Britain's SLOWEST Train Journey?
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- Today, I take what I think may possibly be the slowest train journey possible within Great Britain. From Hessle to Barton-On-Humber, over unsurprisingly, the Humber estuary. I also compare it to walking over the Humber Bridge!
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Nick: I'm a bit of a fast walker.
Also Nick: *Does roughly 2.3mph, when the average walking speed is 3mph*
Don't forget to factor in the walks from the stations to the bridge too!
Comes out as a 3.5 mile walk with those added!
2 miles is only as the crow flies!
@@NickBadley Fair enough. Honestly I did it more to be cheeky than accurate.
Haha of course! 😊
@@NickBadley I've biked from Hull to Barton Station once. Through it looks easy. No where near easy :D
Not when going uphill which crossing the Humber bridge will involve.
Funny how the time to wait for each connecting train is the same time you could've just walked across the bridge; 100% qualifies as a Pointless Journey!
Yess 😅
Wait a sec, the slowest journey isn’t on Northern? Weird.
Northern are the most reliable operator North of London now! Bar Chiltern and Merseyrail! Stark contrast to 5 years ago
@@CalderTrains what
@@Farleigh1050 might not sound true, after the past but they changed management after the endless disasters and they're actually decent now
@@CalderTrains oh wow
Let’s not talk about them
"...a really nice view of the city of Hull"
I live in Barton, work in Hull. When I'm without my car (rare), it's basically like being stuck in the middle of nowhere. 10/10 town to live in, beautiful views of the Humber. Don't live here if you don't have transport, it's not worth the misery.
It's also £20k cheaper to buy a house south of the river than north.
If you think this is silly, wait until you hear about Glen Rock, NJ. Glen Rock is a borough in Bergen County that has over 12,000 people and two stations (even had three at one point). You might be thinking "Two stations, that doesn't sound weird?" but it will. These are two NJ Transit commuter rail stations, Glen Rock-Boro Hall on the Bergen County Line and Glen Rock-Main Line on the Main Line on DIFFERENT tracks about 300 METERS from each other! So the question is...why? The Bergen County and Main Lines pretty much share the same track between Hoboken and Suffern, but they split off from each other north of Secaucus before joining again at Ridgewood. The Glen Rock stations are the last before they join together.
Now if you were sane, you could easily walk between the two stations on Rock Road in about five minutes, but for those who aren't...if you begin at Boro Hall, you'd have to go down to Secaucus Junction to then go back up to Main Line. For just the trains, it's an hour, but the total time depends on how well you time your transfer at Secaucus Junction (which btw, is the Mecca of Solari boards; they have Solari boards in different colors for the lines that stop there).
"That scenery is quite something"
Literally a flat green field and a foggy grey sky.
That is the joke.
Not many people know that apart from the main line to Hull, there was a second railway under the Humber bridge, on the South bank. At 8:17 there's a brick building in the background. That was the Far Ings Tilery, and it used to have a 2' gauge railway running East to clay pits. It was about as basic as you could get- one loco, one wagon, and one track (no points). The "main line" even ran through the loco shed. It did last into the 21st century but is gone now.
There used to be a fast GWR service that started at Cardiff and took 1 hour 40 minutes from Portsmouth to Brighton
I also mentioned that. but I remember it going from Brighton to Havant and then on to Southampton and there was another one from Portsmouth to Southampton and onwards but I don't remember the Brighton one going into Portsmouth then back out.
@@DanBen07 Until the December 2022 timetable change there were two GWR trains a day from Brighton. One started from Portsmouth and went to Brighton, and then back out to Great Malvern (without going through Portsmouth). Another came from Great Malvern to Brighton, and then back out to Bristol.
@@alek-zanderchullan-hoyte1057 may 2022*
The fast GWR service from Portsmouth & Southsea (although it starts at Portsmouth Harbour) to Brighton took 1 hour and 22 minutes. The Southern service which runs more regularly takes… 1 hour and 19 minutes? That doesn’t feel right…
@@alek-zanderchullan-hoyte1057 Holy crap Brighton to Great malvern? From great Malvern you could get all the way over to Birmingham for a decent price. How much were tickets on those journeys?
Similar situation with West Hempstead and Hempstead on the Long Island Rail Road here in New York...they are not connected to each other directly by train. Hempstead and West Hempstead are just over 1 km apart and yet, no tracks between them. They USED to be connected as the West Hempstead Branch once went up to Country Life Press, but the connection was removed in 1960. So now, by train, you'd have to go from Hempstead to Jamaica on the Hempstead Branch and then Jamaica to West Hempstead on the West Hempstead Branch.
West Hempstead is both the least-used and smallest LIRR branch. It was the last branch to be modernized. Before February 2023, off-peak West Hempstead trains would just be a bi-hourly shuttle service between Valley Stream and West Hempstead, but since the schedule changed thanks to the opening of Grand Central Madison, West Hempstead service has been running hourly through to Atlantic Terminal in Brooklyn.
You are literally everywhere please reply if you aren't AI
@@joshYT135 just because I'm AVERYwhere doesn't mean I'm AI lol
@@AverytheCubanAmerican thanks that you replied to me ❤ from the UK
Ha, you should look at St Budeaux Ferry Road and St Budeaux Victoria Road in the UK. They are on two lines (main/branch) but just past the junction. The walk from one station entrance to the other is around 30 feet. They have GOT to be the two closest stations in the UK. A train journey between the two would take 30 to 40 minutes
makes you wish that engineers in the past had built a rail bridge across the Humber (or that more modern engineers had put a rail tunnel underneath)
Shame the bridge was built in an era where people believed cars were the future and trains a thing of the past.
prblem is that theres not enough rail traffic to use it
@@bisqueta414 maybe on current timetables, but I can't help thinking that it'd provide an alternative route for some railfreight out of Immingham, keeping it off the ECML for longer
@@MercenaryPen true that or maybe 1 or 2 hull trains a day that could extend to Grimsby/cleethorpes but there woundnt be enough traffic for it to happen
@@bisqueta414 most people who don't drive will likely just use the bus (Stagecoach 250/350) if they live in Barton and wanna get to Hull
The bus is a regular service bus but also a rail link that replaced the ferry when the Humber Bridge opened. The ferry was operated by British Rail (and predecessors) and the pier in Hull had a ‘station’…..officially a rail station but it never had any rails or trains.
Have you thought of St Budeaux Ferry Road to St Budeaux Victoria Road? Station entrances are approximately 35 m apart and the quickest connection is just under an hour via Plymouth.
I use to work in st budeaux and until then I did realise how close the 2 stations were
Sounds like you got a stalker unit with that Class 156! Also didn't know you could walk on the Humber Bridge. Great Video Nick.
@@RandomTFLupdates-PEPS_FOR_LIFE I won't be sadly, problems with Saturday that I work them. And most likely won't be able to get it off now
Another journey is that you can’t get a direct train from Mansfield to Derby which is literally 20 minutes down the A38 or you can’t get a train from Nottingham to Retford direct even though its in the same county!
Yeah terminating Robin Hood trains at Worksop (about 8 miles from Retford) does seem odd. If they ran to Retford it would be a good link to the ECML. Nottingham does of course link to Newark direct.
Same from Alfreton to Derby:
1.Standard ticket divert You via Nottingham
2.If You pay extra, can go via Chesterfield (is difficult to buy this one by default)
You could walk it around half an hour over the bridge! You did!
You should try Mallaig to Kyle of Lochalsh, Cleethorpes to Skegness, Fishguard to Aberystwyth, Scarborough to Whitby, Holyhead to Pwllheli.
You could wait a week at Habrough for the Saturday only services to Brigg, Kirton Lindsey & Gainsborough Central
Humber Bridge history: It's a 2.22 km (2,430 yards) single-span road suspension bridge, which opened to traffic on June 24, 1981. When it opened, the bridge was the longest of its type in the world. It was not surpassed until 1998, with the completion of the Akashi Kaikyō Bridge, and is currently the twelfth-longest.
Before the bridge, people crossed the Humber by ferry at New Holland, or by road like the M76 or the M180. Plans for a bridge were drawn up in the 1930s and revised in 1955, but work did not begin until July 27, 1972. The Humber Bridge Act, promoted by Kingston Upon Hull Corporation, was passed in 1959. This established the Humber Bridge Board to manage and raise funds to build the bridge and buy the land required for the approach roads. The allocation of funds proved impossible until the 1966 Kingston upon Hull North by-election. Labour PM Harold Wilson prevailed upon his Minister of Transport Barbara Castle to sanction the building of the bridge. The road-distance between Hull and Grimsby fell by nearly 50 miles (80 km) as a result.
Thanks, kim jong un.
Great video man. Loved it was worth subscribing!
Thank you, Kimmy.
Cheers, Kim! Hope the space program is going well! 🚀
ooh, now this gives me an idea... In the west of Scotland there is a similar journey between Bishopton (at the south end of the Erskine Bridge over the Clyde) and Kilpatrick at the northern end. By rail, according to Traintimes, the journey can take anywhere between 1 hour 6 minutes and 1 hour 25 depending on connections, and the walk over the bridge is (per Google Maps) 1 hour 13. I fancy me a race.
Sounds like an idea, I'm gonna try it since that's pretty near my place 😂
@Brian Maitland very true - and there's not even a bridge needed, just a long walk down the north Ayrshire Coast. Think the train would comfortably win though
Waiting and having patience is part of any passion. 😊 Very relatable to wait for the train you want/have to take.
Never knew you could walk across the Humber Bridge! I bet its a hard walk on a wild windy wet day though....
Can confirm, it was rather windy!
I've done several sponsored walks across the bridge. It can be sunny and balmy with the return minutes later in howling gale. Totally unpredictable.
Quickest way between the two stations is to walk to the Humber Bridge at Hessle and catch the bus direct to Barton station. Time it right and it only takes a few minutes.
As he mentioned, you can also take a bus. Just don't try it by train. :D
A walk across the bridge is now on my 'to-do' list. I'll be in the UK travelling weird lines/stations in October so I hope the weather is OK It seems like actually a quick way to do the Cleethorpes and Hull lines on the same day.
Great video as always!
When they built the Humber bridge, it was still in the era when there was no enthusiasm for the future of railways.
There ARE buses from your terminus station going over to Hull, but most passengers tend to stay on the bus to continue direct to places like Grimsby or Scunthorpe (I've done it myself while I was doing my three year 'all the counties').
This might be one of your best videos ever! Can you make it a series?
Hi Nick another great video. There are a few Platform O now. Geoff Marshall did a video featuring them. Before the Humber Bridge we used to use the paddle steam ferru to get to Hull. One of thw ferries is now a pub and permanently moored in London near embqnkment tube - The Tattersahall Castle which was opersted by the railway
The dedication you have, I applaud it!
This is so stupid..... I love it. Great video, always nice going the scenic way for fun of it.
For the sake of completeness, you ought to do it the other way around as well: walk from Hessle to Barton-on-Humber, and then take the train from there back to Hessle. It might actually be faster!
Or it might be slower, that could happen too, of course.
Just subscribed. Awesome video. Enjoyed the walk across the humber the most, bizarrely
Great video. Just came across it and was interested as I live in Hull and used to live in Barton. Will now start watching all the other vids. Well done young man
I saw 156408 aswell in skegness on my birthday lol, it's everywhere!!
Thoroughly enjoyed your video. Good humoured and informative.
Nearly 50k views in just over a week - well done man oml
At Habrough, i noticed a pub, The Station Arms; thats where i would have waited!
Excellent video Nick
Great video, this is the first one I've seen from you, love the energy
Tell you what, you should take the train from Catford to Catford bridge next, then time how long it takes to walk
Fascinating video.
It is absolutely ridiculous!
Thank you for this video!
Bear with me, a few travloggers I follow have recently started narrating rather than subtitles on their videos. They’d be better silent.
I’ve never seen any of your videos before, so don’t know if they were silent before, but pleasantly surprised that I’m very happy to listen to your voice!
That was a amazing blog 👍👏👏👏👏
Got to go through the subway..... yum yum! Loved your video. Must have been mad going on TPE cancelling trains regularly!
Another great vlog Nick
Brilliant stuff :)
Just found you and thoroughly enjoyed your vid . 👍
I’ve got a Pointless Journey idea! Pitsea To Pitsea
Yeah going via Barking, Upminster and Grays lol 😂
This is not Britains Slowest Railway journey.
That would be Bushmills > Giants Causeway, and I completely encourage you to go and try that sometime this year.
It makes think how in Paris there is a commuter train that, from one end of the service to the other, takes a little over 2 hours to travel only 750m as the crow flies. You can make the end to end journey in 6 minutes of bus or 13-15 minutes of walking.
Whilst that train service has existed for many years, it is bound to disappear soon as part of the line used by this train will be taken over by a tram.
Love this!
Great vlog well done on your subs
There's different ways of doing it, crow flights (as you did it,) single route point-to-point, etc.
I wonder what the slowest en route speed is on the network. Your crow flies speed of 0.55mph is possibly the slowest so far.
thank you for doing one of my local stations
Try Colne to Skipton! They're not too far away but the railway connecting them got ripped up. You have to go via Leeds or Bradford now i believe. Trainline reckons it'll take about 3-3.5 hours
The only reason I go to Kingston Upon Hull on Northern flash ticket sales is to enjoy the views estuary. Glad I’ve discovered your channel.
Wow, that was fascinating. 52 minutes walking va 3h50 via the train. I'd definitely be walking it, and after learning the route a few times, I dare say you'd comfortably be able to get that under 50 minutes.
Given that most people use phones and have earphones (e.g. airpods etc) you could easily have a nice little walk whilst listening to your favorite source of audio and still get to your destination in a quarter of the time that the train takes. And because it is pure human energy, the walk is free. Unlike the train!
This is brilliant. Prob walk it and back in that time
great video, watching you from italy!
Remember that the "Railway Route" from Hull across the Humber was via The Humber Ferry ( Though it was a Ferry it was a through route to New Holland Grimsby and points south on the long closed East Lincolnshire line of the Great Northern
8:18 that collection of buildings on the left is the old tile works (still operational), if you’re ever back in the area I highly recommend a stop, there’s a great cafe and a small garden centre, a brewery even opened there a couple months ago (Shadow Bridge Brewery) you just keep going down the road that led you to the bridge walkway, and the entrance is on your right. Also that path in the middle of the screen is always a nice walk, that whole area is a nature reserve so you’ll likely see some wildlife, I myself saw some deer around there, one of them stood about 20m from me staring lol
When I went from Purfleet to Gillingham I had to go into London to cross the Thames. I could see the QE2 bridge from my flat, and I saw it 90 minutes later from the other side.
Serves you right for going to Gillingham.
Nice video! That has to be the longest journey
I live in Grimsby. Thankfully I don't need to go across the bridge but most of the time. Will definitely be avoiding the train route 😀 Am not one for heights so would probably use the bus option
Trainline has to be one of the worst third party train booking websites I have ever come across. Half the time it recommends you take the bus instead of the train! (not to mention for some real high prices too!)
😂😂😂😂 Hilarious! Thanks enjoyed that 👍
brilliant video im loving the views over the Humber & that was a brilliant journey
New to your channel (it's great!) so you may have already covered this, but if not really should try train versus walking between Newark Castle and Newark Northgate!
Thanks for the video. I went only once from the East Midlands to Hiull via the ferry at New Holland Pier then from Hull back to the East Midlands via Doncaster . ( on 27.3.1980 ). Regrettably I do not seem to have any rail or ferry photos from that date , only bus slides ( on my Flickr page ).
The Kentucky Cardinal on Amtrak took about 4 hours to travel the 116 rail miles from Louisville, KY to Indianapolis, IN with one intermediate stop. Unlike the trip from Hessle to Barton-on-Humber, and other examples, the ex-Monon is pretty much a direct railroad from north to south. Such were the conditions of the tracks on the former Monon R.R. in southern Indiana. The Kentucky Cardinal connected to the New York-Chicago Cardinal at Indianapolis, although it also ran daily from Chicago to Louisville when the Cardinal was off its three times a week schedule.
I rode it once, while traveling from Atlanta, GA to Minneapolis, MN by train in 2003. It was one engine and one coach. Unlimited soda and water from a stack of cases on the floor, just help yourself.
Canceled in 2003, the Kentucky Cardinal might be the slowest end-to-end time of an Amtrak train ever, at just 29 MPH average speed. Between Chicago and Louisville, the NB Kentucky Cardinal was scheduled for 13h 45m over 312 rail miles, or about 23 MPH -- with almost 5 hours of layover time in Indianapolis to connect to the Cardinal train.
Check out the time from Tyndrum Lower to Tyndrum Upper by train. I believe you can walk it in 15 minutes or so - Unlikely to be able to buy a train ticket between the 2
Nice one. Have you tried going from Wigan North Western to Wigan Wallgate? It's about an hour and a half by train, or a one minute walk.
Frimley to Farnborough Main: 1.1 miles on foot. 3 trains to avoid walking or buses.
Actually, Farnborough North to Farnborough Mai (0.8 miles) is better.
But Frimley to Ash Vale (train); Ash Vale to North Camp (walk); North Camp to Farnborough North (train); Farnborough North to Farnborough Main (walk) is my favourite combination.
Nice video, I've walked the Humber Bridge, I've driven over it. But I have walked over the Forth Bridge!
For a similar concept with better scenery, how about Severn Beach to Chepstow by rail and then back walking over the Severn bridge?
In London you could do Gravesend to Tilbury not using the Ferry. Excuse to use HS1 from Gravesend to Stratford or a bit of the DLR.
Try Nottingham to Skegness via Grantham. Around 3 hours for such a short distance
Dawlish Warren - Exmouth might be a good contender… can actually see the destination from Dawlish and takes ~1hr30 mins
I got so happy when I saw a 66 in the background of Doncaster lol
gently surprised by the footpath on the Humber just with a standard railing. great views though!
Scarborough to Whitby by train, try that.
Barton Upon Humber mentioned wheeeeyyyy!
Good well made video. Try getting a train from Tattenham Corner to Epsom Downs and then walk back from Epsom Downs to Tattenham Corner or do the same thing from Dorking Deepdene to Dorking. These two sets of stations are very close to each other, much closer than the 2 miles of the stations featured here, but on different lines. There are loads of other examples which I'm sure others will point out.
Have a look at New Mills Central to New Mills Newtown. 10 minute walk or an hour and a half on the train!
What about Mallaig to Kyle of Lochalsh? Around 20 miles as the crow flies, 426.5 miles by train, and a journey that could alternatively be done by taking the ferry from Mallaig to Skye, and cycling across Skye and over the Skye Bridge.
Dixe Wills did it in Tiny Stations - well worth a read.
snooker and train enthusiast here. following :)
What would be interesting. Hull to Grimsby. Race - 1 train via Doncaster 2 train to Hessle, walk across the bridge then train Barton to Grimsby 3 car and 4 bus.
chances are the car would probably win lol
I enjoyed walking across the bridge back in 2015, but I could go south on the side you went north and come back on the side you could not use.
If you think that that’s bad, imagine trying to travel by train between Penrhyndeudraeth and Blaenau Ffestiniog in Snowdonia.
A quick look at Google maps tells me that those two towns are a mere 9 miles from one another, which would admittedly take a good 3 hours to walk, but is rather tame compared to the 6-7 hour rail journey via Llandudno, Chester, Wrexham, Shrewsbury, and a whole host of other stations in England and Wales.
Luckily there's a regular bus service from Porthmadog
@@AymanTravelTransport Still get on the train at Minffordd & on to Blaenau Ffestiniog using using festering bog railway a lot quicker
Even if you were avoiding the Ffestiniog, why would you need to take that route when you can (usually anyway) get a train from Llandudno Junction to Blaenau? And how could you get to Blaenau by national rail without doing that?
@@davidemmott6225 I meant Llandudno Junction when I said Llandudno, and yes, it would be much quicker to just take The Ffestiniog Railway, but the same is true of taking the coach between Hull and Barton On Humber mentioned in this video, my point was that the National Rail journey would be even more arduous than the one shown here.
@@jackaylward-williams9064 yes but why would you need to go via Chester and Shrewsbury just to get back to Ll Junction?
No one in their right mind would use the train for the journey from Hessle to Barton on Humber, the Stagecoach no 250 Bu is every hour and theres also a service to Scunthorpe, Both of them stop in or around Hessle and outside Barton on Humber Station
I went on the ferry there shortly before the service stopped. I don't know if it was a regular issue or if it was a particularly low tide, but the ferry crew appeared to be using a pole to check the depth of the water.
I reckon I could do similar, but with the walk part being a smaller percentage of the train journey time by going from Heath High Level to Heath Low Level. About 30 minutes by train, but less than a minute when walking.
Nice one Nick. Just a small point - it's usually pronounced 'ezzle!😀
I recollect a new Bristol Britannia on a sales flight, made an abrupt landing on the mudflaps of the Humber. This was in the 1950s.
'Ezzle .....Also my apologies - aside from some "Not to be loose or hump shunted" sign on some long abandoned loco, Doncaster station is generally a very chilly and grim place...
that's the same time it takes to go from Ghent to Luxembourg-city on a regular train :V
This video was very fun to watch Nick, the views of the Humber bridge look amazing, never been there myself but I would love to visit it someday. Also I see 156 408 loves you very much lol.
On a lovely sprinter
Thought I was watching Tom Scott for a second.
The journey can take 2 and half hours (Hessle to Hatfield and Stainforth to Grimsby Town to Barton on Humber) 2 hrs 29 mins
Try Gainsborough Lea Road to Gainsborough Central via Barnetby
Haborough is a bit grim in the winter.
Interesting video Nick. Views from the bridge looks pretty.