DA MACHINE: You are the ONLY ONE as of now who made the most comprehensive analysis of NR200, and you have helped so many of us who are still waiting on the case itself to shape up the right cooling components of our builds. I cannot thank you enough for the tremendous amount of work you’ve done with these series. I’m sure I’m expressing the voice of the entire SFF community and NR200 fans in particular. Thank you!
Love it! I'm stoked that all of you are enjoying this, and there's still a lot more to come. This case certainly deserves the following it's building up and we absolutely need to give it the attention it deserves so that improvements, revisions, and competing products follow in the future, the future is bright for SFF!
Machines & More absolutely. By far this is the best case I’ve come across so far, and trust me, I’ve been watching the evolution of SFF cases for quite some time now, researching EVERY single case that was manufactured at this point. Considering it’s affordability AND hardware compatibility, this is by far one of the most accommodating cases on the market right now. No wonder it sparks so much interest! Don’t stop experimenting with it😎! Looking forward to the 3000 series videos now from u! Cheers! And again - great work.
Machines & More also, there should be an equivalent to Cerberus X (just slightly larger than NR200) with full ATX boards support, yet implementing a SFF so we could take full advantage of the hardware. Cerberus and it’s bigger brother X-version lack radiator support. While it’s possible, the options are limited that’s the reason why I ended up NOT going with it.
@@MachinesMore Can I ask, with the C14S is it better to have the fan on the top side of the heatsink instead of on the side panel? Also I was thinking of putting a fan next to it on the side panel but as exhaust to help get rid of GPU heat, that woudn't megatively affect CPU right?
@@MachinesMore thanks a lot indeed! I have migrated parts from the TU150 into the nr200 last week, since the GPU (3080 XC3 from Evga) was just getting choked with high thermals as a result. CPU temps (5800x) were great when paired with the Scythe Mugen 5 PCGH edition, which makes sense, considering the airflow of the case. I have slapped a single NF-A12 on now for intake since a second Scythe fan did not fit the case in the back for the pull/exhaust with the I Aorus x570 mobo. 2 slim Scythe Kaze flex are mounted under the GPU. 1 included top fan as exhaust. Aesthetically I would love a 2 fan exhaust in the top, so not sure how to approach that yet. Results for now: GPU temps under stress load are 7-9 (!!!) degrees lower than in the old case, with less fan noise. CPU is cool under load as well, although a bit jumpy in gaming, which is known for the model. So very happy so far. But just can't stand that there's only 1 Cpu fan on the tower, making me think it can get even cooler in there. So today, the C14s is coming in, and can't wait to see what it'll do in comparison.
29:43 dude this was a really great piece of advice for 3080 (FE) buyers! 100% people in that category concerned about air cooling should pick up the C14S!
He goes from clarity to clarity! Just deliver one top video after another, I can't thank You enough for Your deep tests and an open ear for suggestions. The NH-C14s does indeed look very promising in combination with a RTX 3080 FE. If I can snag a card I will definately look into including it into my build :) Keep up the good work and hope your channel will explode with subscribers, you're worth it :)
WIth the recent explosion in popularity of this case, and the addition of the thermalright phantom spirit 120 and silver soul 135 to the market, have you considered revisiting this and updating the cooling results? Both are high performance dual tower coolers that come with fairly decent stock fans and are showing cooling potential capable of keeping a 12900k under Tmax
Great detailed analysis. The only thing I would like to have seen added would be the VRM thermals. It would appear that the C14S would have the best VRM thermals as it's the only one blowing air across the motherboard but it would be nice to have confirmation.
Chris 8892 yep. Sure looks like a good contender for the job. The problem with TF is compatibility issues with a lot of boards (interference with the first dimm slot in particular). Be careful before you buy. Check out their website for motherboard compatibility (they have a mobo check tool).
Amazing coverage of the compatibility of this case. Might be of interest for you to check out the Cryorig H7 Ultra! It's a particularly interesting tower cooler for the NR200 as its only 145mm high which might allow you to fit the side bracket.
Just bought the C14S for my NR200 and trying to mount my Noctua A12. What clip did you use for this? I tried to use the 140mm clip but it didn’t end well ha
Are you able to mount something like the U12S so that it blows upward? Planning on getting an NR200P when they're finally available for sale. Two top exhaust fans, a Founders 3080, plus (likely) a CPU tower cooler rotated so that it blows upward. Takes advantage of the "chimney" effect, minimizes changes in airflow direction, and gives the 3080's pass-through exhaust an easy way out (directly to the top 120mm exhaust rather than getting sucked into a sideways cpu tower).
You could- with an Intel socket just rotate it 90 degrees. For AM4 you will either need to have the SE AM4 version or request the brackets from Noctua separately. I’m kind of curious myself how well that will work but I’m wondering if the GPU exhaust just gets dumped in pretty unilaterally from underneath. The 3080 may somehow work out well, we have to wait and see. However, for GPUs that exhaust out the sides, that may be a recipe for extra heat for the CPU. We’re still pretty tight on space so whether it’s bottom up or side out, it’s still intaking close to the GPU.
Wow thanks for this amazing video, incredibly helpful!! I was wondering what you think about this format and if this cools the CPU better th-cam.com/video/TUO59lwdB9I/w-d-xo.html -> Optimum Tech air cooled for the NR200
If you are ballsy you can try 4mm standoffs or modding the side panel if you already have a larger cooler. Just throwing out alternatives for people like me, that already had an old NH-D15 and didn't want to waste money on another cooler. I fell in love with this case and made it work. I chose to mod the side panel, but have seen a few cases of using shorter standoffs that worked just fine. The 4mm standoffs will cause some minor I/O displacement, but you should still be able to use everything just fine. Just be aware that it might cause issues with clearance for M.2 drives and you have to ensure the motherboard doesn't come close to the metal. You also have to ensure you have shorter screws that work in the shorter standoffs or use some kind of spacer. The modded side panel can actually turn out kind of cool. I provided an example below, not my mod btw. www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/igeyxv/cut_holes_in_my_nr200_to_fit_a_nhd15s/
@Machines & More If I already have 7x NF-A12's from a previous build and can occupy both top 2 and bottom 2 fans in the NR200, would the U12A be overall better than the C14S? Say having the U12A pulling air intake from the rear, 2 a12's intaking from the bottom and 2 a12's exhausting from the top? thanks
Well, it’s already better in that you don’t have to go out and buy another cooler 😎 Seriously though, if you already have a U12A, I wouldn’t go and buy another air cooler, since the U12A is close to the C14S. If you really need lowest CPU temps I’d be looking at a side mount AIO.The U12A is an objectively better cooler than the C14S, but in this case, and due to the position, it’s not as ideal if you have a moderate to high TDP GPU (and both CPU and GPU run simultaneously). The top to bottom fan direction is correct, but try the cooler out as a rear exhaust first, without bottom fans (in rear exhaust bottom fans make the CPU temps marginally worse and GPU marginally better, it’s a wash). You’ll find that as long as top exhaust is running, your thermals will be close to a rear intake with bottom fans running.
Sorry if I missed it, but I own a Gigabyte x570i, will the C14S still fit inside with the slighty different socket location? :) Shouldn't be a problem right?
Thanks for all the great videos, super helpful! Curious what motherboard you used for this one? I'm wondering if the lower placed CPU socket on the Asus or Asrock B550i boards would allow more space to install both of the 25mm top fans using the NH-C14s in the NR200? Or if not, might a rear 92mm exhaust give it some help?
Tank you so much! I was looking for this information everywhere! are you going to build NR200 with new NVIDIA 3000 cards too? it would be interesting since the fans on those cards are placed on different sides.
The C14S should fit with a top fan above it, just barely but it should fit! Maybe it didn't fit because it was the Gigabyte motherboard? Also, moving the PSU to the front case mount should allow to use a second 140mm under the heatsink (but it probably won't give a big temp difference). Here's an example configuration photo as a proof: imgur.com/NmY0CzS Anyway, great analysis and thank you for benchmarking!
You’re probably right on moving the shroud for fitting another fan under. As for above, I couldn’t even get a slim fan to work. It fit but the cover pressed the center in on the cooler so it couldn’t spin. A lower cpu socket on something like the Strix board would probably let the slim fan fit.
Good find! I also commented on this and foudn out that on Gigabyte boards the CPU socket is off center, put up more to the top and left corner. But it seems like Asus B450-I, B550-I and X570-I will fit like the pic in your link. Yay!
Most tower type air coolers are meant to take advantage of the typical air flow in a case - from front to back. Since the flow of air in this case is bottom to top, did you consider trying to orient the air coolers that way? Would love to know which ones would fit that way and if it had any effect on your results.
It's now possible to fit a D15-S now. There are a few modders out there who 3D printed spacers to create space for larger cpu towers and top hats for the nr200p to use a 240mm aio at the top. Along with atx psu brackets to fit an atx psu (max 150mm) inside.
This was so helpful, thanks for talking me out of the U12a and putting forth a good argument for the C14s. I'm curious about the clearance above the C14s and fan compatibility at the top of the case. I know you mentioned that the 120mm fan does not fit for the C14s, but does for the U12a. There's a 15mm difference in the width of the two, so a slim fan should fit above the C14s right? I think that if it does, the C14s would be better for this case not only because the GPU temps have better potential, but the slim fan should close the gap in CPU temps, if not allow it to perform better than the U12a, no?
You’re welcome. I couldn’t fit a slim fan over either since there was pressure on the center making it not turn. However- this part is heavily motherboard dependent and my test board happens to be one of the higher CPU sockets for ITX boards. If you’re running something lower like the Asus Strix boards, you will probably be able to fit a slim fan over, however you will need to determine how to attach it. The CPU temps are already on par with the U12A if you’re using a good pull fan under the heatsink. The top fan isn’t strictly needed at that point. The idea is that there’s still plenty of open space for the hot air to be expelled, either side, or top of the heatsink. There’s a generous amount of clearance between the heatsink and the motherboard so still room for air to move around. Putting the 140mm fan on the rad panel also really helps.
Thank you for your dedication to this case! How do you think the taller Top Down coolers from be quiet! would compare to the C14S? Namely the Shadow Rock TF2 and the Dark Rock TF.
thanx a LOT man I really injoyed this video and all the air cooling possibilities for nr200, if you can do the exact same thing with the Phanteks evolv shift 2 it will be amazing keep it up
Wow a mtb guy with a sff air cooling review... Sweet ❤️ But you should really try alpenföhn olymp & thermalright silver arrow not in nr200 but in general as i think they will beat d15 & you'll be the first one to review & compare them as thers not a single review on both (test with noctua fans as then it'll be even more epic) Ps: try arctic p12 & P14 they are 10 bucks each &. They are equally matched with a12 & a14 is anyways way worse than a12 so the p14 is anyday better than a14. (so the cost argument is dusted & done for upgraded fans)
Really a great video comparing the best air cooler for this case on the market! I could see a lot of efforts been put on this video! But I have one question, why did you test Scythe Fuma 2 as an intake instead of exhaust? Because based on the previous video when you are comparing which is the best fans orientation, it shows that cpu cooler tower is better to act as an exhaust?
Hey, thanks for the video. I have a question, I have 4 arctic p12 fans and a fuma 2. I'm using the NR200P (with TG panel), what do you think the best fan orientation would be (CPU is Ryzen 5 3600 and GPU is RX 6800)?
Could you try shifting the PSU bracket to the front so that dual 140mm fans can be mounted on the C14S? You also still get to use your 3.5" HDD mount on the PSU shroud this way. Btw, additional fan mounting clips can be requested from Noctua for free.
hi! can you make a comparison of the bequiet dark rock tf (topblower, 2x135 push/pull) vs the the noctua nh-c14s? as the price here in the eu is comparable, i am wondering if the 2 fans give the bequiet an advantage in performance in the NR200 (although it is 200g lighter).... PS: just found your channel yesterday and can't stop watching your vids! keep up the excellent work!
Thanks for doing all of this testing! It would be great if you could sum up all of your videos and just give a few recommendations. There's just too many hours of video here to watch it all. I recommend including benchmarks for 1) best low cost air cooling solution and configuration (maybe a $40-60 cooler, and 1-3 extra case fans ... whatever you can do for reasonable money while stopping before diminishing returns) and 2) best high end air cooler and case fan configuration (again while staying reasonable, 99% of people don't want to spend $100 in noctua case fans to gain 1 degree or 1 decibel), and then best aio water cooler and configuration... and I actually have ordered two NR200P cases, one black and one white... so it would be great to do the same final recommendations for these cases with glass, both horizontal and vertical gpu... I know this is a big ask but I think it will be helpful for a lot of people... and I know you have the data, lol
Could you please test "be quiet! Dark Rock TF" and compare? Im just about to buy an NR200 with ASUS 3070 TUF OC and AMD 5600X to my son for Christmas and overclock and want it to run as cool as possible for a loong period at the time... Im wondering if the layout on the DARK ROCK can have a bigger inpact on cooling the processor AND the VRM and m.2 drive!
Hi, so I don’t know whether you are going to react on this. I love your series as I tend to get the nr200 myself. I’m going to get a i9 9900k with a 3070 when it’s available. I don’t really use that many cpu heavy tasks, so my gpu is the main thing that has to stay cool. The thing is: where I live, the C14s(109€) is more expensive than the U12a(98€). I don’t mind spending more money if it works better. So I also looked at your aio vids and found the nzxt kraken x63 and ther Corsair H115i. I’m a little worried that an aio in this case wil get malfunctions due to little space. What would you, or anyone else recommend? Have a nice day and thanks again for the series, you’ve helped me out tremendously
I think the addition of the glass panel will restrict the ability of the C14s to draw cool air from the top, though it will have the back opening to help (an intaking 92mm would hugely help but unfortunately won't fit). I would think that you would be better off with a regular tower there since the airflow pattern is more dependent on the top fans. So, Fuma 2 or U12A depending on budget/cooling needs. And I am glad you enjoyed the videos!
Thanks, that's exactly what i was searching. Great job! So, the C14S can install a second 120mm fan, i thought that the included clip could only work with a 140mm fan. Thanks again!
Cheers- the included clip does only work with a 140. I have a 120mm clip from another cooler and it worked, if you don’t have one you could request from Noctua.
I'm a bit confused as I've read conflicting info, but does anyone know if there's enough space to fit a 15mm fan in the top of the case above the C14S?
You need to try this configuration instead as it would show the best thermals/performance. Noctua U12A in intake position. 2 x bottom fans intake, 2 x top exhaust and 1 x side exhaust. Can be done on a modified side panel. See here (gpu removed for better pictures) - also PSU with Noctua fan: imgur.com/a/MMcooWO
Cheers, great setup there. For sure, with high TBP GPUs rear intake with 2X bottom and 2X top is the way to go. Thanks for the input on the side exhaust, will test and revisit that setup in part II of Optimizing Air Cooling! The Noctua fan trick is pretty awesome... but I’ll refrain from showing how folks can open their PSUs because even though it can be safely done, it can get unsafe with the wrong hands really quickly.
@@MachinesMore Thanks for the reply! The Noctua fan in the PSU is only for bringing down the noise levels as the Corsair SF600 fan was quite loud compared to the rest of the setup. It's an easy swap requiring minimal soldering. But yes, for sure - it requires some experience/knowledge to do safely.
I bought the C14S after you recommendet it.This was a good decision. I paired the cooler with a i7 1170K. The cooler keeps the CPU cool and does this job relatively quiet for the tiny NR200P. Yes you can hear the fan spinning but it is ok for the dimensions of the case. Overall I am happy with the cooler. Thank you :)
Amazing video. I am going to build in this case with the C14S 2 fan configuraton. Does a NF-A12x15 fit above the cpu cooler on the top panel, combined with an A12x25 next to it? (dual fan top panel setup) Would the slim fan be any added value to thermals? Thanks!
I can’t confirm since I don’t have the TG panel yet. I’ve seen yes though from some users, I would think that the 2mm difference between the two versions would make the U12A very iffy and the Fuma would still be OK, since it’s 3mm shorter than the U12A. The mesh panels will have flex though, so that can absorb some excess height.
For whatever reason, I cannot get my PC ( ASROCK Fatal1ty z370 ac/itx with 9600k ) to boot with the Fuma 2 cooler installed. I had researched and tried for hours to get it to boot, including resetting CMOS, replacing the RAM, trying one stick of RAM at a time in different slots, reseating the cooler, trying numerous different tolerances of tightness on the cooler, etc., and nothing works except putting back on my old Corsair H60 AIO. I even put one-sided foam tape on the backplate facing the board in case the metal backplate might be making any contact at all with anything, to no change. And each time it's been obvious that the bead of thermal paste I put on has spread out very well to cover the CPU, and I've been very careful to tighten it up evenly. There's nothing left I can think of to try. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :D I've have had no problem at all with other coolers such as the Noctua U14S, Hyper 212, other AIO's and stock coolers on numerous other builds and have had the Noctua cooler on this same mobo in a larger case before. I was really hoping to get this one working, as I didn't want to go with an AIO I can't keep an eye on with the NR200P because of having to use the vented panel. Anyway, I'm definitely open to any further ideas, and maybe someone else will have a similar problem at some point and won't feel too alone. :D For now, I'm just going to work on zip-tying the 120 AIO to the side frame after putting 2 120 mm fans in a push/pull config on it and to be able to position it so the intake fans will also blow directly onto the mobo similar to as if I were using a C14S.
Question… will it POST when the fan cables are not plugged in? I vaguely recall a similar situation awhile back that someone commented on and it was because the fan splitter or cable was incompatible.
@@MachinesMore Hi, and thanks so much for your great videos -- I've been watching plenty -- and your question/reply. 8) I tried it with both fans going to the CPU fan header with the supplied splitter and also tried going separately after that didn't work, one going to the CPU fan header and one going to the OPT/pump header. Each time I removed the Fuma 2 cooler and applied the H60, it booted with everything else connected the same way. If I wasn't out of time, I'd take it apart and reapply the Fuma 2 one more time just to make absolutely sure no part of the cooler is contacting any front part on the motherboard, like a pipe touching one of the memory chips or something. I think I would have noticed it when putting the cooler on each time, but my attention was more caught up in if I was getting each of the 2 bolts started correctly and tightening evenly with each other. :D It's the only thing left I can think of to check. But my H60 is crammed in now with a push/pull config (about to zip tie it now) and working with a barely-fitting Red Devil 6800 XT (I had to take off the I/O little plastic sheath organizer from the end of the cable, as it was putting pressure on the back of the card, pushing it down). I'm just glad it's working now. But when I have time again at some point, I'll likely try the Fuma 2 again and appreciate the quality of the cooler, and I intend to come back here and post if I can get it working. Thanks so much again. :)
That’s so weird, I’m genuinely curious what’s going on. It uses the stock AM4 backplate so shorting things out on the board shouldn’t be an issue. If you do try it again, I would try to POST first with nothing plugged onto the headers (it’s fine to run fanless just to see if it will start, there’s enough thermal mass for the cooler work work passively for at least awhile). If the cable on either fan is damaged it might be the issue… and if it does start without fans plugged in then one or both of the fans are faulty.
If u get the mounting bracket for the c14 itll allow you to switch position of the heatsink and free up room to put a 140mm underneath and a 92mm rear. Atleast thats what ncase m1 people do. Also a 92mm doesnt fix on the rear with the c14? Looks like it would with all that space
Good idea! I thought it would, actually I was SURE it would when I installed it but it is just a tad too tight. I’ll try it again if I get my hands on the brackets.
@@crassy3093 Slim 92 probably, but at that point I'd just let it run passive, the obstruction to the airflow path may be more counterproductive than just leaving it open. Another intake fan next to the heatsink fan didn't do too much. Too much intake in the case at that point, I had two bottom, one A14 on the side, you have to balance things out especially since there's only one exhaust fan on the top right.
hi bro. watched your video about the case "Master NR200" ... I do not understand spoken English well. ... Can you tell me about landing Noctua NH-C14S at " ASUS ROG Strix X570-I Gaming" , or "GIGABYTE X570 I AORUS Pro Wi-Fi". on the website "noctua.at" they write "The I / O Shroud is too big." how did you get around this limitation?
I know this is old, but I bought a scythe fuma 2 rev b (fans speed up to 1500rpm). What would be the best fan configuration in nr200 vented panel? do I have to flip any of the fans so both either intake or exhaust? I have a ryzen 5 5600x(I'll probably stick to stock speeds) and an asus dual 3060(small card with 2 fans). I also have two Noctua A12x15 PWM 55.44 CFM 120 mm Fan and one of the same in chromax black. Thanks!
Do you think the C14S has enough clearance for a pair of Trident Z Neo DIMMs on an ASUS ROG Strix X570-i with an NF-A12x25 installed underneath? Looking at noctua.at/en/nh-c14s/faq#128, I see that there is 67 mm of clearance. Subtracting the 25 mm of the NF-a12x25, that leaves 42 mm of clearance and it appears that the Trident Z Neo modules are 41 mm each. So it appears that it will fit, but I'm curious if you have real world experience with this configuration.
Hey man does this still apply now? or are there better air coolers for this case? My set up is: MPG B550i GAMING EDGE WIFI AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 3070 Twin Edge G. Skill Trident Z Neo Series DDR4 32 GB Ram I have two noctua NF-A12x25 PWM fans gonna put them on the top exhausting. I'm about to do a case swap to the NR200 just want to make sure I get the best possible air cooler for my build. My budget is high Also my NR200 is all mesh. No tempered glass
I have the Gigabyte Aorus X570 I Mini ITX motherboard, you showed that the socket is slightly higher than the Asus motherboard, do you think the U12A will fit with a NF-A12x25 on top of it? At 12:10, where it shows you fitting a U12A with I assume a 25 mm fan on top of it, is that using the Asus motherboard? If so, then the Gigabyte X570 I motherboard + U12A probably won't be able to fit a 25 mm thick fan on top of it.
How did only 2 allow the 1.25v overclock. What was your stopping point for temperatures? 45° delta over ambient is only 65° in a 20° ambient. Tons of headroom there.
Regarding the Noctua NH-U12A section about thermal differences and overclocking headroom: the data is good, however you can't use "percent" differences when talking about temperature deltas unless you're measuring in Kelvin. 0 degrees C is not actual 0 😁These differences are still interesting though.
I'm thinking of getting this case and a C14S, I have a spare Noctua NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM, do you think I'd be able to use that mounted under the heatsink with the 140mm fan mounted on the HDD panel? I assume it would since it's PWM, but I don't know for sure since you mentioned how important it is for the two fans to work together at the same speeds.
ZS A4 reviews pleaseee... I want to see how much of a 3090 thickness it can get with a mini cpu cooler like alpehnfon. It be great for us GPU renderers, we don't use cpu that much anyway.
Purchased U12A. Case NR200P. Mother board : 490i Unify from MSI. TG is far from closing. Vented pannel closes perfectly without bulging. Can tell if heatpipes touch the pannel, but if it does, there is no stress. Had Mugen5 for short time, not U12A. Noctua's cooler is much better. Temps are way lower for i9 10900 non k with power limits removed. With noctua ~70 (thermal paste NT-H1), with scythe up to high 80 ( stock scythe thermal paste) when testing in Cinebench r23. Mugen 5 was fully compatible with TG pannel.
Hi, i have an NR200P, an RTX 3080 and i just bought a 5900X that i will receive soon to replace my 2700X (used with a Noctua NH-L9a-AM4) which cooler do you recommand me (i want to keep the case of the window so C14S seems not to be the good one for me) ? my motherboard is a Gigabyte AORUS B450i Pro Wifi.
it's just a waste of time... just reverse the fan airflow to the intake and get -10 degrees. coolermaster recommends to do that, this case is designed to work that way. Why everyone keep doin' it the old way? I've got i9 9900 cooled by a cheap ass tower cooler and it's 74 degrees C in 100% load. sooo... you won't need huge cooler if you install it in the right way
Question, are You using the Asus Strix X570-I in this testing? Or is it a Gigabyte? Cause I've read about top fan clearing issues with NH-C14s on brands like Gigabyte, but som claim on Asus is no problem. And also found this pic: imgur.com/yJchAvj but it seems to be on Asus B450-I. Trying to help us all out with the optimal combination of parts with the upcoming RTX 3080 FE :D
The Asus will give you a bit more clearance but I’m not convinced it will give you a full 25mm fan. I could see a slim fan fitting. My testing with the NR200 is with the Gigabyte X570 ITX.
@@MachinesMore Thanks for the answer, it seems like it might fit - just barely. But I guess we'll see how it goes once I get all parts. A sidequestion, how loud is your system during normal use and/or gaming?
Nobody mentions that a huge heatsink sitting above the GPU will block airflow. Do you recommend coolers that can be oriented upwards to exhaust hot air out the top of the case rather than the back, with the CPU fan pulling hot air away from the GPU upwards, rather than sideways?
Hey man i appreciate all of your work ypu do! We would lovw and appreciate an updraed version of this video as there are many new contenders in the market like the PA120 or AK620
Wanted to leave this here: I went with the C14S and was sill able to fit a 25x92mm fan in the back of the case with the blades just barely clearing the cooler heat pipes.
I already have the u12s laying around and a B550i gigabyte to use in the NR200, this marginal fit is too tight to recommend long term or good enough to screw in carry on? Thanks
Just to confirm optimal for C14S is two bottom mounted fans (intake) and one top mounted fan (exhaust). And that's really the only option because there isn't space for a 2nd top mounted fan? Or a rear mounted fan?
Quite happy with my Fuma2 cooling an R5 3600 on an MSI B450i. I have dual 120mm fans up top exhausting with 3-4mm clearance between the grill and the Fuma2. No rendering, just gaming and normal web browsing, so I run 2 120mm fans intaking under the Sapphire 5700XT to help GPU temps as the CPU isn't too stressed in the games I play. I've gradually shrunk my system down from a big mATX case to a Define NanoS and now the NR200, and ditched all my watercooling gear. Fantastic series of videos mate!
Can you do NR200 with downdraft coolers with darkrock tf2 or shadow rock tf2 with side fans intake? I am just wondering is it better than the tower cooler?
Hello. I could find a comment where this was answered. How did you attach the extra 120mm fan to the C14. Do the fan or cooler come with the bracket for it?
Do you just put the fan of the C14s on the side panel, and no fan directly attached to the heat sink? Does that impact thermal performance by having it off?
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DA MACHINE: You are the ONLY ONE as of now who made the most comprehensive analysis of NR200, and you have helped so many of us who are still waiting on the case itself to shape up the right cooling components of our builds. I cannot thank you enough for the tremendous amount of work you’ve done with these series. I’m sure I’m expressing the voice of the entire SFF community and NR200 fans in particular. Thank you!
Love it! I'm stoked that all of you are enjoying this, and there's still a lot more to come. This case certainly deserves the following it's building up and we absolutely need to give it the attention it deserves so that improvements, revisions, and competing products follow in the future, the future is bright for SFF!
Machines & More absolutely. By far this is the best case I’ve come across so far, and trust me, I’ve been watching the evolution of SFF cases for quite some time now, researching EVERY single case that was manufactured at this point. Considering it’s affordability AND hardware compatibility, this is by far one of the most accommodating cases on the market right now. No wonder it sparks so much interest! Don’t stop experimenting with it😎! Looking forward to the 3000 series videos now from u! Cheers! And again
- great work.
Machines & More also, there should be an equivalent to Cerberus X (just slightly larger than NR200) with full ATX boards support, yet implementing a SFF so we could take full advantage of the hardware. Cerberus and it’s bigger brother X-version lack radiator support. While it’s possible, the options are limited that’s the reason why I ended up NOT going with it.
@@MachinesMore Can I ask, with the C14S is it better to have the fan on the top side of the heatsink instead of on the side panel? Also I was thinking of putting a fan next to it on the side panel but as exhaust to help get rid of GPU heat, that woudn't megatively affect CPU right?
@@MachinesMore Could you do a review on the 2020 update of the Dark Rock TF?
Man, your work on this case is simply beyond words. Thank you thousand times for all this comprehensive info.
You are very welcome!
I feel the same way, thank you very much! I just subscribed
@@MachinesMore thanks a lot indeed! I have migrated parts from the TU150 into the nr200 last week, since the GPU (3080 XC3 from Evga) was just getting choked with high thermals as a result. CPU temps (5800x) were great when paired with the Scythe Mugen 5 PCGH edition, which makes sense, considering the airflow of the case. I have slapped a single NF-A12 on now for intake since a second Scythe fan did not fit the case in the back for the pull/exhaust with the I Aorus x570 mobo. 2 slim Scythe Kaze flex are mounted under the GPU. 1 included top fan as exhaust. Aesthetically I would love a 2 fan exhaust in the top, so not sure how to approach that yet.
Results for now: GPU temps under stress load are 7-9 (!!!) degrees lower than in the old case, with less fan noise. CPU is cool under load as well, although a bit jumpy in gaming, which is known for the model.
So very happy so far. But just can't stand that there's only 1 Cpu fan on the tower, making me think it can get even cooler in there.
So today, the C14s is coming in, and can't wait to see what it'll do in comparison.
@@MachinesMorethe phantom spirit can fit and has better thermals and is quieter
Being an NR200 owner this channel is definitely appreciated. Excellent quality work.
29:43 dude this was a really great piece of advice for 3080 (FE) buyers! 100% people in that category concerned about air cooling should pick up the C14S!
He goes from clarity to clarity! Just deliver one top video after another, I can't thank You enough for Your deep tests and an open ear for suggestions. The NH-C14s does indeed look very promising in combination with a RTX 3080 FE. If I can snag a card I will definately look into including it into my build :) Keep up the good work and hope your channel will explode with subscribers, you're worth it :)
WIth the recent explosion in popularity of this case, and the addition of the thermalright phantom spirit 120 and silver soul 135 to the market, have you considered revisiting this and updating the cooling results? Both are high performance dual tower coolers that come with fairly decent stock fans and are showing cooling potential capable of keeping a 12900k under Tmax
Can you compare with the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B?
Would be nice to see which coolers have come out since this video that might be good options. :)
Great detailed analysis. The only thing I would like to have seen added would be the VRM thermals. It would appear that the C14S would have the best VRM thermals as it's the only one blowing air across the motherboard but it would be nice to have confirmation.
Tbh I'd love to see with with the dark rock TF included aswell
Yeah, it would be interesting to compare it to C14s.
Chris 8892 yep. Sure looks like a good contender for the job. The problem with TF is compatibility issues with a lot of boards (interference with the first dimm slot in particular). Be careful before you buy. Check out their website for motherboard compatibility (they have a mobo check tool).
I think it wont fit in cooler master nr200
Anique Waheed Abbasi it sure will. The case is not a problem. Some mobos are.
I have nr200 with darkrock tf
Amazing coverage of the compatibility of this case. Might be of interest for you to check out the Cryorig H7 Ultra! It's a particularly interesting tower cooler for the NR200 as its only 145mm high which might allow you to fit the side bracket.
Just bought the C14S for my NR200 and trying to mount my Noctua A12. What clip did you use for this? I tried to use the 140mm clip but it didn’t end well ha
There should be extra mounting inbox with C14 for a 120mm fan. (I think its 120mm but I'm sure there is one)
If you have leftover Arctic P12s, is it worth using these instead of the NR200 stock top fan(s)? This is for a 5800x
Does the Noctua U12A and U12S fin in the NR200P with the TG panel?
Are you able to mount something like the U12S so that it blows upward?
Planning on getting an NR200P when they're finally available for sale. Two top exhaust fans, a Founders 3080, plus (likely) a CPU tower cooler rotated so that it blows upward. Takes advantage of the "chimney" effect, minimizes changes in airflow direction, and gives the 3080's pass-through exhaust an easy way out (directly to the top 120mm exhaust rather than getting sucked into a sideways cpu tower).
You could- with an Intel socket just rotate it 90 degrees. For AM4 you will either need to have the SE AM4 version or request the brackets from Noctua separately. I’m kind of curious myself how well that will work but I’m wondering if the GPU exhaust just gets dumped in pretty unilaterally from underneath. The 3080 may somehow work out well, we have to wait and see. However, for GPUs that exhaust out the sides, that may be a recipe for extra heat for the CPU. We’re still pretty tight on space so whether it’s bottom up or side out, it’s still intaking close to the GPU.
Well I stuffed a NH-D15 in my NR200. Took a little massaging but not too bad.
Wow thanks for this amazing video, incredibly helpful!!
I was wondering what you think about this format and if this cools the CPU better
th-cam.com/video/TUO59lwdB9I/w-d-xo.html -> Optimum Tech air cooled for the NR200
Whats your opinion on air cooling with the tempered glass panel? Really dont wanna go to water, but i still wanna use the tg panel.
If you are ballsy you can try 4mm standoffs or modding the side panel if you already have a larger cooler. Just throwing out alternatives for people like me, that already had an old NH-D15 and didn't want to waste money on another cooler. I fell in love with this case and made it work. I chose to mod the side panel, but have seen a few cases of using shorter standoffs that worked just fine.
The 4mm standoffs will cause some minor I/O displacement, but you should still be able to use everything just fine. Just be aware that it might cause issues with clearance for M.2 drives and you have to ensure the motherboard doesn't come close to the metal. You also have to ensure you have shorter screws that work in the shorter standoffs or use some kind of spacer.
The modded side panel can actually turn out kind of cool. I provided an example below, not my mod btw.
www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/igeyxv/cut_holes_in_my_nr200_to_fit_a_nhd15s/
@Machines & More
If I already have 7x NF-A12's from a previous build and can occupy both top 2 and bottom 2 fans in the NR200, would the U12A be overall better than the C14S?
Say having the U12A pulling air intake from the rear, 2 a12's intaking from the bottom and 2 a12's exhausting from the top?
thanks
Well, it’s already better in that you don’t have to go out and buy another cooler 😎 Seriously though, if you already have a U12A, I wouldn’t go and buy another air cooler, since the U12A is close to the C14S. If you really need lowest CPU temps I’d be looking at a side mount AIO.The U12A is an objectively better cooler than the C14S, but in this case, and due to the position, it’s not as ideal if you have a moderate to high TDP GPU (and both CPU and GPU run simultaneously). The top to bottom fan direction is correct, but try the cooler out as a rear exhaust first, without bottom fans (in rear exhaust bottom fans make the CPU temps marginally worse and GPU marginally better, it’s a wash). You’ll find that as long as top exhaust is running, your thermals will be close to a rear intake with bottom fans running.
Will you please do this video with the new intel i5 12600 cpu
Sorry if I missed it, but I own a Gigabyte x570i, will the C14S still fit inside with the slighty different socket location? :) Shouldn't be a problem right?
Thanks for all the great videos, super helpful! Curious what motherboard you used for this one? I'm wondering if the lower placed CPU socket on the Asus or Asrock B550i boards would allow more space to install both of the 25mm top fans using the NH-C14s in the NR200? Or if not, might a rear 92mm exhaust give it some help?
Tank you so much! I was looking for this information everywhere! are you going to build NR200 with new NVIDIA 3000 cards too? it would be interesting since the fans on those cards are placed on different sides.
ya this guys rocks!
Sir - your channel is the premier location for all you need to know about the NR200 and cooling. Bravo.
The C14S should fit with a top fan above it, just barely but it should fit! Maybe it didn't fit because it was the Gigabyte motherboard? Also, moving the PSU to the front case mount should allow to use a second 140mm under the heatsink (but it probably won't give a big temp difference).
Here's an example configuration photo as a proof: imgur.com/NmY0CzS
Anyway, great analysis and thank you for benchmarking!
Didn't he say the motherboard height would make the difference?
You’re probably right on moving the shroud for fitting another fan under. As for above, I couldn’t even get a slim fan to work. It fit but the cover pressed the center in on the cooler so it couldn’t spin. A lower cpu socket on something like the Strix board would probably let the slim fan fit.
Good find! I also commented on this and foudn out that on Gigabyte boards the CPU socket is off center, put up more to the top and left corner. But it seems like Asus B450-I, B550-I and X570-I will fit like the pic in your link. Yay!
ASRock motherboards should fit as well. MSI and Gigabyte are problematic.
Super helpful. Please make more videos like these. Screw the fancy lighting, the BS sponsorships, you're vids are on point. Great Work!!!
Love to see the same test with the Scythe Big Shuriken Rev. 3
Most tower type air coolers are meant to take advantage of the typical air flow in a case - from front to back. Since the flow of air in this case is bottom to top, did you consider trying to orient the air coolers that way? Would love to know which ones would fit that way and if it had any effect on your results.
Would love to see an analysis of best air cooler with the TG glass option - its tricky!
The one thing I've seen is Hardware Canucks put a Cooler Master 212 Evo in this case (also 158mm) and he said that it also fits with the glass
Scythe Mugen 5 works in TG aswell.
@@simonbaker7462 what Mobo do you have?
@@thomasjackwelter gigabyte b550 itx
It's now possible to fit a D15-S now. There are a few modders out there who 3D printed spacers to create space for larger cpu towers and top hats for the nr200p to use a 240mm aio at the top. Along with atx psu brackets to fit an atx psu (max 150mm) inside.
Thermalright PS120 SE
This was so helpful, thanks for talking me out of the U12a and putting forth a good argument for the C14s. I'm curious about the clearance above the C14s and fan compatibility at the top of the case.
I know you mentioned that the 120mm fan does not fit for the C14s, but does for the U12a. There's a 15mm difference in the width of the two, so a slim fan should fit above the C14s right? I think that if it does, the C14s would be better for this case not only because the GPU temps have better potential, but the slim fan should close the gap in CPU temps, if not allow it to perform better than the U12a, no?
You’re welcome. I couldn’t fit a slim fan over either since there was pressure on the center making it not turn. However- this part is heavily motherboard dependent and my test board happens to be one of the higher CPU sockets for ITX boards. If you’re running something lower like the Asus Strix boards, you will probably be able to fit a slim fan over, however you will need to determine how to attach it. The CPU temps are already on par with the U12A if you’re using a good pull fan under the heatsink. The top fan isn’t strictly needed at that point. The idea is that there’s still plenty of open space for the hot air to be expelled, either side, or top of the heatsink. There’s a generous amount of clearance between the heatsink and the motherboard so still room for air to move around. Putting the 140mm fan on the rad panel also really helps.
Thank you for your dedication to this case! How do you think the taller Top Down coolers from be quiet! would compare to the C14S? Namely the Shadow Rock TF2 and the Dark Rock TF.
thanx a LOT man I really injoyed this video and all the air cooling possibilities for nr200, if you can do the exact same thing with the Phanteks evolv shift 2 it will be amazing
keep it up
Wow a mtb guy with a sff air cooling review... Sweet ❤️
But you should really try alpenföhn olymp & thermalright silver arrow not in nr200 but in general as i think they will beat d15 & you'll be the first one to review & compare them as thers not a single review on both (test with noctua fans as then it'll be even more epic)
Ps: try arctic p12 & P14 they are 10 bucks each &. They are equally matched with a12 & a14 is anyways way worse than a12 so the p14 is anyday better than a14. (so the cost argument is dusted & done for upgraded fans)
Really a great video comparing the best air cooler for this case on the market!
I could see a lot of efforts been put on this video!
But I have one question, why did you test Scythe Fuma 2 as an intake instead of exhaust?
Because based on the previous video when you are comparing which is the best fans orientation, it shows that cpu cooler tower is better to act as an exhaust?
Hey, thanks for the video. I have a question, I have 4 arctic p12 fans and a fuma 2. I'm using the NR200P (with TG panel), what do you think the best fan orientation would be (CPU is Ryzen 5 3600 and GPU is RX 6800)?
Could you try shifting the PSU bracket to the front so that dual 140mm fans can be mounted on the C14S? You also still get to use your 3.5" HDD mount on the PSU shroud this way. Btw, additional fan mounting clips can be requested from Noctua for free.
Thanks for the free fan clips from Noctura tip - just sent them an email :-)
Best video for NR200 air cooled setup on youtube! Good job, just what I wanted to see.
Glad it helped!
hi! can you make a comparison of the bequiet dark rock tf (topblower, 2x135 push/pull) vs the the noctua nh-c14s? as the price here in the eu is comparable, i am wondering if the 2 fans give the bequiet an advantage in performance in the NR200 (although it is 200g lighter)....
PS: just found your channel yesterday and can't stop watching your vids! keep up the excellent work!
Would've loved to see dark rock tf in this comparison, how would it compare to c14s?
Thanks for doing all of this testing! It would be great if you could sum up all of your videos and just give a few recommendations. There's just too many hours of video here to watch it all.
I recommend including benchmarks for 1) best low cost air cooling solution and configuration (maybe a $40-60 cooler, and 1-3 extra case fans ... whatever you can do for reasonable money while stopping before diminishing returns) and 2) best high end air cooler and case fan configuration (again while staying reasonable, 99% of people don't want to spend $100 in noctua case fans to gain 1 degree or 1 decibel), and then best aio water cooler and configuration...
and I actually have ordered two NR200P cases, one black and one white... so it would be great to do the same final recommendations for these cases with glass, both horizontal and vertical gpu... I know this is a big ask but I think it will be helpful for a lot of people... and I know you have the data, lol
Could you please test "be quiet! Dark Rock TF" and compare? Im just about to buy an NR200 with ASUS 3070 TUF OC and AMD 5600X to my son for Christmas and overclock and want it to run as cool as possible for a loong period at the time... Im wondering if the layout on the DARK ROCK can have a bigger inpact on cooling the processor AND the VRM and m.2 drive!
Hi, so I don’t know whether you are going to react on this. I love your series as I tend to get the nr200 myself. I’m going to get a i9 9900k with a 3070 when it’s available. I don’t really use that many cpu heavy tasks, so my gpu is the main thing that has to stay cool. The thing is: where I live, the C14s(109€) is more expensive than the U12a(98€). I don’t mind spending more money if it works better. So I also looked at your aio vids and found the nzxt kraken x63 and ther Corsair H115i. I’m a little worried that an aio in this case wil get malfunctions due to little space. What would you, or anyone else recommend? Have a nice day and thanks again for the series, you’ve helped me out tremendously
I’ve really enjoyed your series of videos on the NR200. I’d be interested to know what your recommended cooler would be when fitting the TG.
I think the addition of the glass panel will restrict the ability of the C14s to draw cool air from the top, though it will have the back opening to help (an intaking 92mm would hugely help but unfortunately won't fit). I would think that you would be better off with a regular tower there since the airflow pattern is more dependent on the top fans. So, Fuma 2 or U12A depending on budget/cooling needs. And I am glad you enjoyed the videos!
@@MachinesMore Will the TG close with the U12A? TBH I expected more from the Fuma 2 here.
50dB testing. Try 35dB.
Thanks, that's exactly what i was searching. Great job!
So, the C14S can install a second 120mm fan, i thought that the included clip could only work with a 140mm fan. Thanks again!
Cheers- the included clip does only work with a 140. I have a 120mm clip from another cooler and it worked, if you don’t have one you could request from Noctua.
@@MachinesMore ah, I see. Thanks
@@MachinesMore how
I'm a bit confused as I've read conflicting info, but does anyone know if there's enough space to fit a 15mm fan in the top of the case above the C14S?
Scythe mugen 5?
Good job man, another great video. Very in depth testing. Keep it up with this level of detail and your channel will definitely grow!
I'm using NR200 with Aorus B550i and NH-U12S and it fits without "bulging" and with OEM top fans.
Really great informative video, i will be using a c14s when i buy a nr200!
you sir got a new subscriber! :)
Awesome, thank you!
You need to try this configuration instead as it would show the best thermals/performance. Noctua U12A in intake position. 2 x bottom fans intake, 2 x top exhaust and 1 x side exhaust. Can be done on a modified side panel. See here (gpu removed for better pictures) - also PSU with Noctua fan: imgur.com/a/MMcooWO
Cheers, great setup there. For sure, with high TBP GPUs rear intake with 2X bottom and 2X top is the way to go. Thanks for the input on the side exhaust, will test and revisit that setup in part II of Optimizing Air Cooling! The Noctua fan trick is pretty awesome... but I’ll refrain from showing how folks can open their PSUs because even though it can be safely done, it can get unsafe with the wrong hands really quickly.
@@MachinesMore Thanks for the reply! The Noctua fan in the PSU is only for bringing down the noise levels as the Corsair SF600 fan was quite loud compared to the rest of the setup. It's an easy swap requiring minimal soldering. But yes, for sure - it requires some experience/knowledge to do safely.
Love it man. Just randomly stumbled across your channel while looking for some info. Def got a sub from me.
Excellent video! Hoping for a brief follow-up retest once AM5 Zen4 and Raptor Lake arrives :) especially with the power-hungry new GPUs also.
Awesome! Please please do one with the glass panel!
I bought the C14S after you recommendet it.This was a good decision. I paired the cooler with a i7 1170K. The cooler keeps the CPU cool and does this job relatively quiet for the tiny NR200P. Yes you can hear the fan spinning but it is ok for the dimensions of the case. Overall I am happy with the cooler. Thank you :)
Please review the Scythe Ninja 5. Barely fits the nr200, but it's the biggest cooler available for this case
Amazing video. I am going to build in this case with the C14S 2 fan configuraton. Does a NF-A12x15 fit above the cpu cooler on the top panel, combined with an A12x25 next to it? (dual fan top panel setup)
Would the slim fan be any added value to thermals?
Thanks!
Hello, there's some confusion in reddit and nr200p forums on whether the Fuma 2 fits with the TG or not, can you confirm with your experience?
I can’t confirm since I don’t have the TG panel yet. I’ve seen yes though from some users, I would think that the 2mm difference between the two versions would make the U12A very iffy and the Fuma would still be OK, since it’s 3mm shorter than the U12A. The mesh panels will have flex though, so that can absorb some excess height.
Your extensive coverage of this case and FE combo is so good snd hits such a good sweet spot! Thank you!
For whatever reason, I cannot get my PC ( ASROCK Fatal1ty z370 ac/itx with 9600k ) to boot with the Fuma 2 cooler installed. I had researched and tried for hours to get it to boot, including resetting CMOS, replacing the RAM, trying one stick of RAM at a time in different slots, reseating the cooler, trying numerous different tolerances of tightness on the cooler, etc., and nothing works except putting back on my old Corsair H60 AIO. I even put one-sided foam tape on the backplate facing the board in case the metal backplate might be making any contact at all with anything, to no change. And each time it's been obvious that the bead of thermal paste I put on has spread out very well to cover the CPU, and I've been very careful to tighten it up evenly.
There's nothing left I can think of to try. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :D I've have had no problem at all with other coolers such as the Noctua U14S, Hyper 212, other AIO's and stock coolers on numerous other builds and have had the Noctua cooler on this same mobo in a larger case before. I was really hoping to get this one working, as I didn't want to go with an AIO I can't keep an eye on with the NR200P because of having to use the vented panel. Anyway, I'm definitely open to any further ideas, and maybe someone else will have a similar problem at some point and won't feel too alone. :D For now, I'm just going to work on zip-tying the 120 AIO to the side frame after putting 2 120 mm fans in a push/pull config on it and to be able to position it so the intake fans will also blow directly onto the mobo similar to as if I were using a C14S.
Question… will it POST when the fan cables are not plugged in? I vaguely recall a similar situation awhile back that someone commented on and it was because the fan splitter or cable was incompatible.
@@MachinesMore Hi, and thanks so much for your great videos -- I've been watching plenty -- and your question/reply. 8) I tried it with both fans going to the CPU fan header with the supplied splitter and also tried going separately after that didn't work, one going to the CPU fan header and one going to the OPT/pump header. Each time I removed the Fuma 2 cooler and applied the H60, it booted with everything else connected the same way. If I wasn't out of time, I'd take it apart and reapply the Fuma 2 one more time just to make absolutely sure no part of the cooler is contacting any front part on the motherboard, like a pipe touching one of the memory chips or something. I think I would have noticed it when putting the cooler on each time, but my attention was more caught up in if I was getting each of the 2 bolts started correctly and tightening evenly with each other. :D It's the only thing left I can think of to check. But my H60 is crammed in now with a push/pull config (about to zip tie it now) and working with a barely-fitting Red Devil 6800 XT (I had to take off the I/O little plastic sheath organizer from the end of the cable, as it was putting pressure on the back of the card, pushing it down). I'm just glad it's working now. But when I have time again at some point, I'll likely try the Fuma 2 again and appreciate the quality of the cooler, and I intend to come back here and post if I can get it working. Thanks so much again. :)
That’s so weird, I’m genuinely curious what’s going on. It uses the stock AM4 backplate so shorting things out on the board shouldn’t be an issue. If you do try it again, I would try to POST first with nothing plugged onto the headers (it’s fine to run fanless just to see if it will start, there’s enough thermal mass for the cooler work work passively for at least awhile). If the cable on either fan is damaged it might be the issue… and if it does start without fans plugged in then one or both of the fans are faulty.
If u get the mounting bracket for the c14 itll allow you to switch position of the heatsink and free up room to put a 140mm underneath and a 92mm rear. Atleast thats what ncase m1 people do. Also a 92mm doesnt fix on the rear with the c14? Looks like it would with all that space
Good idea! I thought it would, actually I was SURE it would when I installed it but it is just a tad too tight. I’ll try it again if I get my hands on the brackets.
@@MachinesMore do you think a slim 92mm would work? also putting another 140mm next to the c14s on exhaust should help with thermals too right?
@@crassy3093 Slim 92 probably, but at that point I'd just let it run passive, the obstruction to the airflow path may be more counterproductive than just leaving it open. Another intake fan next to the heatsink fan didn't do too much. Too much intake in the case at that point, I had two bottom, one A14 on the side, you have to balance things out especially since there's only one exhaust fan on the top right.
Thanks to your videos, I've made this exact setup with NR200, C14S & deshrouded 3080, works like a dream.
hi bro. watched your video about the case "Master NR200"
... I do not understand spoken English well.
... Can you tell me about landing Noctua NH-C14S
at " ASUS ROG Strix X570-I Gaming"
, or "GIGABYTE X570 I AORUS Pro Wi-Fi". on the website "noctua.at" they write "The I / O Shroud is too big."
how did you get around this limitation?
Like before even start watching it :)
You rock!
Hi, i have a question, the Arctic Freezer Esport duo does fit in this case?
I know this is old, but I bought a scythe fuma 2 rev b (fans speed up to 1500rpm). What would be the best fan configuration in nr200 vented panel? do I have to flip any of the fans so both either intake or exhaust? I have a ryzen 5 5600x(I'll probably stick to stock speeds) and an asus dual 3060(small card with 2 fans). I also have two Noctua A12x15 PWM 55.44 CFM 120 mm Fan and one of the same in chromax black. Thanks!
Do you think the C14S has enough clearance for a pair of Trident Z Neo DIMMs on an ASUS ROG Strix X570-i with an NF-A12x25 installed underneath?
Looking at noctua.at/en/nh-c14s/faq#128, I see that there is 67 mm of clearance. Subtracting the 25 mm of the NF-a12x25, that leaves 42 mm of clearance and it appears that the Trident Z Neo modules are 41 mm each. So it appears that it will fit, but I'm curious if you have real world experience with this configuration.
Hey man does this still apply now? or are there better air coolers for this case?
My set up is:
MPG B550i GAMING EDGE WIFI
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 3070 Twin Edge
G. Skill Trident Z Neo Series DDR4 32 GB Ram
I have two noctua NF-A12x25 PWM fans gonna put them on the top exhausting.
I'm about to do a case swap to the NR200 just want to make sure I get the best possible air cooler for my build. My budget is high
Also my NR200 is all mesh. No tempered glass
What about the Dark Rock TF? I was thinking of running that in this case.
Based on another review, the Dark Rock TF performs equal or slightly better than the C14S while being a decent amount quieter.
I have the Gigabyte Aorus X570 I Mini ITX motherboard, you showed that the socket is slightly higher than the Asus motherboard, do you think the U12A will fit with a NF-A12x25 on top of it? At 12:10, where it shows you fitting a U12A with I assume a 25 mm fan on top of it, is that using the Asus motherboard? If so, then the Gigabyte X570 I motherboard + U12A probably won't be able to fit a 25 mm thick fan on top of it.
How did only 2 allow the 1.25v overclock. What was your stopping point for temperatures? 45° delta over ambient is only 65° in a 20° ambient. Tons of headroom there.
All those issues with finding compatible air cooler for NR200 makes me want to go for NR200P Max with mesh panel...
Regarding the Noctua NH-U12A section about thermal differences and overclocking headroom: the data is good, however you can't use "percent" differences when talking about temperature deltas unless you're measuring in Kelvin. 0 degrees C is not actual 0 😁These differences are still interesting though.
I'm thinking of getting this case and a C14S, I have a spare Noctua NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM, do you think I'd be able to use that mounted under the heatsink with the 140mm fan mounted on the HDD panel? I assume it would since it's PWM, but I don't know for sure since you mentioned how important it is for the two fans to work together at the same speeds.
Do you think the Noctua NH-C14S can cool a Ryzen 9 7900x in the NR200 in your configuration?
Fantastic insight and presentation. Really impressive! Thank you!
ZS A4 reviews pleaseee... I want to see how much of a 3090 thickness it can get with a mini cpu cooler like alpehnfon. It be great for us GPU renderers, we don't use cpu that much anyway.
Purchased U12A. Case NR200P. Mother board : 490i Unify from MSI. TG is far from closing. Vented pannel closes perfectly without bulging. Can tell if heatpipes touch the pannel, but if it does, there is no stress.
Had Mugen5 for short time, not U12A. Noctua's cooler is much better. Temps are way lower for i9 10900 non k with power limits removed. With noctua ~70 (thermal paste NT-H1), with scythe up to high 80 ( stock scythe thermal paste) when testing in Cinebench r23.
Mugen 5 was fully compatible with TG pannel.
Hi, i have an NR200P, an RTX 3080 and i just bought a 5900X that i will receive soon to replace my 2700X (used with a Noctua NH-L9a-AM4) which cooler do you recommand me (i want to keep the case of the window so C14S seems not to be the good one for me) ? my motherboard is a Gigabyte AORUS B450i Pro Wifi.
it's just a waste of time... just reverse the fan airflow to the intake and get -10 degrees. coolermaster recommends to do that, this case is designed to work that way. Why everyone keep doin' it the old way? I've got i9 9900 cooled by a cheap ass tower cooler and it's 74 degrees C in 100% load. sooo... you won't need huge cooler if you install it in the right way
Question, are You using the Asus Strix X570-I in this testing? Or is it a Gigabyte? Cause I've read about top fan clearing issues with NH-C14s on brands like Gigabyte, but som claim on Asus is no problem. And also found this pic: imgur.com/yJchAvj but it seems to be on Asus B450-I. Trying to help us all out with the optimal combination of parts with the upcoming RTX 3080 FE :D
The Asus will give you a bit more clearance but I’m not convinced it will give you a full 25mm fan. I could see a slim fan fitting. My testing with the NR200 is with the Gigabyte X570 ITX.
@@MachinesMore Thanks for the answer, it seems like it might fit - just barely. But I guess we'll see how it goes once I get all parts. A sidequestion, how loud is your system during normal use and/or gaming?
For C14S with A14 fan on the bracket, do you use CPU Cooler PWM for the A14 fan and A12 fan below or the case fan hub?
Nobody mentions that a huge heatsink sitting above the GPU will block airflow. Do you recommend coolers that can be oriented upwards to exhaust hot air out the top of the case rather than the back, with the CPU fan pulling hot air away from the GPU upwards, rather than sideways?
Hey man i appreciate all of your work ypu do! We would lovw and appreciate an updraed version of this video as there are many new contenders in the market like the PA120 or AK620
Wanted to leave this here: I went with the C14S and was sill able to fit a 25x92mm fan in the back of the case with the blades just barely clearing the cooler heat pipes.
I already have the u12s laying around and a B550i gigabyte to use in the NR200, this marginal fit is too tight to recommend long term or good enough to screw in carry on? Thanks
Where would you place the dark rock tf
When you say that the C14s is incompatible with a 92mm fan, do you mean both 25mm and 15mm thick ones? Or just the 25mm?
Just to confirm optimal for C14S is two bottom mounted fans (intake) and one top mounted fan (exhaust). And that's really the only option because there isn't space for a 2nd top mounted fan? Or a rear mounted fan?
Quite happy with my Fuma2 cooling an R5 3600 on an MSI B450i. I have dual 120mm fans up top exhausting with 3-4mm clearance between the grill and the Fuma2. No rendering, just gaming and normal web browsing, so I run 2 120mm fans intaking under the Sapphire 5700XT to help GPU temps as the CPU isn't too stressed in the games I play. I've gradually shrunk my system down from a big mATX case to a Define NanoS and now the NR200, and ditched all my watercooling gear. Fantastic series of videos mate!
Thanks for sharing!
Why not buy the fuma 2 + 2 Artic P12 fans? The total cost i still lower than the U12A plus you can place the spare slim fan above the CPU!
Please try the Scythe Mugen 5 Black Edition with tempered glass.
Can you do NR200 with downdraft coolers with darkrock tf2 or shadow rock tf2 with side fans intake? I am just wondering is it better than the tower cooler?
Anyone know the best fan direction for ATX PSU in there? The PSU will try to suck air from CPU's side
Hello. I could find a comment where this was answered. How did you attach the extra 120mm fan to the C14. Do the fan or cooler come with the bracket for it?
Do you just put the fan of the C14s on the side panel, and no fan directly attached to the heat sink? Does that impact thermal performance by having it off?
My nr200p arrived have you tried the 3d custom desgins for full atx psu?