Thank you so much for featuring me in this video! I tried my best to give all the good juicy details about PvP and the community. PvP in this game can be a lot of fun but so many people still need to give it a try. GL HF ^_^
I noticed you reaching out to experts in their fields like this and the deep dungeon and think it is a really cool thing. I love hearing these perspectives. :)
I wish pvp had more of a tutorial, since they totally change how your skills work, and different modes have objectives you need to know, but they dont tell you anything up front. You have to ask or look up guides.
I love how earlier today I was looking at PvP stuff and wondering if I should try and it and bam - this video comes out! Thank you Zepla, you're the best!
I think it's about as good as it can get honestly, the way FFXIV's combat works and with things like server ticks, it's never going to be as responsive as a game like WoW or BDO. This doesn't mean pvp in FFXIV can't be fun, it's just kinda always going to be relegated to a side activity, instead of a potentially primary way of playing the game like in WoW.
PvP has been one of the most positive experiences I've had with FFXIV! As someone who hasn't yet reached Shadowbringers endgame content, it's nice to have accessible, competitive challenges like the PvP modes or some Gold Saucer content like Lord of Verminion Tournaments! Honestly, I just love the variety of experiences available in the game.
It's not, and as a newer player who just recently tried it, I wish people who don't like it/meme on it didn't tell people it's not worth their time so they can come to their own conclusion. I'm sure many new players would try it and enjoy it if not for that, and it perpetuates the modes lack of consistent players.
Ooh! I wonder if this will help boost the Rival Wings event going on this weekend. Saturday, the 14th, 5PM (PDT), Rival Wings playlist. They're giving away a Cruise mount on their Discord for those interested. Thanks for bringing some attention and love to PvP Zepla.
Whether you like PVP or not, it’s a shame Brian Ricardo is not seen as a pillar of the ffxiv community like some of the other creators. Mad Respect to him and his peers.
Thanks fot featuring Brian in the video! He deserve it! He's good with pvp knowledge. Also no problem with using some clips from the Chicken Run event vid I made! Thanks for linking it in the video description! Goodluck and have to anyone who's trying or going to play PvP!
i think having an actual tutorial mode for the pvp modes would be really nice. i attempted frontlines for shits and giggles once and was like I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IM SUPPOSED TO BE DOING lmao. I still have NO clue lmao It would really help making them feel less overwhelming. I didnt know all of my skills would be different and my hotbars were such a mess.
Love how Zep's so passionate about things. The kinda gal who would tackle the gates of Hell with a bucket of water if she thought that was the right thing to do.
My biggest complaint with pvp as a new player with interest in it is that there's nothing telling you what the objective is/what you're supposed to be doing. I have a lot of fun playing my daily frontline, but I barely have a clue as to what you're supposed to be doing to score points after about 30 or so runs of it. My best guess is you're supposed to fight over nodes and then occupy them lol. It's a lot of fun to fight against other players, especially once you get your sea legs with the pvp hotbar, but the fact that almost everyone has no clue what they're actually supposed to be doing is limiting the potential of the game modes. I also queued for the feast once and then never again because the queue time was almost an hour long and, once again, I had no idea what I was supposed to be doing. Even something like a super quick message that flashes on your screen that says "Capture the nodes!" or something before the players are released into the field would be enough.
I think there's a npc on yougrand company that talks about frontline and the goblin at wolves den does for rival wings. Also on the lodestone. But yeah something during the matches could help a little bit
the Feast has been surprisingly fun for me. I started in Season 18 with low expectations and had an absolute BLAST learning it, even making it into the T100 on my very first season!
Coming over from Asmonds videos as well as Allcraft. Definitely subbing, your content is super enjoyable. I'm glad I was introduced to your content from the other videos 👍👍
I actually like the PvP in 14. I like that they balance PvE and PvP separately. Honestly wish the Feast rewards were easier to get. Top 100 is crazy, especially if more people start playing.
Id prefer if they did divisions, and did the top 100 thing as a separate reward. Being top 100 and having its own reward is amazing, but I wished it just had a trinkle bit more.
@@hellfrozenphoenix13 @Lordoftheapes79 Honestly, the issue here I think is more engagement/participation, are there enough players on each data center to warrant a larger prize pool?
@@ckwi2245 if say yes, personally. Eith the large influx of new players, PvP will become more populated. Although, that does depend on how many of the new players pick up the PvP.
I mean, it's fun because nobody cares, if they actually had put effort into balancing the PVP people would start caring because then it would be competitive. I think it's fine being horrible. You will never see an Esport FF14 pvp match for a reason...
Been playing 7 years and I did PvP a long time ago for a set of the Late Allagan gear of aiming (SICK Machinist outfit) and the mount. And also I got one of the Garo mounts before they went away. That's pretty much the last time I touched it. I enjoyed it but they need more stuff to buy with Wolf Marks or more Achievement unlocks to get me to keep coming back. Love your channel Zepla!
I agree! If you look at the Wolves Mark NPCs they only added one armor set for Shadowbringers. Every other expansion had two sets! Let's hope for Endwalker it will be two sets :O
all the aspects of cheating are killing it for me the most, even if its rare cases. There's so few top100 spots, any spot taken by a cheater/booster is a tragedy
@@durpasaur3052 technically there is 800 top 100 slots, every data center gets a set. Soon to be at least 900 when the Oceanic Servers come out next year.
A buddy of mine and I just started PvP’ing about 3 days ago, I was absentmindedly looking at the armor sets you could earn and shared the Lionliege set with him. (he’s a Paladin main still going through HW) Seeing how nice all the sets looked and seeing that it was content we could both benefit from equally since glamour is true endgame, we dove into Frontlines and The Feast and honestly had a blast figuring things out and working together to take out enemies. It’s actually helped convince some of our old WoW group to make plans to give the game a try after the disastrous last year or so of Shadowlands plus the nightmare situation at the studios. I appreciate that like everything else they add, this is evergreen content. You can sit there and grind out every single armor set for every single class and that never gets invalidated as time goes on. I’m really looking forward to unlocking some of the Stormblood and Shadowbringers sets, as well as some of those cool titles for getting your PvP rank up.
I'm unsure as to why WOW players consider that game the pinnacle of PVP when WOW PVP was horrible and continues to be horrible, they even went as far as to have PVP gear which is completely the opposite of fair lol. I've also come to the conclusion that WOW PVPers are literally so red pilled that they think that WOW PVP is the pinnacle, though it's really sad to say that even though Blizzard pumped soooo much money into it with the esports failures that it still didn't take off it's still considered as a template is super sad. Basically everyone found out that running macros and pillar humping was the jist of what made WOW PVP fun and now thats all you see. Even the high end use macros to automatically do said thing rather then skillfully reacting to a situation. If you want some examples of actual decent PVP, GW2 does it pretty well, and TESO even has moments when the servers aren't on fire. However FF14 is not the place to go if you are looking to do some PVP....
When I tried pvp I hated it. It was constantly just "how fast can we cc lock a healer to get kills." Healers are just too broken. I feel like they need them to be dialed back for most people like myself to try it again.
Are you guys focusing healers thinking that’s the thing to do in pvp? Honestly, there are much easier targets to kill than the healers, like ranged dps. Also making sure you’re organizing your damage into the smallest windows possible for burst to kill people in 2-3 seconds is the ideal before they can react or cast. It gets more fun with proficiency. Hit up someone on your DC for tips. Or just ask me if you want. Most pvpers are down to help you.
@@steveodude I already gave up trying to get into pvp awhile ago. But its just a pain in the ass when smites/bursts are the only way to kill people. Pvp may be fun but from my perspective its the most boring version of pvp out there. Its like wow pvp without the pace and danger.
@@ManicByMidnightShow To each their own but I wouldn't judge it when you're starting out so harshly, because from experience (both mine and people I've helped) it's something that gets more fun the better you get at it. I'm not quite sure I understand the comparison, because coordination leading to well timed bursts with limited cc timing is actually much faster paced and dangerous than WoW. I've played both to the higher ratings so I don't know what you're specifically referencing.
@@steveodude Dude get out of here, there is nothing in FF14 that is faster paced than wow in any category. They are entirely different games with dramatically different combat systems. The difference is GCD alone in combination with haste puts WoW pace just under that of an FPS/MOBA at high levels. The timing of interrupts, CCs, gap closers/escape mechanics. FF14 just doesn't have that and you don't get the same satisfaction because there is a lower skill ceiling. That's why wow has a 15yr history of constant pvp videos and compilations, to show case class mastery, ridiculous builds and crazy plays.
I actually tried doing some pvp a couple of years ago and actually really enjoyed it (I've never liked pvp on mmos before so it was really strange for me). But after a while of not understanding what was going on and being destroyed in a second I eventually stopped. I even tried looking for pvp guides for beginners but didn't find anything, so I just gave up. But I'll check his channel and see if I can find some beginner friendly info so I can try it out again!
This how my experience felt the other day trying it for the first time. I felt my character was doing zero damage and I was making zero progress on understanding how to get a kill.
The first time I went to the wolves den thing, i got scared when my entire hotbar was replaced by something completely different and ran away never to return lmao
@@BargedIn Some skills just won't work proper on other players and imagine if you queued in as a level 30 with your 8 attacks versus level 80's with full toolkits. Balance bratam.
@@makeaton but there is no explanation or segue into this entire change up. It’s very shocking for a new player who is trying to learn their hot keys, for them to be entirely switched up on a new game mode you also know nothing about.
I started playing Final Fantasy a few days ago and just had my first PvP experience. There is no real introduction that teaches you to PvP. I joined frontline to check it out as my first PvP experience. And first I joined, I had to read all my skills, because non were familiar. I had skills I've never seen before, combos I didn't understand and then the match already started. So I was basically just running and dying to ranged and aoe attacks in seconds, no way to run, no way to actually learn for what my skills are good. Frontline was also the first 24 player group and my unchanged standard UI for allied races was in the middle of my screen blocking everything. I haven't changed anything about the UI other than dragging the target list a little closer to the center and adjust one hotbar. Joining frontlines and almost see nothing, because both allied parties are in the center of my screen together with 2 or 3 gauges that had no explanation to it, is also not a great way to start PvP. So if I didn't HEARD about some of the PvP aspects, I would probably never come back ever again. This was the worst first time PvP experience I have ever had and I am not even joking. PvP is way too different to regular combat, that I was basically doing all game. The game teaches you basically every single most obvious mechanic in some form, but PvP that literally changes your hotbar, like you are playing a completely new class and then expect you to do fine in a new raid. There should be some sort of scenario that prepares you for PvP battles, so you know how to adjust your hotbar and understand your skills beforehand and not in the middle of a match or over outside sources that explains you the basics. A simple questline that puts you in PvP mode against some training dummies would have been more than enough to get at least an idea of what to expect.
Brian is an amazing guy, he's participation on lunarcon was enjoyable. My drawing got selected to be the header of the revival and I'm was super amazed. I'll try to evolve more on drawing to be able to do better+
That power trip feeling of a healer not being able to get killed, i felt that at the first few months of SWTOR back in 2011-2012. I was playing a sith inquisitor and i could easily 1v5 people without dying or 1v2 people and kill them e.t.c. It's a really addictive thing.
The biggest problem with PVP is that the game mode that has a daily challenge has a 66% mathematical lose chance that you basically can't play around. Frontlines are mathematically against you. And the fun game modes like Rival Wings and Feast don't have a daily challenge. It boggles my mind how they keep putting the worst game mode at the front and the good game modes at the back.
I think the FFXIV community in general has a massive issue with calling content garbage. ARR,POTD/HOH and PvP are all pieces of content people say is bad. When i starter playing ff14 i kept reading about how bad ARR was and to just skip it and watch a recap. Still regret doing that becaus when i started following the story closely in HW i didnt have any context to alot of the events or anything the characters were talking about or the rules of the world despite watching a recap. When Asmongold started playing ff14 i experienced ARR all over again through him and things make so much more sense now and i also came to realize that ARR isnt even that bad. Same goes for PvP. I only tried it after playing 1000 hours becaus people kept saying how bad it was and it turns out it isnt even that bad.
The huge issue is that people in general cannot say "i don't like X thing" and give good reasons, they always have to say "this thing is garbage, so that's why i don't like it. Why is it garbage? Who knows, just make something up, but it's garbage and i don't like it. ARR isn't garbage, it's long, that's it. The pacing and feel of the story is far better after ARR ends, yes, but ARR isn't "garbage" by any means.
It's just hyperbole that people use that isn't necessarily just limited to the FFXIV community but the gaming community as a whole and really just people in general are silly and say exaggerated stuff to overemphasize how they feel about things. They are stupid and are probably pretty socially inept so there really isn't much we can do about it besides to remind these people of how dumb they are and that their useless opinions mean nothing to no one.
I didn't know people disliked ARR, the two Deep Dungeon and PvP... especially ARR... that caught me off guard, as so many players talk about on how good the story is. Although, I'm a completely new player on the free trail and currently going through ARR as a White Mage (Level 51 currently). I'm believe I about midway through the ARR story line (the quest is around level 36-37) and overall I've been enjoying it so far, the story feels like one of those simple but humble beginning type of stories to me that guides you to when things get real later. For POTD and HOH, I haven't tried those yet but they seem interesting for side content from what I looked up. And for PvP... I haven't tried it either since I'm not really confident in using my hotkeys well yet for such a thing. However, I always did enjoy PvP in other MMOs (when gear is equalized) so it's something to I'm looking forward to later.
back in the day, in HW, i really loved to play frontlines, together with friends. it were those days of noct ASTs being very op - you could run in circles in midst of enemy team, constantly applying shields on yourself, and whole team (sometimes even) wasnt able to do anything to you. i was one of such AST players and it was really fun
Can confirm SCH is basically a tank in pvp. Nothing more satisfying than having half an alliance chase you across half the map and not be able to kill you.
That's actually one of the biggest reasons I don't like pvp in this game. If you're a healer and there are 2-3 players on you and you don't die, that's a problem.The healer feeling amazing for surviving makes me feel useless.
That's actually one of the biggest issues of PvP. Healers must be killable. They are primary targets, it's okay if they can survive and defend themselves, it is not okay if everyone must burn EVERYTHING to kill the healer and the healer still do not die. Because strategies in PvP end up with peeling for the healer, protecting it, making it lose LoS of the targets, etc, etc. If the Healer is just unkillable and can do whatever and also do not suffer with mana problems, then what's the point?
@@johnlarken4744 Most of the people in the top100 even right now are healers... just shows how broken it is:)) And they have a bigger advantage to, they have fast qeues ... a healer does 2matches until i do 1 with a dps, easy....
Thank you for making this video. I love doing PVP and I try so hard to fight back against the "PvP sucks" crowd, which is very hard to do. I have been doing PVP daily since it released in ARR. It has gone through many changes since then and I wish it kept some of its old style, but I still do it and have so much fun in all the modes and maps!
It’s not that bad honestly. I think if they added some more armor sets for glamour and weapons more people might engage with it. I usually only go in there myself to get a specific piece of glam that I want.
I wish they had something similar to the Garo outfits again. That'd make me do it more, but after hitting PvP rank 42, I just kind of not queue much anymore. I bought everything I wanted with wolf marks and am just capped. I mainly do frontlines though, I've done the Feast a few times but it's very hit or miss and I actually lost interest in it pretty quick.
I have been wanting to try PvP in this is game but I haven't gotten there because its just so much else to do! 😆 But if more people play then SE and Yoshi P will be motivated to do stuff with it so I think I will try it knowing the issues beforehand. Thank you for this video
Heya Zep - I'm loving what you do and just had to become a Patron. Not to sound hyperbolic but, you really do embody everything that's great about FFXIV. Positivity, friendliness and just so much help. Without a doubt you're the best FFXIV creator. Thank you for what you do - from an Aussie fan
Sometimes I wonder if if there is something wrong with me for just spamming frontline after frontline whenever I log ff14. If I want actually do something else like farming relics I have to rein in myself to stop. There are so many bad matches and so many people not paying attention, and yet there I go. Oh but I do love getting that 100 Battle high. Maybe I'm sick, but I do have fun. People should at least try it a few times. Oh yeah, I don't like feast at all because it's too stressing for my taste.
I did during the Moogle event Hidden gorde daily for about 6-8 hours, i absolutely love it,a nd yes MCH seems kinda OP in it xD Tried the feast when someone in Limsa said its active, so i queued up and did it. Was fun even if chaotic (i was a Cure 2 spamming WHM xD) Hope to do it more in the future, expecially Ranked. Is there any way to look up when the Season starts and ends? I heared about season 20, didnt even know it started...
Yoshida's team not having enough resources or budget has always been something holds EVERYTHING back in FFXIV. He has said multiple times that they have ideas or that they love community ideas and want to add them, but they can't because their budget simply does not allow them to do it. Most of the PvP issues truly come from the fact the devs simply cannot fix or add stuff as much as they would like because they legitimately do not have the time and resources to do it.
I got into PvP around a week ago for a glamour piece. Just did the dailies since "I heard it's bad, so I'm just gonna farm this and leave" but ended up liking it quite a bit. Now a friend and I go for at least one game every day and are looking into feast after checking some videos. But one thing's for sure, there's a lot of *suspicious activity* in PvP matches.
Frontlines is one of the only reasons I still play this game. It's a lot more fun than most of the PVE content nowadays. As for OP jobs, DRG is wayyyyyyy OP.
I've always said that this game would be unmatched with dedicated pvp support. Hopefully SE saw how many people were interested in New World for the pvp alone
Love your content and great commentary. With just over 4.4K pvp Frontlines matches myself, I could tell you that I’ve met my closest ffxiv friends via pvp; also done the work to rank #1 in June. That being said, I don’t “Feast” because it’s more about metrics and process vs frontlines that is so dynamic; due to 72 players on the field of battle. If you have anyone that would like to dip their toe in the water, I’d be more than happy to help! It’s 95% of my playtime. As long as the autonomy of FFXIV pvp style is understood to be different from all the other online pvp games, its going to be enjoyable for anyone. In general, compared to other games, there is way less toxicity. Now what’s fun, in frontlines you can hunt the toxic people and teaching those players a lesson or two is always fun! Haha.
It's a shame it is neglected. It is another aspect that could add to FFXIV MMO domination. They should have a space for all types of players and the ball is dropped here. Unfortunately I don't see them investing the resources it needs into it anytime soon. Maybe with the recent surge of players (myself included) they may have more future resources. PVP is good endgame content and I'm interested. It will take more of the community to bullhorn it. And I see a lot of the community say it as a lost cause so they ignore it when they should be saying, "Hey this isn't up to snuff so please work on it."
I just quit the feast when I had someone DC during 2 of my promotion matches. I was blown away that it counted against me. Naturally it only took 1 more loss to get denied.
Thank you sm for this! I would love to see more people get into PvP ;^; My biggest complaint regarding PvP is simply that there aren’t enough people playing it! I’d love to see it become more active!
I just started doing frontline today actually! There was a chest piece I wanted for my DRK and heard wolf marks were easy to get so I set out to grind only to find that not only is PvP one of the most chaotic things I've done in ffxiv but probably the most fun I've had in a while! Would definitely recommend getting a few friends in vc, it's a blast.
I have been trying to like PVP, I think feast is actually a good mode but the communication tools and matchmaking really make the experience frustrating. More often than not I am matched with a team that doesn't use the chat at all and doesn't respond to any callout. They just randomly attack whoever is closest to them and it just feels hopeless.
Brian ricardo said on his stream that the other maps are unbalanced. If you get a kill, the maps are too large and they also get a kill because you cant retreat on time.
@@vagrantgin6070 Fixing existing maps is literally a couple of hours of work and adjustment, you know, instead of making them, using them, deciding they broken and removing them forever, Seems like a waste of money and time.
Rooting for you Zep. I’ve come across your vids before but after seeing you progress from being hesitant of something like Ultimate then getting it done is actually cool to see. Hoping you join the T100 club as another notch on your belt before it possibly goes away. Keep up to neat vids.
First - Love your video topics. They are some of the best chosen topics in this community and for that I'm extremely grateful for your content and time. If I could suggest a minor bit of advice? Your particular vocal inflexion is very dynamic - meaning, you're both quiet and louder at certain points in your sentences. I find myself having to adjust volume up then back down to find that sweet spot. You might try to move your mic closer or a dynamic mic that adjusts to your frequency. I don't mean this negative at all, just want to throw this out there in hopes it would benefit your amazing content and community!
Great video! Cool collab with Brian. A lot of negativity comes from people who haven't played pvp in years and haven't experienced any of the changes. Rival wings is so hard to queue in to outside of the Revival Wings queue times. I can't wait for the new small scale pvp but I hope rival wings gets more attention from the community and in turn the devs. Also, thanks to Brian for running the Discord and to others in there like Chiara and so on.
I've started PvP recently after seeing Lunacon. It was content I hadn't really given a go and thought I'd give it a spin and find out. Started with Frontline and it was quite a bit fun although sometimes frustrating when your team just gives up. I was watching you do some 4v4 Feast ranked and decided I'd give this a try next. I main healer and felt more comfortable going in as WHM. I had a blast. One instance there was a WAR on the enemy team and I thought to myself "he's going to run at me". Sure enough he did and I took him for a jog around the area. He simply couldn't kill me on his own and he was really trying. His team lost because of his actions. Saw the same WAR a few matches later and it was same tactic.
I think the best thing to help PvP grow would be to introduce new frontlines with only 2 Grand Companies not the standard 3, give us dueling rings in each major city ( the Colosseum in Ul'Dah would be a neat place to watch players fight it out, can even have player hosted tournaments and betting for spectators) and more glamour sets (including weapons) the lack of weapons to go along with the last armor set in SB was a big let down
Hey Zepla! Great vid :D I would love to see PvP get more support. By the way, the link to Brian Ricardo's discord server is invalid. Just thought I'd let you know.
I got into Rival Wings a lot for event token farming. I liked it a lot. Then I tried Frontlines and while It was more hectic, I had fun. I still haven't done the feast yet but it looks like a lot of fun. I can see why people don't like it, but now that I'm caught up with the MSQ PVP is one of the things I want to spend more time with. I didn't realize he ran revival, he is super friendly. I mentioned it a few times and he was trying to get me into the discord (which I joined). Pretty dope. Will need to learn more
I do it for xp and Tails, but I am trying to improve every time I play. I am actually really beginning to enjoy it. A welcome break from the MSQ grind.
"People should try everything for themselfes..." Word. Problem is that alot of people get into it with negative expectations so those just become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Yeah the amount of times you try to tell people to do the objective and tehy just flat out say its pvp who cares... Like everyone that's having fun here cares? They just come straight in with the mindset that they don't care if they win or lose, they don't want to learn their class, or the game mode.
@@poolemon9016 yeah, im certain going to pvp, with screwed default UI, that covers 70% of screen and skills that are working completely differently, is due to "people not learning the game".
@@Mardukson How is it not? That's like saying people going into a raid without looking at any of they skills is the game's fault. You have to specifically go and unlock pvp and it gives you new hotbars and everything before you even queue up. it hardly throws you in the deep end regarding that. Plus you need to be level 30 to unlock it. Who hasn't adjusted their UI settings by that point? You're literally proving my point by just blaming the game because you're too lazy to look up the rules of a competitive gamemode.
@@poolemon9016 by default, UI adjustments, doesn't show PvP "view" - how are you supposed to adjust them, without seeing them first, ie, most players joining the pvp mode (example: god damned party bar in the middle of screen) I'll draw comparison to Wow - yes, scream that I didn't use dispell, as mage, coz i never had a need to use it before
@@Mardukson I mean it uses pvp actions, so as soon as you go to wolves den to unlock it you lose all your buttons and they are replaced with pvp actions. You can't queue up without seeing that and thinking maybe you should rebind your keys. It's the same as when you unlock your job and your hotbars change entirely. There's no button to press or UI adjustment it's automatic. The alliance UI might not be in the best place but I'm fairly sure most people decide to make it even bigger than the default, especially healers. There's like 12 buttons in pvp how/why would you ever go in without looking at what they do?
this gets me motivated to try out the different modes, I do remember the feeling of being an unkillable healer in frontline roulettes, so getting to experience It in smaller scale PvP battles shall be fun
I just did my first frontline. I felt like a badass running through the enemy team not dying as a tank. I have no idea what the goal was other than poke crystals, but we won. I have no idea if i did good or not but it was fun.
I started doing daily frontline two or three days ago for glam, but found myself frankly loving it. This is the third time in my life I'm enjoying a PvP game - and I certainly did not expect that going into FF14. Definitely my favourite thing about PvP is the job design - it is much more, for lack of a better term, *concise* than in PvE. And while some jobs are very different due to their PvE incarnations being either impractical in the gamemode (Black Mage, who got a whole bunch of instant casts) or using unsupported mechanics (Scholar and Summoner, specifically), all that I've tried are *fun.* Astrologian's cards are a 20% damage boost (lord) or reduction (lady), lilies bloom every 10 seconds and regen is rolled into lily heals, Gunbreaker's Aurora is a 3000 potency upfront heal with 15 seconds of 600 potency regen on a 15 second cooldown (what the hell), tanks have a *lot* of healing from damage, Dancer has 3 charges of En Avant and procs Fountainfall and friends with En Avant... everything is fun to play! (maybe except summoner, that one is just bloody weird)
i don't play PVP outside of frontlines because i find it intimidating but i think i might give it a try now. this was a great video! i love hearing from players/content creators that are dedicated to niche content in this game. i hope you feature more interviews like this in future videos!! :D
that god feeling you get when the whole team is focusing on you and you cant die is the same feeling i got when i used to play my resto druid back in WoW, HOTS BABY HOTS
i always felt that without being able to actually talk to each other i have a really hard time with pvp, i dont know if i do things right or wrong and there is no way i can be given feedback by my teammates
We used to be able to talk but people would be toxic. With the current way FFXIV works, I don't think talking in the Feast would work out well. Sadly, you just have to use outside sources or post match conversations to get feedback.
Tried frontlines years ago when it came out, the whole pvp system felt like an after-thought that was tacked on similar to how FFXI's pvp was. So after trying only 1 or 2 matches I never went back in. I might have to give it another try though.
The problem with old PvP pre-Stormblood is that it was "balanced" around PvE skills and equipment. So you could silence spam mages, go invincible, or do absurd burst. With Stormblood's launch the two systems are completely separate.
I was heavy into Frontlines when the Garo armor sets were available. Nowadays I drop in every now and then to make progress towards some glamours I want much more laid back schedule. PVP music though is always fire and a plus to returning to it.
Myself and my buddies are all 2.1k+ EXP from WoW. We all had taken in extremely serious. No we weren't R1 but I feel our opinion still holds true. We are having FUN with ff14 pvp. It is not just outright bad. It has its moments both good and bad, but it has alot of what WoW pvpers have been asking for and it is rewarding. it really is worth giving a shot. PLEASE join us in the PvP community
I farmed pvp for a haircut and honestly it was pretty fun. Feast especially, there's something really enjoyable about having the whole team dash at someone at the same time and mash cooldowns to destroy them. One thing I think would work perfectly with this would be a moba like game mode, where you keep the spirit of feast engagement but add mobs and positions to control / leveling. The game has all the systems pretty much already created for something like this to get produced, I don't think they'll ever put enough money into pvp to do something like this but I could totally see it being successful.
I LOVE PVP in this game, especially Frontlines, dopamine hits when you get battle high 5 and just blast everyone is amazing. (I'm addicted tho so I uninstalled today and I'm sad, but everyone just go and try PVP its a lot of fun)
My strat for frontlines roulette is go in as a healer and stay far enough behind the party that the enemies in front are out of range, and basically just follow the group around. Get ambushed, die, respawn, repeat until its over. How you actually perform doesn't really matter since you get the daily wolf marks bonus regardless.
I subscribed to his channel. I'm still really new baby, not even max level but I do plan on trying PvP eventually. We're from WoW (pre-scandal) and my husband loves PvP, it's actually how we met so regardless of anything I would be trying it anyway.
Thanks for this video. Frontlines used to be less casual when we had 24 man. I think slaughter (arr) and seize were peak FL. Not having to hold objectives makes the matches less strategic.
I used to queue daily for Frontline back in the weeks leading up to Shadowbringers. I had fun for a while, including one run where I saw a lone enemy dragoon running from another enemy team. I ran up alone and stunned the dragoon before running away back to my team as the group descended on the dragoon. I felt bad but it was hilarious. Though, getting stomped in daily Frontlines by an organized team who did nothing but crush players and ignore their own objective (and win) was very disheartening. I've been wanting to go back and try it out, farm flor some glamour and the mount from Onsal Hakair but lately I haven't wanted to
@scott overholt For sure, but that doesn't make ff14 pvp trash. It just makes it not as good as other games that are built around pvp and most of what you listed are open world pvp :P FF14 is by its core a pve game. So if people are looking for that kind of experience, then obviously not for them. If they are looking for a mix of pve and pvp i'd say its not bad at all. Also because the pvp skills are separate from pve skills its like 100% easier to balance pvp. Verse games who are constantly struggling to keep the balance (eyeing you ESO).
I am a huge fan of pvp. I wish they didn't randomize your affiliation for Frontline a and I also wish more people wanted to do rival wings it's my favorite pvp!
You used to be locked in to your Grand Company, but then people started to stack the team really hard. 1 team would always dominate because the better players would join it, never giving the others even a slim chance at winning. It would also happen that 1 of the GC's would just have way less players that did PvP, so queues could be really long on the off-hours
Pvp has some amazing glams, and I'm not just talking about Feast. If you have maxed out wolf marks, you need to go to the vendors. Kitsune glams, techno Allagan healer, nue and oni glams. "Chef kiss".
Special type of gear, capture the flag, hold the site and last man standing with different maps to play it on. WoW has this down with modes, but they lack new content.
2:10 Frontline Roulette is probably one of the main reasons why Frontline is alive and also has one of the best exp rewards. You can get around 40%-50% exp of your level vs the 10%-20% you get from Dungeon Roulette.
I think it's incredibly important that there *not* be dedicated PvP staff. Having seen lots of popular games with unpopular PvP try that in the past, what ends up happening is essentially a death sentence. The rest of the team will cease to feel *any* obligation to care about PvP in any way. It'll be the responsibility of the PvP "team" (usually one or two people) rather than them. It's not something that the main team can just shove off onto somebody who cares or PvP will *never* receive the support from squenix that it needs. Half-assing it will only result in a ton of disappointed players. Side note, as a glamour hunter, you're 100% on about the lackluster Feast rewards. My options are going turbo tryhard at least an hour a day for a full season to *possibly* get rewards (though on Aether that's a very small chance) or just give up on feast rewards. Rather than a structure that has rewards for everybody with some special goodies for the best of the best, the current Feast rewards amount to an absolute ton of stuff for a grand total of 400 (500?) people and nothing for anybody else. You cannot sustain an MMO PvP community off of less than half a thousand players.
@ZelphaHQ, I watched /listened to your previous LS with Asmon and Rich. I need to say that yes there has been points in the game where I damn near cried. Gais arc was one of the most painful things I have have ever watched (As a soldier) that shit hurt alot. "The Black Wolf" become hero? That side quest hit me in the feels for real....
Thank you so much for featuring me in this video! I tried my best to give all the good juicy details about PvP and the community.
PvP in this game can be a lot of fun but so many people still need to give it a try. GL HF ^_^
You sir, sound like such a cool dude! Subbed. :)
I really want to get better at it because I always have fun doing it. I will definitely be checking out your content.
cheers!
I love watching your context and your livestreams. You got me into trying out pvp and loving it.
Here is the current discord link! discord.gg/pvprevival
I noticed you reaching out to experts in their fields like this and the deep dungeon and think it is a really cool thing. I love hearing these perspectives. :)
I will try pvp :)
Yo man give them a taste what means to be rank 1 at wow
I’d love to see you do it
Sav!
Well hello there. 👀
Nice
"It burns when I pvp" made me spit out my coffee 😆
I love how she giggled
Zepla has the best worst puns and I'm here for it. Definitely giggling because fully aware of her mad cringe skills
@@inewulf3204 I totally hatelove the puns.
I choked on my dinner rofl
that 12 year old phrase still gets people huh
I like how every video Zepla's hair keeps leveling up
She’s rocking them ARR Y’shtola braids
@@GoldenMushroom64 Zeptola 😂👍
Her hair has a strong tankbuster.
I wish pvp had more of a tutorial, since they totally change how your skills work, and different modes have objectives you need to know, but they dont tell you anything up front. You have to ask or look up guides.
"It burns when I PvP" - that was great. Glad I subbed!
I love how earlier today I was looking at PvP stuff and wondering if I should try and it and bam - this video comes out! Thank you Zepla, you're the best!
PVP desperately needs more love. If they did it right this game would get so much more love.
Especially with all the WoW refugees, PVP would be a huge gamechanger.
I think it's about as good as it can get honestly, the way FFXIV's combat works and with things like server ticks, it's never going to be as responsive as a game like WoW or BDO. This doesn't mean pvp in FFXIV can't be fun, it's just kinda always going to be relegated to a side activity, instead of a potentially primary way of playing the game like in WoW.
I actually liked frontlines.
PvP has been one of the most positive experiences I've had with FFXIV! As someone who hasn't yet reached Shadowbringers endgame content, it's nice to have accessible, competitive challenges like the PvP modes or some Gold Saucer content like Lord of Verminion Tournaments! Honestly, I just love the variety of experiences available in the game.
Exactly, I'm still in ARR but feel so satisfied with the large amount of things I can already do.
It's not, and as a newer player who just recently tried it, I wish people who don't like it/meme on it didn't tell people it's not worth their time so they can come to their own conclusion. I'm sure many new players would try it and enjoy it if not for that, and it perpetuates the modes lack of consistent players.
Ooh! I wonder if this will help boost the Rival Wings event going on this weekend. Saturday, the 14th, 5PM (PDT), Rival Wings playlist. They're giving away a Cruise mount on their Discord for those interested. Thanks for bringing some attention and love to PvP Zepla.
Whether you like PVP or not, it’s a shame Brian Ricardo is not seen as a pillar of the ffxiv community like some of the other creators. Mad Respect to him and his peers.
That may change as this new wave of WoW refugees gets settled.
I agree !!
He’s good, just not entertaining to watch lol
Agreed
Because he is dull. No personality. His channel will never grow more.
Thanks fot featuring Brian in the video! He deserve it! He's good with pvp knowledge.
Also no problem with using some clips from the Chicken Run event vid I made! Thanks for linking it in the video description! Goodluck and have to anyone who's trying or going to play PvP!
i think having an actual tutorial mode for the pvp modes would be really nice. i attempted frontlines for shits and giggles once and was like I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IM SUPPOSED TO BE DOING lmao. I still have NO clue lmao It would really help making them feel less overwhelming. I didnt know all of my skills would be different and my hotbars were such a mess.
Love how Zep's so passionate about things. The kinda gal who would tackle the gates of Hell with a bucket of water if she thought that was the right thing to do.
My biggest complaint with pvp as a new player with interest in it is that there's nothing telling you what the objective is/what you're supposed to be doing. I have a lot of fun playing my daily frontline, but I barely have a clue as to what you're supposed to be doing to score points after about 30 or so runs of it. My best guess is you're supposed to fight over nodes and then occupy them lol. It's a lot of fun to fight against other players, especially once you get your sea legs with the pvp hotbar, but the fact that almost everyone has no clue what they're actually supposed to be doing is limiting the potential of the game modes.
I also queued for the feast once and then never again because the queue time was almost an hour long and, once again, I had no idea what I was supposed to be doing. Even something like a super quick message that flashes on your screen that says "Capture the nodes!" or something before the players are released into the field would be enough.
I think there's a npc on yougrand company that talks about frontline and the goblin at wolves den does for rival wings. Also on the lodestone. But yeah something during the matches could help a little bit
the Feast has been surprisingly fun for me. I started in Season 18 with low expectations and had an absolute BLAST learning it, even making it into the T100 on my very first season!
Coming over from Asmonds videos as well as Allcraft. Definitely subbing, your content is super enjoyable. I'm glad I was introduced to your content from the other videos 👍👍
I actually like the PvP in 14. I like that they balance PvE and PvP separately. Honestly wish the Feast rewards were easier to get. Top 100 is crazy, especially if more people start playing.
Id prefer if they did divisions, and did the top 100 thing as a separate reward. Being top 100 and having its own reward is amazing, but I wished it just had a trinkle bit more.
It'd be nice if they added top 500, top 1000 and a consolation prize.
@@hellfrozenphoenix13 @Lordoftheapes79 Honestly, the issue here I think is more engagement/participation, are there enough players on each data center to warrant a larger prize pool?
@@ckwi2245 if say yes, personally. Eith the large influx of new players, PvP will become more populated. Although, that does depend on how many of the new players pick up the PvP.
I mean, it's fun because nobody cares, if they actually had put effort into balancing the PVP people would start caring because then it would be competitive. I think it's fine being horrible. You will never see an Esport FF14 pvp match for a reason...
Been playing 7 years and I did PvP a long time ago for a set of the Late Allagan gear of aiming (SICK Machinist outfit) and the mount. And also I got one of the Garo mounts before they went away. That's pretty much the last time I touched it. I enjoyed it but they need more stuff to buy with Wolf Marks or more Achievement unlocks to get me to keep coming back. Love your channel Zepla!
I agree! If you look at the Wolves Mark NPCs they only added one armor set for Shadowbringers. Every other expansion had two sets! Let's hope for Endwalker it will be two sets :O
all the aspects of cheating are killing it for me the most, even if its rare cases. There's so few top100 spots, any spot taken by a cheater/booster is a tragedy
So I did the math and there are 100 spots in top 100. Someone double check pls
@@durpasaur3052 shut up :p english isn't my first language so i'm excused
@@Pelic0ne lol np
@@durpasaur3052 technically there is 800 top 100 slots, every data center gets a set. Soon to be at least 900 when the Oceanic Servers come out next year.
@@ckwi2245 I suppose so eh
A buddy of mine and I just started PvP’ing about 3 days ago, I was absentmindedly looking at the armor sets you could earn and shared the Lionliege set with him. (he’s a Paladin main still going through HW) Seeing how nice all the sets looked and seeing that it was content we could both benefit from equally since glamour is true endgame, we dove into Frontlines and The Feast and honestly had a blast figuring things out and working together to take out enemies. It’s actually helped convince some of our old WoW group to make plans to give the game a try after the disastrous last year or so of Shadowlands plus the nightmare situation at the studios. I appreciate that like everything else they add, this is evergreen content. You can sit there and grind out every single armor set for every single class and that never gets invalidated as time goes on. I’m really looking forward to unlocking some of the Stormblood and Shadowbringers sets, as well as some of those cool titles for getting your PvP rank up.
:D NICE
I'm unsure as to why WOW players consider that game the pinnacle of PVP when WOW PVP was horrible and continues to be horrible, they even went as far as to have PVP gear which is completely the opposite of fair lol. I've also come to the conclusion that WOW PVPers are literally so red pilled that they think that WOW PVP is the pinnacle, though it's really sad to say that even though Blizzard pumped soooo much money into it with the esports failures that it still didn't take off it's still considered as a template is super sad. Basically everyone found out that running macros and pillar humping was the jist of what made WOW PVP fun and now thats all you see. Even the high end use macros to automatically do said thing rather then skillfully reacting to a situation. If you want some examples of actual decent PVP, GW2 does it pretty well, and TESO even has moments when the servers aren't on fire. However FF14 is not the place to go if you are looking to do some PVP....
When I tried pvp I hated it. It was constantly just "how fast can we cc lock a healer to get kills." Healers are just too broken. I feel like they need them to be dialed back for most people like myself to try it again.
Are you guys focusing healers thinking that’s the thing to do in pvp? Honestly, there are much easier targets to kill than the healers, like ranged dps. Also making sure you’re organizing your damage into the smallest windows possible for burst to kill people in 2-3 seconds is the ideal before they can react or cast. It gets more fun with proficiency. Hit up someone on your DC for tips. Or just ask me if you want. Most pvpers are down to help you.
@@steveodude I already gave up trying to get into pvp awhile ago. But its just a pain in the ass when smites/bursts are the only way to kill people. Pvp may be fun but from my perspective its the most boring version of pvp out there. Its like wow pvp without the pace and danger.
@@ManicByMidnightShow To each their own but I wouldn't judge it when you're starting out so harshly, because from experience (both mine and people I've helped) it's something that gets more fun the better you get at it. I'm not quite sure I understand the comparison, because coordination leading to well timed bursts with limited cc timing is actually much faster paced and dangerous than WoW. I've played both to the higher ratings so I don't know what you're specifically referencing.
@@steveodude Dude get out of here, there is nothing in FF14 that is faster paced than wow in any category. They are entirely different games with dramatically different combat systems. The difference is GCD alone in combination with haste puts WoW pace just under that of an FPS/MOBA at high levels. The timing of interrupts, CCs, gap closers/escape mechanics. FF14 just doesn't have that and you don't get the same satisfaction because there is a lower skill ceiling.
That's why wow has a 15yr history of constant pvp videos and compilations, to show case class mastery, ridiculous builds and crazy plays.
I actually tried doing some pvp a couple of years ago and actually really enjoyed it (I've never liked pvp on mmos before so it was really strange for me). But after a while of not understanding what was going on and being destroyed in a second I eventually stopped. I even tried looking for pvp guides for beginners but didn't find anything, so I just gave up.
But I'll check his channel and see if I can find some beginner friendly info so I can try it out again!
This how my experience felt the other day trying it for the first time. I felt my character was doing zero damage and I was making zero progress on understanding how to get a kill.
The first time I went to the wolves den thing, i got scared when my entire hotbar was replaced by something completely different and ran away never to return lmao
This is probably the biggest issue with pvp in FF14. Why do they do this?
@@BargedIn Some skills just won't work proper on other players and imagine if you queued in as a level 30 with your 8 attacks versus level 80's with full toolkits.
Balance bratam.
@@makeaton but there is no explanation or segue into this entire change up. It’s very shocking for a new player who is trying to learn their hot keys, for them to be entirely switched up on a new game mode you also know nothing about.
I started playing Final Fantasy a few days ago and just had my first PvP experience.
There is no real introduction that teaches you to PvP.
I joined frontline to check it out as my first PvP experience. And first I joined, I had to read all my skills, because non were familiar. I had skills I've never seen before, combos I didn't understand and then the match already started. So I was basically just running and dying to ranged and aoe attacks in seconds, no way to run, no way to actually learn for what my skills are good.
Frontline was also the first 24 player group and my unchanged standard UI for allied races was in the middle of my screen blocking everything. I haven't changed anything about the UI other than dragging the target list a little closer to the center and adjust one hotbar. Joining frontlines and almost see nothing, because both allied parties are in the center of my screen together with 2 or 3 gauges that had no explanation to it, is also not a great way to start PvP.
So if I didn't HEARD about some of the PvP aspects, I would probably never come back ever again. This was the worst first time PvP experience I have ever had and I am not even joking. PvP is way too different to regular combat, that I was basically doing all game.
The game teaches you basically every single most obvious mechanic in some form, but PvP that literally changes your hotbar, like you are playing a completely new class and then expect you to do fine in a new raid.
There should be some sort of scenario that prepares you for PvP battles, so you know how to adjust your hotbar and understand your skills beforehand and not in the middle of a match or over outside sources that explains you the basics. A simple questline that puts you in PvP mode against some training dummies would have been more than enough to get at least an idea of what to expect.
Brian is an amazing guy, he's participation on lunarcon was enjoyable.
My drawing got selected to be the header of the revival and I'm was super amazed.
I'll try to evolve more on drawing to be able to do better+
That power trip feeling of a healer not being able to get killed, i felt that at the first few months of SWTOR back in 2011-2012. I was playing a sith inquisitor and i could easily 1v5 people without dying or 1v2 people and kill them e.t.c. It's a really addictive thing.
That sounds very lore accurate actually.
This is an amazing video. Thank you very much Zepla. We need more PvP exposure for sure.
The biggest problem with PVP is that the game mode that has a daily challenge has a 66% mathematical lose chance that you basically can't play around. Frontlines are mathematically against you. And the fun game modes like Rival Wings and Feast don't have a daily challenge. It boggles my mind how they keep putting the worst game mode at the front and the good game modes at the back.
I don't agree with that actually LOL
I think the FFXIV community in general has a massive issue with calling content garbage. ARR,POTD/HOH and PvP are all pieces of content people say is bad.
When i starter playing ff14 i kept reading about how bad ARR was and to just skip it and watch a recap. Still regret doing that becaus when i started following the story closely in HW i didnt have any context to alot of the events or anything the characters were talking about or the rules of the world despite watching a recap. When Asmongold started playing ff14 i experienced ARR all over again through him and things make so much more sense now and i also came to realize that ARR isnt even that bad.
Same goes for PvP. I only tried it after playing 1000 hours becaus people kept saying how bad it was and it turns out it isnt even that bad.
The huge issue is that people in general cannot say "i don't like X thing" and give good reasons, they always have to say "this thing is garbage, so that's why i don't like it.
Why is it garbage? Who knows, just make something up, but it's garbage and i don't like it.
ARR isn't garbage, it's long, that's it. The pacing and feel of the story is far better after ARR ends, yes, but ARR isn't "garbage" by any means.
That's why you should always experience something yourself.
It's just hyperbole that people use that isn't necessarily just limited to the FFXIV community but the gaming community as a whole and really just people in general are silly and say exaggerated stuff to overemphasize how they feel about things. They are stupid and are probably pretty socially inept so there really isn't much we can do about it besides to remind these people of how dumb they are and that their useless opinions mean nothing to no one.
I didn't know people disliked ARR, the two Deep Dungeon and PvP... especially ARR... that caught me off guard, as so many players talk about on how good the story is.
Although, I'm a completely new player on the free trail and currently going through ARR as a White Mage (Level 51 currently). I'm believe I about midway through the ARR story line (the quest is around level 36-37) and overall I've been enjoying it so far, the story feels like one of those simple but humble beginning type of stories to me that guides you to when things get real later.
For POTD and HOH, I haven't tried those yet but they seem interesting for side content from what I looked up.
And for PvP... I haven't tried it either since I'm not really confident in using my hotkeys well yet for such a thing. However, I always did enjoy PvP in other MMOs (when gear is equalized) so it's something to I'm looking forward to later.
I agree been playing for a long time and everytime i heard something was not that good. I try and enjoy it
back in the day, in HW, i really loved to play frontlines, together with friends. it were those days of noct ASTs being very op - you could run in circles in midst of enemy team, constantly applying shields on yourself, and whole team (sometimes even) wasnt able to do anything to you. i was one of such AST players and it was really fun
Can confirm SCH is basically a tank in pvp. Nothing more satisfying than having half an alliance chase you across half the map and not be able to kill you.
That's actually one of the biggest reasons I don't like pvp in this game. If you're a healer and there are 2-3 players on you and you don't die, that's a problem.The healer feeling amazing for surviving makes me feel useless.
That's actually one of the biggest issues of PvP. Healers must be killable. They are primary targets, it's okay if they can survive and defend themselves, it is not okay if everyone must burn EVERYTHING to kill the healer and the healer still do not die. Because strategies in PvP end up with peeling for the healer, protecting it, making it lose LoS of the targets, etc, etc. If the Healer is just unkillable and can do whatever and also do not suffer with mana problems, then what's the point?
@@johnlarken4744 Most of the people in the top100 even right now are healers... just shows how broken it is:)) And they have a bigger advantage to, they have fast qeues ... a healer does 2matches until i do 1 with a dps, easy....
According to the staff of that discord she mentioned, "they all can't play" or that "doesn't happen" X-P
Thank you for making this video. I love doing PVP and I try so hard to fight back against the "PvP sucks" crowd, which is very hard to do.
I have been doing PVP daily since it released in ARR. It has gone through many changes since then and I wish it kept some of its old style, but I still do it and have so much fun in all the modes and maps!
It’s not that bad honestly. I think if they added some more armor sets for glamour and weapons more people might engage with it. I usually only go in there myself to get a specific piece of glam that I want.
I always PVP in any game. I love to stalk and gank in enemy capitals. But I am just 30 in FF.
It is bad though, yall are very strange its like you cant accept any part of the game being bad
@@jonathansoko1085 I'm a noob. Haven't seen 99% of the game.
I wish they had something similar to the Garo outfits again. That'd make me do it more, but after hitting PvP rank 42, I just kind of not queue much anymore. I bought everything I wanted with wolf marks and am just capped. I mainly do frontlines though, I've done the Feast a few times but it's very hit or miss and I actually lost interest in it pretty quick.
Or even a better daily!
I have been wanting to try PvP in this is game but I haven't gotten there because its just so much else to do! 😆 But if more people play then SE and Yoshi P will be motivated to do stuff with it so I think I will try it knowing the issues beforehand. Thank you for this video
Heya Zep - I'm loving what you do and just had to become a Patron. Not to sound hyperbolic but, you really do embody everything that's great about FFXIV. Positivity, friendliness and just so much help. Without a doubt you're the best FFXIV creator. Thank you for what you do - from an Aussie fan
Sometimes I wonder if if there is something wrong with me for just spamming frontline after frontline whenever I log ff14. If I want actually do something else like farming relics I have to rein in myself to stop.
There are so many bad matches and so many people not paying attention, and yet there I go. Oh but I do love getting that 100 Battle high. Maybe I'm sick, but I do have fun. People should at least try it a few times.
Oh yeah, I don't like feast at all because it's too stressing for my taste.
you're not sick bro pvp is fun i love pvp myself.
I did during the Moogle event Hidden gorde daily for about 6-8 hours, i absolutely love it,a nd yes MCH seems kinda OP in it xD
Tried the feast when someone in Limsa said its active, so i queued up and did it. Was fun even if chaotic (i was a Cure 2 spamming WHM xD)
Hope to do it more in the future, expecially Ranked.
Is there any way to look up when the Season starts and ends? I heared about season 20, didnt even know it started...
Yoshida's team not having enough resources or budget has always been something holds EVERYTHING back in FFXIV.
He has said multiple times that they have ideas or that they love community ideas and want to add them, but they can't because their budget simply does not allow them to do it. Most of the PvP issues truly come from the fact the devs simply cannot fix or add stuff as much as they would like because they legitimately do not have the time and resources to do it.
I got into PvP around a week ago for a glamour piece. Just did the dailies since "I heard it's bad, so I'm just gonna farm this and leave" but ended up liking it quite a bit. Now a friend and I go for at least one game every day and are looking into feast after checking some videos. But one thing's for sure, there's a lot of *suspicious activity* in PvP matches.
It funny because that how it happeneds for alot of people!
Frontlines is one of the only reasons I still play this game. It's a lot more fun than most of the PVE content nowadays. As for OP jobs, DRG is wayyyyyyy OP.
Yay I'm so glad Bryan is getting a spotlight I've been following his content for quote some time now
I've always said that this game would be unmatched with dedicated pvp support.
Hopefully SE saw how many people were interested in New World for the pvp alone
Love your content and great commentary. With just over 4.4K pvp Frontlines matches myself, I could tell you that I’ve met my closest ffxiv friends via pvp; also done the work to rank #1 in June. That being said, I don’t “Feast” because it’s more about metrics and process vs frontlines that is so dynamic; due to 72 players on the field of battle. If you have anyone that would like to dip their toe in the water, I’d be more than happy to help! It’s 95% of my playtime.
As long as the autonomy of FFXIV pvp style is understood to be different from all the other online pvp games, its going to be enjoyable for anyone. In general, compared to other games, there is way less toxicity. Now what’s fun, in frontlines you can hunt the toxic people and teaching those players a lesson or two is always fun! Haha.
This is wholesome !
Ranked Feast is some of the most fun content in the game, but the levels of salt it can generate is insane sometimes.
I feel like that would happen no matter what because it's competitive and some people are very poor losers.
I want to have fun but, being forced to que with randoms is just a complete deal breaker for me tbh.
I'd love to try for top 100 because I really want that mount but it seems really tough. Would I have to no-life it to achieve it?
I wouldn't say you need to no life, but it definitely is a grind for a new player to go from fresh to top 100.
@@BrianRicardo Thank you for the info! Definitely influences my thoughts.
It's a shame it is neglected. It is another aspect that could add to FFXIV MMO domination. They should have a space for all types of players and the ball is dropped here. Unfortunately I don't see them investing the resources it needs into it anytime soon. Maybe with the recent surge of players (myself included) they may have more future resources. PVP is good endgame content and I'm interested. It will take more of the community to bullhorn it. And I see a lot of the community say it as a lost cause so they ignore it when they should be saying, "Hey this isn't up to snuff so please work on it."
I just quit the feast when I had someone DC during 2 of my promotion matches. I was blown away that it counted against me. Naturally it only took 1 more loss to get denied.
Thank you sm for this! I would love to see more people get into PvP ;^; My biggest complaint regarding PvP is simply that there aren’t enough people playing it! I’d love to see it become more active!
I just started doing frontline today actually! There was a chest piece I wanted for my DRK and heard wolf marks were easy to get so I set out to grind only to find that not only is PvP one of the most chaotic things I've done in ffxiv but probably the most fun I've had in a while! Would definitely recommend getting a few friends in vc, it's a blast.
I have been trying to like PVP, I think feast is actually a good mode but the communication tools and matchmaking really make the experience frustrating. More often than not I am matched with a team that doesn't use the chat at all and doesn't respond to any callout. They just randomly attack whoever is closest to them and it just feels hopeless.
The worst part about The Feast Map is, THERE ARE OTHER MAPS, they're just not in a rotation and we havent seen them in years, they're just "gone"
Brian ricardo said on his stream that the other maps are unbalanced. If you get a kill, the maps are too large and they also get a kill because you cant retreat on time.
@@vagrantgin6070 Fixing existing maps is literally a couple of hours of work and adjustment, you know, instead of making them, using them, deciding they broken and removing them forever, Seems like a waste of money and time.
Zepla's videos has been really enhancing for my FFXIV experience! Thank you Zepla for all your devotion ^_^ I feel like playing PvP too now!
Rooting for you Zep. I’ve come across your vids before but after seeing you progress from being hesitant of something like Ultimate then getting it done is actually cool to see. Hoping you join the T100 club as another notch on your belt before it possibly goes away. Keep up to neat vids.
First - Love your video topics. They are some of the best chosen topics in this community and for that I'm extremely grateful for your content and time. If I could suggest a minor bit of advice? Your particular vocal inflexion is very dynamic - meaning, you're both quiet and louder at certain points in your sentences. I find myself having to adjust volume up then back down to find that sweet spot. You might try to move your mic closer or a dynamic mic that adjusts to your frequency. I don't mean this negative at all, just want to throw this out there in hopes it would benefit your amazing content and community!
As a new FF14 player I noped out of PVP (for now) when I realized it required learning an entire new set of skills.
It is probably done that way so pvp changes do not affect pve.
Great video! Cool collab with Brian. A lot of negativity comes from people who haven't played pvp in years and haven't experienced any of the changes. Rival wings is so hard to queue in to outside of the Revival Wings queue times. I can't wait for the new small scale pvp but I hope rival wings gets more attention from the community and in turn the devs. Also, thanks to Brian for running the Discord and to others in there like Chiara and so on.
I've started PvP recently after seeing Lunacon. It was content I hadn't really given a go and thought I'd give it a spin and find out. Started with Frontline and it was quite a bit fun although sometimes frustrating when your team just gives up. I was watching you do some 4v4 Feast ranked and decided I'd give this a try next. I main healer and felt more comfortable going in as WHM. I had a blast. One instance there was a WAR on the enemy team and I thought to myself "he's going to run at me". Sure enough he did and I took him for a jog around the area. He simply couldn't kill me on his own and he was really trying. His team lost because of his actions. Saw the same WAR a few matches later and it was same tactic.
Glad you enjoyed Lunarcon ^ _^ !
You're videos are super helpful! Is there any chance you could do a video covering most used/useful chat commands?
I think the best thing to help PvP grow would be to introduce new frontlines with only 2 Grand Companies not the standard 3, give us dueling rings in each major city ( the Colosseum in Ul'Dah would be a neat place to watch players fight it out, can even have player hosted tournaments and betting for spectators) and more glamour sets (including weapons) the lack of weapons to go along with the last armor set in SB was a big let down
Sounds like the new mode! Let us hope
Hey Zepla! Great vid :D I would love to see PvP get more support. By the way, the link to Brian Ricardo's discord server is invalid. Just thought I'd let you know.
discord.gg/pvprevival !
I got into Rival Wings a lot for event token farming. I liked it a lot. Then I tried Frontlines and while It was more hectic, I had fun. I still haven't done the feast yet but it looks like a lot of fun. I can see why people don't like it, but now that I'm caught up with the MSQ PVP is one of the things I want to spend more time with. I didn't realize he ran revival, he is super friendly. I mentioned it a few times and he was trying to get me into the discord (which I joined). Pretty dope. Will need to learn more
I do it for xp and Tails, but I am trying to improve every time I play. I am actually really beginning to enjoy it. A welcome break from the MSQ grind.
"People should try everything for themselfes..."
Word.
Problem is that alot of people get into it with negative expectations so those just become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Yeah the amount of times you try to tell people to do the objective and tehy just flat out say its pvp who cares... Like everyone that's having fun here cares? They just come straight in with the mindset that they don't care if they win or lose, they don't want to learn their class, or the game mode.
@@poolemon9016 yeah, im certain going to pvp, with screwed default UI, that covers 70% of screen and skills that are working completely differently, is due to "people not learning the game".
@@Mardukson How is it not? That's like saying people going into a raid without looking at any of they skills is the game's fault. You have to specifically go and unlock pvp and it gives you new hotbars and everything before you even queue up. it hardly throws you in the deep end regarding that. Plus you need to be level 30 to unlock it. Who hasn't adjusted their UI settings by that point? You're literally proving my point by just blaming the game because you're too lazy to look up the rules of a competitive gamemode.
@@poolemon9016 by default, UI adjustments, doesn't show PvP "view" - how are you supposed to adjust them, without seeing them first, ie, most players joining the pvp mode (example: god damned party bar in the middle of screen)
I'll draw comparison to Wow - yes, scream that I didn't use dispell, as mage, coz i never had a need to use it before
@@Mardukson I mean it uses pvp actions, so as soon as you go to wolves den to unlock it you lose all your buttons and they are replaced with pvp actions. You can't queue up without seeing that and thinking maybe you should rebind your keys. It's the same as when you unlock your job and your hotbars change entirely. There's no button to press or UI adjustment it's automatic. The alliance UI might not be in the best place but I'm fairly sure most people decide to make it even bigger than the default, especially healers.
There's like 12 buttons in pvp how/why would you ever go in without looking at what they do?
this gets me motivated to try out the different modes, I do remember the feeling of being an unkillable healer in frontline roulettes, so getting to experience It in smaller scale PvP battles shall be fun
I just did my first frontline. I felt like a badass running through the enemy team not dying as a tank. I have no idea what the goal was other than poke crystals, but we won. I have no idea if i did good or not but it was fun.
I started doing daily frontline two or three days ago for glam, but found myself frankly loving it.
This is the third time in my life I'm enjoying a PvP game - and I certainly did not expect that going into FF14.
Definitely my favourite thing about PvP is the job design - it is much more, for lack of a better term, *concise* than in PvE. And while some jobs are very different due to their PvE incarnations being either impractical in the gamemode (Black Mage, who got a whole bunch of instant casts) or using unsupported mechanics (Scholar and Summoner, specifically), all that I've tried are *fun.* Astrologian's cards are a 20% damage boost (lord) or reduction (lady), lilies bloom every 10 seconds and regen is rolled into lily heals, Gunbreaker's Aurora is a 3000 potency upfront heal with 15 seconds of 600 potency regen on a 15 second cooldown (what the hell), tanks have a *lot* of healing from damage, Dancer has 3 charges of En Avant and procs Fountainfall and friends with En Avant... everything is fun to play!
(maybe except summoner, that one is just bloody weird)
sage is going to have a field trip in PVP
i don't play PVP outside of frontlines because i find it intimidating but i think i might give it a try now. this was a great video! i love hearing from players/content creators that are dedicated to niche content in this game. i hope you feature more interviews like this in future videos!! :D
Thank you for talking about this part of the game, the more love it gets the better.
that god feeling you get when the whole team is focusing on you and you cant die is the same feeling i got when i used to play my resto druid back in WoW, HOTS BABY HOTS
*Gets Excog, Barrier and 4 types of Regen*
A'HM FOOCKIN' INVINCINBLE!
i always felt that without being able to actually talk to each other i have a really hard time with pvp, i dont know if i do things right or wrong and there is no way i can be given feedback by my teammates
We used to be able to talk but people would be toxic. With the current way FFXIV works, I don't think talking in the Feast would work out well.
Sadly, you just have to use outside sources or post match conversations to get feedback.
Tried frontlines years ago when it came out, the whole pvp system felt like an after-thought that was tacked on similar to how FFXI's pvp was. So after trying only 1 or 2 matches I never went back in. I might have to give it another try though.
The problem with old PvP pre-Stormblood is that it was "balanced" around PvE skills and equipment. So you could silence spam mages, go invincible, or do absurd burst. With Stormblood's launch the two systems are completely separate.
It's much different now
"It Burn's when I PvP" xD
I was heavy into Frontlines when the Garo armor sets were available. Nowadays I drop in every now and then to make progress towards some glamours I want much more laid back schedule. PVP music though is always fire and a plus to returning to it.
Myself and my buddies are all 2.1k+ EXP from WoW. We all had taken in extremely serious. No we weren't R1 but I feel our opinion still holds true. We are having FUN with ff14 pvp. It is not just outright bad. It has its moments both good and bad, but it has alot of what WoW pvpers have been asking for and it is rewarding. it really is worth giving a shot. PLEASE join us in the PvP community
Ricardo is not a dancer anymore , he got caught by FF14 PvP :o
I farmed pvp for a haircut and honestly it was pretty fun. Feast especially, there's something really enjoyable about having the whole team dash at someone at the same time and mash cooldowns to destroy them. One thing I think would work perfectly with this would be a moba like game mode, where you keep the spirit of feast engagement but add mobs and positions to control / leveling. The game has all the systems pretty much already created for something like this to get produced, I don't think they'll ever put enough money into pvp to do something like this but I could totally see it being successful.
I LOVE PVP in this game, especially Frontlines, dopamine hits when you get battle high 5 and just blast everyone is amazing.
(I'm addicted tho so I uninstalled today and I'm sad, but everyone just go and try PVP its a lot of fun)
Hey hope you can get your addiction under control so you can come back.
PvP need a overhaul reworked competitive and more Rewarding.
My strat for frontlines roulette is go in as a healer and stay far enough behind the party that the enemies in front are out of range, and basically just follow the group around. Get ambushed, die, respawn, repeat until its over. How you actually perform doesn't really matter since you get the daily wolf marks bonus regardless.
I subscribed to his channel. I'm still really new baby, not even max level but I do plan on trying PvP eventually. We're from WoW (pre-scandal) and my husband loves PvP, it's actually how we met so regardless of anything I would be trying it anyway.
Thanks for this video. Frontlines used to be less casual when we had 24 man. I think slaughter (arr) and seize were peak FL. Not having to hold objectives makes the matches less strategic.
NOO!! the link for the discord is broken or not working for me :( I really need to find a PvP community! Great vod too!
I really really like the player interviews you do ❤️
I used to queue daily for Frontline back in the weeks leading up to Shadowbringers. I had fun for a while, including one run where I saw a lone enemy dragoon running from another enemy team. I ran up alone and stunned the dragoon before running away back to my team as the group descended on the dragoon. I felt bad but it was hilarious. Though, getting stomped in daily Frontlines by an organized team who did nothing but crush players and ignore their own objective (and win) was very disheartening. I've been wanting to go back and try it out, farm flor some glamour and the mount from Onsal Hakair but lately I haven't wanted to
Mind blowing that people always make preconcieved notions without giving things a try. Glad you gave this content the treatment it deserves Zepla! :D
@scott overholt For sure, but that doesn't make ff14 pvp trash. It just makes it not as good as other games that are built around pvp and most of what you listed are open world pvp :P
FF14 is by its core a pve game. So if people are looking for that kind of experience, then obviously not for them. If they are looking for a mix of pve and pvp i'd say its not bad at all.
Also because the pvp skills are separate from pve skills its like 100% easier to balance pvp. Verse games who are constantly struggling to keep the balance (eyeing you ESO).
I am a huge fan of pvp. I wish they didn't randomize your affiliation for Frontline a and I also wish more people wanted to do rival wings it's my favorite pvp!
You used to be locked in to your Grand Company, but then people started to stack the team really hard. 1 team would always dominate because the better players would join it, never giving the others even a slim chance at winning. It would also happen that 1 of the GC's would just have way less players that did PvP, so queues could be really long on the off-hours
Going to try it soon. Love it.
Pvp has some amazing glams, and I'm not just talking about Feast. If you have maxed out wolf marks, you need to go to the vendors. Kitsune glams, techno Allagan healer, nue and oni glams. "Chef kiss".
You should turn your mic volume up just a tad because I cant hear you if I'm playing and watching at the same time xD
Special type of gear, capture the flag, hold the site and last man standing with different maps to play it on. WoW has this down with modes, but they lack new content.
PVP is so fun. It took me a minute to understand the flow, but I once I got into it, I got mad competitive.
What’s his pvp discord link? I love frontline but haven’t tried feast, I’d love to get into more pvp.
@Zepla HQ The link to the PvP Revival Discord is expired. Is it possible to put a non-expiring link?
2:10 Frontline Roulette is probably one of the main reasons why Frontline is alive and also has one of the best exp rewards. You can get around 40%-50% exp of your level vs the 10%-20% you get from Dungeon Roulette.
I think it's incredibly important that there *not* be dedicated PvP staff. Having seen lots of popular games with unpopular PvP try that in the past, what ends up happening is essentially a death sentence. The rest of the team will cease to feel *any* obligation to care about PvP in any way. It'll be the responsibility of the PvP "team" (usually one or two people) rather than them.
It's not something that the main team can just shove off onto somebody who cares or PvP will *never* receive the support from squenix that it needs. Half-assing it will only result in a ton of disappointed players.
Side note, as a glamour hunter, you're 100% on about the lackluster Feast rewards. My options are going turbo tryhard at least an hour a day for a full season to *possibly* get rewards (though on Aether that's a very small chance) or just give up on feast rewards. Rather than a structure that has rewards for everybody with some special goodies for the best of the best, the current Feast rewards amount to an absolute ton of stuff for a grand total of 400 (500?) people and nothing for anybody else. You cannot sustain an MMO PvP community off of less than half a thousand players.
@ZelphaHQ, I watched /listened to your previous LS with Asmon and Rich. I need to say that yes there has been points in the game where I damn near cried. Gais arc was one of the most painful things I have have ever watched (As a soldier) that shit hurt alot. "The Black Wolf" become hero? That side quest hit me in the feels for real....