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@@Kylee.renfro “According to People Magazine, Ryan Scott Anderson is a middle school special education teacher from Louisiana.” He actually lost a private school teaching job because he was talking about gypsy to his students and it pissed the parents off
I love “the abused can become abuser” quote because it’s so true. That’s what happens to the people who commit horrible crimes like she did, the abuse made her into an abuser herself. I mean cluster n personality disorders usually stem from childhood trauma, which im comfortable saying she absolutely went through.
She was never abused. Her attorney came up with the defense that her mother abused her and had MBP. You can only diagnose it while the person is alive. He, a lawyer, made a medical diagnosis on a person that was dead. She’s made a living still by being a con artist, which her mother did teach her. She’s a sham and a scum bag and the truth needs to be out there!
As well as victims come in all shapes and sizes. She can be a victim and also an opportunist. That's why I blocked her as soon as she became popular because I honestly don't care to give her any more attention. She needs to heal from a place of self reflection, which in her case may be detrimental to her own well being. It's a tough draw, in the end were all just trying to survive.
Especially because they both saw her on my through “documentaries” like mommy dead and dearest….very telling…. And Ken lies and says he was just reaching out to be a friend because it broke his heart. Yeah right. These men are sick and twisted like her
Ryan said that when Gypsy really wants something, she will use the "voice" to get her way and he thinks it's cute. He said it was one of the things that attracted him because it's unique. I think that's weird he's attracted to a woman talking like a child to him
@@teraturk8895 That's because his mind is stuck in 24/7/365 Pdf File mode, and he did exactly what that kind does, he went into a job where he would have access to children, what is even more disturbing is that he is a teacher for disabled and special needs children.
And she takes zero accountability always says the same thing well he did this but I not for his situation the best for him yeah okay your really just looking for someone to blame for everything that happens in your life
As a special education teacher I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the fact that a special ed teacher would purposely seek out a person guaranteed to be emotionally and educationally stunted due to life long trauma is the hugest red flag. Bring me the red flag guy. We are trained in trauma informed care. We are aware of the effects of long term trauma on children and the adults they become. Without serious therapy and time to figure out who she is as a person his interest is nothing short of predation and if he tried to get within a MILE of one of my students he’d be wearing his balls as a hair bow.
As that mom and 11 year old daughter with autism,thank you for 1.what you do and 2. For caring for and loving your students so fiercely 💙 Hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving!
The audacity of cheating on your husband, getting pregnant with the other man, filing for divorce, and getting mad at your husband for DANCING with another woman. The nerve.
1.Why does she keep saying she's not a murderer? She admitted to, got convicted and went to jail for being a murderer. 2. She should have been charged for taking advantage of someone who has special needs.
Oh come on. Did she threaten him?! Did she force him to do this? He was tried and found competent to stand trial. He murdered a stranger to impress his girlfriend
@@AliMitchellIt’s very clear he has a lower end IQ and she took advantage of him, knowing that. What does it matter how she did it? It's the fact she's a known and self admitted liar and manipulator. If anyone should still be in prison, it should definitely be the puppeteer for sure.
Special needs or not he was found competent enough to stand trial. I say we don't infantilize a disabled person and expect him to be responsible for his own actions.
And she tried to do it on her own before Nick, but the firearm was a BB and didn't do the job. She tried to do it and blame it on a robber, but her mother covered for her.
Ok Mickey Mouse....try again! You are pathetic. Still acting as if you are playing men .,I use that term loosely men what normal man gets pen pals from High security prisons. Pesos. Chomos and God knows what else.
im usually a silent watcher and dont comment but this IGNITED a response from me. I AGREE!!!. I believe since she planned it and initiated it she should get longer time. its not like her boyfriend at the time was gonna do it to her mum ANYWAYS. he didnt have that intent until gypsy basically pressured/ coerced/ manipulated him to do so, not realising the reprocussions.
she told people she learned how to lie without conscience and it was followed up with everyone believing her about everything. I never understood the gypsy worship.
One of my favorite bits in my life is going “yeah I lie about being from Texas a lot. When I lived in Dallas it was kinda a problem for me” and usually people don’t question the immediate lie
Exactly she openly admits to the world she can lie without conscious and ppl believe her and her she is lieing about every single thing she says and is getting mad that ppl are figuring out the lies it’s unbelievable all the sheep who are still saying poor gypsy the girl needs to be in prison period she is a danger and when she is off parole give it time she will end up back I can’t stand her I was all for gypsy when she first got out I thought she was abused and I learned the truth lock her up
She claims she isn't a murderer, yet she manipulated Nick into killing her mother. She is responsible for the murder of her mother, hence a murderer. She needs to come to terms with that.
Exactly nick was clearly not all there mentally and she used that to her advantage. Then to say “a real man would have called the cops” like girl he was a special needs kid you manipulated she’s clearly not special needs she’s knows exactly what she’s doing it’s gross
Didnt nick posess murder fantasies tho? He got a longer sentence because experts said he would commit a crime like that once again if he could and he had records due to exposing his private parts in public too, there are no black or white characters in this story, literally
@@kajhalkasraei2796 well it wouldn't be that much of a big deal if she tuck responsibility for what she really did and that the fact that she wasn't abused. So there is that i suppose 🤷🤦
i’m a strong believer in not giving her attention and not feeding into the theories. i wish she was never put into the spotlight because there’s more negative outcomes from that than positive, in my opinion.
Yeah same with Eugenia Cooney. I refuse to give either my views or attention. I’ve really pulled away from celebrities in general because I’ll never understand the fascination. They play in our faces constantly
I agree that a regular life is probably far better for her. however i am not surprised she is drawn to this. Didn't her mom put her in the eye of the media as well? It's what she knows. She doesn't seem to know much normalcy. and now she's got everyone still watching her and she's bound to make bad choices. Who wouldn't in her situation. She's not all whole and healed just because she served her time and is no longer living with her mom. I hope I'm wrong. I just don't see how this can be anything but more negative than positive.
She really gives me the ick. Nicks story never changes but yet her story changes every time she opens her mouth. She confidently says in interviews shes a really good lier, she can use people to her advantage..... How are people falling for it. Shes a con artist. I really hope she isn't pregnant, that poor baby.
I don't get how people don't feel more sorry for him. Like obviously he's capable of murder and I definitely don't think that should be ignored, but he would likely just have had a pretty normal life if not for her. She's a victim of her mum and no-one seems to struggle to see that, but it's like the injustice of him being in prison for life is really fucking dark.
as a trans person I'm just going, f off entirely with co opting our language with this sh. that is the consequences of your actions, they're not social rules, and if they are they're ones you chose through behavior.
Real man? Nick offered and pleaded for different solutions but she would get angry. She wanted Deedee dead. That was her only wish and made Nick believe it was the only solution.
Please, please stop saying Kim Kardashian had an impact on prison reform. Two black female lawyers are getting these people cases reevaluated, not Kim Kardashian.
Let’s not forget she was already an “influencer”!! She and her mother had a facebook page together and she had quite a large following. She would do many interviews with her mom, and go to comic conventions and stuff-which would most definitely attribute to her being so articulate. People would send her gifts/donations and stuff, and her and her mother would post a lot. I’m so surprised nobody has pointed that out! She wants to be famous because she was already famous, she just got even more famous after that
This is such a good point. I knew her mom was always turning to social media for fundraising, but for some reason hadn’t put it together with Gypsy Rose’s social media. She is doing what she was taught to do by her mama; put on a show for people and get paid. I used to feel sorry badly for her, but the more I see of her behavior I just don’t think she is good person, she is a professional victim. I mean she could have used her time in prison to get an education to do something to contribute to human society, but no instead, let me be an influencer. She’s gross.
I’m an actual Therapist. GR has spent her entire life using dysfunctional coping skills to deal w/being in the Frying Pan that was her Mother, into the Fire that was Prison, out to the Hellscape that is American/Hollywood-Internet Fame. Pretending that she is well adjusted, truly in control of anything and not just being used for entertainment is disingenuous. She will continue to use dysfunctional coping skills bc that is all she knows. Full Stop.
IF she had the opportunity to avail herself of mental health care while in prison and chose not to do so, that's on her. Would she be magically healed, make good choices, and always use coping strategies that aren't maladaptive? I think you and I both know better. She would, however, be better prepared and would have laid a foundation for therapy she could, at this moment, be continuing. She would have greater emotional and cognitive reserves upon which to draw, and she would perhaps have some insight that would enable her choose healthier means to cope. She had a choice. She still does. She's young and can start seeing a therapist to help her confront whatever demons she has, even if it takes years. Many of us who have survived complex trauma (maybe not as murderers or inmates) have had to learn that the way we have "always" dealt with things isn't in our best interest. For her sake and the sake of everyone around her, I hope she realizes the same.
@@melissaarias5967"couples therapy" per Gypsy. Nowhere near the "therapy" she needs. She refused any real therapy in prison. A malignant narcissist would first need to be able to tell the truth in therapy. That's not ever going to happen as easily seen.
I can't take Gypsy seriously because she has lied so much and has admitted to being manipulative and lying. Imo she's extremely disturbed and I worry for her unborn child.
My opinion changed completely after watching Crime Weekly’s deep dive into Gypsy Rose. I used to think she was abused and didn’t deserve to spend her life in prison, now I believe she is a manipulative person who in her own words, was taught to be a very good liar. She is still lying to this very day about anything and everything. She needs professional help and I hope she gets it for the sake of her unborn child x
Watch Becca scoops, she does extensive research into this case. It’s SHOCKING! Deedee is not the monster everyone thinks. Only thing she’s guilty of is scamming people. Gypsy is dangerous and manipulative !
@@OhChelseyboo yes definitely check out Becca scoops it's documentary style with very few opinions and she actually has inside source from police who did the original investigation
@zoebowler5664 I honestly didn't believe her at first. I know I know but hear me out Drs would have been held accountable and she said no lawyer would touch it. Boom that means it's necessary. Yes they used the wheelchair it was for muscle weakness and they used it to con individuals and charities not drs. Dee can lie but she can't fake test results. I seen all her medical records her saliva glands were reduced not token from her. Her attorney even said the best was the plea deal because he may not convince a jury of mbp. Yeah because it was all necessary. I would go on but I want people to research for themselves I did and I'm glad I did. I always had a weird feeling about gypsy rose and like I said my main reason was if the mbp was true Drs would be held accountable to because everything that was claimed. I highly recommend Becca scoops she goes over dees history gypsy's history and Nick's history and she has inside information from the original investigators.
The world has reached a point where criminals are turned into celebrities, criminals are turned into presidents, and this sounds to anyone like anything other than absolute insanity.
When she says that 'real man' statement -and maybe its just me looking for the worst in people- but what I hear is 'a real man would have taken the fall and said I was not involved at all and kept me out of prison'
I 1000% agree with you, I hear the same. I've always said the *biggest* missed opportunity was the investigators not granting Nick's wish to talk with Gypsy alone after they completed both interrogations. I am disturbingly certain they would have caught Gypsy on tape instructing Nick to say he kidnapped her
She did a whole lot more on the internet than an account on a dating site. Based on the Court evidence videos. She knew how to navigate the internet, make bookings, impersonations, searches etc. and chose not to find help for her situation😮😮😮
Hi Swoop, I'm an autistic man with BPD, CPTSD, and I have some higher support needs. I actually have a really successful career, and I've got a high IQ, but I have had to learn coping strategies during my work life to not be deceived. However, in my personal life I do have a lot of difficulties telling the intent of people, especially if they engage in manipulative behavior like love bombing and keep me busy (the way a narcissist would). I think Gypsy Rose is a narcissist and was able to manipulate a vulnerable man into murdering her mother. She's refused any accountability, and she loves the spotlight. Yes, she was abused, but she is now an abusive manipulator. One doesn't excuse the other. I was horribly abused as a child, I don't abuse my children, because, to quote Gypsy Rose, "Everyone has a choice."
Had you not gotten the help your life could be much different. Unfortunately, most people do not get the therapy, diagnosis, or coping strategies to become as aware as you are to do differently. Gypsy is one of those cases (before prison) i cut speak to what she is doing now. From a clinical perspective I don't think she had the where with all to make better choices, honestly. I'm also not sure she has narcissistic personality disorder. That diagnosis is thrown out everytime someone sees a symptom in someone. Alot of people have tendencies, but doesn't make them a true narcissist. On a lighter note, Im so happy you have had the chance to get the help you needed in order to make the choices you didn't have when you were growing up. Sending you so much love and light.❤
@@tiatorusJust wanted to clarify that this isn’t true. They are vastly different Cluster B disorders. BPD is almost entirely due to severe childhood trauma which causes identity and emotional disturbances. Narcissism and antisocial personality disordered generally lack empathy and view people instrumentally. This is not the case with BPD.
💯💯 !! Deedee was not diagnosed when she was alive. This Munchhausen by proxy diagnosis came from Gypsy’s lawyers during trial. Deedee was guilty of being a scammer, that’s it.
I know this is a little different than a personality disorder, but the psychiatrist I got my ADHD diagnosis from would only allow online sessions, I had to specifically ask for a video call instead of a phone call. I really wish it had been in person, and I'm glad I got the help I was hoping for but it still feels 1. Anticlimactic after years of waiting for this appointment and a childhood where they just told my parents "idk she might have this but she's also socially adjusted, keep an eye on it" and 2. Unprofessional and leaves room for inaccuracies. I wish more people thought like you and pushed for in-person diagnoses because especially these days, anyone can read a list of symptoms and exaggerate these traits in the hopes of getting a diagnosis, and only a trained professional in-person could notice this and differentiate a real disorder from a lie.
Also side note I use social services in my country because I'm unemployed and they help me with driving lessons, job interviews, income while I am unemployed, etc. And I wanted to thank you for being a social worker. I'm not sure what branch of social services you work in, but it's a hugely under-appreciated industry. I remember walking into the office once for an appointment with my work broker, and there was another man in there at one of the cubicles who stood up and started smacking the table and yelling frustratedly about how he just wanted help, about how he was coming here for help and he wasn't getting any. They locked the building down, evacuated all staff and other clients into a back room, and called the police on him. I understand why they had to do this, but man I empathize with him, and I hope he still gets help, I hope there is a social worker teamed up with him who can get him the help he needs plus maybe a counsellor for his anger. I know people who say it's hopeless and that the social services are useless and never help, but there really are so many resources out there. I hope your career is full of success stories.
@@elenabloksberg212I’m so sorry you didn’t get a full on-set validation with your assessment. The reasons you listed is exactly why I try to avoid anything but being in-person. You deserved better and are valid for feeling the way you do.
@elenabloksberg212 wow that's surprising. I got diagnosed during Covid and my psychologist made me come in person to do my testing. It's crazy they can diagnose without seeing someone face to face. Plus, how would they even know if was you if done by phone? Strange. I'm glad you got your diagnosis though
Swoop Gypsy has been diagnosed with a microdeletion at 1q21.1, which has contributed to her medical history, including multiple eye surgeries to prevent vision loss. However, while she claims to have undergone over 30 surgeries, her medical records indicate only four procedures, three of which were related to her eyes. Additionally, her medical history includes a biopsy to assess muscle tone and the removal of a few moles, described as minor procedures. The placement of a feeding tube was deemed medically necessary due to her failure to thrive. It is important to consider that there are concerns regarding the accuracy of her statements about her medical history, as well as indications of significant mental health challenges.
The micro deletion has nothing to do with her mom shaving her hair or forcing her into a wheelchair for 15 years or forcing her to wear diapers for 20 odd years.
@ Gypsy's medical situation was complex, but it's clear that without surgery, she would likely be blind now. Strabismus and a microdeletion led to muscle weakness, which necessitated a biopsy. Contrary to claims, she didn't need a wheelchair at home. DeeDee remained unaware of Gypsy's true condition until 2011, when doctors finally diagnosed her, and since then, no further tests were needed. Medical records indicated that Gypsy was exaggerating her symptoms. DeeDee did not have MHBP; they were exploiting the system. A review of their medical history and interviews reveals serious mental issues, highlighting Gypsy delusions.
It will be interesting how her baby comes out. I'm sure they did tests on her fetus if Gypsy has a disorder. Hopefully she doesn't have more babies she needs to live her life slower and away from social media. Personally, it's all wrong to me. I'm older and you never would have seen this kind of prison release based on bs.
Not only is it creepy, it's also straight up exploiting human nature. We as a species have a natural instinct to protect and help people (or any living being, for that matter) who display innocent, child-like characteristics... That's precisely how she got so far so quickly.
It’s manipulative to the nth degree and imo its annoying. She bugs the hall outta me. Her whole shtick is manipulation for whatever she wants. It’s how she gets anything, from people believing her side of the story to baby gifts to attention on social media.
I'm willing to be charitable and go along with the idea that her mother coached her to use that voice for so long she doesn’t consciously know that she's doing it. *However,* if I hear ONE jailhouse recording or hot mic where it doesn’t sound like she's been huffing helium then that's all I need to know about the kind of person she really is.
I am a psych nurse and I see it differently. I've seen her saying these things out of vulnerability, trying to speak her truth to hold herself accountable. I have seen real remorse from her. If u think she has shows no remorse... well you haven't seen real manipulation, evil, psychopathy, narcissistic personality disorder. I am impartial, I'm not a fan also not a hater. I try to look at situations with the facts rather then feelings. It's also important to remember to take the internet with a grain of salt.
I have NO respect for Gypsy Rose for on main reason. During the interrogation after the act, she LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING. Then you watch Nick's interrogation and he didn't lie AT ALL! He was COMPLETELY HONEST! It's mindblowing to me that someone who has special needs, who was 110% GROOMED by GR, who told the TRUTH got LIFE while she's out making money off of "him being the one to do the act"! His life was just as much taken away by GR as Dee Dee's was!
Her entire voice changes with the way that she talks and where, between TikTok and TH-cam those are two different people. Growing up abused can make you both a Victim and a perpetuator of that same cycle. It is a choice.
She should also be in prison along with her ex-boyfriend, she’s just as responsible for the murder, as he is the only reason she did 10 years instead of life is because she’s a white woman
I'm a forensic psychologist. We can't diagnose someone's mental condition once they have passed away. Regarding men writing to female inmates , some men may find them attractive due to a paraphilia called hybristophilia, which is a sexual interest in people who commit crimes.
This is such a valid post. If someone plans out the murder and who will do their dirty work does it mean they aren't a murder because the other person had the free will to say no. She needs to be out of the spotlight and just left alone. It is sickining how much attention people are giving her.
She wasn’t part of the crime she was the whole master!! There were texts messages between them. He didn’t want to do it he wanted to run away call the cops, she told him no that won’t work, he needs to take her moms life. She got away with taking her mom’s life! Let’s not forget that.
On the flip side though, weren't there also texts where he was super enthusiastic about the murder? And I do seem to remember hearing that Gypsy has to dissuade him from raping her mother as well? I don't think Gypsy is blameless. She definitely manipulated him. But I also think that he is a dangerous person. The two of them together was a bad mix.
She didn't get away with it though. She was in prison for ten years. If my mother was practically torturing me for years I would have done the exact same thing.
@@LazyCharms Gyp said that, but it was never documented. Are you seriously going to believe her word? I wouldn’t 🤷🏽♀️ do more research pertaining to the case itself. Watch Becca Scoops even…
Its so crazy how she says “a real man would have called the police to get me away from her” yet she literally asked an autistic man for help in a specific way, and was on dating sites when she could have contacted the police or tried to find her father on that computer instead
@@Purple_haze81000well you also don’t know that for sure. If it wasn’t gypsy but he was that easily manipulated into murder it’s definitely possible he could’ve committed it with someone else. As he was clearly capable of doing it.
@@Purple_haze81000Idk about that. If someone hurts or k1ll someone else out of revenge or self defense I don't expect them to forgive their perp/abuser just because they're d3ad. Or other crimes that are motivated by self preservation/protection. So I don't expect repentance or atonement either. You can also still learn a lesson without regretting a crime. It's also impossible for many reasons to implement such a system that only lets you out if you've "atoned" @Purple_haze81000
Never been a fan of Gypsy, I am not a psychologist but I can clearly hear her manipulation from how she talks. It’s weird how people glorify evil but not good anymore.
she reminds me so much of a lass I knew in school and that alone is enough to put me off watching her. If she wasn't Gypsy Rose she would have zero online notoriety
She's not employed and has no job, but she has had enough money for a nose job and lip injections during the last year. She's living a better life than most working-class Americans, and that's really rediculous
I am a 47 year old with cerebral palsy in a wheelchair. I have spent my whole life trying to prove I am not a victim only to discover a world full of people desperate to be victims.
Love this! As a disabled woman with chronic pain, I FIRMLY believe disabled folks, waking up and facing an agonizing reality each and every day, are INFINITELY stronger than any ableists out there trying to undermine our efforts, our rights to life and a quality of it, and/or who view us as “weak”/“a burden”/“useless eaters.” There’s so much I’d LOVE to interview you about, get your insights to, and whatnot. Always enjoy talking with folks who GET IT!
You are seen 🫶 i always try to respectfully be helpful but never act as if someone who is disabled is not able just for this reason. I never want anyone to feel like i see them as fragile or a victim of something.
Her chromosome disorder isn’t alleged. Her step mom handed out Gypsy’s medical records, and Gypsy and her father have admitted to her gene deletion. It’s the reason for all the tests and surgeries.
It's a shame people make these "deep dives" without actually looking into the case and questioning the plausibility of the claims. If y'all think you are not equipped to read medical information, then why make a 2h video?
She is no influencer or advocate the only thing this girl does is continue on with her grifting, manipulating and her fraud, this gal is cold calculating narcissistic pathological sociopathic liar oh and don’t forget a convicted felon for murder!!!!!!
Gypsy takes no responsibility for what happened, she just pays lip-service to the idea that she does. She used Nick, threw him under the bus, and then moved right on.
The fact that she picked the most expensive name brand items for her registry is wild, I had a baby last year and there's definitely cheaper options available😭
Her stepmom Kristy said that when she’s done with her brand new clothes she throws them in the garbage bcuz she’s too lazy to wash or donate them. That’s how entitled she is and she thinks she deserves the best of everything
I think the Menendez brothers have developed and matured profoundly over their time in prison, we see them participating in programs and working with other inmates to recover from trauma, I haven’t seen that same growth from Gypsy Rose
Having worked as a CO in a women's prison for years, Gypsy is trash. She's a typical inmate, extremely skilled in manipulation. It's never the inmates fault, it's always someone else's. 🙄 Sure girlie, you were convicted for no reason.
Got away with murder? Whether you like the length of her sentence or not, she did actually go to prison for it. That's literally the opposite of getting away with murder.
A lot of women who have been through extreme abuse and trauma as a child end up having their voice stuck in a higher register for the rest of their life. (Btw I’m not saying she’s not guilty just cause of that, two things can be true at once) Also, keep in mind swoop keys up the audio a few notches so it doesn’t get claimed.
My opinion has changed. Initially I felt sorry for her after everything she went through and gave the benefit of the doubt that reform and accountability was possible but she soon proved otherwise. She just leaves a trail of destruction wherever she goes and whoever she’s around.
I just looked it up and she was released from prison on Dec 28th 2003. It hasn’t even been a year. I agree she’s making terrible choices and has denial but it’s going to take a lot of time and work to reform.
@@GinghamGinger I agree. After a lifetime of abuse, being stunted, then in jail, for people to be expected her to go about life as any of us would see as normal, when she’s never experienced that, is fucking absurd. Since before she got out of prison, she had grown-ass men seeking a relationship with someone in need of intensive therapy to help her find her footing. Yet she’s the villain for not having her shit together already? The choices she’s making aren’t great, but they’re the best she knows how, and I doubt anyone around her is encouraging her to get the kind of help she actually needs.
@@GinghamGinger I agree with you, I just don’t support the current decisions she’s making but I do think she has toxic people around her who are encouraging poor behaviour and choices and needs more responsible and positive role models to be reformed. I won’t ever write someone off and say they’re never going to get better but for now, she is leaving a trail of destruction. She has the ability to stop it if she starts doing better. Hopefully that happens!!
I have a brother with down syndrome and he is fiercely protective of me. Several years ago, i was in an abusive marriage and had to have brain surgery. My mom left my brother at my house when she left so that he could help me. My husband worked in the oil field and would be leaving for a few weeks. However, before he left, he got physical with me and my brother tried to step in. I saw a side of my brother that night that I'd never seen before. He wanted to hurt my husband. Looking back on that now, I can see how I could have talked him into k*lling my husband. So I can see how Nick was talked into this. If I had given my brother a weapon and convinced him to do that, should he be the one with a lifetime in prison, or should I? Personally, I believe I should. Just like I believe gypsy should. Our justice system is messed up.
I never understood how she could be online to find Nick and be so virtually connected with him to the point of convincing him to k***…but couldn’t go online to get help…
You gotta think a) at the time her decision making skills was that equal to a 10 year old and B) the environment she was in, she was seeing doctors she probably wasn't aware she was able to seek it; it's not like she knew 100% everything her mum was doing until after the fact. Like I was in a really bad abusive relationship; he convinced me what was happening wasn't abusive; I became desperate to the point of thinking of ending him or myself because my mental health was increasing getting worse, lucky i didn't and my friends helped me out. But seeking help is a very easy thing to say in hindsight; if you've never been through it you really can't understand how much of your logically decision making goes out the window, battered woman syndrome exist for a reason and that's fully grown adults never mind a child thats experienced it from birth and was kept mentally stunned. She's not the first person to kill their abuser because they felt like it was the only way out. In many cases they don't believe going to get help will work out in their favour, and will lead to worse treatment. For many it's seen as a big gamble that some decide isn't worth risking the negative outcome, where as killing them is 100% going to end it.
She didn’t want help nor need help she wanted her mother dead plain and simple she’s admitted to trying to shoot her but it was a BB gun and her mother lied at the hospital for her.
Sorry but this gives me victim blaming vibes that is similar to when teen girls are kidnapped but are left alone sometimes or had access to a phone. They aren’t believed that they were kidnapped because if they were they “would of ran or called for help.” Which we all now know that is BS. Fear and mental manipulation is a very strong thing.
I appreciate how sensitive you are to all manner of mental illnesses. I do feel really bad for Nick, because I have a son who has ASD to the point that he is on disability and continues to live at home as an adult. My son has a strong sense of justice, and is also easily manipulated by girls who show interest in him. I worry that my son could be vulnerable to situations like this, not because he’s ever been violent, but because he wouldn’t want to see someone he loves being hurt, and he doesn’t necessary know the proper channels to take. It’s because of this story that I’ve had several discussions with him, reminding him that he should never take care of a matter like this himself, but that he should come to me or go to the police to get help.
Yes! It’s so important to take our kids seriously, whether we as adults think it’s something important or whether we don’t, so that they feel very comfortable coming to us about the bigger, scarier problems that may come up. I try to periodically remind my kiddo that there is no problem that could ever be too big for us to be able to handle together. (It’s an ongoing conversation)
I bet your son is not into sexual predation as Nick was before he met Gypsy...exposing himself in McDonald's playplaces. I deeply dislike society's tendency to infantilize disabled male sex offenders. Nick's mother was also an addict, so I doubt she was teaching him how to steer clear of manipulation.
rich people having the audacity to ask their fans to buy things for their baby is astounding! You would think their pride would keep them from asking fans who are most likely less well off than her fund her own child, when does same people will be struggling to pay for their own child care.
@Antifa_Alex True but normally the gifts are from people who know and they are in the couple who are expecting a baby lives physically offine not online from strangers/personas/fans/followers
The “low functioning autism” comment made me so mad. I hate that people still use those labels for us. Thank you for your care and consideration in this doc!
My opinion changed when I watched the interrogation videos and then Gypsy made her medical information public and it was clearly shown that she has a micro deletion which directly related to the surgeries she had!
SAAAAAAMMMEE... I know the Gypsy stans want to discredit Becca Scoops, but all you have to do is WATCH THE ACTUAL UNCUT INTERROGATION of Gypsy. No talk of abuse, she tried to act surprised her mom was dad and even bragged to one of the cops minding her of all the trips she got to take. Shes a liar and should be locked back up
THIS the evidence is THERE!!! I don't understand how anyone is even questioning it anymore, gypsy is lying to everyone and well aware of what went on then, what's going on now, and who to take advantage of to make more money and attention, and who to silence.
Yes I wanted to mention that. It’s a fact. And explains most if not her surgeries. Which were over all minor. You can the traits for this disorder in her photos even as an infant. If you know what you’re looking for.
@MichiganCrimeTime Idk Krusty or Fancy but thanks. I suppose that takes some blame off any of the doctors who knew about the disorder, but not the ones who suspected Munchausen and didn't do anything about it.
When this case blew up years ago and I watched the interrogation video, when the cop came in and told her her mother was dead she pretended like she didn't know, the way she was behaving told me everything I needed to know about her! She may have went through Hell and her mom was the devil but she's still dead and I know people who did more time for drug charges than she did for planning the murder of her own mother! Turning her into a celebrity is fucking weird, and I just hope someone else doesn't get hurt because of it!
Same here, I believe it's us sensing there is something very wrong and very evil about her. I can't even look at that pic of her in the sink with her bald head because it literally gives me chills it's so evil looking.
This case is the epitome of a miscarriage of justice. Gypsy has been proven to be a highly manipulative liar who very cleverly has evaded the full wrath of the law for being the primary orchestrator in the shmurder of her mother, and aiding and abetting a very vulnerable young autistic man with a low IQ. She had the opportunity to simply leave the house and the unverifiable abusive situation she was in, but she cold heartedly chose shmurder and now has the audacity to not identify as a shmurderer, play victim and continue grifting off her infamy.
Exactly..... She knew.she was seeing an older man named Dan which Dee Dee found out I believe she and Dan murdered Dee Dee and when Nick arrived she set him up.# Justice for Dee Dee and Nick
This girl has been an influencer since she was a small girl and knows exactly what to do to get what she needs.. Her mother taught her how to be a good liar, she says it herself. It’s just sad that she’s been made into a celebrity, she has darkness in her eyes. Something ain’t right with her. I have a feeling something will come to the light 🫣 the fact that she manipulated a boy into murdering her own mother is just really fkn dark
I feel no sympathy for that woman. As soon as the evidence came out she fell apart and unhinged. She is just a whole new trainwreck. She should still be in prison.
@@ApartDragonFruit there's no evidence that she was shackled to a bed. Gypsy has also claimed that she wasn't allowed to have a phone or get online...but we know that's a lie. She spent time at Nick's house, away from her mother like she wanted, and instead of telling them of the all the horrible things that DeeDee was doing to her and begging Nick's mom to get her help she led them to believe that DeeDee was a great mother who did any and everything she had to in order to provide for Gypsy.
@Pandy879 idk where you got the no internet or phone or anything from because gypsy has literally said that her only solace was her computer growing up. That's how she met her first boyfriend and how she watched her Disney movies, even how she met Nick. It's quite a famous part of her case... I'm gonna blow your mind here but wait until you realise that abuse victims don't just go around telling everyone what happened to them, especially when their abuser controls the entire narrative. The two of them weren't at Nick's home for very long before they were caught, I was like a day or less. She wasn't going to tell this woman about her abusive mom when the police are actively looking for her murderers, that raises immediate suspicions.
I'm also an autistic woman. I truly respect and commend you for thorough, thoughtful and considerate you have been of those in the Autistic community. The world would truly be a greater place if more people approach topics like autism and other forms of neurodivergence the way that you do.
Tbh, as someone educated in both criminal justice and journalism, I'm tired of the pseudo investigations and the sensationalization of criminals on social media. There is rampant misinformation, and nonstop "picking" information based on personal choices and not professional ethics.
Well, please do lend us your professional journalism and criminal justice expertise, and tell us exactly what is misinformation, then! What is misinformation? I and many would love to know! Please cite examples. I’ll be waiting to see your response, and any correction of misinformation. I can say, with certainty, that many journalists ran with GRB’s lies without fact, and reported them with ease when this first happened. In fact, the journalists’ reporting errors are still floating around rampant to this day. I can’t wait to have your expertise regarding this case.
She's amazing. I am a very critical person, especially online.. which is not always good... and my critics aren't always right.. I am under no illusion I am the arbiter of truth or people's character but Swoop just feels good. She's so real. You can tell.
I think it was habitat for humanity she wanted to film for her show while “being an advocate” imo she deserves every bit of criticism. I’m horrified for her baby. Period
I have been waiting for you to cover what's been going on with her because I absolutely cannot keep up with it at all. Getting whiplash from these drive-by updates I get in my feeds. Looking forward to this watch!
I worked at a prison for 5 years, inmates are given every kind of program for free. All they have to do is sign up and go. Apparently that was too much work for her 😂
Gypsy Rose started the idea of murder and manipulated an outsider to do the job. This means she is a murderer, point blank period. The fact that she denied she was a murderer is sick. She should not be made a celebrity and definitely not an American sweetheart. What is needs is therapy, not reality tv shows or fame.
i am once again pointing out that excusing nick's behavior bc hes autistic is ableist as hell. im autistic. being autistic doesnt make you an uwu helpless victim who didnt know better, and acting like he couldnt have made his own choices is just feeding into stereotypes that harm us. if anyone wants to talk about this case, DO NOT act like nick is innocent. hes not. he wanted to r4pe a corpse and chose to help gypsy. if you dont wanna treat gypsy like a victim due to her actions, dont treat nick like one either.
I felt bad for her while she was in prison. Once she got out and started doing whatever ✨this✨ is, I stopped. She deserves to also rot. Putting all the blame on him. He never would’ve kills Dee Dee if it wasn’t for her dumbass.
Me too!! I mean he def did wrong but I would be filled with fury to be behind bars for life and she's out here some kinda celebrity in Hollyweird. Just another example of the weird stuff that goes on out there!!!
Gypsy is guilt of manipulating But nick still killed due to someone saying to do so They both should of got life with no parole But gypsy used her personal life to get off Nick is a creep
I watched her and nicks interrogations and honestly she’s a straight up monster in my opinion. Serial killers have bad childhoods and yet it’s no excuse. She got off easy cause she’s a woman and she said herself that she is a good liar. Nick just looked like he did it for love. And totally got screwed cause he’s the dude
@@bixxiepage I believe Nick because if you actually watch his interrogation, he's just telling it like it is. Like a child would. He fessed up to stabbing her 4 times. There were 17 stab wounds on her body. If she could always walk, she could stab her obese mother in bed. If society is ok with letting the master manipulator run around free, he should be too. or hey...lock her ass back up.
The way she manipulated me so much he honestly thought that he was saving her life at one point. he begged her so many times just to run away with her and she refused. She wouldn’t accept any of it and since he’s actually level two autism disability for the rest of his life and life assistance it’s hard for him to lie which is why his interrogation is pretty straightforward and his story has never really changed and he’s also susceptible to manipulation. And part of Maple leaves a gypsy also took part of it as well. There’s just way too much DNA in that room that’s connected with her and the way she lowered the temperature of the house poured baby powder around the room to decrease the smell. She planted every single step of this crime plus fully setting nick up by shipping the murder weapon to his house after the act was committed , she was the mastermind of it so tell you the truth, honest opinion the sentences should’ve been swapped. She should’ve been serving life and I’m not saying you should be out. At this point, I think he should’ve gotten a much less sentence and also go into a lockdown for mental health facility receiving lots of help because before this, he had no prior violent record his mother before she up ending her life, set the interrogation how gypsy was basically a beast and how she manipulated him and he was never violent. He was always such a sweet, good hearted kid and friends and family in the neighborhood back this up.. it’s kind of the opposite with gypsy she picked up a BB gun thinking it was a real gun and shot her mother 10 times there’s hospital records of her mother covered up the incident saying that she was robbed in Walmart so her daughter wouldn’t facing any charges. so she was planning on offering her mother before even talking to she talked Nikki into doing this for two whole years. and he loved her so much. He still has a connection with her in the way she still belittle him. Makes me sick to my stomach. I’m not saying what he did at all. I’m just saying considering that he’s on spectrum he also has severe mental health issues and low IQ functions at the level of a 10-year-old. The case should be reconsidered on his part and he needs mental healthcare.. Her she should’ve never been released at prison . She’s a nightmare of a person. Every person she comes across she ruins their life.
@@arcaderat1613 she got off easy for being a woman and was released he did it for love, so.. Do you think he's not culpable if he did it for the right reason?
Hi Swoop, mental health professional here. You're doing a fantastic job of breaking down and explaining a lot of psychological concepts for folks who may not have been exposed to them before. Science communication is so important and I'm so glad to see so many YT'ers who are so aware of the importance of understanding mental health.
My friends and family told me I was crazy for not liking her/not thinking she should ever reach celebrity status. What part of any of that seems like a great idea 😭. I feel so validated now lol thanks for the video
Your family/friends seem kinda bonkers from this comment! Like, it’s one thing to feel bad for her about her past, but we’ve ALL seen how fame, clout, and popularity can result in CATASTROPHE! Whether you like GRB or not, her staying out of the spotlight and OFF social media is very likely what would have been best for her, and her mental and moral development
@allieferreira881 most people haven't heard of one let alone the other. Gypsy's case is the only reason I figured out my stepdaughter was being abused. The expert mark Feldman from this case advised me after reviewing her case he was concerned. Then I was taught what to look for and how to lay the case out for an expert to review easily. I won the case. DHS still didn't help.
@allieferreira881 I agree. All gypsy's docs are annoying to me. Yes I did. We had cases going through DHS and I had to take medical records and line them up with messages to show her daughter was injured or r#$ed every time she was told no.
@@florcipopI agree but it still sounds bad for her to say that.. however I theorize she thought she had to say that & put most of the blame on him or people would hate her
He was a convicted sex offender, so he already got his second chance. I feel like her sentence was appropriate, however I hate that she’s getting all this attention, I think it’s bizarre and inappropriate
Yeah. and how she starts acting like her mom because that's all she's known her whole life so it's common for abused victims to end up emulating that behaviour. She needs to be off the internet
She needed therapy but she refused it. That's her choice, her responsibility. I think many of us have been through heinous shit as children but as an adult we have to make choices and become responsible for them. That's maybe not fair, that nobody is coming to fix it for us but that's life. It isn't fair. You can only strive to be fair yourself in all ways.
There is NO PROOF she "went through " anything. It's a narrative. There is lots of proof, including the continued pattern she is still doing.. Malingering, and grifting.
This and also denying her the opportunity to try to learn how to be one by everyone and their mother jumping on the opportunity while it was hot and completely fucking her foundational perception Like this girl just went through some insane shit and now is meant to start anew, how the hell is someone to do that with brands and celebs and the like jumping on her before she even steps her first free steps
Hard same on this but I can't say that's true for every Cluster B. Also no one with mental illness of any variety is the same as every other person with mental illness.
Yeah, honestly, all that matters is the kid and their wellbeing. I hope she can reflect on her own life and maybe make different choices as a mother. I hope the cycle doesn't repeat itself. I'd like to think, she'd want to do things differently.
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I am Autistic and I feel that a lot of people just don't understand what it is like. I spent my entire school experiences in special education and before I was blessed to receive Early Intervention Therapy, I was clinically diagnosed to be lower functioning than kids with Down's Syndrome at the time. I feel that there's a misrepresentation and misunderstanding in society when it comes to having Autism. Some of us can't physically be around other people when they get angry and I've never known anyone on the spectrum that had experienced psychotic ruminations to where they were willing to cause violence for the sole purpose of ending another person's existence. I can't speak for everyone but I honestly can't stand when people use developmental disabilities as an excuse to do something or a reason why they did something horrid. Thank you for what you said and for shedding luminosity upon the subject! Your videos help me when I have sensory overloads and they are always really cool to watch. Thank you for spending the time to make these videos! 🙏✌️
Thank you for sharing. I don't think it's being used as an excuse, but it's definitely not being taken into consideration, which I believe it personally should. As I'm sure you are well aware ASD is a vast spectrum and effects everyone differently. What you might find easy, someone else might find extremely hard and visa versa. I have two children on the spectrum both on the severe end but both completely different and to the with different needs. I do agree it is no excuse to use it as a defence, but I feel to understand Nick as a person, his thought process and how vulnerable he was to manipulation it should at least be taken into consideration. Nick has always admitted his part and taken responsibility and for sure, he deserves to pay for his part in the crime. Just infuriating the person who manipulated him is as free a a bird.
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Good vid. Could you dial the music down just a bit when you're talking? It's a bit difficult to process what you're saying and the music. Thanks!
Ryan, being a special ed teacher, saying he loved Gypsy’s baby voice always icked me out
Yes gross to me!
@ it’s sketchy to say the least
I thought he was a social studies teacher? Either way it’s gross
@@Kylee.renfro “According to People Magazine, Ryan Scott Anderson is a middle school special education teacher from Louisiana.” He actually lost a private school teaching job because he was talking about gypsy to his students and it pissed the parents off
Me too. First of all, he's the spitting image of DeeDee. Second, my sister was special needs. I'd NEVER let this thing around her when she was alive.
the mere fact that she was made into a celebrity is dystopian.
The world’s a stage
Yeah happens with sports people all the time, and musicians like Chris Brown still has a career after beating Rhianna
Ya i was prepared to fully ignore her existence til the end of time.
100 correct, celebrities and "people" all play a part. @lindsayforrest4599
I agree. Makes me so grossed out. >.< with our society.
The thought of Gypsy Rose having and raising a child is frightening.
I think it’s important to highlight the same thing we all keep saying “you can be a victim and also guilty”. We see it everywhere
I love “the abused can become abuser” quote because it’s so true. That’s what happens to the people who commit horrible crimes like she did, the abuse made her into an abuser herself. I mean cluster n personality disorders usually stem from childhood trauma, which im comfortable saying she absolutely went through.
She was never abused. Her attorney came up with the defense that her mother abused her and had MBP. You can only diagnose it while the person is alive. He, a lawyer, made a medical diagnosis on a person that was dead. She’s made a living still by being a con artist, which her mother did teach her. She’s a sham and a scum bag and the truth needs to be out there!
she was never abused
@@SandorSoptei *Allegedly
As well as victims come in all shapes and sizes. She can be a victim and also an opportunist.
That's why I blocked her as soon as she became popular because I honestly don't care to give her any more attention. She needs to heal from a place of self reflection, which in her case may be detrimental to her own well being. It's a tough draw, in the end were all just trying to survive.
The men interested in contacting someone perpetually stuck in little girl mode is… a choice on their part.
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Especially because they both saw her on my through “documentaries” like mommy dead and dearest….very telling….
And Ken lies and says he was just reaching out to be a friend because it broke his heart. Yeah right. These men are sick and twisted like her
Not a good one
Ryan said that when Gypsy really wants something, she will use the "voice" to get her way and he thinks it's cute. He said it was one of the things that attracted him because it's unique. I think that's weird he's attracted to a woman talking like a child to him
@@teraturk8895 That's because his mind is stuck in 24/7/365 Pdf File mode, and he did exactly what that kind does, he went into a job where he would have access to children, what is even more disturbing is that he is a teacher for disabled and special needs children.
She doesn’t identify as a murderer?!?! Ok girl. I don’t identify as a woman in debt 🤣😂
I categorically don’t identify as an overweight woman.
Lmfao
@@briergate402same!!!!!
I identify as a millionaire born into a poor woman's body.
And she takes zero accountability always says the same thing well he did this but I not for his situation the best for him yeah okay your really just looking for someone to blame for everything that happens in your life
As a special education teacher I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the fact that a special ed teacher would purposely seek out a person guaranteed to be emotionally and educationally stunted due to life long trauma is the hugest red flag. Bring me the red flag guy.
We are trained in trauma informed care. We are aware of the effects of long term trauma on children and the adults they become.
Without serious therapy and time to figure out who she is as a person his interest is nothing short of predation and if he tried to get within a MILE of one of my students he’d be wearing his balls as a hair bow.
Her victim, Nick is special Ed.
Dustin Poyner is the red flag guy
Yeah that’s something that’s absolutely horrifying that didn’t even cross my mind. How disturbing
As that mom and 11 year old daughter with autism,thank you for 1.what you do and 2. For caring for and loving your students so fiercely 💙
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There is something very wrong with both of those men who sought out relationships with her while she was in prison.
The audacity of cheating on your husband, getting pregnant with the other man, filing for divorce, and getting mad at your husband for DANCING with another woman. The nerve.
None of that matters. What matters is the manipulation of her ex bf still sitting in prison
@@pistachiosandpopcorn7146just because her ex is still in prison doesn’t mean the other people she’s hurt and manipulated “don’t matter”
Sounds like a woman in a mans field. Men do this all the time and it's their choise but when a woman does it all hell breaks loose.
@@pistachiosandpopcorn7146her manipulated ex boyfriend deserves to be in jail still, the issue is she should be there with him
@@pistachiosandpopcorn7146 buddy....all victims matter. Not just the one.
1.Why does she keep saying she's not a murderer? She admitted to, got convicted and went to jail for being a murderer.
2. She should have been charged for taking advantage of someone who has special needs.
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Oh come on. Did she threaten him?! Did she force him to do this? He was tried and found competent to stand trial. He murdered a stranger to impress his girlfriend
@@AliMitchellIt’s very clear he has a lower end IQ and she took advantage of him, knowing that.
What does it matter how she did it? It's the fact she's a known and self admitted liar and manipulator.
If anyone should still be in prison, it should definitely be the puppeteer for sure.
Special needs or not he was found competent enough to stand trial. I say we don't infantilize a disabled person and expect him to be responsible for his own actions.
@@elliart7432the Justice system didn't care if you have mental issues or not sadly
I just cringe every time I hear Gypsy Rose say that she doesn't identify as murderer. That doesn't change the fact that you were behind the murder.
And definitely participated in it as well. Check the autopsy report.
And she tried to do it on her own before Nick, but the firearm was a BB and didn't do the job. She tried to do it and blame it on a robber, but her mother covered for her.
Exactly...the murder WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED if you didn't MAKE it happen. Just takes zero responsibility.
Ok Mickey Mouse....try again! You are pathetic. Still acting as if you are playing men .,I use that term loosely men what normal man gets pen pals from High security prisons. Pesos. Chomos and God knows what else.
im usually a silent watcher and dont comment but this IGNITED a response from me. I AGREE!!!. I believe since she planned it and initiated it she should get longer time. its not like her boyfriend at the time was gonna do it to her mum ANYWAYS. he didnt have that intent until gypsy basically pressured/ coerced/ manipulated him to do so, not realising the reprocussions.
she told people she learned how to lie without conscience and it was followed up with everyone believing her about everything. I never understood the gypsy worship.
I caught that too. The irony 🤦🏽♀️🤣
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When someone tells you who they really are, believe them.
One of my favorite bits in my life is going “yeah I lie about being from Texas a lot. When I lived in Dallas it was kinda a problem for me” and usually people don’t question the immediate lie
Exactly she openly admits to the world she can lie without conscious and ppl believe her and her she is lieing about every single thing she says and is getting mad that ppl are figuring out the lies it’s unbelievable all the sheep who are still saying poor gypsy the girl needs to be in prison period she is a danger and when she is off parole give it time she will end up back I can’t stand her I was all for gypsy when she first got out I thought she was abused and I learned the truth lock her up
She claims she isn't a murderer, yet she manipulated Nick into killing her mother. She is responsible for the murder of her mother, hence a murderer. She needs to come to terms with that.
Exactly nick was clearly not all there mentally and she used that to her advantage. Then to say “a real man would have called the cops” like girl he was a special needs kid you manipulated she’s clearly not special needs she’s knows exactly what she’s doing it’s gross
narcissists will always choose delusion over reality
@ wow that’s a valid point!
Didnt nick posess murder fantasies tho? He got a longer sentence because experts said he would commit a crime like that once again if he could and he had records due to exposing his private parts in public too, there are no black or white characters in this story, literally
@@traceyhamilton6030 you do know her name is a slur against romanis right… why would you say that you psychopath
I don't think you can claim you are reformed when you won't even accept responsibility for your crime
Yep I bet at the parole board hearing she was singing a different tune.
@@thekavestation exactly i bet she used her little girl voice to manipulate them. I wonder if they were all men on the parole board 🫣
I mean when is that big of a deal when your victim is your abuser who abused you for your whole childhood and mentally stunt you?
@@kajhalkasraei2796 well it wouldn't be that much of a big deal if she tuck responsibility for what she really did and that the fact that she wasn't abused. So there is that i suppose 🤷🤦
@ClairePower-sv9mt yes she was. Pretty severely in fact.
i’m a strong believer in not giving her attention and not feeding into the theories. i wish she was never put into the spotlight because there’s more negative outcomes from that than positive, in my opinion.
there's money in the spotlight, people want the interviews with her because $$$$$ and views
Yeah same with Eugenia Cooney. I refuse to give either my views or attention. I’ve really pulled away from celebrities in general because I’ll never understand the fascination. They play in our faces constantly
@@evelyn.embers Keep in mind, people also want to trash talk her and spread rumours for the money and views too.
But whatever would the creators talk about?! 😂
I agree that a regular life is probably far better for her. however i am not surprised she is drawn to this. Didn't her mom put her in the eye of the media as well? It's what she knows. She doesn't seem to know much normalcy. and now she's got everyone still watching her and she's bound to make bad choices. Who wouldn't in her situation. She's not all whole and healed just because she served her time and is no longer living with her mom. I hope I'm wrong. I just don't see how this can be anything but more negative than positive.
She really gives me the ick.
Nicks story never changes but yet her story changes every time she opens her mouth. She confidently says in interviews shes a really good lier, she can use people to her advantage..... How are people falling for it. Shes a con artist. I really hope she isn't pregnant, that poor baby.
Oh she's definitely pregnant 😂😂
@@caroldixon3251 ikr she said who she really is in that interview. Believe that.
You think there’s a chance she isn’t…? I don’t think you’re up to date lol
THERE IS NO GOD! ALL WE HAVE IS EACH OTHER! FKN DEAL WITH IT!
I don't get how people don't feel more sorry for him. Like obviously he's capable of murder and I definitely don't think that should be ignored, but he would likely just have had a pretty normal life if not for her.
She's a victim of her mum and no-one seems to struggle to see that, but it's like the injustice of him being in prison for life is really fucking dark.
Ohhhhh piss off with that- Just bc you don’t identify as a murderer, does NOT mean that you aren’t 🙄
Lol right?
I don't identify as a fat person however my scale would politely disagree
Facts don't care about one's fefes
Yes thank you!! I totally agree with you here.
as a trans person I'm just going, f off entirely with co opting our language with this sh. that is the consequences of your actions, they're not social rules, and if they are they're ones you chose through behavior.
Exactly then Ryan in another interview he said that the mastermind manipulator behind the crime was Nick
I identify as skinny but lm fat😂
Real man? Nick offered and pleaded for different solutions but she would get angry. She wanted Deedee dead. That was her only wish and made Nick believe it was the only solution.
Bingo!! I Agree
100 % she orchestrated and manipulated that poor boy
Yep!!
Not to mention she tried to off DeeDee herself twice that we know of before
Yeah, but he shouldn't have agreed to that. I don't get why he didn't think about it more.
Please, please stop saying Kim Kardashian had an impact on prison reform. Two black female lawyers are getting these people cases reevaluated, not Kim Kardashian.
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Why does their gender and race matter? Two real lawyers are getting the cases reevaluated, not Kim Kardashian. ..
Why does gender and race matter? Two real attorneys are getting these cases reevaluated, not Kim Kardashian. ❤
@@AbbieeSchutjerr why does it bother you that the original commenter included that they were black women?
@@AbbieeSchutjerrcontext. Context is why it matters
Let’s not forget she was already an “influencer”!! She and her mother had a facebook page together and she had quite a large following. She would do many interviews with her mom, and go to comic conventions and stuff-which would most definitely attribute to her being so articulate. People would send her gifts/donations and stuff, and her and her mother would post a lot. I’m so surprised nobody has pointed that out! She wants to be famous because she was already famous, she just got even more famous after that
That’s wild I didn’t know that!
This is such a good point. I knew her mom was always turning to social media for fundraising, but for some reason hadn’t put it together with Gypsy Rose’s social media. She is doing what she was taught to do by her mama; put on a show for people and get paid. I used to feel sorry badly for her, but the more I see of her behavior I just don’t think she is good person, she is a professional victim. I mean she could have used her time in prison to get an education to do something to contribute to human society, but no instead, let me be an influencer. She’s gross.
Kids that grow up doing a lot of medical appointments also often grow up articulate because they have spent so much time with adults x
Infamous
Yup! Her mother taught her well, can't deny that. She's a professional liar and grifter.
I’m an actual Therapist. GR has spent her entire life using dysfunctional coping skills to deal w/being in the Frying Pan that was her Mother, into the Fire that was Prison, out to the Hellscape that is American/Hollywood-Internet Fame. Pretending that she is well adjusted, truly in control of anything and not just being used for entertainment is disingenuous. She will continue to use dysfunctional coping skills bc that is all she knows. Full Stop.
IF she had the opportunity to avail herself of mental health care while in prison and chose not to do so, that's on her. Would she be magically healed, make good choices, and always use coping strategies that aren't maladaptive? I think you and I both know better.
She would, however, be better prepared and would have laid a foundation for therapy she could, at this moment, be continuing. She would have greater emotional and cognitive reserves upon which to draw, and she would perhaps have some insight that would enable her choose healthier means to cope.
She had a choice. She still does. She's young and can start seeing a therapist to help her confront whatever demons she has, even if it takes years. Many of us who have survived complex trauma (maybe not as murderers or inmates) have had to learn that the way we have "always" dealt with things isn't in our best interest. For her sake and the sake of everyone around her, I hope she realizes the same.
I agree!
@@palusy She's in therapy.
@@melissaarias5967"couples therapy" per Gypsy. Nowhere near the "therapy" she needs. She refused any real therapy in prison. A malignant narcissist would first need to be able to tell the truth in therapy. That's not ever going to happen as easily seen.
THANK YOU oh my god everyone needs to remember this
I can't take Gypsy seriously because she has lied so much and has admitted to being manipulative and lying. Imo she's extremely disturbed and I worry for her unborn child.
My opinion changed completely after watching Crime Weekly’s deep dive into Gypsy Rose. I used to think she was abused and didn’t deserve to spend her life in prison, now I believe she is a manipulative person who in her own words, was taught to be a very good liar. She is still lying to this very day about anything and everything. She needs professional help and I hope she gets it for the sake of her unborn child x
Watch Becca scoops, she does extensive research into this case. It’s SHOCKING! Deedee is not the monster everyone thinks. Only thing she’s guilty of is scamming people. Gypsy is dangerous and manipulative !
Also Becca Scoops videos are very detailed and mind-opening!
@@BlackandDeckerPeckerWrecker ooh thanks I’ll check it out!
@@OhChelseyboo yes definitely check out Becca scoops it's documentary style with very few opinions and she actually has inside source from police who did the original investigation
@zoebowler5664 I honestly didn't believe her at first. I know I know but hear me out Drs would have been held accountable and she said no lawyer would touch it. Boom that means it's necessary. Yes they used the wheelchair it was for muscle weakness and they used it to con individuals and charities not drs. Dee can lie but she can't fake test results. I seen all her medical records her saliva glands were reduced not token from her. Her attorney even said the best was the plea deal because he may not convince a jury of mbp. Yeah because it was all necessary. I would go on but I want people to research for themselves I did and I'm glad I did. I always had a weird feeling about gypsy rose and like I said my main reason was if the mbp was true Drs would be held accountable to because everything that was claimed. I highly recommend Becca scoops she goes over dees history gypsy's history and Nick's history and she has inside information from the original investigators.
The world has reached a point where criminals are turned into celebrities, criminals are turned into presidents, and this sounds to anyone like anything other than absolute insanity.
Yep, and it's the reason why other countries look at us like how we look at Florida
This !!!! Like wth!!!
Well, the US has reached that point.
Best Comment Award 🥇
The US has had criminals as presidents in the past. As have many countries.
“ a real man would’ve called the authorities” so she had a phone and could’ve done the same.
She's only saying that now because at the time she really convinced herself that she would have gotten away with it. She wanted DeeDee dead
When she says that 'real man' statement -and maybe its just me looking for the worst in people- but what I hear is 'a real man would have taken the fall and said I was not involved at all and kept me out of prison'
I 1000% agree with you, I hear the same. I've always said the *biggest* missed opportunity was the investigators not granting Nick's wish to talk with Gypsy alone after they completed both interrogations. I am disturbingly certain they would have caught Gypsy on tape instructing Nick to say he kidnapped her
I think you’re right.
For sure 💯
That's exactly what I heard as well.
100% underrated comment 🧡🧡🧡
How dare the TH-cam algorithm hold this video away from me for 3 whole minutes
I know right? I’m here 58 minutes after posting like wtfffff
I'm here after 1hr! Thats it, I'm writing a letter to the manager.
Right?
😂😂😂
What about the last two hours. I didn't even get a notification... Ugh. Well let's gooooo
Gypsy created an account on a dating site but couldn't call the police on her mom? She didn't want to just be "saved" but she wanted her mom GONE.
She did a whole lot more on the internet than an account on a dating site. Based on the Court evidence videos. She knew how to navigate the internet, make bookings, impersonations, searches etc. and chose not to find help for her situation😮😮😮
Exactly
Bc making a dating app account is a lot easier than calling the police on your own mother??
Didn't the police return Gypsy to her mother the one time that she ran away from home?
@@mamawray Yes
Hi Swoop, I'm an autistic man with BPD, CPTSD, and I have some higher support needs. I actually have a really successful career, and I've got a high IQ, but I have had to learn coping strategies during my work life to not be deceived. However, in my personal life I do have a lot of difficulties telling the intent of people, especially if they engage in manipulative behavior like love bombing and keep me busy (the way a narcissist would). I think Gypsy Rose is a narcissist and was able to manipulate a vulnerable man into murdering her mother. She's refused any accountability, and she loves the spotlight. Yes, she was abused, but she is now an abusive manipulator. One doesn't excuse the other. I was horribly abused as a child, I don't abuse my children, because, to quote Gypsy Rose, "Everyone has a choice."
Exactly Total narcissist
Had you not gotten the help your life could be much different. Unfortunately, most people do not get the therapy, diagnosis, or coping strategies to become as aware as you are to do differently.
Gypsy is one of those cases (before prison) i cut speak to what she is doing now. From a clinical perspective I don't think she had the where with all to make better choices, honestly. I'm also not sure she has narcissistic personality disorder. That diagnosis is thrown out everytime someone sees a symptom in someone. Alot of people have tendencies, but doesn't make them a true narcissist.
On a lighter note, Im so happy you have had the chance to get the help you needed in order to make the choices you didn't have when you were growing up. Sending you so much love and light.❤
BPD is considered to be a form of narcissism . Maybe you were misdiagnosed
@@tiatorusJust wanted to clarify that this isn’t true. They are vastly different Cluster B disorders. BPD is almost entirely due to severe childhood trauma which causes identity and emotional disturbances. Narcissism and antisocial personality disordered generally lack empathy and view people instrumentally. This is not the case with BPD.
There is actually very little evidence that she was actually abused. Her mother was never even diagnosed with munchausens.
As a social worker, I would NEVER feel comfortable diagnosing anyone without an official, in-person assessment. A diagnosis is a HUGE claim.
💯💯 !! Deedee was not diagnosed when she was alive. This Munchhausen by proxy diagnosis came from Gypsy’s lawyers during trial. Deedee was guilty of being a scammer, that’s it.
I know this is a little different than a personality disorder, but the psychiatrist I got my ADHD diagnosis from would only allow online sessions, I had to specifically ask for a video call instead of a phone call. I really wish it had been in person, and I'm glad I got the help I was hoping for but it still feels 1. Anticlimactic after years of waiting for this appointment and a childhood where they just told my parents "idk she might have this but she's also socially adjusted, keep an eye on it" and 2. Unprofessional and leaves room for inaccuracies. I wish more people thought like you and pushed for in-person diagnoses because especially these days, anyone can read a list of symptoms and exaggerate these traits in the hopes of getting a diagnosis, and only a trained professional in-person could notice this and differentiate a real disorder from a lie.
Also side note I use social services in my country because I'm unemployed and they help me with driving lessons, job interviews, income while I am unemployed, etc. And I wanted to thank you for being a social worker. I'm not sure what branch of social services you work in, but it's a hugely under-appreciated industry. I remember walking into the office once for an appointment with my work broker, and there was another man in there at one of the cubicles who stood up and started smacking the table and yelling frustratedly about how he just wanted help, about how he was coming here for help and he wasn't getting any. They locked the building down, evacuated all staff and other clients into a back room, and called the police on him. I understand why they had to do this, but man I empathize with him, and I hope he still gets help, I hope there is a social worker teamed up with him who can get him the help he needs plus maybe a counsellor for his anger. I know people who say it's hopeless and that the social services are useless and never help, but there really are so many resources out there. I hope your career is full of success stories.
@@elenabloksberg212I’m so sorry you didn’t get a full on-set validation with your assessment. The reasons you listed is exactly why I try to avoid anything but being in-person. You deserved better and are valid for feeling the way you do.
@elenabloksberg212 wow that's surprising. I got diagnosed during Covid and my psychologist made me come in person to do my testing. It's crazy they can diagnose without seeing someone face to face. Plus, how would they even know if was you if done by phone? Strange. I'm glad you got your diagnosis though
Swoop Gypsy has been diagnosed with a microdeletion at 1q21.1, which has contributed to her medical history, including multiple eye surgeries to prevent vision loss. However, while she claims to have undergone over 30 surgeries, her medical records indicate only four procedures, three of which were related to her eyes. Additionally, her medical history includes a biopsy to assess muscle tone and the removal of a few moles, described as minor procedures. The placement of a feeding tube was deemed medically necessary due to her failure to thrive. It is important to consider that there are concerns regarding the accuracy of her statements about her medical history, as well as indications of significant mental health challenges.
But she was also made to ride a wheelchair while she certainly didnt need at all!
The micro deletion has nothing to do with her mom shaving her hair or forcing her into a wheelchair for 15 years or forcing her to wear diapers for 20 odd years.
Even one unnecessary medical treatment is too much
@ Gypsy's medical situation was complex, but it's clear that without surgery, she would likely be blind now. Strabismus and a microdeletion led to muscle weakness, which necessitated a biopsy. Contrary to claims, she didn't need a wheelchair at home. DeeDee remained unaware of Gypsy's true condition until 2011, when doctors finally diagnosed her, and since then, no further tests were needed. Medical records indicated that Gypsy was exaggerating her symptoms. DeeDee did not have MHBP; they were exploiting the system. A review of their medical history and interviews reveals serious mental issues, highlighting Gypsy delusions.
It will be interesting how her baby comes out. I'm sure they did tests on her fetus if Gypsy has a disorder. Hopefully she doesn't have more babies she needs to live her life slower and away from social media. Personally, it's all wrong to me. I'm older and you never would have seen this kind of prison release based on bs.
Her little girl voice gives me the creeps...is that also an act?
Yes, always has been. Her mother coached her to talk that way, so she still does to this day when manipulating people.
100%. ryan himself said she turns the voice up a notch when she wants to get her way
Not only is it creepy, it's also straight up exploiting human nature. We as a species have a natural instinct to protect and help people (or any living being, for that matter) who display innocent, child-like characteristics... That's precisely how she got so far so quickly.
It’s manipulative to the nth degree and imo its annoying. She bugs the hall outta me. Her whole shtick is manipulation for whatever she wants. It’s how she gets anything, from people believing her side of the story to baby gifts to attention on social media.
I'm willing to be charitable and go along with the idea that her mother coached her to use that voice for so long she doesn’t consciously know that she's doing it. *However,* if I hear ONE jailhouse recording or hot mic where it doesn’t sound like she's been huffing helium then that's all I need to know about the kind of person she really is.
She said it herself, she is manipulative and a VERY good liar. She is delusional and deserves to still be in prison.
Absolutely! No remorse
I am a psych nurse and I see it differently. I've seen her saying these things out of vulnerability, trying to speak her truth to hold herself accountable. I have seen real remorse from her. If u think she has shows no remorse... well you haven't seen real manipulation, evil, psychopathy, narcissistic personality disorder.
I am impartial, I'm not a fan also not a hater. I try to look at situations with the facts rather then feelings. It's also important to remember to take the internet with a grain of salt.
I have NO respect for Gypsy Rose for on main reason. During the interrogation after the act, she LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING. Then you watch Nick's interrogation and he didn't lie AT ALL! He was COMPLETELY HONEST! It's mindblowing to me that someone who has special needs, who was 110% GROOMED by GR, who told the TRUTH got LIFE while she's out making money off of "him being the one to do the act"! His life was just as much taken away by GR as Dee Dee's was!
Her entire voice changes with the way that she talks and where, between TikTok and TH-cam those are two different people. Growing up abused can make you both a Victim and a perpetuator of that same cycle. It is a choice.
She clearly is a perpetrator
Paris Hilton does that as well. Jus saying, it's not a gotcha.
@@TheMistyakapyt Did Paris Hilton murder her mother?
How about talking with normal voice why not that???
@@TheMistyakapyt Weird flex dude.
The girl needs mental health treatment and should stay off social media completely!
She should also be in prison along with her ex-boyfriend, she’s just as responsible for the murder, as he is the only reason she did 10 years instead of life is because she’s a white woman
She should be in prison! She should have NEVER gotten out!
Yesss! And her family as well.
Totally agree. She’s not okay on several levels.
THIS I agree with. Nothing scrambles a mental illness worse than fame and online exposure.
I'm a forensic psychologist. We can't diagnose someone's mental condition once they have passed away.
Regarding men writing to female inmates , some men may find them attractive due to a paraphilia called hybristophilia, which is a sexual interest in people who commit crimes.
Which is very much a both-genders thing.
With Gypsy’s argument I wonder, does that mean Charles Manson didn’t have to identify as a M? He didn’t commit his crimes directly either…
Same with Jim Jones
If you do something that leads to someone's murder yes you're a murder. I don't think she got thst part.
@@marcusellby Well, he died, so he doesn't identify as anything.
Same with Hitler & the like 😬
This is such a valid post. If someone plans out the murder and who will do their dirty work does it mean they aren't a murder because the other person had the free will to say no. She needs to be out of the spotlight and just left alone. It is sickining how much attention people are giving her.
She wasn’t part of the crime she was the whole master!! There were texts messages between them. He didn’t want to do it he wanted to run away call the cops, she told him no that won’t work, he needs to take her moms life. She got away with taking her mom’s life! Let’s not forget that.
💯💯💯
On the flip side though, weren't there also texts where he was super enthusiastic about the murder? And I do seem to remember hearing that Gypsy has to dissuade him from raping her mother as well?
I don't think Gypsy is blameless. She definitely manipulated him. But I also think that he is a dangerous person. The two of them together was a bad mix.
She didn't get away with it though. She was in prison for ten years.
If my mother was practically torturing me for years I would have done the exact same thing.
two things can be true at once, i believe she was a victim, i also believe she is manipulative and attention seeking
@@LazyCharms Gyp said that, but it was never documented. Are you seriously going to believe her word? I wouldn’t 🤷🏽♀️ do more research pertaining to the case itself. Watch Becca Scoops even…
Its so crazy how she says “a real man would have called the police to get me away from her” yet she literally asked an autistic man for help in a specific way, and was on dating sites when she could have contacted the police or tried to find her father on that computer instead
I don’t know if she deserves to be out or not. It just rubes me the wrong way that she is now living a lavish life as an influencer.
Anybody who won’t atone to their crime doesn’t deserve to be let out. If godjohn didn’t meet her, none of this crime would have happened.
@@Purple_haze81000well you also don’t know that for sure. If it wasn’t gypsy but he was that easily manipulated into murder it’s definitely possible he could’ve committed it with someone else. As he was clearly capable of doing it.
Your comment answers itself. Nope. We didn’t know before, but now we do.
@@Purple_haze81000Idk about that. If someone hurts or k1ll someone else out of revenge or self defense I don't expect them to forgive their perp/abuser just because they're d3ad. Or other crimes that are motivated by self preservation/protection. So I don't expect repentance or atonement either. You can also still learn a lesson without regretting a crime.
It's also impossible for many reasons to implement such a system that only lets you out if you've "atoned" @Purple_haze81000
@Purple_haze81000 she would have found and manipulated someone else to do it. If he never met her he wouldn't be spending his life in prison
Never been a fan of Gypsy, I am not a psychologist but I can clearly hear her manipulation from how she talks. It’s weird how people glorify evil but not good anymore.
Idk if people are "glorifying evil" so much as being manipulated themselves.
She is the perfect speaker for evil. That's why evil makes her famous to trick more people
Same.
she reminds me so much of a lass I knew in school and that alone is enough to put me off watching her. If she wasn't Gypsy Rose she would have zero online notoriety
Yes!!!! I can’t understand how anyone could listen to her talk and believe the bullshit she’s spewing out. Her body language is very telling.
She's not employed and has no job, but she has had enough money for a nose job and lip injections during the last year. She's living a better life than most working-class Americans, and that's really rediculous
You can ABSOLUTELY NOT DIAGNOSE A PERSON WHO IS DEAD !! Especially using the testimony of her murderer !! 🤦♀️
What do ya think happened? Think she masterminded the whole thing?
I am a 47 year old with cerebral palsy in a wheelchair. I have spent my whole life trying to prove I am not a victim only to discover a world full of people desperate to be victims.
It's been really noticeable in the past ten or so years.
Amen.
I’m 50. I said to a friend this morning that when I was growing up, everyone wanted to be the hero of their story but now they want to be the victim.
Love this! As a disabled woman with chronic pain, I FIRMLY believe disabled folks, waking up and facing an agonizing reality each and every day, are INFINITELY stronger than any ableists out there trying to undermine our efforts, our rights to life and a quality of it, and/or who view us as “weak”/“a burden”/“useless eaters.”
There’s so much I’d LOVE to interview you about, get your insights to, and whatnot. Always enjoy talking with folks who GET IT!
You are seen 🫶 i always try to respectfully be helpful but never act as if someone who is disabled is not able just for this reason. I never want anyone to feel like i see them as fragile or a victim of something.
this video made me realize that since her Kim K interview, she has been trying to actually be Kim.
Her chromosome disorder isn’t alleged. Her step mom handed out Gypsy’s medical records, and Gypsy and her father have admitted to her gene deletion. It’s the reason for all the tests and surgeries.
It's a shame people make these "deep dives" without actually looking into the case and questioning the plausibility of the claims. If y'all think you are not equipped to read medical information, then why make a 2h video?
@ Especially when the medical information is key. It’s 2024, you can research anything you want with all the information we have at our fingertips.
Thanks for this. Hope this comment will be boosted.
Not only Rod admitted it but gypsy herself said she was afraid of passing it to her child... so yeah definitely not "alleged"
@@jennifercornell8929Exactly. It is in the medical records and, as you stated, both Rod and Gypsy have spoken about it.
I hate how social media made her a star. She served her time in prison, sure, but she's an influencer now? She should live away from the sporlight.
She is no influencer or advocate the only thing this girl does is continue on with her grifting, manipulating and her fraud, this gal is cold calculating narcissistic pathological sociopathic liar oh and don’t forget a convicted felon for murder!!!!!!
Agreed. And watching her interviews and behavior on social media, it’s clear she’s not okay and needs help on many petty serious levels.
YES. She should not be on social media at all.
Gypsy takes no responsibility for what happened, she just pays lip-service to the idea that she does. She used Nick, threw him under the bus, and then moved right on.
The fact that she picked the most expensive name brand items for her registry is wild, I had a baby last year and there's definitely cheaper options available😭
Her stepmom Kristy said that when she’s done with her brand new clothes she throws them in the garbage bcuz she’s too lazy to wash or donate them. That’s how entitled she is and she thinks she deserves the best of everything
I think the Menendez brothers have developed and matured profoundly over their time in prison, we see them participating in programs and working with other inmates to recover from trauma, I haven’t seen that same growth from Gypsy Rose
Exactly.
Having worked as a CO in a women's prison for years, Gypsy is trash. She's a typical inmate, extremely skilled in manipulation.
It's never the inmates fault, it's always someone else's. 🙄 Sure girlie, you were convicted for no reason.
Her cute little baby voice shouldn’t fool you. She got away with murder.
yesssss! and ryan said she turns the voice up a notch to get what she wants. she’s crszy
Got away with murder? Whether you like the length of her sentence or not, she did actually go to prison for it. That's literally the opposite of getting away with murder.
A lot of women who have been through extreme abuse and trauma as a child end up having their voice stuck in a higher register for the rest of their life. (Btw I’m not saying she’s not guilty just cause of that, two things can be true at once)
Also, keep in mind swoop keys up the audio a few notches so it doesn’t get claimed.
Her "cute little baby voice"?!? Cute to who???? It's irritating AF!
Aww you guys read the Facebook summary of the trial how adorable
My opinion has changed. Initially I felt sorry for her after everything she went through and gave the benefit of the doubt that reform and accountability was possible but she soon proved otherwise. She just leaves a trail of destruction wherever she goes and whoever she’s around.
I just looked it up and she was released from prison on Dec 28th 2003. It hasn’t even been a year. I agree she’s making terrible choices and has denial but it’s going to take a lot of time and work to reform.
@@GinghamGinger 2003????
@@SeinIshamiado 2023
@@GinghamGinger I agree. After a lifetime of abuse, being stunted, then in jail, for people to be expected her to go about life as any of us would see as normal, when she’s never experienced that, is fucking absurd. Since before she got out of prison, she had grown-ass men seeking a relationship with someone in need of intensive therapy to help her find her footing. Yet she’s the villain for not having her shit together already? The choices she’s making aren’t great, but they’re the best she knows how, and I doubt anyone around her is encouraging her to get the kind of help she actually needs.
@@GinghamGinger I agree with you, I just don’t support the current decisions she’s making but I do think she has toxic people around her who are encouraging poor behaviour and choices and needs more responsible and positive role models to be reformed. I won’t ever write someone off and say they’re never going to get better but for now, she is leaving a trail of destruction. She has the ability to stop it if she starts doing better. Hopefully that happens!!
I have a brother with down syndrome and he is fiercely protective of me. Several years ago, i was in an abusive marriage and had to have brain surgery. My mom left my brother at my house when she left so that he could help me. My husband worked in the oil field and would be leaving for a few weeks. However, before he left, he got physical with me and my brother tried to step in. I saw a side of my brother that night that I'd never seen before. He wanted to hurt my husband. Looking back on that now, I can see how I could have talked him into k*lling my husband. So I can see how Nick was talked into this. If I had given my brother a weapon and convinced him to do that, should he be the one with a lifetime in prison, or should I? Personally, I believe I should. Just like I believe gypsy should. Our justice system is messed up.
I never understood how she could be online to find Nick and be so virtually connected with him to the point of convincing him to k***…but couldn’t go online to get help…
This !
You gotta think a) at the time her decision making skills was that equal to a 10 year old and B) the environment she was in, she was seeing doctors she probably wasn't aware she was able to seek it; it's not like she knew 100% everything her mum was doing until after the fact. Like I was in a really bad abusive relationship; he convinced me what was happening wasn't abusive; I became desperate to the point of thinking of ending him or myself because my mental health was increasing getting worse, lucky i didn't and my friends helped me out. But seeking help is a very easy thing to say in hindsight; if you've never been through it you really can't understand how much of your logically decision making goes out the window, battered woman syndrome exist for a reason and that's fully grown adults never mind a child thats experienced it from birth and was kept mentally stunned. She's not the first person to kill their abuser because they felt like it was the only way out. In many cases they don't believe going to get help will work out in their favour, and will lead to worse treatment. For many it's seen as a big gamble that some decide isn't worth risking the negative outcome, where as killing them is 100% going to end it.
I mentioned this on the reddit sub shortly before she was released from prison and got banned.. for critical thinking I suppose.
She didn’t want help nor need help she wanted her mother dead plain and simple she’s admitted to trying to shoot her but it was a BB gun and her mother lied at the hospital for her.
Sorry but this gives me victim blaming vibes that is similar to when teen girls are kidnapped but are left alone sometimes or had access to a phone. They aren’t believed that they were kidnapped because if they were they “would of ran or called for help.” Which we all now know that is BS. Fear and mental manipulation is a very strong thing.
My final thought on Gypsy Rose is…Like mother, Like daughter.
I appreciate how sensitive you are to all manner of mental illnesses. I do feel really bad for Nick, because I have a son who has ASD to the point that he is on disability and continues to live at home as an adult.
My son has a strong sense of justice, and is also easily manipulated by girls who show interest in him.
I worry that my son could be vulnerable to situations like this, not because he’s ever been violent, but because he wouldn’t want to see someone he loves being hurt, and he doesn’t necessary know the proper channels to take.
It’s because of this story that I’ve had several discussions with him, reminding him that he should never take care of a matter like this himself, but that he should come to me or go to the police to get help.
Yes! It’s so important to take our kids seriously, whether we as adults think it’s something important or whether we don’t, so that they feel very comfortable coming to us about the bigger, scarier problems that may come up.
I try to periodically remind my kiddo that there is no problem that could ever be too big for us to be able to handle together.
(It’s an ongoing conversation)
I bet your son is not into sexual predation as Nick was before he met Gypsy...exposing himself in McDonald's playplaces. I deeply dislike society's tendency to infantilize disabled male sex offenders. Nick's mother was also an addict, so I doubt she was teaching him how to steer clear of manipulation.
rich people having the audacity to ask their fans to buy things for their baby is astounding! You would think their pride would keep them from asking fans who are most likely less well off than her fund her own child, when does same people will be struggling to pay for their own child care.
The people that give her money are night in their right minds
brb let me go start a fake go fund me to rake in some of that cash
Have you ever been to a baby shower or heard of a baby registry
@Antifa_Alex True but normally the gifts are from people who know and they are in the couple who are expecting a baby lives physically offine not online from strangers/personas/fans/followers
Its the way she was trained. Apple didn't fall far from that tree.
No Gypsy, not everyone deserves a second chance.
The “low functioning autism” comment made me so mad. I hate that people still use those labels for us. Thank you for your care and consideration in this doc!
Ngl same! I tried reminding myself that it was years ago during the trial, but I still cringed so hard.
My opinion changed when I watched the interrogation videos and then Gypsy made her medical information public and it was clearly shown that she has a micro deletion which directly related to the surgeries she had!
Same, the first Viall podcast was the first red flag for me. Then I found Becca Scoops and the evidence from court.
Sadly people are still manipulated thinking she was abused. Deedee was guilty of being a scammer, that’s it.
SAAAAAAMMMEE... I know the Gypsy stans want to discredit Becca Scoops, but all you have to do is WATCH THE ACTUAL UNCUT INTERROGATION of Gypsy. No talk of abuse, she tried to act surprised her mom was dad and even bragged to one of the cops minding her of all the trips she got to take. Shes a liar and should be locked back up
THIS the evidence is THERE!!! I don't understand how anyone is even questioning it anymore, gypsy is lying to everyone and well aware of what went on then, what's going on now, and who to take advantage of to make more money and attention, and who to silence.
Me too, I watched the interrogation in February/March and learned about her medical records. She’s nothing but pure EVIL.
Gypsy & her dad have BOTH admitted to her having the chromosome disorder. It’s not speculation. 🙄
Yes I wanted to mention that. It’s a fact. And explains most if not her surgeries. Which were over all minor.
You can the traits for this disorder in her photos even as an infant. If you know what you’re looking for.
She was tested and diagnosed in like 2011…
I mean, she also admitted to being a spectacular liar, so idk.
@@HazooToo it’s in her medical records that Krusty released to Fancy.
@MichiganCrimeTime Idk Krusty or Fancy but thanks. I suppose that takes some blame off any of the doctors who knew about the disorder, but not the ones who suspected Munchausen and didn't do anything about it.
When this case blew up years ago and I watched the interrogation video, when the cop came in and told her her mother was dead she pretended like she didn't know, the way she was behaving told me everything I needed to know about her! She may have went through Hell and her mom was the devil but she's still dead and I know people who did more time for drug charges than she did for planning the murder of her own mother! Turning her into a celebrity is fucking weird, and I just hope someone else doesn't get hurt because of it!
Same.
I've been bothered by this whole thing from the moment I found out about this case. I fully believe that she should not be out in the public
There's something about her that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I can't put my finger on what it is, but she unnerves me.
I think it’s the sociopathy
SAME. I’m quite intuitive, and SAME.
Same here, I believe it's us sensing there is something very wrong and very evil about her. I can't even look at that pic of her in the sink with her bald head because it literally gives me chills it's so evil looking.
The truest thing she said is that she was taught how to lie......Her manipulation skills are flawless.
This case is the epitome of a miscarriage of justice. Gypsy has been proven to be a highly manipulative liar who very cleverly has evaded the full wrath of the law for being the primary orchestrator in the shmurder of her mother, and aiding and abetting a very vulnerable young autistic man with a low IQ. She had the opportunity to simply leave the house and the unverifiable abusive situation she was in, but she cold heartedly chose shmurder and now has the audacity to not identify as a shmurderer, play victim and continue grifting off her infamy.
Exactly..... She knew.she was seeing an older man named Dan which Dee Dee found out I believe she and Dan murdered Dee Dee and when Nick arrived she set him up.# Justice for Dee Dee and Nick
@ boy ik you ain't talking like you have morals or sum, harassing women cause you think you're edgy 😂
A doc for the suspool AND one on the main channel? What a good week for us 🥰
Our girl is putting in work and treating us ❤
Right 😊
This girl has been an influencer since she was a small girl and knows exactly what to do to get what she needs.. Her mother taught her how to be a good liar, she says it herself. It’s just sad that she’s been made into a celebrity, she has darkness in her eyes. Something ain’t right with her. I have a feeling something will come to the light 🫣 the fact that she manipulated a boy into murdering her own mother is just really fkn dark
Ive never supported her. She manipulated him and should have at LEAST the same lifetime punishment as him.
I feel no sympathy for that woman. As soon as the evidence came out she fell apart and unhinged. She is just a whole new trainwreck. She should still be in prison.
She was old enough to leave.she used Nick to take the fall.
@@JudithBarlettashe tried to leave and her mother shackled her to her bed. She tried to leave multiple times and failed.
@@ApartDragonFruit there's no evidence that she was shackled to a bed. Gypsy has also claimed that she wasn't allowed to have a phone or get online...but we know that's a lie. She spent time at Nick's house, away from her mother like she wanted, and instead of telling them of the all the horrible things that DeeDee was doing to her and begging Nick's mom to get her help she led them to believe that DeeDee was a great mother who did any and everything she had to in order to provide for Gypsy.
@Pandy879 idk where you got the no internet or phone or anything from because gypsy has literally said that her only solace was her computer growing up. That's how she met her first boyfriend and how she watched her Disney movies, even how she met Nick. It's quite a famous part of her case...
I'm gonna blow your mind here but wait until you realise that abuse victims don't just go around telling everyone what happened to them, especially when their abuser controls the entire narrative. The two of them weren't at Nick's home for very long before they were caught, I was like a day or less. She wasn't going to tell this woman about her abusive mom when the police are actively looking for her murderers, that raises immediate suspicions.
@@ApartDragonFruit Gypsy wasn't abused. She was part of the con.
I'm also an autistic woman. I truly respect and commend you for thorough, thoughtful and considerate you have been of those in the Autistic community. The world would truly be a greater place if more people approach topics like autism and other forms of neurodivergence the way that you do.
Tbh, as someone educated in both criminal justice and journalism, I'm tired of the pseudo investigations and the sensationalization of criminals on social media. There is rampant misinformation, and nonstop "picking" information based on personal choices and not professional ethics.
Well, please do lend us your professional journalism and criminal justice expertise, and tell us exactly what is misinformation, then! What is misinformation? I and many would love to know! Please cite examples. I’ll be waiting to see your response, and any correction of misinformation. I can say, with certainty, that many journalists ran with GRB’s lies without fact, and reported them with ease when this first happened. In fact, the journalists’ reporting errors are still floating around rampant to this day. I can’t wait to have your expertise regarding this case.
Can’t wait to see your video response offering your expertise …oh, wait .
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What an Honor, you are incredible GORGEOUS Swoop❤ Always enjoy your docs..❤ Thank you sincerely ❤Keep your head up❤, I too struggle❤cat x
She's amazing. I am a very critical person, especially online.. which is not always good... and my critics aren't always right.. I am under no illusion I am the arbiter of truth or people's character but Swoop just feels good. She's so real. You can tell.
Literally was about to say she is fEEDING US!
I think it was habitat for humanity she wanted to film for her show while “being an advocate” imo she deserves every bit of criticism. I’m horrified for her baby. Period
I have been waiting for you to cover what's been going on with her because I absolutely cannot keep up with it at all. Getting whiplash from these drive-by updates I get in my feeds. Looking forward to this watch!
But she turned down therapy in prison, she lied to you Kim k
I worked at a prison for 5 years, inmates are given every kind of program for free. All they have to do is sign up and go. Apparently that was too much work for her 😂
Gypsy Rose started the idea of murder and manipulated an outsider to do the job. This means she is a murderer, point blank period. The fact that she denied she was a murderer is sick. She should not be made a celebrity and definitely not an American sweetheart. What is needs is therapy, not reality tv shows or fame.
i am once again pointing out that excusing nick's behavior bc hes autistic is ableist as hell. im autistic. being autistic doesnt make you an uwu helpless victim who didnt know better, and acting like he couldnt have made his own choices is just feeding into stereotypes that harm us. if anyone wants to talk about this case, DO NOT act like nick is innocent. hes not. he wanted to r4pe a corpse and chose to help gypsy. if you dont wanna treat gypsy like a victim due to her actions, dont treat nick like one either.
If anyone is a Gypsy Rose Blanchard fan please go watch Becca Scoops’s videos about her and her case!! It will shock you!!
Yes!
💯
Flawless nina has some really good videos too
Becca Scoops should have a Netflix documentary.
Thank you bc I’m tired of reading so much misinformation in these comments 🤦🏽♀️
I felt bad for her while she was in prison. Once she got out and started doing whatever ✨this✨ is, I stopped. She deserves to also rot. Putting all the blame on him. He never would’ve kills Dee Dee if it wasn’t for her dumbass.
the amount of drama w her is crazy n she just got out this year 😭😭
Damn it was just this year she got released? Seems like longer with all her bs 😂
She tried to off her mom BERFORE. So she knew exactly what she was doing with Nick
Dude! I LOVE how you explain this story.... point blank period
I dislike Gypsy. She is manipulative. I feel for Nick. He got a raw deal.
Me too!! I mean he def did wrong but I would be filled with fury to be behind bars for life and she's out here some kinda celebrity in Hollyweird. Just another example of the weird stuff that goes on out there!!!
Gypsy is guilt of manipulating
But nick still killed due to someone saying to do so
They both should of got life with no parole
But gypsy used her personal life to get off
Nick is a creep
I watched her and nicks interrogations and honestly she’s a straight up monster in my opinion. Serial killers have bad childhoods and yet it’s no excuse. She got off easy cause she’s a woman and she said herself that she is a good liar. Nick just looked like he did it for love. And totally got screwed cause he’s the dude
So if you stab someone to death for love they should be released from prison?
@@bixxiepage Where did they say that?
@@bixxiepage I believe Nick because if you actually watch his interrogation, he's just telling it like it is. Like a child would. He fessed up to stabbing her 4 times. There were 17 stab wounds on her body. If she could always walk, she could stab her obese mother in bed. If society is ok with letting the master manipulator run around free, he should be too. or hey...lock her ass back up.
The way she manipulated me so much he honestly thought that he was saving her life at one point. he begged her so many times just to run away with her and she refused. She wouldn’t accept any of it and since he’s actually level two autism disability for the rest of his life and life assistance it’s hard for him to lie which is why his interrogation is pretty straightforward and his story has never really changed and he’s also susceptible to manipulation.
And part of Maple leaves a gypsy also took part of it as well. There’s just way too much DNA in that room that’s connected with her and the way she lowered the temperature of the house poured baby powder around the room to decrease the smell. She planted every single step of this crime plus fully setting nick up by shipping the murder weapon to his house after the act was committed , she was the mastermind of it so tell you the truth, honest opinion the sentences should’ve been swapped. She should’ve been serving life and I’m not saying you should be out. At this point, I think he should’ve gotten a much less sentence and also go into a lockdown for mental health facility receiving lots of help because before this, he had no prior violent record his mother before she up ending her life, set the interrogation how gypsy was basically a beast and how she manipulated him and he was never violent. He was always such a sweet, good hearted kid and friends and family in the neighborhood back this up.. it’s kind of the opposite with gypsy she picked up a BB gun thinking it was a real gun and shot her mother 10 times there’s hospital records of her mother covered up the incident saying that she was robbed in Walmart so her daughter wouldn’t facing any charges. so she was planning on offering her mother before even talking to she talked Nikki into doing this for two whole years. and he loved her so much. He still has a connection with her in the way she still belittle him. Makes me sick to my stomach. I’m not saying what he did at all. I’m just saying considering that he’s on spectrum he also has severe mental health issues and low IQ functions at the level of a 10-year-old. The case should be reconsidered on his part and he needs mental healthcare..
Her she should’ve never been released at prison . She’s a nightmare of a person. Every person she comes across she ruins their life.
@@arcaderat1613 she got off easy for being a woman and was released he did it for love, so.. Do you think he's not culpable if he did it for the right reason?
Hi Swoop, mental health professional here. You're doing a fantastic job of breaking down and explaining a lot of psychological concepts for folks who may not have been exposed to them before. Science communication is so important and I'm so glad to see so many YT'ers who are so aware of the importance of understanding mental health.
My friends and family told me I was crazy for not liking her/not thinking she should ever reach celebrity status. What part of any of that seems like a great idea 😭. I feel so validated now lol thanks for the video
Your family/friends seem kinda bonkers from this comment! Like, it’s one thing to feel bad for her about her past, but we’ve ALL seen how fame, clout, and popularity can result in CATASTROPHE! Whether you like GRB or not, her staying out of the spotlight and OFF social media is very likely what would have been best for her, and her mental and moral development
Malingering, yes. MSP, no. Gypsy has a disorder which made every procedure she had necessary and she along with all of her family admitted this.
I've had a hard time getting people to understand there's a very distinct difference.
Agreed! 💯
@allieferreira881 most people haven't heard of one let alone the other. Gypsy's case is the only reason I figured out my stepdaughter was being abused. The expert mark Feldman from this case advised me after reviewing her case he was concerned. Then I was taught what to look for and how to lay the case out for an expert to review easily. I won the case. DHS still didn't help.
@allieferreira881 I agree. All gypsy's docs are annoying to me. Yes I did. We had cases going through DHS and I had to take medical records and line them up with messages to show her daughter was injured or r#$ed every time she was told no.
And today I found out she requested another home for habitats for humanity saying she’s a poor single mother! The audacity is insulting
WHAAAAAT?
0:18 everybody deserves a second chance.... except Nicholas Godejohn 🤦♀️ she's nuts.
actually he doesn’t he had a criminal history before he even met her
Yea I would look into his history before Gypsy. He would have done this to someone if it hadn’t been Gypsy’s mom.
@@heathercoffey6 what about his history makes you think that?
@@florcipopI agree but it still sounds bad for her to say that.. however I theorize she thought she had to say that & put most of the blame on him or people would hate her
He was a convicted sex offender, so he already got his second chance. I feel like her sentence was appropriate, however I hate that she’s getting all this attention, I think it’s bizarre and inappropriate
i feel like the internet’s biggest problem was expecting gypsy rose to be a normal person after what she went through
Yeah. and how she starts acting like her mom because that's all she's known her whole life so it's common for abused victims to end up emulating that behaviour. She needs to be off the internet
She needed therapy but she refused it. That's her choice, her responsibility. I think many of us have been through heinous shit as children but as an adult we have to make choices and become responsible for them. That's maybe not fair, that nobody is coming to fix it for us but that's life. It isn't fair. You can only strive to be fair yourself in all ways.
True, but she's an adult now and understands what's going on.
There is NO PROOF she "went through " anything. It's a narrative. There is lots of proof, including the continued pattern she is still doing.. Malingering, and grifting.
This and also denying her the opportunity to try to learn how to be one by everyone and their mother jumping on the opportunity while it was hot and completely fucking her foundational perception
Like this girl just went through some insane shit and now is meant to start anew, how the hell is someone to do that with brands and celebs and the like jumping on her before she even steps her first free steps
Hi, as someone diagnosed with ASD and DID I really appreciate the way you approached the topic.
I have Autism, Adhd, ptsd, bpd, and not once have i ever thought about murdering or ever helping someone murder.
Yeah but it's not really that clear cut, she manipulated and abused him over 2 years
Things like this are not clear cut like that.
Not everyone is the same
Hard same on this but I can't say that's true for every Cluster B. Also no one with mental illness of any variety is the same as every other person with mental illness.
The thing with Nicholas is more about his IQ and gullibility imo.
The whole paternity thing is quite complicated and i legitimately hope the child doesnt go through what gyspy went through
LOL she is the abusive one!!! She was fine taking from children and did need the procedures she had
@@sarahh8596what the fuck are you even saying?? You saying she made her mom do those things?? Fucking crazy bitch
Yeah, honestly, all that matters is the kid and their wellbeing. I hope she can reflect on her own life and maybe make different choices as a mother. I hope the cycle doesn't repeat itself. I'd like to think, she'd want to do things differently.
What did ms gypsy go through?
@@imjustagirl her mom abused her for years. She’s not perfect and people hate her for it.
She should have never gotten out of prison. She is obviously so manipulative and dangerous
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I am Autistic and I feel that a lot of people just don't understand what it is like. I spent my entire school experiences in special education and before I was blessed to receive Early Intervention Therapy, I was clinically diagnosed to be lower functioning than kids with Down's Syndrome at the time. I feel that there's a misrepresentation and misunderstanding in society when it comes to having Autism. Some of us can't physically be around other people when they get angry and I've never known anyone on the spectrum that had experienced psychotic ruminations to where they were willing to cause violence for the sole purpose of ending another person's existence. I can't speak for everyone but I honestly can't stand when people use developmental disabilities as an excuse to do something or a reason why they did something horrid. Thank you for what you said and for shedding luminosity upon the subject! Your videos help me when I have sensory overloads and they are always really cool to watch. Thank you for spending the time to make these videos! 🙏✌️
It shouldn’t be an excuse but these diagnoses should still be brought up
“Shedding luminosity” is a beautiful phrase. I like it. 😊
@@noodlepoodlegirlIt gave me a chuckle. 😊 I'm a fan of flowery verbiage. Not the dummy they thought!!!
Thank you for sharing. I don't think it's being used as an excuse, but it's definitely not being taken into consideration, which I believe it personally should. As I'm sure you are well aware ASD is a vast spectrum and effects everyone differently. What you might find easy, someone else might find extremely hard and visa versa. I have two children on the spectrum both on the severe end but both completely different and to the with different needs. I do agree it is no excuse to use it as a defence, but I feel to understand Nick as a person, his thought process and how vulnerable he was to manipulation it should at least be taken into consideration. Nick has always admitted his part and taken responsibility and for sure, he deserves to pay for his part in the crime. Just infuriating the person who manipulated him is as free a a bird.
Its how she says "I was a part of the crime, but not the act" ...like WHAT??