The DISASTROUS History of Sonic Ports
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2021
- I've talked about others in the past, but never got around to these. Is history repeating itself? I sure hope not, I'd like nothing more for Sonic Origins and Sonic Colors Ultimate to really knock people's socks off!
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The fact that Sonic 1 on GBA was modded to run like the Genesis version (and actually work) shows that sega just didn't know what they were doing
more that didn't know, it's more like they didn't care.
That game wasn't even make by Sega! The game is a port from the java version, the credits are the same from the original Sonic 1 xD
@@andrealeonardo417 yes. I mean they're the same people that made F Zero GX
Worth noting the guy who made that good GBA port of Sonic 1 is Simon Thomley, AKA Stealth, AKA Headcannon. The guy who worked with Christian Whitehead on the mobile ports of Sonic 1 and 2 (not CD though) as well as Mania. Man's programming skills are top notch, definitely far better than whoever worked on the official port.
Or nintendo sabotaged them by passing it to the interns lol.
"Now that I have the ability to hate... I'm furious"
Lmaoo fucking gold
The Internet in a nutshell.
Twitter in a nutshell.
Fun Fact: Sonic 1 GBA is a port of the mobile java version from 2005. Both of them use the same font, the same weird hitboxes and even have the same missing notes on the music
I recall hearing Sonic 1 GBA was actually just running off the same engine as Sonic Advance. However if what you said is true then that's as impressive for the Java version as it is depressing for the GBA version
@@darkboy19O7 nah. Sonic 1 GBA has nothing to do with the advance games. It's 100% the Java mobile version.
@Polocatfan Last year someone made a hack of the java version of Sonic 1 and realised how similar the two version are. The port itself could have being made by SEGA in house but it's a port of the java version, not from the original.
There is absolutely no way more than one person worked on sonic genesis
Less than one person, actually. Stealth was able to recreate the entirety of GHZ perfectly
I legitimately think they didn’t start making Sonic Origins until it was announced. The release date is next year, plus all the footage is from already existing versions of the games.
Ikr? And they weren't even like "Hey Christian Whitehead, could we borrow soem specific footage of the Sonic 3 mobile pitch?" just to have widescreen support to put people at rest.
Not to mention the only games confirmed to be included in it are also like, the easiest Sonic games to include.
QOTD: YES. It is 100% unfinished.
I agree
@placidbatonFinal oh.
Wait a second.. you wouldn’t be the same Ventus from the Failboat discord would you?
@@redinahedge3073 wait a second. You watch Garrulous64?
@@ChaosPancakes Yeah! Always nice to see a familiar face lol
That subscription offer was one of the smoothest transitions I have ever seen
The more SA gets ported, the worse it gets
YOU CANT PORT SONIC ADVENTURE ON THE SURFACE OF MARS
@@TheFuckingBlunker why cant sega just do a john carmack and realease the source code to sonic adventure and let people make a source port
@@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn idk, probably not the greatest idea but
@@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn If you get the game on Steam, you can get the game modded so that it completely replicates the Dreamcast original.
@@Gemnist98 with original player models?
“Now that I have the ability to hate…I’m furious” 😂😂
I just got both Adventure games on Steam. I’m currently playing SA1 and plan to play SA2 afterwards.
Nice.
Have fun. the adventure games are great.
I guess the barrier I’m facing right now is Big the Cat.
@Gamer the Gamer I’m holding off on his campaign until the others are completed. His gameplay is just way too frustrating for me.
@@JmrUltra I'd advise talking to "Mr.Know it all" at the train station in Big's campaign, before doing his Twinkle Park.
He practically explains how to do Big's stages.
Blind Squirrel Games seem to have done a Decent jobs with their Track record.
I have good faith in them. And if I don’t like it, hey. I still have my Wii.
@@amuroray88 fr
This aged like cheese
I Once fell through the special stage on sonic genesis (wasn't even trying to just playing the game normal) and was soft locked because of it
Oof
9:00 Fun(?) fact: They're still in the game's files, they just disabled them. Why? I have no idea.
10:05 It's important to note that BetterSADX is not a mod itself, but a mod installer that includes a bunch of mods to improve the game, including the Dreamcast Conversion mod and the Lantern Engine (Dreamcast lighting).
Apparently, higher resolutions broke them.
The upside to SCU's PC port is that modders will, as you said, be able to fix everything that remains wrong with it come release. The downside, of course, is that they need to.
Or, if it's Epic Games Store only, and not also a Steam release.
Too bad, no modding for anyone.
This aged well.
If I remember correctly, there's a better restoration mod for the steam port of Sonic adventure than better SADX. cybershell did a whole video about how the subsequent ports of this game have gotten worse and worse.
I'm just happy that Sonic Colors gets a port at all. I never owned a Wii and only went to a friend's house to play it, so this'll be a first in 10 years
Then it sucks the port is bad
Q and A testing was on strike during this game.
I swear you're one of the most underrated youtubers out there.
Andrew went ham on this one, I’m on my fourth rewatch dude was saucing.
QOTD: It was unfinished, plain and simple. Someone mentioned this was ported with the Advanced engine in a month, I believe it. If my limited computer programming classes have taught me anything, it’s that it just needs to kinda work to pass muster, then I can go back to playing flash games.
Who?? Me??
@@andrewwdavvid yeah you!!
8:42 that one felt like a jumpscare
lol
Midi Sonic 1. Oh, Joel's gonna have a field day with this one.
Answer to question of the day: sonic genesis was definitely a rushed out anniversary game. Looking at both sonic genesis and the sonic advance games side by side, it's very clear they could have done so much better, but had to release it for the anniversary
Wait you're a 4th dimentional being!?
I thougt I was the only one! Good to see somebody else being one
Yooooo nice
7:46 I can't believe an internet bud of mine literally made that Taco Bell joke a literal mod for SADX, all because of this one joke right here.
I've truly left my mark on the SADX modding community now.
Honestly I'd say the SADX port is unforgivable, considering it's been used by gaming influencers to negatively re-write Sonic Adventure's reputation.
As if it wasn't bad enough that Sega abandoned the Adventure formula after 06.
Thankfully modders once again prove how little care was put into the DX ports.
Sonic Adventure DX isn't a remake, it's a remaster
Recently found your channel and I love it, I finally now have a good source of sonic content.
11:53 HA I KNEW IT!!! THE MAN COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE HUMAN IF HE SUBJECTS HIMSELF TO THIS MUCH TORTURE!!!
Might be your one fan who would love that Nintendo port video
real funny stuff man! glad to see you doing this kind of content
P.S. that video about nintendo ports sounds cool
While certain Sonic games may get WORSE over time, the quality of your videos is certainly getting BETTER!
I loved the subtle taco bell sound when Metal Sonic hit his head against the bell
The SGB Review of this was one of the first Somecallmejohnny videos I ever watched, so this games horrible horrible music will always have this weird, special place in my heart.
As someone who has done a lot of SA on 3 different versions...it is super different. I had no idea I was playing an inferior game this whole time until I went back to the PC version and was miserable. I actually started questioning if I still liked the game until I installed BetterSADX, it was so bad. I will forever miss Chao Adventure not making it into the port and being lost on the VMU. It was a small pocket game, but it really beat using animals to level up your Chao.
I already preordered Colors since it is one of my favorite games in the series, although I must admit I am so not impressed by these trailers. Sonic mostly looks off because they shifted the hue of his texture. All the red has been taken out of his muzzle which makes it look almost green. This might be due to the lightning engine, but it’s just one of many questionable choices.
I don’t even think modders will fix it since there’s already a ton of work completed on the Dolphin version. Using some graphics packs and mods with the right settings will make the game the most beautiful it has ever been.
Honestly I’m just waiting for the day that the port of a Sonic game is the definitive way to play, even SA2B screwed up the lightning engine, although at least it’s in widescreen...except for a few cutscenes.
A few things about Sonic Adventure DX:
-The GameCube version wasn't as shiny as later versions of the game
-The Game Gear games were in the 2004 PC Version But we're removed in later versions like the Xbox live arcade, PSN, And of course the steam version (however you can get the Game Gear games on the Steam version thanks to better SADX which you already mentioned)
the game gear games are actually on the pc version of sadx just not on steam
the reason being that the menu is broken on high resolutions and they didn't bother fixing it so they just removed it :)
And that's why Better SADX is able to bring them back. That's really interesting, and really pathetic tbh
AOTD: It is not finished, I made it to the end
A Week Later: Sonic Colors Ultimate Lookin More Colorful Than A Rainbow
Sonic 1 GBAs music... Am I playing sonic or watching a vinesauce stream?
First level sounds good
Hello there, Expand Dong!
Let’s hope that Sonic Origins is good 🤞
I hope
Same
Midi dubstep fart who tf asked soundtrack incoming
8:53
Erm.
The original 2004 physical PC release of SADX still had the Game Gear games. It was just the Xbox 360, PS3, and Steam versions that cut them.
That's why when you set up the mod loader for SADX on Steam, you get the Game Gear games back. Because it converts it back to the original 2004 port as a base version for unified modding.
I sure hope somebody got fired for that blunder!
The Game Gear games were still unlockable on the original PC release from 2004. They were disabled (for some reason) when SADX got ported over to XBLA/PSN/Steam.
9:27 lmao thanks for answering my concerns when I bought this yesterday on steam for 3 dollars. No widescreen in 2021 lmao
3:51 let's give a clap for the ed edd n eddy music, props to the editor.👏🏽👏🏽😂
_Cul-De-Sac Smash_ was such a fun game...
It’s not a Garralous 64 Sonic Video without a burn.
This was really cool! Too bad you missed the best port of them all: Sonic Blast for Sega Master System. Only released in Brazil, that is only a bit better than Sonic Genesis in my opinion. Also I feel the Sonic Adventure DX pain since I have the PS3 version and had to mod it to always display as if a SCART cable was connected, otherwise it would always display in awfull 4:3 :/
Sonic Blast's Master System Port's only change is more screen space. This video is about quote on quote "Bad Ports"
Its september
The intro aged like wine
7:21 there is a mod that Lets you run Inside Story DX at 60fps on officially hardware and other than a couple areas like some special moves, it runs perfectly fine.
I've seen that. I modded my N2DSXL recently so maybe i'll finally give that a shot
I think I figured out why the HD ports of SADX weren't widescreen. I decided to try out a widescreen code on the Gamecube version, and it not only looked weird, but it also messed with the camera a lot. Probably why it isn't on the Dolphin wiki. I imagine the creators of Better SADX's widescreen had to do some bug fixes there...
I've tried several times to install the "Better Sonic DX" mod and I've simply come to the conclusion that my laptop hates me...
So I have that going for me now...
sonic ports are sadder than the scene of them movie where the dog dies
Thank God Dreamcast Conversion exists. Same for SA2B PC having mods.
You sure the subscribe button wasn't in Sonic Genesis? I swear I remember it being in this version.
I get some Spax3 flashbacks everytime Sonic Genesis is mentioned
TH-cam has come a long way.
Garrulous at end of vid: thank you for your time
Me: “perfectly balanced as all things should be”
As a fellow Nintendo kid I'd be interested to see some Nintendo content if you ever feel like you need a change from Sonic! I dunno what sort of effect that would have on your numbers but I figure there's a decent crossover there these days
Would not have a great effect on the numbers, but it would have a very positive effect on me.
I did a Bowser's Fury video a little while back if you want a break from the Sonic content 👌
@@Garrulous64 I'd also love to see more Nintendo videos. There are dozens of us. DOZENS!
I think I know why the sonic 3 and knuckles was 4 by 3 in the origins trailer. 1,2, and CD were using footage from the Christian whitehead ports(at least I think so) but since 3K didn’t have a port and probably they didn’t have a ready to show widescreen version yet, they just used the original version.
They should have waited then.
@@Garrulous64 yea, then again they do have a track record of making weird decisions.
That 4:3 aspect ratio didn't stop from having more than 60 hours on sadx for steam
On the topic about SADX Pc not having the game gear games
They do, it's just that the Steam port of the game blocks access TO the games. The PC Disk version runs them just fine and with a mod manager can be displayed in the other resolutions; although, it still plays the best in the 4:3 resolution it was made in.
Origins wasn't finished, hell it probably wasn't even started on development
All I’m saying is that I’m still salty I’ve got to pay another 3 dollars to play multiplayer in sonic adventure 2’s ports.
Actually on the actual PC Version of SADX for Windows XP the Game Gear Games are included. It's only the Steam Version which doesn't have these.
I know this bc my girlfriend has the old PC Version. And no, she doesn't use mods.
5:26 you stopped at marble? I stopped at green hill.
After picking up SA DX, I instantly felt no regrets for keeping my copy of the Dreamcast version. Same with SA2 Battle; both ports have jank neither original had. (SA2 Battle is still super stable tho; the fun glitches were patched and it has engine weirdness)
That feel when this was your first classic Sonic game.
As you mentioned, the trailer for Sonic Origins showed Sonic 3 & Knuckles in 4:3 as opposed to 16:9, but also notice how the footage of those games looks worse than the previous games shown; that's because as stated at the bottom right corner of the screen, the trailer doesn't feature any footage of the compilation itself but rather uses footage of older versions to show what will be on it, and unlike Sonic 1 and 2, there isn’t an official Widescreen version of Sonic 3 or Knuckles; in fact, it seems that they used a version on an older, lower resolution console, perhaps on original hardware.
Yeah, uh, Fun Fact: that was all gameplays from the original games, including the 2013 versions of the games. The Origins version of 3&K will have widescreen
My concern on sonic origins is that they don’t have the extra content from the ports on mobile like tails and knuckles from 1,2,Cd playable,I’m also curious if Colors Ultimate Mod would add a lot of content such as recreation on the ds levels and missions
I 100% agree with you on the PC SADX version, but I think it’s even worse on consoles (at least Xbox 360, I don’t know about PS3), as if you don’t have the DX DLC, then the game pretends it’s the Dreamcast version, but it’s just DX with less features. The same DLC problem happens with SA2B on PC as well.
Nice video and nice shirt!
SADX PC has the wonderful advantage of being able to revert everything back to Dreamcast style with mods, including some collision detection that seemed to become broken upon the GC release (anyone who has died endlessly on the loop on the first level knows what I'm talking about, turns out, if you never played the Dreamcast version, that never happens on the Dreamcast)
To answer your question... honestly I can't say for certain that Sonic Genesis isn't finished, and that's probably the scariest thing about it.
i have a question about modding if you mod a game like mania in the switch version will this affect other games? like smash bros?
No. But no one is modding the switch version of Mania. Also modding your console might put you at risk of getting banned from online services.
I always love your humor man lmao
I really wanna see a super mario 3d all star with the Nintendo online rant that will give you so many views
Sonic: Darn it: Why is my reputation so messed up?! I wish i had a better reputation..........
Collision issues with SADX? I just thought of those as more ways to explore the levels; they were a plus to me.
5:39 *cries in sonic mania*
I'm guessing since it was Sonics 15th anniversary sega probably said ok we need a classic sonic game for the gba and rushed it and put on the store shelves
The thumbnail art looks better than some of these ports
Hey, Garrulous! Have you had the opportunity to read the recent issues of the Sonic IDW comics, specifically issue 41 and the 30th Anniversary Issue? If so, what are your thoughts on both? Specifically, I’d like to know your thoughts on how the Deadly Six are portrayed in issue 41.
I like that Paper Mario 64 shirt
Actually some of the obstacles from Scrap Brain and Starlight were not added at all to Sonic GBA.
So yes, 100% unfinished.
"Favorite Sonic Game: Sonic Adventure."
Garrulous64, it is an honor, to call you
*MY NIGGA*
Apparently Sega also messed up lighting when making sonic adve ture 2 battle
Also with Sonic 3 i think they just hadn't gotten it into 16:9 yet and just wanted to give some good early
I remember hearing that Sonic Adventure DX actually got _jankier_ with each subsequent release
To be fair, the 2004 PC release (not to be confused with 2010 Steam release) of SADX did actually have the Game Gear games unlockable.
They are not songs. They are tunes. Songs have lyrics. Tunes don't have lyrics.
For QOTD: I could totally see that Sonic Genesis was Unfinished... Why? Well, even though there isn't that much unused content (according to The Cutting Room Floor Website), the game was made by *ONE, STINKING, PERSON* so there has to be SOME unused content!
Y'know, what's Ironic? How The Sonic Series is one of (If not the only) *SEGA'S ONLY FRANCHISES* that flops hard. Usually all of Sega's other Franchises (Like SMT/Persona, Yakuza, NiGHTS, Monkey Ball, Puyo Puyo, etc.) are usually good. That could just be me though...
However, Going a _bit_ on topic with Persona, I actually have a Video Idea. Due to these Sonic Videos being rather Gloomy (Then Again, that may be just me because I haven't looked through all these Videos.), I have a bit of a Challenge, Garrulous.
I Challenge you to rank *_ALL Major Characters_* from the Persona Series.
Here's what I mean by "All Major Characters"... These will include...
* The Persona 1 & 2 playable Characters
* People of the Velvet Room (You can Count Caroline & Justine/Lavenza as one or two different Characters)
* S.E.E.S (+ Female Protagonist and Metis)
* The Investigation Team
* The Phantom Thieves (+ The New Members of The Phantom Thieves from Both Royal and Strikers)
* Important NPCs (Sojiro, Dojima, Nanako, Sae, etc.)
* Villians/Bosses (Like the Final Bosses, Palace Rulers, Monarchs, and Shadow Selves for example.)
* Characters from the Spinoffs (Like The Dancing Series, Arena Ultimax, Q1 & Q2, and any others I forgot)
Confidants are Optional, but you can add them if you want.
Now you could do it in the same Fashion as you did for the Sonic Meme Tier List Video, or you could use an Actual Tier List Website. (The Former would be a Better Option, as I don't know if there's a Tier List that has all the Major Characters of Persona)
Also you don't *_HAVE_* to do my Gargantuan What if, but I would like it if you did...
Other than that giant What If I typed in, Amazing Video as always, Garrulous!
*_*Applauds_**
5:55 and knuckles
sonic genesis is absolutely unfinished. i made it to labyrinth zone (somehow) and immediately gave up with it because of the water making sonic even slower than he already is
In regards to 3&K in Origins, I believe that they’re giving it the Whitehead treatment since it also appears that those ports are included. Since the games have to be built from the ground up, it makes since that 3&K would be unfinished and that they’d show the original game. The trailer even says that it’s showing footage from the original game, so I don’t think this will be a bad port at all.
Confirmations say that 3&K will also be in widescreen too.
@@JDCorp that’s what I said lol
Only problem.
If Sonic Colors Ultimate isnt on steam but is exclusive to EGS.
Good luck modding it.
time to update this I guess
did you know that og bowser's inside story IS at 60fps?
i don't need to see the rest of the video to know what games are in it
Sonic The Hedgehog Genesis (2006) is a GBA port of the Java version made by IFone. Screen crunch us due to the small screen size of the original GBA, if it didn't have it, it would be very hard to view on a real GBA.
12:15 finally I'm here
Speaking of colors pc that port is coming to the epic game store
if they just slap some shaders on colors ultimate i would like it so much more
I grew up with SADX, and in my honest opinion, I actually like the SADX models more. I feel pretty unique for saying that lol
Me too tbh