Thorin saying the Overwatch League would be more profitable selling investing in Base Set Pokemon breaks is one of the funniest things he has ever said
This dynamic is amazing I'd honestly be fine if DoA was the fourth horseman permanently, and Richard not holding anything back is exactly why we love him. Keep it up
Yeah but DoA isnt there to convince and change Thorin's or Richard's opinion or mind, hes there for us the viewer as a small counter balance check/weight
Yeah, Richard and Thorin already made their mind up so there’s no point trying to talk them down off of that. I think DOA came across very well, even though as you said, it’s one tough task trying to defend the state of OW and OWL.
It's nice to see the horsemen debating each other a bit here, hopefully future guests will continue to take significantly unique stances even when the big 3 happen to agree
@ 1:29:29 Thorin was right about SHD being only Chinese OWL team in S1 right? Chengdu, Guangzhou, and Hangzhou didn't come until S2. Monte said no there were more, but I don't think so.
I was as pessimistic as anyone about OWL until it hit me...Activisions ability to sell a slightly changed game to customers who already own it for 60$ Every year is some sort of accidental genius with how well it actually works. People literally pay full price for the same game over and over where it might even turn out to be horrible, but they do it like it’s a huge new anticipated release..THEN they rebuy all their madden and fifa cards spending who knows what each, just like they did the year before. The main point that I want to highlight is this business model is accidentally genius with how it reinvigorates the entire CoD community and fanbase every year. This game development method will keep overwatch poppin with every new release they have. I imagine “OW3” will be released 3years from when OW2 is. Instead of new game releases, Dota and League have patches that evolve the game into new versions of itself over time. But because of how “it’s just a patch” psychology works with gamers, new players aren’t coming out of the woodwork and trying these mobas for the first time strictly because of the patch as they are with CoD madden fifa etc full game releases. This is a massive deal especially with how bad Dota’s overall player base is deteriorating. Yes this is mainly because of how much more unforgiving DOTA is compared to LoL that is causing new players to never comeback. Because of this the future of dota needs a massive roadmap change by Valve. The only way to save dota is, you guessed it, trick everyone into believing a “DOTA3” release is a real thing with all of your skins carrying over etc so people don’t have a real reason not to switch. The obvious ideal way to go about this is with a new or updated game engine, but assume that this isn’t happening and it’s just a big patch and improved UI that’s packaged into being an official release. The psychology of these games being fresh and new when released every year is the only way that some game franchises will survive. OWL will crumble and collapse once the investors of owl franchises’ try to sell their OWL spot/brand and can’t...Blizzard will have to takeover the management of the team and continue to look for a buyer... ASSUME the news is out and every potential buyer in the world starts to view all OWL franchise teams as just a slow bleed of capital ontop of a massive fee.. because of this, the valuation of every spot within the league will decrease a substantial amount. This creates a cascading effect of low investor group confidence on the prospects of selling in the future. Logically this leads to another investment group noticing they can’t keep bleeding cash forcing them to desperately search for a buyer of their non desirable OWL spot. You get the picture. This logical downfall of OWL can somewhat be prevented by getting rid of the fee to blizzard by atleast 80%. Ingame item sales are the holy grail of making the ecosystem of esports succeed. Rainbow6 is the only game dev in the world who works with and develops ingame items with teams and gives them a cut that is good enough to satisfy the owners which is a first. Ingame items using branding will also help promote league viewership and fandom. It’s fucking insane this isn’t the number one focus of every developer involved in franchise leagues, they are so greedy with giving teams any decent/fair cut that it’s not even a consideration. Without that they’re fucked. Media rights deals are scams and TH-cam twitch etc will not pay again. Blizzard most likely doesn’t give owl teams a meaningful fraction from that deal so they can sustain themselvez
2:19:58 The guy actually approached the developers of DayZ to develop PUBG with the company, but the company refused the offer because they didn't think it would be popular enough.
And yet after watching the whole show and agreeing with their astute takes on the problems with Overwatch i still wanna log on and queue tank. I don't need it to be a big game i just want my fix because it's still fun as fuck to me. That show just offered two and a half hours of respite from my own stupidity. All in all a banger episode. Cheers
Whoever hounded you about AoE 2 didn't expose it properly. TheViper is a larger than life player, and precisely the point of Hidden Cup is to recognize players from playstyle, something that does happen a lot, for example, in a first round series like 5 minutes in everyone knew it was Leireyyy vs Hera because their playstyles are that recognizable. That tournament had a 100k prize pool, so it wont get to WCS level but the scene supports 50ish pros which isn't bad for a grass roots scene. And about TheViper, he doesnt win as much in the last year but even now everyone was focused into knowing which of the hidden heros he was. Also, the players send a guess about who they were playing. TheViper was the only one out of the 16 bracket players to correctly guess all the guys he was playing. He is so good sometimes he plays suboptimal on purpose to limit test
Hi, I'm the WC3 modder that used to go by meian. A friend of mine and I made an old WC3 mod called DotA Allstars that some people may or may not have heard of. I tried repeatedly to contact Blizzard to get in with them, especially once I heard they were going to make HotS. I'm sure no one has to guess how much interest I got. Zero, zip, zilch. So, I love the commentary towards the end by Thorin about Blizzard passing on having MOBAs coming straight from Blizzard. It's history is actually even dumber than he makes it sound.
@@nguyentri3608 I mean... yeah. There's no way I would've gotten enough creative control to save that game lol. Blizz made that shit without any clue what people actually like about the genre. I did enjoy telling Marc Merrill to his face that one of the few things HotS got right was no ALL: chat in game. So pointlessly toxic.
@@youtubesucksbutts You've got quite an ego to assume you getting creative control would have saved the game. You also seem like you feel you were entitled to their attention. I'm thinking Blizzard dodged the bullet.
Kind of shake my head at people talking about CEO pay like the corporate board (and the people who own the bulk of stock) negotiates these things based on merits, and that they "need" to pay these amounts out to get "good" CEOs. Totally not because they tend to be giant incestious nepotism cauldrons and pay largely revolve around them swapping money for pay raises themselves and further connections to get their friends and families on other corporate boards.
I gotta say them not bringing up the pressure that Valorant is pushing on OWL, especially with Monte so confident the viewership won't go down. People like to watch players from their culture and that they can connect with and with Western players being Siphoned by Valorant there is no way that those numbers are safe, players can easily begin to jump ship and try Valorant as many already have.
Overwatch and the league as a product right now is failing but the interest in the game universe goes far beyond current tangible metrics. Many people love/loved this game but have lost interest due to content droughts. Imo there will be a big return to viewership and profitability if overwatch 2 is even an average sequel
Which part of the concept is appealing? Personally, everything about it seems antithetical to esports. - Location based teams - Blocking and fucking with endemics and endemic brands - developer artificially propping up a major scene and league while stunting grass roots tournaments and leagues Would have loved to see how the scene naturally developed in the different regions especially korea.
@@nofluffagain Probably from the americans that have only ever had the american model of sports so they think its the best way to do things and then in reality it breeds things like tanking seasons and teams that are historically bad for long stretches because there arent any incentives to spend the money to improve. But they seem "more like *real* sports, this is great, esports getting legitimate" when really its not a real sports model but instead the bad model that american sports follows as a way to funnel money to the bought in owners and league at the cost of real competition.
@@nofluffagain I mean some of the reasons you listed are why others like the concept. Location based teams have worked in every sport in the world and for a good reason.
@@Logical281 location based sports work when the viewing experience is based on location and when the pool of fans is much larger. People who are esports fans are far more spread out among the worlds population and asking for a density of them in multiple cities to be majority supporters of individual teams is unreasonable. Esports are more like world tours in terms of how they are able to produce enough in person viewers at each location. In a way its much closer to musicians who need to tour to locations over the course of the year in order to draw in people once or twice year from further out in order to fill those stadiums. And all of that doesnt even tak into account the average expendable income of the demographic that watch the most esports.
I stopped playing Overwatch a couple of years ago after years of playing heroes such as Dva, Junkrat, Ana, and later on Ashe. It got so unfun that I only played to collect all the skins for these characters. Blizzard patched the game only when it got to the point where player-count started to dip and the weekly hero ban showed that they gave up on balancing. I'm still trying to get the figures and other collectibles for these characters that I'm missing but other than that the game is dead to me.
Finally someone talks about how horrible the maps are in Valorant. Some would be okay if there were no abilities(save for maybe flashes), but they're nowhere near Volcano's prior work.
I dont know alot about buisiness I just know right now on twitch all LoL Streams combined have over 400.000 viewers and Overwatch has 17.000 viewers. You can make all the clever adjustments and business decisions you want but nobody gives a fuck about the game.
I haven`t played OW since Moira`s release in 2017. How come there are only like 4 new heroes being released since then? how are things kept spicy? even valorant has realeased like 3 or smth new agents in the span of a year. If there are no new additions, how is the game design being pushed?
Thorins Idea bout CEO wages is pretty smoothbrained. He is right about the contracts being the reason they are payed such stupid amounts of money, however the reason they get those contracts is mostly nepotism and other connections. There are more than enough just as qualified people who would do the job for a fraction of the money. If you suck as a CEO you wont get replaced fast, this is not a job where the good ones end up. Cutting CEO costs even by extreme numbers like 75% will not result in you getting shitty CEOs if it is done in an entire field/area/nation. I absolutely agree with Monte here. Blame the board.
@@Invictus-Solaris You still have to do a lot and put in a lot of hours. The job isn't that easy, its just that there are many good managers that could do your job. Historically that amount of money was justified because if something, anything went wrong, even things out of your influence you were the one to blame. Today that part is no more.
@@christopheboucher3737 He started that segment litterly after monty said there was no big RTS game anymore in esports, and I was already typing my comment about aoe2.
Maybe they finally realised. Well fuck we ruined every esport the moment we took full control. Let others do it because they are just better? I am still shocked that people still talk like they believed in blizzard esport. Why not be honest. I got tons of money and I won't talk bad about ow because I want to be hired again by the next big oneshot fail of blizzard
I wouldn’t be so sure. It was extremely ambitious but it was handled very fucking poorly too. I don’t think it failed because the concept was inherently bad, I think it failed because of incompetence.
so i stopped watching OWL during the GOATS era because NO ONE COULD EXPLAIN ON BROADCAST WHAT GOATS WAS! Really annoyed me. I just turned to a stream and they talk GOATS GOATS and i'm like what?
the game just isnt fun straight up player base too low takes too long to get into a game just get matched with toxic shitters who cry if you dont play the boring ass meta that blizz changes once every 6-8 months
i like how doa low key throws shade at richard lewis's comments about "OWL dying, not popular, etc" and doa is just like well, yeah but it doesn't have to be uber popular for people to like it though.. haha. no joke, richard sounds like them zoomers shouting "OW DEAD GAME" if you think overwatch is dead you kids ain't seen a dead game yet
Maybe would be interesting to see his takes on league. No offense to iwd but how does he fit into an OWL episode other than connections he has in LA area?
Yes, you got to keep in mind how big the world is. Also you need to account for how big the game is in Asia. The figures I see suggest over 100million active users. As an aside this makes it all the more bullshit when ever riot tries to play the small indie dev argument, they pull billions of dollars and are apart of one of the largest conglomerates in China .
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Perfect content for the gym.
Only issue is cracking up laughing during lifts
It just keeps coming. We will tell our grandkids of what it was like in the renaissance of holy warriors content
Thorin saying the Overwatch League would be more profitable selling investing in Base Set Pokemon breaks is one of the funniest things he has ever said
This dynamic is amazing I'd honestly be fine if DoA was the fourth horseman permanently, and Richard not holding anything back is exactly why we love him. Keep it up
best part of 2021 so far is this series
I feel bad for DoA, he tried his best to defend blizzard and owl, but it's an impossible task a messy situation
Yeah but DoA isnt there to convince and change Thorin's or Richard's opinion or mind, hes there for us the viewer as a small counter balance check/weight
Yeah, Richard and Thorin already made their mind up so there’s no point trying to talk them down off of that. I think DOA came across very well, even though as you said, it’s one tough task trying to defend the state of OW and OWL.
Doa being here is everything.
Blizzard didn't fire 50 people guys, they promoted them to WoW players.
'how to make owl watchable' section was basically boiled down to 'make it play/look like tf2' which is what I've been saying the whole time.
It's nice to see the horsemen debating each other a bit here, hopefully future guests will continue to take significantly unique stances even when the big 3 happen to agree
This is honestly just awesome and great. Massive thanks to all of you that make this happen.
This is the best show in esports right now!
hahaha Richard is so intense! He makes some very good points though.
Montes face as he gets more and more dejected lmao
1:20:00 it hits rock bottom.
We need to retweet more so we can get more episodes
This is going to be the longest 90 minute wait of my life.
34:08 Richard with a devestating takedown summary of the whole situation.
omg. Doa is still alive.
Let's just make this a weekly show eh? ;)
oh baby, new episode right when i get off work today. very nice bois, very nice
@ 1:29:29 Thorin was right about SHD being only Chinese OWL team in S1 right? Chengdu, Guangzhou, and Hangzhou didn't come until S2. Monte said no there were more, but I don't think so.
I was 100% sure that was Froggen from the thumbnail.
Really enjoyed this episode, definitely my favourite format and amazing guests. Thanks for the content.
Thoorin looking good with the Polumalu jersey
Straight fire, love the disagreement
so happy this show is here. keep it going
I was as pessimistic as anyone about OWL until it hit me...Activisions ability to sell a slightly changed game to customers who already own it for 60$ Every year is some sort of accidental genius with how well it actually works. People literally pay full price for the same game over and over where it might even turn out to be horrible, but they do it like it’s a huge new anticipated release..THEN they rebuy all their madden and fifa cards spending who knows what each, just like they did the year before.
The main point that I want to highlight is this business model is accidentally genius with how it reinvigorates the entire CoD community and fanbase every year. This game development method will keep overwatch poppin with every new release they have. I imagine “OW3” will be released 3years from when OW2 is.
Instead of new game releases, Dota and League have patches that evolve the game into new versions of itself over time. But because of how “it’s just a patch” psychology works with gamers, new players aren’t coming out of the woodwork and trying these mobas for the first time strictly because of the patch as they are with CoD madden fifa etc full game releases. This is a massive deal especially with how bad Dota’s overall player base is deteriorating. Yes this is mainly because of how much more unforgiving DOTA is compared to LoL that is causing new players to never comeback.
Because of this the future of dota needs a massive roadmap change by Valve. The only way to save dota is, you guessed it, trick everyone into believing a “DOTA3” release is a real thing with all of your skins carrying over etc so people don’t have a real reason not to switch. The obvious ideal way to go about this is with a new or updated game engine, but assume that this isn’t happening and it’s just a big patch and improved UI that’s packaged into being an official release. The psychology of these games being fresh and new when released every year is the only way that some game franchises will survive.
OWL will crumble and collapse once the investors of owl franchises’ try to sell their OWL spot/brand and can’t...Blizzard will have to takeover the management of the team and continue to look for a buyer... ASSUME the news is out and every potential buyer in the world starts to view all OWL franchise teams as just a slow bleed of capital ontop of a massive fee.. because of this, the valuation of every spot within the league will decrease a substantial amount. This creates a cascading effect of low investor group confidence on the prospects of selling in the future. Logically this leads to another investment group noticing they can’t keep bleeding cash forcing them to desperately search for a buyer of their non desirable OWL spot. You get the picture.
This logical downfall of OWL can somewhat be prevented by getting rid of the fee to blizzard by atleast 80%. Ingame item sales are the holy grail of making the ecosystem of esports succeed. Rainbow6 is the only game dev in the world who works with and develops ingame items with teams and gives them a cut that is good enough to satisfy the owners which is a first. Ingame items using branding will also help promote league viewership and fandom. It’s fucking insane this isn’t the number one focus of every developer involved in franchise leagues, they are so greedy with giving teams any decent/fair cut that it’s not even a consideration. Without that they’re fucked. Media rights deals are scams and TH-cam twitch etc will not pay again. Blizzard most likely doesn’t give owl teams a meaningful fraction from that deal so they can sustain themselvez
two and a half hours of monte damage controlling
Gotta keep that door open just in case
2:19:58 The guy actually approached the developers of DayZ to develop PUBG with the company, but the company refused the offer because they didn't think it would be popular enough.
And yet after watching the whole show and agreeing with their astute takes on the problems with Overwatch i still wanna log on and queue tank. I don't need it to be a big game i just want my fix because it's still fun as fuck to me. That show just offered two and a half hours of respite from my own stupidity. All in all a banger episode. Cheers
bit of a quality issue. 720p still looks like 360p, and no 1080p
Amazing series, hope it continues
Love it guys, will listen to the whole thing driving at work
It's interesting to see Monte grab his neck with his right arm every time he's uncomfortable.
Since March 2020 ATVI's up 73%, SPY (a fucking ETF) is up 70%
, Imagine getting a $200M bonus because you're riding the low interest train.
Underrated comment
It looks like Monte and Doa are coming back to OWL
I remember having a Gameboy with Mortal Kombat 2 🤣 seemed awesome to me as well
Whoever hounded you about AoE 2 didn't expose it properly. TheViper is a larger than life player, and precisely the point of Hidden Cup is to recognize players from playstyle, something that does happen a lot, for example, in a first round series like 5 minutes in everyone knew it was Leireyyy vs Hera because their playstyles are that recognizable. That tournament had a 100k prize pool, so it wont get to WCS level but the scene supports 50ish pros which isn't bad for a grass roots scene.
And about TheViper, he doesnt win as much in the last year but even now everyone was focused into knowing which of the hidden heros he was. Also, the players send a guess about who they were playing. TheViper was the only one out of the 16 bracket players to correctly guess all the guys he was playing. He is so good sometimes he plays suboptimal on purpose to limit test
Hi, I'm the WC3 modder that used to go by meian. A friend of mine and I made an old WC3 mod called DotA Allstars that some people may or may not have heard of. I tried repeatedly to contact Blizzard to get in with them, especially once I heard they were going to make HotS. I'm sure no one has to guess how much interest I got. Zero, zip, zilch. So, I love the commentary towards the end by Thorin about Blizzard passing on having MOBAs coming straight from Blizzard. It's history is actually even dumber than he makes it sound.
You dodged a bullet with hots mate. Fun games but ofc Blizzard is always there to fuck it up
@@nguyentri3608 I mean... yeah. There's no way I would've gotten enough creative control to save that game lol. Blizz made that shit without any clue what people actually like about the genre. I did enjoy telling Marc Merrill to his face that one of the few things HotS got right was no ALL: chat in game. So pointlessly toxic.
I created Golems 1.13 (Blood Edition). Basically just made red start with twice as much starting units. I always chose red.
@@youtubesucksbutts You've got quite an ego to assume you getting creative control would have saved the game. You also seem like you feel you were entitled to their attention. I'm thinking Blizzard dodged the bullet.
Kind of shake my head at people talking about CEO pay like the corporate board (and the people who own the bulk of stock) negotiates these things based on merits, and that they "need" to pay these amounts out to get "good" CEOs. Totally not because they tend to be giant incestious nepotism cauldrons and pay largely revolve around them swapping money for pay raises themselves and further connections to get their friends and families on other corporate boards.
I remember when we were hyped about VC getting into esport
The real four horsemen
That was a good car analogy at the end there Thorin
Although i don't know if i agree they had a ferrari it works.
Best Esports show ez.
doa is so pure
I gotta say them not bringing up the pressure that Valorant is pushing on OWL, especially with Monte so confident the viewership won't go down. People like to watch players from their culture and that they can connect with and with Western players being Siphoned by Valorant there is no way that those numbers are safe, players can easily begin to jump ship and try Valorant as many already have.
Overwatch and the league as a product right now is failing but the interest in the game universe goes far beyond current tangible metrics. Many people love/loved this game but have lost interest due to content droughts. Imo there will be a big return to viewership and profitability if overwatch 2 is even an average sequel
i like OWL as a concept. Hopefully they figure it out
OWL is still taking Ls.
Which part of the concept is appealing?
Personally, everything about it seems antithetical to esports.
- Location based teams
- Blocking and fucking with endemics and endemic brands
- developer artificially propping up a major scene and league while stunting grass roots tournaments and leagues
Would have loved to see how the scene naturally developed in the different regions especially korea.
@@nofluffagain Probably from the americans that have only ever had the american model of sports so they think its the best way to do things and then in reality it breeds things like tanking seasons and teams that are historically bad for long stretches because there arent any incentives to spend the money to improve. But they seem "more like *real* sports, this is great, esports getting legitimate" when really its not a real sports model but instead the bad model that american sports follows as a way to funnel money to the bought in owners and league at the cost of real competition.
@@nofluffagain I mean some of the reasons you listed are why others like the concept. Location based teams have worked in every sport in the world and for a good reason.
@@Logical281 location based sports work when the viewing experience is based on location and when the pool of fans is much larger. People who are esports fans are far more spread out among the worlds population and asking for a density of them in multiple cities to be majority supporters of individual teams is unreasonable. Esports are more like world tours in terms of how they are able to produce enough in person viewers at each location. In a way its much closer to musicians who need to tour to locations over the course of the year in order to draw in people once or twice year from further out in order to fill those stadiums. And all of that doesnt even tak into account the average expendable income of the demographic that watch the most esports.
I stopped playing Overwatch a couple of years ago after years of playing heroes such as Dva, Junkrat, Ana, and later on Ashe. It got so unfun that I only played to collect all the skins for these characters. Blizzard patched the game only when it got to the point where player-count started to dip and the weekly hero ban showed that they gave up on balancing. I'm still trying to get the figures and other collectibles for these characters that I'm missing but other than that the game is dead to me.
Would love for this to be a weekly affair!
Such a banger let's goooo
Finally someone talks about how horrible the maps are in Valorant. Some would be okay if there were no abilities(save for maybe flashes), but they're nowhere near Volcano's prior work.
banger after banger
I dont know alot about buisiness I just know right now on twitch all LoL Streams combined have over 400.000 viewers and Overwatch has 17.000 viewers. You can make all the clever adjustments and business decisions you want but nobody gives a fuck about the game.
?? That's because Blizzard has a contract with youtube. The OWL on YT gets around 50-60k viewers typically, higher for finals, etc.
What timestamp do the review Zack Snyders Justice League?
Would be happy to see this in 1080p. Also I know this isn't very relevant to the topic, but I miss watching Monte and Doa cast Korean LoL.
I haven`t played OW since Moira`s release in 2017. How come there are only like 4 new heroes being released since then? how are things kept spicy? even valorant has realeased like 3 or smth new agents in the span of a year. If there are no new additions, how is the game design being pushed?
blizzard activision are all about milking games and cutting costs...
Why does he have a greenscreen if he doesnt use it lmao
It’s montecristo, what do you expect
@@YukiGibson SMH boomers
Let Doa speak :(
Thorins Idea bout CEO wages is pretty smoothbrained. He is right about the contracts being the reason they are payed such stupid amounts of money, however the reason they get those contracts is mostly nepotism and other connections. There are more than enough just as qualified people who would do the job for a fraction of the money.
If you suck as a CEO you wont get replaced fast, this is not a job where the good ones end up. Cutting CEO costs even by extreme numbers like 75% will not result in you getting shitty CEOs if it is done in an entire field/area/nation.
I absolutely agree with Monte here. Blame the board.
Being a CEO is a joke. A position that gets a lot of money to do so very little a lot of the time.
@@Invictus-Solaris You still have to do a lot and put in a lot of hours. The job isn't that easy, its just that there are many good managers that could do your job.
Historically that amount of money was justified because if something, anything went wrong, even things out of your influence you were the one to blame. Today that part is no more.
litterally wanted to comment aoe2 is a viable option for a rts game with an active scene. XD I got absolutely merked by Thorin I guess RIP, fair play.
Can you time stamp? :)
@@christopheboucher3737 1:59:40 haha
@@christopheboucher3737 He started that segment litterly after monty said there was no big RTS game anymore in esports, and I was already typing my comment about aoe2.
Owl snap back to reality meme
Needs closed captioning
yes
i love this show .... but for the love of God. get some better cameras!
Voting for DayZ :D
Tom, Pete, Dick and Harry. Who the fuck is the commissioner?
Remember the days when they said OWL will be bigger than NFL? yeah
Dey be dissing age of empires?!
For the algorithm!!
I... actually watch OWL. Is Richard coming after me?
3 horsemen and a boy scout.
Anyone got a tldr?
Maybe they finally realised. Well fuck we ruined every esport the moment we took full control. Let others do it because they are just better? I am still shocked that people still talk like they believed in blizzard esport. Why not be honest. I got tons of money and I won't talk bad about ow because I want to be hired again by the next big oneshot fail of blizzard
The whole city based teams is just never going to work.
I wouldn’t be so sure. It was extremely ambitious but it was handled very fucking poorly too. I don’t think it failed because the concept was inherently bad, I think it failed because of incompetence.
so i stopped watching OWL during the GOATS era because NO ONE COULD EXPLAIN ON BROADCAST WHAT GOATS WAS!
Really annoyed me. I just turned to a stream and they talk GOATS GOATS and i'm like what?
Boring unbalanced comp that was just too good not to play. That's when I stopped watching because it's literally one comp
Jelly fish tyrannosaurus pineapples
algorithm booster
"we don't have a set schedule" - proceeds to do another show almost immediately after their last show.
the game just isnt fun straight up
player base too low takes too long to get into a game
just get matched with toxic shitters who cry if you dont play the boring ass meta that blizz changes once every 6-8 months
i like how doa low key throws shade at richard lewis's comments about "OWL dying, not popular, etc" and doa is just like well, yeah but it doesn't have to be uber popular for people to like it though.. haha. no joke, richard sounds like them zoomers shouting "OW DEAD GAME"
if you think overwatch is dead you kids ain't seen a dead game yet
how bout now?
IWD is the fourth horseman imo
Maybe would be interesting to see his takes on league. No offense to iwd but how does he fit into an OWL episode other than connections he has in LA area?
Kot means shit in german :)
Are really 100s of millions people play League ? I cant believe that.
Yes, you got to keep in mind how big the world is. Also you need to account for how big the game is in Asia. The figures I see suggest over 100million active users. As an aside this makes it all the more bullshit when ever riot tries to play the small indie dev argument, they pull billions of dollars and are apart of one of the largest conglomerates in China .
Lol. I thought that was obvious to just about everyone. This has been the case for a long while.
China
It has over 100 million players in China alone, which is pretty insane when you think about it