Syrian VS Dwarf Hamster Care
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- Today we're talking about about the differences between Syrian and dwarf hamsters! This is a question I'm often asked about- and while they require the same enrichment and have the same needs there are some slight differences in their care! We'll go over their habitat preferences, physical differences like their feet and scent glands and the differences in their diets! By learning these small differences this can help you better care for your hamster!
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0:00 Intro
0:19 the different species
2:50 Where they come from
3:45 Physical differences
6:50 Diet
8:24 Outro
What hamster species do you own? 🐹
i have a male syrian named Romeo and i’m going to adopt another hamster soon! i’m excited to see what i end up with
I own a Syrian hamster called moo moo she’s black and white and your channel is amazing !!
I have a vinter white dwarf but whats your fav??
Dwarf named wasabi and a Robo named jalapeno
I own a Syrian named Latte and Roborovski named Gizmo😊
My hamster would’ve been living in a tiny tails cage with 1 inch of bedding without you! my hamster is gonna be living in a 75 inch aquarium and 10 inches of bedding thanks so much Victoria!
That's great to hear!
@@VictoriaRaechel thanks!, hope penny and nickel are having a good day!
Penny is so ridiculously photogenic. He's so cute.
Thank you haha!!
@@VictoriaRaechel hi! I'm own 4 hamsters, and I'm always watching your videos for some advice, I recently had baby winter white tiger hamsters, and magically the mama gave birth to 2 argente , they are 1 months now, ( I have a golden hamster, two new breeds of argente, and a creme coloured baby syrian, )
The syrian hamster is called Daisy, she is new, and my first syrian, maybe some tips?
I think we can all agree that Victoria is like the best youtuber.
YES😁
Yez
Aw thank you! I'm glad you enjoy my content!
So true😊
Im 33 and just got my first hamster recently (I've had gerbils, rats, and mice in the past but not hamsters). My teenage daughter's friend was rehoming hers after 2 months of having him.
I was on the fence (I had zero plans of adding a pet) until I saw him...
He was in a 10 gallon tank without a lid, with one hide, maybe an inch of bedding, no chews, no food debris in the soiled bedding, a 4 inch wheel (he's a golden Syrian)... He was never given a name either 🫤
I immediately said yes and got his enclosure and supplies ready in a day and picked him up.
He's now my little guy; I named him Rupert. (Like from Family Guy lol)
He loves to be talked to, he is so curious, and likes to come out around 10-11. He's incredibly interactive and loves to burrow in his now nice deep bedding with hidden hides and tunnels, and run on his new big wheel ☺️ he also has enjoyed a small sample of fresh basil, thyme, almonds, cucumber, hard boil egg, and freeze dried pear.
I'm slightly nocturnal thanks to health issues so him and I will have plenty of time together 😂
I think he's around 4 months old so I'm hoping hes around for a while.
I am also picking up a DJ Dwarf in a few days. I have named him after Pascal from Rapunzel.
(Sidekick names from cartoons is evidently my theme here 😂)
I'm a happy hammy mom ❤
They are definitely an underrated little buddy to have...
Poor guy! I bet he's so happy to have ended up in your care! 🥰 Hamster's can be such amazing pets for the right people!
@@VictoriaRaechel I hope he's happy, I'm no expert but learning more and more. They are very interesting little creatures.
He seems pleased and likes interacting which is very rewarding.
That's awesome! I just got my first ever hamster too, as an adult. I spend time hanging by his big ol bincage and watch himself race around and burrow and use his wheel and dig in his sand box. Hamsters are so fun when they have the right environment!
I had Syrians my whole life; but everything changed when I rescued my first Robo. The complete oposite of a Syrian personality wise. Fell in love with them and after he passed I rescued another.
I am currently owned by 1 Syrian and 1 Robo, they couldn't be any more different from eachother. My Syrian girl Hazel is like a puppy; begging to come out and eat food with me. But my Robo is very much "leave me alone" and appart from maybe allowing me to pet him in his enclosure while he eats, he would much rather be zooming around and wheeling. I absolutely love watching Robos, they are so funny and interesting but so freaking cute too. I don't mind having a mostly hands off Robo because I feel like spending the time to gain their trust is really rewarding.
I have a hands off robo too, hes just not a fan of being touched, it's fine, I'm perfectly content to watch him in his enclosure x
It definitely can work for some! But when I'm given such tiny amounts of meds with no extras it's not something I like to risk wasting 🥲
Interesting! I'd love to own a winter white, I love robos too but they are too fast for me and I want a pet I can cuddle after the taming process 😂 I've never owned a hamster so while the day comes I better learn everything about them
I have a hybrid dwarf 4 month old. I really prefer dwarf hams because of how small they are. I find it so much easier and fun to make fun setups. My current setup has a small mountain of broken cork rounds and she loves it.
i also prefer dwarf hammies, i love them all but my hybrid dwarf is the tamest hamster i have ever owned like ive owned multiple syrians and none of them really like being held/interacted with. but my hybrid hammy will run up to me and sit in my hand (or on my foot when she's in her playpen) all day 😂 i just find it funny because i remember when i got her i was told i wouldnt be able to interact with her or hold her because she wouldnt like being held and she would be too fast and i was told to get a syrian because it would be calmer and would love all the attention yet my syrian hamsters try and leap out of my hand whenever they choose to come out 🤣
Syrians are cuter tho
@@PackAdventuresi would say they are both cute :)
@@Hellokittylover-gv6bj yes I agree! They are both so adorable! 🥰 I think Syrians are a little bit cuter in the face tho. 😉
Hello Victoria I just wanted to say thanks for helping my long hair Syrian hamster he used to have a small cage and now he lives in a 750 square inch cage with many different substrates including cork granules and many sprays he loves his cage and 11 inch wheel! His name is guppy!
Good job, that's so sweet!! I hope Guppy has a long and wonderful life :>
I'm proud
I'm sure he's happy with his larger enclosure!
I love this “always observe YOUR hamster and adjust their enclosure based on their behaviours”
Thanks for this vid, it was very interesting and helpful 🐹❤️
Hi Victoria! You may not read this but I really appreciate what you have done. You have made me upgrade and care more about my hamsters well being. I am now giving him a bigger cage and wheel. You have encouraged me to care more about his well being and can’t thank you enough for what you do :)
I'm so happy my channel has been able to help you improve your care! ❤️
Omg my WHOLE for you page is only Victoria Raechel!!! Its like HERE have a Victoria Raechel!!!
I had been wanting a hamster for the longest time after having owned Syrian hamsters with improper care in my childhood. I wanted to do research and stumbled upon your channel. Victoria, you have taught me SO much! I just rescued my Syrian hamster, Hamtaro, from my local shelter yesterday and am happy to say she is going to finally have a happy, healthy rest of her life and it is thanks to you!
I own 2 types. My previous baby passed about a month ago, his a hybrid dwarf hamster. My current 2 hamsters are both Syrians. In terms of size & weight absolutely different. But personality, my dwarf is more attached to me. I miss him dearly.
I'm sorry to hear about your loss!
My sister got a syrian hamster today and if it wasn't for this channel he would be living in a 10 gallon with two inches of bedding. Instead he's in a bin cage with 854 square inches of floor space and 7 inches of bedding and he has a 12 inch wheel.🐹
I’ve Wanted a hamster for a while now, and when I found your channel I new it was a sign. I’ve been watching your videos for the past week relearning everything about them. I can’t wait to get one! Thank you for the help!! ❤❤
Thank u so much Victoria for everything you do!!! We love you!!!
Aw you're sweet! Thank you!
also Victoria its amazing that you reply to your comments and read them! I watch a few animal channels and none of them awnser the comments, and you are the only TH-camr I know who answers their comments!
Aw thank you, I enjoy talking to everyone and try my best to respond as well as I can :)
My hamster passed recently. Yet I still love to watch your videos ❤
I own 2 adopted Robo dwarfs. I love little robos because i just find it so cute when they forage and the way they act in their cage. One of my robos is a ghost hamster but the other one is so sweet and calm like your past hamster tatertot. You have helped my hamster journey so much and i really thank you so much for the advice u have provided for us throughout the years.❤🐹
Great video as always. Very informative 🐹
Hope you and the pets are doing well. ❤
Thank you!! ❤️
Very informative and interesting! Definitely learned something new, especially about the chinese hamsters scent glands. Keep up the good work 💕
Glad you enjoyed!
This is so useful thank you! We will be adopting in April 🥰
So exciting!
I’ve always had dwarf hamsters but I’m planning on getting a Syrian soon and I’m so excited!! This video is super helpful!
Great video as always
Thanks again!
I own a robo hamster! My first ever hamster. He LOVES to burrow. It's his favorite thing. Possibly more than his sandbags or wheel. He's so fun! Especially when he gets zoomies and runs laps around the bincage (stopping briefly for a wheel interlude). Hamsters are fascinating.
I own a hybrid dwarf named Phoebe. She's just about coming up to 2 years old and still acts like a big, dopey, energetic toddler. She loves to sit on my chest with my hand cupped around her back when I'm watching TH-cam videos and will lick my fingers when I stroke her! She loves digging in substrate boxes too. Thanks to the absolute cornucopia of information you've provided I've been able to make my girl content enough to where even vets have little problem examining her when she needs help, and I point potential hamster owners in your direction whenever I can! 💙
I love watching your videos on a Saturday night! ❤️ My friends hamster is nearly 5! ( 7th June )
Ahhhhh I love your new hams!! ❤
Thank you!
I love how her voice immediately raised when she mentioned the robor hammy!😂😂❤❤
You are such a amazing person! My little baby Cookie, I think is a female long haired Syrian, would have lived a life. I am so glad you have videos on hamsters!
I have a rescue robo, no idea how old he is, but I'll enjoy my time with him, however long that is. Hes called Dash... hes super speedy and hard to catch haha
Aw his name suits him well then!
This helped me so much! :D if you ever have time, a more detailed look into their diet would be phenomenal. how much u should feed the species, what should the food contain ect
Thehamingway has a great article on it :) www.thehamingway.com/foodmix
@@VictoriaRaechel tysm! Will definitely look into it
We're getting our first dwarf hamster in two days! Currently watching all your videos (and other hamster channels) to make sure we have everything perfect before picking the wee guy up.
THANK YOU for this video!! I've had a winter white, a Campbell, and we JUST adopted our first Syrian last week!! He's ADORABLE!!! We just need to learn more about Syrians.... our next hamster we're adopting, will be from happy hamstery pure bred winter white❤ right now though.... we're loving up this big floofy boy we have!!!
I'm really hoping to get a robo soon. I'm going through a difficult period in my life where everything is tight, I've been slowly ordering supplies needed and finding items I can use for a proper enclosure for months. Hopefully I'll finally have everything ready before this year is halfway through :)
this was so useful whaaat
i was planning on getting a syrian and now i feel like i have more information i didn’t knew about
I have a Syrian and she is awesome and she is 1 years old and also has a great life thank Victoria for all the good advice you share ❤❤❤❤❤😊
Hi Victoria I love the video and I have a syrian hamster named Ruckus he is so cute thanks for posting I enjoy watching your videos
Hey Victoria, I was watching again a fabulous vid you’ve made! And thought why don’t you use the extra cage underneath for storage? It may work well with some extra treats,bedding etc? Just an idea, no hate! I love your vids!
No Victoria Rachel: Bucky my hamster chewing on bars
With Victoria Raechel: No more chewing on bars
I have a one year old dwarf, and practice cupping him and getting him on my hand with treats, he’s very sweet and respects me, and I respect him. I wouldn’t have done it without u! ( I do it every 3 weeks)
I might get a new ham this year and as a past Syrian owner it’s really helpful to know how I might need to adapt my care if I was to get a dwarf
Your videos are the best!!!!!!
Like you💞
Thank you so much 😀
@@VictoriaRaechel🐹💜🐹
🥰🐹💗Great video. I've only had Syrian hamsters but would love a Dwarf hamster. I love them all.
hello, off topic to the video but i have owned 4 hamsters and my last hamster died last year. im now taking a break from hamsters but thanks to you i had an awesome hamster journey!
Aw I'm happy to hear that!! 🪴🐹
Hi Victoria! I love your vids! Please make a video on making hamster treats, and how often you should give it to them. I have a chineze dwarf. She just turned 3 this febuary! And I'm always trying to make safe treats for her! Love you victoria!❤
I have a lot of DIY treats in my DIY playlist ☺️
Thank you! ❤
I own a roborovski hamster! Weirdly, he is pretty good at climbing even with his fluffy paws 😂
Very informative. Thank you! Always enjoy learning from you.
I have an all-white Syrian hamster named Cujo (yes, like from Stephen King). He got his name from biting directly into a vein in my finger during our first week together, causing a lot of bleeding. All is well now; we have an understanding that I will not try to pick him up. He now flattens his body and closes his eyes peacefully when being pet, and enjoys getting his daily Puff snack by hand.
Hi 👋🏻 I’m brand new here! Just brought home my first ever hamster a few days ago, a male Syrian. It happened very unexpectedly! I work at a pet store and someone brought in their hamster to give up for adoption (doesn’t happen very often thankfully). I hated to think where he might end up and he was very friendly with me right away, so I brought him home in his tiny 10 gallon setup. I immediately hit the books (the internet and TH-cam lol) to learn everything I could about hamster care. I quickly came across your channel and it’s been a godsend! I went from knowing absolutely nothing to now having a very full list of requirements for my new furry friend. Can’t wait to get a giant enclosure for him! I also can share my knowledge with any customers looking to get a hamster. 😊 thank you for sharing what you know and making the world a safer place for hamsters! Now I’m gonna go back to binge watching all of your videos 😂
We have a black bear Syrian hamster named Inky. We love your videos!!! 🐹
I love seeing the old gang again ❤
Hello Victoria, I really really enjoy your videos. I learn so much from you! I'm really thankful. I have a dwarf. I'm so in love. He's so cute and loving. Please, do you have a video of what not to feed them? Thinking of the predisposition for diabetis. Kisses from Brazil ❤
I have a 3.5 month old male Syrian hamster who is still in the process of warming up to me. But I know thru ur videos how to do it properly and not to worry if it takes awhile. Some progress has been made but we are taking it slow :)
I'm including a all-natural seed blend to my hamsters and I've been working pretty well so far
I have 2 Syrians (which are both female) and they would be living together and probably in a tiny tales cage if not for you thanks Victoria.😊
I own a Russian Dwarf hamster named Mocha! Thanks to you he’s living his best life!!! 🐹💕☕️
Have had Syrians and dwarfs. But currently have the most delightful and friendly rescue Robo called Elvis 🎸he’s a little dream boat !
Aw what a sweet name!
Hi Victoria! Sorry this is kind of an unrelated question, but do you mind letting me know how you made your rabbit’s dig box? I saw your pet room tour video (I love it btw) and I saw your dig box for your rabbits. My rabbit Rosie LOVES to dig and I know she would love a dig box! I would also like to build her one, but when I look up tutorials on TH-cam, I can’t seem to find any like yours. I know my rabbit would love a dig box, so would you mind telling me what you used to make yours? Tysm, and keep up the great work that you do❤️🐹🐰
Hi, you'll probably not see this comment but i wanted to thank you, because i am becoming for the first time an hamster owner, and thanks to your videos i managed to give him everything he needed and more, a very large enclosure, a multichamber hideout, large wheel, sprays, correct diet and so much more, i chose a syrian that i will pickup in a few days, the enclosure is already done😊
I have a boy, Syrian Hamster called Joey. He is so sweet and so gental x
Penny and Nickel sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cute! Tonnie as well! Have you managed to tame her yet?
And one question, can hamsters eat snake plants?
I have a dwarf hamster! I love your videos Victoria 🩷🐹
Thank you! 😊
Thanks to you Victoria my hamster was living in a cage 180 square inch’s of floor space and now has 1,360 square inches with a niteangel wheel to one three chamber hide out and one six chamber hide out big sand bath and safe sand so thanks so much (I was wondering why my hamster was getting flung out of the wheel😂) so thank you
I think it would be good if you also explained the differences between male and female hamsters, as they seem to generally have different behaviors or training difficulties. Thank you!
My first hamster was a roborovski that I named Snickerdoodle. He was such a sweetheart and lived for two year before passing away recently. Now my new hamster is a syrian hamster that I named Jethro. He lives in a huge enclosure and has a ton of hideouts. Just recently, he's started to let me pet him 🥰 Hopefully I'll be able to hold him one day but I know it's gunna take time
Aw I'm sorry for your loss! Congrats on starting to gain Jethro's trust though! 🥰
Can you please do another sims 4 video? And very informative I learned a lot!
hi victoria i love your content can you give me some tips before geting a sirian hamster pls !
I own 2. Chinese & Syrian hamsters. I've had the other types before. I love winter whites. Unfortunately, the local pet stores don't have any in stock. 🐾🐾
just got a hamster, felt like his enclosure was too small, so i ordered a new one!! :)
I don't own one yet but I am trying to convince my mom so I was doing research for a year and 3 months so I want to own a robo or winter white hamster. Thank you very much I really love you.
I own a male syrian hamster it took a very short time to get him tame and by one month he was fully tamed he trusts me very much and feels comfortable sitting and eating on my hand i havnt really ever had experience how it is having a dwarf hamster but ill try to get one soon
I have a short hair Syrian male. His name is Gizmo. Had him for 10 months 🥰 he’s so sweet.
Nickel is adorable ❤
Hi there! I had a quick question are there any websites you might know that show/learn to make hamster feed from? also THANK YOU! so much for helping me learn about proper hamster care! your videos are amazing!!!
I haven't come across many in awhile, the one I had used in the past unfortunately not longer exists as the forum was taken down :( Thank you!!
I have a hybrid dwarf hamster. It is interesting the way in some countries they are called 'winter white' even if they are a hybrid. 😊
Hi Victoria, I don't know if you will see this, but I need your help. So I just got a hamster and bought EVERYTHING for him, and my mom said in order to have the hamster I need to keep my room clean (I'm 13 by the way.) , which I do but she says it looks horrible. Also, I have a brother who is two years older than me, and knows nothing about hamsters but loves mine. That's okay, if he knows how to pick him up and be gentle with him, but he is SO ROUGH with him. Today I saw him up so I took the lid off my enclosure to say hi. My brother saw me open the lid and came in there while he was in his sand bath and snatched him out of his sand bath! Since he wasn't holding him right, he jumped out of his hands and almost fell to the ground but he caught him (it's still not okay though). So I was already mad, so I yelled at him, and my mom says I don't even deserve a hamster! Oh, I'm not done yet, when I told him to put him back he tossed him back into the enclosure! I'm a senstive person when It comes to my animals, like I'll cry when my fish die (don't worry I got a ten gallon tank for my betta fish), so I was holding back tears at this point, and all my brother said was "He's fine! It's a soft landing!" But I know that was probably so stressful for him. PLEASE HELP PLEASE :(
I have a teddy Syrian, and he's my third long haired hamster 😊
I personally own a dwarf named Teddy 🧸 luv ur videos, Victoria! ❤
Thank you! 😊
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hi Victoria i have a male syrian hamster and i changed his bedding from wood shavings to the uber paper bedding and he is burrowing a lot
And thank you so much you made me realize that my Hampshire was the best. I know my Hampshire's gonna have an amazing life.
I currently own a Syrian and a Winter White!
thank you for all of your helpful videos! i had just adopted a female long hair syrian hamster today, and am in love with her.
i'll try to remember your tips when i bond with her 💕🐹
edit: i posted some pictures of her on my channel if you were interested!
her name is toast :]
They are all too cute ❤
I currently have a dwarf hamster named cheerio!
I have a syrian. When i picked him up from the animal shelter i saw a round rough patch and was worried he had a fungal infection. I was with a volunteer who didn't know anything about hamsters and her eyes got wide and she panicked and was like omg come wash your hands. Do you want a different hamster? . i was like no i want him I'm not sure that's what it is. Is someone else here? After she left the room i saw the same thing on the other side and was like ok that's too symmetrical for it to be random so i googled it. I felt so silly.
With my third hamster when I noticed them I was so panicked! It's honestly a common mistake when first owning hamsters!
In the past, I had a male Syrian hamster, Speedy. After he passed, I had a female Syrian hamster that I named Dalia. She was really sweet. My past dwarf hamsters were Chipper, Ruby, and Petunia. Now, I have 4 dwarf boys: Moe, Larry, Curly, and Shemp. I adopted the 4 boys from the shelter. Two sets of brothers. I was told that they were bonded and could co-exist in the same habitat. So I placed them in one large enclosure, and I kept my eye on them. Initially, it was adorable seeing all 4 together. They looked like toddlers in a playground. However, I ended up separating them as I noticed fights, nothing major, but it was worrisome enough to separate them. So now, each have their own enclosures. I also knew that separating them would be a possibility, so I was prepared.
The dwarf hamster in the thumbnail looks just like my hamster 😂❤
Hi Victoria! 4-5 days ago I upgraded my dwarf hamster’s bin cage to the pawhut enclosure. He’s been doing fine in the cage but he hasn’t been using his wheel as far as I know unless it’s when I’m sleeping. What should I do?
Just a few hours ago I adopted a baby Syrian. She’s pretty young and needs extra care. I named her waffle!
Congrats on her!
Do you have a vid somewhere of an appropriate balanced diet for a Syrian? I watched the 'safe foods' vid so I have a list, but I'm wondering about ratios. Seeds: fresh veg: fruit? In the 'daily hamster care' vid, it looks like about 1T grains and a small bowl of greens /day. Do you feed any commercial kibble at all? Do you make your own grain /seed mix?
I don't think there is really a ratio of how much you should give each! most people supplement veggies along side seed mix anywhere from daily to 2-3 times a week!
No commercial kibble?
Hi!!!! I have a a long haired Syrian hamster
Me too!!
I have a 4 month old winter white!
I had hybrid dwarf hamster (hybrid because of obtained from pet store), he lived with us 1,5 years and unfortunately died of health issues. I am planning to get pure bread Campbell hamster next.
I have just been offered a female syrian hamster by a woman on facebook, and I'm going to be picking her up in less than two weeks! Unfortunately I only have a 120x50x60cm enclosure instead of the commonly accepted 120x60x60cm minimum, but I also have a playpen and enrichment available, so hopefully it won't be an issue and she will be able to live a stress-free life. If she will not be satisfied with what I can offer, rehoming her through the Hungarian Hamster Rescue will still be a last option, though they still have the 80x50cm minimum for syrians and 60x50cm minimum for dwarves, I think they would be okay with adopting out a hamster only on my terms, which would be an enclosure at least 120x60x60. I have been watching your videos for a few years now and you definitely helped me with my first hamster, thanks to your informative content I already had a proper setup before taking him in from a facebook marketplace ad. I am very thankful for your videos, they are so easy to understand with the way you phrase things and even illustrate your points using high quality videos and pictures. Sending love from Hungary!❤
I'm sure it'll be better than what she is currently in! I'm so happy to hear my videos have been able to help and that they're easy to understand ❤️
I have a young Syrian hamster named Bumble (I didn't realize that you had a past hamster named Bumble until I got her; it total coincidence!); she is 2 months old and is still being tamed. She is totally comfortable with my prescence, and being fed treats by hand, but she doesn't like being picked up or pet. Do you have any overall tips?? 🙂
I've been having the same problem with my hamster!that's great that she's comfortable with you presence and taking treats from your hands!I use a mug to pick my hammy up for short periods of time and now I have been practicing getting him out and putting him in my hands, you could also use a playpen or a dry bathtub with a blanket for traction! I hope this was some how helpful 🤍
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I have a question, my hamster cage is 40 gallons he has sprays and chew toys, 7 hideouts, a cork, sand bath, and 6 inch bedding but, why does my hamster pouch all of his food and throw it on his wheel while running on it? Just curious if its something good or not and if you could tell me anything you know about that it would be helpful
I have both a female Syrian hamster ( Yang ) and a female purebred russian dwarf hamster (Litchi/Lychee). They're both from Élevage Loup Hamstery who is the local ethical breeder in my town!
They're both sweethearts and lives in big Niteangel cages! ❤
None of the vitakraft foods are really great for hamsters; thehamingway's website goes over them! www.thehamingway.com/foodmix/app/database
@@VictoriaRaechel I believe you responded on the wrong comment ahah!
@@anoukkagamine7328 No youtube just glitches and posts my comments to the incorrect comments 😅
@@VictoriaRaechel Oooh, alright my bad then! 😅
I own a syrian hammy, her name is dori and I love her sm because she is my baby
Hi, should I feed my hamster dried lentils and chickpeas? Not cooked obviously, right?