Plateosaurus: YDAW Archive (Re-upload + Corrections)
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- / ydaw -- The show began its life on another channel several years ago. Now that we have a channel of our own, we're slowly bringing those episodes over to join our newer ones (with added corrections/updates). Third is Plateosaurus!
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Contents:
00:00 Original Episode
12:17 Addenda
12:29 Paraphyly
13:00 Specific Name
13:39 Vocabulary Clarification
13:59 Antorbital Defenestration
14:15 Teeth
14:31 Neck Posture
14:58 Ornithischia Inclusivity
15:14 Posture & Locomotion
16:30 Those Weird Hands
17:24 Not So Slow
17:45 Toes Pose
18:29 Conclusion
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Sources & Links:
NHM Basel Plateosaurus skull
Ghedoghedo
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Galton, P. M.
(2012)
Case 3560. Plateosaurus engelhardti Meyer, 1837 (Dinosauria, Sauropodomorpha): proposed replacement of unidentifiable name-bearing type by a neotype
Bulletin of Zoological Nomenclature, 69(3), 203-212.
doi.org/10.21805/bzn.v69i3.a15
ICZN
(2019)
Opinion 2435 (Case 3560). Plateosaurus Meyer, 1837 (Dinosauria, Sauropodomorpha): new type species designated.
International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature.
doi.org/10.21805/bzn.v76.a042
Mallison, H.
(2010)
The Digital Plateosaurus I: Body Mass, Mass Distribution and Posture Assessed Using CAD and CAE on a Digitally Mounted Complete Skeleton.
Palaeontologia Electronica Vol. 13, Issue 2; 8A: 26p
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Mallison, H.
(2010)
The digital Plateosaurus II: An assessment of the range of motion of the limbs and vertebral column and of previous reconstructions using a digital skeletal mount
Acta Palaeontologica Polonica.
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Persons IV, W. S., & Currie, P. J.
(2016)
An approach to scoring cursorial limb proportions in carnivorous dinosaurs and an attempt to account for allometry.
Scientific Reports, 6(19828), 1-12.
doi.org/10.1038/srep19828
Taylor, M.P., Wedel, M.J., and Naish, D.
(2009)
Head and neck posture in sauropod dinosaurs inferred from extant animals.
Acta Palaeontologica Polonica 54 (2): 213-220.
doi.org/10.4202/app.2009.0007
Beccari, V., Mateus, O., Wings, O., Milàn, J., & Clemmensen, L. B.
(2021)
Issi saaneq gen. et sp. nov. - A New Sauropodomorph Dinosaur from the Late Triassic (Norian) of Jameson Land, Central East Greenland.
Diversity, 13(11), 561.
doi.org/10.3390/d13110561
Lovelace, D. M., Hartman, S. A., Mathewson, P. D., Linzmeier, B. J., & Porter, W. P.
(2020)
Modeling Dragons: Using linked mechanistic physiological and microclimate models to explore environmental, physiological, and morphological constraints on the early evolution of dinosaurs.
PLOS ONE, 15(5), e0223872.
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Schmitz, L., & Motani, R.
(2011)
Nocturnality in Dinosaurs Inferred from Scleral Ring and Orbit Morphology.
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doi.org/10.1126/science.1200043
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I think I’ll join your patron group later in life.
Keep up the good work.
I'm thinking about joining the patreon soon
Is it possible for educators to purchase the wooden juvenile T. rex skeleton featured on the old channel or a copy of the designs to make their own?
Hey Stephen! Since the Dimetrodon re-upload is next, you should alter the title card to next video with Dinosaurs crossed out and Your Synapsids are Wrong in its place.
It’s actually kind of refreshing to hear the word globalism used in the sense of positive international collaboration instead of in an economic sense or in a euphemistic sus political sense.
Right! I'm so used to it being a Nazi dog whistle these days
that's the only word that i remember from Human Geo lol
He used the wrong word though. As are you. He was describing "globalisation", not "globalism".
@@seaofseeof Globalism is the ideological motivation component. Globalization is the process. It would have perhaps made more sense to say globalization, but both would fit in either context. The main distinction of note is that globalism has an additional negative connotation.
1. An ideology based on the belief that people, goods and information ought to be able to cross national borders unfettered.
Its all sus, but I appreciate your misplaced idealism. Cultural exchange is only as good as we are.
TBF, we would all be better off with friendly science nerds like you. Lol.
I can’t wait to see the dimetrodon reupload. It’s going to be amazing.
“This isn’t a dinosaur” end of episode 😂
I can't wait for my boi apatosaurus
@@iridiumSerpent hahahaha
@@AMNH-5027 Even more than spinosaurus?
**Spinosaurus has entered the chat**
**Spinosaurus is typing...**
I’ve had this incredibly dumb issue since this show first came where I somehow expect the toy to become more accurate to match the 2d graphic. Great as always
Oh my God same!
I would love you to do a longer episode going through the evolution of dinosaurs. I know it would be a massive undertaking but I think your style and delivery would work well for something like that
As someone who decided to research the evolutionary history of the sauropoda, yeah this would be incredibly difficult. I’m only doing one of the three clades and it’s a lot, plus the fact that if you did dinosauria as a whole you would want to include some close relatives like the lagerpetids which makes it all the more difficult.
Antorbital defenestration 😂 god I hope that's actually legitimate terminology for the reduction of the respective fenestrae, since the other meaning is throwing people out of the window. 😅
Anteorbital = situated in front of the eye or orbit
I suspect defenestration is tongue-in-cheek jargon
This will be great, seeing all of the older episodes updated! Simply because we learn more all the time about these critters, there will always need to be updates. And that's a very good thing!
I now have to go see if I've missed any others to this point. 🧐
Thanks, YDAW, for all you do!
❤❤
“Antorbital Defenestration” made me instantly think of someone being thrown out of the ISS’s window, hahaha
I think your presentation style has improved quite a bit. xD
**talks**
*looks at toy*
*silence*
*looks into camera*
"yeah, I gues... thank you for watching."
Early dinosaur hands were so cool.
really loving these reuploads, it honestly pretty interesting to see what corrections are past steven being wrong, which are new science in the time since, and which were just less thorough research compared to recent episodes.
My reaction when I saw the thumbnail and it said 1 hour ago was Augrha from the dark crystal going "YEEEEEeEEeEEEeEEES!"
I need a Plateosaurus t-shirt that says "WHICH WAY TO THE GUN SHOW" now.
I'm so excited for all the updates. Not only is it cool to see you correcting your old work, but it's also great to do to illustrate how our understanding of these animals changed over time!
** rubs hands together enthusiastically**
this might be the best series right now. like the flagship YDAW is glorious, but it's definitely a long-form show that requires months of research and development. these i imagine aren't easy by any means but i think probably more straightforward. love to see them
Good stuff! Wonder if you would ever try reviewing dinosaur models from video games in addition to physical toys :) lots of games out there today, some with very accurate representations of prehistoric life, and some not much better than the oldest and cheapest plastic toys lol
I’d love to hear more about ecology. It’s always my favorite part of the video
It's so great to see this channel updating and showing love to the previously presented genera as well!
RIP Walking With Dinosaur’s Plateosaurus 🪦
That off-hand pun had me giggling 😂 wasn’t expecting it lol
Thank you for giving us these neat updates and corrections to an older episode, I'm looking forward to more!
And about the forelimb supination feature, I couldn't help but think that it might be for protection of the claws, much like an anteater walks on its knuckels so it can keep them sharp, Plateosaurus might have faced its palms up so as not to grind its claws away while resting lol
The sinking in a swamp thoery is similar to the thoery of why many Diamantinasaurus fossils are the mainly legs of large adults. The animals would walk on dry lakebeds or river bars with a dry crust over mud. The large adults would break the crust and sink to their bellies buring the legs in mud and leaving the rest of the animals exposed for the drier season, then whatever is left is covered during the flood.
@7:30
For me it's Trex, brontosaur (et al) and triceratops. Those 3 are the 3 donosaur shapes i grew up with (1990s). Then 'Land before time" meant that I knew about 'duck-beaks' and ankylosaurs (and cousins).
Wait, also stegosaurus
I actually just found you through the other channel! I've only seen one video so far and I have already fallen in love with the show. I'm so glad you are reuploading everything and still going!
Loved the "Your YDAW are wrong" episode (YYDAWAW),
thank you as always for the enjoyable education!
I think in the past in the velociraptor follow up they caled it Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong… Was Wrong or YDAWWW
Discussing the paleo-environment Plateosaurus inhabited (Late Triassic Europe) would certainly be interesting, as both finds at Löwenstein/Trossingen and adjacent sites in Italy and Poland show some interesting animals. It’s nowhere near as diverse and well-understood as the Chinle Formation in North America but on the upside, here in Europe, we actually found early pterosaurs and some of the oldest large dinosaurs in the form of plateosaurs (same in South America). Kind of a weird paradox.
Poland has what might be another large dinosaur in the form of Smok
@@thisisastrobbery363 Smok is a controversial archosaur that has experts stumped, since they can't decide if it's an unusual theropod or some crocodile-line animal like a rauisuchid. It also stems from the same formation as the elephant-sized dicynodont Lisowicia.
Kind of ironic that this series is about pointing out wrongs and then correcting them and with these re-uploads it is basically correcting the corrections
I love that you go over old episodes like that !
It's very much interesting to see what changed !
These videos are great!
I love these episodes, tbh, I always get so excited when I see you post!
Excellent! You spoil us with your updates!
I’m happy you are finally consistently uploading now
Great vid!!
Thanks for the update on this episode; I LOVE Plateosaurus! ❤️
Love these videos
I am glad your updating, I do wish you would put the updated information into the video where it occurs instead of the end
Great work! Yay! You did the thing and it was good!
@16:35 - Those 2013 "pro-therizinosaur" hands. 😆
I'm loving this update series.🦕🥰
Good stuff. Thank you. I really love honestvrevisits and corrections based on best information. You genuine and honest approach is awesome. ❤❤
Can't wait to see "spinosaurus (re-upload + corrections) + corrections + corrections" in a few years
Thanks for the clarifications! Always glad to learn more, and to see you doing your own learning and development.
Great to hear the soothing music too as always.
Like all the other correction video this one was absolutely stunning, and can't wait for more like it :D
But yes, hope y'all have a great day
SUPER NICE
I really loved this series, watched them years ago, and Ive refound this series now amd I love where you have taken it from those early days.
I dont know if you have a schedule for when youre bringing back old videos, but I would love to see you bring back the dimetrodon video to the new style of video.
I think it would be a great opportunity to hijack that episode to discuss the permean and the geography of the permeans that allowed archosaurs to dominate (maybe you could save the last part for an archosaur video, though Im not sure Ive EVER seen a permean archodaur toy)
I just think it would neatly tie some things that you talk about (sprawling gait, thermoregulation) nicely together
And here it is! th-cam.com/video/8Sqqb-u4Mho/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=YourDinosaursAreWrong
It’s been quite since I heard this name, I first learned about plateosaurus from an old Collier’s and that Disney TV show episode with Burgess Meredith.
Whenever there is a reupload I miss the stylish toy presentation
Awesome
Ankylosaurs and many other Ornithischians don't have antorbita fenestra as well.
these update videos are great, because some of these videos are so old, our understanding of these dinosaurs have radically changed. You know I'm really excited to see when you cover spinosaurus again. Just because I am very curious whether or not it will still be bipedal or if we will be back to quadrupedal again. The most recent paper I read on the subject you had some solid evidence for bipedalism, and that is after we had really solid evidence of it being quadrupedal. And then there's its tail, and let's not even get started on the absolute mess that is everything else about that bloody dinosaur. If there was ever an argument for needing to Jurassic Park at dinosaur back into existence, it is spinosaurus. Because that thing makes no sense and I refuse to accept any version of the science we produce with it as being anything other than the current fever dream of the universe as nature messes with us.
The theri new update will be great
And don't forget the Spino the longest mystery of paleontology
true character development.
Steven hasn't changed much. 😊
Man, I miss the original intro song
The person who named Plateosaurus, didn't specify what Plateosaurus meant. Logically it would mean "flat lizard", but he just wanted to call it Plateosaurus.
Broad reptile is probably the best.
Would love to see the revised parasaurolophus episode
That should be in 4 re-uploads time.
18:00 Not a dew claw, but similar to the split bones in a horse.
It would probably be a nightmare to make with all the new studies and reconstructions but I'd love a spinosaurus YDAW reupload/correction
That should be in 13 re-uploads time, after _Triceratops_
Alright, now I need to know what a running Plateosaurus looked like.
If I were a billionaire, I would fund any and all research required to get that information... Because right now, the image I have in my head is that it looked like a drunk person running, while also wearing a dinosaur mascot costume.
Who else remembers when the term prosauropods was used?
It would have been interesting a Plateosaurus episode commenting on the WWD design, it's one of my favourites in the whole documentary and I'm curious on how long of a shot its reconstruction was.
Accurate for the time but is now way out of date. Plateosaurus was definitely not quadrupedal. Herds? Possible. But who knows what sort of herds. Also, they're known from Europe and not the Americas.
Have you done a video about Cryolophasaurus and Monolophasaurus yet?
Steven aged like fine wine. What a gorgeous man!
THIS WAS A MONTH AGO? I swear it was just last week, I have a horrible grasp on time
Six months now ._.
Pog champ
8:55 Quick question: may I say that Therizinosaurus (which is a weird Theropoda) converged to have a "similar" structure as the Plateosaurus? Not quite similar, but maybe the function would be broadly speaking similar?
next is the dino that isn't a dino
Has anyone done a really good Plateosaurus toy recently? With all the updates it seems like we'd have one but it's not one of the big 5 so it's much harder to find.
What are the chances that we get a YDAW for film depictions?
I'm personally SUPER interested in hearing about some of the... choices... that were made for the dino's in 65. Some of them look plausible enough based on what I learn from channels like YDAW, Raptor Chatter and Paleo Analysis... but some of the others seem REAALLY wrong.
Like... I'm sure they took some creative license because we're pretty certain the fossil record is incomplete so not everything is going to be a big famous T-rex or whatever... but the bizzaro panther things with hips that stick out from the torso by a torso width look really janky. Were there creatures with features like that or is it as crazy as it looks?
Spinosaurus reupload when?
Review troodon pls
I think it'd be really useful if future reuploads had the corrections stitched into the original video replacing what was originally wrong. Means you don't have to mentally keep ahold of all the information to quickly re-edit it and also, if you didn't see the original, you just get to watch what feels like a normal episode.
Going to keep commenting on these new updates until either Stephen replies or we get Carnotaurus again. Paleontologist Kevin Padian put out a theory last year that T rex had such short arms as a result of selection pressure from feeding frenzies. That is to say if you have 3 T-Rex's eating from the same carcass and one gets a little too close to another's liking it an arm could easily get bitten off if it were in the way.
Based on that premise, could this be applied to Carnotaurus? It had an incredibly broad mouth and vestigial arms far beyond the level of T-Rex almost facing backwards. I feel like the body proportions there would allow for them to rip prey apart in frenzies with little to no risk of getting inadvertently bitten.
Synapisode please!
Spino re-upload when? c:
That's re-upload #17, of course. I'm assuming the re-uploads are in the same order as uploads, the sensible order.
You were younger and angrier then, sticking it to The Man on their neo-nomenclature. 😅
Italian Stallion
So, your dinosaurs were still wrong.
I'm somewhat early!
This is sorta unrelated, but I swear I remember him mentioning in a video a paleontologist (I wanna say Barnum Brown) using his coat to try and prevent some bones from falling apart when they were removed from sediment, but I can't for the life of me find the video. Does anyone remember which one it was? (if he really said that at all, this could be a figment of my imagination lol)
Iguanadon and the Mons fossils
@@AndrewTBP THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Hi
Steven Sassyosaurus
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It always seems far too front heavy
There is a dirty joke here, but I will leave it to your imagination.
The nerd sniping this channel did to me this past week is ridiculous
Have you done a video about Cryolophasaurus and Monolophasaurus yet?