To be honest, in the 90s I would have never imagined that I would end up having access to a comparison and analysis of VR headsets by an ophthalmologist. And I already knew all of this, that's why I bought the Q3 a few months ago. But it's so enjoyable to listen to the little details.
Hey everyone I just got my Quest 3s two days ago and here’s my two cents. I am someone who is pretty new to VR. I have never owned a headset myself and I’ve only ever used someone else’s a handful of times several years ago. I think the Quest 3s was worth every penny. The image quality in game is great and you definitely become fully immersed in the games. The blur he speaks about is definitely real but in my opinion, it’s nothing that takes me out of the experience. It is really only noticeable in my far peripheral vision. The pass through is awesome and I have messed around with that more than games right now. The quality of pass through is good, the image is grainy especially in poor lighting. But in a well lit room it was pretty good, I was even able to read stuff on my phone. The quality of media like TH-cam or prime video in pass through was surprisingly good. I watching the full dungeons and dragons movie and had no issues. Is the quality better than my 4k tv?? Heck no. But I can’t take my tv in every room with me and resize the screen however I want. Is it better than watching something on my tablet or phone? Heck yes! The headset is awesome and as someone who is new to VR I believe the price point of the Quest 3S is an amazing deal. Oh and the Arkham Shadow game that is included is Fu***** AMAZING!! If y’all have any questions feel free to ask, I’ll do my best to answer anything😁
Thank you for your review! I’ve never had VR glasses before as well and was a bit afraid of buying one because I didn’t know if watching movies and stuff would also work well.
Is there any way to reduce the blurriness in the peripherals of the lenses? In Arkham Shadow, any time a text box appears in the top left or right corners of the lenses, I can _BARELY_ read it. I don't wear glasses or contacts, so the prescription add-on lenses would be useless to me.
@@elwoodjacobs4353 I know exactly what you’re talking about. I’m also playing through the game right now. The most important thing I’ve noticed about these lenses is making sure you are in that sweet spot, that means making sure the lenses are in the correct position and your headset strap is properly adjusted so you are getting the clearest image possible. Other than that there is not a whole lot you can do to change it. It is one of the downsides of the lenses and the main reason this headset cost $200 less than the premium.
I just bought a 3s and yeah…. That sweet spot is freaking tiny. You have to move your head and look to find the sweet spot, it’s not super noticeable when gaming or watching something but as soon as you go to read…. Haha, good luck. Things I wish I knew before I bought, but oh well.
Yeah, same actually... i honestly kinda regret not getting the regular Quest 3. The biggest reason i didn't get it though, is because of the price... they're €700 here in Sweden 🥴🥱
I got my quest 3s YESTERDAY and when I got home it was dark, and it was great when I played it in just light bulb light, but this morning when there's sun in the windows it's really blurry. The best way to deal with blurryness is play away from sunlight. (I wear glasses with my vr so it might be different. Also I am typing with the vr on]
A small advice for the guys, who wear glasses, but for some reasons can't buy VR lenses with prescription (for example, those are hard to get in my country), buy some silocon protection for you lenses, it won't let you glasses' lenses touch the lenses of a VR headset, saving them both from scratching
I ve just have my 3S and after I set it on my head correctly the only part which is really blurry is far sides. From my feelings 95% of image is cristal clear. Can easily see the sharp small text and details on pictures in the game. So I think you are right the image looks better. And the power and fps are insane
I be just have my 3S and after I set it on my head correctly the only part which is really blurry is far sides. From my feelings 95% of image is cristal clear. Can easily see the sharp small text and details on pictures in the game. So I think you are right the image looks better. And the power and fps are insane. I can remember the days of using first rift, and VR did a huge step forward.
My eyes measured right in between the middle and wide, plus my astigmatism made the 3S pretty blurry. Luckily, I could exchange for the 3 at Best Buy and just payed the difference. Totally worth it for the peripheral clarity. Thanks for the video.
I just watched your quest 3 video, thank you for making these videos! This was sooo useful! I just got a quest 3s today and I see the edges where i’m not looking blurry, and the texts too, the only thing I can see clearly is the point i’m facing. I have astigmatism so my eyes get tired very easily when I’m not focusing stuff with my eyes 🙈 and I feel some discomfort. I’m trying to get used to vr but the first hours were confusing I thought there was something not working for me, it’s not very comfortable
It seems like many people just can’t be satisfied with anything. People had fun with the quest 2 when it was newer and they still do. It’s mostly a given that things improve with each iteration but I don’t feel that justifies so much downplaying the quest 3s, especially with the price difference. I mean heck, I still enjoy original NES games even though I have a Switch and gaming pc. It comes down so much to use case
Good comment! It's true. Sometimes I feel bad making these videos. Like I said in the video, you really can have fun either way. When I am playing or using thr VR, I get lost in it and don't think about the details that much. I just know some struggle with the blur, and want to know the details, so I make the video to help them out.
quick clarification as per Through The Lenses footage the better processor lets the 3s do more software magic (apart from simply rendering at a higher resolution), which makes it look better than the 2 not even counting in game assets being able to be higher quality, the software algorithm used to display the pixels on the screen is a bit better it's still the same lens and display, but the software difference does make it look better
I ve just have my 3S and after I set it on my head correctly the only part which is really blurry is far sides. From my feelings 95% of image is cristal clear. Can easily see the sharp small text and details on pictures in the game. So I think you are right the image looks better. And the power and fps are insane
I thought it was just me and maybe I have forgotten but I don't remember it being this bad when I used my quest 2. It's Terrible if I decide to keep it I'm keeping the spacer in it helped even without glasses.... I think it may be time for that eye check up
Why did people expect the quest 3s to have the cream of the crop pancake lences? There is no way that Meta would ever make their cheaper headset compete with their more expensive standard for standalone vr. With that said tho, the biggest blunder Meta made with the 3s was to not include a proper IPD system. That could actually solve a lot of the blurriness.
Hey doc, just got the 3s and noticed it’s much clearer with my prescription glasses on than with my contacts on. Found this to be strange any thoughts?
I just got my meta quest 3 as a Christmas present and as soon as I put it on it was blurry, and when I lifted it up, it was better, but it kept sliding down
My problem with the fresnel lenses is the corners. I've been playing Batman Arkham Shadow, & any time a text box appears in the top right or left corner of the lense, I can _BARELY_ read it, & you can't move the text boxes to the center of the screen. Knowing that the lenses are basically unremovable, does anyone have any working ideas to improve the situation? I don't wear glasses or contacts, so the add-on prescription lenses are useless for me.
I'm also having the same issue I also hate the fact I can't drag screens when in the meta app closer to me I want the screen below me like an ipad since that'd be easier to type on for me / feel more natural
The first VR i ever tried was the free Oculus one that Samsung gave me years ago when I bought my phone. I thought that was really cool and not blurry. The 3S has to be better than that was.
Thanks for the honest review! I wish i came upon this channel sooner beofre buying my 3S but on the other hand, you just gained a sub :) P.S. You look like Oliver Queen from the DC show Arrow
guy i have the money to buy the 3s as my first VR headset but everyone is talking about the fresnel lenses and how bad it is so do i wait a couple months to get the extra 200$ to get a 3 or i just buy the 3s now?🤔
@@-SoniX- I’m sure the 3 is a better option but the 3s is just finicky. You have to adjust the width of the lenses and adjust the headset properly to find the sweet spot. Now that I got mine tuned in it’s not blurry looks to be a 1080p type clarity. I got mine as a gift from my wife so taking it back wouldn’t be cool. So I tinkered with it and it’s great. If you got the cash I’d say the upgrade is cool but I don’t think the 3s is bad.
Get the 3S and try it first. If you don't like it; return it and wait for the 3. After trying the 3S; I quite like it and it actually got me thinking of buying the 3. I honestly feel if you don't like the 3S I don't think you will like the 3.
Don’t know what’s more interesting: how we blink 60% less when looking at screens… or that someone’s actually counting how many times people blink when looking at different things.
Dr Eye Guy always does a great job explaining all the eye and visual problems of the Quests. I still want to know what happened to the Inseye Lumi eye tracking lens that was talked about a year ago. Seemed to have just dusappeared
The user-facing lenses in the Quest headsets (all models) are plastic, and though they're obviously optical-grade, they're not as scratch-resistant as glass lenses. So the advice to be careful about what type of cloth you use to clean them is good. Further inside the headset the other lenses in the system are glass. Meta chose to use plastic for the user-facing lenses both for safety (less likely to shed little bits into the user's eyes than glass, when scratched), as well as weight and cost savings.
I have the quest 3. Frankly using quest game optimizer and either contacts or for convinience I use Zenni prescription that literally clip onto the quest which helps a lot. That being said I can’t imagine plastic right in front of the screen doesn’t help. I think I had to put things into context. When I stopped treating the quest like a game console and more like an arcade machine well it’s the damn coolest arcade machine out there. Also, if I imagine the quest as having the power of like a ps4 with how it has to render at 72 hz minimum, ideally 90 or 120fps it makes sense a ps4 looks like trash. I mean it’s a switch on steroids in a headset that has to double render at a very high fps. Consoles and pc render one image. So double the rendering cost. And almost none of my series x games reach 120fps. I don’t think I’ll ever be a big vr guy it also hurts my neck I have neck pain. But for a disabled person it does provide a way to get some physical exercise and movement. Better yet it’s a lot more fun than a Wii. My god is it a pain to do tho. I hate being disabled makes life so much harder.
i am used to my eyesight being blurry, so it's why i don't mind having a 3S when i look at the world with a 3S view even with my glasses on i struggle to see
Great video presentation. I have. There is a slight correction in my left eye, hence the need for prescription glasses. Nice one on the vr glass will.check them out. Hopefully, it's not too expensive or a.gimic.
Hi, I have a Q3. I’m keen to hear about the blurryness with pass through. I’m not sure if it’s meant to be slightly blurry or not. To give an example I can’t read say anything with writing on it unless it’s up close. My surroundings alittle fuzzy. Is this meant to be the case ? I don’t know as I’ve only had it for like a month. No scratches or anything, just this is how it’s always been and I thought it was the norm. Any help would be appreciated.
This could be due to the cameras the the device, not the display itself. The quest uses 4MP (lower resolution) cameras so it makes sense why text is blurry
I have both headsets now, I bought the 3s to play with family members, and I would say this video is totally accurate. Honestly, I wouldn't be into VR if the 3s was as good as it gets. The pancake lenses are 💯 and they really should have found a way to get them in there, even if it cost a little bit more. They're a game changer and make vr way more enjoyable.
Q3S vs Q3 Pros of the Q3S compared to the Q3: - **16% better binocular overlap** this creates 2 circular "nose shadows" on Q3 screen which ~16% more noticeable than in Q3S because the Q3 lenses have 16% less surface area. - **40% or 20% cheaper (depending on Q3S version)** - 20 more minutes (+14%) of battery life (though battery life isn’t very important since you can just use a power bank in your pocket with the cable inside your shirt, or use swappable batteries and basically have infinite battery) - Ability to play in the dark (it has 2 IR illuminators) - For the same game/situation the Quest 3S actually has the *potential* for 30% higher fps/fidelity than Quest 3 (because it has the same internal specs but lower resolution). Cons of the Q3S compared to the Q3: - **23% lower resolution (however they have both the same default eye buffer resolution, which can be further increased using Quest Games Optimiser)** - **Uses Fresnel lenses instead of pancake lenses** (see note 2 below) - **Less memory space compared to the 512GB version of the Q3** - 20% bulkier - Less flexible IPD distance settings (Q3S has 3 settings, 58 63 and 68mm and Q3 has a slider 53 to 75mm) Note 1: Q3 and Q3S have the same GPU, CPU, default eye buffer resolution, VRAM, RAM, passthrough quality and color, fps range (72fps-120fps), weight, etc. Note 2: For me, the difference in lenses wasn’t significant compared to the difference in resolution (I’d say about 70% of the difference in image quality between headsets comes from resolution). But reading comments on Reddit, it’s clear that some people notice a big difference
@@3reefolD I'd say its a very hard choice because they both offer extreme value for their respective prices (you will love any of them). I'd also say Q3 is slightly better but since the difference in binocular overlap bugs me a bit and given that Q3S is way cheaper I went for the Q3S
Good video, my eyesight is better now I blink, look away and use drops sometimes thanks. As an aside, when you put the big fresnel sheet to your mouth I thought you might want to get that tooth straightened back in place. I had a few similar teeth and used clear aligners which was well worth it before they began to overlap too much.
@ Sorry don’t mean to make you self conscious, just the lower jaw middle tooth which is back quite a lot. Guess it’s probably not continuing to move but mine were (teeth can move as we age).
Quest 2 was way better hands down for these adjustments. I needed no special lenses to put in or had to ware my computer glasses. The latter is an instant deal breaker. I think I might have to look into getting Prescription lenses for VR.
What about motion sickness? I'm having trouble getting this thing to rest on my head comfortably, especially trying to figure out the sweet spot especially since it all seems the three adjustments for the lenses.. like I'm in between them or something. The up down left right and the distance and the tilt and it sliding in my face like you said pulling my eyelids out squeezing my head. I used it for a while yesterday but I did end up motion sick and I've seen suggestions about that but also it's not as clear as I would like, specifically text and the edges and the rays. I'm seriously considering updating too the 3 instead of 3s because the larger sweet spot and more pixels shines like my solution but I'm not sure if I'm even wearing the thing correctly in terms of lining my eyes up with the sweet spot and I think this has to have contributed to the motion sick feeling I was getting. (Yes I also read about vrlegs, teleporting, not using smooth motion. I didn't even know where those settings are tbh I haven't done much other than explore the metaverse stuff you start with. I just spent the last hour playing with the head strap trying to get it comfortable and positioned correctly with the least amount of blue and it gets pretty in focus but doesn't seem exactly right and the edges stretch a lil and it slips out of the sweet spot on my face and just everything you mentioned lol it's frustrating I've had this for a day
Nausea is more affected by frame rate than visual clarity. Some games will use a low refresh like 72hz to make the visuals look better which might contribute. But even with high frame rate many people would still have a period of adaptation because the brain has to get used to that type of stimuli via (gradual) exposure
@@quidnunc01100% correct. This is also why many people have problems with 3D movies. Expectingly 3D movies should be more natural/true to life and therefore more comfortable to watch which they are but the fact that you see something that looks so close to reality in only 24FPS messes with your brain and can give you great discomfort and nausea/headaches. That's why some movie directors are using higher frame rates like James Cameron for Titanic and the Avatar movies (but it's still only 48fps with some scenes in 24fps), Peter Jackson with The Hobbit movies and Ang Lee for Gemini man and Billy Lynn which were even done in 120fps which is so much more comfortable to watch and also way more realistic/immersive. And there are many more movies like Kung Fu Panda 4, Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire, The Wild Robot and Sonic the Hedgehog 3.
@@John-5737 For me it depends on the game and motion within it. I can play walkabout mini golf or eleven ping pong all day, but Red Matter gives me a massive headache. Too much artificial movement in VR seems to give me motion sickness.
@@Theartist-56788 appreciate the advise (everyone I didn't see the replies til now) I ended up trading it for the quest 3 and saw improvements but still gets to me a bit. I can play comfort games all day (well my eyes get strained eventually too) I love beat saber and I expect you to die games but like the other use mentioned games with artificial motion seem to get to me. I don't think it's as bad as before but tbh i haven't been played much lately. Still hoping I get my "vr legs" eventually. Still love the thing
The Quest 3s feels lighter and more comfortable. You still have to get the elite strap with built in battery because the strap it comes with is horrible
In my country it's 300 so the 325 is a deal breaker if you want more / better lenses get 3 but the 3s has the same proccesser as the 500 dollar one so in my opinion get 175 it's was really good
It lowers the barrier to entry for people on the fence to take there first steps into vr. Consider the meta quest 3s and quest 2 as the nintendo switch lite or the 2ds members of the meta ecosystem.
To make it fully compatible with all quest 3 games and apps? Silly statament if you think about it twice. Look at pastorsleeps comment, it`s a more opened approach on metas side for people unsure about VR.
@pixGu no lmao why would u make a product with the same power as ur newest product but with the bad display of ur old product it makes no sense just get the good one or stick with the old one🤔
@@pastorsleepthe "bad one" is the same as quest II's display. They made it like that to be fully compatible with Q3 games and to lower the entry point. You clearly have no idea about software development and how sales work... Different hardware = harder to make it compatible.
@@pastorsleepas someone who’s never owned a vr i’d rather not pay more than what i paid for my playstation 5…. this is a good product for people like myself who want to get into vr but don’t wanna splash money on something i don’t know if i’ll even like…
The biggest reason the Quests are blurry it´s because they can´t render high resolution textures: blurryness disapears when looking closely: i.e.: Alyx´s globes.
@ilcarlino752 Then why the same game running from a capable PC looks much less blurry? i.e. Vader Immortal, looks wonderful on a Rift S, which have much less resolution than the Quests.
@DrEyeGuy the pass-through is just too grainy so MR is just terrible. I guess for VR games it's ok but I have no interest in that. My main complaint was the marketing of usages that are simply not practical with the performance of pass through.
@christinemurray1444 I believe the quest 4 will be way better, but I currently have the 3s, and I think it's pretty good. It's definitely usable! But not perfect by any means. I really am curious how the Q3 looks though 🤔
@MrRunItUp it's ok for most games, for virtual office or productivity combining screens with text, it's just not usable. Sadly they used such situations heavily in their advertising campaigns which created false expectations.
@@MrRunItUp The Quest 3 is better but not really that much , yes it's clearer but don't expect a huge difference, I'm hoping the Quest 4 will be a lot better.
So the lenses make it not worth getting the 3s? Im not wasting $300 on garbage, if they were usable then i guess they would be worth it. I might just wait for the quest 4 instead of buying paoer weight
Honestly, if you want to experience VR and you’re not really that bugged about smaller things then get the quest three S but if you truly want the perfect one then yeah wait for the 4
@The-unemployed-Pizza yah man I'm wait especially after I noticed how quickly they cut off the quest 2 after release. I'm assuming they'll announce the 4 very soon.
@@Brian-bq8tj the quest tunes lifecycle was around 4 to 5 but I still think you can use a quest two because most of the popular games were made for quest two but for the future yeah the quest three and four are mandatory
Some people just get motion sick at first but if you keep playing you'll get used to it. 12 and under shouldn't use a headset as it can mess with eye development but otherwise you're fine.
The lenses are really clear like 100% for a 200 buck difference the only thing different is the lenses the 3s has better battery same processes so I'm stick with 3s
I'm contemplating about returning it aswell and getting some more money saved up for the 3
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I know right. Why doesn't this small, 300 dollar android device that runs on modified cellphone SOCs have AAA graphics? You do realise you can plug it into your PC and fix that though yea?
I don't. They cost thousands. That's why I appreciate the quests. Once you get immersed in a game you realise how unimportant fine details are when you're actually inside the game. Still, AAA graphics standalone would be very welcome.
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To be honest, in the 90s I would have never imagined that I would end up having access to a comparison and analysis of VR headsets by an ophthalmologist.
And I already knew all of this, that's why I bought the Q3 a few months ago. But it's so enjoyable to listen to the little details.
Hey everyone I just got my Quest 3s two days ago and here’s my two cents. I am someone who is pretty new to VR. I have never owned a headset myself and I’ve only ever used someone else’s a handful of times several years ago. I think the Quest 3s was worth every penny. The image quality in game is great and you definitely become fully immersed in the games. The blur he speaks about is definitely real but in my opinion, it’s nothing that takes me out of the experience. It is really only noticeable in my far peripheral vision. The pass through is awesome and I have messed around with that more than games right now. The quality of pass through is good, the image is grainy especially in poor lighting. But in a well lit room it was pretty good, I was even able to read stuff on my phone. The quality of media like TH-cam or prime video in pass through was surprisingly good. I watching the full dungeons and dragons movie and had no issues. Is the quality better than my 4k tv?? Heck no. But I can’t take my tv in every room with me and resize the screen however I want. Is it better than watching something on my tablet or phone? Heck yes! The headset is awesome and as someone who is new to VR I believe the price point of the Quest 3S is an amazing deal.
Oh and the Arkham Shadow game that is included is Fu***** AMAZING!! If y’all have any questions feel free to ask, I’ll do my best to answer anything😁
The 3s has a powerful processor, so you can bump the resolution up. Look up how to change texture resolution. It's a game changer
Thank you for your review! I’ve never had VR glasses before as well and was a bit afraid of buying one because I didn’t know if watching movies and stuff would also work well.
Is there any way to reduce the blurriness in the peripherals of the lenses? In Arkham Shadow, any time a text box appears in the top left or right corners of the lenses, I can _BARELY_ read it.
I don't wear glasses or contacts, so the prescription add-on lenses would be useless to me.
@@elwoodjacobs4353 I know exactly what you’re talking about. I’m also playing through the game right now. The most important thing I’ve noticed about these lenses is making sure you are in that sweet spot, that means making sure the lenses are in the correct position and your headset strap is properly adjusted so you are getting the clearest image possible. Other than that there is not a whole lot you can do to change it. It is one of the downsides of the lenses and the main reason this headset cost $200 less than the premium.
I second this, it's great. I don't think i'm going to touch the PS5 or watch youtube videos anywhere else if I don't have to.
I just bought a 3s and yeah…. That sweet spot is freaking tiny. You have to move your head and look to find the sweet spot, it’s not super noticeable when gaming or watching something but as soon as you go to read…. Haha, good luck. Things I wish I knew before I bought, but oh well.
Yeah, same actually... i honestly kinda regret not getting the regular Quest 3.
The biggest reason i didn't get it though, is because of the price... they're €700 here in Sweden 🥴🥱
TINY!!!! But I agree oh well still awesome!
I got my quest 3s YESTERDAY and when I got home it was dark, and it was great when I played it in just light bulb light, but this morning when there's sun in the windows it's really blurry. The best way to deal with blurryness is play away from sunlight. (I wear glasses with my vr so it might be different. Also I am typing with the vr on]
One thing I’ve found too is just to give your eyes a minute to adjust. It’s a little blurry at first
A small advice for the guys, who wear glasses, but for some reasons can't buy VR lenses with prescription (for example, those are hard to get in my country), buy some silocon protection for you lenses, it won't let you glasses' lenses touch the lenses of a VR headset, saving them both from scratching
I find a strip of blue tack around the edge of the quest lense prevents glasses from touching it on my quest 3s.
i had an Oculus Rift and now im getting meta uets 3s i thinks thats a big stepup :D
I ve just have my 3S and after I set it on my head correctly the only part which is really blurry is far sides. From my feelings 95% of image is cristal clear. Can easily see the sharp small text and details on pictures in the game. So I think you are right the image looks better. And the power and fps are insane
The best and more honest review about Quest 3s out there, thanks
I be just have my 3S and after I set it on my head correctly the only part which is really blurry is far sides. From my feelings 95% of image is cristal clear. Can easily see the sharp small text and details on pictures in the game. So I think you are right the image looks better. And the power and fps are insane.
I can remember the days of using first rift, and VR did a huge step forward.
you can move the lens in the middle of those 3 points by carefully sliding them between them.
pretty simple too, helped me out with making it clearer, i like to start out from the widest part, and move it closer a bit
If you're farsighted at all, using the glasses spacer may help with visual clarity.
My eyes measured right in between the middle and wide, plus my astigmatism made the 3S pretty blurry. Luckily, I could exchange for the 3 at Best Buy and just payed the difference. Totally worth it for the peripheral clarity. Thanks for the video.
For me, it’s not blurry at all. I adjusted the lenses just right for me, so I get a very clear experience
Play a game that needs good graphics like a shooter. Everything is blurry
I got VR ROCK's prescription lenses, and once I put them in my Quest 3S, everything is crystal clear.
I just bought my Q3 today. Super excited! My son has my old Q2. He loves it
Does it look slightly blurry when on and looking through pass through (around the house etc)? Can you read say book titles.
@@maverickt6726 the passthrough on the Quest 3 is the same as Quest 3s
I got a quest 3s for Christmas today is it good for first vr
Be happy with it, it's a great headset and it's cheap enough to be a good excuse to upgrade in just a few years.
Me too! Enjoying it so far!
The fresnel lenses were used on every meta headset before the quest pro
I just watched your quest 3 video, thank you for making these videos! This was sooo useful! I just got a quest 3s today and I see the edges where i’m not looking blurry, and the texts too, the only thing I can see clearly is the point i’m facing. I have astigmatism so my eyes get tired very easily when I’m not focusing stuff with my eyes 🙈 and I feel some discomfort. I’m trying to get used to vr but the first hours were confusing I thought there was something not working for me, it’s not very comfortable
Got mine and will return. The blur is absolutely awful you move your eyes barely and its a disaster
It seems like many people just can’t be satisfied with anything. People had fun with the quest 2 when it was newer and they still do. It’s mostly a given that things improve with each iteration but I don’t feel that justifies so much downplaying the quest 3s, especially with the price difference. I mean heck, I still enjoy original NES games even though I have a Switch and gaming pc. It comes down so much to use case
Good comment! It's true. Sometimes I feel bad making these videos. Like I said in the video, you really can have fun either way. When I am playing or using thr VR, I get lost in it and don't think about the details that much. I just know some struggle with the blur, and want to know the details, so I make the video to help them out.
@ it was a good video and certainly one of the more fairly put ones I’ve seen on the topic.
quick clarification as per Through The Lenses footage
the better processor lets the 3s do more software magic (apart from simply rendering at a higher resolution), which makes it look better than the 2
not even counting in game assets being able to be higher quality, the software algorithm used to display the pixels on the screen is a bit better
it's still the same lens and display, but the software difference does make it look better
Thanks, great clarification.
I ve just have my 3S and after I set it on my head correctly the only part which is really blurry is far sides. From my feelings 95% of image is cristal clear. Can easily see the sharp small text and details on pictures in the game. So I think you are right the image looks better. And the power and fps are insane
Can you speak on the display tech using pwm..pulse width modulation and how harmful that is to eyes?
I thought it was just me and maybe I have forgotten but I don't remember it being this bad when I used my quest 2. It's Terrible if I decide to keep it I'm keeping the spacer in it helped even without glasses.... I think it may be time for that eye check up
I have progressive lenses. Would the lenses overlays be beneficial and how would I know what prescription I would need for single vision lenses?
Zenni Optical is making lenses for the Quest2/3/3s. I hope you include those in your lens review.
Why did people expect the quest 3s to have the cream of the crop pancake lences? There is no way that Meta would ever make their cheaper headset compete with their more expensive standard for standalone vr. With that said tho, the biggest blunder Meta made with the 3s was to not include a proper IPD system. That could actually solve a lot of the blurriness.
You should also mention Quest Games Optimizer
Hi Eye 👁 👀 Guy nice video 📹 and workmanship love the VR . Viewer nice video 📹 and workmanship 😮
Hey doc, just got the 3s and noticed it’s much clearer with my prescription glasses on than with my contacts on. Found this to be strange any thoughts?
I think its cause its harder to focus on smth so close with contacts and that your eyes dry up faster with contacts
@ thanks doc!
Does this mean sweat won’t destroy the 3s like it does the 3
I just got my meta quest 3 as a Christmas present and as soon as I put it on it was blurry, and when I lifted it up, it was better, but it kept sliding down
I just got one too I got the 3s it’s freaking amazing this is my first one and first time using one so much fun, like I don’t want to take it off
literally my problem rn as im watching on it rn
I got one too and I had those same issues
Tighten it
@@penglets Ohh ty
bro mine was blurry but I just moved the headset higher up on my head
My problem with the fresnel lenses is the corners. I've been playing Batman Arkham Shadow, & any time a text box appears in the top right or left corner of the lense, I can _BARELY_ read it, & you can't move the text boxes to the center of the screen.
Knowing that the lenses are basically unremovable, does anyone have any working ideas to improve the situation?
I don't wear glasses or contacts, so the add-on prescription lenses are useless for me.
I'm also having the same issue
I also hate the fact I can't drag screens when in the meta app closer to me
I want the screen below me like an ipad since that'd be easier to type on for me / feel more natural
@@reelgesh51 You can drag screens. Pinch the bar below the screen and pull it towards you and down.
The first VR i ever tried was the free Oculus one that Samsung gave me years ago when I bought my phone. I thought that was really cool and not blurry. The 3S has to be better than that was.
Thanks for the honest review! I wish i came upon this channel sooner beofre buying my 3S but on the other hand, you just gained a sub :)
P.S. You look like Oliver Queen from the DC show Arrow
Thanks! Are you liking the 3s? I actually have been told that before.... I need to work out more. 🙂
@@DrEyeGuy Honestly, for my first VR I LOVE IT, and when buying accessories I'm def checking out your videos!
Guess I didnt need the spacer since I dont wear glasses so this may improve it already correct? Great Vid man
Amazing content man ! i was looking everywhere for this content. Breakdown of fresnel lens impact.
guy i have the money to buy the 3s as my first VR headset but everyone is talking about the fresnel lenses and how bad it is so do i wait a couple months to get the extra 200$ to get a 3 or i just buy the 3s now?🤔
Honestly id say just wait a few months and get the 3, the clarity difference is massive
@@kalebriddle7215 massive you say?
wait to get the 3 trust me
@@-SoniX- I’m sure the 3 is a better option but the 3s is just finicky. You have to adjust the width of the lenses and adjust the headset properly to find the sweet spot. Now that I got mine tuned in it’s not blurry looks to be a 1080p type clarity. I got mine as a gift from my wife so taking it back wouldn’t be cool. So I tinkered with it and it’s great. If you got the cash I’d say the upgrade is cool but I don’t think the 3s is bad.
Get the 3S and try it first. If you don't like it; return it and wait for the 3. After trying the 3S; I quite like it and it actually got me thinking of buying the 3. I honestly feel if you don't like the 3S I don't think you will like the 3.
I’m coming from the PlayStation vr2 so I definitely satisfied
In regards to what?
@@TroublezAhead00in regards to the jump in quality from the ps vr2…
So it was me.. and people with extreme astigmatism we are last gen hardware.. :( we can only overclock it a bit.. with msi prescription glasses
Don’t know what’s more interesting: how we blink 60% less when looking at screens… or that someone’s actually counting how many times people blink when looking at different things.
lol
Dr Eye Guy always does a great job explaining all the eye and visual problems of the Quests. I still want to know what happened to the Inseye Lumi eye tracking lens that was talked about a year ago. Seemed to have just dusappeared
The user-facing lenses in the Quest headsets (all models) are plastic, and though they're obviously optical-grade, they're not as scratch-resistant as glass lenses. So the advice to be careful about what type of cloth you use to clean them is good. Further inside the headset the other lenses in the system are glass. Meta chose to use plastic for the user-facing lenses both for safety (less likely to shed little bits into the user's eyes than glass, when scratched), as well as weight and cost savings.
I have the quest 3. Frankly using quest game optimizer and either contacts or for convinience I use Zenni prescription that literally clip onto the quest which helps a lot. That being said I can’t imagine plastic right in front of the screen doesn’t help.
I think I had to put things into context. When I stopped treating the quest like a game console and more like an arcade machine well it’s the damn coolest arcade machine out there.
Also, if I imagine the quest as having the power of like a ps4 with how it has to render at 72 hz minimum, ideally 90 or 120fps it makes sense a ps4 looks like trash.
I mean it’s a switch on steroids in a headset that has to double render at a very high fps. Consoles and pc render one image. So double the rendering cost. And almost none of my series x games reach 120fps.
I don’t think I’ll ever be a big vr guy it also hurts my neck I have neck pain. But for a disabled person it does provide a way to get some physical exercise and movement. Better yet it’s a lot more fun than a Wii.
My god is it a pain to do tho. I hate being disabled makes life so much harder.
i am used to my eyesight being blurry, so it's why i don't mind having a 3S when i look at the world with a 3S view even with my glasses on i struggle to see
Great video presentation. I have. There is a slight correction in my left eye, hence the need for prescription glasses. Nice one on the vr glass will.check them out. Hopefully, it's not too expensive or a.gimic.
What do you think of Dr. Hearts sight recovery ultrasonic thearapy device can it really improve vision
Hi, I have a Q3. I’m keen to hear about the blurryness with pass through. I’m not sure if it’s meant to be slightly blurry or not. To give an example I can’t read say anything with writing on it unless it’s up close. My surroundings alittle fuzzy. Is this meant to be the case ? I don’t know as I’ve only had it for like a month. No scratches or anything, just this is how it’s always been and I thought it was the norm. Any help would be appreciated.
This could be due to the cameras the the device, not the display itself. The quest uses 4MP (lower resolution) cameras so it makes sense why text is blurry
OK, quest 3 it is for me then..
I have both headsets now, I bought the 3s to play with family members, and I would say this video is totally accurate. Honestly, I wouldn't be into VR if the 3s was as good as it gets. The pancake lenses are 💯 and they really should have found a way to get them in there, even if it cost a little bit more. They're a game changer and make vr way more enjoyable.
Subscribed to see those lenses! Please rush on this content :)
Q3S vs Q3
Pros of the Q3S compared to the Q3:
- **16% better binocular overlap** this creates 2 circular "nose shadows" on Q3 screen which ~16% more noticeable than in Q3S because the Q3 lenses have 16% less surface area.
- **40% or 20% cheaper (depending on Q3S version)**
- 20 more minutes (+14%) of battery life (though battery life isn’t very important since you can just use a power bank in your pocket with the cable inside your shirt, or use swappable batteries and basically have infinite battery)
- Ability to play in the dark (it has 2 IR illuminators)
- For the same game/situation the Quest 3S actually has the *potential* for 30% higher fps/fidelity than Quest 3 (because it has the same internal specs but lower resolution).
Cons of the Q3S compared to the Q3:
- **23% lower resolution (however they have both the same default eye buffer resolution, which can be further increased using Quest Games Optimiser)**
- **Uses Fresnel lenses instead of pancake lenses** (see note 2 below)
- **Less memory space compared to the 512GB version of the Q3**
- 20% bulkier
- Less flexible IPD distance settings (Q3S has 3 settings, 58 63 and 68mm and Q3 has a slider 53 to 75mm)
Note 1: Q3 and Q3S have the same GPU, CPU, default eye buffer resolution, VRAM, RAM, passthrough quality and color, fps range (72fps-120fps), weight, etc.
Note 2: For me, the difference in lenses wasn’t significant compared to the difference in resolution (I’d say about 70% of the difference in image quality between headsets comes from resolution). But reading comments on Reddit, it’s clear that some people notice a big difference
Quest 3 lens is much better overall.
Awesome comment! Would you be ok if I pinned this comment for a while?
@@DrEyeGuy sure! no problem at all :) (sorry just saw the message now!)
...Would you all say the Quest 3 is better for your eyes than the Quest 3s? Or maybe vice versa?
@@3reefolD I'd say its a very hard choice because they both offer extreme value for their respective prices (you will love any of them). I'd also say Q3 is slightly better but since the difference in binocular overlap bugs me a bit and given that Q3S is way cheaper I went for the Q3S
Good video, my eyesight is better now I blink, look away and use drops sometimes thanks. As an aside, when you put the big fresnel sheet to your mouth I thought you might want to get that tooth straightened back in place. I had a few similar teeth and used clear aligners which was well worth it before they began to overlap too much.
What crooked tooth? 😉
@ Sorry don’t mean to make you self conscious, just the lower jaw middle tooth which is back quite a lot. Guess it’s probably not continuing to move but mine were (teeth can move as we age).
@steveco1800 I'm just kidding. 🙂 I know my tooth is crooked.
Does the quest 3s work with pro controllers?
What are the 3 PD settings 3s gives you?
I don't like the field of view is so narrow on the 3s
Quest 2 was way better hands down for these adjustments. I needed no special lenses to put in or had to ware my computer glasses. The latter is an instant deal breaker. I think I might have to look into getting Prescription lenses for VR.
What about motion sickness? I'm having trouble getting this thing to rest on my head comfortably, especially trying to figure out the sweet spot especially since it all seems the three adjustments for the lenses.. like I'm in between them or something. The up down left right and the distance and the tilt and it sliding in my face like you said pulling my eyelids out squeezing my head. I used it for a while yesterday but I did end up motion sick and I've seen suggestions about that but also it's not as clear as I would like, specifically text and the edges and the rays. I'm seriously considering updating too the 3 instead of 3s because the larger sweet spot and more pixels shines like my solution but I'm not sure if I'm even wearing the thing correctly in terms of lining my eyes up with the sweet spot and I think this has to have contributed to the motion sick feeling I was getting. (Yes I also read about vrlegs, teleporting, not using smooth motion. I didn't even know where those settings are tbh I haven't done much other than explore the metaverse stuff you start with. I just spent the last hour playing with the head strap trying to get it comfortable and positioned correctly with the least amount of blue and it gets pretty in focus but doesn't seem exactly right and the edges stretch a lil and it slips out of the sweet spot on my face and just everything you mentioned lol it's frustrating I've had this for a day
Nausea is more affected by frame rate than visual clarity. Some games will use a low refresh like 72hz to make the visuals look better which might contribute. But even with high frame rate many people would still have a period of adaptation because the brain has to get used to that type of stimuli via (gradual) exposure
@@quidnunc01100% correct. This is also why many people have problems with 3D movies. Expectingly 3D movies should be more natural/true to life and therefore more comfortable to watch which they are but the fact that you see something that looks so close to reality in only 24FPS messes with your brain and can give you great discomfort and nausea/headaches. That's why some movie directors are using higher frame rates like James Cameron for Titanic and the Avatar movies (but it's still only 48fps with some scenes in 24fps), Peter Jackson with The Hobbit movies and Ang Lee for Gemini man and Billy Lynn which were even done in 120fps which is so much more comfortable to watch and also way more realistic/immersive. And there are many more movies like Kung Fu Panda 4, Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire, The Wild Robot and Sonic the Hedgehog 3.
@@John-5737 For me it depends on the game and motion within it.
I can play walkabout mini golf or eleven ping pong all day, but Red Matter gives me a massive headache. Too much artificial movement in VR seems to give me motion sickness.
I can't really read the whole thing but try moving the headset strap up and down really helped me
@@Theartist-56788 appreciate the advise (everyone I didn't see the replies til now) I ended up trading it for the quest 3 and saw improvements but still gets to me a bit. I can play comfort games all day (well my eyes get strained eventually too) I love beat saber and I expect you to die games but like the other use mentioned games with artificial motion seem to get to me. I don't think it's as bad as before but tbh i haven't been played much lately. Still hoping I get my "vr legs" eventually. Still love the thing
My original quest has better lense adjustment. I cant see s**t through my quest 3s.
I just bought one and pixelated areas
do you think its clear enough to watch movies?
Yes
no
hell yeah
It absolutely is.
Will I be able to play vr games with a link cable on decent settings? I have a rx6800m 12gb card in the laptop
Yup
Because you bought the 3S and not the 3.
That's the reason!
Debating to spend 175 for the quest 3s or 500 for better lenses 😅
The Quest 3s feels lighter and more comfortable. You still have to get the elite strap with built in battery because the strap it comes with is horrible
In my country it's 300 so the 325 is a deal breaker if you want more / better lenses get 3 but the 3s has the same proccesser as the 500 dollar one so in my opinion get 175 it's was really good
having the same power but not the same display what even is the point of this product i wouldve preferred the other way around
It lowers the barrier to entry for people on the fence to take there first steps into vr. Consider the meta quest 3s and quest 2 as the nintendo switch lite or the 2ds members of the meta ecosystem.
To make it fully compatible with all quest 3 games and apps? Silly statament if you think about it twice. Look at pastorsleeps comment, it`s a more opened approach on metas side for people unsure about VR.
@pixGu no lmao why would u make a product with the same power as ur newest product but with the bad display of ur old product it makes no sense just get the good one or stick with the old one🤔
@@pastorsleepthe "bad one" is the same as quest II's display. They made it like that to be fully compatible with Q3 games and to lower the entry point. You clearly have no idea about software development and how sales work... Different hardware = harder to make it compatible.
@@pastorsleepas someone who’s never owned a vr i’d rather not pay more than what i paid for my playstation 5…. this is a good product for people like myself who want to get into vr but don’t wanna splash money on something i don’t know if i’ll even like…
The cure is to get a q3 and get the optimiser! Done.
To bad Meta didn’t give us an option to upgrade the lens
They did.. it’s called the Quest 3 … LOL
@@CloverKash for 200 f***ing more dollars
I just bought my 3S. After watching your video; I am seriously considering returning it and buying a 3 😂
Do it. I will definitely return it and get the 3 instead.
Same same
Best buy won't return quests :/
@ really? I just returned mine.
@@deathknight777 did you get a refund?
Still just plain blurry 😅 got so excited just knew it was too good to be true 😂 just few minutes in made me dizzy guess VR still not for me
It's called motion sickness it happens to first time users js play more and it will go away
The biggest reason the Quests are blurry it´s because they can´t render high resolution textures: blurryness disapears when looking closely: i.e.: Alyx´s globes.
Not true
@ilcarlino752 why
@@conejeitor they are blurry because they have a sweet spot that is hard to find, but it stops being blurry once you find it
@ilcarlino752 Then why the same game running from a capable PC looks much less blurry? i.e. Vader Immortal, looks wonderful on a Rift S, which have much less resolution than the Quests.
@conejeitor maybe because the quest 3 has a total of 400 more pixel, come on now
I have Quest 3 and my son 3s
Like bouth
😊
Y'know having "worse" graphics but having same processor and everthing makes it more stable than the quest 3 ...
You can get quest optimiser for 10 dollar and make it even more better looking with their HD and HD + settings
For me the Quest 3 is already too blurry to be usable. Still waiting for a decent device to be released.
Too blurry to even use it? And that's even after wearing your glasses if you wear them?
@DrEyeGuy the pass-through is just too grainy so MR is just terrible. I guess for VR games it's ok but I have no interest in that. My main complaint was the marketing of usages that are simply not practical with the performance of pass through.
@christinemurray1444 I believe the quest 4 will be way better, but I currently have the 3s, and I think it's pretty good. It's definitely usable! But not perfect by any means. I really am curious how the Q3 looks though 🤔
@MrRunItUp it's ok for most games, for virtual office or productivity combining screens with text, it's just not usable. Sadly they used such situations heavily in their advertising campaigns which created false expectations.
@@MrRunItUp The Quest 3 is better but not really that much , yes it's clearer but don't expect a huge difference, I'm hoping the Quest 4 will be a lot better.
So the lenses make it not worth getting the 3s? Im not wasting $300 on garbage, if they were usable then i guess they would be worth it. I might just wait for the quest 4 instead of buying paoer weight
Honestly, if you want to experience VR and you’re not really that bugged about smaller things then get the quest three S but if you truly want the perfect one then yeah wait for the 4
@The-unemployed-Pizza yah man I'm wait especially after I noticed how quickly they cut off the quest 2 after release. I'm assuming they'll announce the 4 very soon.
@@Brian-bq8tj the quest tunes lifecycle was around 4 to 5 but I still think you can use a quest two because most of the popular games were made for quest two but for the future yeah the quest three and four are mandatory
Could I ask if these devices are bad for your eyes!? … after 30 minutes I get nausea, they couldn’t be good for eyesight???
Some people just get motion sick at first but if you keep playing you'll get used to it. 12 and under shouldn't use a headset as it can mess with eye development but otherwise you're fine.
Well I mean it’s like having screens right on your eyes so no they aren’t good lol
Come on, why use pixels per inch if screen sizes and lens geometry is different, let's use pixels per degree
3 bad battery
Buy a Meta Quest 3 is what I’m doing.
people buy the quest 3s because of the price, if price wasnt the thing then way more people would buy the quest 3
How do you get closer to the lenses?
💯 👍
I feel the quest 2 very good, not all blurry... I dont know if its me, but in-game you stop looking graphics, for fun instead
Maybe i got the right sweetpot i dunno
Blurry for me 😞 @@gastonpares7266
Sooooooo don’t buy it basically
Not to be the guy who says “first, second!, third”
BUT
I wanna clarify
Am I… second?
Looks like you are. 🙂
I mean it has better battery than the 3 and the same like GPU and stuff so the lenses are the only difference
Man ion care if all looks good
3 S is blurry because you should have bought a quest 3. You cannot beat those pancake lenses
Stupid.
The quest 4 is coming out in a year; who plans to buy it and does not yet have a headset, should go for the quest 3s.
The lenses are really clear like 100% for a 200 buck difference the only thing different is the lenses the 3s has better battery same processes so I'm stick with 3s
sorry the q3 is better
That's what he said
its supposed to be. the 3s is a budget, entry level headset.
Duh
Oh wow, that’s news. Smdh
Obviously that’s why it’s more expensive but not everyone has the money for it
It's not worth the cost, already thinking about returning mine
It looked like garbage with the cartoon graphics, I returned mine. Really lousy looking games maybe in a few years it will be better.
I'm contemplating about returning it aswell and getting some more money saved up for the 3
I know right. Why doesn't this small, 300 dollar android device that runs on modified cellphone SOCs have AAA graphics?
You do realise you can plug it into your PC and fix that though yea?
Not everyone has a pc tho
I don't. They cost thousands. That's why I appreciate the quests. Once you get immersed in a game you realise how unimportant fine details are when you're actually inside the game. Still, AAA graphics standalone would be very welcome.
You're looking in the wrong place for that, quest is for portability and ease of use. If you want games to look good, you'll need a strong pc first.
Maybe my eyes are not compatible with the quest 3s resolution 🫠