I once healed a tank who died to Doom in the Sunken Temple of Qarn and advised me to take some time and read what my spells do. He had the burger king crown btw.
It's actually amazing how many mentors are garbage players. I got my full crown recently and honestly feel like I should hide it because of the stigma. The whole mentor system needs an overhaul
@@Corvus7159 Or keep the crown and be that alright mentor who just does their job to a good degree and/or helps sherpa during hurdles. I mean lowkey, if a player can't see past that and only lives by "lolmentor" and "lolsprout", probably not the best players to want to associate with anyways to take off your burger king crown for to avoid the stigma.
They need to remove all rewards from mentor system and change the crown to something like a grad hat, watering can, or apple. Make it so only people who want to mentor will bother. Mentors dont need to be good at the game but basic knowledge is something they should have. I Am decent at the game and have more than basic knowledge of it, and thus I help people and use the crown. I just wish it wasn't a crown. not even a burger CUL recipe, if I'm gonna have a crown I want to hand out burgers.
I run into this far more often than I want with sprout tanks in the early dungeons. I try to explain to them (as their healer) that the sprout DPS with us is only level 16, 18, 20, whatever and doesn't have AoE (because it's a ROG and an ACN, for instance), so if they try to make big pulls, I'm going to have to spend all my time healing them instead of DPSing. Which means all those big fights are going to take much longer than they should. But they can't understand that. They can't understand the math. All they can understand is "Hur hur hur big axe go BRRRRRR". It makes a WHM sob. XD
totally agree, i'm a new player, started a month ago in the big wave. Myself I will not go into a dungeon or trial without at least looking at a video first to at least know what to expect and have a rough idea of the mechanics.
For me the worst are the non sprouts who run into traps in Palace of the Dead and just keep running when they have a few percent HP, and just attack the whole party when anyone points out what they just did. Zepla hinted at them. Ff has a lot of players who think the world revolves around them and that they are perfect and everyone else are idiots.
@@heldrin4968 Instanced content has to be played by people before there is any sort of guide to study, and that means the first people to play it play it blind. Does it occur to you that going in blind is how it is intended to be played?
Well, Haurchefant may not have taught us how to slidecast, but at least he showed us what happens if you eat a tankbuster without cooldowns. Still counts as a learning experience.
@@DreamEnX If you're casting something, as soon as there is only 0.5 seconds left (+/- a bit depending on your connection) you can move without interrupting your cast. Since it finishes playing your casting animation while you're moving around it looks like you are sliding around on ice.
I'm pretty bad at just about everything. I'm disabled, older, and slow to learn and react. Usually if I have to get through content I let people know and ask if they prefer that I drop out, because I'm not even good enough to make it through that first ShB dungeon with my Trust (keep trying, keep dying at the last boss). I used to raid Mythic in WoW, but it took me years to find a team of people who were nice and patient with my limitations. I tried really hard for them and even managed to get orange parses from time to time, but the reality of it is that I was more often than not just a carry, irrespective of all the videos, add ons, raidbots, logs, min-maxing. I appreciate the XIV community so much because I have never once been kicked or asked to leave, or whispered mean things because of my performance. To the contrary, people have been so unexpectedly accommodating since I made the switch back in BFA when ShB dropped. In these few years I have played the game, I only had one tank mention that my dps output was low, and he wasn't even a jerk about it. Still, I hate to be a burden, which is why I try to avoid current group content. I'd like to think that XIV has something for everyone, even for us bad players. Plenty of things to do out in the world, even if we miss out on glamours, minions, and mounts. Maybe a few expacs from now!
You're not a bad player at all. In fact, as long as you're communicating and willing to try, I'd rather have you in my group ANY DAY than some impatient jerk whose only interest is getting through the content as fast as possible.
To be frank that kinda sounds like you're a bit hard on yourself because of your experiences in WoW. Most players, especially in a less competitive kind of MMO, are probably more on your general level than you might think. And thats okay because the vast majority of the content is designed around that. Maybe a dungeon will take 10 minutes longer to finish with low dps but bosses with enrage or dps check mechanics are rare and pretty forgiving. As for your Trust example, oddly enough that format can actually be more difficult than running the dungeon normally, since if you die the fight instantly resets. With players you can be ressed or they might just be able to finish the fight without you. Trust NPCs eliminate the risk of other players messing up (99% of the time anyway, they do mess up occasionally), but they also don't have the ability to cover your own mistakes.
" (keep trying, keep dying at the last boss)" So here's the secret. Bosses are actually harder on trusts, and not in a fun or fair way. The reason is very simple--you have to do all the mechanics you would with a team, but if you die, that's it that's a total wipe, no matter what--and the boss lasts a loooooot longer, which means you see more mechanics, which increases the chance you'll fail and die. In a group, it dies quicker, and a mistake you make is easily recoverable with a raise.
Yeah, it takes me a little while to react, too. People say that sprouts shouldn't watch guides, but I HAVE to watch guides to have some idea of what's coming.
I was worried about being "bad" so before every dungeon I just looked on youtube for a guide (usually about 3-4mins long) gives you an overview of what to expect. In hindsight I probably didn't need to, but it gave me peace of mind and lowered stress before dungeon.
You absolutely don't need to, if I see a new player in a duty I'm totally expecting them to eat mechanics left and right and that's fine. I would never expect anyone to spoil themselves by looking up guides in advance, but of course only you know what's best for you. I can definitely understand the anxiety with experiencing new content, especially if it's older stuff most other people already know like the back of their hand.
I don't watch guides before going into a new dungeon just for the new experience. Never had real problems, if we wiped, there were no hard feelings and it didn't take long to learn the fights. That's just dungeons, though.
One time when progging E7s, we had a rando dancer that kept talking shit the entire time, criticizing everyone for the smallest things. I and the other healer got it worst as they kept blaming us for their numerous deaths, despite them - again, a dancer, the most mobile job in the game - taking avoidable damage and standing in stuff the whole time. We eventually got sick of it, and one of our tanks pointed out that they weren't using Improv during phase transitions (for non-dancers, it boosts healing and quickly builds the gauge for their strongest attack.) Not only are phase transitions in that fight surprisingly beefy, they responded with: "Why would I, my gauge is full." Short version, you pretty much never let your gauge fill, which is especially true on dancer, since the resource fills naturally by just playing as intended, so they had been capping their gauge every pull and not using it. Four simultaneous facepalms across three countries and two continents happened right then. Fortunately, they didn't stay long. tl;dr, the difference between low performance and being bad is how much of an asshole you are about it.
@@TheDaxter11 I wait until it's at around 80 before using a Saber Dance. That way, I know I will at least have 1 or 2 Saber Dances for my Tech Step burst window, or have a spare one to use when any other party buff is up. But I always make sure it never fills up all the way so I don't waste any gauge.
I’ve had refugees come in saying they have healed for 19 years and that it wasn’t their job to do dps as a healer. We paused the dungeon to tell them that they did in fact need to dps even as a healer. We were super polite and lucky enough the player was willing to listen to what we were saying. They went form standing still just casting cure 1 to using all their abilities including DoTs, HoTs and more. This however feels like the exception rather than the norm.
I've been healing in FFXIV for several months now... and I want to know where you people find the time to cast damage spells. If I'm not casting heals constantly (My poor poor MP), the tank is dying. Or running off in search of more prey if the tank sees me even glance at my damaging spells...
@@SnowyRVulpix Maybe in early sub-lv. 50 dungeons, damaging may pose an issue with trash packs from the lack of aoe. Anyway, the secret is to plan ahead - healing and attacking proactively. This means you plan 2 or even 5 steps ahead while you're still casting a spell. Every time you cast Cure II or throw Stone, you have around 2.5 seconds to critical think and plan when and where to use abilities
@@SnowyRVulpix Sounds like your gear may not be good enough. Whenever I'm struggling to keep a tank alive, it's because my gear is too low. Depending on what level you're at, you might want to go buy some new gear from vendors, or check out the tomestone gear that's accessible to you. As a healer, keeping your gear up where it needs to be will make your healing life much easier. You SHOULD be having time to dps!
I know this is an old comment, but I am sure you learned about Duty Support, which should be completely added in 6.5 with the post-Stormblood dungeons. (Main Scenario dungeons only, though.) The bots are guaranteed to never get hit by mechanics in the ARR MSQ dungeons and trials.
For me as a controller player the biggest improvements have come from figuring out effective cross-hotbar binds - where to place abilities and to remember where they are. That is just practice. As a dragoon it pays to be immediately on it. Not to mention it's kinda embarrassing to accidently hit elusive jump and have to run back to where you were.
From a fellow controller player - heck yeah. I think I would’ve quit the game if I didn’t look up guides online (shoutout to Work2Game) because sorting out your HUD layout is so important. Finding what works for you to play the game comfortably
I put backflips/gap closers on my second bar, usually R2+circle for that very reason. I'd recommend having your second bar visible and use the double tap L2/R2 function if you aren't, it takes a few duties to get used to but oh man is it comfortable.
I personally prefer the LB+RB, RB+LB cross WXMB, having a general template helps too. Most of my burst skills are on my directional button binds since I know I’ll be stationary using them (hopefully), buffs are also directional. Buttons that need to be used on the fly or in motion are on the ABXY binds, and I usually have a few potions like super ethers on hotbar 8 so I can swap with a bumper quickly, pop it, then switch to my main bars. Controller play is so challenging in highend it really helps hammering out a rough idea when you play every role
I don't usually get advice as a healer, but when I do, it's from someone who fails to dodge mechanics and makes me heal more than I would if they dodged properly
Can't wait to experience this in savage trials and more.. Dungeons worked finde so far but I've had the occasional black mage refusing to move and some very confused dragoons.. I know that their animation locks are way less bad then they were but it's somehow still always the dragoon that gets all the spanking from every boss mechanic lol..
All raiding is deception, the gatekeepers pretend to be not toxic assholes, but indeed they are deceptive goons who just want to ruin the fun of others. Know your enemy and know yourself, know that your enemy may well be skilled, but also know that you yourself are as worthy of doing content as they are, and you will at least be morally victorious even if the community rots and game withers from it.
I'll not lie, I'm a bad player. I watch guides I take pointers but jeez there's just so much stuff going on. I feel age is not on my side, 10 years ago I was a hardcore raider, today my reaction times are lower and I panic a lot easier. I'm still new to this game, and while I never expect to be cutting edge here, I do feel there's a place for me unlike other games.
there is, no need to do ultimate raids and stuff unless you wnat to. I play ff pretty socially and still have fun helping others through their msq duties, mount farms etc.
Don't feel bad. I have a very hard time understanding mechanics even in the 4 mans at times. I'm just not good with patterns , especially with all the spell effects turned on
I never ever thought I'd enjoy the dungeons in the game. When I started, I considered them this obstacle I had to endure to play through the story. I had a lot of anxiety about being bad, especially since this is the first MMO where I am doing group content. Now I'm reaching the end of Shadowbringers and I not only occasionally do dungeons just for fun but am considering joining some harder content when I reach max level. So if you too are anxious about being bad or letting people down in dungeons or trials.. just keep pushing through. The only way to get better is practice - keep doing dungeons and trials and you can improve and maybe even start enjoying it more than your anxiety tells you that you will.
I'm an older gamer and it takes me a while to get the mechanics down, that's why I don't do EX or savage content. But once I do get them down I generally do pretty well, with a mistake here and there of course.
it's got nothing to do with age though. unless you're over 65? No judging if you are though. it has a lot more to do with your mental state and health and how well you can focus, which is something that can change drastically for people of all ages.
@@zeehero7280 As someone who's aging, Nah, it has a lot to do with age. We really lose a lot of reaction-time with age. I can do Extremes, but no savages!
as others have said, don't you worry about age or lack of experience on the content itself, people in this game are more than open to actually give you the necessary hints and information to do what needs to be done. Heck, just yesterday I had the world of darkness daily alliance raid, our tank was new and clearly nervious about it, but with his performance and our explanations he was the best of the three tanks by far, even if the other two were pulling while people were watching cutscenes or plain out facing the boss where the raid was, he did really well, and even if that wouldn't have been the case, it's totally fine to take your time with the mechanics, all of us have done so in the past.
I remember when Sam first came out. I jumped on that Sam train real quickly. Oh boy. That quest was a god damn gatekeeper. Then there is the fishing one at like lv 60.....
Before even watching the video my answer to this was "attitude". You can be bad if you level. You can be bad if you boost. You can have played this game since 2.0 launch and still perform bad. The only difference is your attitude towards learning and improvement. With fights, with roles, with groups. Attitude is number one.
I wanted to make a crass joke - such as declare, "SIMP!" as is popular among the young folks these days - but you're absolutely right. She really is helpful and informative. Also she's rocking a Minfilia look hella strong which just _exudes_ mentor vibes.
@@SapphireDragon357 I find it totally valid since it's about the original comment's topic. You're the one asking stuff that is totally irrelevant, white knight
Yo. I hate those solo instance duties. There's always some corny mechanic I miss because I couldn't keep up with what the NPCs were saying in their tiny little text bubble that move too fast. And there's no type of updating duty info. I usually gotta look up a guide & find out "ohhhh. I'm supposed to spam Esuna on these NPCS, that don't appear in my party list - so I had no clue they were getting a duty-failing debuff." -_- God. And then in Shadowbringers, I have to play as a job I've never played - when it made me play Thancred or whatever. Or I have played the job & the hotbar is scuffed. UGH
Also in my experience as a sprout with no past MMO experience, even listening to guides of "how to play" will sound like you have no chance at becoming "good", so it might look super intimidating, but you just have to play the game, the higher your level, the more buttons you get, the more your job flows and you start to understand what the "how to play" guides are talking about, especially since most of them will talk about things you have no idea how they work (Bahamut and Phoenix from summoner comes to mind) until you are very high level.
I feel like this is especially true for healers! Like, I remember being a sprout healer and feeling bad about not being able to DPS constantly without the tank dying. But the thing is, at low levels, you're missing so much of your toolkit, including a lot of the oGCD heals that allow high-level healers to spend so much time DPSing. So of course you're going to spend more time healing, especially since the tank and DPS are also missing half their toolkits. I do think something that gets missed a lot when people give advice is that "optimal" play is pretty much not going to be possible until you reach max level, so it's better to familiarise yourself with the game and the tools you do have available to you as you level.
Just read your tooltips. You dont really need guides most of the time unless its for specific ex and savage fights. And if the optimal rotation eludes you
Ok so omg that’s me. I normally play rpgs like Diablo or poe. Just got into ff14 playing white mage Sounded fun and is fun but holy shit the amount of knowledge you need for a mmo is crazy and overwhelming.
@@yoshikagequeen4708 great advice especially for a new player. And especially if you have bad tanks while playing whm who pull a lot and then blame you and making you think your bad at the game. I’m a sprout and started with white mage. I feel this lol
At the end of the day this is a video game and I feel like people but themselves under too much pressure, me included, to be perfect within their role. As long as people are receptive, listen and want to have fun it shouldn't matter how "good" or "bad" you are, they are loose definitions. As you day, just have fun, be kind, and enjoy and that's what the game is all about.
I remember the first time I wiped my group in Sunken Temple of Qarn... I felt so bad I left the group and logged out... 2nd time I tanked it, the group helped me out by explaining the mechanics - and we survived :-) Now I pay it back to those new to tanking or the game in general. I think that was the time I started to "not play badly"
This dungeon nearly made me quit the game as a sprout tank. I was so embarrassed of myself. Thankfully, the next dungeon I ran there was a mentor who was super kind and helpful, thanks to that guy I kept playing, I wish I had kept his name.
Just remember, the greatest of us have failed more times than most others have tried to do something in the first place. Failing is fine. It's normal. It's natural. Why? Because it's how we learn. But we have to be willing to learn. In the words of Stephen Hawking... “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” Keep it up Sprouts! You can do this! Especially with the Bun Squad at your back. :D
My first Sastasha back in 2013, I was a Conjurer and I didn't realize that not everybody could heal themselves. So when we went in, I just focused on keeping myself alive, and then when the tank died almost immediately, I was like, "hey how come you didn't Cure yourself...?" Hahaha, it gets worse. Much later in early Heavensward, I was a pretty awful bard too. I was in a party with Xeno in party finder randomly for Ravana EX. I was so bad at juggling both bowmage and the fight that I was just a mess: dying constantly, awful dps, barely keeping up with the mechanics due to shaking. And when someone in Xeno's chat was like "dude, you need to get this bard outta here," I knew I had really messed up, and I left the party feeling really stupid and ashamed. But hey, it's okay. I kept at it, and got better. Went through 3 different statics from Heavensward to Shadowbringers, finally landing on one that I truly vibed with. And now I've cleared all three Ultimates on various jobs and fully cleared every raid tier since Stormblood's release. But like anything in life, I had to go through all those rough moments to achieve the level of mastery I feel I've truly earned now. You stand where you stand by virtue of the road you walked to get there.
As someone who's several months into the game and just getting into savage content, it was encouraging to read about your own journey thru FF14. Thanks for sharing and being an inspiration to others!
This was a great story. I’m glad you’re still playing this game and found a static that you vibes with. I wish the game and community were more forgiving in terms of the kind of play styles and skill level people come in with initially, everyone expects everyone else to be in the know and understand how the game runs when that isn’t the case all the time.
Ah I see you are a fan of the superior non trinity style games? me too but FFXIV does the trinity thing well and is just polished and well cared for, so despite such obsolete flaws and design I still love it.
@@Dharengo This is why I consider xeno a terrible player. he may be really good at warrior but he will never be a good player until he learns to stop being an ass.
Generally you should not olay harder content with random players it ends many times in toxicity play with people you know alot and a willing to wipe and learn thats all
Is this a big thing? When I first came to the game a month or so ago I discovered I could do this real early on and figured it might be useful. But then I went melee and didn't think about it anymore.
For casters it can add up, but it’s not super important to remember all the time unless youre on the highest difficulties. It’s mostly optimization/making the game more fun to play because youre not stuck in one spot so long (You can’t be expected to just be able to do it without fail unless you’ve been playing the job a long time anyway since it will mostly come down to muscle memory through repetition so no pressure)
I spent the last month leveling Dragoon, being certain that I was terrible at the job. However, once I was doing Malikah's Well and Mt Gulg being able to avoid all the AoEs in spite of the animation locks, I realized that the only thing I had to work on was using my buffs like Battle Litany. And on Bard or Ninja, I wouldn't have the same problems, because I had more experience. In short- if you're worried that you're performing badly on you chosen class, know that you'll improve with time- and that maybe learning another class could help you with the problems you're having. (I was really bad at avoiding AoEs until I leveled Bard, and I had enough mobility for it to become second nature instead of something I had to think about.)
Dodging as a Dragoon is really easy. The only times animation lock gets me is when the AOEs activate faster than I can react. I wasn't going to be able to dodge that without animation lock, so I don't worry about it.
Messing around as a Blue mage actually helped me figure out how to slide cast (somewhat successfully - more often anyway) with Black Mage. I actually got TIME to see the milliseconds go past and when to move out of AoE blast. Still haven't really got the hang of some new skills which include moving clear away, as generally I just end up back in an AoE lol. I've found I do a lot better in dungeons NOT moving around like a pseudo Samurai. BLM is pretty static; and tends to work best stuck right in the middle of the minions doing AoE's of its own - not always, but generally, in my experience (at least so far, but I'm not level 60 yet). Basically, I try my best, sometimes accidentally look pretty good, and even got 2 recommendations for 3 separate dungeons. Must have been having a good week that week lol. I just hate to be "that idiot" who stood in the poisonous green slime and didn't see everyone saying "move" because of my internet lag. (which doesn't always happen, but half a second can make a difference). Going through Prae for the first time, with all those cutscenes, was absolute hell. So much lag (must have looked like I was just standing around admiring my new nail polish or something). I was traumatized afterwards. Lol. For whatever reason, cutscenes really lag me. Sometimes I can detect my casts etc. are a little...behind what I just commanded my keyboard to do, but usually it goes okay. Lag is a real thing for some of us.
Learning DRG basics is pretty easy, the optimization of buffs and timing changes with the party comp and is the real hard part of mastering the job. really any job in the game you could play and practice for years on end and never get 100% out of it. even the jobs people think are "brain dead" are far from it, just seems that way to tiny minds.
I just leveled a DRG to 50 and I swear I felt useless for most of the group activities. Tank pulls a large group of mobs and everyone but myself are using aoe to burn them down, I'm tabbing to targets constantly trying to get a disembowel off. Boss fights were just as bad: tank pulls, I wait 2 seconds for tank agro, press 1 for TS, get the combo for Vorpal....but the boss is dead. Can't bare to see what its like with all the BLs and DB buffs added into the rotation.
I think another important consideration for folks that have been playing video games for a long time is the potential lack of inherent knowledge of games generally. I've been playing games for about 30 years now, and I often take for granted the fact that I can basically pick up almost any game I have never played before and understand what's going on very quickly, because I inherently understand how games work. Folks that don't play games, or play few games, can have a harder time picking up mechanics and may be slower to learn. There are a lot of new players to FFXIV recently and they range from people who play games all the time to people who have never touched an MMO in their life. The veteran players need to be considerate to all skill levels of player and understand that people come from different gaming backgrounds. Teaching one playing may require a different approach from teaching someone else based on their own experiences.
This is something I really need to learn. My boyfriend played like CoD growing up and then played basically just league of legends. I've been playing MMOs since I was 6 and so getting him to learn FFXIV has been challenging because things I sort of just know how to do he struggles with
I'm 57 years old and I'm fully aware my reflexes aren't what they used to be. I read my tooltips and watch guides now before using the duty finder to enter new encounters (I didn't when I first started the game and embarrassed myself over and over so decided to try to change that pattern). It's helped a lot watching those guides first. I'm not perfect and I still mess up, but sometimes I even get to kind of lead a dungeon run just by virtue of being the only one in the party that actually bothered to check out a guide first.
best way to put it I think "being a bad player is fine. staying a bad player is not" just to say, it's perfectly fine to be bad right now, just try and do better next time!
I dunno I don't really care about a "bad" player who doesn't want to learn how to play the game if they stick to the more casual content/duties but when someone simultaneously doesn't want to play their job but also feels entitled to being carried through difficult content thats when "choosing to be bad" becomes a problem imo.
I can think of at least one solo duty where you can fail because of a combination of a stupid NPC, absurdly quick AoE markers, and/or an abnormally high ilvl assumption: The level 60 RDM job quest.
I just remember one of the SCH quests was a royal pain. Probably the 60. I main RDM, but used to run SMN/SCH. That quest was a huge pain because the NPC seemed to RUN into the AoEs in the instance
@@Firebourne99 I thought so too at first, but you have to bait them away from the NPCs. They target you... the quest is not bad with poetics gear though
It's also important to not label someone as bad for not already having in depth knowledge on the game by reading/watching guides on all the game's content. Playing without guides is a very valid way of playing any game!
i've got a couple friends playing through the game who are fairly new, while I'm fully up to date on the game's content, and they just reached the end of shadowbringers, so i've started running through the nier and eden raids with them and they both practically refuse to go in blind to the raids which makes me a bit sad because i personally find blind running new raids and stuff more fun as long as i'm told of any big mechanics i can wipe the group with. it's not a big deal though, if they find it more fun to go in knowing generally what to expect that's fine
It's perfectly okay to play without guides, but then the onus is on you to ask if there's any mechanics you should know for each fight, etc. I respect the want to do things blind and not look up guides, but you also have to respect and listen to the other players in your raid/group giving you tips on how to do the fight (as long as they aren't being assholes to you about it)
@@YuYuYuna_ See here's the thing, if you want to play blind, that means you learn the mechanics from fighting, not by asking someone who knows or being told by someone who knows right before the fight so you know exactly what to do. It's different if you're being told what to do WHILE fighting. But learning on the fly what to do is perfectly valid and you shouldn't be pressured to be told everything before you get into it.
I'm am fresh sprout, started a week ago. I've watched a bunch of your videos. The healer anxiety is real for me and you have helped me. You are very wholesome and I thank you
My party almost whipped once when I was the healer, genuinely felt like trash, luckily one DPS managed to get the enemies away from me which gave me enough time to raise the tank. I'm grateful that no one talked shit to make me feel even worse
I remember I was tanking for a story dungeon I was doing the first time and a group vote-kicked after the first boss for having gear that was a few levels down from the dungeon, I was using the story gear. They complained we weren't clearing the dungeon fast enough, I immediately queue up again and ran through the dungeon faster.
I would only be upset if you have low level gear and are doing big pulls, that would be an issue. Otherwise gear isnt a problem if taken slow and understanding your gear means you take more damage. But this also means slower and end content people get impatient when queue for early dungeons. I've seen enough of dps/healers with 60 level+ pulling for tank and rushing just to get the dungeon over with not being considerate for the peoples first time and especially learning experience. I think it was these types of people just getting roulettes or "mentor" over with. That's actually one of my triggers ^^, being rushed.
I failed a lot of solo difficulty duties leveling because of my good friend whiskey and then set it to very easy because also my good friend whiskey, but I swear I'm good otherwise.
You’re lucky you are Mona-Mona, or I would have also made fun of you for saying “extreme dungeons”. lol There, Mona-chan, we all know you meant extreme trials.
Simple: I am a bad player .... but a nice mate Playing good or bad isn't the measure in ffxiv... the measure is if you have fun playing with someone 😁 ... Noone ever accused me of playing exceptional, but I always put a smile on people's faces
I was playing a simple class on WoW Demonhunter 4 buttons rotation and a bunch of free mobility/utility to get out of trouble and deal with mechanics. Just finished levelling to 80 as Samurai and it has definitely been a huge learning curve moving to it's 20 bajillion button rotation. I'm certainly nowhere near good yet but it's been fun and I'm way better than I was at the start. I think I'm probably overly conservative about mechanics, I'm not trying too hard to get that extra cast off before a dodge etc but it is awfully satisfying when things do go badly and I'm one of the last people alive. The way I see it I get more time to practise a fight if I'm still on my feet lol.
The Balance discord server is a great place to find out how your rotation is supposed to start and just experience and keep an open mind about the rotation and you’ll get the most efficient damage out of it in no time. From a SAM main.
DUDE SAME. being a new player, and getting SAM after tanks and heals is just MINDBLOWING. I was laughing like a maniac first 2 days, joking about Raiden and Vergil, and even after when i get my Samurai-Anime-Kenki stuff. I was failing simple chains for Shifu and Jinpu, catching every AOE. When lvl 71 hit, i went to finish my leveling at Bozjan Souther Front. And a got myself a fight again this wyrm whatever it's name was. And i had only one advantage, i KNEW HIS EVERY MOVE. And somehow, having a a normal full party and other 40 guys in this fight, i was the last man standing(from my party). When my ally Bard has fallen, and only one poor scholar with 2 Warriors were still in the fight, i felt fear and dread... But then, then... LB 3 SOUND RINGS. Just watching how my Character Doing Samurai LB 3 being last man(well, woman) standing, witnesing it from her shoulder... At that exact moment, i knew, Samurai ll be my beloved DPS.
Fun fact, samurai are probably the easiest of the melee jobs. That's not an insult either, samurai is the job I play when I want to relax. Well that or machinist.
I (A healer) was in this Alliance Raid ( specifically The Puppet's Bunker ), and our Tank just would *not* listen to their party trying to help them with the mechanics / positioning They ended up killing almost 90% of the party most of the time. Also the other WHM was being a glare mage so that totally wasn't helpful. -_-'
@@Jonas-qg6jw its a joke about white mages because their damage rotation is just casting glare over and over again until they need to 1. Refresh their DoT or 2. Heal someone. It's common for someone who considers themselves a glare mage to not heal party members who continually get hit by the same mechanics because "you can't heal stupid". Glare mage is basically a self depecating Meme for white mages.
What is happening to tanks in ARR alliance raids? I know there is a lot of new tanks, but it's being unbearable to get world of darkness, bc not only the tanks don't know the mechanics but also get defensive when people try to explain what they were doing wrong. This week we needed to undo a group because we died 5 times at the first boss and the problems was the three tanks with stances at the same time and the boss cleaving everybody. The worst is try to put the blame on the healers, bc your bad performance
I agree with the majority in that a "bad player" is someone with a bad attitude. But honestly, I find it hilarious and telling that while everyone's quick to point fingers at players who are mechanically lacking or unwilling to learn, there's no mention of people who are toxic towards new players for simply making a mistake when they're trying to speed run their duty roulette. I'm in no way saying that you have to put up with a bad attitude from a sprout, and I'm not saying you can't offer constructive criticism. But I've seen a lot of straight up insults, toxicity, and rage quits from veteran players and imo that makes them bad players too
I 100% agree. Thats why I make sure, if I see that attitude, I'm quick to speak up against it. Sprouts are new and a ton are coming in: let's help them out. Im still a sprout (im in Storm Blood) but I'm more than happy to provide what knowledge I have thus far and I think it makes the experience MUCH more enjoyable.
I agree. I am 36yo not that young anymore, but playing should be fun and not be taken too seriously. Sometimes in this game you don’t even see properly (Alliance raids) and i feel like I’m getting a migraine lol, but don’t take the game too seriously. You can still improve as a player all the time if you want to.
tbh, i purposefully fail some of those solo instances because they take 20 minutes on normal and i'd rather just get through the unnecessary thancred fight
Same, I really lost patience on a couple of the StB fights. There are plenty of places to get more than just competent at your job, but not right in the middle of the MSQ. Some people just play for story and don't want the stress.
I joined FFXIV about two months ago with my friend, and to keep it short, this game has since consumed my life. I love it! Ill call up my mate and we will go heal in Trials. And as a veteran main rogue/PvP-nut, I took a 180 - became a healer, and it's been delightfully stressful at times keeping people alive than the opposite. Most raids have been going smoothly, some few wipes here and there, but the group never gave up; as we all equally suck until we eventually figure it out. (My favorite being Shiva for whatever reason!) That being said... That was until we were doing The Minstrel's Ballad: Thordans Reign, last night. My god. All the accomplishment as a MMO player throughout the years just evaporated. My healing skills rendered to cheap confetti, and the feeling of shame took over and told me to uninstall the game. Entirely clenched up and with non-blinking eyes, I'm looking at the copied dumbfounded face of my friend on Discord; as we silently and mutually realize we dont know shit, are getting old and we need a nap to replenish our eyes. I will learn these mechanics, though it may take time. A little bit of my soul disappeared that day and was replaced with humility. I will acknowledge my mistakes and get through these and continue collecting items! But dear lord, that wasnt just a wakeup call, that was a earthquake.
Honestly, having the MSQ wiki pulled up then watching 4 squad gaming videos about dungeons and trials has helped me SOOOO much. Just having a heads up on the mechanics is a huge aid.
When I started playing ffxiv last year I knew literally nothing about the game or even mmo's in general. I didn't even know what "mechanics" meant, much less how to do the mechanics in any of the content. It was only because of youtube channels like this that I knew how to upgrade my class to a job at level 30, what "item level" refered to, and how to play my role at all. I'm still pretty bad, but I managed to get through the whole msq! Thanks for all the help Zepla!
I'd played FF11 before but forgot more or less everything in those 10 years out of MMOs. I had no idea what mechanics meant. Not helped by asking in the first dungeon to be told 'vroom vroom mechanics are for cars'. Complete with some admittedly cool ASCII art of a moogle in a go kart.
I still remember having to Google what DoT’s and AOE’s were because I was so lost when I started this game having never heard of it before and having no mmo experience.
Zepla must of missed that side quest where Haurchefant teaches casters how to slide cast. Its like the best quest in the game. 10/10, would watch Harchefant moonwalk again. Btw he taught physical damage players how to double weave their off gcd abilities
For me, the "bad player" is the player that, having already done the duty several times, expects everyone to have the same level of knowledge about the duty that they have, or a player that sees a sprout (me) making a mistake (also me) and doesn't give a word of advice and instead just keeps saying "bruh", "bruh, wtf", "bruh, whats wrong with you", and after one or two wipes finally tells me that I shouldn't be moving too much cause I was aggroing every mob in the area with a "bruh, stop fuckin movinh" (I swear every time this person talked, he started with a "bruh"). Being a new player, I am glad to say that my experience with the dungeons and trials is getting better as I progress through the story and unlock more of those. The unfortunate truth about this waves of players coming to FFXIV is that all the good things people say about the community are hidden behind hours and hours of progress to finally reach a point in the story that's not infested with newbies like me that doesn't know what to do, that's because the chance of you meeting a sprout in a trial during Shadowbringers MSQ is way smaller than the chance of meeting a sprout to fight Ifrit during ARR, and this affects the new player experience in a big way, that's my theory at least.
Just say that you are in that dungeon/trial for the 1st time and i would think that most players will understand and personally i dislike looking up guides unless you are planning on doing a extreme version of a fight
if im tanking and your doing your job and not pulling mobs and prepared to listen to advice learning mechanics is part of the sometimes frustrating fun of it we all have to learn i couldnt care less if players are sprouts or not !!
Well, personally in content with sprouts I may ask if ppl want advice if it's really vital for the run. However, I generally prefer to not say anything/much about mechanics to let ppl have the feeling of first experience with all its clumsiness. When I play FFXIV the default expectation for me is that I'm wasting time and relaxing, so I don't feel a need to optimize in normal content. To the contrary, some unintentional screw ups can make the run more unique and memorable. Sure, I sigh internally when healers spam medica 2 instead of appropriate heals (that don't drain their mp) and have to adjust pulls if I play as tank, sure I feel "wee here we go again" when I see tank has nq old levelling gear in f.ex. Vault as a healer, or just stare in silent acceptance when a run takes ages due to dps/others not using aoe or basic rotations. That's normal... but in many of those cases I don't really feel my advice or input would make the run any more enjoyable either. If you see those things in normal mid level normal content, chances are they won't learn even if I say anything, and I'll just spend even more time explaining for nothing and dragging the run longer. It's like seeing a player without job crystal in Stormblood content... you can't help everyone, and the journey is unique to everyone. So... for me it's like either it's not bad enough to nitpick and back seat optimize, or they give the red flags of a player that is beyond help. Oh, just want to mention this one too: wipes are ok and normal. Party wipe isn't some monster that blows up my world, at worst it costs a few gil in repairs and a few extra minutes... it's just solid feedback that says "do better".
@@vilidious most of the time i dont really care till it starts effecting the run constantly if it gets done it gets done.. ill offer some advice if where failing often or no tank stance which happens often with noobs !!
This is wholesome content!! I’m glam hunting at the moment as a Bard and honestly the practice of going through dungeons over and over has been the best help. I’m not the best player and I’m way too nervous to dip my toe into extreme stuff at the moment but practice makes better I hope :)
There are tons of guides available to help, look for The Balance discord server for tips and guides to optimize your play specific to each role/class, as well as guides for the EX fights to see what mechanics each fight has and how to handle them
Don't worry too much about EX trials, maybe do the EX trials from ARR for practice, like Garuda, Titan and Ifrit they're pretty easy to learn nowdays, a lot of mechanics are skipped because of the high dps compared to when they were current content. If you jump in you'll find that a lot of the party is like you, first time in an EX and willing to learn! Most of the time you even find someone that is willing to explain all the mechanics over and over again, don't be scared :) Maybe just watch a guide on YTB before joining, it helps! Don't overthink too much!
lotta people would do well to understand that there's relatively very little "good players only" content in this game, because lord have mercy are there so many players who misunderstand "time consuming" for "hard" it's the same in every game: the worst attitudes are always adopted by the least remarkable people
my main problem when i first started playing was tunnel vision, i'd constantly get hit because i was paying attention to my hotkeys and not the boss's cast bar it helped a lot when i moved the target castbar down to where my hotkeys were lol
I made the enemy castbar 180% in size and put it on top of my hotbars, slightly below the center of the screen. Sounds stupid, but it helped me a lot in e9s, and even more in HoH because of the interruptible casts and other mechanics where I need to see the castbar.
When I was going through my lancer's lvl 30 class quest I kept failing. I went through that fight 6 times before beating it. I couldn't figure out why I had so hard a time on it. When I got my new spear I pressed the auto equip button and saw my problem: I was still wearing level 15 gear. Turns out I was so into the game that I kept forgetting to gear. I felt so dumb.
Yeah, as a general rule in any rpg, never use the auto gear button. It screws you over more than anything else. I recently partnered with a tank acquaintance to run roulettes and they had caster accessories equipped because of auto equip
I've never had a knack for being good at games unlike my friends. So I gotta harder at improving than most. My personal skill ceiling is pretty low too. Harder content sounds fun but I don't feel like I'm missing out to too much. I have enough fun with the game as it is and people are nice.
The only time I’ve struggled on solo stuff is when there’s no healer and since I’m a black made we have literal ZERO healing for ourselves or others. Sometimes if you can’t sleep them for some reason you get overrun. But I also want to find players to talk with but it’s tough, especially on controller.
I suggest getting a keyboard just for talking. I have a usb keyboard for my PS4 for this reason alone. I love controller play, but an actual keyboard is so much better than the virtual keyboard for the necessary communication.
I remember having a moment of realization after reaching lv70 with astro, while watching a guide, that I had totally misread the ability "Divination and had been using it wrong for 20 levels... I always thought you needed to match three rather than get one of each. I hated myself for so long after that but Astro is still my main now I'm in high end 80 content and I've even been teaching my friends how to play the class as well. I always find that pointing out my own mistake to them makes them a lot more receptive of guidance because they know it's coming from someone who got to this point by failing until I got it right instead of from someone who acts perfect/pretentious about it. I'm the first to admit my own mistakes and shortcomings and I tend to listen to those who use theirs to teach other people's. So yeah, here's a reminder to people learning a new class... if something is worded a little strangely or you aren't sure when or how to use an ability you can always just look it up or ask people for help. Everyone started somewhere and not all the abilities are worded very well XD
Had a very similar thing happen to me while levelling scholar, adloquium says that if it heals "critical health" it gives a much larger shield. I was level 60 on scholar before I saw a guide online that explained that means if the ability crits, not if you heal someone from low HP. So I was using adlo completely wrong up to that point and was confused why I couldn't get the bigger shield. People say read your tooltips but I've always done that and sometimes the explanation isn't perfect or intuitive. The community is wonderful though and there are guides everywhere that explain not only what your abilities do but how you should be using them and players in game are much more likely to notice a player struggling and offer help than be mean to them.
Being bad is almost entirely about attitude and not skill. I mean, if you're joining a clear party in PF then there's an actual requirement for skill and experience. But if you're choosing to queue for a daily roulette with random players then you're choosing to play with a *gasp* random group of players of all skill levels. Sometimes this means you'll need to play "above" your comfort level but sometimes it means you'll have to play with those who are "worse" than you. You alone have the power to turn this into a whine fest, try to be a helpful leader, or just shut up for accept that your run is going to take 16 minutes instead of 12. A "bad" player is one who tries to force their way of playing on others just as much as a player who is having challenges with the mechanical aspects of the game. So, yeah, try to learn and grow. Try to play well and play better. But also try to respect the others you're playing with, whether they're "better" or "worse" than you especially if it's in random casual content that you're choosing to take part in.
_Fucking _*_THIS._* True story: I was running Qitana Ravel for glamour purposes (dat BRD bow, tho), as we had a GNB who was, as they said, "still fairly new to tanking", a SMN who made some interesting choices in Egis, but seemed to at least know what was going on. And then we had an AST. I don't know what it is about me and AST players, but I always seem to find the ones that either can't lay down effective healing and choose to bitch and complain before leaving *OR* they choose to just feel holier-than-thou and nitpick every little thing done. This person was the latter, as I'm pretty sure he started griping the *moment* the dungeon started and nitpicked *every little thing* about what the GNB and SMN did, doing little to provide constructive criticism or - if he actually *did* have something to suggest - doing it in the most condescending way possible. I am...*so* glad that the Vote Dismiss option is a thing in this game. Really lets you weed out the arrogant seeds.
I've always played tanks in mmo's, FFXIV led me to like dps jobs a lot more, cuz their playstyles are so different from each other in some way or another, i recently started playing BLM and the learning process was hard, mostly cuz my rotation differed a lot from levels 30 to 50 and then every 10 levels after, i was playing a lvl50 dungeon with a friend using his "calculator", and i was doing really low damage, so we chatted on the rotations and other mechanics that the job has, things like keeping my dot up or the transition between ice and fire phases. After a few days of learning and playing roulletes, i queue up with my friend again and my damage SIGNIFICANTLY improoved, he was very proud, and so was i, learning new jobs is scary at times, but really fun when you improove at them. Next stop is a healer job, maybe sage so i can take my time to learn instead of grinding for lvls. lmao
Hey that's how we go! For a healer, id like to point out all of the three we have feel wildly different and im willing to bet Sage will be too. Just know how you play a WHM and how you play SCH id a bit different. SCH likes to prevent damage, WHM likes to undo it, for examplr
I love Bmage, even though it gets a lot of crap for the leveling process But you're absolutely right, the rotation changes depending on which 10-tier you're working with I'm sure you've heard this a few times, but if you're picking up sage next it couldn't hurt to get some sch practice (plus it levels smn) Be warned though, sch can be truly rough to level until 45 - my *actual* advice, level smn (if you haven't) to at least 45, then take your sch practice from there (Speaking from sch as my favorite healer, those low levels...oof...)
I would recommend picking up Arcanist if you're interested in heals. It starts out as a DPS, so you get the core rotation down of weaving Ruin, Bio, Miasma together with pet abilities. Then at 30 it splits into Summoner and Scholar. Summoner is a really, really fun DPS job with a beast of a rotation at 80. But Scholar is a really enjoyable heals job, and the fairy you get as a summon will actually do 90% of the healing for you in low level dungeons, giving you more freedom. The fact that Scholar is a bubble healer means you can critically think about your heals in big trial and raid fights by pre-bubbling your group to soak raid wide damage. And since both Scholar and Summoner rely on base Arcanist for levels, they both level up together! So you can decide whether to DPS or heal that day without hurting one or the other.
Its always baby black mages who need guidance and its always nice to give it. Ive had like 5 different people say hi cus they were there for me teaching a friend of theres i had just happened to catch on a training dummy :3
I think unironically what makes a bad player in entry level content is not always just skill and dps checks, it's completely not understanding mechanics that have been forcefed to you even throughout the whole leveling experience. Running away when you got the stack above you, not moving away from groups when you've got an ability landing on you. Purposely having bad positioning, having the reaction time of a snail to the point where you can make the groups wipe purely because you are moving 2 seconds too late. It's the biggest annoyance and it just requires basic thinking and reaction time to not fail at.
Completely agree,but sometimes it happens to get hit by a mechanic bc of lag or internet issues,nontheless u should always try to get away from mechanics
After watching this I ran to Sky, Earth, Sea just to see how bad my dps really is on BRD. After consulting my abacus, I feel much better about maining BRD. My only issue is making sure my dots don't drop off. I am getting better though :)
Answering the video before watching because that's how internet works :v Bad players are the ones that refuse to read their own class skills and the game menus, and also won't listen to any advice from more experienced players.
The singular instance where I really care is when a person rejects any responsibility for achieving the bare minimum to complete the accomplishment they're trying to do with a group of players. An entitlement to how they spend their time that ironically wastes the time of 7 other people.
With 14, everyone goes on a journey. It’s the heart of this game, both with msq as well as outside of it. Bad apples will always be among us, therefore tolerance will be required. no matter how one journeys, we all strive🤗
Yeah tell me about it, im lvl 59 paladin and i still haven't reached heavensward because i constantly find different things to do in the game, currently im doing the zodiac weapon quests for the paladin but i really need to continue the main story to unlock 2-3 skills (lvl 52 to lvl 54 skills) from paladin job quests that are locked and waiting for me at "HW" (Basically i could do more DPS, but that 1 skill that replaces my 3rd combo ability as an upgrade is a "HW" skill, so until then im lacking in potential DPS and im sure that other classes might suffer from the same problem if they dont focus on doing the main quest and lvl up too quickly)
@@soldierorsomething The thing is... You would get synced to lv 50 or lower for like 95% of the content you'd do until you pass into heavensward, so those skills wouldn't be available to you outside of open-world content. the potential dps could be higher, however the content that you have access to was made without that potential DPS in mind. So, as long as you have a decent grasp of your toolkit at your disposal, you shouldn't be having issues whatsoever. The most important thing is to do what is fun for you, even if you end up over-leveled. FF14 is a journey, not a race to endgame, so try to enjoy your time going through it. :)
@@m8vg1x I surely will and thanks to the LVL boost that secondary jobs get from your main job´s LVL also helps you to level up other classes, so it would make sense to get your main job to max level since all the other jobs will get around 200-300% xp boost from it when the level difference is so high between level 1 and 80
@@soldierorsomething it's not a boost. More like an exp bonus that scales pretty flat. it's 100% exp before lv 70 and 50% from 70 to max, but that will probably be bumped up with the new expansion release to 100% until 80 and 50% to the new max. The exp bonus may not be as high, but it definitely helps with leveling alt characters when the MSQ is complete, as new game+ doesn't give exp. But, you have options such as fates, roulettes and the challenge log, as well as palace of the dead for 1-60, heaven-on-high for 61-70 and bozja for 71-80, all very good pieces of side-content in their own right.
As someone with a disability, the notion of being a "bad player" stresses me out and gives me prefomance anxiety. Im super happy that DPS meters are no-no, and that most of the community is pretty understanding and chill with the fact that I'll never be able to play as well as some others. I agree that there should be better in-game tools to help improve yourself, but also to good know your own limits and not insist that everyone should perform to savage raiding standards in less difficult content. I might do savage again, but only in a casual sense =) I do love the large number of different difficulty content. Savage was just stressful and not fun for me, but EX trials (or whatever the equivalent is called these days, as I'm a returning player) just hits the sweetspot in difficulty vs feelings of mastery and accomplishment =)
There are definitely bad players, as there are learning, and okay players. The bad one? Are more than often people that believe they are the best and don't need improvement. You can ALWAYS improve, even after 8 years, I'm still learning!
I mained RDM after I was able to unlock it. And I thought I was pretty good. Managed my mana and ressed teammates. Til I did Titan Savage (E4S). It was unlocked by then (I think) and two of my friends taught me all the savage fights up until that point. We did a couple of practise fights until we saw enrage then they thought I was ready for a "Kill for Friend". Spoilers I was not. Made a group, it filled pretty quickly and as soon as it started someone posted their twitch link. Turns out they were a streamer with like 200ish people watching. And we failed.......ALOT. I screwed up in phase 1 alot but was slowly getting better. But we only saw phase 3 a couple of times before dieing. I was curious so I went on the streamers twitch and the first thing I heard was "This RDM is trash!". Turns out my damage was worse than both tanks and even one of the healers was on par with my damage. I confronted my friends who said I was a decent RDM and they admited that they've been carrying me through the content and thought they would be good enough to get me through Titan. I was furious! Apparently it was too much of a hassel to teach me important things like rotation, gear and materia. "You could of looked it up yourself." Yeah let me look up thing I didn't know existed! Went back to the twitch channel and even wrote in chat "Hey your favorite RDM here, what can I do to improve." The streamer said that "I had alot of.....spheres to just announce myself on chat like that after he ripped me a new one live infront of 200 people. But what the heck." He gave me some basic tips about the fight. I had some materia on me and while reseting the instance I bought some food and pots. I was still bad but it was enough. In the end we spent 10 Hours in total slogging through and eventually got the kill. Even saved the run by pulling off some clutch raises. It changed FFXIV for me forever. I was called trash and in the end I was happy for it. Been doing savage ever since.
Maybe they should just have told you what you were doing wrong instead of calling you trash. Because you clearly weren't. Trash is someone who's stuck in their ways. Not someone who makes a bunch of mistakes while being completely unaware of it with no one to tell them. Still not as bad as those friends of yours who took you into savage while knowing your gameplay could use some improvements. Don't get me wrong. Out of curiosity, if your damage was _that_ bad, what was the key thing you were doing wrong? Was it the ABC? Inefficient use of Embolden? Not using your cooldowns off cooldown? Something else? All of the above?
I've recently started RDM, I think what I'm struggling with the most is one a crippling fear of displacement, so I miss out on a bit of dmg there, using corps a corps more, and timing my melee and embolden better. Come from dancer too, so despite being a quick caster I still feel less mobile in comparison, so upkeep probably needs some work whilst doing mechanics, essentially I guess just knowing content a little better will help with most.
@@Dharengo yes. mind you i didn't know much of rotation at all so figuring out when to use embolden during crit phases or timing manafication correctly I learned after that fight. I don't mind him calling me what i was at the time. In his view I was some random who thought I was good when I clearly wasn't.
@@Niki-xx6je I get that feeling and you're not a rdm until you backflip to your death atleast 5 times. Not my fault it's the rules. Also once I got engagement I just switch it out if I know the areas are too tight.
@@nhahtrebor91 i main redmage and have been since e4s, its really easy to fuck up with rdm because it is the lowest damage dealing caster in the game currently. its also really damaging when redmages dont read their tips at level 80 because reprise is actually useful when you need to move and have yet to optomize your rotation in a fight. best way to use displacement is to just dont be afraid to go "inside" the hitbox, 9/10 chances you did you will never fall off form the stadium.
i read my job skills description, i'm watching guides, i take all advices i can, but... i'm still bad at my job, so... yeah. Trust system save my pleasure to play, and i really, really enjoy this game again^^"
Bad players are the ones who buy clears. Honestly though, at least watch a guide before you do extreme or savage content before joining one in a party finder, just to know what you should expect.
so, you're saying becuase I am not bad, I'm never going to get clears on a lot of stuff I had wanted badly to, due to the gatekeeping asshats who are in charge of basically every raid static even ones advertised as "Casual" or "sMC"? I tend to agree. I've always put in max effort and while I'm not going to be speed clearing or doing world first progs, I've always been able to do my part or more to clear. People have been demanding more and more for things that you do not need to clear, numbers far higher than actually needed. I will bother logging into FFXIV when the dominant raid mentality is back to being "Performance is practice+effort+time" and people stop gatekeeping based on subpar logs before you even get a chance.
To be fair on the point of solo duties, there are a couple that are challenging for new players on normal. The level 50 samurai job quest comes to mind.
I got no sense of orientation so I failed a duty or two because of that. Also took me several tries in the LV 80 tank role quest duty as a PLD due to me taking my sweet time to figure out mechanics.
great advice from Zepla is always appreciated. my fear is that a comment section like this is overestimating the number of "willfully" ignorant players. maybe or maybe not, It just doesn't feel good seeing that disabled gamers have to self identify just to avoid getting harassed. nobody likes a white knight, but fact is the only "real" difference between a player who is bad out of ignorance or out of circumstance is your perception and attitude towards them. not that I disagree with the consensus, I just insist on putting out a contrarian viewpoint.
There seems to be a rising current in the game that labels people as bad and then blames them for it, saying they are choosing to be bad. It's sad to see someone like Zepla add to that sentiment because people are using it to harass others.
I had this healer main who was tanking at the time that got really angry that I was healing and dps'ing . He wanted me to only heal and not dps. At some point I had enough of his moaning so I let him die on purpose and raise him immediately and fully healed him and kept everyone alive and pretended I just pressed the wrong button. He didn't realise I did it on purpose and instead lost it and started pointing out that this was the reason I was supposed to only heal and not dps 🤣🤣🤣 Also once when Shadowbringers just came out I was leveling whm in one of the new dungeons. Just spam running the same dungeon. Did like 4 runs with different tanks. Went well. Had fun with no issues. Than on my 5th run had a drk as a tank that wanted to pull as much as possible and only kept using the darkest night for defense. Also their gear was pretty bad for the dungeon we were doing. I struggled so hard to keep this person alive. Had no openings at all to dps less this tank died. After the first pull the tank and one of the dps who I guess was his friend started accusing me of being a bad healer and not dps'ing and just being a bad healer. We do another pull. All my big healing spells are on cooldown still. Tank pulls every mob before the boss. We die. We go in again. I have my big spells again. Tank pulls again I had to fully focus on healing this horrible tank to keep them alive. They start moaning again about me not dps'ing after the pull and they kick me at the first boss. I queue up for the same dungeon. I got a pld. This pld knows what he is doing. The whole dungeon. No issues. I had alot of opportunities to dps and I did and was having fun again. After the run with the pld I queued again and I got a drk. This drk just like the pld, knew what he was doing. No issues the whole dungeon . I was healing and dps'ing and having fun. It was obvious after those two runs who the real bad player was 😁
The only time I ever got angry at a healer who was “healing and DPSing” was when it led to me getting killed. They were doing the bare minimum with their healing and it kept getting the party wiped for no reason. I’m a healer main and I get that DPSing is part of the role, but keeping the tank alive SHOULD come first. That’s the only time. Lol.
You have an unhealthy godcomplex. Plese seek other outlets then ruining other players day. Healers have the biggest decisionmaking-power and with great power, you tend to your own ego.
As you were talking I though, "She'd make a great teacher." Of course you were one! It shows in your videos a lot, because you come off as really understanding. :)
Sometimes you need to find the "skill ceiling" of a player. Not all players are good enough to clear all content of the game no matter how hard they try. I've encountered this and it can be quite difficult to realize this if you are surrounded by top players all the time. For them it's not about that they are not concentrated or that they don't care. They focus on the game but they are simply not able to.. this can be due to them being raised without any training of fine and fast movement (I worked in intesive padagogy childcare I have enough horrorstories how neglect can cause life long difficulties). There are people whos hand-eye coordination is simply insufficient. But never give up on these people because they also deserve to play the game as well as they can and as much as they can. Sometimes its enough for them to switch to a certain class that is more forgiving on movement or just able to take more punishment like a tank. But figuring all this time requires a lot of time, attention and patience. It's an angels work tho for the person who is affected. I have general tips for such cases. If you can always play in a team with that person mark yourself and run always where the person is supposed to go and train the base rotation of their class until they are good enough at it or if they simply can't get the base rotation find the hardest hitting spells or general heals like aoe so that they have at least some impact (this is ofc. a very extreme example). However to not make that person dependant on only you encourage them to talk to other players (and tell them her difficulties) when they get in new groups like statics in order for them to be able to play the game without you. If the person doesn't have sufficient hand-eye coordination at all or has some kind of disabilities there is one major thing you can do. Help them find their way in the game. These types of players are usually not interested in high skill content because of achievements etc. but because they want to play with their friends or be part of a community. You can help those find the right place by explaining to them all the communities and activities the game provides. (Just don't expose them to Balmung ERP(JK(no not JK(JK))). I do not have experience in teaching (phsyically) disabled players but usually there are already established communities that help out with setups, macros for games, etc that help playing games. (I don't know any but I would guess they can be easily googled). I know this was a lot to read and I'm sorry if it's not helpful for your specific situation but feel free to contact me (or reply to this post) if you have a question or would like to add something to the above mentioned. Even if this post just helps 1 more player to enjoy playing games I'm glad I posted it. Have a nice day
Btw. I had 3 stages of not being good at what I do in MMOs. 2005-2007 I was just a casual exploriong wow, playing like I wanted and mostly doing pvp as instant pyro mage I hadnt need to give a care in the world. When I later changed to melee in PVE and all of a sudden sucked at dps I asked other players what is wrong with me. It was a 30 seconds discussion and I was never again bad at playing the game. I improved my hitcap, started reading guides (mostly forums back then) and continued my journey. I dunno I think it was aroun 2010 when I started to take over officer positions due to players leaving the game and then I sucked at teaching other players by assuming they have the same knowledge or ability to learn from simply posting the link to a guide like I did. This only improved after my work in intensive padagogy childcare.. when I realized or rather was confronted with physically and mentally limited people that really made me fine-tune my empathy for others.. and ever since I got good at teaching others.. And then I started working in tech support and now have the patience of a godlike enlightened being bcause I'm actually good at that job. If you really want to teach people. Relax, get a lot of patience and really tune your empathy. Without those 3 tools I do not recommend to try to help or teach people.
Hm... No, I don't think I'll ever be good enough to do Ultimate content. I can't even do Savage. I struggle with Extreme so much I avoid it as much as possible. I'm just not born with the capacity to get good at such things. I mean I still try to improve myself for the regular content, but I can't handle the stressful environment of being in a fight where everyone can die because of something I did wrong.
I dont know what it is lately, but recently I've come across some absolute.... oddballs in the duty finder, just in the previous 24 hours I have had: -A tank in sastasha that wouldnt use his tank stance even after we kept spamming him to use his tank stance using the translate function (and in english + japanese) -A lvl 60 GLADIATOR (Paladin with no job stone) In a trial -A lvl 60 Astrologian that wouldnt select a sect. -A few astro's that just wouldnt draw cards -TWO lvl 80 Ninjas that never used trick attack -A samurai that used Tsubame-gaeshi on his Higanbana -A few summoners using titan egi (just why are summoners all of a sudden using titan? Ive seen more titans in the past week than the past year) -Healer that went afk for 4 minutes 50 seconds at the start off the dungeon... you cant kick people until atleast 5 minutes has passed in the dungeon, when we were about to kick him he came running back... I think he did it on purpose honestly. -A black mage with 0% durability gear who "didn't know she was meant to repair gear" -And finally, a lvl 80 dancer who never dance partnered the entire raid I dont know whats been in the water lately, whether its boosters or people that just dont care enough. Every single one of these ive tried to tell them how they could improve and I just got no response most of the time, the only one I can forgive is the tank in sastasha... barely... maybe he was a young kid or something... but all the others... yikes.
When I was a sprout and leveling my first class (arcanist), I thought it smart to use my heal skill to 'help' out the healer in a dungeon until they told me to stop. At the time it made me feel like shit, a terrible player, a noob, but now, thinking back to that incident, I feel grateful that they pointed it out because it made me think about the tasks of each role more and reflect on my gameplay. Even now, almost three years later, I'm still figuring out the 'right' way to play my main healer but as long as I'm open to improvement and advice, I don't see the issue. It's refusing to take criticism from well-meaning individuals and repeating the same mistakes over and over that in my humble opinion makes a bad player.
On the other hand, I had a WHM who literally didn’t heal, and made the arcanist sprout heal. It was so bad that I did smaller pulls instead of going wall-to-wall to alleviate his problems, and the WHM pulled the rest instead of doing anything useful like dpsing the current mobs or healing so the arcanist could do it (WHM gets holy at 45 I think, so they can’t even contribute to aoe damage). Poor sprout was stressed after that, so I thanked him for healing and told him he could spec into healing if the queues bothered him. To be certain, I take pride as a healer and it’s almost insulting when someone heals (because I am perfection as a healer and am so good even haurchefant survived), but I’ve never told anyone to stop because I understand it comes from a good place. It just seems like healers always have some sort of problem.
tbh, some people haven't found the right class for them to go "oh, I can actually DPS/healer or tank!" as someone who level up samurai, dancer and just finish red mage. I feel like red mage is the one I learn how to play and I go in a duty feeling good about my performance. I always sucked at DPS, I ended up playing warrior first, then gunbreaker, then white mage before giving DPS a go. DPS bad players have it easier, no one hardly wants to call out a bad dps player but if it's healers or tank is a whole other story. Honestly, at the end of the day, don't get defeated because a lot of people want to help and just give you that push into performing better and for the ones that don't, you got a blacklist option for a reason.
The thing about dps is that if you're bad, you can usually still clear content, unless you're doing extremes or above, but if you're a bad healer or tank, content can usually take significantly longer, and you see the mistakes far easier. That's why nobody really wants to play healers.
@@Lyrxen yeah, which I totally get and understand and still enjoy healer/tank a lot over dps still but can't say I noticed because I'm no where near ready for savage or anything like that. They also made healer/tank easier on the rotation but a lot more watching the party which can almost be easier for me vs remembering a rotation because everyone would hate to see my actions bars with the same perk on it 5 times because I struggle on remembering rotation.
one thing I actually kinda liked about the old cross-class system (and needing to level a second class to level 15 to get your job crystal) was that it served as a good nudge to get people to try out other classes. Being able to play everything on one character is one of the biggest positives of this game and I'll always highly encourage people to try out every kind of play style. Both to see what kind of class ends up feeling right for you, but also to get a sense of how other jobs work to some degree whenever you play with them in a party.
I appreciate your view on this: the difference between a New player, a Weak player, and a Bad player - time in the game and a willingness to research and adjust play style. A major adjustment for me is when for instance I was level 55 and had received new skills which replaced old ones on my hotbars, then did a level 47 dungeon and most of the skills I was trying to use wouldn't work. (Pretty bad when the healer can't heal.) But the party leader was chill and just talked me through it and we finally finished. Now I am trying to make sure I still have the lower level skills on a hotbar (using Ctrl+keys with the extra mouse button tied to Ctrl). Also someone just taught me yesterday that looking at other players bars, when you see a debuf on them with the blue line across the top it means it is a detrimental effect you should Esuna. That would have been so nice to know earlier - I wish I had known to search for "how to know when to use Esuna". Maybe someone should do a list of things to watch out for when you are new and leveling?
I will forever be thankful to the kind soul who explained the Ninja to me after running a random dungeon. You helped me so much and it improved not only my skill, but also made me enjoy the class so much more!
6:20 1 minor thing, but a few job / role quests have very specific mechanics only used in those duties. So you may fail just because you haven't read the event chat whilst doing them x)
there's a few of them I failed once despite paying attention to that but failing to understand what they were actually telling me to do. Sometimes it ends up being a little bit counterintuitive.
I hate to say it but I might actually be a bad player. I definitely had a few solo boss fights where I couldn’t progress without lowering it to Easy... So many times in multiplayer I find myself not fully understanding the mechanics especially for raids and then next thing you know boom I’m dead again. I’m good at my BLM rotation and my gear is pretty high level but yeah man Idk the game is also hard so there’s that
Bad reflexes or lack of game knowledge can be improved with a half hour guide from Wesk Alber and some practise. A bad attitude is a life long journey towards not being a prick that too many people don't even start. Also, those flowers in your hair look adorable.
Always good to stay humble. I started off playing bard and used it as my main job for a year before I realized that sidewinder is a single target attack and shadowbite is an aoe attack. I just assumed that shadowbite was stronger since I got it later.
5:55 That doesn't apply for healers. NPC's doesn't act the way a human player would, we can't even use Rescue on them, for some quests you simply have to watch them stand in AoE simply because NPC's doesn't move, and there's nothing I could've done to change that.
@@zeehero7280 no matter the role I stick close to the boss when I got a stack marker as that's where most of the party is anyway and it's the direction they normally look at.
Tell me about it. Even worse is when they don't have a sprout icon and they stack two stack markers. This has happened every single time I've done The Seat of Sacrifice, with the exception of day 1.
bad player to me when they don't even try to learn the game's for themselves. All though I do know some people that are really into RP more than gameplay.... whatever makes them happy but just don't join savage if you're not willing to learn the game mechanics!
yea, i agree with that sentiment... If you've been carried thru everything, please stay away from endgame-stuff. If you cannot do the Normal-fight without dying once, then the EX/Savage version is not for you. If you think Stacking with the Stackmarker WHILE YOU HAVE A DIFF AOE on you is a good idea... no. Learn the basic mechanics, because you will see them over and over and over and over again but with more complexities.
Something I did a while ago that helped me out was I opened a pf and asked for help. I was learning how to Tank and I actually got some very helpful people. They ran a few dungeons with me and gave great advice.
The WoW toxicity is spreading to FFXIV. My gf finally got to 80 and she was extremely hyped to do The Twinning because she loves the song. But one of the DPS began to be extremely rude to her because of her low damage (freshly dinged 80, so badly geared) because he just "wanted to do dailies". He completely ruined her first Twinning experience.
it had spread by the time Shadowbringers came out to become a malignant cancer tbh. Endwalker's 1st raid tier will be the moment of truth for raiding. if it's significantly improved, and finding a chill static of friends to clear with in not a rush but always giving your best, hardcore effort casual mentality style (as raiding should be) isn't impossible, maybe theres hope. If not, then I'm not going to be the only one unsubbing for good, and that's a given.
your gf should've screenshot the convo and reported. Although damage meter is tolerated for users to monitor their own performance, using it to criticize other players is a violation of ToS.
you should've helped her report the person. criticizing someone's damage output counts as harassment and could've gotten him banned. sucks that her first Twinning run was ruined.
It depends on the content they do. If you join a farm party your expected to know a fight but if you just joined after clearing something once it can bring down the party. If you join a practice party but your dying to the same thing without asking questions or getting better then you’ll be kicked. At some point we’ve all been bad. It’s all about getting better.
I wish they at least implemented a personal DPS/HPS, etc. meter that only shows your own numbers so you are aware all the time what is your performance.
I was in a dungeon and two sprouts kept saying they had been playing mmos for years but the white mage just spammed regen so we kept dying. When i told him to use other abilities he got super mad, and even when i told him i was a white mage main he wouldnt listen and him and his friend kept insulting me and being generally awful...
That’s an odd white mage. I consider it my duty to keep the party alive. I regen anyone who needs it and this does generally keep the dpsers alive but the tank usually requires a bit of attention.
The bad players are the ones who make it difficult for everyone else on purpose. The good players are the players who have the resolve to improve and to persevere even when it's difficult. The way you play doesn't matter if you're having fun.
I think what separates a good player from a bad player is ignorance. Sprouts can make dungeons difficult because they don't know any better, but if they listen to their team mates and get better, they're good players. The bad players are the ones that won't listen and simply don't care. Not knowing something is where we all start, but ignorance is a choice.
I had a really interesting one a couple of days ago... a stack marker went off at the same time as the bomb mechanic... so all three bombs ran towards the stack... and the bombs and the stack mechanic all went off at the same time. It was chaos.
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I once healed a tank who died to Doom in the Sunken Temple of Qarn and advised me to take some time and read what my spells do. He had the burger king crown btw.
It's actually amazing how many mentors are garbage players. I got my full crown recently and honestly feel like I should hide it because of the stigma. The whole mentor system needs an overhaul
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Or keep the crown and be that alright mentor who just does their job to a good degree and/or helps sherpa during hurdles.
I mean lowkey, if a player can't see past that and only lives by "lolmentor" and "lolsprout", probably not the best players to want to associate with anyways to take off your burger king crown for to avoid the stigma.
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They need to remove all rewards from mentor system and change the crown to something like a grad hat, watering can, or apple. Make it so only people who want to mentor will bother. Mentors dont need to be good at the game but basic knowledge is something they should have. I Am decent at the game and have more than basic knowledge of it, and thus I help people and use the crown. I just wish it wasn't a crown. not even a burger CUL recipe, if I'm gonna have a crown I want to hand out burgers.
My response would have been: "Oh? And what would you have expected me to do to help you with a personal responsibility mechanic? :)"
For me the only bad player is the one that doesnt even care to learn, the rest can be improve
I run into this far more often than I want with sprout tanks in the early dungeons. I try to explain to them (as their healer) that the sprout DPS with us is only level 16, 18, 20, whatever and doesn't have AoE (because it's a ROG and an ACN, for instance), so if they try to make big pulls, I'm going to have to spend all my time healing them instead of DPSing. Which means all those big fights are going to take much longer than they should.
But they can't understand that. They can't understand the math. All they can understand is "Hur hur hur big axe go BRRRRRR". It makes a WHM sob. XD
totally agree, i'm a new player, started a month ago in the big wave. Myself I will not go into a dungeon or trial without at least looking at a video first to at least know what to expect and have a rough idea of the mechanics.
For me the worst are the non sprouts who run into traps in Palace of the Dead and just keep running when they have a few percent HP, and just attack the whole party when anyone points out what they just did. Zepla hinted at them. Ff has a lot of players who think the world revolves around them and that they are perfect and everyone else are idiots.
@Justin Dotson everyone learns at different speeds bro. You don't pay their subscription
@@heldrin4968 Instanced content has to be played by people before there is any sort of guide to study, and that means the first people to play it play it blind. Does it occur to you that going in blind is how it is intended to be played?
Well, Haurchefant may not have taught us how to slidecast, but at least he showed us what happens if you eat a tankbuster without cooldowns. Still counts as a learning experience.
Thank you i was looking for someone to mention that learning experience 😂
Ouch.
@@th0rne_999 That's what he said. . .
WTH IS a slidecast?
@@DreamEnX If you're casting something, as soon as there is only 0.5 seconds left (+/- a bit depending on your connection) you can move without interrupting your cast. Since it finishes playing your casting animation while you're moving around it looks like you are sliding around on ice.
I'm pretty bad at just about everything. I'm disabled, older, and slow to learn and react. Usually if I have to get through content I let people know and ask if they prefer that I drop out, because I'm not even good enough to make it through that first ShB dungeon with my Trust (keep trying, keep dying at the last boss). I used to raid Mythic in WoW, but it took me years to find a team of people who were nice and patient with my limitations. I tried really hard for them and even managed to get orange parses from time to time, but the reality of it is that I was more often than not just a carry, irrespective of all the videos, add ons, raidbots, logs, min-maxing. I appreciate the XIV community so much because I have never once been kicked or asked to leave, or whispered mean things because of my performance. To the contrary, people have been so unexpectedly accommodating since I made the switch back in BFA when ShB dropped. In these few years I have played the game, I only had one tank mention that my dps output was low, and he wasn't even a jerk about it. Still, I hate to be a burden, which is why I try to avoid current group content. I'd like to think that XIV has something for everyone, even for us bad players. Plenty of things to do out in the world, even if we miss out on glamours, minions, and mounts. Maybe a few expacs from now!
You're not a bad player at all. In fact, as long as you're communicating and willing to try, I'd rather have you in my group ANY DAY than some impatient jerk whose only interest is getting through the content as fast as possible.
To be frank that kinda sounds like you're a bit hard on yourself because of your experiences in WoW. Most players, especially in a less competitive kind of MMO, are probably more on your general level than you might think. And thats okay because the vast majority of the content is designed around that. Maybe a dungeon will take 10 minutes longer to finish with low dps but bosses with enrage or dps check mechanics are rare and pretty forgiving.
As for your Trust example, oddly enough that format can actually be more difficult than running the dungeon normally, since if you die the fight instantly resets. With players you can be ressed or they might just be able to finish the fight without you. Trust NPCs eliminate the risk of other players messing up (99% of the time anyway, they do mess up occasionally), but they also don't have the ability to cover your own mistakes.
" (keep trying, keep dying at the last boss)"
So here's the secret.
Bosses are actually harder on trusts, and not in a fun or fair way.
The reason is very simple--you have to do all the mechanics you would with a team, but if you die, that's it that's a total wipe, no matter what--and the boss lasts a loooooot longer, which means you see more mechanics, which increases the chance you'll fail and die.
In a group, it dies quicker, and a mistake you make is easily recoverable with a raise.
You sound like you would be chill to play with :) i am kinda bad too, glad people like you are playing the game!
Yeah, it takes me a little while to react, too. People say that sprouts shouldn't watch guides, but I HAVE to watch guides to have some idea of what's coming.
I was worried about being "bad" so before every dungeon I just looked on youtube for a guide (usually about 3-4mins long) gives you an overview of what to expect. In hindsight I probably didn't need to, but it gave me peace of mind and lowered stress before dungeon.
I'm legally blind and can have trouble spotting mechanics on the fly. This is my go-to strategy as well.
I do the same and it really helps
You absolutely don't need to, if I see a new player in a duty I'm totally expecting them to eat mechanics left and right and that's fine. I would never expect anyone to spoil themselves by looking up guides in advance, but of course only you know what's best for you. I can definitely understand the anxiety with experiencing new content, especially if it's older stuff most other people already know like the back of their hand.
I don't watch guides before going into a new dungeon just for the new experience. Never had real problems, if we wiped, there were no hard feelings and it didn't take long to learn the fights. That's just dungeons, though.
I still do that for things I can't use Trusts for bc social anxiety :')
One time when progging E7s, we had a rando dancer that kept talking shit the entire time, criticizing everyone for the smallest things. I and the other healer got it worst as they kept blaming us for their numerous deaths, despite them - again, a dancer, the most mobile job in the game - taking avoidable damage and standing in stuff the whole time. We eventually got sick of it, and one of our tanks pointed out that they weren't using Improv during phase transitions (for non-dancers, it boosts healing and quickly builds the gauge for their strongest attack.) Not only are phase transitions in that fight surprisingly beefy, they responded with:
"Why would I, my gauge is full."
Short version, you pretty much never let your gauge fill, which is especially true on dancer, since the resource fills naturally by just playing as intended, so they had been capping their gauge every pull and not using it. Four simultaneous facepalms across three countries and two continents happened right then. Fortunately, they didn't stay long.
tl;dr, the difference between low performance and being bad is how much of an asshole you are about it.
I would say it's the desire to learn. People can be douchebags and still be good players if they are learning mechanics.
This made me faceplam as well. This is pretty bad
People let their gauge fill all the way? When I'm playing dancer the second it hits 50 and I can use that ability I'm using that ability.
@@TheDaxter11 I wait until it's at around 80 before using a Saber Dance. That way, I know I will at least have 1 or 2 Saber Dances for my Tech Step burst window, or have a spare one to use when any other party buff is up.
But I always make sure it never fills up all the way so I don't waste any gauge.
''Four simultaneous facepalms across three countries and two continents'' thank you for the laugh.
I’ve had refugees come in saying they have healed for 19 years and that it wasn’t their job to do dps as a healer. We paused the dungeon to tell them that they did in fact need to dps even as a healer. We were super polite and lucky enough the player was willing to listen to what we were saying. They went form standing still just casting cure 1 to using all their abilities including DoTs, HoTs and more. This however feels like the exception rather than the norm.
The funny part is that in WoW healers are definitely expected to contribute damage in content. That has been the case for several years now.
I've been healing in FFXIV for several months now... and I want to know where you people find the time to cast damage spells. If I'm not casting heals constantly (My poor poor MP), the tank is dying. Or running off in search of more prey if the tank sees me even glance at my damaging spells...
@@SnowyRVulpix Maybe in early sub-lv. 50 dungeons, damaging may pose an issue with trash packs from the lack of aoe.
Anyway, the secret is to plan ahead - healing and attacking proactively. This means you plan 2 or even 5 steps ahead while you're still casting a spell. Every time you cast Cure II or throw Stone, you have around 2.5 seconds to critical think and plan when and where to use abilities
@@SnowyRVulpix that also depends on the tank and maybe content u are running, but the norm is, that at some point u cast healing way less frequently
@@SnowyRVulpix Sounds like your gear may not be good enough. Whenever I'm struggling to keep a tank alive, it's because my gear is too low. Depending on what level you're at, you might want to go buy some new gear from vendors, or check out the tomestone gear that's accessible to you. As a healer, keeping your gear up where it needs to be will make your healing life much easier. You SHOULD be having time to dps!
I definitely want an alternate ending for Heavensward where Haurchefant personally teaches me how to slidecast
stopped reading after "alternate ending"... lets be considerate of spoilers friend, story is the MAIN part of this game......
@@DillaSkates there was no spoiler here
@@kleekvishon9864 yeah but Fandaniel and zodiark die in Endwalker. Nice try loser lol
They should expand the trust system to every ARR leveling dungeon so people can practice their roles without worrying about being judged.
I know this is an old comment, but I am sure you learned about Duty Support, which should be completely added in 6.5 with the post-Stormblood dungeons. (Main Scenario dungeons only, though.) The bots are guaranteed to never get hit by mechanics in the ARR MSQ dungeons and trials.
For me as a controller player the biggest improvements have come from figuring out effective cross-hotbar binds - where to place abilities and to remember where they are. That is just practice. As a dragoon it pays to be immediately on it. Not to mention it's kinda embarrassing to accidently hit elusive jump and have to run back to where you were.
From a fellow controller player - heck yeah. I think I would’ve quit the game if I didn’t look up guides online (shoutout to Work2Game) because sorting out your HUD layout is so important. Finding what works for you to play the game comfortably
I put backflips/gap closers on my second bar, usually R2+circle for that very reason. I'd recommend having your second bar visible and use the double tap L2/R2 function if you aren't, it takes a few duties to get used to but oh man is it comfortable.
I personally prefer the LB+RB, RB+LB cross WXMB, having a general template helps too. Most of my burst skills are on my directional button binds since I know I’ll be stationary using them (hopefully), buffs are also directional. Buttons that need to be used on the fly or in motion are on the ABXY binds, and I usually have a few potions like super ethers on hotbar 8 so I can swap with a bumper quickly, pop it, then switch to my main bars. Controller play is so challenging in highend it really helps hammering out a rough idea when you play every role
I don't usually get advice as a healer, but when I do, it's from someone who fails to dodge mechanics and makes me heal more than I would if they dodged properly
See thats when you stop healing them and let them learn that dodging is important too
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@@alicecroft2058 huh?
Can't wait to experience this in savage trials and more.. Dungeons worked finde so far but I've had the occasional black mage refusing to move and some very confused dragoons.. I know that their animation locks are way less bad then they were but it's somehow still always the dragoon that gets all the spanking from every boss mechanic lol..
Healers adjust!
Playing poorly doesn't make you a 'bad player', refusing to improve of your own volition does.
- Sun Tzu
All raiding is deception, the gatekeepers pretend to be not toxic assholes, but indeed they are deceptive goons who just want to ruin the fun of others.
Know your enemy and know yourself, know that your enemy may well be skilled, but also know that you yourself are as worthy of doing content as they are, and you will at least be morally victorious even if the community rots and game withers from it.
I'll not lie, I'm a bad player. I watch guides I take pointers but jeez there's just so much stuff going on. I feel age is not on my side, 10 years ago I was a hardcore raider, today my reaction times are lower and I panic a lot easier. I'm still new to this game, and while I never expect to be cutting edge here, I do feel there's a place for me unlike other games.
there is, no need to do ultimate raids and stuff unless you wnat to. I play ff pretty socially and still have fun helping others through their msq duties, mount farms etc.
Yup age is def not on some of our sides. I consider myself is bad but I know my class but I’m slow at reacting sometimes
Don't feel bad. I have a very hard time understanding mechanics even in the 4 mans at times. I'm just not good with patterns , especially with all the spell effects turned on
It is okay. It takes time. You will be rocking it in no time.
I never ever thought I'd enjoy the dungeons in the game. When I started, I considered them this obstacle I had to endure to play through the story. I had a lot of anxiety about being bad, especially since this is the first MMO where I am doing group content. Now I'm reaching the end of Shadowbringers and I not only occasionally do dungeons just for fun but am considering joining some harder content when I reach max level. So if you too are anxious about being bad or letting people down in dungeons or trials.. just keep pushing through. The only way to get better is practice - keep doing dungeons and trials and you can improve and maybe even start enjoying it more than your anxiety tells you that you will.
I'm an older gamer and it takes me a while to get the mechanics down, that's why I don't do EX or savage content. But once I do get them down I generally do pretty well, with a mistake here and there of course.
it's got nothing to do with age though. unless you're over 65? No judging if you are though. it has a lot more to do with your mental state and health and how well you can focus, which is something that can change drastically for people of all ages.
@@zeehero7280 As someone who's aging, Nah, it has a lot to do with age. We really lose a lot of reaction-time with age. I can do Extremes, but no savages!
Same. I know what I'm capable of as I get older, no way I'm touching Savage or Extreme content
as others have said, don't you worry about age or lack of experience on the content itself, people in this game are more than open to actually give you the necessary hints and information to do what needs to be done. Heck, just yesterday I had the world of darkness daily alliance raid, our tank was new and clearly nervious about it, but with his performance and our explanations he was the best of the three tanks by far, even if the other two were pulling while people were watching cutscenes or plain out facing the boss where the raid was, he did really well, and even if that wouldn't have been the case, it's totally fine to take your time with the mechanics, all of us have done so in the past.
@@zeehero7280 Eh, hand eye coordination is not what it used to be at some point. Younger than you might thing too.
5:55 - "Have I been able to clear quest battles like solo instances on their intended difficulty?"
*has flashbacks to that one SAM quest*
The fact that cheap jerk actually redeems himself later was very bittersweet. I really freaking hated that guy
I remember when Sam first came out. I jumped on that Sam train real quickly. Oh boy. That quest was a god damn gatekeeper. Then there is the fishing one at like lv 60.....
Ship PTSD
"Would you like to retry this duty on Very Easy?"
*YES, YES I WOULD*
oh my god i thought it was just me
Before even watching the video my answer to this was "attitude".
You can be bad if you level.
You can be bad if you boost.
You can have played this game since 2.0 launch and still perform bad.
The only difference is your attitude towards learning and improvement. With fights, with roles, with groups. Attitude is number one.
If only more people in savage raiding thought like this I wouldn't have quit in despair and not touched it since edens' verse.
Zepla being so wholesome while still being able to be low-key savage! She's a FFXIV community treasure!
Surprised she's not British!
I wanted to make a crass joke - such as declare, "SIMP!" as is popular among the young folks these days - but you're absolutely right. She really is helpful and informative. Also she's rocking a Minfilia look hella strong which just _exudes_ mentor vibes.
Typical streamer getting hard carried though everything
@@BillyLndn Who hurt you?
...And what does this have to do with anything at all, that you think it's a valid reply in this conversation?
@@SapphireDragon357 I find it totally valid since it's about the original comment's topic.
You're the one asking stuff that is totally irrelevant, white knight
Yo. I hate those solo instance duties.
There's always some corny mechanic I miss because I couldn't keep up with what the NPCs were saying in their tiny little text bubble that move too fast. And there's no type of updating duty info. I usually gotta look up a guide & find out "ohhhh. I'm supposed to spam Esuna on these NPCS, that don't appear in my party list - so I had no clue they were getting a duty-failing debuff." -_-
God. And then in Shadowbringers, I have to play as a job I've never played - when it made me play Thancred or whatever.
Or I have played the job & the hotbar is scuffed. UGH
Also in my experience as a sprout with no past MMO experience, even listening to guides of "how to play" will sound like you have no chance at becoming "good", so it might look super intimidating, but you just have to play the game, the higher your level, the more buttons you get, the more your job flows and you start to understand what the "how to play" guides are talking about, especially since most of them will talk about things you have no idea how they work (Bahamut and Phoenix from summoner comes to mind) until you are very high level.
I feel like this is especially true for healers! Like, I remember being a sprout healer and feeling bad about not being able to DPS constantly without the tank dying. But the thing is, at low levels, you're missing so much of your toolkit, including a lot of the oGCD heals that allow high-level healers to spend so much time DPSing. So of course you're going to spend more time healing, especially since the tank and DPS are also missing half their toolkits. I do think something that gets missed a lot when people give advice is that "optimal" play is pretty much not going to be possible until you reach max level, so it's better to familiarise yourself with the game and the tools you do have available to you as you level.
Just read your tooltips. You dont really need guides most of the time unless its for specific ex and savage fights. And if the optimal rotation eludes you
Ok so omg that’s me. I normally play rpgs like Diablo or poe. Just got into ff14 playing white mage Sounded fun and is fun but holy shit the amount of knowledge you need for a mmo is crazy and overwhelming.
@@yoshikagequeen4708 great advice especially for a new player. And especially if you have bad tanks while playing whm who pull a lot and then blame you and making you think your bad at the game. I’m a sprout and started with white mage. I feel this lol
At the end of the day this is a video game and I feel like people but themselves under too much pressure, me included, to be perfect within their role. As long as people are receptive, listen and want to have fun it shouldn't matter how "good" or "bad" you are, they are loose definitions. As you day, just have fun, be kind, and enjoy and that's what the game is all about.
I remember the first time I wiped my group in Sunken Temple of Qarn... I felt so bad I left the group and logged out... 2nd time I tanked it, the group helped me out by explaining the mechanics - and we survived :-) Now I pay it back to those new to tanking or the game in general. I think that was the time I started to "not play badly"
when I explain to sprout dps to kill the bees I just tell them to kill them fast becuase OH GOD NOT THE BEES!
This dungeon nearly made me quit the game as a sprout tank. I was so embarrassed of myself. Thankfully, the next dungeon I ran there was a mentor who was super kind and helpful, thanks to that guy I kept playing, I wish I had kept his name.
2:26
Ah, the very helpful Abacus Calculating Tool.
this comment really needs more love
best parser
I see what you did there
@@schizer 😏
I wish us PS players had an abacus so we could tally real time DPS…. 😑
Just remember, the greatest of us have failed more times than most others have tried to do something in the first place. Failing is fine. It's normal. It's natural. Why? Because it's how we learn. But we have to be willing to learn. In the words of Stephen Hawking... “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” Keep it up Sprouts! You can do this! Especially with the Bun Squad at your back. :D
My first Sastasha back in 2013, I was a Conjurer and I didn't realize that not everybody could heal themselves. So when we went in, I just focused on keeping myself alive, and then when the tank died almost immediately, I was like, "hey how come you didn't Cure yourself...?" Hahaha, it gets worse. Much later in early Heavensward, I was a pretty awful bard too. I was in a party with Xeno in party finder randomly for Ravana EX. I was so bad at juggling both bowmage and the fight that I was just a mess: dying constantly, awful dps, barely keeping up with the mechanics due to shaking. And when someone in Xeno's chat was like "dude, you need to get this bard outta here," I knew I had really messed up, and I left the party feeling really stupid and ashamed. But hey, it's okay. I kept at it, and got better. Went through 3 different statics from Heavensward to Shadowbringers, finally landing on one that I truly vibed with. And now I've cleared all three Ultimates on various jobs and fully cleared every raid tier since Stormblood's release.
But like anything in life, I had to go through all those rough moments to achieve the level of mastery I feel I've truly earned now. You stand where you stand by virtue of the road you walked to get there.
Would've been better for Xeno to tell you what you're doing wrong than to shame you into leaving.
As someone who's several months into the game and just getting into savage content, it was encouraging to read about your own journey thru FF14. Thanks for sharing and being an inspiration to others!
This was a great story. I’m glad you’re still playing this game and found a static that you vibes with. I wish the game and community were more forgiving in terms of the kind of play styles and skill level people come in with initially, everyone expects everyone else to be in the know and understand how the game runs when that isn’t the case all the time.
Ah I see you are a fan of the superior non trinity style games? me too but FFXIV does the trinity thing well and is just polished and well cared for, so despite such obsolete flaws and design I still love it.
@@Dharengo This is why I consider xeno a terrible player. he may be really good at warrior but he will never be a good player until he learns to stop being an ass.
I genuinely don't have an issue with bad players, I have an issue with assholes. And that's the main thing that stops me from doing harder content :(
Assholes are the bad players.
Generally you should not olay harder content with random players it ends many times in toxicity play with people you know alot and a willing to wipe and learn thats all
“Hauchefaunt teaching you how to slide cast” Don’t give me hope…
Maybe we can meet one of his reflections in the other shards of hydaelyn...
What's slide casting?
@@bbarrett726 When casting a spell there's a short period at the end of the cast (~0.5 secs I think) where you can move without cancelling the cast
Is this a big thing? When I first came to the game a month or so ago I discovered I could do this real early on and figured it might be useful. But then I went melee and didn't think about it anymore.
For casters it can add up, but it’s not super important to remember all the time unless youre on the highest difficulties. It’s mostly optimization/making the game more fun to play because youre not stuck in one spot so long
(You can’t be expected to just be able to do it without fail unless you’ve been playing the job a long time anyway since it will mostly come down to muscle memory through repetition so no pressure)
I spent the last month leveling Dragoon, being certain that I was terrible at the job. However, once I was doing Malikah's Well and Mt Gulg being able to avoid all the AoEs in spite of the animation locks, I realized that the only thing I had to work on was using my buffs like Battle Litany. And on Bard or Ninja, I wouldn't have the same problems, because I had more experience. In short- if you're worried that you're performing badly on you chosen class, know that you'll improve with time- and that maybe learning another class could help you with the problems you're having. (I was really bad at avoiding AoEs until I leveled Bard, and I had enough mobility for it to become second nature instead of something I had to think about.)
Dodging as a Dragoon is really easy. The only times animation lock gets me is when the AOEs activate faster than I can react. I wasn't going to be able to dodge that without animation lock, so I don't worry about it.
Messing around as a Blue mage actually helped me figure out how to slide cast (somewhat successfully - more often anyway) with Black Mage. I actually got TIME to see the milliseconds go past and when to move out of AoE blast. Still haven't really got the hang of some new skills which include moving clear away, as generally I just end up back in an AoE lol. I've found I do a lot better in dungeons NOT moving around like a pseudo Samurai. BLM is pretty static; and tends to work best stuck right in the middle of the minions doing AoE's of its own - not always, but generally, in my experience (at least so far, but I'm not level 60 yet). Basically, I try my best, sometimes accidentally look pretty good, and even got 2 recommendations for 3 separate dungeons. Must have been having a good week that week lol. I just hate to be "that idiot" who stood in the poisonous green slime and didn't see everyone saying "move" because of my internet lag. (which doesn't always happen, but half a second can make a difference). Going through Prae for the first time, with all those cutscenes, was absolute hell. So much lag (must have looked like I was just standing around admiring my new nail polish or something). I was traumatized afterwards. Lol. For whatever reason, cutscenes really lag me. Sometimes I can detect my casts etc. are a little...behind what I just commanded my keyboard to do, but usually it goes okay. Lag is a real thing for some of us.
Where do I find dragoon in Ishgard!?!? Lol
Learning DRG basics is pretty easy, the optimization of buffs and timing changes with the party comp and is the real hard part of mastering the job. really any job in the game you could play and practice for years on end and never get 100% out of it. even the jobs people think are "brain dead" are far from it, just seems that way to tiny minds.
I just leveled a DRG to 50 and I swear I felt useless for most of the group activities.
Tank pulls a large group of mobs and everyone but myself are using aoe to burn them down, I'm tabbing to targets constantly trying to get a disembowel off.
Boss fights were just as bad: tank pulls, I wait 2 seconds for tank agro, press 1 for TS, get the combo for Vorpal....but the boss is dead.
Can't bare to see what its like with all the BLs and DB buffs added into the rotation.
I think another important consideration for folks that have been playing video games for a long time is the potential lack of inherent knowledge of games generally. I've been playing games for about 30 years now, and I often take for granted the fact that I can basically pick up almost any game I have never played before and understand what's going on very quickly, because I inherently understand how games work.
Folks that don't play games, or play few games, can have a harder time picking up mechanics and may be slower to learn. There are a lot of new players to FFXIV recently and they range from people who play games all the time to people who have never touched an MMO in their life. The veteran players need to be considerate to all skill levels of player and understand that people come from different gaming backgrounds. Teaching one playing may require a different approach from teaching someone else based on their own experiences.
This is something I really need to learn.
My boyfriend played like CoD growing up and then played basically just league of legends. I've been playing MMOs since I was 6 and so getting him to learn FFXIV has been challenging because things I sort of just know how to do he struggles with
I'm 57 years old and I'm fully aware my reflexes aren't what they used to be. I read my tooltips and watch guides now before using the duty finder to enter new encounters (I didn't when I first started the game and embarrassed myself over and over so decided to try to change that pattern). It's helped a lot watching those guides first. I'm not perfect and I still mess up, but sometimes I even get to kind of lead a dungeon run just by virtue of being the only one in the party that actually bothered to check out a guide first.
You're still young.
best way to put it I think
"being a bad player is fine. staying a bad player is not"
just to say, it's perfectly fine to be bad right now, just try and do better next time!
i like that quote :D
I dunno I don't really care about a "bad" player who doesn't want to learn how to play the game if they stick to the more casual content/duties but when someone simultaneously doesn't want to play their job but also feels entitled to being carried through difficult content thats when "choosing to be bad" becomes a problem imo.
I can think of at least one solo duty where you can fail because of a combination of a stupid NPC, absurdly quick AoE markers, and/or an abnormally high ilvl assumption: The level 60 RDM job quest.
The job quest requirement is 375+.
There's a lot of these tbh. I think that most of the lvl 60 in special REALLY need you to be geared up.
I hated the lvl 60 RDM job quest, almost quit RDM because of it….now I main RDM go fig
I just remember one of the SCH quests was a royal pain. Probably the 60. I main RDM, but used to run SMN/SCH. That quest was a huge pain because the NPC seemed to RUN into the AoEs in the instance
@@Firebourne99 I thought so too at first, but you have to bait them away from the NPCs. They target you... the quest is not bad with poetics gear though
It's also important to not label someone as bad for not already having in depth knowledge on the game by reading/watching guides on all the game's content. Playing without guides is a very valid way of playing any game!
i've got a couple friends playing through the game who are fairly new, while I'm fully up to date on the game's content, and they just reached the end of shadowbringers, so i've started running through the nier and eden raids with them and they both practically refuse to go in blind to the raids which makes me a bit sad because i personally find blind running new raids and stuff more fun as long as i'm told of any big mechanics i can wipe the group with. it's not a big deal though, if they find it more fun to go in knowing generally what to expect that's fine
so true
It's perfectly okay to play without guides, but then the onus is on you to ask if there's any mechanics you should know for each fight, etc. I respect the want to do things blind and not look up guides, but you also have to respect and listen to the other players in your raid/group giving you tips on how to do the fight (as long as they aren't being assholes to you about it)
@@YuYuYuna_ See here's the thing, if you want to play blind, that means you learn the mechanics from fighting, not by asking someone who knows or being told by someone who knows right before the fight so you know exactly what to do. It's different if you're being told what to do WHILE fighting. But learning on the fly what to do is perfectly valid and you shouldn't be pressured to be told everything before you get into it.
I absolutely refused to look up guides to upcoming fights because it would have spoiled the story. But then, I dont really play savage or extremes
I'm am fresh sprout, started a week ago. I've watched a bunch of your videos. The healer anxiety is real for me and you have helped me. You are very wholesome and I thank you
Can I have an update of u 7 month later ?:)
My party almost whipped once when I was the healer, genuinely felt like trash, luckily one DPS managed to get the enemies away from me which gave me enough time to raise the tank. I'm grateful that no one talked shit to make me feel even worse
I remember I was tanking for a story dungeon I was doing the first time and a group vote-kicked after the first boss for having gear that was a few levels down from the dungeon, I was using the story gear. They complained we weren't clearing the dungeon fast enough, I immediately queue up again and ran through the dungeon faster.
just curious, do u by any chance play in NA?
@@cosmicsoul6514 I do, I was told that those players were probably refugees and to just have fun with the game.
I would only be upset if you have low level gear and are doing big pulls, that would be an issue. Otherwise gear isnt a problem if taken slow and understanding your gear means you take more damage. But this also means slower and end content people get impatient when queue for early dungeons. I've seen enough of dps/healers with 60 level+ pulling for tank and rushing just to get the dungeon over with not being considerate for the peoples first time and especially learning experience. I think it was these types of people just getting roulettes or "mentor" over with. That's actually one of my triggers ^^, being rushed.
I failed a lot of solo difficulty duties leveling because of my good friend whiskey and then set it to very easy because also my good friend whiskey, but I swear I'm good otherwise.
Tequila wouldn't do that to you 😁
Tequila make ya delete ya account..
Tequila will have you waking up the next day with a headache, Fantasia’d into a lala, and 100 dollars poorer from the Mog Station.
Weird, one would expect Monk to work with Drunken Fist
i normally fail the solo duties then just destroy them on the easiest difficultly and i raid
As a noob to mmos in general I've enjoyed the journey of ff14, I can tell I'm getting better as a tank, even beating extreme dungeons now😀🤙
Extreme.. dungeons?
You’re lucky you are Mona-Mona, or I would have also made fun of you for saying “extreme dungeons”. lol There, Mona-chan, we all know you meant extreme trials.
Are extreme dungeons a thing or did you mean trials??
extreme dungeons sound neat
Simple: I am a bad player
.... but a nice mate
Playing good or bad isn't the measure in ffxiv... the measure is if you have fun playing with someone 😁
... Noone ever accused me of playing exceptional, but I always put a smile on people's faces
I was playing a simple class on WoW Demonhunter 4 buttons rotation and a bunch of free mobility/utility to get out of trouble and deal with mechanics. Just finished levelling to 80 as Samurai and it has definitely been a huge learning curve moving to it's 20 bajillion button rotation. I'm certainly nowhere near good yet but it's been fun and I'm way better than I was at the start. I think I'm probably overly conservative about mechanics, I'm not trying too hard to get that extra cast off before a dodge etc but it is awfully satisfying when things do go badly and I'm one of the last people alive. The way I see it I get more time to practise a fight if I'm still on my feet lol.
The Balance discord server is a great place to find out how your rotation is supposed to start and just experience and keep an open mind about the rotation and you’ll get the most efficient damage out of it in no time. From a SAM main.
DUDE SAME. being a new player, and getting SAM after tanks and heals is just MINDBLOWING. I was laughing like a maniac first 2 days, joking about Raiden and Vergil, and even after when i get my Samurai-Anime-Kenki stuff. I was failing simple chains for Shifu and Jinpu, catching every AOE. When lvl 71 hit, i went to finish my leveling at Bozjan Souther Front. And a got myself a fight again this wyrm whatever it's name was. And i had only one advantage, i KNEW HIS EVERY MOVE. And somehow, having a a normal full party and other 40 guys in this fight, i was the last man standing(from my party). When my ally Bard has fallen, and only one poor scholar with 2 Warriors were still in the fight, i felt fear and dread... But then, then... LB 3 SOUND RINGS. Just watching how my Character Doing Samurai LB 3 being last man(well, woman) standing, witnesing it from her shoulder... At that exact moment, i knew, Samurai ll be my beloved DPS.
Fun fact, samurai are probably the easiest of the melee jobs. That's not an insult either, samurai is the job I play when I want to relax. Well that or machinist.
@@palladiamorsdeus Samurai is pretty much a low floor entry with high skill ceiling job.
I just imagine someone asking Zepla something and she’s like “one sec, making a video, my reply will be in there!” :D
I (A healer) was in this Alliance Raid ( specifically The Puppet's Bunker ), and our Tank just would *not* listen to their party trying to help them with the mechanics / positioning They ended up killing almost 90% of the party most of the time.
Also the other WHM was being a glare mage so that totally wasn't helpful. -_-'
As a glare mage main myself I approve of that healers actions ;) lol
@@xD1RTYx what the hell is a glare mage?
@@Jonas-qg6jw its a joke about white mages because their damage rotation is just casting glare over and over again until they need to 1. Refresh their DoT or 2. Heal someone. It's common for someone who considers themselves a glare mage to not heal party members who continually get hit by the same mechanics because "you can't heal stupid". Glare mage is basically a self depecating Meme for white mages.
@@xD1RTYx ahh, didn’t know that. Thanks :)
What is happening to tanks in ARR alliance raids? I know there is a lot of new tanks, but it's being unbearable to get world of darkness, bc not only the tanks don't know the mechanics but also get defensive when people try to explain what they were doing wrong. This week we needed to undo a group because we died 5 times at the first boss and the problems was the three tanks with stances at the same time and the boss cleaving everybody. The worst is try to put the blame on the healers, bc your bad performance
I agree with the majority in that a "bad player" is someone with a bad attitude. But honestly, I find it hilarious and telling that while everyone's quick to point fingers at players who are mechanically lacking or unwilling to learn, there's no mention of people who are toxic towards new players for simply making a mistake when they're trying to speed run their duty roulette.
I'm in no way saying that you have to put up with a bad attitude from a sprout, and I'm not saying you can't offer constructive criticism. But I've seen a lot of straight up insults, toxicity, and rage quits from veteran players and imo that makes them bad players too
I 100% agree. Thats why I make sure, if I see that attitude, I'm quick to speak up against it. Sprouts are new and a ton are coming in: let's help them out. Im still a sprout (im in Storm Blood) but I'm more than happy to provide what knowledge I have thus far and I think it makes the experience MUCH more enjoyable.
Absolutely! Being "bad" has almost nothing to do with skill and almost everything to do with attitude.
I agree. I am 36yo not that young anymore, but playing should be fun and not be taken too seriously. Sometimes in this game you don’t even see properly (Alliance raids) and i feel like I’m getting a migraine lol, but don’t take the game too seriously. You can still improve as a player all the time if you want to.
tbh, i purposefully fail some of those solo instances because they take 20 minutes on normal and i'd rather just get through the unnecessary thancred fight
Same here lol. I fail and then rock that shit on very easy. :p
Same, I really lost patience on a couple of the StB fights. There are plenty of places to get more than just competent at your job, but not right in the middle of the MSQ. Some people just play for story and don't want the stress.
I joined FFXIV about two months ago with my friend, and to keep it short, this game has since consumed my life. I love it!
Ill call up my mate and we will go heal in Trials. And as a veteran main rogue/PvP-nut, I took a 180 - became a healer, and it's been delightfully stressful at times keeping people alive than the opposite. Most raids have been going smoothly, some few wipes here and there, but the group never gave up; as we all equally suck until we eventually figure it out. (My favorite being Shiva for whatever reason!)
That being said... That was until we were doing The Minstrel's Ballad: Thordans Reign, last night.
My god. All the accomplishment as a MMO player throughout the years just evaporated. My healing skills rendered to cheap confetti, and the feeling of shame took over and told me to uninstall the game.
Entirely clenched up and with non-blinking eyes, I'm looking at the copied dumbfounded face of my friend on Discord; as we silently and mutually realize we dont know shit, are getting old and we need a nap to replenish our eyes.
I will learn these mechanics, though it may take time. A little bit of my soul disappeared that day and was replaced with humility. I will acknowledge my mistakes and get through these and continue collecting items! But dear lord, that wasnt just a wakeup call, that was a earthquake.
Honestly, having the MSQ wiki pulled up then watching 4 squad gaming videos about dungeons and trials has helped me SOOOO much. Just having a heads up on the mechanics is a huge aid.
When I started playing ffxiv last year I knew literally nothing about the game or even mmo's in general. I didn't even know what "mechanics" meant, much less how to do the mechanics in any of the content. It was only because of youtube channels like this that I knew how to upgrade my class to a job at level 30, what "item level" refered to, and how to play my role at all. I'm still pretty bad, but I managed to get through the whole msq! Thanks for all the help Zepla!
I'd played FF11 before but forgot more or less everything in those 10 years out of MMOs. I had no idea what mechanics meant. Not helped by asking in the first dungeon to be told 'vroom vroom mechanics are for cars'. Complete with some admittedly cool ASCII art of a moogle in a go kart.
I still remember having to Google what DoT’s and AOE’s were because I was so lost when I started this game having never heard of it before and having no mmo experience.
Zepla must of missed that side quest where Haurchefant teaches casters how to slide cast. Its like the best quest in the game. 10/10, would watch Harchefant moonwalk again.
Btw he taught physical damage players how to double weave their off gcd abilities
Taught me both as a SAM eheh
Is this in a side quests or msq cause i don't remember this at all.
Wait, this is a thing?
PLD used to slide cast until Shb where Requiescat gives instacast. It's a massive difference, especially since you have a full GCD for weaving again.
Haurchefant taught PLDs how to cover 🛡️
For me, the "bad player" is the player that, having already done the duty several times, expects everyone to have the same level of knowledge about the duty that they have, or a player that sees a sprout (me) making a mistake (also me) and doesn't give a word of advice and instead just keeps saying "bruh", "bruh, wtf", "bruh, whats wrong with you", and after one or two wipes finally tells me that I shouldn't be moving too much cause I was aggroing every mob in the area with a "bruh, stop fuckin movinh" (I swear every time this person talked, he started with a "bruh"). Being a new player, I am glad to say that my experience with the dungeons and trials is getting better as I progress through the story and unlock more of those. The unfortunate truth about this waves of players coming to FFXIV is that all the good things people say about the community are hidden behind hours and hours of progress to finally reach a point in the story that's not infested with newbies like me that doesn't know what to do, that's because the chance of you meeting a sprout in a trial during Shadowbringers MSQ is way smaller than the chance of meeting a sprout to fight Ifrit during ARR, and this affects the new player experience in a big way, that's my theory at least.
Bruh you better calm down 😂😂
Just say that you are in that dungeon/trial for the 1st time and i would think that most players will understand and personally i dislike looking up guides unless you are planning on doing a extreme version of a fight
if im tanking and your doing your job and not pulling mobs and prepared to listen to advice learning mechanics is part of the sometimes frustrating fun of it we all have to learn i couldnt care less if players are sprouts or not !!
Well, personally in content with sprouts I may ask if ppl want advice if it's really vital for the run.
However, I generally prefer to not say anything/much about mechanics to let ppl have the feeling of first experience with all its clumsiness.
When I play FFXIV the default expectation for me is that I'm wasting time and relaxing, so I don't feel a need to optimize in normal content.
To the contrary, some unintentional screw ups can make the run more unique and memorable.
Sure, I sigh internally when healers spam medica 2 instead of appropriate heals (that don't drain their mp) and have to adjust pulls if I play as tank, sure I feel "wee here we go again" when I see tank has nq old levelling gear in f.ex. Vault as a healer, or just stare in silent acceptance when a run takes ages due to dps/others not using aoe or basic rotations.
That's normal... but in many of those cases I don't really feel my advice or input would make the run any more enjoyable either.
If you see those things in normal mid level normal content, chances are they won't learn even if I say anything, and I'll just spend even more time explaining for nothing and dragging the run longer.
It's like seeing a player without job crystal in Stormblood content... you can't help everyone, and the journey is unique to everyone.
So... for me it's like either it's not bad enough to nitpick and back seat optimize, or they give the red flags of a player that is beyond help.
Oh, just want to mention this one too: wipes are ok and normal.
Party wipe isn't some monster that blows up my world, at worst it costs a few gil in repairs and a few extra minutes... it's just solid feedback that says "do better".
@@vilidious most of the time i dont really care till it starts effecting the run constantly if it gets done it gets done.. ill offer some advice if where failing often or no tank stance which happens often with noobs !!
This is wholesome content!! I’m glam hunting at the moment as a Bard and honestly the practice of going through dungeons over and over has been the best help. I’m not the best player and I’m way too nervous to dip my toe into extreme stuff at the moment but practice makes better I hope :)
There are tons of guides available to help, look for The Balance discord server for tips and guides to optimize your play specific to each role/class, as well as guides for the EX fights to see what mechanics each fight has and how to handle them
Don't worry too much about EX trials, maybe do the EX trials from ARR for practice, like Garuda, Titan and Ifrit they're pretty easy to learn nowdays, a lot of mechanics are skipped because of the high dps compared to when they were current content.
If you jump in you'll find that a lot of the party is like you, first time in an EX and willing to learn! Most of the time you even find someone that is willing to explain all the mechanics over and over again, don't be scared :)
Maybe just watch a guide on YTB before joining, it helps! Don't overthink too much!
@@MoonlightHusky yes, EX is entirely optional content and if you’re not comfortable running it, that’s fine!
lotta people would do well to understand that there's relatively very little "good players only" content in this game, because lord have mercy are there so many players who misunderstand "time consuming" for "hard"
it's the same in every game: the worst attitudes are always adopted by the least remarkable people
my main problem when i first started playing was tunnel vision, i'd constantly get hit because i was paying attention to my hotkeys and not the boss's cast bar
it helped a lot when i moved the target castbar down to where my hotkeys were lol
Omg I was wondering if I could move that, now I know I can, thank you :D (I have the same problem)
I put the enemy's cast bar right above my hotbar and set its size to 200% just to be sure I don't miss it 😅
I made the enemy castbar 180% in size and put it on top of my hotbars, slightly below the center of the screen. Sounds stupid, but it helped me a lot in e9s, and even more in HoH because of the interruptible casts and other mechanics where I need to see the castbar.
Everyone is guilty of that, especially if you've been playing like 15 hours at a time on your day off like I do lol
Trying this now !!! Thanks 👍
When I was going through my lancer's lvl 30 class quest I kept failing. I went through that fight 6 times before beating it. I couldn't figure out why I had so hard a time on it. When I got my new spear I pressed the auto equip button and saw my problem: I was still wearing level 15 gear.
Turns out I was so into the game that I kept forgetting to gear. I felt so dumb.
Yeah, as a general rule in any rpg, never use the auto gear button. It screws you over more than anything else. I recently partnered with a tank acquaintance to run roulettes and they had caster accessories equipped because of auto equip
I've never had a knack for being good at games unlike my friends. So I gotta harder at improving than most. My personal skill ceiling is pretty low too. Harder content sounds fun but I don't feel like I'm missing out to too much. I have enough fun with the game as it is and people are nice.
People forget that crafting jobs are still jobs! And it takes skill to master those, too. Maybe give one of those a try!
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The only time I’ve struggled on solo stuff is when there’s no healer and since I’m a black made we have literal ZERO healing for ourselves or others. Sometimes if you can’t sleep them for some reason you get overrun. But I also want to find players to talk with but it’s tough, especially on controller.
I suggest getting a keyboard just for talking. I have a usb keyboard for my PS4 for this reason alone. I love controller play, but an actual keyboard is so much better than the virtual keyboard for the necessary communication.
Chocobo focused on healing if you don't already use one. My life soloing as dps classes is so much better with my chocobo friend healing me.
I remember having a moment of realization after reaching lv70 with astro, while watching a guide, that I had totally misread the ability "Divination and had been using it wrong for 20 levels... I always thought you needed to match three rather than get one of each. I hated myself for so long after that but Astro is still my main now I'm in high end 80 content and I've even been teaching my friends how to play the class as well. I always find that pointing out my own mistake to them makes them a lot more receptive of guidance because they know it's coming from someone who got to this point by failing until I got it right instead of from someone who acts perfect/pretentious about it. I'm the first to admit my own mistakes and shortcomings and I tend to listen to those who use theirs to teach other people's. So yeah, here's a reminder to people learning a new class... if something is worded a little strangely or you aren't sure when or how to use an ability you can always just look it up or ask people for help. Everyone started somewhere and not all the abilities are worded very well XD
Had a very similar thing happen to me while levelling scholar, adloquium says that if it heals "critical health" it gives a much larger shield. I was level 60 on scholar before I saw a guide online that explained that means if the ability crits, not if you heal someone from low HP. So I was using adlo completely wrong up to that point and was confused why I couldn't get the bigger shield. People say read your tooltips but I've always done that and sometimes the explanation isn't perfect or intuitive. The community is wonderful though and there are guides everywhere that explain not only what your abilities do but how you should be using them and players in game are much more likely to notice a player struggling and offer help than be mean to them.
Being bad is almost entirely about attitude and not skill. I mean, if you're joining a clear party in PF then there's an actual requirement for skill and experience. But if you're choosing to queue for a daily roulette with random players then you're choosing to play with a *gasp* random group of players of all skill levels. Sometimes this means you'll need to play "above" your comfort level but sometimes it means you'll have to play with those who are "worse" than you. You alone have the power to turn this into a whine fest, try to be a helpful leader, or just shut up for accept that your run is going to take 16 minutes instead of 12. A "bad" player is one who tries to force their way of playing on others just as much as a player who is having challenges with the mechanical aspects of the game.
So, yeah, try to learn and grow. Try to play well and play better. But also try to respect the others you're playing with, whether they're "better" or "worse" than you especially if it's in random casual content that you're choosing to take part in.
_Fucking _*_THIS._*
True story: I was running Qitana Ravel for glamour purposes (dat BRD bow, tho), as we had a GNB who was, as they said, "still fairly new to tanking", a SMN who made some interesting choices in Egis, but seemed to at least know what was going on.
And then we had an AST. I don't know what it is about me and AST players, but I always seem to find the ones that either can't lay down effective healing and choose to bitch and complain before leaving *OR* they choose to just feel holier-than-thou and nitpick every little thing done. This person was the latter, as I'm pretty sure he started griping the *moment* the dungeon started and nitpicked *every little thing* about what the GNB and SMN did, doing little to provide constructive criticism or - if he actually *did* have something to suggest - doing it in the most condescending way possible.
I am...*so* glad that the Vote Dismiss option is a thing in this game. Really lets you weed out the arrogant seeds.
IT IS YOUR ATTITUDE WHAT IT SUCK HERE ...
Exactly. People need to set their expectations accordingly. Whining about "bad" players in random roulettes makes you the entitled one.
I've always played tanks in mmo's, FFXIV led me to like dps jobs a lot more, cuz their playstyles are so different from each other in some way or another, i recently started playing BLM and the learning process was hard, mostly cuz my rotation differed a lot from levels 30 to 50 and then every 10 levels after, i was playing a lvl50 dungeon with a friend using his "calculator", and i was doing really low damage, so we chatted on the rotations and other mechanics that the job has, things like keeping my dot up or the transition between ice and fire phases. After a few days of learning and playing roulletes, i queue up with my friend again and my damage SIGNIFICANTLY improoved, he was very proud, and so was i, learning new jobs is scary at times, but really fun when you improove at them. Next stop is a healer job, maybe sage so i can take my time to learn instead of grinding for lvls. lmao
Hey that's how we go! For a healer, id like to point out all of the three we have feel wildly different and im willing to bet Sage will be too. Just know how you play a WHM and how you play SCH id a bit different. SCH likes to prevent damage, WHM likes to undo it, for examplr
I love Bmage, even though it gets a lot of crap for the leveling process
But you're absolutely right, the rotation changes depending on which 10-tier you're working with
I'm sure you've heard this a few times, but if you're picking up sage next it couldn't hurt to get some sch practice (plus it levels smn)
Be warned though, sch can be truly rough to level until 45 - my *actual* advice, level smn (if you haven't) to at least 45, then take your sch practice from there
(Speaking from sch as my favorite healer, those low levels...oof...)
I would recommend picking up Arcanist if you're interested in heals. It starts out as a DPS, so you get the core rotation down of weaving Ruin, Bio, Miasma together with pet abilities. Then at 30 it splits into Summoner and Scholar. Summoner is a really, really fun DPS job with a beast of a rotation at 80. But Scholar is a really enjoyable heals job, and the fairy you get as a summon will actually do 90% of the healing for you in low level dungeons, giving you more freedom. The fact that Scholar is a bubble healer means you can critically think about your heals in big trial and raid fights by pre-bubbling your group to soak raid wide damage. And since both Scholar and Summoner rely on base Arcanist for levels, they both level up together! So you can decide whether to DPS or heal that day without hurting one or the other.
Its always baby black mages who need guidance and its always nice to give it. Ive had like 5 different people say hi cus they were there for me teaching a friend of theres i had just happened to catch on a training dummy :3
I think unironically what makes a bad player in entry level content is not always just skill and dps checks, it's completely not understanding mechanics that have been forcefed to you even throughout the whole leveling experience. Running away when you got the stack above you, not moving away from groups when you've got an ability landing on you. Purposely having bad positioning, having the reaction time of a snail to the point where you can make the groups wipe purely because you are moving 2 seconds too late. It's the biggest annoyance and it just requires basic thinking and reaction time to not fail at.
Completely agree,but sometimes it happens to get hit by a mechanic bc of lag or internet issues,nontheless u should always try to get away from mechanics
What makes me a great player is that I learn from my mistakes and I can eventually see others making mistakes while I am perfection.
Please calculate poor internet connection into your assessments of others' and their playing abilities.
@@Kayenne54 Lag doesn't make people run away with a stack marker--it'd make them hold still.
Purposely having bad positioning? I don't think anyone does these on purpose, just learning situational awareness in the game
After watching this I ran to Sky, Earth, Sea just to see how bad my dps really is on BRD. After consulting my abacus, I feel much better about maining BRD. My only issue is making sure my dots don't drop off. I am getting better though :)
Answering the video before watching because that's how internet works :v
Bad players are the ones that refuse to read their own class skills and the game menus, and also won't listen to any advice from more experienced players.
The singular instance where I really care is when a person rejects any responsibility for achieving the bare minimum to complete the accomplishment they're trying to do with a group of players. An entitlement to how they spend their time that ironically wastes the time of 7 other people.
Those who like to tell others that they don't pay their sub tend to forget that they also only pay their own $15
Thats when you boot them off the team
With 14, everyone goes on a journey. It’s the heart of this game, both with msq as well as outside of it. Bad apples will always be among us, therefore tolerance will be required. no matter how one journeys, we all strive🤗
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Yeah tell me about it, im lvl 59 paladin and i still haven't reached heavensward because i constantly find different things to do in the game, currently im doing the zodiac weapon quests for the paladin but i really need to continue the main story to unlock 2-3 skills (lvl 52 to lvl 54 skills) from paladin job quests that are locked and waiting for me at "HW"
(Basically i could do more DPS, but that 1 skill that replaces my 3rd combo ability as an upgrade is a "HW" skill, so until then im lacking in potential DPS and im sure that other classes might suffer from the same problem if they dont focus on doing the main quest and lvl up too quickly)
@@soldierorsomething The thing is... You would get synced to lv 50 or lower for like 95% of the content you'd do until you pass into heavensward, so those skills wouldn't be available to you outside of open-world content. the potential dps could be higher, however the content that you have access to was made without that potential DPS in mind. So, as long as you have a decent grasp of your toolkit at your disposal, you shouldn't be having issues whatsoever.
The most important thing is to do what is fun for you, even if you end up over-leveled. FF14 is a journey, not a race to endgame, so try to enjoy your time going through it. :)
@@m8vg1x I surely will and thanks to the LVL boost that secondary jobs get from your main job´s LVL also helps you to level up other classes, so it would make sense to get your main job to max level since all the other jobs will get around 200-300% xp boost from it when the level difference is so high between level 1 and 80
@@soldierorsomething it's not a boost. More like an exp bonus that scales pretty flat. it's 100% exp before lv 70 and 50% from 70 to max, but that will probably be bumped up with the new expansion release to 100% until 80 and 50% to the new max. The exp bonus may not be as high, but it definitely helps with leveling alt characters when the MSQ is complete, as new game+ doesn't give exp. But, you have options such as fates, roulettes and the challenge log, as well as palace of the dead for 1-60, heaven-on-high for 61-70 and bozja for 71-80, all very good pieces of side-content in their own right.
As someone with a disability, the notion of being a "bad player" stresses me out and gives me prefomance anxiety. Im super happy that DPS meters are no-no, and that most of the community is pretty understanding and chill with the fact that I'll never be able to play as well as some others.
I agree that there should be better in-game tools to help improve yourself, but also to good know your own limits and not insist that everyone should perform to savage raiding standards in less difficult content. I might do savage again, but only in a casual sense =) I do love the large number of different difficulty content. Savage was just stressful and not fun for me, but EX trials (or whatever the equivalent is called these days, as I'm a returning player) just hits the sweetspot in difficulty vs feelings of mastery and accomplishment =)
There are definitely bad players, as there are learning, and okay players. The bad one? Are more than often people that believe they are the best and don't need improvement. You can ALWAYS improve, even after 8 years, I'm still learning!
I mained RDM after I was able to unlock it. And I thought I was pretty good. Managed my mana and ressed teammates. Til I did Titan Savage (E4S). It was unlocked by then (I think) and two of my friends taught me all the savage fights up until that point. We did a couple of practise fights until we saw enrage then they thought I was ready for a "Kill for Friend". Spoilers I was not. Made a group, it filled pretty quickly and as soon as it started someone posted their twitch link. Turns out they were a streamer with like 200ish people watching. And we failed.......ALOT. I screwed up in phase 1 alot but was slowly getting better. But we only saw phase 3 a couple of times before dieing. I was curious so I went on the streamers twitch and the first thing I heard was "This RDM is trash!". Turns out my damage was worse than both tanks and even one of the healers was on par with my damage. I confronted my friends who said I was a decent RDM and they admited that they've been carrying me through the content and thought they would be good enough to get me through Titan. I was furious! Apparently it was too much of a hassel to teach me important things like rotation, gear and materia. "You could of looked it up yourself." Yeah let me look up thing I didn't know existed! Went back to the twitch channel and even wrote in chat "Hey your favorite RDM here, what can I do to improve." The streamer said that "I had alot of.....spheres to just announce myself on chat like that after he ripped me a new one live infront of 200 people. But what the heck." He gave me some basic tips about the fight. I had some materia on me and while reseting the instance I bought some food and pots. I was still bad but it was enough. In the end we spent 10 Hours in total slogging through and eventually got the kill. Even saved the run by pulling off some clutch raises. It changed FFXIV for me forever. I was called trash and in the end I was happy for it. Been doing savage ever since.
Maybe they should just have told you what you were doing wrong instead of calling you trash. Because you clearly weren't. Trash is someone who's stuck in their ways. Not someone who makes a bunch of mistakes while being completely unaware of it with no one to tell them.
Still not as bad as those friends of yours who took you into savage while knowing your gameplay could use some improvements. Don't get me wrong.
Out of curiosity, if your damage was _that_ bad, what was the key thing you were doing wrong? Was it the ABC? Inefficient use of Embolden? Not using your cooldowns off cooldown? Something else? All of the above?
I've recently started RDM, I think what I'm struggling with the most is one a crippling fear of displacement, so I miss out on a bit of dmg there, using corps a corps more, and timing my melee and embolden better. Come from dancer too, so despite being a quick caster I still feel less mobile in comparison, so upkeep probably needs some work whilst doing mechanics, essentially I guess just knowing content a little better will help with most.
@@Dharengo yes. mind you i didn't know much of rotation at all so figuring out when to use embolden during crit phases or timing manafication correctly I learned after that fight. I don't mind him calling me what i was at the time. In his view I was some random who thought I was good when I clearly wasn't.
@@Niki-xx6je I get that feeling and you're not a rdm until you backflip to your death atleast 5 times. Not my fault it's the rules. Also once I got engagement I just switch it out if I know the areas are too tight.
@@nhahtrebor91 i main redmage and have been since e4s, its really easy to fuck up with rdm because it is the lowest damage dealing caster in the game currently. its also really damaging when redmages dont read their tips at level 80 because reprise is actually useful when you need to move and have yet to optomize your rotation in a fight. best way to use displacement is to just dont be afraid to go "inside" the hitbox, 9/10 chances you did you will never fall off form the stadium.
i read my job skills description, i'm watching guides, i take all advices i can, but... i'm still bad at my job, so... yeah. Trust system save my pleasure to play, and i really, really enjoy this game again^^"
Bad players are the ones who buy clears.
Honestly though, at least watch a guide before you do extreme or savage content before joining one in a party finder, just to know what you should expect.
so, you're saying becuase I am not bad, I'm never going to get clears on a lot of stuff I had wanted badly to, due to the gatekeeping asshats who are in charge of basically every raid static even ones advertised as "Casual" or "sMC"? I tend to agree. I've always put in max effort and while I'm not going to be speed clearing or doing world first progs, I've always been able to do my part or more to clear. People have been demanding more and more for things that you do not need to clear, numbers far higher than actually needed.
I will bother logging into FFXIV when the dominant raid mentality is back to being "Performance is practice+effort+time" and people stop gatekeeping based on subpar logs before you even get a chance.
To be fair on the point of solo duties, there are a couple that are challenging for new players on normal. The level 50 samurai job quest comes to mind.
The lv30 Gladiator quest at the bridge, too. That took me way too long to clear as a new player.
I got no sense of orientation so I failed a duty or two because of that. Also took me several tries in the LV 80 tank role quest duty as a PLD due to me taking my sweet time to figure out mechanics.
Sending this to the ninja in my static
It's me 😔
great advice from Zepla is always appreciated. my fear is that a comment section like this is overestimating the number of "willfully" ignorant players. maybe or maybe not, It just doesn't feel good seeing that disabled gamers have to self identify just to avoid getting harassed. nobody likes a white knight, but fact is the only "real" difference between a player who is bad out of ignorance or out of circumstance is your perception and attitude towards them. not that I disagree with the consensus, I just insist on putting out a contrarian viewpoint.
Ya having impairments suck. Especially if like me shader/colorblind. I’m glad that debuffs has down arrows lol
There seems to be a rising current in the game that labels people as bad and then blames them for it, saying they are choosing to be bad. It's sad to see someone like Zepla add to that sentiment because people are using it to harass others.
I had this healer main who was tanking at the time that got really angry that I was healing and dps'ing . He wanted me to only heal and not dps. At some point I had enough of his moaning so I let him die on purpose and raise him immediately and fully healed him and kept everyone alive and pretended I just pressed the wrong button. He didn't realise I did it on purpose and instead lost it and started pointing out that this was the reason I was supposed to only heal and not dps 🤣🤣🤣
Also once when Shadowbringers just came out I was leveling whm in one of the new dungeons. Just spam running the same dungeon. Did like 4 runs with different tanks. Went well. Had fun with no issues. Than on my 5th run had a drk as a tank that wanted to pull as much as possible and only kept using the darkest night for defense. Also their gear was pretty bad for the dungeon we were doing. I struggled so hard to keep this person alive. Had no openings at all to dps less this tank died. After the first pull the tank and one of the dps who I guess was his friend started accusing me of being a bad healer and not dps'ing and just being a bad healer. We do another pull. All my big healing spells are on cooldown still. Tank pulls every mob before the boss. We die. We go in again. I have my big spells again. Tank pulls again I had to fully focus on healing this horrible tank to keep them alive. They start moaning again about me not dps'ing after the pull and they kick me at the first boss.
I queue up for the same dungeon. I got a pld. This pld knows what he is doing. The whole dungeon. No issues. I had alot of opportunities to dps and I did and was having fun again.
After the run with the pld I queued again and I got a drk. This drk just like the pld, knew what he was doing. No issues the whole dungeon . I was healing and dps'ing and having fun.
It was obvious after those two runs who the real bad player was 😁
The only time I ever got angry at a healer who was “healing and DPSing” was when it led to me getting killed. They were doing the bare minimum with their healing and it kept getting the party wiped for no reason. I’m a healer main and I get that DPSing is part of the role, but keeping the tank alive SHOULD come first. That’s the only time. Lol.
You have an unhealthy godcomplex. Plese seek other outlets then ruining other players day.
Healers have the biggest decisionmaking-power and with great power, you tend to your own ego.
The game is pretty forgiving as it is, it's just the matter of respecting other player's time and effort.
Zephla going 5 minutes without self cackling challenge:
She failed 2:33 minutes in.
Just as useless when it comes to self control as she is with informative content creation.
As you were talking I though, "She'd make a great teacher." Of course you were one! It shows in your videos a lot, because you come off as really understanding. :)
Sometimes you need to find the "skill ceiling" of a player.
Not all players are good enough to clear all content of the game no matter how hard they try.
I've encountered this and it can be quite difficult to realize this if you are surrounded by top players all the time.
For them it's not about that they are not concentrated or that they don't care. They focus on the game but they are simply not able to.. this can be due to them being raised without any training of fine and fast movement (I worked in intesive padagogy childcare I have enough horrorstories how neglect can cause life long difficulties). There are people whos hand-eye coordination is simply insufficient.
But never give up on these people because they also deserve to play the game as well as they can and as much as they can. Sometimes its enough for them to switch to a certain class that is more forgiving on movement or just able to take more punishment like a tank.
But figuring all this time requires a lot of time, attention and patience. It's an angels work tho for the person who is affected.
I have general tips for such cases. If you can always play in a team with that person mark yourself and run always where the person is supposed to go and train the base rotation of their class until they are good enough at it or if they simply can't get the base rotation find the hardest hitting spells or general heals like aoe so that they have at least some impact (this is ofc. a very extreme example). However to not make that person dependant on only you encourage them to talk to other players (and tell them her difficulties) when they get in new groups like statics in order for them to be able to play the game without you.
If the person doesn't have sufficient hand-eye coordination at all or has some kind of disabilities there is one major thing you can do. Help them find their way in the game. These types of players are usually not interested in high skill content because of achievements etc. but because they want to play with their friends or be part of a community.
You can help those find the right place by explaining to them all the communities and activities the game provides. (Just don't expose them to Balmung ERP(JK(no not JK(JK))).
I do not have experience in teaching (phsyically) disabled players but usually there are already established communities that help out with setups, macros for games, etc that help playing games. (I don't know any but I would guess they can be easily googled).
I know this was a lot to read and I'm sorry if it's not helpful for your specific situation but feel free to contact me (or reply to this post) if you have a question or would like to add something to the above mentioned.
Even if this post just helps 1 more player to enjoy playing games I'm glad I posted it.
Have a nice day
Btw. I had 3 stages of not being good at what I do in MMOs.
2005-2007 I was just a casual exploriong wow, playing like I wanted and mostly doing pvp as instant pyro mage I hadnt need to give a care in the world. When I later changed to melee in PVE and all of a sudden sucked at dps I asked other players what is wrong with me. It was a 30 seconds discussion and I was never again bad at playing the game. I improved my hitcap, started reading guides (mostly forums back then) and continued my journey.
I dunno I think it was aroun 2010 when I started to take over officer positions due to players leaving the game and then I sucked at teaching other players by assuming they have the same knowledge or ability to learn from simply posting the link to a guide like I did. This only improved after my work in intensive padagogy childcare.. when I realized or rather was confronted with physically and mentally limited people that really made me fine-tune my empathy for others.. and ever since I got good at teaching others..
And then I started working in tech support and now have the patience of a godlike enlightened being bcause I'm actually good at that job.
If you really want to teach people. Relax, get a lot of patience and really tune your empathy. Without those 3 tools I do not recommend to try to help or teach people.
This is such a good comment. Thank you. Much love to you.
Hm... No, I don't think I'll ever be good enough to do Ultimate content. I can't even do Savage. I struggle with Extreme so much I avoid it as much as possible. I'm just not born with the capacity to get good at such things. I mean I still try to improve myself for the regular content, but I can't handle the stressful environment of being in a fight where everyone can die because of something I did wrong.
I dont know what it is lately, but recently I've come across some absolute.... oddballs in the duty finder, just in the previous 24 hours I have had:
-A tank in sastasha that wouldnt use his tank stance even after we kept spamming him to use his tank stance using the translate function (and in english + japanese)
-A lvl 60 GLADIATOR (Paladin with no job stone) In a trial
-A lvl 60 Astrologian that wouldnt select a sect.
-A few astro's that just wouldnt draw cards
-TWO lvl 80 Ninjas that never used trick attack
-A samurai that used Tsubame-gaeshi on his Higanbana
-A few summoners using titan egi (just why are summoners all of a sudden using titan? Ive seen more titans in the past week than the past year)
-Healer that went afk for 4 minutes 50 seconds at the start off the dungeon... you cant kick people until atleast 5 minutes has passed in the dungeon, when we were about to kick him he came running back... I think he did it on purpose honestly.
-A black mage with 0% durability gear who "didn't know she was meant to repair gear"
-And finally, a lvl 80 dancer who never dance partnered the entire raid
I dont know whats been in the water lately, whether its boosters or people that just dont care enough. Every single one of these ive tried to tell them how they could improve and I just got no response most of the time, the only one I can forgive is the tank in sastasha... barely... maybe he was a young kid or something... but all the others... yikes.
"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field." - Niels Bohr
When I was a sprout and leveling my first class (arcanist), I thought it smart to use my heal skill to 'help' out the healer in a dungeon until they told me to stop. At the time it made me feel like shit, a terrible player, a noob, but now, thinking back to that incident, I feel grateful that they pointed it out because it made me think about the tasks of each role more and reflect on my gameplay. Even now, almost three years later, I'm still figuring out the 'right' way to play my main healer but as long as I'm open to improvement and advice, I don't see the issue. It's refusing to take criticism from well-meaning individuals and repeating the same mistakes over and over that in my humble opinion makes a bad player.
On the other hand, I had a WHM who literally didn’t heal, and made the arcanist sprout heal. It was so bad that I did smaller pulls instead of going wall-to-wall to alleviate his problems, and the WHM pulled the rest instead of doing anything useful like dpsing the current mobs or healing so the arcanist could do it (WHM gets holy at 45 I think, so they can’t even contribute to aoe damage).
Poor sprout was stressed after that, so I thanked him for healing and told him he could spec into healing if the queues bothered him.
To be certain, I take pride as a healer and it’s almost insulting when someone heals (because I am perfection as a healer and am so good even haurchefant survived), but I’ve never told anyone to stop because I understand it comes from a good place. It just seems like healers always have some sort of problem.
Actually is you're doing random dungeons and the tank is undergeared and having troubles it's not a bad idea to heal too if you can.
Lmfao I used to do that too
I'm a lvl 60 arcanist and didn't know I could heal other players
Ah yes, the ancient "combat Abacus". I got mine from Pharao Ramses the III
tbh, some people haven't found the right class for them to go "oh, I can actually DPS/healer or tank!"
as someone who level up samurai, dancer and just finish red mage. I feel like red mage is the one I learn how to play and I go in a duty feeling good about my performance.
I always sucked at DPS, I ended up playing warrior first, then gunbreaker, then white mage before giving DPS a go. DPS bad players have it easier, no one hardly wants to call out a bad dps player but if it's healers or tank is a whole other story. Honestly, at the end of the day, don't get defeated because a lot of people want to help and just give you that push into performing better and for the ones that don't, you got a blacklist option for a reason.
I started on pug, and got really bored quick, got bard and I've made it my main class for my alts too. Dancer and red mage felt like a second skin
The thing about dps is that if you're bad, you can usually still clear content, unless you're doing extremes or above, but if you're a bad healer or tank, content can usually take significantly longer, and you see the mistakes far easier. That's why nobody really wants to play healers.
@@plumtucker9514 glad you found a class you like! I haven't tried bard yet but plan to try other classes when I feel up for it.
@@Lyrxen yeah, which I totally get and understand and still enjoy healer/tank a lot over dps still but can't say I noticed because I'm no where near ready for savage or anything like that.
They also made healer/tank easier on the rotation but a lot more watching the party which can almost be easier for me vs remembering a rotation because everyone would hate to see my actions bars with the same perk on it 5 times because I struggle on remembering rotation.
one thing I actually kinda liked about the old cross-class system (and needing to level a second class to level 15 to get your job crystal) was that it served as a good nudge to get people to try out other classes. Being able to play everything on one character is one of the biggest positives of this game and I'll always highly encourage people to try out every kind of play style.
Both to see what kind of class ends up feeling right for you, but also to get a sense of how other jobs work to some degree whenever you play with them in a party.
I appreciate your view on this: the difference between a New player, a Weak player, and a Bad player - time in the game and a willingness to research and adjust play style. A major adjustment for me is when for instance I was level 55 and had received new skills which replaced old ones on my hotbars, then did a level 47 dungeon and most of the skills I was trying to use wouldn't work. (Pretty bad when the healer can't heal.) But the party leader was chill and just talked me through it and we finally finished. Now I am trying to make sure I still have the lower level skills on a hotbar (using Ctrl+keys with the extra mouse button tied to Ctrl). Also someone just taught me yesterday that looking at other players bars, when you see a debuf on them with the blue line across the top it means it is a detrimental effect you should Esuna. That would have been so nice to know earlier - I wish I had known to search for "how to know when to use Esuna". Maybe someone should do a list of things to watch out for when you are new and leveling?
I will forever be thankful to the kind soul who explained the Ninja to me after running a random dungeon. You helped me so much and it improved not only my skill, but also made me enjoy the class so much more!
6:20 1 minor thing, but a few job / role quests have very specific mechanics only used in those duties. So you may fail just because you haven't read the event chat whilst doing them x)
there's a few of them I failed once despite paying attention to that but failing to understand what they were actually telling me to do. Sometimes it ends up being a little bit counterintuitive.
I hate to say it but I might actually be a bad player. I definitely had a few solo boss fights where I couldn’t progress without lowering it to Easy...
So many times in multiplayer I find myself not fully understanding the mechanics especially for raids and then next thing you know boom I’m dead again.
I’m good at my BLM rotation and my gear is pretty high level but yeah man Idk the game is also hard so there’s that
Same I don’t manage to learn the mechanics fast enough until I die in the instanced content
Bad reflexes or lack of game knowledge can be improved with a half hour guide from Wesk Alber and some practise. A bad attitude is a life long journey towards not being a prick that too many people don't even start.
Also, those flowers in your hair look adorable.
I commented about WeskAlber too. His rotation guides have carried me hard
When picking up a new job, literally the first thing I do is pull up a guide from him
A bad attitude has ruined raiding for everyone else already. gatekeeping shitlords have taken over since SHB started.
'Am I tunneling?' Oh wow yeah. My issue. Situational awareness.
Always good to stay humble. I started off playing bard and used it as my main job for a year before I realized that sidewinder is a single target attack and shadowbite is an aoe attack. I just assumed that shadowbite was stronger since I got it later.
5:55 That doesn't apply for healers. NPC's doesn't act the way a human player would, we can't even use Rescue on them, for some quests you simply have to watch them stand in AoE simply because NPC's doesn't move, and there's nothing I could've done to change that.
I cry every time...
When they run away with a stackmarker and no longer have a sprout icon.
if that person is a tank and pops invuln for it I can see an excuse, otherwise, yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah..
@@zeehero7280 no matter the role I stick close to the boss when I got a stack marker as that's where most of the party is anyway and it's the direction they normally look at.
Tell me about it. Even worse is when they don't have a sprout icon and they stack two stack markers. This has happened every single time I've done The Seat of Sacrifice, with the exception of day 1.
@@fandaniel598 Yeah, like wtf dont stack the stacks lol.
bad player to me when they don't even try to learn the game's for themselves. All though I do know some people that are really into RP more than gameplay.... whatever makes them happy but just don't join savage if you're not willing to learn the game mechanics!
yea, i agree with that sentiment...
If you've been carried thru everything, please stay away from endgame-stuff. If you cannot do the Normal-fight without dying once, then the EX/Savage version is not for you.
If you think Stacking with the Stackmarker WHILE YOU HAVE A DIFF AOE on you is a good idea... no. Learn the basic mechanics, because you will see them over and over and over and over again but with more complexities.
Something I did a while ago that helped me out was I opened a pf and asked for help. I was learning how to Tank and I actually got some very helpful people. They ran a few dungeons with me and gave great advice.
I wish more people were that proactive. Some people cann't even be bothered to read the tooltips. Good on ya mate!
Fight Flight or Freeze … some people just Freeze at the keyboard
The WoW toxicity is spreading to FFXIV. My gf finally got to 80 and she was extremely hyped to do The Twinning because she loves the song. But one of the DPS began to be extremely rude to her because of her low damage (freshly dinged 80, so badly geared) because he just "wanted to do dailies". He completely ruined her first Twinning experience.
it had spread by the time Shadowbringers came out to become a malignant cancer tbh. Endwalker's 1st raid tier will be the moment of truth for raiding. if it's significantly improved, and finding a chill static of friends to clear with in not a rush but always giving your best, hardcore effort casual mentality style (as raiding should be) isn't impossible, maybe theres hope. If not, then I'm not going to be the only one unsubbing for good, and that's a given.
your gf should've screenshot the convo and reported. Although damage meter is tolerated for users to monitor their own performance, using it to criticize other players is a violation of ToS.
This almost never happens, noone cares in dungeons. Should've reported
you should've helped her report the person. criticizing someone's damage output counts as harassment and could've gotten him banned.
sucks that her first Twinning run was ruined.
@@ToMaSsS10 it does happen. i've yet to experience it but it has happened.
It depends on the content they do. If you join a farm party your expected to know a fight but if you just joined after clearing something once it can bring down the party. If you join a practice party but your dying to the same thing without asking questions or getting better then you’ll be kicked. At some point we’ve all been bad. It’s all about getting better.
I wish they at least implemented a personal DPS/HPS, etc. meter that only shows your own numbers so you are aware all the time what is your performance.
Is like a personal dose meter with an average dps indicator.
Doesn't single anyone out, will always be low due to healer dose
Bad tanks that i normally meet:
Healer: " new to healing, please go slow"
Tanks: *pulls all groups (even misc groups) to the first checkpoint*
They're good tanks though. Inconsiderate maybe but not bad.
I was in a dungeon and two sprouts kept saying they had been playing mmos for years but the white mage just spammed regen so we kept dying. When i told him to use other abilities he got super mad, and even when i told him i was a white mage main he wouldnt listen and him and his friend kept insulting me and being generally awful...
That’s an odd white mage. I consider it my duty to keep the party alive. I regen anyone who needs it and this does generally keep the dpsers alive but the tank usually requires a bit of attention.
The bad players are the ones who make it difficult for everyone else on purpose.
The good players are the players who have the resolve to improve and to persevere even when it's difficult.
The way you play doesn't matter if you're having fun.
I think what separates a good player from a bad player is ignorance. Sprouts can make dungeons difficult because they don't know any better, but if they listen to their team mates and get better, they're good players.
The bad players are the ones that won't listen and simply don't care. Not knowing something is where we all start, but ignorance is a choice.
Mostly agree with you. The way you play doesn't matter if *everyone* is having fun.
Players who run away from stack markers.
I had a really interesting one a couple of days ago... a stack marker went off at the same time as the bomb mechanic... so all three bombs ran towards the stack... and the bombs and the stack mechanic all went off at the same time. It was chaos.
@@SnowyRVulpix bruh
those are newbies, not bad players and they make me laugh so much