where is the boneyard? why did the master not find the OBVIUS entrance to 33?? how did shady sands teleport from the original location in the games to the location shown in the series?
I hope that you realize that the TV show happens about 100 years later, so many things have changed. We know very little about the Master, he may have found the door but a vault door cannot be opened like your restroom door! In the game Shady Sands was of course not in LA but in a TV show you cannot say that the hero traveled during a month to reach the next goal. So everything is located in the same spot. it doesn't make senses but it's a TV show with limitations. It's called conveniences, the show is full of them but it doesn't make it bad because we all know how cinema and TV work.
@@kukipett your MISSING THE POINT as usual with Bethesda fanatics. All you do is make excuses and literally tell Amazon and Bethesda " hey keep f*cking it up im enjoying it".
@@MLPDethDealr32 So you should write to Tim Cain the creator of Fallout who wrote all tat lore that he's and idiot for liking the show and not being a lore zealot. He said many time that Fallout lore is not some ridiculous bible sacred texts
Any adaptation in today's industry is always waay different. They just don't know how to create new story lines and heroes. Worst many working on Fallout production haven't even plaid Fallout. So this Fallout will be just like Lord Of The Rings, Rings of Power. Hyped to the max but you know it will flop or it did not do well after all.
the super duper mart is in the show + billy the kid in the fridge is a direct reference to fallout 4 (maximus coming out the fridge as a kid in the brotherhood flashbacks)
I think Heavy Spoilers had a really good take on the dates and timeline. The year that was labeled the fall of Shady Sands was the same year as the first battle of Hoover Dam. Despite it being a victory for the NCR it was still costly. The fall is describing the start of the decline of the NCR (which is kind of what we see in FNV). However, something I just thought about now, the "fall" of Shady Sands doesn't even corelate to the nuke at all. The NCR could have been at peak power and performance, and it still would've happened. IDK maybe people are just reading too much into it, which is sad cause I think with the inevitable season 2, there is a real good chance of us finally getting FNV2 even if it's just a show. End of my rambling, thanks for listening lol
This is my favorite take. The fall of the NCR must have been nuanced and taken time. For all we know, they abandoned Southern California and still exist elsewhere. Shady Sands wasn't even the capital when it was destroyed. The NCR in 2296 is mostly still an enigma. Anything could still happen. I mean Robert House was even shown!!! I don't think any history has been definitely erased.
As a massive Fallout fan having played these games for countless hours over the years I am really really really really tired of all the nitpicking going on in the Fallout "community". It is a FAR better show than could be expected (and was expected) , no it is actually a very good show, that stays as true to the games as possibly. Is it 100 % canon, well probably not and who really cares. If it was 100 % canon parts of the "community" would just find other thing to go after - the size of the Nuka bottles, the colour tones in the clothing etc . You name it. This is a Tv-show based on games made for not only fans of the games, but for everyone, it is NOT a religion.
The characters were unlikeable and became more unlikeable as the show progressed. The retcons and near removal of New Vegas from cannon has many people pissed off. The shows set designs, props, and fx, were for the most part pretty solid. The writing and story is lacking and with a show those are some of the most important parts. A "TV-show not for fans but everyone" is absolutely ridiculous and not what people who like fallout want.
@@fatherlee1656 , The last scene in the season a view of New Vegas ...Vegas will be in , so what are you even talking about . I loved the characters by the way and how do you know others feel the same way as you .
I think you missed the issue. I like Fallout games a lot, wouldn't call myself a fan but I played most of them many times and read a lot about the lore and theories. I just watched the TV series and like it a lot, it was pretty decent, would have watched season 2 if/when it drops. However when I learned it was supposed to be cannon I was very angry. Because on top of breaking a lot of the stories we played in the game and some established lore that made the universe it destroys the most important secret of the whole games universe : who dropped the bombs ? One of the huge motivators in playing the games is trying to get more clues about the big mysteries, what happened when the bombs fell ? What exactly was/is Vault Tek trying to do ? And so on and so forth. Some people spent more time speculating about this and creating theories using details found ingame than most players spentin actual playtime and the TV show gives it away ? And not just gives it away but does this in the very first season of the show, just 8 measly episodes to learn all we've been trying to piece together for decades? If it wasn't cannon, well I would still argue that the big reveal so soon is not ideal for the series, removes a lot of the mystery but ok not a big deal. But making it canon is spitting on every single fallout player, the big reveal is cheap and not even done in a game but on a TV series.
The fall of Shady Sands doesn't necessarily mean the simultaneous and complete fall of the NCR. Shady Sands wasn't even the capital when it was destroyed. We know the NCR was "stretched thin" during New Vegas and it's possible the NCR still exists outside of Southern California in an unknown condition. I don't think the western history has been definitively erased. We even got an appearance from a pre-war Robert House, and assumedly Hank McLean running to reunite with him in ep 8.
I agree if Todd Howard says something is canon - it's canon indeed. 0:33 He is not and never will be the original creator, Bethesda bought Fallout from Interplay, the franchise was around since I was born in 1997. Timothy Cain is the original creator of Fallout.
Cain hasnt had a hand in Fallout for many, many years. He may be the creator but if we take his lore as 100% truth every Fallout game after 2 is non-cannon to his original story and idea. Todd Howards Fallout lore is cannon now.
My take is that the show is canon in the details, props, weapons, and everything like but not in the story, taking shortcuts, changing some lore to fit that new story. So we have the false feeling that it is canon because we find so many little references or easter eggs but it's just some fan service. The story behind changes or makes so many things in the background storyline and establish a new canon. This is not the first time Bethesda do it, they have an idea for a scenario then they retcon all they need to fit in the new timeline.
Oh yes, the answer is clear - the show is NOT canon. The timelines don't match up, especially with the NCR being "destroyed" and the Brotherhood being so active above ground in the West. It's common lore that the Brotherhood in California is borderline nonexistent, and the Brotherhood in the Mojave is weak, and underground to preserve what few members they have left. The destruction of the NCR is completely unrealistic not only based on the timeline, but even more so - the population of Shady Sands ALONE (not including the Hub, Boneyard, Klamath, etc.) is significantly higher than any Brotherhood settlement in the country. So how could they have ever mustered enough strength to pull something like that last battle off? Answer - they couldn't. It's just not canon. Period.
Non-Canon. The timeline given for the fall of the NCR makes no sense. What the writers of this show didn't seem to understand is that the New California Republic isn't just Shady Sands. It's an entire country with a population of 700,000, with functioning infrastructure. NCR consists of Shady Sands, Junktown, the Hub, Maxson, the Boneyard, and Dayglow in the south. In the north, following the events of Fallout 2, NCR also has Redding, New Reno, Modoc, Vault City, and probably Arroyo and Klamath as well. Even if the capital were nuked and the country split, all of these places would still exist, but none of them are referenced in the show at all. In fact, the show doesn't have a particularly good sense of geography, either, as the Namibian desert looks great visually, but it doesn't look much like California. I honestly don't think the writers ever played Fallout 1 or 2, nor do they seem to grasp how long 200 years actually is. Fallout 2 and New Vegas were about the "frontier" phase of the post-apocalypse. The "wasteland" phase ended long ago.
@@joebenzz That's the point though - Shady Sands can't have been eliminated based on the timeline. If Shady Sands was destroyed in 2277 in the show, why, then, in 2281 is the city still there?
So, im not sure why it would make any sense for them to mention other areas. The show basically revolves around a Vault dweller thats literally never seen anything but the inside of a vault, and a naive Initiate whos learning about the world. Plus, they cant do everything in 1 season or else thsre wont be anything to build on for season 2
It's a canon show, everybody involved with the project as said so. Nothing is really retconned either, in FNV Shady Sands is already referred to as the "original" capital of the NCR which infers that theres a new one. Probably the Hub or Boneyard. Vault-tec being responsible for the Great War is something people have theorized for a long time they just decided to make it real. I've been a Fallout fan since the NMA days and i really dig it. Looks like they made the House ending for FNV canon too considering we see a battle on the strip between NCR and a securitron army
@@applekidn1 The close up in the post credits show crashed NCR vertibirds and destroyed securitrons layed around the streets implying a battle happened
disrespectfull is ppl judging tings whitout using theyr heads and not waiting for season 2... i dont see noting changed, just added, i dont see ncr destroyed, ppl nowdays just like to see the world on fire...
Didn't they see the end of ep 8? Where we see the true villain of the show looking at New Vegas itself? I honestly believe that they are going to do New Vegas in season 2. I think that we didn't hear anything about Fallout 4 as that was based in the east, so we might see it later. So, maybe they did change slight things from the game for the show. So whilst conan in most areas, there's slight A.U to it too.
well, slight canon changes are ok, but ther are some questions that are unawnsered like, how did the boneyard disappear? why didn't the master find the vault entrance to 33 or 4? why did shady sands move again?
@user-le9qt5te3x dude, the people who made the show are the same people who make the game, and they said it was Canon and the next installment in the Fallout series of events. It is Canon.
@@collincutler4992 It is absolutely not. It was already established canon that there aren't any Brotherhood of Steel chapters in California at this time. Like the Enclave, they either migrated East or North, or integrated with the NCR. In 2277, they're trying to tell us Shady Sands was bombed, and yet, in 2281, Shady Sands is still active and unbombed. So how can they contradict established canon? Simple - because this is canon in it's OWN universe, but not canon to the Fallout timeline.
Todd isnt the Original Creator of Fallout, Tim Cain, Chris Avellone, Brian Fargo, and Leonard Boyarsky are, among a few others. Also, "New fans" are the problem. How many of them went and played Fallout 1 or Tactics after this show, turned their brains on for once and began questioning stuff? Not many it seems as they keep making excuses for Bethesda gutting the Franchise along with Amazon. Just like with Lord of the Rings, too many are willing to excuse what amounts to further BASTARDIZATION of a beloved Franchise and will do nothing to save it.
after washing it all it was better than I thought it would be I like most of the characters especially the ghoul the brotherhood member I think he needs more work The story is 50/50 for me they did show how evil vault tec is and have fanatical The brotherhood is really well
Yeah exactly! I think I can consider myself a hardcore fallout fan, played it all from 1 to 76 and have always been into the every detail of the lore. In my opinion, I feel like they actually stopped going for the bethesdatype of fallout and leaned towards the original, because how hardcore the setting feels in the series. There were a lot of civilised folks in bethesda's games but real fallout people were more like the one in the show. A lotta folks have been saying "they retconned this and that..." but I don't think that anything is retconned yet. NCR was already a failing state in FO:NV and Shady Sands needed to be near the city so that the main protagonist wouldn't wander into a whole lotta nothingness as it wouldn't look good on the screen. People should just give the show a time to tell us more about the state of NCR and the Legion. Because the NCR we have seen might be just outcasts who simply did not want to leave Shady Sands. Honestly, I had zero expectations as Bethesda always fucked up one of the greatest titles of all times and I am really surprised how well they have done it. It would start to get bad for me if they just retcon New Vegas title tho. Welp, I am hyped for the second season, I hope they won't try to change what they already have.
@@tyalsvarrr couldnt of said it better myself, this is exactly why this adaption is good, you could tell the people really loved the lore and expanded on it in great ways (vault-tec stuff especially the meeting made me geek out hard). Also, you're 100% right on how they went with Fallout 1 & 2 way more than Bethesda era which was a great direction imo. Im really pumped for season 2, storywise but also Deathclaws, Super Mutants with Thaddeus, Securitrons and all that good stuff but for me personally i would love to know what happened at the Big MT since seeing the CEO at the meet lol
.....maybe go back and play the new vegas ...yes the dates are weird but in new vegas the ncr is in shambles with no way to reinforce hoover dam ..so yes the actual dates are kinda weird..it would have made more sense if shady sands was destroyed in the mid 2280s ..but really that's the only part that dosnt track ..unless you take the "fall of shady sands" to mean hoover dam defeat and the mushroom cloud with no date happened after that ...but it's a post apocalypse...I imagine dates are all screwed up
Exactly. The timelines are all off. How could Shady Sands have been destroyed in 2277 (the show's time) when in 2281 (New Vegas time) the city is still alive? It's because the show isn't canon; it doesn't make any sense.
It makes no sens to be cannon, i think Bethesda is lying to make more people watch it, it makes no sense for charakters and events for this to be cannon
@@YOGI-kb9tg Mr. House makes no sense then, Nuking of Shady Sands makes no sense for FNV, the vilan is full of plotholes. The distances make no sense and the positions of the citys. So wtf are you talking about?
@@ajdinyavuz7575 it does. Mr house isn't going to tell us he was the cause of the nukes and in lore he knew the bombs were coming, nuking shade sands because it wasn't nuked in 2277 you can't read the chalk board and yea the villain is silly but it fits for a evil corporation that makes horrible experiments.
No, it's not canon. That's not how it works. The story has already been told, timelines set in stone. If you try to fight that, then it's not canon. Period.
@@AvorVolker I wish that were true, but generally when the people running the IP say something is or isn't part of the official canon, that's what it becomes. It doesn't take the old canon away and us classic Fallout fans can chose to ignore it, but it nonetheless hurts the west coast canon for future official releases etc.
@@Godzilla52 It is true, though. The timelines prove that this show is canon within it's OWN universe/timeline. But it's factually not canon within the general Fallout timeline. They've contradicted themselves with it, and they showed an active Brotherhood of Steel chapter in California. Once again - the canon is there are no active BoS or Enclave chapters in California. They left years ago after the NCR took over. But I agree - this definitely hurts future releases no matter what they do. And they've guaranteed that season 2 will be financially less successful than this first season with this nonsense.
@@AvorVolker this is why i want Bethesda to lose the license and Emil to get fired for being a hack writer and a F8ck up in every sense of the word. That man cannot write worth sh*T.
@@MLPDethDealr32 Yep, I agree. The show COULD have been good, but I think they've made way too many mistakes and done too many things to upset traditional fans of Fallout. They've brought in a new group of fans who don't care and don't spend money the way we do on merch, memberships etc. Emil is trash, and not even remotely talented. He should find a new field of work, something a sellout is good in...hmm...he could be a Call of Duty developer.
Dawg of Todd said it’s canon. It’s canon. Whether he goes back on that in the future or someone else does is not knowable. As of today, this video serves zero purpose.
Fallout 4 was a bit of a mess, and the story was weak. 76 was a dumpster fire on launch. Starfield was boring and a whole garbage truck in flames. The Fallout TV show is a betrayal of the old lore. Gee, I wonder what TES6 is gonna be like.
It's not betraying old lore at all. I've been a Fallout fan for a long time and I can't point out anything that breaks the lore. The only weird thing to me is the Master not knowing theres 3 connected vaults to each other so close to where he operated out of. At best he saw it was a HQ vault system and thought it would be too well protected to be suitable for his army. In FNV Shady Sands is already referred to as an old capital of the NCR not the current one so it's possible that it fell during the 1st battle of Hoover Dam then it got nuked 10 years later. Max was around 10 years old when SS got nuked and he's in his early 20s when the show begins in 2296
@@JacobLevelX In FNV Shady Sands is refered as "old capital" because it was renamed in Fallout 2 to "NCR". In fact, it is not even refered as "old capital" like you said but the question mentioning it in FNV is "what was the original name of the NCR capital" Admit it, the showrunners made a mistake, that's it
According to the show the fall of Shady Sands occurred on the 2277, but FN takes places in 2281 and there is no mentioning of Shady Sands or NCR (Shady Sands was renamed to NCR in 2186) being bombed into Oblivion.
@@captain_knees795 No, it's not. Todd can hate New Vegas all he wants, but it was under his orders that Obsidian (the company that developed New Vegas) follow lore at that time. And now Todd thinks he has the right at all (he doesn't) to go against lore his company established. So no, it's not canon.
@@AvorVolker No, only one timeline is off, and it’s new Vegas. Because the events of new Vegas happened where the NCR being spread thin collapsed before the currier arrived. Also Tod Howard, the guy who has the final say on all of this stated that it is indeed canon. I wouldn’t be surprised if they soft reboot the game series to reflect the changes brought by the show. Given that fallout isn’t set to have another game release for at least another 10 years.
@@TriumviratelyYes, the ONLY timeline. New Vegas was in line with events from 1,2 and 3. Even 4 was in line. But destroying Shady Sands in 2277 when the city is active and functional in 2281 is nonsense. It's just not canon.
Todd Howard is not the original creator of the Fallout games
And?
But Tim Cain is, and he said he loved the show. He even went to the Hollywood premier.
Edit: Tim also worked on NV.
No, but he owns it now and has full say in what's canon and what's not
@@collincutler4992 doesn't mean he has the right to destroy the best games lore
He made 76 too and it was a pile of crap
where is the boneyard? why did the master not find the OBVIUS entrance to 33?? how did shady sands teleport from the original location in the games to the location shown in the series?
I hope that you realize that the TV show happens about 100 years later, so many things have changed. We know very little about the Master, he may have found the door but a vault door cannot be opened like your restroom door!
In the game Shady Sands was of course not in LA but in a TV show you cannot say that the hero traveled during a month to reach the next goal.
So everything is located in the same spot. it doesn't make senses but it's a TV show with limitations. It's called conveniences, the show is full of them but it doesn't make it bad because we all know how cinema and TV work.
@@kukipett your MISSING THE POINT as usual with Bethesda fanatics. All you do is make excuses and literally tell Amazon and Bethesda " hey keep f*cking it up im enjoying it".
@@MLPDethDealr32 So you should write to Tim Cain the creator of Fallout who wrote all tat lore that he's and idiot for liking the show and not being a lore zealot. He said many time that Fallout lore is not some ridiculous bible sacred texts
Can we stop pretending Bethesda is a good studio now?
I agree. It's definitely dropped in quality, and feels like a knock-off from studios of the 90's and early 2000s.
they literally talk about operation anchorage a tease new vegas give it time
"give it time" why do you keep making excuses for Corpos.
Any adaptation in today's industry is always waay different. They just don't know how to create new story lines and heroes. Worst many working on Fallout production haven't even plaid Fallout. So this Fallout will be just like Lord Of The Rings, Rings of Power. Hyped to the max but you know it will flop or it did not do well after all.
Did you even watched the show ?
It's a good show, but as far as I'm concerned it isn't canon until a game says it is.
Wait for 10 years and maybe all will be confirmed.
the super duper mart is in the show + billy the kid in the fridge is a direct reference to fallout 4 (maximus coming out the fridge as a kid in the brotherhood flashbacks)
I think Heavy Spoilers had a really good take on the dates and timeline. The year that was labeled the fall of Shady Sands was the same year as the first battle of Hoover Dam. Despite it being a victory for the NCR it was still costly. The fall is describing the start of the decline of the NCR (which is kind of what we see in FNV).
However, something I just thought about now, the "fall" of Shady Sands doesn't even corelate to the nuke at all. The NCR could have been at peak power and performance, and it still would've happened.
IDK maybe people are just reading too much into it, which is sad cause I think with the inevitable season 2, there is a real good chance of us finally getting FNV2 even if it's just a show.
End of my rambling, thanks for listening lol
This is my favorite take. The fall of the NCR must have been nuanced and taken time. For all we know, they abandoned Southern California and still exist elsewhere. Shady Sands wasn't even the capital when it was destroyed. The NCR in 2296 is mostly still an enigma. Anything could still happen. I mean Robert House was even shown!!! I don't think any history has been definitely erased.
As a massive Fallout fan having played these games for countless hours over the years I am really really really really tired of all the nitpicking going on in the Fallout "community". It is a FAR better show than could be expected (and was expected) , no it is actually a very good show, that stays as true to the games as possibly. Is it 100 % canon, well probably not and who really cares. If it was 100 % canon parts of the "community" would just find other thing to go after - the size of the Nuka bottles, the colour tones in the clothing etc . You name it. This is a Tv-show based on games made for not only fans of the games, but for everyone, it is NOT a religion.
You’re not a fallout fan. Don’t claim to be one.
The characters were unlikeable and became more unlikeable as the show progressed. The retcons and near removal of New Vegas from cannon has many people pissed off. The shows set designs, props, and fx, were for the most part pretty solid. The writing and story is lacking and with a show those are some of the most important parts. A "TV-show not for fans but everyone" is absolutely ridiculous and not what people who like fallout want.
@@Bluis5445 Really ..you got no idea what you are talking about and at the same time prove my point .
@@fatherlee1656 , The last scene in the season a view of New Vegas ...Vegas will be in , so what are you even talking about . I loved the characters by the way and how do you know others feel the same way as you .
I think you missed the issue.
I like Fallout games a lot, wouldn't call myself a fan but I played most of them many times and read a lot about the lore and theories.
I just watched the TV series and like it a lot, it was pretty decent, would have watched season 2 if/when it drops.
However when I learned it was supposed to be cannon I was very angry.
Because on top of breaking a lot of the stories we played in the game and some established lore that made the universe it destroys the most important secret of the whole games universe : who dropped the bombs ?
One of the huge motivators in playing the games is trying to get more clues about the big mysteries, what happened when the bombs fell ? What exactly was/is Vault Tek trying to do ? And so on and so forth.
Some people spent more time speculating about this and creating theories using details found ingame than most players spentin actual playtime and the TV show gives it away ? And not just gives it away but does this in the very first season of the show, just 8 measly episodes to learn all we've been trying to piece together for decades?
If it wasn't cannon, well I would still argue that the big reveal so soon is not ideal for the series, removes a lot of the mystery but ok not a big deal.
But making it canon is spitting on every single fallout player, the big reveal is cheap and not even done in a game but on a TV series.
The mention that the main leaders of the Brotherhood are in The Commonwealth and are the ones that give orders to the other chapters
The fall of Shady Sands doesn't necessarily mean the simultaneous and complete fall of the NCR. Shady Sands wasn't even the capital when it was destroyed. We know the NCR was "stretched thin" during New Vegas and it's possible the NCR still exists outside of Southern California in an unknown condition. I don't think the western history has been definitively erased.
We even got an appearance from a pre-war Robert House, and assumedly Hank McLean running to reunite with him in ep 8.
Fallout is based on the old TSR game...Gamma World.
I agree if Todd Howard says something is canon - it's canon indeed. 0:33 He is not and never will be the original creator, Bethesda bought Fallout from Interplay, the franchise was around since I was born in 1997. Timothy Cain is the original creator of Fallout.
Cain hasnt had a hand in Fallout for many, many years. He may be the creator but if we take his lore as 100% truth every Fallout game after 2 is non-cannon to his original story and idea. Todd Howards Fallout lore is cannon now.
@@PenguinGaming As was the first part of my comment for a reason, Todd isn't the creator but the one who controls canon now.
@@FluxCrazyGamingYT ah I misread your initial comment.
@@PenguinGaming All good 👍
My take is that the show is canon in the details, props, weapons, and everything like but not in the story, taking shortcuts, changing some lore to fit that new story.
So we have the false feeling that it is canon because we find so many little references or easter eggs but it's just some fan service. The story behind changes or makes so many things in the background storyline and establish a new canon. This is not the first time Bethesda do it, they have an idea for a scenario then they retcon all they need to fit in the new timeline.
Oh yes, the answer is clear - the show is NOT canon. The timelines don't match up, especially with the NCR being "destroyed" and the Brotherhood being so active above ground in the West. It's common lore that the Brotherhood in California is borderline nonexistent, and the Brotherhood in the Mojave is weak, and underground to preserve what few members they have left.
The destruction of the NCR is completely unrealistic not only based on the timeline, but even more so - the population of Shady Sands ALONE (not including the Hub, Boneyard, Klamath, etc.) is significantly higher than any Brotherhood settlement in the country. So how could they have ever mustered enough strength to pull something like that last battle off? Answer - they couldn't. It's just not canon. Period.
Non-Canon. The timeline given for the fall of the NCR makes no sense. What the writers of this show didn't seem to understand is that the New California Republic isn't just Shady Sands. It's an entire country with a population of 700,000, with functioning infrastructure. NCR consists of Shady Sands, Junktown, the Hub, Maxson, the Boneyard, and Dayglow in the south. In the north, following the events of Fallout 2, NCR also has Redding, New Reno, Modoc, Vault City, and probably Arroyo and Klamath as well. Even if the capital were nuked and the country split, all of these places would still exist, but none of them are referenced in the show at all. In fact, the show doesn't have a particularly good sense of geography, either, as the Namibian desert looks great visually, but it doesn't look much like California. I honestly don't think the writers ever played Fallout 1 or 2, nor do they seem to grasp how long 200 years actually is. Fallout 2 and New Vegas were about the "frontier" phase of the post-apocalypse. The "wasteland" phase ended long ago.
Yes!! Great to see this comment
The show didn't say that the NCR was completely obliterated. It just showed that Shady Sands was destroyed.
The NCR isn't gone, just shady sands....
@@joebenzz That's the point though - Shady Sands can't have been eliminated based on the timeline. If Shady Sands was destroyed in 2277 in the show, why, then, in 2281 is the city still there?
So, im not sure why it would make any sense for them to mention other areas. The show basically revolves around a Vault dweller thats literally never seen anything but the inside of a vault, and a naive Initiate whos learning about the world.
Plus, they cant do everything in 1 season or else thsre wont be anything to build on for season 2
It's a canon show, everybody involved with the project as said so. Nothing is really retconned either, in FNV Shady Sands is already referred to as the "original" capital of the NCR which infers that theres a new one. Probably the Hub or Boneyard. Vault-tec being responsible for the Great War is something people have theorized for a long time they just decided to make it real. I've been a Fallout fan since the NMA days and i really dig it. Looks like they made the House ending for FNV canon too considering we see a battle on the strip between NCR and a securitron army
They literally say the politicians back in shady sands are in power
Where do we see that. We only see new vegas from a distant in the end. And then close up layout just in post credits
@@applekidn1 The close up in the post credits show crashed NCR vertibirds and destroyed securitrons layed around the streets implying a battle happened
disrespectfull is ppl judging tings whitout using theyr heads and not waiting for season 2... i dont see noting changed, just added, i dont see ncr destroyed, ppl nowdays just like to see the world on fire...
You didn't saw the big crater and people trying to rebuild the NCR ?
Didn't they see the end of ep 8? Where we see the true villain of the show looking at New Vegas itself? I honestly believe that they are going to do New Vegas in season 2. I think that we didn't hear anything about Fallout 4 as that was based in the east, so we might see it later.
So, maybe they did change slight things from the game for the show. So whilst conan in most areas, there's slight A.U to it too.
well, slight canon changes are ok, but ther are some questions that are unawnsered like, how did the boneyard disappear? why didn't the master find the vault entrance to 33 or 4? why did shady sands move again?
The show is great if you consider it non-canon.
Bethesda has already said it's canon
@@collincutler4992 Josh Sawyer too who was heavily involved with FNV
@@collincutler4992 It is not canon.
@user-le9qt5te3x dude, the people who made the show are the same people who make the game, and they said it was Canon and the next installment in the Fallout series of events. It is Canon.
@@collincutler4992 It is absolutely not. It was already established canon that there aren't any Brotherhood of Steel chapters in California at this time. Like the Enclave, they either migrated East or North, or integrated with the NCR.
In 2277, they're trying to tell us Shady Sands was bombed, and yet, in 2281, Shady Sands is still active and unbombed. So how can they contradict established canon? Simple - because this is canon in it's OWN universe, but not canon to the Fallout timeline.
Todd isnt the Original Creator of Fallout, Tim Cain, Chris Avellone, Brian Fargo, and Leonard Boyarsky are, among a few others.
Also, "New fans" are the problem. How many of them went and played Fallout 1 or Tactics after this show, turned their brains on for once and began questioning stuff?
Not many it seems as they keep making excuses for Bethesda gutting the Franchise along with Amazon.
Just like with Lord of the Rings, too many are willing to excuse what amounts to further BASTARDIZATION of a beloved Franchise and will do nothing to save it.
Yes. Yes it is.
as someone who sunk thousands of hours into all the games, this adaptation was beyond amazing. im very happy it came out the way it did
…why
@@FaustianDaydreams because it felt like Fallout, i got some of the same feelings watching the show as i did playing the games
after washing it all it was better than I thought it would be I like most of the characters especially the ghoul the brotherhood member I think he needs more work The story is 50/50 for me they did show how evil vault tec is and have fanatical The brotherhood is really well
Yeah exactly! I think I can consider myself a hardcore fallout fan, played it all from 1 to 76 and have always been into the every detail of the lore. In my opinion, I feel like they actually stopped going for the bethesdatype of fallout and leaned towards the original, because how hardcore the setting feels in the series. There were a lot of civilised folks in bethesda's games but real fallout people were more like the one in the show. A lotta folks have been saying "they retconned this and that..." but I don't think that anything is retconned yet. NCR was already a failing state in FO:NV and Shady Sands needed to be near the city so that the main protagonist wouldn't wander into a whole lotta nothingness as it wouldn't look good on the screen. People should just give the show a time to tell us more about the state of NCR and the Legion. Because the NCR we have seen might be just outcasts who simply did not want to leave Shady Sands. Honestly, I had zero expectations as Bethesda always fucked up one of the greatest titles of all times and I am really surprised how well they have done it. It would start to get bad for me if they just retcon New Vegas title tho. Welp, I am hyped for the second season, I hope they won't try to change what they already have.
@@tyalsvarrr couldnt of said it better myself, this is exactly why this adaption is good, you could tell the people really loved the lore and expanded on it in great ways (vault-tec stuff especially the meeting made me geek out hard). Also, you're 100% right on how they went with Fallout 1 & 2 way more than Bethesda era which was a great direction imo. Im really pumped for season 2, storywise but also Deathclaws, Super Mutants with Thaddeus, Securitrons and all that good stuff but for me personally i would love to know what happened at the Big MT since seeing the CEO at the meet lol
The show is easily canon, there’s multiple endings to the games
.....maybe go back and play the new vegas ...yes the dates are weird but in new vegas the ncr is in shambles with no way to reinforce hoover dam ..so yes the actual dates are kinda weird..it would have made more sense if shady sands was destroyed in the mid 2280s ..but really that's the only part that dosnt track ..unless you take the "fall of shady sands" to mean hoover dam defeat and the mushroom cloud with no date happened after that ...but it's a post apocalypse...I imagine dates are all screwed up
Exactly. The timelines are all off. How could Shady Sands have been destroyed in 2277 (the show's time) when in 2281 (New Vegas time) the city is still alive? It's because the show isn't canon; it doesn't make any sense.
Please make it non canon
Dog meat and the red rocket
Lol they haven’t clearly seen the show 😂😂😂
It makes no sens to be cannon, i think Bethesda is lying to make more people watch it, it makes no sense for charakters and events for this to be cannon
It is canon and doesn't retcon anything.
@@YOGI-kb9tg Mr. House makes no sense then, Nuking of Shady Sands makes no sense for FNV, the vilan is full of plotholes. The distances make no sense and the positions of the citys. So wtf are you talking about?
@@ajdinyavuz7575 it does. Mr house isn't going to tell us he was the cause of the nukes and in lore he knew the bombs were coming, nuking shade sands because it wasn't nuked in 2277 you can't read the chalk board and yea the villain is silly but it fits for a evil corporation that makes horrible experiments.
With how much it damages the canon in the West coast, I wish that it wasn't, but since Todd confirmed the show is canon, it is.
No, it's not canon. That's not how it works. The story has already been told, timelines set in stone. If you try to fight that, then it's not canon. Period.
@@AvorVolker I wish that were true, but generally when the people running the IP say something is or isn't part of the official canon, that's what it becomes. It doesn't take the old canon away and us classic Fallout fans can chose to ignore it, but it nonetheless hurts the west coast canon for future official releases etc.
@@Godzilla52 It is true, though. The timelines prove that this show is canon within it's OWN universe/timeline. But it's factually not canon within the general Fallout timeline. They've contradicted themselves with it, and they showed an active Brotherhood of Steel chapter in California. Once again - the canon is there are no active BoS or Enclave chapters in California. They left years ago after the NCR took over.
But I agree - this definitely hurts future releases no matter what they do. And they've guaranteed that season 2 will be financially less successful than this first season with this nonsense.
@@AvorVolker this is why i want Bethesda to lose the license and Emil to get fired for being a hack writer and a F8ck up in every sense of the word. That man cannot write worth sh*T.
@@MLPDethDealr32 Yep, I agree. The show COULD have been good, but I think they've made way too many mistakes and done too many things to upset traditional fans of Fallout. They've brought in a new group of fans who don't care and don't spend money the way we do on merch, memberships etc.
Emil is trash, and not even remotely talented. He should find a new field of work, something a sellout is good in...hmm...he could be a Call of Duty developer.
who cares if its canon lol
it's logical that fallout 3 and 4 aren't relevant, they are literally on the other side of the country
They’re not on the other side of the country. 4 is in Boston while 3 Is based around Pensilvania for the capital wasteland
@@applekidn1 the east and west coast aren't exactly close
@@Psyko7274 read a geography book yet you weirdo
Dawg of Todd said it’s canon. It’s canon. Whether he goes back on that in the future or someone else does is not knowable. As of today, this video serves zero purpose.
The show is not canon. The timelines for the destruction of Shady Sands proves that.
Fallout 4 was a bit of a mess, and the story was weak. 76 was a dumpster fire on launch. Starfield was boring and a whole garbage truck in flames. The Fallout TV show is a betrayal of the old lore.
Gee, I wonder what TES6 is gonna be like.
It's not betraying old lore at all. I've been a Fallout fan for a long time and I can't point out anything that breaks the lore. The only weird thing to me is the Master not knowing theres 3 connected vaults to each other so close to where he operated out of. At best he saw it was a HQ vault system and thought it would be too well protected to be suitable for his army. In FNV Shady Sands is already referred to as an old capital of the NCR not the current one so it's possible that it fell during the 1st battle of Hoover Dam then it got nuked 10 years later. Max was around 10 years old when SS got nuked and he's in his early 20s when the show begins in 2296
@@JacobLevelX In FNV Shady Sands is refered as "old capital" because it was renamed in Fallout 2 to "NCR". In fact, it is not even refered as "old capital" like you said but the question mentioning it in FNV is "what was the original name of the NCR capital"
Admit it, the showrunners made a mistake, that's it
It is totally canon and doesn't retcon anything.
Well it retcons some stuff related to ghouls.
People are complaining because vault tech nuked the NCR and the BOS is supposed to be exterminated.
THE SHOW IS SET AFTER! AFTER NEW VEGAS. Tf are people on about
According to the show the fall of Shady Sands occurred on the 2277, but FN takes places in 2281 and there is no mentioning of Shady Sands or NCR (Shady Sands was renamed to NCR in 2186) being bombed into Oblivion.
@@funnycorner2802 Exactly. This is the prime proof that the show isn't canon.
@@AvorVolker it’s cannon. The leader of Bethesda I forgot his name HATES FN
@@funnycorner2802 cuz the leader of Bethesda hates FN and tries to write it out
@@captain_knees795 No, it's not. Todd can hate New Vegas all he wants, but it was under his orders that Obsidian (the company that developed New Vegas) follow lore at that time. And now Todd thinks he has the right at all (he doesn't) to go against lore his company established.
So no, it's not canon.
Yes. Yes it’s cannon.
Timelines are all wrong, so no, it's not canon.
@@AvorVolker No, only one timeline is off, and it’s new Vegas. Because the events of new Vegas happened where the NCR being spread thin collapsed before the currier arrived.
Also Tod Howard, the guy who has the final say on all of this stated that it is indeed canon.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they soft reboot the game series to reflect the changes brought by the show. Given that fallout isn’t set to have another game release for at least another 10 years.
@@TriumviratelyYes, the ONLY timeline. New Vegas was in line with events from 1,2 and 3. Even 4 was in line. But destroying Shady Sands in 2277 when the city is active and functional in 2281 is nonsense. It's just not canon.
@@AvorVolker cannon now. no wonder they aren’t making a new Vegas remaster/sequel
@@Triumvirately No, it is not canon. But you are free to be delusional about it. Clearly there's no bringing you back to reality. Good day.