I came up with a similar strategy a while back, every time I tried this in simulation; it lost. I quickly abandoned it. I figured out a much better strategy, it took me years to learn. The first step was learning dice control, I learned it so well; I didn't 7 out the first year I played (ok, I only played until I won my coupon each time; then went back to blackjack. Craps players were agasp.) I turned around $100 into $4k twice with skill, but lost it due to vastly overbetting (Ive got $4k, $300 pass line and $600 odds minimum.) Then I figured out place bet regression so I was even at 1 number (think of inside bets and what they win.) This got me winning consistently for a year, but they were small daily wins and not enough on my rolls. Now, I figured out the secret (the one that has always plagued me) teamwork! As a team, you can work around table minimums/maximums, get 2-6x as many shooting opportunities, can manipulate comps a bit, 3 couples forming a team would mean less money spent on hookers. (The last part was half joking.)
In that last situation....with that many numbers covered... probably best to put something on the "Any Seven".... Just to protect all those come bets ... But you are right, repeating numbers is the profitable way to this strategy...but your ultimate goal is to replace your bigger come bets (4 units) with the smaller come bets (1 unit). But thank you for demonstrating the strategy...it was fun to watch it play out.
Not bad when starting out the roll, but once you start making numbers either place odds or go to place bets. Can’t possibly make money long term with just flat bets.
Thats exactly why I have problems with this strategy. Obviously you'll make money if the roll goes long, but in this case you can actually lose once you COME all 5 numbers and 7 out as you're not likely to put a COME bet equal to the 5 numbers
This strategy reminds me of the doey/don’t (I actually was trying to develop a strategy like this months ago and I learned exactly what you did in this video medium rolls destroy it so I never filmed it) -it’s a great way to just stay at the table and get drinks but the house edge will grind away the bankroll.
This is kind of like a limited Martingale system for those first few roles, then hedging. If he's that concerned about the 7 on a singe roll, maybe throw a unit or 2 on "any 7" instead of the the 4 unit Come (roll 4)?
Thank you for posting this! Going to Reno next week! I loved playing craps even though I didn't really understand it...until now. Can't wait to try my new skills!
I think people are missing that the point of this strategy is to avoid EARLY come outs. Once a roller has strung something together, switch strategies!
If a strategy incorporates "It's up to you what you want to do", then it's a half-baked strategy. Any half-baked strategy, I'd reject outright, and I'm glad this one showed a loss.
What about protecting the Come bets with an Any Craps bet. $5 Come bet and $1 on Any craps, you win a couple bucks on crap, and the insurance on the Come bet protects you on a run of craps before your 4 numbers are set.
Man,,,,,gosh when I was watching you explain this strategy All I could imagine was the shooter covering like 3 or 4 numbers, rolling like 3 craps number in a row then a 7 out killing my bank roll, Ive seen dont (dark side) players get fat on a cold table then one lucky shooter comes and kills the dont players whole bank roll then 7’s out right after. And For some reason Im always secretly happy about this. I love seeing everyone win at crap table except the guy betting against me
The don't better isn't "betting against" you. He's just playing the same game with a 0.05% better house edge. The house still takes his money in the long run, the same way it takes your money in the long run. Rooting against the don't better is ridiculous.
I'm new to craps but this seems like a good way to play if you feel a cold shooter or table on your hands, yet you aren't feeling like playing the Don'ts. Can still get some good profit from a long roll despite being a safe and slow setup. Definitely gonna put this to use soon I like it
I would rather play the don'ts for 3 days straight than this gig here. If you try this you will get up on a bunch of numbers often and get banged on come out 7's. You need to be winning on 7's no matter when they come, that's my theory. Although don't expect to win a fortune unless you put the big bets down eventually. You will win more by betting as a 'right' bettor, if you don't get killed getting there.
Thanks CU, another good showing of a different way of play. Not for me though. I'll stick with place betting and pressing after at least one win on each number placed. Keep up the hard work!! LOL.
I forget that the 7 is a winner in the come but in the back of my head I always knew. The come had always seemed an odd bet and it's such a huge devoted space. I , after hearin your commentary on the come, now feel it's almost a chess move bet make you a random place bet in the form of a come and get insurance from the 7. But we must remember that insurance is only for 1 roll. Thank you.
Dude this is the exact stately I messaged you on Instagram 3 weeks ago that you said you hadn’t heard of lol ... Only on mine you always double all the money on the table on pass/come
I like the name “Avoid the early 7”. I am going to put single odds on the pass line bet and two following come bets. The fourth roll I’m not going to bet and just see if one of my numbers hit (avoid the early 7). Then I’m going to make large don’t come bet (which I love to do) and let that ride. Will I come out ahead when that 7 comes?
Can’t ever go wrong playing the donts. I normally play $20-$25 on don’t come and let it travel. Most of the time on craps you will get 2-3 numbers before a 7 out and all your numbers that traveled wins no matter 7 win or lose. Easy money. Know when to back off on a hot roll.
You can go wrong playing the dont's... Come out 7's and hitting the points are losers. Just like any strategy or bet, just depends on how the dice roll :)
It a ok strategy but I would tweak it just a bit.. $ 22 inside followed by $20 come that way you only risking $5 against the 7 and you getting paid as the #'s hit Just my opinion
this seems like a starting strategy for the early part of the shoot. once you get out of the gate and the early 7 risk is past wouldnt you want to very the strategy for the longer roll?
Yes, lay the odds on come bets and passline after second come bet. You start leveraging yourself by worrying about 3-4 simultaneous come bets that will never fulfill - and if they do, it’s with no odds. Protect a (very) short roll and then look into opening up your board slowly.
A tweak that I would do is $5 on pass. Then place $10 on the come. Then $20. Then $40 and cap it off there with no more bets. That way you have a $5 win each time possible. If that $40 hit, then start over with $5 come bet because you are already guarantee profit. Remember, this video says for early 7 out, not intend for that long roll. Face it, any long roll, any strategy works. This video, again, is design for a 7 to roll in first few rolls.
@@ryanbahnsen6429 They are not slow killers there are 4 combinations to roll cap numbers and 8 combinations of 7 and 11 to win. You are 2:1 favorite against those craps numbers each time you are in the come or on the line.
Casino doesn't care if you take odds either. There's good reason they give true payout odds on certain bets, because those are the least likely bets to pay out. Casino gets their money either way.
Another Great video! This plan works great for a new player in the game; and can be used to spend some time at the tables. This might be a steady loss plan. The 1 to 1 bets in Craps is a disadvantage to the player. Not sure if this will help if the plan added odds to the Pass/Comes bets and next bets to cover the totals? So a $5 Pass with max odds, followed by a Come bet of $50? Then the next Come bet of $500? Not sure this plan works so well. Thanks again for the great videos.
Hey Colored Up! Love your videos watch them at lunch all the time! I find it interesting how most gamblers only talk about there wins and not there losses. I recently played craps I was have a great time but ended up $200 down. My biggest problem was the table was cold and I was too optimistic that a hot shooter was going to come (maybe it was the beers) so I didnt play the Darkside ATM although I should have. For the young gamblers out there that think they can hit it big, remember for every "I won money" story there are 10 stories like mine. Final note, make sure you have fun even if you lose money!
If you are willing to trade money for entertainment, gambling is great fun. Most people lose, thats how the casino business thrives, but most people wont admit their loses, you are right about that. I think its an ego thing?
How about putting a dollar on any craps (aka: crap check) so when the 2,3, or 12 is rolled on the come out or come bet you get paid $7 and if any other numbers is rolled you lose just a buck. (That's on a $5 bet you increase $1 for every $5 increase)
No taking advantage of odds? Max odds on the pass and max on come on standard 3-4-5 tables should at least lower the house advantage for your favor. Need a larger bankroll to start but hitting the point that already has a come bet, the dealer will just do the odds payout and leave the come on unless you're planning to press it higher, instead of just even money payouts on the flat bets and starting from scratch for each roll. It seems to take too long w/out odds IMHO. Would that be an option for this strategy? Live roll that?
odds lowers overall house edge. It does not increase chances of winning. It does increase volatility, if you win you win more, if you lose you lose more.
Its rare I would go to a craps table with that small of a bankroll. this has some merit, but is under hedged....a few bucks on the Horn for comeout offsets your craps and double pays the line on the Yo.....Overall not a terrible cold table walk up strategy till you shoot, or you find a shooter.
Did you do a 'doey don't' (on the come out rolls) strategy as part of your dice advice segment yet? I think it's a good strategy because a lot of pit bosses and or casinos won't allow it. In my experience. I remember trying to play it in some of the PA casinos and they were always resistant to it.
I think once you reach $20 on the Come (And you have a bunch of numbers in play) you should just stick with the $20 until you at least break even on the run. Hopefully the goal will be to get $20 onto at least three of the six numbers to make some good bank with little to no worry about losing that initial investment.
Link to his video is in the description of my video. Once on video, click on his channel name. Ace something? and it will take you to his main channel.
You need to shake the dice up in your hands. You just pick them up and throw them. That's ok on a real table but when you're throwing them about 18 inches it doesn't work very well
@@ColorUp I just mean on some of your videos you just pick up the dice, don't shake it or barely do and throw it softly a short distance on a table that doesn't bounce. That would seem to take away some of the randomness. That was my point the first time. So in my opinion you should shake the dice a good 2 or 3 seconds to compensate for the short distance and non-bounce of the table. I like your videos or I wouldn't be watching them :)
The best protection against early 7s out.. The Captains 5 count.. saves me about 28% to 35% of my bankrolls from the "Chicken feeders" the random rollers stupidly throwing the dice bouncing all over spliting etc creating all sorts of 7 outs....The Captians 5 count helps to ID an advantage control shooter which is where the money is consistently..I dont allow dumb chicken feeder random rollers to eat up my bankrolls...
It doesn't really take 5 rolls to pick out a good roller. In most cases.. you can see by the first roll. The ones who shake the dice and throw them like maniacs rarely last. Lol. Waiting 3 to 5 rolls is key though . It's unbelievable how many 7 outs are on the first or second roll... when you've covered every number and lose all of it!
this first strategy works nice when 11 hits, bad when craps numbers roll because your risking half ur bet everytime with this progressive betting strat
You may as well keep doubling until you get a 7 or hit table milax or run out of chips. Somethings going to win. So I tried this online real quick. The best results came from recycling and continue to double. Recycling Let's say come goes to 8 for 5$, if the next roll is 8 you now have 10$ going to 8 and since that was also your last come bet to hit just put 10$ again on the come. You can regress the come further with higher bets as well on other hits. For instance if you have 20$ on come and have 5$ on 4 just put 35$ out on next come if 4 hits. Also if you hit a craps just double again.
Exactly! The whole reason to go through the come is so you can take true odds! Taking true odds decreases the house edge. Here's my system: Make three numbers one passline bet and two through the come. Take 3 unit odds (meaning, on a $5 base unit, take $15 in odds) on the 6 and 8, $10 in odds on the 5 and 9 and $5 odds on the 4 and 10. Stop after establishing three points.......and just rinse and repeat! I call it my 3-2-1 Through The Come strategy. I play this with $25 tables too. It's a common/vanilla system, but it's easy to play.......and semi conservative. Good luck!
Why do you put some bets in the winning tray with the winnings, but not others? For example, pass line win, only the winnings get racked and the bet stays. On a come bet win, the bet and the winnings get racked. Seen you do this in a few vids and curious. Don't think it would have matter with this strategy. $1 come out on C would have helped, but not enough to consider this strategy. My advice, if you're on a cold table or bad shooter is throwing... just go dark. My usual strategy for cold tables and bad shooters... DP and place 6&8. Great channel... trying to watch all your vids.
@@ColorUp All good boss. I do wonder if it would make a difference in the ending total though. Again, great channel. Love your videos. Even learning the bad strategies is helpful. LOL.
@@TheTgbo The numbers on screen are correct. I follow the wins and loses from the dice results and amounts of bets on numbers and don't pay attention to the stacks or racks. Its possible I make mistakes, but for most part those numbers are going to be accurate. I agree, I think a little can be learned from all strategies, even if just "not what to do" ha
This is a very interesting strategy.... But.... Could all the bets be pulled if a "winning" point is rolled, then start over "from fresh" with this method on each new game?
thanks color up! maybe not a strategy that I would use but I’ve never seen it before so I found it interesting. In my opinion this is why your channel is so great; it exposes us to new methods and new ways to think about the game. Keep em’ coming. 🙏
Color Up I got into Sedona Arizona last night with my wife for a little weekend getaway. I did my research beforehand and found out there’s a casino not to far from our hotel (I’m from Texas - no casinos there) so I was pretty excited. But come to find out - no craps at the casino and it looks like craps is non-existent in the state of Arizona altogether. Pretty disappointing. It’s the only casino game I’ll play.
Ever been to “cliff castle casino” outside of Sedona? I’m getting the impression that it’s not very nice. I’ll still run over and check it out regardless, maybe play some blackjack, but reviews aren’t great.
Most of your "system" demos never really get to extended hands of say around twenty rolls with no seven ( or maybe even the juicy 30 rolls) Would love to see you do a mock extended roll comparison of systems using the same same set twenty or more? rolls for each comparison. The idea being to demonstrate a "best case scenario" for each system. You could maybe show how a very aggressive player, a moderately aggressive player, and a conservative players max profitability would compare. A benefit would be for your viewers to actually get a feel for executing their plan under pressure.
@@ColorUp Just a thought, instead of showing dice total, show individual dice value. (i.e. 64 instead of 10) Make us do the addition, lol. Thanks you're getting me hooked on this game again.
Why not after you hit max risk start don’t come... reversing the units on the dont. I’d like to see how that plays on camera (tried a few times on my app and worked well for a low risk low reward strategy
The advantage is still the come out 7/11 for the bet. Adding odds is great additional bet, but does not increase your chances of winning the bet. In only increases volatility, win more, or loss more.
I agree that it increases volatility but a long roll does not pay off without the odds, we can all agree that a pass line play needs a long roll for a good win but in the strategy not putting odds only gives you a 1 to 1 payout with volatility on craps rolls if you increase your hedge bet on the come. 2 craps on a bigger hedge you have to hit 3 or 4 points to come out even. The payouts do not equal the amount you put on the table by the end of it. Death by 1000 paper cuts.
@@DSweeney525 All strats loss in end whether odds or not, so yes this is "death by 1000 paper cuts" i agree, but some prefer to play that way. To each his own.
I hope there is nobody that actually plays this at a casino. You're basically hedging yourself to win zero on the first 3 rolls in event of a 7, which happens to be the average number of rolls per shooter when you need to be making profit. But fully exposed to all the most common losses, like a 7 after the 3rd roll, and craps on come out roll.
@@ColorUp Defintiely! I appreciate you putting everything out there. I know they aren't your strategies. Certainly not criticizing you. Keep up the good work :-)
@@TxDixon Nice!! Luck strikes every now and then. Good time to regress your bets now and try to hold on to as much of that lucky win as you can until luck strikes again.
@@TxDixon I am glad you won...just curious , did you tweak anything when getting up on multiple numbers or did you just keep putting twenty out in the come to hedge as much as possible..would love to hear some of your success story...thanks for sharing that you won...
So, if my math is correct...you would have been in the + column with your chips...IF....you don’t follow the $20 Come bet at all...and just let the numbers play out and collect...don’t play odds on them don’t feel that you must have 4 numbers in play...don’t get greedy...be satisfied with wins....if you don’t Martingale this strategy you will bleed chips...you can’t follow a $20 with a $10 believing that the Craps Deity will bless you. If average Joe rolls an average of 8 times and you have survived 4...just ride it out. Personally, any come win gets Placed on 6 or 8 following a collect first then press strategy. This let’s you ride out the long rolls without having to be a “shoulda”, “woulda”, “coulda”.
This strategy is ultimately useless unless you get a super long roll. And ANY strategy that isn't playing don'ts is good on a super long roll. You're protecting yourself against a 7, hoping for a push out, while still having a 66% loss ratio against a Craps number compared to if the 7 rolled. So you're betting double the money for a slightly less chance to lose, hoping for a push. And then you have a bunch of staggered bets that are not likely to be bringing you any money because your low bets are gonna averagely fall on the more common numbers. Then before you know it, you've got 8 units out during the prime moment for a 7 to roll. This strategy is good at pushing you out rather than losing on an early 7. But realistically, you would need to be playing place bets to be really hurt by an early 7. A come bet player is gonna be losing 1-3 units if they place equal bets and hit an early 7. But they're more likely to win them back before a 7 rolls compared to with this strategy. TL;DR A regular come better will have minimal losses for an early 7 and average losses at an intermediate 7. This strategy gives 0 loss on an early 7 and heavy loss on an intermediate 7. It's not worth the trade off.
@@ColorUp I mean, take your favorite strategy as an example. It is most vulnerable against early 7 outs. Employ this at the same time until you get your money off of the table during your strategy and then stop using this. This helps mitigate losses during those first few rolls and becomes worthless during a hot roll. I would have to play with this a little bit to see how combining this with other strategies would work. And, while I am sitting here spitballing it in my head I do realize that by combining this with another strategy means covering numbers in duplicate, but this is how I think of it. If this is minimizing the impact of early or quick 7's while your strategy is vulnerable to quick 7's then both have to be employed completely, with duplicate numbers, for the hedging to work. I have been doing this with your favorite strategy and another one I learned here (can't remember the name, but it was a martingale in the field only, double +$1). Working them both has been usually pretty good. The cold streaks are less devastating, the hot streaks still do very well. Combining these basically shifts the big risk onto when the martingale is at your comfortable max (mine is 5 consecutive field misses) while still building the numbers in Your Fave. Now I feel like I am being more confusing than helpful, so I am going to end there and wait for follow up questions.
Not sure how your strategy works since the minute you miss your point on the pass line you pass the dice, regardless of your come or points bets. I don't see how this strategy "extends" rolls.
Yeah! I like this one and think it can be tweaked as u suggested....or just incorporated into another one...OR WITH THE 7...LOL. can't believe you suggested it and what happens? Lol...no way
Don’t like it. You hedge the first 3 rolls in exchange for exposing a lot of money to the eventual 7. You get this same hedging with a 3-number Molly, so maybe you just play the Molly with the 2nd come bet at 2 units, then stop making come bets and add the odds. That gets you to playing three numbers while protecting you from short rolls. Call it mission accomplished.
Agreed. Stacking come bets to eternity is prolonging death. Better to protect with two come bets and then stack the odds. A long roll in the Reimbursement strategy amounts to a whole lot of nothing, as evidenced in the last two rolls on this video.
@@dr4bones10 Come bets just like a pass line bet are contract bets, and cannot be reduced or removed. If you have odds added to the bet, those can be reduced or removed.
I mean let's be honest... you absolutely can never get hurt using this system. But you can also play for 8 hours and basically break even. It's a pretty boring system. I get the thought process. But in my opinion it's similar to standing at a table and watching. You take no odds on any come bets... which is the entire premise of the come bet. Lol
@@ColorUp Hind sight is always 20/20 of course. I have been working on a modification of Vince's Stackem Up strategy that seems to work phenomenally well. I am hoping you will be able to review it in a few days as I iron out all the details.
@@ColorUp I have the basic outline right now and it can work quite well if one is a bit cautious with betting. Min stack size is $500.00. What is the best way to get the whole outline to you?
the problem is in the real world on a real table when you have all those come bets up top (3+) you are stuck praying for them not to get 7'd out because you sacrifice that first roll that could be a place bet winner and you don't choose where the come goes.... and 2,3, 12... sorry- not a fan of this strategy.
I like how you put the rolls at the bottom of the screen.
thanks
I came up with a similar strategy a while back, every time I tried this in simulation; it lost. I quickly abandoned it. I figured out a much better strategy, it took me years to learn. The first step was learning dice control, I learned it so well; I didn't 7 out the first year I played (ok, I only played until I won my coupon each time; then went back to blackjack. Craps players were agasp.) I turned around $100 into $4k twice with skill, but lost it due to vastly overbetting (Ive got $4k, $300 pass line and $600 odds minimum.) Then I figured out place bet regression so I was even at 1 number (think of inside bets and what they win.) This got me winning consistently for a year, but they were small daily wins and not enough on my rolls. Now, I figured out the secret (the one that has always plagued me) teamwork! As a team, you can work around table minimums/maximums, get 2-6x as many shooting opportunities, can manipulate comps a bit, 3 couples forming a team would mean less money spent on hookers. (The last part was half joking.)
I think you lost us at " I didn't 7 out the fist year"
In that last situation....with that many numbers covered... probably best to put something on the "Any Seven".... Just to protect all those come bets ... But you are right, repeating numbers is the profitable way to this strategy...but your ultimate goal is to replace your bigger come bets (4 units) with the smaller come bets (1 unit). But thank you for demonstrating the strategy...it was fun to watch it play out.
It’s fun to play and interesting. Thanks for sharing it with us all!
Not bad when starting out the roll, but once you start making numbers either place odds or go to place bets. Can’t possibly make money long term with just flat bets.
Thats exactly why I have problems with this strategy. Obviously you'll make money if the roll goes long, but in this case you can actually lose once you COME all 5 numbers and 7 out as you're not likely to put a COME bet equal to the 5 numbers
Only thing I would tweak* would be betting a buck on any craps number to hedge the hedge. Interesting strategy and thank you for sharing it :)
thanks as always for watching and your feedback
Hedge your hedge🤣
This strategy reminds me of the doey/don’t (I actually was trying to develop a strategy like this months ago and I learned exactly what you did in this video medium rolls destroy it so I never filmed it) -it’s a great way to just stay at the table and get drinks but the house edge will grind away the bankroll.
The house edge will always grind away the bankroll
This is kind of like a limited Martingale system for those first few roles, then hedging. If he's that concerned about the 7 on a singe roll, maybe throw a unit or 2 on "any 7" instead of the the 4 unit Come (roll 4)?
Smart
Thank you for posting this! Going to Reno next week! I loved playing craps even though I didn't really understand it...until now. Can't wait to try my new skills!
Yes! Have fun and good luck! 🍀
Used this strategy yesterday and colored up a 1210$ profit. Thanks CU!
Wow, nice, didn't know this strategy had that kind of profit potential.
@@ColorUp oh it wasn't fast. Took 11 hours of constant playing however, the strategy made it possible to play that long.
I think people are missing that the point of this strategy is to avoid EARLY come outs. Once a roller has strung something together, switch strategies!
See above
interesting concept... not sure i'd try it in the casino... but makes for an brain 'thinker' for the video!!! Nice Job!!!
Yeah, it might be a foundation to start a new strategy from
I've played this same type of strategy before playing Buble craps. There is always a worse case scenario so it's good to cap Max come bet going in.
If a strategy incorporates "It's up to you what you want to do", then it's a half-baked strategy. Any half-baked strategy, I'd reject outright, and I'm glad this one showed a loss.
Interesting theory. But "full baked" strategies also lose, they all do eventually.
Color Up great answer
What about protecting the Come bets with an Any Craps bet. $5 Come bet and $1 on Any craps, you win a couple bucks on crap, and the insurance on the Come bet protects you on a run of craps before your 4 numbers are set.
Man,,,,,gosh when I was watching you explain this strategy All I could imagine was the shooter covering like 3 or 4 numbers, rolling like 3 craps number in a row then a 7 out killing my bank roll, Ive seen dont (dark side) players get fat on a cold table then one lucky shooter comes and kills the dont players whole bank roll then 7’s out right after. And For some reason Im always secretly happy about this. I love seeing everyone win at crap table except the guy betting against me
The don't better isn't "betting against" you. He's just playing the same game with a 0.05% better house edge. The house still takes his money in the long run, the same way it takes your money in the long run.
Rooting against the don't better is ridiculous.
I'm new to craps but this seems like a good way to play if you feel a cold shooter or table on your hands, yet you aren't feeling like playing the Don'ts. Can still get some good profit from a long roll despite being a safe and slow setup. Definitely gonna put this to use soon I like it
I would rather play the don'ts for 3 days straight than this gig here. If you try this you will get up on a bunch of numbers often and get banged on come out 7's. You need to be winning on 7's no matter when they come, that's my theory. Although don't expect to win a fortune unless you put the big bets down eventually. You will win more by betting as a 'right' bettor, if you don't get killed getting there.
Thanks for watching
Thanks CU, another good showing of a different way of play. Not for me though. I'll stick with place betting and pressing after at least one win on each number placed. Keep up the hard work!! LOL.
I forget that the 7 is a winner in the come but in the back of my head I always knew. The come had always seemed an odd bet and it's such a huge devoted space. I , after hearin your commentary on the come, now feel it's almost a chess move bet make you a random place bet in the form of a come and get insurance from the 7. But we must remember that insurance is only for 1 roll. Thank you.
Dude this is the exact stately I messaged you on Instagram 3 weeks ago that you said you hadn’t heard of lol ... Only on mine you always double all the money on the table on pass/come
Ah 👍🏻 I do so many I can’t remember
I like the name “Avoid the early 7”. I am going to put single odds on the pass line bet and two following come bets. The fourth roll I’m not going to bet and just see if one of my numbers hit (avoid the early 7). Then I’m going to make large don’t come bet (which I love to do) and let that ride. Will I come out ahead when that 7 comes?
Can’t ever go wrong playing the donts. I normally play $20-$25 on don’t come and let it travel. Most of the time on craps you will get 2-3 numbers before a 7 out and all your numbers that traveled wins no matter 7 win or lose. Easy money. Know when to back off on a hot roll.
You can go wrong playing the dont's... Come out 7's and hitting the points are losers. Just like any strategy or bet, just depends on how the dice roll :)
Before that last roll should have hedged big red 10 for 50 to protect 60 worth it. Can always make up 10 dollars on next roll
It a ok strategy but I would tweak it just a bit..
$ 22 inside followed by $20 come that way you only risking $5 against the 7 and you getting paid as the #'s hit
Just my opinion
this seems like a starting strategy for the early part of the shoot. once you get out of the gate and the early 7 risk is past wouldnt you want to very the strategy for the longer roll?
Yes, lay the odds on come bets and passline after second come bet. You start leveraging yourself by worrying about 3-4 simultaneous come bets that will never fulfill - and if they do, it’s with no odds. Protect a (very) short roll and then look into opening up your board slowly.
A tweak that I would do is $5 on pass. Then place $10 on the come. Then $20. Then $40 and cap it off there with no more bets. That way you have a $5 win each time possible. If that $40 hit, then start over with $5 come bet because you are already guarantee profit. Remember, this video says for early 7 out, not intend for that long roll. Face it, any long roll, any strategy works. This video, again, is design for a 7 to roll in first few rolls.
This one is interesting. I still like the three point Molly with odds, but I can see where this would be fun for people.
The crap numbers are slow killers in this strategy. Not bad though as a strategy to stall looking for a hot shooter to repeat numbers
@@ryanbahnsen6429 They are not slow killers there are 4 combinations to roll cap numbers and 8 combinations of 7 and 11 to win. You are 2:1 favorite against those craps numbers each time you are in the come or on the line.
Come bets without any odds? Your leaving money in the casinos bank doing this! Casinos would love this strategy!
agreed
Casino doesn't care if you take odds either. There's good reason they give true payout odds on certain bets, because those are the least likely bets to pay out. Casino gets their money either way.
If you've got the cash, bet the max odds on everything too. In the end, it doesn't matter.
Another Great video! This plan works great for a new player in the game; and can be used to spend some time at the tables. This might be a steady loss plan. The 1 to 1 bets in Craps is a disadvantage to the player. Not sure if this will help if the plan added odds to the Pass/Comes bets and next bets to cover the totals? So a $5 Pass with max odds, followed by a Come bet of $50? Then the next Come bet of $500? Not sure this plan works so well. Thanks again for the great videos.
Hey Colored Up! Love your videos watch them at lunch all the time! I find it interesting how most gamblers only talk about there wins and not there losses. I recently played craps I was have a great time but ended up $200 down. My biggest problem was the table was cold and I was too optimistic that a hot shooter was going to come (maybe it was the beers) so I didnt play the Darkside ATM although I should have. For the young gamblers out there that think they can hit it big, remember for every "I won money" story there are 10 stories like mine. Final note, make sure you have fun even if you lose money!
If you are willing to trade money for entertainment, gambling is great fun. Most people lose, thats how the casino business thrives, but most people wont admit their loses, you are right about that. I think its an ego thing?
Wins are much happier to talk about than losses. We try to relive the good memories not the bad ones 😆
How about putting a dollar on any craps (aka: crap check) so when the 2,3, or 12 is rolled on the come out or come bet you get paid $7 and if any other numbers is rolled you lose just a buck. (That's on a $5 bet you increase $1 for every $5 increase)
No taking advantage of odds? Max odds on the pass and max on come on standard 3-4-5 tables should at least lower the house advantage for your favor. Need a larger bankroll to start but hitting the point that already has a come bet, the dealer will just do the odds payout and leave the come on unless you're planning to press it higher, instead of just even money payouts on the flat bets and starting from scratch for each roll. It seems to take too long w/out odds IMHO. Would that be an option for this strategy? Live roll that?
odds lowers overall house edge. It does not increase chances of winning. It does increase volatility, if you win you win more, if you lose you lose more.
If I wanted to get free drinks id just bet field and come same amount same time, takes two rolls to beat me, 11, 12, instant win.
Should you bet a crap check on every come out if your on the pass line or when you have a bet in the come?
If you like slowly lighting all your money on fire over time.
i feel like there should be some variation of this with the dont pass, or the dont come...
Its rare I would go to a craps table with that small of a bankroll. this has some merit, but is under hedged....a few bucks on the Horn for comeout offsets your craps and double pays the line on the Yo.....Overall not a terrible cold table walk up strategy till you shoot, or you find a shooter.
Did you do a 'doey don't' (on the come out rolls) strategy as part of your dice advice segment yet? I think it's a good strategy because a lot of pit bosses and or casinos won't allow it. In my experience. I remember trying to play it in some of the PA casinos and they were always resistant to it.
Ive done a couple videos on the doey dont
Looks like a fun strategy. Especially on random shooters
So like all shooters then.
@@ryanwarner5006 well not on controlled shooters
@@education654321 Dice control doesn't exist. Stop being silly. Every shooter is a random shooter.
@@brizzlex1919 yes it does. Not gone argue with an ignorant person
Sad
Professor, couldn’t you hedge your come bet with a craps bet?
Not the professor, but absolutely. I like to cover a 5$/10$ pass line bet with a 1$ any craps.
Nice to see a Come strategy and a way to cover the short role 7 outs. But seems like you need to chase the bets until you are out of chips.
Yeah, this feels a little incomplete...needs a way to transition to collecting and not just chasing
Nice vid...I will dub this the cat chasing tail strategy...if I may
You may :)
I think once you reach $20 on the Come (And you have a bunch of numbers in play) you should just stick with the $20 until you at least break even on the run. Hopefully the goal will be to get $20 onto at least three of the six numbers to make some good bank with little to no worry about losing that initial investment.
maybe...
Color Up : Do you have the link to Aaron Coles TH-cam videos !!!!????
Link to his video is in the description of my video. Once on video, click on his channel name. Ace something? and it will take you to his main channel.
Color Up : ok , thanks , you videos are "EL PRIMO" !!!!
@@kenbrown438 Thank you very much. Going live tonight, 9pm EST
I appreciate such a good simle hedge strategy. I am going to use it in Las Vegas. Thanks!
Have fun in Vegas
The only way I could see benifitting from this strategy is to add max odds on all numbers that the come is placed on and hope that they hit
You need to shake the dice up in your hands. You just pick them up and throw them. That's ok on a real table but when you're throwing them about 18 inches it doesn't work very well
So my results are not random? I’m controlling the dice now?
@@ColorUp I just mean on some of your videos you just pick up the dice, don't shake it or barely do and throw it softly a short distance on a table that doesn't bounce. That would seem to take away some of the randomness. That was my point the first time. So in my opinion you should shake the dice a good 2 or 3 seconds to compensate for the short distance and non-bounce of the table. I like your videos or I wouldn't be watching them :)
I appreciate the feedback. I’m not sure it makes much of a difference otherwise my dice results and videos would have better results haha
The best protection against early 7s out.. The Captains 5 count.. saves me about 28% to 35% of my bankrolls from the "Chicken feeders" the random rollers stupidly throwing the dice bouncing all over spliting etc creating all sorts of 7 outs....The Captians 5 count helps to ID an advantage control shooter which is where the money is consistently..I dont allow dumb chicken feeder random rollers to eat up my bankrolls...
It doesn't really take 5 rolls to pick out a good roller. In most cases.. you can see by the first roll. The ones who shake the dice and throw them like maniacs rarely last. Lol. Waiting 3 to 5 rolls is key though . It's unbelievable how many 7 outs are on the first or second roll... when you've covered every number and lose all of it!
Every shooter is a random shooter you guys sound goofy as hell. Stop lying to yourselves. You aren't special and you can't controll dice.
If this really bothers someone they can just wait a few rolls after the point has been established to add odds and place bets.
Throw a dollar on the EC and protect your line bet.
this first strategy works nice when 11 hits, bad when craps numbers roll because your risking half ur bet everytime with this progressive betting strat
Your the king of 7 outs lol maybe you should dice set for longer rolls
or just play the dark side
You may as well keep doubling until you get a 7 or hit table milax or run out of chips. Somethings going to win.
So I tried this online real quick.
The best results came from recycling and continue to double.
Recycling
Let's say come goes to 8 for 5$, if the next roll is 8 you now have 10$ going to 8 and since that was also your last come bet to hit just put 10$ again on the come. You can regress the come further with higher bets as well on other hits. For instance if you have 20$ on come and have 5$ on 4 just put 35$ out on next come if 4 hits.
Also if you hit a craps just double again.
Why not play the odds on the come bets?
NVM 🙈
Once a roll becomes profitable I'd highly recommend odds. This strategy can protect against early sevens but it also can become a monster roll.
Exactly! The whole reason to go through the come is so you can take true odds! Taking true odds decreases the house edge. Here's my system: Make three numbers one passline bet and two through the come. Take 3 unit odds (meaning, on a $5 base unit, take $15 in odds) on the 6 and 8, $10 in odds on the 5 and 9 and $5 odds on the 4 and 10. Stop after establishing three points.......and just rinse and repeat! I call it my 3-2-1 Through The Come strategy. I play this with $25 tables too. It's a common/vanilla system, but it's easy to play.......and semi conservative. Good luck!
Maybe throw a $1 or 2 on Any Craps when you have a new Come roll as insurance?
You can. It’s strange in Blackjack most everyone knows not to take insurance bet, but craps players love to do so?
Why do you put some bets in the winning tray with the winnings, but not others? For example, pass line win, only the winnings get racked and the bet stays. On a come bet win, the bet and the winnings get racked. Seen you do this in a few vids and curious. Don't think it would have matter with this strategy. $1 come out on C would have helped, but not enough to consider this strategy. My advice, if you're on a cold table or bad shooter is throwing... just go dark. My usual strategy for cold tables and bad shooters... DP and place 6&8. Great channel... trying to watch all your vids.
I have no answer. Im not very consistent with which tray the winnings go in. Thats why I put the numbers down the side.
@@ColorUp All good boss. I do wonder if it would make a difference in the ending total though. Again, great channel. Love your videos. Even learning the bad strategies is helpful. LOL.
@@TheTgbo The numbers on screen are correct. I follow the wins and loses from the dice results and amounts of bets on numbers and don't pay attention to the stacks or racks. Its possible I make mistakes, but for most part those numbers are going to be accurate. I agree, I think a little can be learned from all strategies, even if just "not what to do" ha
Am I tripping? How did he 7 out when the pucks off on the last roll??
Not really a seven out, but come bets lose on 7s no matter if the puck is on or off.
Yep only the Come bet odds are returned. Place bets are off on the Come out by default
Love the channel. One small suggestion, any way to keep your cash pool on screen at all times?
Maybe
Ok, I understand. But with you doing short rolls and not dice setting it does not give the real feel. But I do understand. Thanks for the tip.
That is 100 percent real. Dice setting doesn't exist.
This is a very interesting strategy.... But.... Could all the bets be pulled if a "winning" point is rolled, then start over "from fresh" with this method on each new game?
thanks color up! maybe not a strategy that I would use but I’ve never seen it before so I found it interesting. In my opinion this is why your channel is so great; it exposes us to new methods and new ways to think about the game. Keep em’ coming. 🙏
Thank you. Exactly why I like the dice advice series
Color Up I got into Sedona Arizona last night with my wife for a little weekend getaway. I did my research beforehand and found out there’s a casino not to far from our hotel (I’m from Texas - no casinos there) so I was pretty excited. But come to find out - no craps at the casino and it looks like craps is non-existent in the state of Arizona altogether. Pretty disappointing. It’s the only casino game I’ll play.
@@andyduba1595 Yeah, I lived in Phoenix for 2 years....only bubble machines :(
Ever been to “cliff castle casino” outside of Sedona? I’m getting the impression that it’s not very nice. I’ll still run over and check it out regardless, maybe play some blackjack, but reviews aren’t great.
@@andyduba1595 Haven't even heard of that one.
Most of your "system" demos never really get to extended hands of say around twenty rolls with no seven ( or maybe even the juicy 30 rolls) Would love to see you do a mock extended roll comparison of systems using the same same set twenty or more? rolls for each comparison. The idea being to demonstrate a "best case scenario" for each system. You could maybe show how a very aggressive player, a moderately aggressive player, and a conservative players max profitability would compare. A benefit would be for your viewers to actually get a feel for executing their plan under pressure.
Interesting idea
Cu
I love the previous rolls small request will you “box” or some how mark the hard ways when hit
It’s never enough...haha kidding, I thought about doing. A box is a pain to add in editing, need to figure something easy out, maybe another color
A color is perfect
@@ColorUp Just a thought, instead of showing dice total, show individual dice value. (i.e. 64 instead of 10) Make us do the addition, lol. Thanks you're getting me hooked on this game again.
Steven Murata hmm, I like that
@@ColorUp 😂😂🤣
Hey Aaron. Would you like the hop the skinnys? Be careful jinxing the dice!
How would the don't come and don't pass work with this strategy?
Interesting thought, i should try
Why don’t u mirror the don’t pass line with pass line u will win more on 7s and make ur bet back
Can you take down all of your bets at anytime you want to??
Yes, everything except a pass line or come bet.
Ladder with the cone but I like it
Come bet, that’s what I mean. Great presentation j
When there are big bets at risk on come out, hop the 7 like you were thinking about.....but didnt do.
It definitely works out better doing that sometimes
Famous last words. Feels like it’s a hot shooter.
Another great video.
haha, exactly
If you're just playing to break even on a short roll why not just stay out and make no bets?
This is a game of entertainment.
This is a hedge strategy. You can play a long time and lose slowly, but you will lose.
Losing slowly is good in craps, as there is no “winning” strategy
Why not after you hit max risk start don’t come... reversing the units on the dont. I’d like to see how that plays on camera (tried a few times on my app and worked well for a low risk low reward strategy
Love the videos. Keep em coming
I love these videos and strategies. I miss your co-dealer from the last few videos.
Ha, me too. It will just be me for awhile at least
Random question, but where can I find a chip rack like the one you use in your videos?! I’ve looked everywhere to no avail.
I know its 10 months late. But amazon is a great source. Or ebay
No odds on the come completely defeats the purpose of the come bet.
The advantage is still the come out 7/11 for the bet. Adding odds is great additional bet, but does not increase your chances of winning the bet. In only increases volatility, win more, or loss more.
I agree that it increases volatility but a long roll does not pay off without the odds, we can all agree that a pass line play needs a long roll for a good win but in the strategy not putting odds only gives you a 1 to 1 payout with volatility on craps rolls if you increase your hedge bet on the come. 2 craps on a bigger hedge you have to hit 3 or 4 points to come out even. The payouts do not equal the amount you put on the table by the end of it. Death by 1000 paper cuts.
@@DSweeney525 All strats loss in end whether odds or not, so yes this is "death by 1000 paper cuts" i agree, but some prefer to play that way. To each his own.
I hope there is nobody that actually plays this at a casino. You're basically hedging yourself to win zero on the first 3 rolls in event of a 7, which happens to be the average number of rolls per shooter when you need to be making profit. But fully exposed to all the most common losses, like a 7 after the 3rd roll, and craps on come out roll.
That’s why I show these strategies, people can see and discuss the negative or positive aspects of certain types of play. Great feedback
@@ColorUp Defintiely! I appreciate you putting everything out there. I know they aren't your strategies. Certainly not criticizing you. Keep up the good work :-)
@@MisterMechanicV I've won 1850$ in the last 2 days playing this exact strategy just to see.
@@TxDixon Nice!! Luck strikes every now and then. Good time to regress your bets now and try to hold on to as much of that lucky win as you can until luck strikes again.
@@TxDixon I am glad you won...just curious , did you tweak anything when getting up on multiple numbers or did you just keep putting twenty out in the come to hedge as much as possible..would love to hear some of your success story...thanks for sharing that you won...
So, if my math is correct...you would have been in the + column with your chips...IF....you don’t follow the $20 Come bet at all...and just let the numbers play out and collect...don’t play odds on them don’t feel that you must have 4 numbers in play...don’t get greedy...be satisfied with wins....if you don’t Martingale this strategy you will bleed chips...you can’t follow a $20 with a $10 believing that the Craps Deity will bless you. If average Joe rolls an average of 8 times and you have survived 4...just ride it out. Personally, any come win gets Placed on 6 or 8 following a collect first then press strategy. This let’s you ride out the long rolls without having to be a “shoulda”, “woulda”, “coulda”.
Wish I could find 5 dollar tables!
There is a sega pop table that is great if you can find them they are 5 dollars.
Lay they 10 or 4 on the come out when you're loaded like that. Or have fun and lay $196 across for one roll 😁
$188 + $6 for the vig, = $194
Can I get that link for the guy who has the 360 camera that might be fun to look at
Its in the video description
what is a 30 to 1 one roll hard way bet call?
A hop bet
Tracy LaReau hop the hard 8
Or any number
Told my friends on a trip to AC this week that you taught me how to play craps. They did good, I lost lol but all good.
Figures haha
This strategy is ultimately useless unless you get a super long roll. And ANY strategy that isn't playing don'ts is good on a super long roll.
You're protecting yourself against a 7, hoping for a push out, while still having a 66% loss ratio against a Craps number compared to if the 7 rolled. So you're betting double the money for a slightly less chance to lose, hoping for a push.
And then you have a bunch of staggered bets that are not likely to be bringing you any money because your low bets are gonna averagely fall on the more common numbers. Then before you know it, you've got 8 units out during the prime moment for a 7 to roll.
This strategy is good at pushing you out rather than losing on an early 7. But realistically, you would need to be playing place bets to be really hurt by an early 7. A come bet player is gonna be losing 1-3 units if they place equal bets and hit an early 7. But they're more likely to win them back before a 7 rolls compared to with this strategy.
TL;DR
A regular come better will have minimal losses for an early 7 and average losses at an intermediate 7.
This strategy gives 0 loss on an early 7 and heavy loss on an intermediate 7.
It's not worth the trade off.
The way tables go when I am at the rail... craps would show up all the time and destroy me.
Ha, you and me both
This seems like it might be better as a hedging strategy.
? how do you mean, the whole thing is basically hedging
@@ColorUp I mean, take your favorite strategy as an example. It is most vulnerable against early 7 outs. Employ this at the same time until you get your money off of the table during your strategy and then stop using this. This helps mitigate losses during those first few rolls and becomes worthless during a hot roll. I would have to play with this a little bit to see how combining this with other strategies would work.
And, while I am sitting here spitballing it in my head I do realize that by combining this with another strategy means covering numbers in duplicate, but this is how I think of it. If this is minimizing the impact of early or quick 7's while your strategy is vulnerable to quick 7's then both have to be employed completely, with duplicate numbers, for the hedging to work.
I have been doing this with your favorite strategy and another one I learned here (can't remember the name, but it was a martingale in the field only, double +$1). Working them both has been usually pretty good. The cold streaks are less devastating, the hot streaks still do very well. Combining these basically shifts the big risk onto when the martingale is at your comfortable max (mine is 5 consecutive field misses) while still building the numbers in Your Fave.
Now I feel like I am being more confusing than helpful, so I am going to end there and wait for follow up questions.
Not sure how your strategy works since the minute you miss your point on the pass line you pass the dice, regardless of your come or points bets. I don't see how this strategy "extends" rolls.
No strategy extends a roll
Yeah! I like this one and think it can be tweaked as u suggested....or just incorporated into another one...OR WITH THE 7...LOL. can't believe you suggested it and what happens? Lol...no way
Don’t like it. You hedge the first 3 rolls in exchange for exposing a lot of money to the eventual 7. You get this same hedging with a 3-number Molly, so maybe you just play the Molly with the 2nd come bet at 2 units, then stop making come bets and add the odds. That gets you to playing three numbers while protecting you from short rolls. Call it mission accomplished.
Agreed. Stacking come bets to eternity is prolonging death. Better to protect with two come bets and then stack the odds. A long roll in the Reimbursement strategy amounts to a whole lot of nothing, as evidenced in the last two rolls on this video.
Not really a great strategy this one but great vid as usual.
no odds?
I was watching this video, holding my 3 week old son, he started screaming...I dont think he likes come bets, especially without odds!
Funny...maybe just hated sound of my voice
Buahahahaha
Failed the 11... extra 5 removed
? Mistake...time code will help me find it thanks
Prefer strategies that get me some odds on my money.
Cant u remove or reduce the place bets at any time
yes
I meant to ask. Once the come bets move up to be place bets. Then can they be reduced or removed.
@@dr4bones10 Come bets just like a pass line bet are contract bets, and cannot be reduced or removed. If you have odds added to the bet, those can be reduced or removed.
Thank you sir
I mean let's be honest... you absolutely can never get hurt using this system. But you can also play for 8 hours and basically break even. It's a pretty boring system. I get the thought process. But in my opinion it's similar to standing at a table and watching. You take no odds on any come bets... which is the entire premise of the come bet. Lol
As much as I love craps I have yet to leave the table a winner. No matter what strategy I play. Anyone having decent luck?
I've used this strategy when the table is hot and won 1850$ this week.
Nice score. Lady Luck has not been with me.
Nice score. Lady Luck has not been with me.
The dice have to roll just right no matter what strategy you play. Hope things turn around for you soon. Good luck
If you added a field bet with the come bet you would have had quite a few big hits.
Can’t really play that way... , would have could have, after you see the results
@@ColorUp Hind sight is always 20/20 of course. I have been working on a modification of Vince's Stackem Up strategy that seems to work phenomenally well. I am hoping you will be able to review it in a few days as I iron out all the details.
cool, look forward to your submission
@@ColorUp I have the basic outline right now and it can work quite well if one is a bit cautious with betting. Min stack size is $500.00. What is the best way to get the whole outline to you?
any craps bet!
You should be a Hedge Fund Manager with this strategy!
the problem is in the real world on a real table when you have all those come bets up top (3+) you are stuck praying for them not to get 7'd out because you sacrifice that first roll that could be a place bet winner and you don't choose where the come goes.... and 2,3, 12... sorry- not a fan of this strategy.
This is the real world and he has a real table