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The French AI is suicidal on getting your throne. I had an Alliance with Spain, Austria and Portugal and yet the fool attacked me just a week after gaining the CB despite being crippled after the war with England.
I really like this strat, the one I did when I completed my "Mary of Lothar" achievements was 1.France doesn't rival you and you ally them 2. Papal states rivals and excommunicated Provonce 3. France attacks England, and will eventually decline the call to help Provonce (since you're allied they won't help due to attuited towards enemy) 4. You can annex all of Lorraine and Provonce (other than Anjou) with no coalition due to the excommunication war CB. 5. Break the alliance with France, improve with their vassals so you can get the mission that gives +50% liberty desire, then attack them when your truce is up. basically for here on out use the start in your vidoe, except you can get almost all of Provonce at the start.
I'd avoid the English at first as allies, just because the 100 years war will likely happen one way or another. Just seems like they are a nonfactor early, and Calais is a good place to snag.
@@LudietHistoria Except my French War never goes as smoothly as yours did in the video so the English help was really necessary. I swear I'm playing a different build or something because events never play out for me like they do in Ludi's begginers guides.
I enjoy your guides, but I have spent some time on different ideas regarding the Burgundy start. Hope you will consider them for your next Burgundy game An easy one - set your Bordeaux merchant to establish communities - this gives a 15% relations bonus with all the French vassals French cores - Day 1 Go to diplo screen select Nevers and seize Rethelios Release Rethelois as Champagne Go to estates and pick strong duchies (because you now have 2 vassals) There you go you now have a vassal with 3 French cores (plus one in Orleans), and you just got another diplo slot. This means that you CAN now seize Paris in the first war. England - I always like to take Caux following the surrender of Maine before attacking France Get your troops into your Northern lands - I often ask France for access before I rival them Fabricate a claim on Caux. You can use hostile trading and remember to rival them. If RNGesus loves you the diet can give you a claim (assuming you rivalled England beforehand) Place two separate units of cavalry in Picardie and wait for the surrender of Maine. And wait. When the surrender of Maine occurs, pause the game, declare war on England for Caux, send one cavalry unit to Caux, and put Charles on the other unit and send it to Caen. Charles will arrive before the French, who will happily seige down the fort for you :) Whilst your PU's seige down Calais. When Portugal arrive (14k usually) kill them, because you are holding 2 English forts and the war goal you should have plenty of points to take the province. So King of the Franks is 18 = starting 10 + 1 Paris + 2 Provence + 4 Champange cores + 1 English The best way to deal with the Burgundian inhertance is to already have France as a Vassal. Then select the France option - You instantly inherit all your PU's and vassals for free including France :) And because France doesn't exist you aren't in a PU
Yes! After 20 tries I could ever get a max of like 3 vassals, most attempts failed or took too long and France had annexed most of the vassals already. The releasing of champagne is the key differentiator. First try with your strategy, captured caux, then war with France / cobeligerent Provence, took the 2 Provence provinces , returned the 4 champagne cores and took Paris, only France would join the coalition. Cored Paris and by 1461 I completed king of the Franks. Could've been faster if Aragon had joined the war. Brilliant strategy! Thanks.
@@GerlofKasma Glad you liked it - you want part two ? France war #2 - Armagnac Cores Seize the two provinces from Armagnac (Rougergue and La Marche), then give Armagnac their freedom, yes release them as a vassal because they now hate you so much - lol Firstly release Rougergue as Toulouse (order is important) - gives cores on FIVE of Frances remaining provinces Secondly release La Marche as Gascony - Gives cores on three more French provinces + Armagnac who you just released + the two English provinces Labourd and Bordeaux (and Foix if you need them) Don't forget that Orleans already has a core on Touraine Annex Nevers and Champagne if you get the chance - France war #2 should be easy - even if they have decent allies Take as much as you can - you have NINE cores plus Labourd and Bordeaux if France has them - and they will generate almost no AE Remember the goal is make France small enough to vassalize them. So you can abdicate Charles - select to be in a PU under your own vassal - inherit everthing - and look loving at your big purple blob - Blue is so last years colour
@@majicjon ok, that would've been the clever way to do it. I ended up declaring on Savoi to pull France in (they had a guarantee on them). Released Toulouse and took land to get up to 100%. Declared on Brittany to pull France in again, did white peace to get the duration down to 5 years. Declared directly to take land, then broke peace and vassalised by 1495, Charles died a year afterwards... (Had to kill the game twice to extend his tenure slightly). I think all in all, with Aragon in the first war and a bit smarter play around the reconquest on cores, you could have France vassalised by 1480? What's your fastest?
Just did this, even got the papal controller before peacing out Provence and france, sieged down the entirety of france and it's vassals, i should perhaps not have sieged down his vassals but most of them went under 50 liberty desire, my vassal svarm did so and Aragon, i put France 700 ducats in debt, and now only Orleans has over 50 liberty desire, how many vassals did you get? Think i will try this again and not involve Aragon or any allies and controll my vassals better so to not attack any of his vassals.
i played it ... and died as i wasn't really careful and coalition owuldn't let me peace out until 99% WS but if you get MArie , and she dies.... she's reborn for the inheritance! a true miracle!
Add Burgundy to my list of nations to play. I rarely play them but this guide makes me want to try it out. I’m still doing an England run from your first guide though. You put out guides way faster than I can play the actual game. 🤣
so here once again a tip of mine for burgundy. once you annex nevers you can release champagne as a vassal in the province of rethles which has cores on the 4 provinces around paris since they have high def its a pretty neat reconquest cb :)
you can even seize rethel from nevers and release champagne at the start, this also allows you to pick the stong duchies policy from the nobility wich is supperb. and if you pick the union under france during the crisis you inherit everything for free followed by an easy independence war with the help of austria and any rival of france
It is cool how much missions you can do in like in a time of couple of days and it is cool how you have the same estates start for almost all nations. And do Muscovy next pls, great vid!
Your EU4 guide is so great and you update very quick. I did finish Burgundy in golden century patch. The choice was limit back in that day, because France has better econ and may have many strong allies. I have to find Pope and Savoy to declare Provence first to bring France in war. This Burgundy is very much improved
Great video as always. You've been pumping out some Quality eu4 content recently with these guides. Got anymore plans for combat guides? Perhaps a naval one?
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Great video but i think taking advantage of Burgundian Succession event is a great opportunity. If you have heir after Charles, i recommend killing he because annexing all of your subjects without waiting and dippower cost is amazing. Besides before triggering the event you can get as much provinces as you can without worrying ae because coalition cannot be formed against junior nation.
There’s one cheeky thing you can do: you can seize land from Nevers from the start and release Champagne, which has cores on all of Ile-de-France except Paris and a core on Valois. Declare for reconquest and take back Champagne’s cores and Paris also. If you white peace Provence early or for cash, you can then attack them for excommunicado and take Verdun and Bar, and make Lorraine into a vassal. If France joins then you can quickly kill their armies again and reset the truce. Taking that completes the requirements for King of Franks and with some luck you will have some French vassals. If not the second best thing you can do is to make sure the duchies win their independence war. You need to cut France’s size as much as possible. I would recommend in the next war, take La Marche and a province you can release Toulouse from and declare for reconquest. Reset truce if you can, and the time should be about 1500. Pray Charles can live until the truce expires or if you don’t think he can make it, trucebreak and vassalise France. The coalition will probably trigger and if that happens force France to release some shit. It doesn’t matter. Then when the inheritance fires just go with France and voila, you integrate all of France plus lowlands for free.
Ludi, did you ever make that Burgandian Inheritence guide as Burgundy? Or can you recommend a guide somewhere that shows you all the options playing as Burgundy? I've been googling, but only see explained mechanics for countries as Austria.
I just spent half my day playing for Burgundy for the first time and it would seem I completely wasted the opportunity to cripple France at the start... But at least I managed to get England on my side and the inheritance didn't get triggered, so in the end it played out quite nicely. Now to swim through the following three centuries of slaughter and expansion!
hey mate, starting burgundy based on this guide, it was mad helpful. having some difficulties starting off, however. am starting off with only 47 ducats and unable to find the estate privileges you selected to start. believe i am playing on 1.31. any tips? cheers.
@ludi I would tweak this guide a little bit. If you seize rethelois of nevers the month before the declaration of war and liberating champagne you can take the strong duchies an reconquest Valois, Reims, Nemours and Troyes for basically no AE. So in the first war you can get Lorraine as a vassal from Provence + Verdun (I took all HRE related things - I didn't want to risk that they would become a HRE member). And then the reconquest of champagne of France. After this war is won, France is greatly weaken.
@@LudietHistoria, I go just through this Burgundy playthrough myself. First: Your guide + my little tweaks work. Second: As Burgundy my main bottleneck is AE - if you manage to ally Austria a small Coalition within the Empire is ok, but should be avoided is possible as long as any major player like France, England or Castille/Spain/Aragon stay out of it. I recommend therefore the "take one province" in one war and reconquer the rest later tactics. A war against England in the 1450 could be part of this guide. I recommend taking Caen to form Normandy. If France manages somehow to pacify / integrate its vassals try to take labourd and form gascony. Gascon cores never expire due to Gascon culture. You can also try to throw someone like Brittany or Switzerland under the bus. I mean you pick on them, attack them, take away all their alliances, take their money war reps and hope someone like England or France or even rest-Provence take them on... and when they are down to one province or don't even exist anymore sweep in... vassalize the rest / or take the one province to need to reconquest. This tactics work for Burgundy I found out - but they need the right ideas. I tried Quantity and Economics but that was a poor choice in the Burgundian situation. Influence + Admin seem far more appropriate. I'll try them in a rerun. I conquered only three provinces directly till 1495 but I integrated the champagne, lorraine, nevers and normandy and had Brittany and Gascony as vassals when the Burgundian Inheritance striked. The Burgundian Inheritance is quite simpel if you killed of France. First you stay independent. If you picked 35-40 years on France they don't even attack and if they do - they are the attacker and Austria helps you... The French attack is just some free money. Then the Emperor demands the lowlands and you take the inherit it with a priviledge option... if you are allied + RM the emperor will accept it. From there I'm not so sure what's best... stay in the empire to pick of the necessary provinces to form Lotharingia or to dismantle the whole thing as fast as possible... What's your take? I tried the former... it works but it's a littlebit slow.
I've tried this starting strat a few times, once successfully, but on several other attempts France's vassals still join the war on the side of France upon my declaration, even after League of the Public Weal is completed. Anyone have any advice? I wonder what I'm missing...
In my recent Burgundy game I had the bizarre luck that instead of Provence the Papal States excommunicated France. Made it really easy to conquer them first. Also, I strongly disagree with trying to avoid the Burgundian Inheritance from happening. Two of the options in the BI (integrate with the French and integrate with Austria) give you all you PU's and vassals for free, pretty much doubling (or even tripling, if you managed to do the King of the Franks mission before the BI) your dev and troops and the one where you stay independent also gives you an option to instantly integrate all the PU's for free (with a small, temporary autonomy malus). Besides that, you can use the integration with France or Austria to permanently cripple France or Austria in an independence war. If you played it right at the start, staying independent shouldn't be an issue either. Austria shouldn't declare on you if you are allied and you should already have killed France enough that them declaring in you is only in your advantage, since that declaration ignores truces and you can easily get even more stuff from them that way. The new BI is incredibly strong when played right and in avoiding it, you're giving yourself a huge disadvantage.
Yeah, I agree, for an experienced player who know what he's doing, getting the BI done is a good thing. I will cover all choices to be taken from it and will do a video only focusing on the BI and showing how to get through it with the best outcome!
I don't think the strategy to make France's vassals disloyal works if you have Aragon help you out in the war vs France & Provence. Correct? Is it better do to this solo and put the Low Countries and Nevers on supportive or defensive?
Good strategy. Why not abuse the Reconquest CB by releasing Champagne? Just seize Rethel after you placate subjects, make Nevers loyal again, then you can use the CB for Troyes, Reims and Nemours. Allows for AE budgeting and the ability to take Paris without a coalition rising up.
I usually switch my merchant from Bordeux to Rhineland because of caravan power. Bordeoux only has one way to flow so you autimatically pull trade power from there but Rhineland has multiple places to flow so your trade power isnt directly pulling it to champagne
I don't like getting provence's provinces in the french war. Instead, I like to get paris first. Then I go to war with provence once their truce is done and take the 4 provinces. Also, you absolutely should ally austria so that during the burgundian inheritance, they don't take anything.
The mission doesn't give France vassals enough liberty desire to be disloyal anymore... I did this basically three times in a row and everytime they either are around 51% or, for most of them, at 48~46 liberty desire, thus remaining loyal. ...
Just tried this strategy. It ended up being this incredibly annoying war where I’d take Paris and Chartres and then when I moved on to another city France would take them back. Those provinces exchanged hands three times before Aragon did a separate peace when they ran out of manpower, leaving me to get utterly annihilated. At one point I had a war score of 28% and by the time I ragequit I was -14%. I haven’t wanted to throw my laptop across the room this much since I lost a Champions League final in Football Manager 2008.
Dude I need a guide on how to keep the reformation from ripping me to shreds as emperor of HRE. They keeps switching to protestant after the Catholics win the league war
I dunno if I'm doing anything wrong, but I tried to defeat France now on three different attempt but I'm still getting rekt by france, half their vassals and mailand. Also Aragon and Austria are my allies, but neither of them will join my offensive wars, even if they are rivaling France. So what am I doing wrong ?
Excellent guide, though I have a question: Would it be good to select exploration ideas as the 1st-2nd idea group and try to get colonies in the new world?
No yeah I 100% messed this up, not only did none of France's vassals go over 50%, Aragon also rivalled me, forcing me to ally with Castille, who is unwilling to fight for land.
They get 50% from the event, and having the French in debt and high exhaustion from english war plus me declaring too brings them up a lot. They dropped below 50% after I carpet sieged france but after 2 years, when I peaced France they all became disloyal cause I asked France for all its money and they has a ton of loans
exactly, all of their subjects were below 50% disloyal so I had to fight them aswell. I got call for peace when I only had 50% war score on france aswell and it's vassals were still loyal
Сначала повышаем стабильность, затем даём привилегии и только потом нанимаем советников. Так будет не только дешевле содержание, но и их стоимость найма
If their vassals are still not at 50% over liberty desire, then stackwipe the French army and that will make the vassals disloyal again, or after you enact the mission they instantly get 50% liberty desire to support their independence, thus they won't help france
Did everything you did, Aragon didn't even attempt to seige down Rousillon and my AI PU morons didn't follow me anywhere and I got destroyed by the French Army.
I should make a video about all the ways my attempts diverge from yours, even though I try them about a dozen times each before getting too frustrated and switching games.
But getting the Burgundian inheritance lets you autointegrate your PU's at no Diplo cost, lets you join the HRE almost always, and that's nessisary for your missions.
@@LudietHistoria but then you have to either become emperor outside the HRE or destroy the HRE, right? For the rightmost tree. Either way you want to be forming the HRE after Lotharingia because you can stack insane modifiers. Also afaik if you know how the event works the worst outcome is France not declaring war on you, and the best is them hopelessly trying to fight and you getting Paris years earlier than you ought to. Integrating the lowlands for free, admittedly with 50 min autonomy for 20 years, is solo good and let's you take advantage of stealing France's subjects.
@@InnsannaStories you should have france' subjects before the event triggers but if you trigger it early on you can do it then, you're right...the thing is most new players won't know how to deal with it to get the outcome you're mentioning, and I didn't want the guide to be 26 mins long so will be covering more in depth the event in it's own video in the near future!
@@LudietHistoria alright! Yeah, it's an event chain that can go south quick if you don't understand it, but freeing up 3 Diplo slots and saving a few decades, as well as Diplo points, is so huge, as well as getting to join the HRE and basically being garunteed emperorship.
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tho this video was entertaning i would love to see a seperate video on the burgundian crisis and the different possiblities
Yeah, definitely will do that, didn't include it all since it would end up a 25m video and it's already quite long
@@LudietHistoria same here! I'd love to see it since you're making very well put, made and thorough videos!
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The French AI is suicidal on getting your throne. I had an Alliance with Spain, Austria and Portugal and yet the fool attacked me just a week after gaining the CB despite being crippled after the war with England.
He doesn't get the cb it's a immediate war
I really like this strat, the one I did when I completed my "Mary of Lothar" achievements was
1.France doesn't rival you and you ally them
2. Papal states rivals and excommunicated Provonce
3. France attacks England, and will eventually decline the call to help Provonce (since you're allied they won't help due to attuited towards enemy)
4. You can annex all of Lorraine and Provonce (other than Anjou) with no coalition due to the excommunication war CB.
5. Break the alliance with France, improve with their vassals so you can get the mission that gives +50% liberty desire, then attack them when your truce is up. basically for here on out use the start in your vidoe, except you can get almost all of Provonce at the start.
Mission: English alliance
Way to complete it: Rival England
Lol
Hungary has the same feature with Poland, I think.
I restarted 15 times and every single time England rivaled me as Burgundy, I'm not sure why they even give you the option to ally them.
I want to thank you Ludi, because my roommate walked in on me watching your videos he just bought the base game and absolutely loves it.
Ahahah am happy to hear that! Hope you guys have a great time playing eu4 together!
I'd avoid the English at first as allies, just because the 100 years war will likely happen one way or another. Just seems like they are a nonfactor early, and Calais is a good place to snag.
Yeah, exactly, best to just rival England tbh
@@LudietHistoria Except my French War never goes as smoothly as yours did in the video so the English help was really necessary. I swear I'm playing a different build or something because events never play out for me like they do in Ludi's begginers guides.
I enjoy your guides, but I have spent some time on different ideas regarding the Burgundy start. Hope you will consider them for your next Burgundy game
An easy one - set your Bordeaux merchant to establish communities - this gives a 15% relations bonus with all the French vassals
French cores - Day 1
Go to diplo screen select Nevers and seize Rethelios
Release Rethelois as Champagne
Go to estates and pick strong duchies (because you now have 2 vassals)
There you go you now have a vassal with 3 French cores (plus one in Orleans), and you just got another diplo slot. This means that you CAN now seize Paris in the first war.
England - I always like to take Caux following the surrender of Maine before attacking France
Get your troops into your Northern lands - I often ask France for access before I rival them
Fabricate a claim on Caux. You can use hostile trading and remember to rival them. If RNGesus loves you the diet can give you a claim (assuming you rivalled England beforehand)
Place two separate units of cavalry in Picardie and wait for the surrender of Maine. And wait.
When the surrender of Maine occurs, pause the game, declare war on England for Caux, send one cavalry unit to Caux, and put Charles on the other unit and send it to Caen.
Charles will arrive before the French, who will happily seige down the fort for you :) Whilst your PU's seige down Calais.
When Portugal arrive (14k usually) kill them, because you are holding 2 English forts and the war goal you should have plenty of points to take the province.
So King of the Franks is 18 = starting 10 + 1 Paris + 2 Provence + 4 Champange cores + 1 English
The best way to deal with the Burgundian inhertance is to already have France as a Vassal. Then select the France option - You instantly inherit all your PU's and vassals for free including France :) And because France doesn't exist you aren't in a PU
Yes! After 20 tries I could ever get a max of like 3 vassals, most attempts failed or took too long and France had annexed most of the vassals already. The releasing of champagne is the key differentiator. First try with your strategy, captured caux, then war with France / cobeligerent Provence, took the 2 Provence provinces , returned the 4 champagne cores and took Paris, only France would join the coalition. Cored Paris and by 1461 I completed king of the Franks. Could've been faster if Aragon had joined the war. Brilliant strategy! Thanks.
@@GerlofKasma Glad you liked it - you want part two ?
France war #2 - Armagnac Cores
Seize the two provinces from Armagnac (Rougergue and La Marche), then give Armagnac their freedom, yes release them as a vassal because they now hate you so much - lol
Firstly release Rougergue as Toulouse (order is important) - gives cores on FIVE of Frances remaining provinces
Secondly release La Marche as Gascony - Gives cores on three more French provinces + Armagnac who you just released + the two English provinces Labourd and Bordeaux (and Foix if you need them)
Don't forget that Orleans already has a core on Touraine
Annex Nevers and Champagne if you get the chance - France war #2 should be easy - even if they have decent allies
Take as much as you can - you have NINE cores plus Labourd and Bordeaux if France has them - and they will generate almost no AE
Remember the goal is make France small enough to vassalize them.
So you can abdicate Charles - select to be in a PU under your own vassal - inherit everthing - and look loving at your big purple blob - Blue is so last years colour
@@majicjon ok, that would've been the clever way to do it. I ended up declaring on Savoi to pull France in (they had a guarantee on them). Released Toulouse and took land to get up to 100%. Declared on Brittany to pull France in again, did white peace to get the duration down to 5 years. Declared directly to take land, then broke peace and vassalised by 1495, Charles died a year afterwards... (Had to kill the game twice to extend his tenure slightly).
I think all in all, with Aragon in the first war and a bit smarter play around the reconquest on cores, you could have France vassalised by 1480? What's your fastest?
Just did this, even got the papal controller before peacing out Provence and france, sieged down the entirety of france and it's vassals, i should perhaps not have sieged down his vassals but most of them went under 50 liberty desire, my vassal svarm did so and Aragon, i put France 700 ducats in debt, and now only Orleans has over 50 liberty desire, how many vassals did you get? Think i will try this again and not involve Aragon or any allies and controll my vassals better so to not attack any of his vassals.
@@JanXXVI I got all 5 vassals handed over in the end.
i played it ... and died as i wasn't really careful and coalition owuldn't let me peace out until 99% WS
but if you get MArie , and she dies.... she's reborn for the inheritance! a true miracle!
Add Burgundy to my list of nations to play. I rarely play them but this guide makes me want to try it out. I’m still doing an England run from your first guide though. You put out guides way faster than I can play the actual game. 🤣
Burgundy seems like a really fun playthrough! I just started a playthrough of it so it goes well!
so here once again a tip of mine for burgundy. once you annex nevers you can release champagne as a vassal in the province of rethles which has cores on the 4 provinces around paris since they have high def its a pretty neat reconquest cb :)
you can even seize rethel from nevers and release champagne at the start, this also allows you to pick the stong duchies policy from the nobility wich is supperb.
and if you pick the union under france during the crisis you inherit everything for free followed by an easy independence war with the help of austria and any rival of france
It is cool how much missions you can do in like in a time of couple of days and it is cool how you have the same estates start for almost all nations. And do Muscovy next pls, great vid!
So glad I found this channel. Eu4 guides on the current version are super hard to find.
Happy to have you with us here Aaron! Will make sure to bring 1 new guide each day!
Your EU4 guide is so great and you update very quick. I did finish Burgundy in golden century patch. The choice was limit back in that day, because France has better econ and may have many strong allies. I have to find Pope and Savoy to declare Provence first to bring France in war.
This Burgundy is very much improved
Thanks for teh support bro! yeah Burgundy definitely has a lot of flavor and possibilities now, it's actually quite a lot of fun playing as them!
Great video as always. You've been pumping out some Quality eu4 content recently with these guides. Got anymore plans for combat guides? Perhaps a naval one?
Thank you for the kind words Pikerlord! Yeah, I am gonna do videos for the MILITARY SCHOOL series of guides also, with the next one being a guide for your Admin ideas, and after that will do a Fleet Guide, but I might do them in reverse order if people want that
This channel deserves more. Love your videos!
Thank you so much for the kind words Lemonyzz06!
Great video but i think taking advantage of Burgundian Succession event is a great opportunity. If you have heir after Charles, i recommend killing he because annexing all of your subjects without waiting and dippower cost is amazing. Besides before triggering the event you can get as much provinces as you can without worrying ae because coalition cannot be formed against junior nation.
I like the style of your guides, keep it up. Definitely worthy of a subscribe. :)
Great video Ludi! Helping me immensely :)
Happy to help!
Still better than Himmler's Burgundy
TNO HOI4 reference of course
Ahahah yeah, agreed, better :p
Very cool video bro.
I've never played burgundy (even as a French), I'll do for sure in the next hours because of you
Let me know how it goes! ^_^
what country will be your next playthrough, I think spain or Austria would be cool
Playthrough? I have to finish teh Two sicilies first, and after will do a Byzantium one :P
The pope, how to delay reformation
I will cover the papal states also, probably in a week or so
There’s one cheeky thing you can do: you can seize land from Nevers from the start and release Champagne, which has cores on all of Ile-de-France except Paris and a core on Valois. Declare for reconquest and take back Champagne’s cores and Paris also.
If you white peace Provence early or for cash, you can then attack them for excommunicado and take Verdun and Bar, and make Lorraine into a vassal. If France joins then you can quickly kill their armies again and reset the truce. Taking that completes the requirements for King of Franks and with some luck you will have some French vassals. If not the second best thing you can do is to make sure the duchies win their independence war. You need to cut France’s size as much as possible.
I would recommend in the next war, take La Marche and a province you can release Toulouse from and declare for reconquest. Reset truce if you can, and the time should be about 1500. Pray Charles can live until the truce expires or if you don’t think he can make it, trucebreak and vassalise France.
The coalition will probably trigger and if that happens force France to release some shit. It doesn’t matter. Then when the inheritance fires just go with France and voila, you integrate all of France plus lowlands for free.
very helpful guide
I like how you used my advice.
Thanks for the advice!
A guide to how to do the PU wars due to Burgundian Inheritance sounds great!
Awesome! Happy to see you are interested in one! Will add it to my list of guides to do!
@@LudietHistoria thanks for the heart !
@@dizon8629 you deserve it Di Zon ^_^
Yes! We need Burgundian Inheirtance and how to PU all Electors!
Ludi, did you ever make that Burgandian Inheritence guide as Burgundy? Or can you recommend a guide somewhere that shows you all the options playing as Burgundy? I've been googling, but only see explained mechanics for countries as Austria.
I just spent half my day playing for Burgundy for the first time and it would seem I completely wasted the opportunity to cripple France at the start... But at least I managed to get England on my side and the inheritance didn't get triggered, so in the end it played out quite nicely. Now to swim through the following three centuries of slaughter and expansion!
Congratulations for you fantastic channel!
Thank you very much for the kind words!
burgundy belongs to france as "La bourgogne"
meh, this is bias French person talking :p YOU MEAN FRANCE BELONGS TO BURGUNDY >.
@@LudietHistoria no u
nbdy expects the spanish inheritance of burgundy!
you could size land from neveres and creat new vassal on this land who have 1 core on france, and by that you can attack on reconqeust with 50% AE
hey mate, starting burgundy based on this guide, it was mad helpful. having some difficulties starting off, however. am starting off with only 47 ducats and unable to find the estate privileges you selected to start. believe i am playing on 1.31. any tips? cheers.
I would appreciate a burgandian inheritence guide because whenever I play as france or Austria I dont get it
Sure thing, I can do a guide specifically for the Burgundian inheritance!
@@LudietHistoria Yes please!
Here’s some advice
1.RM burgundy
2.Pray to paradox gods
3.???
4.Profit
@@zonelet372 thanks but you forgot to pray to RNGeseus
@ludi
I would tweak this guide a little bit.
If you seize rethelois of nevers the month before the declaration of war and liberating champagne you can take the strong duchies an reconquest Valois, Reims, Nemours and Troyes for basically no AE.
So in the first war you can get Lorraine as a vassal from Provence + Verdun (I took all HRE related things - I didn't want to risk that they would become a HRE member). And then the reconquest of champagne of France. After this war is won, France is greatly weaken.
Oh dude that's actually a brilliant move! Will add that in when I redo teh guide for 1.31!
@@LudietHistoria, I go just through this Burgundy playthrough myself.
First: Your guide + my little tweaks work.
Second: As Burgundy my main bottleneck is AE - if you manage to ally Austria a small Coalition within the Empire is ok, but should be avoided is possible as long as any major player like France, England or Castille/Spain/Aragon stay out of it.
I recommend therefore the "take one province" in one war and reconquer the rest later tactics. A war against England in the 1450 could be part of this guide. I recommend taking Caen to form Normandy.
If France manages somehow to pacify / integrate its vassals try to take labourd and form gascony. Gascon cores never expire due to Gascon culture.
You can also try to throw someone like Brittany or Switzerland under the bus. I mean you pick on them, attack them, take away all their alliances, take their money war reps and hope someone like England or France or even rest-Provence take them on... and when they are down to one province or don't even exist anymore sweep in... vassalize the rest / or take the one province to need to reconquest.
This tactics work for Burgundy I found out - but they need the right ideas. I tried Quantity and Economics but that was a poor choice in the Burgundian situation. Influence + Admin seem far more appropriate. I'll try them in a rerun.
I conquered only three provinces directly till 1495 but I integrated the champagne, lorraine, nevers and normandy and had Brittany and Gascony as vassals when the Burgundian Inheritance striked.
The Burgundian Inheritance is quite simpel if you killed of France.
First you stay independent. If you picked 35-40 years on France they don't even attack and if they do - they are the attacker and Austria helps you... The French attack is just some free money.
Then the Emperor demands the lowlands and you take the inherit it with a priviledge option... if you are allied + RM the emperor will accept it.
From there I'm not so sure what's best... stay in the empire to pick of the necessary provinces to form Lotharingia or to dismantle the whole thing as fast as possible... What's your take?
I tried the former... it works but it's a littlebit slow.
I've tried this starting strat a few times, once successfully, but on several other attempts France's vassals still join the war on the side of France upon my declaration, even after League of the Public Weal is completed. Anyone have any advice? I wonder what I'm missing...
I just tried this this evening and had the same thing happen, but also couldn't get any of France's rivals/my allies to join the war.
I love how they improved Burgundy in 1.30, although I think they may have been made a little too OP
Nahh they not OP. If you don't know how to handle them you can easily get rekt
They have a lot of precarious stuff to survive and not a lot of obvious expansion paths and are surrounded by strong tough enemies. Not OP.
In my recent Burgundy game I had the bizarre luck that instead of Provence the Papal States excommunicated France. Made it really easy to conquer them first.
Also, I strongly disagree with trying to avoid the Burgundian Inheritance from happening. Two of the options in the BI (integrate with the French and integrate with Austria) give you all you PU's and vassals for free, pretty much doubling (or even tripling, if you managed to do the King of the Franks mission before the BI) your dev and troops and the one where you stay independent also gives you an option to instantly integrate all the PU's for free (with a small, temporary autonomy malus). Besides that, you can use the integration with France or Austria to permanently cripple France or Austria in an independence war.
If you played it right at the start, staying independent shouldn't be an issue either. Austria shouldn't declare on you if you are allied and you should already have killed France enough that them declaring in you is only in your advantage, since that declaration ignores truces and you can easily get even more stuff from them that way.
The new BI is incredibly strong when played right and in avoiding it, you're giving yourself a huge disadvantage.
Yeah, I agree, for an experienced player who know what he's doing, getting the BI done is a good thing. I will cover all choices to be taken from it and will do a video only focusing on the BI and showing how to get through it with the best outcome!
I don't think the strategy to make France's vassals disloyal works if you have Aragon help you out in the war vs France & Provence. Correct? Is it better do to this solo and put the Low Countries and Nevers on supportive or defensive?
Good strategy. Why not abuse the Reconquest CB by releasing Champagne?
Just seize Rethel after you placate subjects, make Nevers loyal again, then you can use the CB for Troyes, Reims and Nemours. Allows for AE budgeting and the ability to take Paris without a coalition rising up.
Thanks man for the advice video 😉
My pleasure man, happy it helped!
I usually switch my merchant from Bordeux to Rhineland because of caravan power. Bordeoux only has one way to flow so you autimatically pull trade power from there but Rhineland has multiple places to flow so your trade power isnt directly pulling it to champagne
Actually that's a super good point there! Bordeaux only has 1 point so it's better to put it in Rhineland!
@@LudietHistoria + you get caravan power bonus since rhineland is a inland trade node which is your total dev ÷ 3 = extra trade power
I don't like getting provence's provinces in the french war. Instead, I like to get paris first. Then I go to war with provence once their truce is done and take the 4 provinces. Also, you absolutely should ally austria so that during the burgundian inheritance, they don't take anything.
Please make a video about Burgundian inheritance. We really need it.
The mission doesn't give France vassals enough liberty desire to be disloyal anymore...
I did this basically three times in a row and everytime they either are around 51% or, for most of them, at 48~46 liberty desire, thus remaining loyal. ...
Just tried this strategy. It ended up being this incredibly annoying war where I’d take Paris and Chartres and then when I moved on to another city France would take them back. Those provinces exchanged hands three times before Aragon did a separate peace when they ran out of manpower, leaving me to get utterly annihilated. At one point I had a war score of 28% and by the time I ragequit I was -14%. I haven’t wanted to throw my laptop across the room this much since I lost a Champions League final in Football Manager 2008.
Wow I didn’t know that burgundy’s mission were that powerful. Without there vassals the French had no chance
Yeah, Burgundy has the chance to take all the French vassals away from them, so if you play it well you can be a superpower quite early on!
All vassal of them are useless except orlean
Dude I need a guide on how to keep the reformation from ripping me to shreds as emperor of HRE. They keeps switching to protestant after the Catholics win the league war
U want to force religion any country that spawns religions centre as soon as it happens. And do that over and over. Its anoying but it is what it is
Another big like 👍😉
I dunno if I'm doing anything wrong, but I tried to defeat France now on three different attempt but I'm still getting rekt by france, half their vassals and mailand. Also Aragon and Austria are my allies, but neither of them will join my offensive wars, even if they are rivaling France. So what am I doing wrong ?
I have a question, isnt it better to have forts mothballed during peace time rather than destroying them?
Depends. If the fort is in a bad defensive location just destroy it. If its a great fort in a good defensive position you can mothball it
Great Video, but you should've picked Ron Burgundy for the Thumbnail!
You can do placate subjects on day one by temporarily supporting loyalists then taking it off just to save time and micro oh nvm you said it
Yup mention that ahaha xD
Excellent guide, though I have a question: Would it be good to select exploration ideas as the 1st-2nd idea group and try to get colonies in the new world?
If you want a colonial empire it's a good idea but I would take it as a 2nd idea set
No yeah I 100% messed this up, not only did none of France's vassals go over 50%, Aragon also rivalled me, forcing me to ally with Castille, who is unwilling to fight for land.
nice video!!
Thanks for the visit Salander!
Yes, but when do you form Prussia? ;)
they should add a rare feature, the reverse inheritance(if both austria and france die with the conditions of the burgundian inheritance)
That would be a lot of fun to see
But it would make the achievment "reversed inheritence" to easy dont you think ?
@@Fourbix forgot about that
Can you do a video on Savoy!
Everything is nice but how did you managed to keep french subjects LD above 60 when in my game they have all 50% or less
They get 50% from the event, and having the French in debt and high exhaustion from english war plus me declaring too brings them up a lot. They dropped below 50% after I carpet sieged france but after 2 years, when I peaced France they all became disloyal cause I asked France for all its money and they has a ton of loans
exactly, all of their subjects were below 50% disloyal so I had to fight them aswell. I got call for peace when I only had 50% war score on france aswell and it's vassals were still loyal
@@mandarin48 yeah you will have to fight them also to get 100%
The most important question, however, wasn't answered. What about changing the Burgundian tag to the French one?
what's the point in starting as Burgundy then, you might as well start with France from the start.
Сначала повышаем стабильность, затем даём привилегии и только потом нанимаем советников. Так будет не только дешевле содержание, но и их стоимость найма
Make Bulgaria guide!
lol every time I played Burgundy my whole campaign got screwed up but I'm sure this'll work
Do these starting moves and you'll be good!
Man, the Duke always die 1-2 years in game for me, how should I proceed?
Merci
Does anyone know what to do about the dutch revolts as burgundy?
I still end up fighting their vassels and they are sweeping me with a 50k stack what am i doing wrong. I got the mission and enacted it
If their vassals are still not at 50% over liberty desire, then stackwipe the French army and that will make the vassals disloyal again, or after you enact the mission they instantly get 50% liberty desire to support their independence, thus they won't help france
@@LudietHistoria So easy, just stackwipe the French army! Then PU Ming, and presto world conquest.
very good i will do it though i never give the priviliages
My heir and king died on the same day. Ten years before in the clear.
Did the same but after I started the war against france every vassal was under 50%
What is the saturday tournament
Will announce tomorrow the tournament nations
Interesting...
bro what happened to the 2 sicilies campaign
I am surprised people are actually watching that tbh ! Tomorrow I will upload both a guide and a 2 sicilies campaign video then!
Did everything you did, Aragon didn't even attempt to seige down Rousillon and my AI PU morons didn't follow me anywhere and I got destroyed by the French Army.
I should make a video about all the ways my attempts diverge from yours, even though I try them about a dozen times each before getting too frustrated and switching games.
But getting the Burgundian inheritance lets you autointegrate your PU's at no Diplo cost, lets you join the HRE almost always, and that's nessisary for your missions.
First 2 are correct but last isn't. You can complete your missions by avoiding it also!
@@LudietHistoria but then you have to either become emperor outside the HRE or destroy the HRE, right? For the rightmost tree. Either way you want to be forming the HRE after Lotharingia because you can stack insane modifiers.
Also afaik if you know how the event works the worst outcome is France not declaring war on you, and the best is them hopelessly trying to fight and you getting Paris years earlier than you ought to. Integrating the lowlands for free, admittedly with 50 min autonomy for 20 years, is solo good and let's you take advantage of stealing France's subjects.
@@InnsannaStories you should have france' subjects before the event triggers but if you trigger it early on you can do it then, you're right...the thing is most new players won't know how to deal with it to get the outcome you're mentioning, and I didn't want the guide to be 26 mins long so will be covering more in depth the event in it's own video in the near future!
@@LudietHistoria alright! Yeah, it's an event chain that can go south quick if you don't understand it, but freeing up 3 Diplo slots and saving a few decades, as well as Diplo points, is so huge, as well as getting to join the HRE and basically being garunteed emperorship.
what is next?
Most likely Muscowy :D
For some reason I get monopoly options and suprmacy option
Tried following the tutorial. Both my ruler and initial heir died within 2 years...
Hey at least I avoided the succession
Burgundian Inheritance. When Going dutch goes well. *badum tss*
Tbh they had pretender rebels and I ignored it for too long xD
In my 2nd game england made me it's rival, but France did not. I'm chilling in london waiting for the slow integration of the low countries.
can you do granada
I can add Granada to my list of Guides to do!
Do a giveaway for CK3!
Pls giveaway of other Paradox Interactive stuff
Noice
Vikkie 2!
Michau is no longer an advisor
Russia pls
Muscowy guide tomorrow or day after!
I would love a Ck3 giveaway
me too :P
King died first month and Aragon rivaled me
hehe first comment i'm crap with burgundy lol
XD
@@spacemarine4954 I love the username, you should put a nice teutonic cross as your profile pic :D
Shalom
hola
Pfffttt UwU👌 now that is what I called a guide to Burgundy unless you fuqed up and the Austrian and France do a partition of your territory 😂
Ahahah, yeah, don't mess that up xD
@@LudietHistoria well in my game play as the Papal State look like they did!!😂
my fucking king jusdt dies every fucking time within the year
We need this, but with native americans.
I can do a native american guide then! Will add it to the list
Wow, thanks!
I didnt thought you would actually consider it.
Burgundy stronk
Definitely stronk xD
Robux giveaway at 100k?
ahahah, sure thing, it's a deal :p
scripted advisor isnt abt anymore
dont give estates monopolies
also, nice guide to the inheritance "dont do it, not worth" gz gz
2/10 you tried. disliked.
WAIT this is a game? I'm just trying to find historical info 😂
Researching my family tree and info on the House of Girard's