I like the improved visibility compared to the Zwift 3, but expect lower performance and acquisition cost on the Atos electric motor glider given the construction. Looking forward to specs such as L/D curves, Vmin sink, and endurance under battery power!.
Certainly love this plane. Such a huge development in sailplanes. I would have loved hang gliders but for their danger. But this is exceptional. Keep working at it. You have really achieved something here.
What do you mean by "would have loved hang gliders but for their danger"? I flew hang gliders in the 80s and 90s. Back then a high performance flex wing was a pig to control in roll. Modern flex wings have come a long way since then and even some of the highest performing flex wings are quite roll responsive even in VG on mode. If you want roll controlled by moving surfaces you can just spend 3-4 times more and get an Atos VR rigid wing.
If I am to fly one of those, I will have to build one, since I have no way of buying one. Therefore I wonder how to I get the plans? (even if it takes me 20 years)
Considering that your typical HG pilot isn't so familiar with adverse yaw and that this is single-pilot operation only, spoilerons are probably the smartest move. And while I cannot say "how" effective, they're certainly going to do a lot more for you in a spin if you try and roll against it, and at least not likely make the problem worse because you aren't leveling them like you need to with ailerons. They're also trying to meet a specific weight class of 120 kg empty. Ailerons require more structure and weight to accommodate the greater lift and twisting they provide: spoilerons simply reduce the lift and add a little bit of drag on one side. All in all, for being friendlier to 3-axis neophytes, for not having to completely reinvent their proven wing designs (increasing market access and reducing cost,) I think spoilerons are a good compromise for the little bit of effeciency loss and less authority that ailerons might have added. If that's what you desire, though, the Rupert Archaeopteryx is available... and the electric one will set you back $108K or more.😁
Is it planned to certify it as a "motorisierter Hängegleiter" according to the Austrian regulation as a direct competitor of the Swift or the Archaeopteryx? BR Dominik
Nice…. But what’s with all the video footage showing so much of what the power source can do. It’s sure is slick and capable, but we want to see soar ability especially when amongst others who are soaring for comparison.
@@avigator Please pardon my insolence. It’s clearly noticeable it was not a prime T day. I get the same frustrating feeling when I which videos of costumes of there home built Sonex XENOS motorgliders ( gas power that is ) put- putting along under power on most of the flights! How’s a prospective costumer supposed to judge aircraft soaring performance when the engine is running. Many questions on your design adaptation on the Atos….. like is the wings center section still it’s original folding connection mechanism? Will Atos or anyone finally design the same basic wing with out the added complexity of the mechanical fold process??? I would be most fine with a plug in wing sail plane concept ! I also feel that it’s present control process and configuration is more suited to weight shift and rather see it adapted on an electric trike. Watching how delicate yours looked on the ground opperations made me cringe ;-)
I'd think this might be able to sneak in as a Part 103 without FAA certification. It's roughly 120KG, I'd imagine the electric motor is more for climb than speed. Part 103 means it's a 'vehicle' not an airplane, doesn't require a license to fly in USA. The only problem is it doesn't really look like the tube/wire/dacron noise machines that part 103 appears to target, so you might get ramp checked to verify you're flying within part 103.
Nein. Die Flügen sind speziell an den Wing angepasst. Einer der vielen Gründe, ist die deutlich höhere Lastanforderung, welche der Flügel aushalten muss.
@@airatos1019 Durch das Leitwerk sollte der Flügel auch mit deutlich weniger Schränken auskommen, so dass sich die Leistung auch noch mal verbessern sollte, oder?
@@airatos1019 I suppose total weight means stronger structure and changes at the root? But it would be amazing to have a 2 in 1 that works as a tandem HG wing.
@@BlueMax333 Agreed. The take off and landing speed are too great for foot launch and landing with this set up even without the added weight of the motor and fuselage. I really do LOVE this iteration though! It's fantastic and I really wish that one day I can afford the place to take off and land with a proper hanger to house it. I am working on that now and I am not particular in the ultralight I get. However, I hope that it can soar as I love finding thermals and getting a free ride from them.
а зачем на дозвуковых малых скоростях такая стреловидность ? Расположение максимальной толщины профиля по хорде также вызывают сомнения в компетенции строителей данного ЛА . Можно еще коричневую полосу на фюзеляже наклеить пленкой , чтобы качество было выше, обязательно коричневую .
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First video I have ever seen where a sail plane takes off without a wing runner. There is hope!
Do that all the time in my Silent2 Electro.
I like the improved visibility compared to the Zwift 3, but expect lower performance and acquisition cost on the Atos electric motor glider given the construction. Looking forward to specs such as L/D curves, Vmin sink, and endurance under battery power!.
Such an elegant design.
Certainly love this plane. Such a huge development in sailplanes. I would have loved hang gliders but for their danger. But this is exceptional. Keep working at it. You have really achieved something here.
The wing is actually a rigid hang glider wing, the fuselage is built around it.
What do you mean by "would have loved hang gliders but for their danger"? I flew hang gliders in the 80s and 90s. Back then a high performance flex wing was a pig to control in roll. Modern flex wings have come a long way since then and even some of the highest performing flex wings are quite roll responsive even in VG on mode. If you want roll controlled by moving surfaces you can just spend 3-4 times more and get an Atos VR rigid wing.
Stunning video, and the aircraft interests us greatly.... but can anyone tell me where to find that music/audio selection? Beautiful...
The concept is amazing!!
Wow great video, and good choice of music. Subscribed
Boys and their toys…. Always nice to see new stuff.
Is this Atos Wing likely to be offered for sale?
If so how much is the estimated price?
The video makes it seem like the motor is running most of the time.
Does the wind affect the direction of flight?
Very nice Felix, hope to see you next time in Füssen.
If I am to fly one of those, I will have to build one, since I have no way of buying one. Therefore I wonder how to I get the plans? (even if it takes me 20 years)
Stunning! I would just like to have aileron control rather than "spoileron".
Than you are better off with a real (electric motor-)glider like the Lak-17 FES: th-cam.com/video/vcPCLPyXOYE/w-d-xo.html
Can you roll (barrel or axial) this powered glider with spoilerons?
Considering that your typical HG pilot isn't so familiar with adverse yaw and that this is single-pilot operation only, spoilerons are probably the smartest move. And while I cannot say "how" effective, they're certainly going to do a lot more for you in a spin if you try and roll against it, and at least not likely make the problem worse because you aren't leveling them like you need to with ailerons.
They're also trying to meet a specific weight class of 120 kg empty. Ailerons require more structure and weight to accommodate the greater lift and twisting they provide: spoilerons simply reduce the lift and add a little bit of drag on one side.
All in all, for being friendlier to 3-axis neophytes, for not having to completely reinvent their proven wing designs (increasing market access and reducing cost,) I think spoilerons are a good compromise for the little bit of effeciency loss and less authority that ailerons might have added.
If that's what you desire, though, the Rupert Archaeopteryx is available... and the electric one will set you back $108K or more.😁
So ive really fallen inlove with this glider, any ideas on what it costs and the specs?
Does the wing fold back, same as the ATOS hang gliders?
What is the L/D range?
my rough calculation of l/d using the min sink@60kph is 25:1, maybe better
@@licencetoswill aren't min sink speeds and the L/D speeds different?
What is the formula that you are using?
very creative design
Is it planned to certify it as a "motorisierter Hängegleiter" according to the Austrian regulation as a direct competitor of the Swift or the Archaeopteryx? BR Dominik
Wonderful but wing loading is limiting this to hang glider capabilities. Also x wind safety and distance performance.
What engine does it use? It looks like a FES
price?
Nice. What L/D glide ratio do you think it gets? Curious how much the enclosed cockpit helps with that.
my rough calculation of l/d using the min sink@60kph is 25:1, maybe better
Press report from 2019 says 28:1
Can a classified ultralight have an enclosed cockpit!
25-1
Muito lindo 👏
Nice…. But what’s with all the video footage showing so much of what the power source can do. It’s sure is slick and capable, but we want to see soar ability especially when amongst others who are soaring for comparison.
The video was shot in autumn 🍂 No thermals 🤷♂️
@@avigator
Please pardon my insolence. It’s clearly noticeable it was not a prime T day. I get the same frustrating feeling when I which videos of costumes of there home built Sonex XENOS motorgliders ( gas power that is ) put- putting along under power on most of the flights! How’s a prospective costumer supposed to judge aircraft soaring performance when the engine is running.
Many questions on your design adaptation on the Atos….. like is the wings center section still it’s original folding connection mechanism? Will Atos or anyone finally design the same basic wing with out the added complexity of the mechanical fold process??? I would be most fine with a plug in wing sail plane concept !
I also feel that it’s present control process and configuration is more suited to weight shift and rather see it adapted on an electric trike. Watching how delicate yours looked on the ground opperations made me cringe ;-)
Are these available in the United States? What license would be required to fly one?
I'd think this might be able to sneak in as a Part 103 without FAA certification. It's roughly 120KG, I'd imagine the electric motor is more for climb than speed. Part 103 means it's a 'vehicle' not an airplane, doesn't require a license to fly in USA. The only problem is it doesn't really look like the tube/wire/dacron noise machines that part 103 appears to target, so you might get ramp checked to verify you're flying within part 103.
@@sammarmon3965 @Clever Name Too fast for part 103. It should qualify as a powered fixed-wing glider under AC 27.17-2A
Und die Flügel kann man auch für den Hangleiter benutzen, oder?
Nein. Die Flügen sind speziell an den Wing angepasst.
Einer der vielen Gründe, ist die deutlich höhere Lastanforderung, welche der Flügel aushalten muss.
@@airatos1019 Durch das Leitwerk sollte der Flügel auch mit deutlich weniger Schränken auskommen, so dass sich die Leistung auch noch mal verbessern sollte, oder?
Это волшебно!!!
Игорь привет!
Ролик просто шикарный! Хоть я и не фанат планёров, но что красиво то красиво.
@@deltaangar Это, да, коллега :) Я после Свифта стал фанатом мира малых скоростей. Свой кайф
Cute slick bird
Looks great! What glide ratio do you get out of it?
I don't know but I saw somebody say 30:1. Not sure about that.
@@montanalrl6622 my rough calculation of l/d using the min sink@60kph is 25:1, maybe better
Does it need a trailer for transport.? Does it have a ballistic recovery system.? Regards Wes
glider pilots wear their "ballistic recovery systems" on their back :)
It does have a ballistic recovery system. Mandatory for UL
Lindo vídeo!
Amazing! Are the wings convertible for use as HG as well?
it is a HG wing put on a glider fuselage
Not quite. Although they share a lot, they are not the same
@@airatos1019 I suppose total weight means stronger structure and changes at the root? But it would be amazing to have a 2 in 1 that works as a tandem HG wing.
@@ericoschmitt
not really feasible, IMO
@@BlueMax333 Agreed. The take off and landing speed are too great for foot launch and landing with this set up even without the added weight of the motor and fuselage. I really do LOVE this iteration though! It's fantastic and I really wish that one day I can afford the place to take off and land with a proper hanger to house it. I am working on that now and I am not particular in the ultralight I get. However, I hope that it can soar as I love finding thermals and getting a free ride from them.
Wow! Beautiful bird! Is it for sale yet?
unlikely!
How much money would I have to steal to buy one of these beauties?
$1000000.00 :o)
@@lesp315 a million?! Seriously, I was thinking $100k maybe a little more, that’s ridiculous
Even 100k sounds like too much
Definitely under 100k
How much is it
Super
It is already on sale?
How much is the price?
@@deltaangar Local aircraft magazines quote it around 56.000€
Does anyone know what the glide ratio is?
A few posts earlier said 25:1
а зачем на дозвуковых малых скоростях такая стреловидность ? Расположение максимальной толщины профиля по хорде также вызывают сомнения в компетенции строителей данного ЛА . Можно еще коричневую полосу на фюзеляже наклеить пленкой , чтобы качество было выше, обязательно коричневую .
Can’t wait to fly this ✈️👩🏻✈️
Really nice video
why put music? leave the real sound
Он великолепен!
Super fliaga
🇹🇷Good
In a truly civilized era this would be the main mean of transport as well as bicycles. No pollution just freedom.
Красиво.
I can hear your chair's noise and breathing....hhhh
Yeah, that's from he music xd
schöne spoiler-Sequenzen....; nicht mehr und nicht weniger..........
naja...