We Shouldn't Talk About Spinosaurus (But We're Going To Do It Anyway!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ธ.ค. 2023
- I was warned that Spinosauridae is too controversial to discuss; to talk about Spinosaurus and its relatives is like walking into a hive of killer bees while dressed like a honey badger. Well, we're doing it anyway! Buckle up, it's fight time!
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A recent study has shown that spinosaurs venom is actually just a lethal dose of salt.
It all makes sense!
Could be box jelly toxin.
Idk if that’s a real paper but that sounds hilarious
It's not, it's a joke about the who would win books. @@sperenox
@@heyy13 ahh, Thank you! Still funny tho, but now I can get context
The giddy way he encouraged everyone to argue pointlessly made me smile.
Absolutely! The degree of saccharine sarcasm was absurdly surreal art. "Awesome, yet ANOTHER immaturely physical clash over a point two-year-olds wouldn't whine about? Let me get the popcorn before my esteemed colleagues get too far into it!"
Lol ya
@@KhyranleanderIt's not all his fault. Spinosaurus is a touchy subject in dino science. Lots of fights have taken place on that topic. Lots of fights.
Spinosauridae makes educated professionals act like fifteen-year-olds in a videogame fandom fighting over which two fictional characters are in love. Something something human nature, I guess.
Clint is an agent of tzeentch confirmed..
The Spinosaurus' spines were actually in a helicopter blade orientation, which spun around and allowed the Spinosaurus to fly. It could hunt on land, sea and air. This paired with its venom made it the ultimate predator.
I read a paper that said they would spit their venom while airborne to blind potential prey
Don’t forget they had a spine fin used like a rudder to control their direction in the air
Good one, but not as impossible as you may think. Are you familiar with the Bacterial Flagular motor (spelling?) Nature is smarter than we are. Dr. Richard Dawkins wrote about it.
In addition a recent discovery shows that Spinosaurus had ejectable claws which it could fire at rapid speeds akin to a machine gun.
felt like this is something japan would do like monster hunter
“Please keep you fighting as petty and pointless as possible” honestly, this is what biology teachers should ask to start chaos instead of “is water wet”
Ask theoretical physicists to explain time and watch chaos ensue.
Pluto is a planet. 😂
Ice is a mineral, which means water is lava, which means geysirs are vulcanos. I rest my case
Is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour?
@@JohnJ469 A half hour is the whole thing for you?
New paleontologist: “It’s all baryonyx?….”
Some veteran paleontologist with ptsd from decades of debate: “Always has been.”
Agreeable
I disagree
bro theres still debate even bown here
"Always has been -chukchuk-" is one of my favorite memes
Well, it's an evolutionary tendency toward water over millions of years, likely because of the surplus of food in water and the competition on land. Like many land animals that adapted toward the water later in their evolution (like whales), its body grew and its legs did not, fusing his hip inside the fleshy part of abdomen. These types of specializations are subject to convergent evolution.
Spinosaurus is one of the best examples on how science works. Controversy is good, it means there are more things to find out. It means the field is a lively one.
It was so hard to explain to people that any science you can’t question is no longer science, because the first thing you do in science is question what already exists
@@kyze8284 This! It's not science anymore it's just fact..just how it is. If I said grass is grass, that isn't science..no one would congratulate me on my scientific statement..
You could have told the archeologists and their funders
In a way, the Bone Wars continue (just to a lesser extent)
@@testerwulf3357didn’t know grass was green amazing scientific discovery
"A damaged skull is better than a pocket full of teeth."
~ Clint Laidlaw
Sounds like something Raylan would say on “Justified.”
@@grahamstrouse1165 I still remember the next one's coming faster line to Duffy. 😅
Not in a game of Aussie Rules, it's a bother playing on with yah teeth in a glass of milk after a look around the teeth are found , you skull, wrapped up with a bandage , not a good week coming up
I'm sorry, but knowing that there is a dinosaur called "Irritator" is got to be one of the best random things I learned from Dinosaur December.
the only reason I know about him is because of the Jurassic world p2w mobile game.
Same@@D3m0-1n64Toz
@@D3m0-1n64Toz wait which one?
It is now my new favorite dinosaur
@@gunner_melon445 It was found in Brazil and it annoyed the scientists so much they named it that, I love it
What a lovely video on spinosaurs! Unfortunate that all this info will probably be revised in like 2 weeks lol
Wonder if any betting parlers will take those odds
2 seconds
in 10 years spinosaurus will just be a big pelican with 1 wing (the sail) instead of what we think of today
@@sharkestry1119 taking notes
Just a chance for more spinosaurus videos :D
This video almost felt more like a mental breakdown than anything else.
Frightening, dangerous, explosively emotional yet ultimately cathartic and freeing?
It makes more sense than that former coworker of mine who used to tell me stuff like dinosaurs lived in the Garden of Eden and nobody was a carnivore. I guess we know now why Spinosaurus has that long face full of teeth. All the better to pick fruit off the trees.
And the repeated scenes from the Turkish parliament 😆
Honestly, that's what spinosaur research is like. The more digging you do, the more the entire field feels like scientists having a mental breakdown over the limited information we have on these damn things. They're SO cool, and we have JUST enough to keep everyone looking and discovering things... but not enough to settle the debates. So every time we DO discover something new, it spawns a dozen points to argue and raises more questions than it answers.
@@martinmalicus3987I was wondering where that clip was from. Nice to see parliaments in other countries get as wild as ours in South Africa.
This is why Carnotaurus is still my favorite to this day. One pristine specimen. Epic horns. Tiny arms. Armored skin. No feathers. No quills. Just a genuinely epic beast.
*slaps roof of Carno*
This bad boy will eat your whole neighborhood
The only way that feathers would be acceptable on Carno would be if they had massive peacock feathers on their stubby arms that swing back and forth for display
@@WooporI’m gonna draw that
@@IMADINOSAURNOTABIRD Following so I can see this masterpiece
@@pantsuchan968 oh sh yeah I forgot
“Please keep your fighting as petty and pointless as possible down in the comments.”
You really are the best Clint.
You could almost make this a yearly tradition. It’ll need a whole new phylogeny by next year.
The Year In Spinosaurids
y e s
The more contested the better!
Weekly*
Forget birthdays, we can have birth spinosaurus’
“Oh you were born in bipedal spinosaur? Well you’ve aged like wine!”
Thank you so much for watching this video. Please remember to keep your comments as petty and pointless as possible. These are spinosaurids, if we aren't here to fight, then what was the point?
Hey Clint Laidlaw, Why don't you get to think of a suggestion and creating a TH-cam Videos all about the🦅🦉Birds Of Prey Group🦅🦉(Raptors) on the next Clint's Reptiles on the next Saturday coming up next?!⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👍👍👍👍👍
pls do the the family of alvezsauridae(they are dinosaurs)
i belive spinosaurus was a large species of tentecaled, 10-legged solenodon that lived above the stratosphere and went extinct because a wild Dāv Kaufman fell right into there population.
hey clint, i noticed at 10:35 you spelled "baryonyx" as "baryonix"
Almost as funny as spinofaarus
“Discovered is a strong word” made me chuckle 🤭
I love how your friend was like "Don't get involved" and you went "How can i stir the pot a little more? I know, i'll throw shade at the whole group for their naming choices" and i respect you for this.
The "even if the name is dumb" was 100% coming from the pure honesty of an inner child 😂
He forgot to mention with the exception of Trex. It was named something else first though I do not remember what and since everyone knew Trex but not the other name they made an exception if I remember correctly
Look no further than Basilosaurus "King lizard" which is a WHALE and a MAMMAL and NOT reptile but even if stupidly inaccurate the older name stays which is RIDICULOUS
@@Dinoman-mo7mt There are a handful of exceptions. It's totally a thing that occasionally, they really do just go "yeah, no" and call it what they want instead of following the rule.
0:51 Yep... That was me... I warned him. 👀🤚
I mean, few biologists would believe the sheer amount of petty fighting over a single clade of theropods, but due to history and fragile bones we are left with endless hearsay and speculation / Specula!
@@kyokyodisaster4842taxonomy fights can be absolutely brutal. I've seen friendships end over disagreements among botanists, and that's when we have living specimens available!
I will never understand people who are upset that Spino isn't like the Jurassic Park 3 version. What we have now is so unique and beautiful, like a therapod leviathan!
Because they want a monster instead of a unique water dragon.
Its from the group of people who want everything to be like Jurassic Park.
Planet Dinosaur's representation is my favorite, sure it's closer to the JP3 spino, but i still love it for what it is. However, I do prefer the current spinosaurus over the JP3 one.
I'll always fondly remember someone in my class saying "At least, Spinosaurus didn't have feathers" and just being like "...Oh..."
I always thought that spino from jw3 just looked that way because they used Trex genome to fill the missing parts in spino. Like in that time we thought spino looked like on jw3 so in that world it would be logical
@@sawomirpastor7140 no one knew what Spino looked like and it was presumed it would look like most Therapods, or the only real Spino-relative they had at the time.
Basically, they wanted to use the only other relative we knew relatively how it looked and went with that. But the dinosaur they based it upon is in another branch of the Spino-family tree. So they were off by a lot.
Edit:
Saying that, remember back then we didn't have much to work with. The Spino family is sparce at best.
Spinosaurids are like the abstract paintings of the dinosaur world.
I would like to say in the defence of Ceratosuchops that while the name of the genus is not particularly inspired, the type species name is Inferidios, which means THE HELL HERON.
(I used to teach field science on the south coast of England, including briefly on the Isle of Wight where Riparovenator and Ceratosuchops were found!)
Hell Heron! Nay, must be the Hell Crane! ;)
@@eliscanfield3913 Hell buzzard...no actually not that not that....Hellstork....
@@williamcozart8158 Stork maybe, but buzzards don't resemble the others at all!
@@williamcozart8158 Azhdarchids kind of own that description already.
Irritator challengeri has entered the chat
The salt references and repeated nods to the "Who Would Win" books had me laughing out loud. You are a brilliant science communicator, brother Happy and healthy new year to you.
The refrences are in fact very salt
This is why I respect Clint regarding biology.
spinosaurus was a land and water killing machine! i know coz i saw a recent documentary, i think its called jurassic park 3, i'll need to check tho
@@tomcross3000 and it can kill t. rex! 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
@@bhuggins6059 YeaH FuLly! 😂my 2009 prehIStoRiC batTlE sHOw litrely sayz so!
The pure amount of salt and shade in this video really made me laugh so many times. 😂 I just love the sense of humor this channel has.
that moment of the salt, won me as a subscriber
Spinosauridae will always be my favorite family of theropods. The crocodilian snout and even the sail found in spinosaurus itself and also ichthyovenator, just everything about them is so majestic and mysterious.
Excellent and very in-depth video! Also 25:19 thanks for featuring and crediting a bunch of my Wikipedia artwork! Makes me happy seeing my illustrations used to educate peeps on these wonderful critters I'm super fond of! :)
Your art makes me feel so excited about these dinos! I love how current-day paleo artists seem to take more inspiration from the patterning/colouring of living animals in their illustrations. I feel like paleo art has come such a long way in terms of how "life-like" depictions of these creatures have become, and that's so cool to see 😄
I've gotta say, the guy at 30:14 kinda looks like it could be in some ancient, paleontological glossy magazine ad for fancy whiskey, or super expensive cigars - you know, the kind where there's a chiselled, insultingly handsome and immaculately groomed dude (or dinosaur) relaxing on his yacht, or leaning against a Ferrari at sunset, giving the camera a bit of side-eye with a little smirk that's _juuusst_ smug enough to say, "Don't you wish you were as smooth as me? Buy absurdly expensive whiskey!"
@@eyetooth Thank you so much! I'm definitely super happy with the colour patterns I ended up with. I worked closely with a friend of mine who is a zookeeper and conservationist and he provided loads of great references of modern animals with interesting patterning that I took inspiration from. Was fun giving each spinosaurid a unique and vibrant yet plausible look. 😁
My mum is a paleontologist and she studied the irritator! Awesome to see it in a video!!
Wow! You are one lucky person to have family that takes on the best yet most controversial science!
Is it hard to do paleontology with boxing gloves ?
@@orthiaclamedesang1797
I expect it's *_really_* irritating...
I'm so jealous I wish I had a paleontologist mom
Sorry, but studying her own husband doesn't count.
I love Clint's gradual decent into madness trying to discuss this phylogeny
Got this in my recommended, the Spino family contains most of my top five favorite prehistoric creatures, and I’m so glad someone is finally talking about how confusing it’s family can be! I’m currently looking to become a Paleontologist, and this video just made my night, thank you!
YOU DID IT!!! My favorite family of dinosaurs! Spinosaurus specifically is my number one favorite! Not just because it could be the longest theropod or how it looks, but the HISTORY behind it. Those grueling hours of meticulous note-taking upon its discovery and repairs it underwent after its messy delivery to Berlin. It's a testimate to Dr. Stromer's dedication to his work and magnifies the tragedy of its destruction during WWII. Thank you so much for your work on this video!!
Another great person with an EXCELLENT taste!
Man I like the face Clint went into this topic as like thinking " How hard could it be ?"
And the suffering and confusion on his face becomes visible when he just hit the Baryonychinae
The Spino family confusing a dino lover successfully once again
Edit: Clint skipped the most funny fact and relatable fact about Irritator, its species name for the type fossil
Irritator Challengeri, the scientist who named the fossil really channeled all of his frustration onto the name
best name
2 days later:
"Turns out it had webbed fingers!"
*sound of paleotologists smashing tables*
To be honest, spinosaurus is one of my favorite dinosaurs and hearing this absolute mess is just making me love them more. Go, chaos gremlins, go!
I know it's highly unlikely, but I've always liked the idea that the reason why we have two or more seemingly identical species, minus a few features, is because we're looking at some sexual dimorphism. Sigilmasasaurus and Spinosaurus could be just male and females of the same species.
Like I said I know it's unlikely but I've always liked the idea
that's actually a pretty cool hypothesis, man... thank you!!!
Imagine what a mind-shattering revelation this must be if we somehow verify its authenticity
mind blown
Or it could be two chrono species. with age reading errors half a million to 2 millions margin could span huge morphologic differences. I mean, look how different we are from hominid specimens from 200k to 500k years ago, even more 1 to 2 million years ago.
There is also a huge debate werevwe need to start thinking some smaller species are actually just babies of another.
Angaturama has extreme "this is just a full grown irritator" vibes.
I love knowing my spinosaurus tattoo will one day be proven incorrect. The spinosaurus and the rest of Spinosauridae are the gifts that keep on giving.
Get a new revised tattoo under the first one every time the facts are updated.
You’re such a joy to watch! Please keep making whatever videos you want to, whatever it takes for us to keep seeing you happy and passionate and smiling! Hope you’re having a good start to the year
Did love people complaining that new research showing Spinosaurus couldn't swim (because their bones are too dense) makes them less impressive…
Not realizing that Hippos can’t swim but move fast in bodies of water and still kill hundreds of people In a year.
I now think of them as giant carnivorous hippo crocodiles….
Those who say its too heavy....
...Tell them...
....Blue Whales.
I mean, if the spines were humps not sailed, they might actually have been incredibly buoyant, thus making them way more terrifying by being hippo crocodiles that CAN swim...
@@theapexsurvivor9538 The other issue is, they would have not just the size, but blk and weight behind them like a hippo.
That would make them more scary as the hippo is more dangerous then a lion
As someone whose favorite dinosaur is Spinosaurus I wish they were spoken about more. Their completely unique appearance and mystery surrounding their origin and family tree is so interesting. I’m excited to see what more the community discovers about them.
"I wish they were spoken about more" I know what you mean but trust me he occupies every paleontologists head rent free 365 days a year.
The spinosaur saga truly is the best ongoing series of our time.
Spinosaurids are my favorite dinosaurs and I'm so hyped to see you cover the clusterfuck they are. Every single time I see a big video on them, something has been discovered or disproven to make it completely different from the last iteration I saw. It's great! I can't wait to see what we think it looked like (for real this time) in like ten years!
Man I'm just now finding your page and I must say I really enjoy the way you present your videos. Very fun to watch!!
Keep up the good work.
I’m always looking forward to a new dinosaur phylogeny video from you, these videos are amazing and it’s hard to find good info like this in such a well put and fun to understand way
Clint should play Ark: Survival Evolved and react to the scientific accuracy of the various prehistoric creatures featured in it in between fleeing from them in terror. I want to see both of these things.
I want to see his reaction when he comes too close to the tickle chicken now XD
altho ark isnt aiming for accuracy at all. i would also love to see this
@@theflyingdutchguy9870 that's part of the reason I want to see it, haha. Him talking about the spinosaurus possibly being quadrapedal is what made me think of it though. With Ark having the quadrapedal and bipedal "modes" for the spinosaurus.
@@lamborn3D thats interesting. i didnt know that. havent payed attention to ark for years.
I want to see him play Prehistoric Kingdom 😃
It's still in Early Access though and will probably take a few more Years to be finished.
Also got Spinosaurus in the newest Update 😃
Really appreciate that they always try to make their Animals as accurate as possible (which is also one of the Reasons that the Developement takes that long)
I just gotta say. You have a absolute way of making these dino facts videos fun and exciting, and easy to understand. I usually struggle to sit through anything that isnt 15min or less but i didnt even notice 38min fly by like nothing. Happy new years!
Clint, I’ve been following u the last month, recently discovered you, you have a freakishly calming voice to listen too, I rly enjoy your topics and videos, thank you and I wish you and your family a wonderfull newyear, greatings from Finland ! ^^
Edit: rad fan on patrion now 💪🏻 thank you and I hope I can enjoy your educations for a long time
love all the comedy in this video and so much shade thrown at spino researchers lol.
I usually watched your stuff about reptiles and other animals living today, but man, did you just reawake my inner dino-freak. Wanted to become a "dino digger" when I was a kid, and your giddy nerdiness is just making me so, so happy right now...I'm in full dino mode now!
you are gorgeous and i love your new silver hairs. some days i just really appreciate your vids more than others to energise me. this is one such moment. my good friend's dog died, he was almost 14 and a loveable butter-beagle. so i'm in a delicate place and needed your help. thankyou for giving it :)
Very happy to learn that my favorite dinosaur family is also the bane of most archaeologists. I wouldn’t ask you to commit to something as cursed as this but I’d love to see yearly check ins with the more uncertain phylums to see how much they shift.
Could we just take a moment to also acknowledge that there is a Daemonosaurus (in the evolutionary tree that is at 1:40) and it was about a size of a dog? A tiny friend with a mean name.
Have you ever met a chihuahua?
Daemonosaurus, perfect name for a Chihuahua. 🤣
Forget the salt, if Clint threw any more shade, there'd be an eclipse...
Kudos for taking this on
Just found this video and I absolutely love your vibe, if that makes sense. You remind me of a science teacher I had who really loved his work, and was really cool!
Next shirt should be "a damaged skull is a heck of a lot better than a pocket full of teeth."
Clint, Dinosaurs have/had a sense of humor.
I once knew a Macaw who would greet people with the phrase "Rub my head" and when someone reached out to comply, the Macaw would chomp that hand or finger followed by saying "Bad Bird"
I have a Quaker who earned the name Tickels. Tickels will say "Tickels" and if anyone reaches out to the bird, Tickels will chomp the finger. The bird loves pulling this joke on people.
So, in the original Jurassic Park movie, when the T-Rex knocks down the building and eats the cowering Layer, that was right out of a dino joke book.
I really appreciate your poetry this morning; it felt like you were channeling your inner Dr Seuss!
As someone who has never been particularly interested in dinosaurs, your energy is infectious! I love these niche headache causing debates in highly specialized fields, I understand nothing but they sure are entertaining.
Clint you are an absolute delight, and your unbridled passion, enthusiasm, and zest for life truly bring me so much joy. Thank you for sharing this with the world.
That hint of maddness, encouraging your viewers to spread academia in fighting is amazing. Heated spino arguments warm my heart.
Yeeesssss my absolute FAVORITE group of dinosaurs
Clint is just the best. His enthusiasm always brings a smile to my face.
I’m so happy your videos are getting so many views, you deserve them, Bless
With a nasal cavity halfway up the jaw, perhaps an ambush hunter?
Manospondylus gigas was the original name for T. rex. I think we'd have to do the same thing for the sucho. Suchomimus is just a cooler name and its become so popular under that name. We can protect it!!!
nomen protectum (plural nomina conservanda)
(taxonomy) A name that has been protected by the International Commission for Zoological Nomenclature and is valid to be used although it is known it does not comply with the requirements of the International Code for Zoological Nomenclature
was looking for this comment!
@@aharttsx8019so was I
Ok, but M. gigas got trashed not because it wasn't cool enough but because it sounds dirty. You need a better reason for a nomen protectum than "it's cooler".
Suchomimus could get put onto Siamasaurus, because in addition to being dumb that name is just a bit cringe. Or Spinosauridae could get renamed Suchomimidae, since it would be a better description of the clade's distinctive feature. They're all croc mimics, not just that genus.
"please keep your arguments as petty and pointless as possible" this is only the second video I've seen from this channel and I'm in love with it!
So glad your video popped up in my recommended videos. That was a very fun and interesting video about Spinosaurus.
This was a great video on Spinosaurus! ❤ I think you did a great job on presenting what is “known” as well as the different sides to the different arguments. The way you presented the information really helped understand the full picture of how disarrayed the Spinosaurus family is. It’s what you would see if the National Lampoon’s Family did Paleontology; which would be another great movie for their collection 😂
Like Tommy Lee Jones’ character, K, said on MIB, “ thousand years ago, everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, they knew the Earth was flat. Fifteen minutes ago, you knew we humans were alone on it. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.” 🦖🦕
In a nutshell
Everything is absolute nightmare fuel to talk about Spinosauridae
Your whole attitude during this video is extremely funny and contagious, got me to sub
Hey Clint,
Never seen one f your videos but we all remember JP3 and had to click.
Was having a pretty crap day but your personality and humor just let my mind drift away from it, finding peace in the discussion for a bit.
Just appreciate you man, got my sub!
Cheers 🥂
Clint, thank you for your passion in creating these videos. You are one of the most enthusiastic and easy-to-follow educators I’ve encountered, and your students are privileged to have you. It’s always a treat getting a notification from the channel🎉
15:02 i was laughing while watching clint get heated over dinosaur names lol
This is a really fun video. Your passion for your field really shows.
I enjoy these vids so much! I would love a vid about the different ceratopcians.🙌🏽
This one is so much fun and your giddy delight at the lack of firm knowledge and the required arguments was a joy to behold. I've been giggling out loud the entire time. Thank you.
Hi Clint! I’m only 7.5 minutes in so far but I’m very much enjoying it, and it even made me learn something about something that wasn’t even a spinosaurid.
You showed a dilophosaurus skeleton to compare the conical teeth of a spinosaurus with, which made me go looking into a dilophosaurus diet. This is because I used to work at a state park with footprints we commonly attributed to something dilophosaurus-like, so we learned a lot about them. I’d always heard that they were likely fish eaters, because of the same spoon-like jaw morphology you mention in reference to spinosaurids at 7:30. So why the knife-like teeth?
At least according to the minor rabbit hole I went down, they apparently had a fairly reinforced skull, actually, and a pretty strong bite, similar to crocodilians. Some even suggest they attacked prosauropods and might have been the apex predator of their environment. Which is news to me, and fascinating! So thanks! Now for the rest of the video.
And if you’re looking for a video idea, Dilophosaurus is right there…
Baryonyx and most of that subfamily also has curved, more knife like teeth as opposed to the cone shaped straight teeth like Spinosaurus.
Every dino was forced to be as big as possible with as many sharp teeth as could fit into their mouth. Or if they didnt have sharp teeth they bad to be massive. Or if they werent massive they had spikes or armor. Nature was having a bad day and wanted to watch chaos for a while
Spinosaurids are in my list of favourite dinosaurs, so I'm glad you made this video! Also, I did not know about all these other spinosaurids, I only knew five!
What a fantastic last video of the year! Spinosaurids are as interesting as they are infuriating as a group, they're just awesome! A couple of things I want to point out, however:
- At 16:13 you mention how older scientific names always take priority, which isn't always the case. Tyrannosaurus rex is a very good example of this; if the older names always take priority we should all be calling this animal either Dynamosaurus imperiosus or Manospondylus gigas, however they are considered nomen oblitum ("forgotten" names), while Tyrannosaurus rex is a nomen protectum (a "protected", preferred name). Not arguing that you're wrong, just pointing out an interesting exception to the rule.
- More of a personal opinion thing than a note, but while I do agree spinosaurid genus names tend to be very bland and uninspired in terms of meaning they are nonetheless one of the groups of dinosaurs with the most consistently pleasant or cool sounding names if we disregard etymology for a moment. Sigilmassasaurus, Icthyovenator and Cristatusaurus are all great examples of this. Again, might be just me and my opinion but then again, isn't discussing spinosaurids in general mostly opinion-based anyway? Cheers to a new year, may we have a 2024 of as many new spinosaurid discoveries as new mysteries shrouding them them are sure to follow!
I would say that long claw would be for gutting prey since their jaw is not made for crushing. They would need another way to kill prey since holding on isn't really and option. It would be logical that they would use claws to help end things quickly, even with fish.
Or even just holding slippery prey, I legit use thumb forefinger and middle to hold things and use the ring and pinky as feelers in case it slips, unless it really heavy then all 5 are engaged
They could have used the back of the dentary and maxillary sets of teeth to hold, and the claws to disembowel.
That seems unlikely just because they have adaptations that specifically help to swallow their prey whole. The whole pelican mouth thing they discovered earlier this year.
Fighting between males is probably the best candidate to my mind.
@@sampagano205 I hadn't heard anything about that.
I'm not so sure. It already has venom and the extended jaw/neck to reach things with, it wouldn't make sense for it to also cut things apart with its arms.
I have an alternate idea. What if the claws are used to spar against rival males? Two Spinosaurs could walk up, size up eachother's sails, and then if they don't back down then they could potentially rear up to look bigger before swiping at eachother with the claws. We know modern birds can have pretty elaborate mating rituals, and it wouldn't make sense for animals to poison eachother in a sparring match because of how dangerous that tends to be. So maybe this is an evolutionary way for them to stay territorial and fight other males while also being less likely to outright kill eachother? It would also lessen the chance of damaging their skulls and teeth, which are more necessary for hunting.
As for the actual hunts, I'm imagining them being more like a mix of crocodile and wading bird, gently floating along until it's time to duck their head underwater. It's weird, but that does make a lot of sense to me. If the venom thing is real then that could help them get around not having something like a Death Roll to kill prey. It's hard to really 'death roll' when you have a big back sail, right?
Love all the 🧂! The problem with spinosaurus is not that uncommon with figuring out when a new dinosaur has been discovered in general: is this a new piece of a puzzle we've already started or a new puzzle all together. I love the new T-shirt design. Happy Dino December to me! 🧩
"Older names ALWAYS have priority!"
Well, we already had an exception for Scrotum humanum, so maybe there's hope.
We also had an exeption for Manospondylus gigas.
This video is an absolute hoot! Hilarious and very informative! Love it!❤️❤️❤️
As a devoted Spinosaur fan, I love all the discoveries about them! I started when I first watched Jurassic Park 3 (Which is still one of my favorite movies). I eventually watched some documentaries, and was amazed on how different it was from other dinosaurs! I am DEFINITELY not one of the people who say “tHiS iS rUiNiNg DiNoSaUrS!!!1!” The modern Spinosaurus reconstructions really show just how different dinosaurs can be. I will always be open to new discoveries, and will always be a Spinosaurus fan. (Also I don’t care if spino loses against T. rex, it’s a fight that is biased)
Pull T rex into the water and see how he does
@maryeckel9682 Hey didn't you know a Spino can snap a TRexs neck? It's in that Documentary about that park that had dinosaurs.
Spino beats Trex it has been proven
In the words of Alan Grant, the dinosaurs of Jurassic Park were genetically modified, theme park monsters. But that never meant these creatures couldn't capture our imaginations. Dinosaurs have reached an incredible point in human culture that they can be studied as real animals, and mythologized as reptilian monsters, and captivate audiences either way.
Let's see either of 'em win against the ultimate lifeform, the microbe. For the purposes of this fight, I would like viruses to be included as microbes, despite their contested status as "lifeforms".
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I like that Clint went with education over opinions with this video. I personally refuse to believe anyone that discourages the pursuit of knowledge to be a subject matter expert. It's so disappointing to see scientists telling people to not teach, learn or discuss something like spinosaurus due to the controversy since its discovery. The more people study and discuss topics, the more we all learn. Thank you Clint for doing the right thing for science.
I've really been loving all your content as I binge watch your videos. I was wondering if you've thought of reviewing dinosaurs in video games.
Obviously, some look great and accurate, while others...not so much. Perhaps analyzing, not just appearance, but movement/animation, vocals (maybe), and run a 'who would win' if the dinosaurs can fight each other in-game could be a thing?
I haven't been able to find anything for my favorite dinosaur game, Path of Titans, and nothing very detailed about other games either.
Hopefully, this is something that interests you.
OK, this is the BEST phylogeny vid yet--absolute joy.♥
They gotta bust out Nomen Protectum to save Suchomimus from becoming Cristatusaurus and Baryonyx from becoming Suchosaurus
Spinosaurus has always been one of my favorites. And after watching this I love it even more hahahaha. This was so fun to watch!
Despite how contentious the content here is, this might be one of my favorite videos you've done.
Edit: You pretty much answered my question later in the video 😂
I noticed that the shape of Spinosaurus was also unusual in that some of the teeth in the upper jaw were very small and the bone almost appeared curved so it could fit tightly with the front of the lower jaw (which also seemed curved in the opposite direction). Was this because of its semi-aquatic nature or for some other reason?
Awesome animation showing the bite. Really drives home the dragon croc concept.
5 minutes and I can't even count how many "I've made a video about it" pop-ups came up. That is one extensive back-log.
16:14 I really felt that "even if the older name is a dumb name"
I just tamed a Spinosaurus in Ark. Manages to keep up with my two Rexes. I’m a happy camper. Always surprised how many prehistoric animals and dinosaurs they packed into this game.
Spinosaurus surprisingly do very well in water in Ark lol
Like, you can dive with them (within limits)!
Yeah, but the craziest part is just how creative ark is with it. The prehistoric creatures are extremely unique and pretty much just genetically engineered monsters with insane, super out there designs, abilities, and behaviors. AND they still add awesome lore mixed with so many cool fantasy creatures.
Thank you for another fantastic DinoCember and for the wonderful content you make for us all year long!
I hope that everyone has a happy/safe weekend -and we will meet back here again next year!!❤
You have to xposed the lunacy of us humans. You have kept my rapt interest through the entire talk, and I have LAUGHED OUT LOUD several times. Without even noticing, I feel certain I will retain a solid comprehension of this entire mysterious & confusing group. So poignant a yearning to know, to understand.
Thank you so much; you are helping create a generation of very curious people!
Thank you for covering such topic. Science communicators usually give lay people the impression that science is knowledgeable about everything and that's it mostly sure about most things. This video is very informative about how science happens and how it proceeds when information is scarce.
And I had no idea we knew about so many (or not) species of Spinosaurids, because every channel who talked about Spinosaurids only discussed if Spinosaurus could float or not, bipedal or quadrupedal, etc etc.
maybe the real Spinosaurids are the friends we made along the way
Hey, a few things I thought I should mentioned:
1. It actually has now been proven that Spinosaurus was an Obligate Biped. It's wrists were far too weak to support it's massive weight, and the discovery of the tail put it's centre of mass far enough back that it didn't need to walk on all fours. Spinos never skip leg day.
2. Only Spinosaurus itself is actually being considered for semi-aquatic classification. The rest would have had some variation of placing open jaws in the water and waiting.
3. I have no idea how you neglected to talk about the very clear pitting along their jaws, a sign that this entire family may have had some sort of pressure detection system. Literally dinosaurs with a sixth sense.
4. The whole Irritator thing rests upon us finding a way to determine if Irritator is in fact a juvenile.
5. That 15m size actually came from a known juvenile. Estimates for adult Spinosaurus leave even the likes of the dubious Sigilmassasaurus in the dust, after all, one of its nicknames is 60ft river monster. Yes, adult Spinosaurus are believed to be 18m, and weight estimates go from 11-21 tons.
6. I'm surprised you didn't mention the whole aegyptiacus vs maroccanus thing considering how much you wanted petty arguments in the video. If you're wondering, basically, because the original fossil was found in Egypt and then lost (more later), and then the second was found in Morocco, no one can agree on if there's one of two species of Spinosaurus. (Not even the first time either, Stromer thought for a hot minute he'd found two species of Spinosaurus and designated them as A and B until he realised they were two different species)
7. The whole petty arguments thing is actually why the original Spinosaurus was destroyed. The story goes that Ernst Stromer, who named the fossil Spinosaurus, didn't exactly like the failed failed Austrian painter running Germany during World War II. He didn't hate him, but he would've picked something better if he could. The curator of the Munich Museum, on the other hand, was a big fan of the failed Austrian painter. Of course, the curator didn't like Stromer's stance on politics at the time, and thus, didn't allow him to remove any of his fossils from the museum.
8. Finally, if you REALLY want to start a palaeontological firestorm that somehow spills over into the physics hall and ends four hours later with three people dead, 46 taken to hospital, every window and piece of furniture in sight broken, except for that one chain that leaves you both awestruck and terrified as to how anyone managed to launch it 15m high, let alone with enough strength to get it stuck up there, and only ended because because this is the fourth meeting in a row this has occurred and riot police with heavy duty gear were already waiting outside like starving, somehow drooling vultures waiting for a weak, sick, starving animal to finally drop dead, talk about LHPV18.
Clint's channel is great but especially his dinosaur videos. I love these and can watch them forever.
Clint is also one of the biggest reasons I got a pet lizard. Thanks Clint.
Clint's passion for his work makes me smile even when I'm mad at the world.