Yeah I don't know why this is so controversial. If you break social contract by (effectively) attacking someone, you can't then invoke it to protect yourself - anything goes at that point
@@mintymilkk It's not controversial at all. The narrator is also completely misrepresenting the "lasting stain" that Groenendael supposidly has from him lashing out (5:53). Typically, if a rider reacts like him (and several others), as long as it's proportional, it's typically the "fans" who are condemned (rightfully so, in most cases). Thankfully, over the past few years, we are seeing a bit of a change, where organisations are starting to search and sanction dangerous, harassing and beer (and other things) throwing "fans", so the cycling athletes don't need to take care of them anymore.
Sven Nys's reaction was perfect. He didn't got violent but confronted his harasser on the same level on wich he was clearly inferior without missing the opportunity for a dialog. I'm really impressed by him and his actions
I fully support and condone riders making fans accountable for their cretinous actions. The only "unsporting" things here are actions against the rules towards fellow racers.
I cyclocross there much supportersclans. First the woman ride there race and later the men. SOMME spectators by then have alreddy drunk a lot of beers... And sommetimes somme spectators doing bad things against the atletes. Trowing beer whe the riders passing, trowing mud, and other bad things. Mathieu VDP had to endure a lot from somme spectators. And sommetimes they make the atletes verry angry ! sommetimes atletes who getting tired of this reacting to those trouble makers... Iserbith had to pay 15.000 to the ICC because of that incident ! Iserbit knew he had donne sommething bad and apoligised publicly , sanctioned for 3 races. Paying 15.000 euro is over it ! ! This is much to much !
I know that riders aren't supposed to get involved with spectators, but if a rider punches you after you throw beer at them that's on you.
Yeah I don't know why this is so controversial. If you break social contract by (effectively) attacking someone, you can't then invoke it to protect yourself - anything goes at that point
@@mintymilkk It's not controversial at all. The narrator is also completely misrepresenting the "lasting stain" that Groenendael supposidly has from him lashing out (5:53). Typically, if a rider reacts like him (and several others), as long as it's proportional, it's typically the "fans" who are condemned (rightfully so, in most cases). Thankfully, over the past few years, we are seeing a bit of a change, where organisations are starting to search and sanction dangerous, harassing and beer (and other things) throwing "fans", so the cycling athletes don't need to take care of them anymore.
Throwing beer is assault.
And urine!
Sven Nys's reaction was perfect. He didn't got violent but confronted his harasser on the same level on wich he was clearly inferior without missing the opportunity for a dialog. I'm really impressed by him and his actions
Yeah you are so right what a bum throwing beer on a legend like him
If you’re going to find riders what about the spectators who started it.
Couple of blips in the editing, but other than that: great vid as always
I was looking for that Iserbyt stomping vid. Thanks!
mvdp can spit on any fans he wants. they’re bums
Didnt know Pidcock was such a coward..pretty disappointing
Almost? Have you looked at a calendar lately?
Hahahahah almost time for WVA and MVDP to come back
@@thecyclingdane Ok. So you haven't looked at a calendar. That doesn't happen until Christmas.
I fully support and condone riders making fans accountable for their cretinous actions. The only "unsporting" things here are actions against the rules towards fellow racers.
Cyclo cross is a road bike ignoring mountain bikes
12:30 With that history, in the US Femke Van den Driessche could run and win the presidency.
whatever my man. this is about cycling, stop relating everything to your political outrage.
Worked for Biden
In general many of those top riders think to much of them self.
Pidcock is starting to copy that fool of cavendish.
Yes - was pretty shicked - didnt think he was petty and sneaky
Mr Dane did I see you in a random pic featuring the new Motirolo strava holder Jack B? Who is taller you or Nairoman?
Hahahaha look out Tuesday on the action channel is all I will say
They should barred for two seasons, and heavily fined!!!!!
They could have joined MMA.
I cyclocross there much supportersclans. First the woman ride there race and later the men. SOMME spectators by then have alreddy drunk a lot of beers... And sommetimes somme spectators doing bad things against the atletes. Trowing beer whe the riders passing, trowing mud, and other bad things. Mathieu VDP had to endure a lot from somme spectators. And sommetimes they make the atletes verry angry ! sommetimes atletes who getting tired of this reacting to those trouble makers...
Iserbith had to pay 15.000 to the ICC because of that incident ! Iserbit knew he had donne sommething bad and apoligised publicly , sanctioned for 3 races. Paying 15.000 euro is over it ! ! This is much to much !
So what?