What the HELL is the Smurfette Principle?
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Am I going to regret Googling Sabie a week from now? Probably lol
ABSOLUTELY.
But why not google Eddie Lawrence instead?? 🙈💕🤩
Yes
Yep
Yep...
Ye
Even now I’m still shocked at how Sabie sounds exactly like a female version of you, like can we just appreciate Elsie’s vocal talent for a minute here
I thought it was a pitch shifted version of him
seriously im watching it and have to replay certain things she says just to hear it again and marvel in how perfect she talks like saber its genuinely really impressive
Her voice is approved by a turtle 👍
1000% Agreed. It blew me away the first time, and it still blows me away this time!
Down to the speech pattern and common phrases 😳
So apparently Smurfette's original depiction in the comics is actually based off a real Swedish lady named Pilt Carin Ersdotter, who actually was regarded as so attractive that there was a point where a mass of traffic jams and accidents were caused by people being distracted by her beauty, and she was actually arrested and put on trial for being distractingly beautiful. The judge, being a sane and reasonable person, ruled that being attractive isn't a crime and dropped all the charges.
Swede here and I've never heard about that '-'
EDIT: typos
@@steamboatwill3.367 *you don’t need to tell people why you edited your comment.*
I just read the wiki page and omg XD she was a an old age twitch streamer basically.
She lived in the 1800's bruh
@@mastersvante4200 so??
"Smurfette was Added to clear confusion that the Smurfs are gay"
Vanity smurf: and i took that personally
Great now you both made me start shipping them
I mean there were thousands of smurfs
Why would only one girl character mean every one isn’t gay. Especially vanity smurf.
Lol
@@mythos2490 vanity smirf isn’t gay. He’s reflection sexual.
@@taiahunter2600 he is basically Narcissus as a smurf
Inspector Gadget might have had only one female but she was the main character. She might not have been the title character, but she was ABSOLUTELY the main character.
In a way Penny, is the title character. "Inspector Gadget" is obviously a nickname/code name given to Penny's uncle because he does the work of a police inspector using gadgets. Since Penny does the same thing (only with different gadgets: her book and watch mostly) that nickname/code name can be given to her as well.
And in spector gadget definitely didn't make Penny the damsel in distress if anything she was the one who always had to save her uncle
@@AndreiPopescu no.
The purpose of the name is actually because that is what she calls her uncle.
She is a main character, but not the main title character.
Which one?
Yep
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: whoever voices Sabette fucking *nailed* all of Saber's vocal mannerisms, to an uncanny and even eerie degree.
Don't you dare call r63 Saber that name ever again.
@@TheKorenji Oh yeah it's Sabie I'm fucking stupid.
Her name is Elsie Lovelock!
@@bitratebenny2856
You’re not stupid my man.
Elsie Lovelock. She's a very talented voice actress.
I like how in "Scooby Doo" there were two girl characters and usually the ones that had to be saved by the others were Shaggy and Scooby
And then the trope of "danger-prone Daphne" comes out of nowhere in the lore like Daphne being the one that constantly needed saving was something that was supposed to be established?! I mean she might find the traps and trick doors, but she didn't get kidnapped or run into the monsters during a ridiculous chase scene like Shaggy and Scooby...
But strangely Shaggy is the most athletic of the group (probably the reason why he is the bait)
Also Velma was a kick ass detective who usually solved the case before anyone else
@@HexManiacQuinn THANK YOU! I always wondered where they got Daphne being the one captured because I remember it happening maybe twice in all the episodes I had seen but Shaggy and Scooby were caught WAY more often!
@@HexManiacQuinn exactly like tbh I watched the show ages after it came out and I remember Shaggy and Scooby being the damsels in distress more often then not, idk it’s weird
I always considered the Smurfette Principle applying only when the lone girl character's whole personality is being The Girl (tm), because there are many examples of shows and media with just one female character who's actually super dynamic and has a lot of personality, and I personally don't see a problem with that.
It's not just about any individual piece of media being well or poorly done, but the fact that it's a common enough phenomenon to have a name. And as the video briefly mentioned, there's still also the phenomenon that if there's more than one girl, the whole thing just becomes "girl's stuff".
The girl's personality being "girl" is its own problem that just happens to have a strong correlation and comes from the same thought processes
But that's not what Smurfette Principle means. If there's only one girl in a cast of guys, then she's still a Smurfette, it doesn't matter what her personality is or how much development she's got.
Saber: hello-
Sabie: I am fluent in over five hundred forms of **bonk**.
Hahahahahaha
PLSSSSSS-
"And has her personal cult on Russia."
You can't drop that on our laps and leave it there.
It actually exists and it all started in Nizhny Novgorod
*I don't need sleep! I need гребаные ответы*
Yeah, we need details.
NOW YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS, NACHO!
@IHasNoLife Productions Super colon brothers.
Elsie is such a good actress that she can both do a great American accent (yes, she's British), but she also perfectly replicates your speech patterns! Now THAT'S great acting!
I agree!
I actually thought Saber had simply manipulated his voice with some sort of software since she sounded JUST like him. Amazing!
Imagine doing an accent on top of someone’s mannerisms
@@rubyy.7374 I would either completely botch it or die.
I totally agree! She does such an amazing job!!
Ultimately, the best characters will always be the ones that inspire and relate to you regardless of what gender you are. You know, the ones who are up to more interesting stuff than whatever bathroom or section in the clothing store they hang out in.
I love the rottmnt plug. It destroyed April's damsel in distress role, and she became an absolute badass. Def, the best April out there
Oh gosh yes, that April didn’t take crap from anyone, which is why I adore her.
Oh tent also had a weird obsession with mutating April and urma
Their reasoning for adding Smurfette to make the Smurfs not look gay is literally Chris Chan logic lmao
It's also the reason Aunt Harriet was added to the silver age comics. Apparently, adding a fussy nanny to Bruce Wayne's staff means he and Robin can be gay...somehow.
When you say fussy nanny, I think Aunt Bea. When I think Aunt Bea, I imagine it's less likely for Bats and Birds to cross swords in her presence. Batman fights crime, Nanny fights gay. Bingo.
They're all siblings tho so...
@@cockycookie1 *HOME SWEET ALABAMA*
Although as a woman, about the whole smurfette dynamic thingamajig, I don't find it at all demeaning to women to do that, because maybe I grew up in an environment that didn't belittle women so much? Or made them equal? Perhaps that's the case, because it seems like everyone else my age is sensitive to this topic, and believes that the female character should be a little bit more significant, while I see it purely a circumstantial. Perhaps I'm so advanced, that I see women as just human beings that can be represented in any way, shape or form, and it's not really offensive? Except for of course, straight up sexualization, which that is bothersome to me of course. I don't know, just throwing in my two cents here
Sabie and Saber fighting in the beginning, is just perfect
How. How is it perfect?
Saber vs Sabie
yep
@Conker Wdym
@@furbait3442 so, we first get Saber and Sabie. Next, might be Saber the lion. uwu
And...the Leia costume most worn at Star Wars conventions is...the brass bikini slave girl on a leash.
Unh huh.
Admittedly she does strangle Jabba with that chain.
Don’t fuck with Leia the Hutt slayer
It gets a pass because she strangles Jabba with the chains he tried to force on her, which is pretty metal to be honest.
I doubt any of the cosplayers are wearing that costume because of the scene.
Ok when women wear revealing outfits in cosplay it's entirely for themselves for various reasons I can't speak on the reasons being a guy but from what I've heard I can safely say it's mostly because they like the character
Luxemburg be like: WOW STAR WARS
In Homestar Runner's defense, those were made by exactly three people, and Marzipan's voice actor could only really do the one voice.
I was about to say the same thing.
Can we just begin appreciating Elsie's voice acting for Sabie here? She sounds exactly like what one'd think when hearing the words "Female Saber"!
We did in the genderbending episode.
Who is she anyway?
@@jackalsniper4232 she's a singer, voice actress and TH-camr, she has the role of Charlie's singing voice from Hazbin Hotel.
@@nicoleflores2054 Wait, she's the singing voice of Charlie? She's very talented. I say it because I haven't seen Hazbin hotel for like a year and forgot things, but I'm waiting for the second episode.
Oh, and yeah: I also recently heard she's the singing voice for Charlie from Hazbin Hotel, which is cool to hear! She's super talented!
There should be a reversed trope called "The Tuxedo Mask Principle" XD
Off sailor moon.. you sir have good taste in anime
It is, and is even more prominent - especially now - but acknowledging it is just to politically incorrect...
smurfette wasn't put on trial for being seductive in the comic, but because she unknowingly admitted to being Gargamel's creation in front of the whole village.
Sabie’s VA absolutely nails the Saberspark tone of voice.
I think its just him with a voice changer
@@Frog276 is this a joke?
@@Critical0811 yeah cuz in the description she has a VA
@@Frog276 ?
it amazes me every time i watch the sabie vids 😂
I really wasn't expecting the video with Sabie being about the Smurfette Principal but it makes sense.
Lol 😂
The irony
You expected a rule 34 video too?
@@minedantaken1684 didn’t he make a video on a commercial a year ago about that lady with the pink hair
@@watchforever1724 Yeah. I believe it was called Erin Surance
Are we gona talk about how Sabie hit Saber with a bat and that's how she came in. Are we gona just ignore that?
It’s joke
Is it self-harm if it's an alternate version of yourself doing the harming?
Scooby-Doo is the best exception to the Smurfette Principle.
It's kinda funny that the "Smurfette Principle" is both pointing out the lack of female representation in American cartoons in the late80s/early90s, but at the same time the character herself is legit the most popular and most profitable character in the franchise.
Its almost like it isnt always a bad thing or something
@@stitchfinger7678 Saber did mention that its not always a bad thing, but think of it as representation as a whole, lets take it to a black character. A black character, if any, is the only 1 of their cast. They're usualy portrayed sterotypically sassy )if a woman) or stupid (if a man). Examples include Trixie from American Dragon, Tucker from Danny Phantom, Clevland from Family Guy And if 1 was from a horror movie, guess who dies first? And dont get me started on all the n-word jokes in mature stories. Being a black person with light skin, I was luck to at least be able to watch the white characters, but never a good femine black girl to relate too.
Now apply that to other POC and LGBT+, or women. Sterotypical depictions, pushed into the bg to be used by a straight or white or male or all of teh above mc. Only rarely had their been a show with them as mc, (Kim possible, MLaaTR, American Dragon, Samurai Jack) and it was STILL written in a sterotypical way by non-Poc/LGBT/female creators. So it still wasnt an accurate representation of the experience.
You're responding to a lot of comments defending the SP. But the SP doesnt just exclude a great variety of women, but other minorities too. They deserve as much representation as a boy or white boy. Just cause it ISNT always a bad thing is an EXCEPTION. None of these writters (afaik) had bad intentions, but its still exclusionary and hurts.
RETROACTIVE EDIT: This also applies to neurodivergent and physically disabled people too! Everyone desrves good rep.
@@eattheasslikeitsgrass5113 This is why we love Winx.
@@eattheasslikeitsgrass5113 You put that wonderfully :)
it is because she is a girl, no matter how poorly written or insignificant the character is, if it is a girl she will have fans. and since the smurfette is one of the only girls in the smurf universe she is certainly one of the most popular characters.
i love how MLP:FiM is the exact opposite of this, all female cast with the occasional big mac
I thought spike was the token male
Hey! nice to see you in the comments section didn't know you also watched saber spark :D
@@coffiebreak2236 yeah.
Discord definitely broke that mold whenever he was featured with how developed and interesting his character was, though.
Whoah wasn't expecting you here but aye
Isabella from Phineas and Ferb immediately comes to mind. Still love the show though.
Edit: But I guess Candace also has her big role in the show
In girl shows, it's the other way around. With a cast of mostly females, there's usually only one male (who serves a romantic and/or supporting role).
Although it's less common in shows for both genders to not be mostly male, I think it just has to do with female characters unfortunately being associated with "girl power" in-your-face feminism.
Also, I've sometimes thought to myself... "What exactly do girls like?"
Wth are you ever writting? Lol
Except for female focused shows the cast is almost full male
@@atanaZion He has a point, and that is expending, female characters (in children cartoons especally) bringing more fanfiction, better apply to children (for parents to be satisfied), better promote lgbt (sadly by forcing or are better accepted in society) and have more variety when drawing. And yes, that bad feminism. . .
I'm not so sure about modern shows but something I remember is that there's a whole separate group of males that serve as the romantic interests or just male versions of the main girl characters. For example winx, the old mlp and power puff girls (but I guess power puff girls is kinda an exception to this rule)
Well, I'd like to recommend some subliminals for knowing what girls like.
"What do girls like"
That's a very vague question.
What do we like in horror movie? In an action movie? In a romance movie?
Because a list of what someone likes can be just as ridiculously long as what they dislike.
Or do you mean what genre do we prefer? What characters are popular? (spoilers: it's more often than not the, for women, good looking ones 😉)
Smurfette: A tiny blue humanoid woman defined only by her gender
Female Titan: A huge red humanoid woman defined only by her gender
One could argue though that the most obvious trait to identify an individual in a group is the one you should go with. Smurfette and the Female titan are the only ones of their kind so there isn't really a need to be more specific, right? I see how this can be skewed as painting a flat female character, but this logic seems flawed to me, since they would obviously have to get more specific were there more than ONE female among the smurfs or titans.
i mean to be fair its the only one who *looks* like a woman at face value
I'm more of a Pieck guy anyways.
@@LatinaCreamQueen We all simp Pieck
Lmao, pastor of muppets
Master of puppets.
I see what you did there.
I just wanna say 1. if she included anime the list of smurphette principle following shows would triple and 2. just because a show follows this principle doesn't make it inherently bad and some shows guilty of it are really good like fruits baskets
I'd say that stuff like FB or Ouran Host club don't fall into this category because they're basically otome harems with the lone girl being the lead with a potential pick in the boys. There the character relationships are the main focus, unlike in most comedy or action shows.
18:30 - I'm glad you put some nuance here. _Homestar Runner_ , for instance, only has the one female character not for lack of trying, but because Missy couldn't do other voices and they wanted to keep everything in-house.
My favorite subversion of the smurffette principle is Barbie Life in the Dream House. Ken is the emotional support boy and he hilariously takes pride in being Barbie's simp 😭
That show is too smart for its own good.
I need to watch that now, that sounds great!
Ken sounds like me when i was 0 to 18 years old.
I am not really a fan of Barbie, but Ken is the best part.
@@kristalgic1534 I fully recommend it. It's surprisingly well written. I went into it with the same dread I had with the likes of Sonic Boom and Sofia the First only to be knocked for a loop when I saw that they were actual good shows instead of the minimum effort I see almost everywhere else. And I don't have to put up with that "but my show is so much more mature" whining that the teenage/young adult groups are obsessed with for...whatever the reason is. I think I missed that proverbial train when I was 14.
In Gargoyles defense the limited amount of female characters was kind of intentional to make it apparent how doomed the species is.
I can give Elise and April the excuse of being the ones to introduce the monster into the human world. And he did at least include Demona, a really well developed character that warns against vegenace. And the romance between Fox and Xanatos was villianously cute (honestly probably 1 of the things that made me bi, though fox does need some saving)
Honestly my biggest issue with Greg Wiseman work comes from Spectacular spiderman. Well written, yes. Good female representation, no. Most of the girls are in love with Peter and are essentially his harem. Its annoying how they constantly fawn over him and try to help another girl get w/ him even though the have feelings themselves. So it doesnt pass the Bacdel test. Sexist? No. But cliche and appealing to a male power fantasy,? Yeah.
Guess they went into "a hole is a hole" mode
@@eattheasslikeitsgrass5113 that was my one complaint with spectacular as well. The show actually did a good job making me like Liz Allen; and then she’s thrown in the trash because wiseman incessantly shipped Peter and Gwen at the detriment of more interesting relationships.
Also in hindsight; this might be just be an unspoken problem in Spider-Man in general.
Though it has to be said I think he avoided the problem with Young Justice.
And doesn't Gargoyles have two main female characters anyway?
@@eattheasslikeitsgrass5113 i mean, is appealing to the "male power fantasy" even a bad thing? To my knowledge most action shows back in the day were made for the boys demographic
Why is the joke "strong female character punches male character disagreeing with her" so popular? Like, it's not even funny and doesn't paint woman in this situation as strong and likeable. She comes out as a complete douchie, nothing more :(
...but I laughed so hard over "...you're done?" at saber's interruption
Kinda gotta agree. Abuse shouldn't really be funny against anyone.
@GhostyGummy ) not "everyone" unfortunately :(
Exactly like I never understood why that trope is so popular it always ends up with me disliking that female character and seeing them as a complete douchebag like seriously you don’t have to be attacking the male characters to prove that your strong cause god forbid if the gender roles were reversed for that trope
It's been used in slapstick and as a "joke" between two guys for years to punch the "annoying" character to shut them up. Back then no one cared and it's now viewed as a problem because it's seen through the lense of gender.
Which means it either was never funny and people just never cared to contemplate further because "men are just naturally agressive" so it's ok
OR its not actually a problem but is persieved as one because "women being agressive is too woke".
Whatever it is I don't know either, but something doesn't add up.
@@lexa2310 yeah, i agree with you, there is usually these two reasons to be concerned, as you said, you always see them clearly when some article or video discusses the "problem"; and slapstick is based on non serious violence. but i just don't like these jokes at all, personally, so i expressed my own discomfort.
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I didn't expect that, but as a russian I confirm. We do have a cult dedicated to this character
Sabie : * beats Saber with a bat *
Me : * immediately gets an ad for painkillers *
I chuckled like an idiot at that, well done. XD
same ad
xD
My only quibble w/it was how jarring I found it. I mean, Sabes' avatars are very cartoony & limited in actual action. Clipping a clean, detailed real object into it just felt...odd to me.
Well, dude had it coming! Sabie's Smurfette gimmick felt a bit tacky.
Oh, BTW, Peyo & Hanna Barbera actually cought onto the Smurfette Principle late in the 1st run. They introduced a tribe of "wildling" Smurfs & there was at least 1 female Smurf child in the group. Just sayin'...👍
I really like how Sabie mispronounces as many words as Saber does, adds a bit of consistency
XD
Lul
What are the mispronounciations? I'm English so I may not be picking it up, so it would be interesting to know.
Her cadence is so on-brand that you could be excused for thinking he just used software to pitch shift his voice.
@@thegamebase9424 I don't think it's really mispronunciation, I think it's his accent/dialect.
I do like how she does it with the same words though, considering she's trying to reflect the character of Saberspark (but as a lady being)
This just unearthed one of my most bizarre memories of my younger days in High school. Loving to read fan-fiction, but at the same time, Learning about The Lord Of The Flies...Yep You know where this is going. Fan fictions based on a story of all boys, but always with either the two known options. One Female Oc Self-Insert, or a story where it's just the plot itself, but with a Girl's Choir group that also crashed onto the Island. Either all the Dudes fall for this one girl, or All dudes live and get paired with every single girl. Man those times were wild.
I like Smurfette. She is one of my favorite Smurf characters. No matter what the principle or people say about her, I will like her because to me, she goes beyond being just the "girl" character. She is not always the damsel in destress (almost all of the Smurfs have been in that role more than once), she is outspoken, she is kind to almost everyone, she is very empathetic, and she is very brave and cunning when she needs to be. Also, she is not afraid to express herself or her interests despite being in a village full of males. Any other person might feel like they have to conform to the interests and habits of the other inhabitants to fit in, but Smurfette continues to garden and accessorize because she is not afraid to do what she likes. When she does her thing, it is not because she is the "girl" character of the show, it is because she is Smurfette and she likes to do it. And that is why I like her.
An You are very much right! The whole "smurfette principle" is just based on cherry picking, and even in Smurf case the problem if anything is rather the other way around...
Smurfette i also adore because she is a strong female character, who stands up for others,(I like how she stood up for clumsy in the original series), who stands up for herself and what she likes, and she does care about everyone around her, whether they be guys or girls. And the guys respect her for who she is. I feel like all female characters should learn from smurfette.
Holy shit, even Saber's speech patterns were imitated perfectly. goddamn, that's nice
I no expert, but it's definitely a filter or something
@@rioscardot a filter over Elsie's voice to make it sound more like Saber's?
@@rioscardot nah, it's elsie. The fact she imitated his method of speech in the reviews so well is what's also impressive.
She is a voice actor !! (The one voicing Sabie)
"Could you imagine haveing one girl character in a group of guys that provides as only a romantic interest or support?"
Me, who is the only girl in my close friend group that includes my boyfriend: Maybe I am the smurfette principal
Bruh same
"Dramatic Music* Dum Dum Dum
Its an ACTUAL dynamic though. Haha.
@@doth2471 That's called Loud House.
No shhhh you're runing the narrative!
I think the real point of the "Bechdel Test" is to become aware of how rarely it's fulfilled in media in general, not to judge any particular show or movie specifically. As you pointed out, a show can have excellent female characters and "fail" the test, or it can have crappy, shallow female characters and "pass." What's more useful is to take note that such a trivial, simple thing regarding female representation in media is remarkably difficult to find -- whereas the equivalent with male characters is comically easy to find.
Also, if the inclusion of Smurfette was to allay fears that the smurfs were gay, then by that logic doesn't that imply that all the smurfs are fucking her? Is that what they wanted viewers to think?
Did they straight up forget the brown m&m who is canonically married to green?
i love how Elsie captures your voice perfectly, Sabie is not any girl, she actually has the same voice inflexions and patterns as you do, it's so trippy to hear it
She has useless sjw takes on old cartoons. Dumb pointless revisionism. And what the hell is wrong with April being a damsel in distress. for f sake every enemy was either a Ninja or a dangerous monster/mutant. It would make sense for warrior boys to save a normal human woman. Saberspark need to find his balls and stop drinking soy.
especially around the 19:00 mark!
@@MrConredsX Dude, wrong comment.
@@MrConredsX embarassing
@@MrConredsX Dude. tf is wrong with you?
To be fair to Ratatouille it did address the gender disparity in the movie
Linguini : Listen, I just want you to know how honored I am to be studying under such a...
Colette : [pins Linguini's sleeve with a knife] No, you listen! I just want you to know exactly who you are dealing with! How many women do you see in this kitchen?
Linguini : Well, I uh...
Colette : [pins Linguini's sleeve with another knife] Only me. Why do you think that is? Because haute cuisine is an antiquated hierarchy built upon rules written by stupid, old, *men*. Rules designed to make it impossible for women to enter this world. But still I'm here! How did this happen?
Linguini : Well because, because you...
Colette : [pins Linguini's sleeve with a third knife] Because I am the toughest cook in this kitchen! I have worked too hard for too long to get here, and I am *not* going to jeopardize it for some garbage boy who got lucky! Got it?
[she sweeps the knives off Linguini's arm and he falls to the floor]
Such a badass scene in that film.
She would definitely peg Linguini. I wish I was at his place rn 😍😍😍
@@aha.403
I don't blame you tbh 😳
@@bobtheball5384 With that face and attitude of hers? I don't think anyone will disagree 😩😩
Hands down aside from the Jazz scene depicting the flavor that was my favorite scene in the whole movie!
3:42 at the time, Sesame Street had Alice Snufflupagus, Prairie Dawn, Mary Monster, Juliet, Ruby, and Rosita (who debuted in 1991). You could also argue Meryl Sheep, who had her last appearance the previous year.
In conclusion: don't disrespect the Street
I am glad they put in some of those.
I only remember Grover, Ernie, Bert, Count, Big Bird, Grouch and Snuffluffigus - all male. And I never gave a single thought about it. Just passively accepting whatever they h* they gave to us.
Plenty of female representation in Play School though, and those two went hand in hand. Jemima. Noni. Cr*... my memory... cr*...
When I clicked on this, I was super surprised to hear how level headed Sabie's logic was
It's very easy to make a topic like this inherently feel one-sided
But I actively agree and see completely where she is coming from, and I don't feel like a demon for it
Great show, absolutely worth the watch!
I just realized Sabie has 5 fingers...and Saber has 4...I only look for the most important things
Duh only superior beings have 5 fingers
A superior being would have 6
I am gald that I am not the only one who noticed it.
I thought something looked off about her
5 finger pandering.
Thanks so much for having me back for this!! Sorry if my American accent missed on a few words 🤣 I had so much fun!! ❤️
Wait you ain't American?
You did amazing! You are very talented at voice acting!
Its_Me_Romano _ she's British, if I remember correctly....if not, I'm sorry Elsie.
@@Its_Me_Romano You made me read every comment after in a southern accent my guy.
You do have a point with the smurffet principle, females don’t typically have major rolls in the story when the cast is male dominated, there are exceptions but they are rare.
Male characters: "Okay, let's give each character their own interests, personal life and personality"
Female character: "Okay, this one's personality is girl."
Infamously, Transformers was guilty of this on multiple levels: Arcee and Elita-One were the only major female characters, only Arcee showed up with any regularity, and they NEVER MADE AN ARCEE OR ELITA-ONE TOY FOR DECADES. I think there was a mock-up of Arcee made in Japan, but I don't think it was ever released. It took literal decades to get femme Transformers, and now the IDW Transformers comics actually have tons of great femme characters. I recommend the comics, for sure!
Cartoon of transformers actually got good characters who were female but she was cyborg I cannot remember what time came out but was really good..
"last thing I need is a tail and ears"
Rule 34 artists : "write that down write that down"
Im just going to leave a comment here
Furries: Wait... he doesn't have one?
Rule 34 artists: Too late!
Well you definitely want to have ears. You don't want to be deaf, right? Do you mean cat ears?
I wonder what the probability of genetic engineering bringing about designer babies with cat ears and tails, before a renegade person with genetic engineering knowledge designs a doomsday virus that wipes out humanity first. I'm thinking low.
@@medexamtoolsdotcom low probability of that.
I love the fact that Sabie has the ability of immediately materializing a bat and bonking someone with it
Do you own the skies, Viper?
Wonder if you would say if the rules was changed.
Northstar go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
@@zakanyimen yes...? If a character says something dumb, they definitely deserve a bonk. Don't be silly.
For some reason I didn't like the joke of Sabie beating up Saber that much. Ok, I actually laughed at first, but then I thought, wait, would people be laughing if Saber were the one beating Sabie?...
2:42 , that screm was priceless
I remember that my characters/ocs were mostly, boys meanwhile there was only one girl, she had like no personality, she was just there 😔👊
I feel like I was trained by media to view the world this way as a kid. Even now in my thirties as a writer I find it really hard to write decent female characters because of this brainwashing and our culture and history's general dismissal and hiding of women and female roles. We're basically trained to believe women's personality is 'woman' and that animals, hobbies, colors etc. are all gendered and women get the soft and boring ones. I struggle to make women characters cool because cool women end up being labeled as bossy or bitchy and always unlikeable. There's the prevailing attitude, even in me, that men are exciting drivers of plots and get to go around freely doing whatever they want and having any personality trait no matter how abrasive and still be likeable. Like women are just there to support the males. And I feel like as a woman I should know full well about how cool women are, but it still feels like there's nothing to DO with them, especially in light of how restricted women are and always have been by male aggression in the real world. It's totally untrue that women are not just as much people as men, but still hard to fight this internalized coding, and way too many people are happy to not question it and teach their girls and boys the same thing like it's fact and not a concerted campaign of marginalization and erasure. Every girl I played with growing up wanted to be a male character because they were the ones that were cool and did things. Even when we were just pretending to be normal animals we often specified we were male because that meant we were better somehow. It makes me mad.
I was like this but soon enough I said "I need to make some BOYS HERE" and then boom. Now I have both of them (not equal quantity) and love them
@@martletkay I mean, it's actually stupidly easy to write a woman: make a human being with a given personality, a past that influenced their traits, and hopes & fears that result from that past. Basically, _exactly the same as guys._
Hint: See them first as *characters.*
I think the issue of not knowing how to write a race or gender just comes from a fear of messing up what you don't relate to. But if you break them down to their past, wants and needs like I just did, it becomes easier. Putting yourself in their shoes helps too. I also don't think societal brainwashing is to blame; if you're a good writer, you're a good writer.
Also, when it comes to cool females, Akita comes to mind. The MC in Ghost In The Shell too. Ripley from "Alien" as well. Sarah Conner is another. And don't forget Kill Bill's MC. All of these women were created in the past, and they are loved by the men who watched them. Not solely bc they were attractive but bc they're awesome characters. It goes to show that you CAN make females cool and adored, *if you see them first as characters.* That's my take.
Huh.. a bit of the opposite for me, I actually have more female characters than male characters. Not that I only have one male character but it's harder for me to create male characters than female characters. I always thought it was because, "I'm a girl my self, so I know what I want to see portrayed in the girls" and also because I suck at drawing male bodies.
Or if they aren't there simply to exist as "girl", the media makes a point of accentuating that she is "tomboyish" and "one of the guys"
Tomboy vs. girly girl is the evolution of the Smurfette Principle. Literally. Later on in the Smurfs series, a second female Smurf is created - Sassette the tomboy.
@@pyrrhicvictoly I feel like the "one of the guys" trope also arose from the idea that is still prevalent today that anything that is targetted towards teenage girls is "bad taste" and problematic. Remember when it was popular for grown adults to trash on Twilight? A book which is clearly not designed for adults to enjoy?
@@floofzykitty5072 The history of it is as long as misogyny in literature, and it's like Katha said: boys are individuals, girls are types. These stories are told from a male POV, so when there is one girl she's "THE girl". When there are two, there needs to be contrast so it's tomboy and girly girl, blonde and brunette, rich and poor, etc. If color-coded, the original girl is pink, the second girl is yellow or purple. Often the girls will compete for male attention, but even if they're on friendly terms it's rare for them to have scenes together where they just do their own thing. Some producers of this type of media, when confronted, even justified it with "men don't pay attention when women are talking".
I get what you're saying about teenage girls and anything they like being labeled as cringe. Boy bands might be a better example. Teen girls (and plenty of adult women too) are often drawn toward more gentle/androgynous expressions of masculinity, and those dudes who think you have to be "alpha" to get girls are very seriously threatened by the idea.
In regards to Twilight, yeah there was a period when the critics focused on "sparkling vampires" and basically just crapped on Edward being too pretty/sensitive. However, Twilight's kind of complicated beyond that. There really is a lot of legitimate criticism about the way it romanticizes abusive relationships and the way indigenous people are portrayed. I also don't agree that Twilight was clearly not designed for adults to enjoy. Twilight began as Buffy fanfiction, and a lot of its tropes are just fanfic tropes. The army of middle aged moms who got into Twilight isn't coincidental. Vampire romance fanfic appeals to all ages, lol.
@@pyrrhicvictoly I just watched videos explaining these tropes by a channel called 'The Take', and damn these tropes sure have a long ass history.
Don't forget the fact that the tomboy/cool girl is always seen as an upgrade from the girly girl. It's weird because the 'cool girl' is mostly just a fantasy created by male writers- saying that a woman must always like the same things as them while being hot af (Ofc if you're not hot, even if you like non-girly stuff, you're not considered a 'cool girl' apparently lmaoo). The trope also sees anything 'girly' as disgusting which sounds misogynistic af tbh.
I mean,, as a girl, it's fine to like girly stuff. It's also chill to not like them. But it's weird how there so many stories wherein "being a girl" and "not being like other girls" are the only personality traits that female characters have lol
If the show was 50/50 males and females, then where is the interest going to go?
The way she imitated Saber’s speech patterns is actually so damn impressive
It could be because she's a voice actor! She voices Charlie from hazbin Hotel aswell, and I agree! It's extremely impressive
@@andiepando7188 wait...she voices...FR?
Video at 14:09: "do not pass..."
My brain: "You shall not pass!"
I'm sorry, I'll see myself out
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Meta moment; Lol I almost have the reverse in my show, most of my characters are women, and most of them are bisexual.
Because it’s what I understand.
That's fantastic!
There's not enough of your stuff out there, go for it! :)
@@bluestar4408 meta moment; barely; 99% is pass by fandom content
Sabie is the strongest character in the Saber universe. She can summon baseball bats and control them with her mind.
*BONK*
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in my opinion, of course...
Elsie's perfect capturing of Saber's inflection while having her own quirks is what makes Sabie an amazing genderflip counterpart.
I legitimately thought this was audio trickery, feminizing Saber’s voice. That’s how good it is.
It's so uncanny it's kind of annoying.
Sabi:Last thing I need is a tail and ears.
Me: So you don't need ears?
Her:What did you say?
Me:Wait a minute...
I was waiting for someone to bring this up
I remember the tmnt from the 90's- ish where they where costume characters ( I can't tell if they were robots or in costumes ) where they had a girl turtle named venis and she had a terquoise mask. I don't remember anything else about her though.
Sabie’s back, and everyone is so uncomfortably excited
*virginity is cool, stay pure*
@@diskdem0n Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.
@@diskdem0n ace vibes
I never thought it would happen
@cow this sentence combined with your pfp and name feels so depressed and i dont know why
Well I think ratatouille plays it well, there is a scene were coulette literally rants to Linguini about how hard it is for a woman to get into a restaurant and how the hierarchy was lead by “stupid old men”.
But then you have the possible problem that it could read to the audience that "of course the girl talks about feminism, her personality trait is girl"
@@twilight3272 trust me working in a kitchen aint easy, and there do exist very gross individuals in the industry (i work eith 3 of them) so anyone whos experienced work in any form kf proffesional kitchen knows she aint lying
@@pablocruz5613
Hey if you win you win.
@@pablocruz5613 True, but not everyone watching the movie _has_ worked in a kitchen. It's more about the *why* she's saying something, not really the content beyond a surface level when trying to convey a character generally to a wide audience.
It really is eye-opening to learn that, even in a world where women have always been stereotyped as being the ones who do the cooking, _it's still hard for them to get a job doing it._
I think Trish Una is a good example of the smurfette principle because of her function in the story of golden wind but I feel like her role as that of the damsel in distress isn't inherently sexist because in the background you can see her struggle fitting into the group and they give her her own story arc through the background of the whole part
The Lord Of The Rings' novels were published in the 1950s, so having strong female characters was ahead of the time. To call TLOTR movies falling under the Smurfette principle is unfair.
another thing i noticed, especially with nonhuman characters, is that the female character(s) are often way more human-like. while the boys are basically just animals, the girls are almost always skinny, with actual hair (rather than just tufts of fur on the head) and makeup.
World of Wacraft in a nutshell.
Do people want to see fat characters in their shows though? Just like McDonald's and other fast food places only show skinny, good-looking people eating their food.
@@edwardgaines6561 ?
I mean, sexual dimorphism is a thing in the real world and on many species.
Still weird, but most likely done because you can't have ugly female characters in fiction...
@@DonVigaDeFierro yeah but its normally the males who have all the spectical, not the females of the species
I like how Saber and Sabie fight like twins
Agreed, and it's great
Saberspark forgot to take his pills
Maybe they are twins
@horrendous SwEeT hOmE aLaBaMa
When it comes to television, I think you're always going to see kids shows targeting one demographic or the other because they still rely heavily on toy advertising (even if the commercials are for toys unrelated to the show) and boys and girls tend to have different tastes in toys. I've heard that one of the problems Young Justice had was that it's audience was too split and that made it less lucrative to advertisers. Shows produced for ad-free streaming platforms obviously won't have this problem.
I was waiting for you to talk about the bechdel test! This is a really cool video.
TMNT was originally created as a joke. I.e. take one of the slowest creatures on the planet and turn it into something fast like a ninja. Unexpected success.
Wait..jokes?
Tmnt was also originally a parody of dardevil
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@@MASTEROFEVIL thanks
The same principle is how sonic was made
Sabie and Saber have so much sibling energy. Actually without the context of the genderbending episode they probably would just be siblings.
Yeah Hey saber said it was gonna be a one time thing
And look what happened!
I don’t really like genderbending in general because of some of the implications of gender expression and identity, but Sabie and Saber are kinda cute with the sibling energy.
9:28 LOL the turtles are so tiny, and she's a giant among them.
Love how one show you listed had the characters dressed like scooby doo, which is sort of the opposite of the lone girl trope, though they are all sterotypes which mix together quite well.
Fun fact:
The writers made shaggy have a girl friend named after a drug in one movie.
I love how Elsie nailed Saber's tones of speech when doing videos let's appreciate that
For real! If you just imagine Saber speaking while she is, it’s a perfect matchup!
exactly!! she's literally got his voice inflections and the way he speaks down the a T!!
I always do. She's the MVP.
Its terrifying that sabie has the same inflections in her voice as saber
Its really well done but I agree its kinda scary
Tru
I think it's fucking hilarious. If she's _not_ doing it on purpose, then it's even better
It’s startling once you start hearing it
Elsie Lovelock is scarily good at mimicking existing voices.
I like how they added the green m&m
I totally believe girls should have a strong character to watch on tv without a doubt
But I also feel like a girl doesn’t have to watch a show all about girls, if there is a show with all boys the girl watches, that shouldn’t really be a problem
And on another note I feel like there isn’t anything wrong with having a female character that loves boys and pink and other girly things. the girl character doesn’t always have to be a strong tough warrior, having a pink girly character can be just as relatable or important
"[Gadget] also has her own personal cult in Russia"
You can't just drop that bombshell and continue on like it never happened, what the fuck
You didn't know? It was pretty well known lol look it up on TH-cam or Google. Gadget is suuuuuper popular in Russia
It isn't exactly new tho
Gadget cult in Russia. Ned Flanders cult in the UK. Some fandoms are just weird.
Lol this one has been around a long time.
Yes. It's true. The cult has existed for decades.
"I don't make the rules..."
"YES, you DO!"
We hit the ground running, I see.
Didn’t make sense not live for fun.
Your brain gets smart but your head gets dumb.
2021 me: I would never do the smurfette principal
2022 me rewatching the video: I'm literally doing the smurfette principal with my own characters
In this one smurf cartoon episode, papa smurf shows genuine interest in smurfet, and works out the whole episode. He had dumbbells and everything; I found the episode on netflix 💀
Is it sad that my favorite animated female character as a kid was Mandy from "The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy"? She was girly, but also sick of everyone else being so stupid and more than able to carry her own.
Mandy was girly?
@@ligtningdog6399 yes, she had very small and rare moments where her more nurturing side would leak out and she always wore Pink despite having a more gothic attitude.
@@CainChaosis she also had her insanely pink and girly room; i liked Mandy's duality a lot, her having the interests/aesthetic of a girly girl but being the exact opposite in terms of her personality. To the point some characters that didn't know her , automatically assumed she was a boy because of it.
@@ligtningdog6399 Yes she was. She didn't particularly hate all girly things she was just deadpan.
@@iluvsonicxshadow I had completely forgot about her room, she was great with how her mood and comments never gave a clue that she loved girly things.
"I think we can all have a healthy discussion here"
On the internet? good luck fam!!
Ladies and gentlemen, The Female Counterpart of Saber is back and is going to steal his own channel.
As a hobby writer myself, i find that its hard to write characters of the opposite gender. I find it hard to nail those little nuances between the two, at leas without it being overdone. The smurfette principle is fascinating to me, truly.
I've started trying to voice act when playing RPG's recently, mostly just to amuse myself, and getting female voices and mannerisms down. There is one Lady Pirate Captain who is practically impossible.
It's to be expected, I guess.
Tons of female writers did it and wrote male characters. Just write a character that is female or a character that is male. Unless the society your character grows up in has extremely gendered expectations you don't have to worry too much about a character not being "female" or "male" enough.
Ive got to Shattered Glass Starscream that i sound like Chris Latta i can do Sonata Adagio and Aria too
Althought my voice îs closet to Kazumi Evans John Simm Sylvester Mccoy Keanu Reeves
Even Maryke Hendriske and Diana Kaarina
People: “we want sabie”
Saber: *puts sabie in a video*
People: “NoT eNoUgH”
@the haha funny king too late
It's her chanel now.
*Breaks coffee mug*
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I like groups like the one in "Scooby-Doo" : the cool guy, the cool girl, the funny guy, the nerdy girl and the pet.
perfectly balanced, as all things should be
And they also gave the girls real, like able personalities besides “am girl”
@@warlocket5326 I always felt like Fred and Daphne didn't really have personalities in the original show.
@@chadschmaltz9790 yeah, but it is nice that they gave them one in the newer shows like mystery incorporated
@@chadschmaltz9790 well that just shows it wasn't a gender-specific issue then
6:03 NOT THE GREEN M&M
Very good perspective that needed to be put into the public eye ! You need to have her on the show more.
Also no mention of Totally Spies ? ;)
Fun Fact Tom Ascheim (President of Cartoon Network and Boomerang) stated that "Girls tend to age out of Animation as late kids and then come back into it as adults, while Boys tend to not leave Animation at all. Boys have always been a safe medium for Cartoons." But he's trying to also give CN a girl focus.
Incredibly fascinating info you got there... any links to follow up on?
This is exactly what happened to me. There's this weird standard where girls have to start "acting mature" and back in the day at least, cartoons were for kids. So basically if you were a girl who liked cartoons you were considered an inmature baby, but if you were a boy who liked cartoons it was cool.
I think this is not something inherent to girls, but just part of the expectations placed on them, like someone else mentioned as well as the lack of engaging content for them.
It's obviously not true because I only liked cartoons more and more as I got older. Then again, I never cared for social expectations or fitting in.
Sexist stereotypes really piss me off. If you can observe a change like that, surely you can also see it's because of the very stereotypes you continue to push on girls. Given the option to just be themselves, a girl who likes cartoons a hell of a lot as a child will continue to as a teen and as an adult.
Part of why is because of the very few shows that are successful and are aimed at teens, the other because of the Smurfette Principle and just generally aiming everything at boys (despite girls typically getting toy companies more money because 'girl toys' are more collectable).
@@beththedarkmage3359 you don't have to be so feminist, geez mate, Its a majority study not a personal survey, it means a majority of girls not all girls, you like Cartoons thats great, they are saying most Girls not all girls. They're are very few teenage shows especially for boys in nower days becquse of this whole thing mate.
Sabie's imitation of saber's speaking style was like...really good
Yes
Great video.
Is there a lesser form of Smurfette Principle where it's one female character per side (one good, one evil) or if you have a cast of characters so large the male/female ratio is about that of shows that do have Smurfette Principle? Specifically, I'm thinking of the GIJoe cartoon with dozens of Joes but only a handful of Janes.
You can probably try tv tropes to find that, but what came to mind for me was the ‘dark action girl’
And when the two sides are fighting, the girls must fight each other only
I think Hanna Barbera cartoons were the exception.
Sabie bonking Saber on the head is just **chef's kiss**
Would be funny the other way around.
*BONK*
😂😂
Doesn't Bonking mean something else?? ;)
Is the opposite the “spike principle”, one lone male dragon in a show of ponies
I feel they very often tend to be midgets in that case.
nah that’s just “the optimal friend group ratio”
In tv tropes they call it The One Guy
That's funny, I thought up the same term during the video. Although to be fair, it doesn't work too well because spike is often absent from a lot of the 6's adventures
The brother in Non Non Biyori. :p
Omg...street sharks! I totally forgot about that cartoon 😂.
Great episode.
im glad sabie got to do this episode!!
Pinky the ghost was the OG smurfette, except she actually had personality and didn’t serve any of the guys, that’s why I like the ghosts.
The original girl boss
How do you know she didn't "serve" any of the guys lol
@@osets2117 Yeah, sadly there is r34
I always assumed Pinky was a guy because they had no secondary female traits such as eyelashes or a bow
Also I’d like to add that one of the only girl characters in the game, Ms. Pac-Man, was pretty feminine looking. While Pinky’s only significant difference to the other ghosts was their colour. Personally I think Pinky was originally meant to be a boy, but that’s just me.