Watching your video I remember that I have an old Sigma 35-70 push-pull zoom! Seems similar to the one you mentioned in the video. Shot it some on a K5 (that I often regret selling) need to try it out on film with my P3n
The 18-135 is my "if I could have only one" lens. It is amazing. Fast, quiet focus. Great IQ wide open at every single focal length, IQ which holds up to insane crop amounts, which lets this make do as a wildlife lens too. Weather sealed. Good looking. Fun. To be honest, I kind of resent how good it is because when I leave the house how could I grab anything else? Unless I have some very specific photography planned, this lens is my go to.
I have the FA 50mm f/1.4. I t was one of the first lenses I bought when I got my brand new Pentax K10D. I wanted something fast for low light shots, bokeh, easy to carry. It spent a lot of time on my camera and still use it often. I have several 50's that are manual focus, but when I need auto focus the FA 50 gets the nod.
Another interesting 35-70 is the Minolta 35-70mm f4 Macro MD. Like the Pentax, it is 70 at its shortest, but it has a very useful macro function which allows a much shorter minimum focus difference. Image quality is excellent.
That FA 50 f1.4 is on my K1 right now. Just did a league shoot for my son's tball league with it. Did most of it at f5.6 and they're so sharp. Love it.
I have owned the SMC Pentax-M 40mm f/2.8 at least three times in my life (bought it for the first time in the late 1970s for my Pentax MX). It's a terrific lens, and I personally would keep it over my 43mm Limited if I had to.
I got the 18-135 not long ago, to replace my 18-55 Kit lens as an always stay on lens for humid and dusty situations, which I encounter most of the time on my Africa trips. But unfortunaly, it will take a while until I will be able to go on my next trip and start using this lens more. I didn't took much pictures until now, but I was impressed with this lens from the first photo I took. I also have the Pentax-M version of the 50mm f/1.4 which I bought from an old man in a little shop somewhere in the Medina of Marrakesh some years ago for only 120DH. The lens was not in a good shape, it looks like it was droped once really hard, but the optics works fine. It's my favorite lens for my REVUE AC4 SP.
Most of my lenses are vintage (inexpensive). My K1 mk ii is my everyday camera body and the last few weeks in my bag are a Kalimar 50mm 1.7 (all manual), Kalimar 135mm 2.8 (spent Sunday making myself only use that one - it felt like I was using a zoom, but I like the results), and a Tokina AT-X 24-40mm 2.8. Something about old glass on digital cameras. The natural darkness around the edges (FF camera does this. Not so much on my K3 Mk ii). I like to use Aperture priority, so I think I'm starting to get lazy and lean on my "Auto" vintage glass more. (I do have a Pentax 28-105mm D FA for my K1 mk ii, but I just don't like using it as much as this old stuff). For my K3 mk ii, I also have a few Sigma lenses (none are prime). I REALLY like my Sigma lenses too, but hate putting my K1 into crop mode more than I love the Sigma lenses (The Sigmas are = sharp as my Pentax 28-105).
Hey, I owned/own all of these lenses and totally agree with 18-135, but I decided to keep the 16-85mm instead because I needed more angle of view and 85mm was enough for me, and added a samyang 135mm F2 instead. The 35-70 is not easy to find without fungus, because of its zoom construction air is pumping in if you zoom in to 70mm. So fungus will find a place inside 😔. But it is a great lens. The M40 is a great lens for old film cameras, but the 40mm XS is extremely much more impressive. Less weight, less dimensions, autofocus (can't understand where this takes place inside...magical....or just incredible engineeringl) and the 40mm is great for point and shoot. The others I own too, but I like the F series much more than the FA series 50mm and Macro. I owned many Pentax lenses and still own a lot, but these 5 I would ever buy again: Digital/ APS-C: 1) DA 40mm f2.8 XS 2) DA 50mm F1.8 (or if your budget agrees: DA* 55mm F1.4) 3) DA 16-85mm 4) DA 35mm F2.8 limited macro 5) DA* 50-135mm F2.8 (great for portrait) On film/full frame: 1) F 28mm F2.8 2) A 50mm F1.4/1.7 (or if budget agrees: A50F1.2) 3) F 50mm F2.8 Macro 4) A Zoom 35-70 ( very good contrasts) 5) SMC 500mm F4.5 (the Monster! For astro/ birds) Best wishes
I sold my Samyang 135mm f2 this year (did you buy mine? Haha). It is a fantastic lens, I just lost my use for it (mainly used for astro, now I use DA* 300mm). I really think it's one of the best primes you can get on K mount. I know people will fight me for that though because it's not a Pentax branded lens :) I agree about the F series. I'm in love with mine. This year I picked up a few to have four total. F 28mm f2.8 F 50mm f1.7 F 100mm f2.8 macro F 135mm f2.8 I think I would try a 50 1.4 and a 50 2.8 macro on the series as well, but would have a hard time having so many 50's. Already have an SMC 50 1.2 as well. I really like that one on film. Thanks for the recommendations!
The 18-135 came to me with my first Pentax camera, the K-S2. It's the perfect lens to have on the camera if you're not gonna take anything else. But since I got the 55-300 PLM, that's what lives on the K-S2 most of the time, and for a 2 lens kit I'll rather take the Sigma 17-50 instead of the 18-135 (if I don't expect rain, that is). And some primes fight for their right to be on the camera as well, the 40, 70 and 100 (and a 21 is on its way to me :) ). A shorter macro would be nice sometimes, and I've heard good things about the 35 as well as the 50s. I've got the FA 50/1.4 as well. At 1.4 it's not easy, can be soft, but if everything comes together the images are great. I'm not sure I'd get the DFA for its cost, size and weight. The DA* 55/1.4 is supposed to be a great middleground, but I'm worried about SDM failure. And the 43 is a great rendering lens as well, and 1.9 on the K-1 is comparable to 1.4 on the K-S2, so I'm not overly concerned with getting something better in the 50s department right now :D
I hear really good things about the 55-300PLM. It does sound like the walk around lens to beat, as long as you don't need wide. You have a great set of primes there! Sounds like you're set! Great kit.
You wanted to know about "odd" lenses I've used? I consider the Pentacon 300mm f:4 to be different. Originally built for use with a mid-frame Pentacon camera, I have to adapt it for use on my Pentax K1. This is a totally manual lens that I used while in the camera's manual mode. Two beautiful Trumpeter Swans were photographed as they flew from the area after a week of swimming around a nearby lake. It has proven to be very good in regular photographic use also.
My favorite odd Pentax lens my 35-105 A lens . I bought it new in the 1980's at Disneyland they had a Pentax camera store on main street. A heavy great lens with good bokeh I will never sell or trade
It's really fun! I don't shoot much film. I found for myself that I like it most for shots of my own family, so that's why I don't share it too much on the channel. It takes me over a month to run through 36 exposures, and by the time I've used up enough rolls to want to develop them I have totally forgotten what I shot! Very fun. Might have a film video coming in the next few weeks.
Just bought the Pentax 2.8/40 for 79€. I'll give it a try, but anyway, I wanted to have it because of its tiny dimensions. It'll be my only lens for my motorcycle trips...
For ability over size, the Lumix 12-32 collapsible micro four thirds zoom takes some beating. On film, the Helios 103 is a stunning lens. Being Contax mount there's no helicoid, so adapting for digital is too complex for me to bother. Canon aps-c 24mm and 40mm pancakes were used constantly when I had a Rebel, the latter on EOS film cameras today. An old Sigma 28mm f1.8 is handy with an S5 for video. There are no bad lenses, only inappropriate subjects.
"there are no bad lenses, only inappropriate subjects" - I like that :) The Canon 24mm is on my list to pick up for my old Canons. I'll check out the 40 too. I do like compact primes :)
Actually the M 37-70 apart from the weird zoom pattern you mentioned is one of my favourite lenses. Its really sharp with great colours and bokeh. I'd never part from mine. Had the fa 50 1.4 but sold it for a A-50 1.7 eventually since I didnt use it that much and the manual 1.7 lenses are much more affordable. And more and more I'm thinking of getting a 18-135 for some all in one travel photography.
The 35-70 really surprised me! A lot of character on that lens. Plenty sharp when you want it to be. Sold mine because I have a million lenses, but it was fun to try. Agree about the manual 50's. The M 50 1.7 I think is one of the best deals. I can recommend the 18-135 wholeheartedly. It's not flawless, but if you can find one under $200 used I think well worth it for a one or two lens trip.
@@snappiness thought about getting the M 50 1.7 but went for the A series equivalent solely for the Av mode. I have found a 18-135 recently for 120€ (about 140$) and I regret not having bought it. The main reason for my doing so is that if I'd take it on a trip I'd have to leave the 50-135* behind! And I cant imagine leaving that lens out of my bag!! 😅😅 Still, a one lens on your camera idea is tempting
I would check out the A 35-70mm f/4. It is much like your M but more compact,lighter and it has a nice macro. It is only 7 element. I also use the Macro A 120mm f/4 645 lens with a K mount adapter. It has good sharpness at a very affordable price.
Hello :) I have some ancient MAGINON zoom lenses, and yes, you can try the russian Helios 44-K lens :) (k stands for pentax k bayonet mount). Pentax are VERY good cameras, and good way to escape the hype (canon, sony, nikon etc).
The m 40mm 2.8 is a daily go to for me it’s the lense I use the most besides my original 50 1.4 and I pair it with the me also minus the lack of full manual control it’s the best compact combo ps that 35-70 is interesting I’d like to give that one a try sounds like a good walk around lense
Nice lenses! If you find a 35-70 for a good price it's worth a try. I got mine attached to a film body without being specifically listed, so I got a good deal :)
I just bought a FA 50mm f1.4 lens for UV photography. That's one of few UV capable pentax lenses with AF. I also have a Sigma 70mm DGEX macro lens for UV photography. I am thinking to get a Pentax FA 50mm f2.8 macro for UV photography, but I am not sure if it's a UV capable lens. There is a link for all the UV capable lenses with AF.
Do you have any experience with the Pentax 50mm F1.4 K lens? I'm referring to the pre-M series. The one that has 52mm filter thread. Some folk still mix up M & K series lenses, believing that they are the same. P.s. I own the SMC K Pentax 28mm f3.5 52mm thread, and it's wonderful! The Ks are better built than the Ms, where I've experienced focussing & aperture ring issues, but never on my Ks, including my 55mm F1.8, which I love.
As I recall the M series is the screw mount, right? If so, I'm thinking of getting something like a Sigma FP with a screw-mount adapter and using a few of those lenes.
@@snappiness So "M" means "K." OK. Makes sense! I was thinking M-13 I guess. I have a few screw-mounts, since my only remaining display camera is a fine, black Spotmatic. I had some doozies (folding, 4x5, 6x6, 6x4.5, etc) but sold 'em.
@@snappiness That one is on my list! How did you like it? I picked up a used Fuji X-T20 about two weeks ago and have been enjoying it a lot with the 23mm f/2
@@Hey_Beau I really liked it. The body felt really close to my film cameras. I didn't have any native Fuji glass and thats something I would like to try in the future. It felt a bit dated, which is harder on earlier mirrorless cameras than DSLRs in my opinion. But it was good.
1:12 babe with Pentax spotted! What a find! Did you submit to National Geo, these things are fucking rare! Bigfoot... pfft... Female Pentaxian in the wild!? Weow! !
@@snappiness lol, yes brainwash them when they're young. "Daddy, what is that you're holding? Is it a camera?" "No hunny... it's a Pentax, there's no such things as cameras, we just use the term 'Pentax'". ahaa
Have you tried any of these lenses before? I almost go back to just the 18-135mm every day. It's that good.
Watching your video I remember that I have an old Sigma 35-70 push-pull zoom! Seems similar to the one you mentioned in the video. Shot it some on a K5 (that I often regret selling) need to try it out on film with my P3n
The 18-135 is my "if I could have only one" lens. It is amazing. Fast, quiet focus. Great IQ wide open at every single focal length, IQ which holds up to insane crop amounts, which lets this make do as a wildlife lens too. Weather sealed. Good looking. Fun. To be honest, I kind of resent how good it is because when I leave the house how could I grab anything else? Unless I have some very specific photography planned, this lens is my go to.
I have the FA 50mm f/1.4. I t was one of the first lenses I bought when I got my brand new Pentax K10D. I wanted something fast for low light shots, bokeh, easy to carry. It spent a lot of time on my camera and still use it often. I have several 50's that are manual focus, but when I need auto focus the FA 50 gets the nod.
40mm “pancake” lense is my all time favorites
Another interesting 35-70 is the Minolta 35-70mm f4 Macro MD. Like the Pentax, it is 70 at its shortest, but it has a very useful macro function which allows a much shorter minimum focus difference. Image quality is excellent.
The 18-135 is what I shoot with most for landscape shots. Your shots turned out exquisite!
It's a good one. :)
My 35mm f3.5 k mount is my favorite tiny lens!
Three snappiness videos in a week, It must be Christmas!
That FA 50 f1.4 is on my K1 right now. Just did a league shoot for my son's tball league with it. Did most of it at f5.6 and they're so sharp. Love it.
Wonderful :)
We need episode two of this! 😊
I have owned the SMC Pentax-M 40mm f/2.8 at least three times in my life (bought it for the first time in the late 1970s for my Pentax MX). It's a terrific lens, and I personally would keep it over my 43mm Limited if I had to.
I got the 18-135 not long ago, to replace my 18-55 Kit lens as an always stay on lens for humid and dusty situations, which I encounter most of the time on my Africa trips. But unfortunaly, it will take a while until I will be able to go on my next trip and start using this lens more.
I didn't took much pictures until now, but I was impressed with this lens from the first photo I took.
I also have the Pentax-M version of the 50mm f/1.4 which I bought from an old man in a little shop somewhere in the Medina of Marrakesh some years ago for only 120DH. The lens was not in a good shape, it looks like it was droped once really hard, but the optics works fine. It's my favorite lens for my REVUE AC4 SP.
Most of my lenses are vintage (inexpensive). My K1 mk ii is my everyday camera body and the last few weeks in my bag are a Kalimar 50mm 1.7 (all manual), Kalimar 135mm 2.8 (spent Sunday making myself only use that one - it felt like I was using a zoom, but I like the results), and a Tokina AT-X 24-40mm 2.8. Something about old glass on digital cameras. The natural darkness around the edges (FF camera does this. Not so much on my K3 Mk ii). I like to use Aperture priority, so I think I'm starting to get lazy and lean on my "Auto" vintage glass more. (I do have a Pentax 28-105mm D FA for my K1 mk ii, but I just don't like using it as much as this old stuff). For my K3 mk ii, I also have a few Sigma lenses (none are prime). I REALLY like my Sigma lenses too, but hate putting my K1 into crop mode more than I love the Sigma lenses (The Sigmas are = sharp as my Pentax 28-105).
Hey, I owned/own all of these lenses and totally agree with 18-135, but I decided to keep the 16-85mm instead because I needed more angle of view and 85mm was enough for me, and added a samyang 135mm F2 instead. The 35-70 is not easy to find without fungus, because of its zoom construction air is pumping in if you zoom in to 70mm. So fungus will find a place inside 😔. But it is a great lens. The M40 is a great lens for old film cameras, but the 40mm XS is extremely much more impressive. Less weight, less dimensions, autofocus (can't understand where this takes place inside...magical....or just incredible engineeringl) and the 40mm is great for point and shoot. The others I own too, but I like the F series much more than the FA series 50mm and Macro.
I owned many Pentax lenses and still own a lot, but these 5 I would ever buy again:
Digital/ APS-C:
1) DA 40mm f2.8 XS
2) DA 50mm F1.8 (or if your budget agrees: DA* 55mm F1.4)
3) DA 16-85mm
4) DA 35mm F2.8 limited macro
5) DA* 50-135mm F2.8 (great for portrait)
On film/full frame:
1) F 28mm F2.8
2) A 50mm F1.4/1.7 (or if budget agrees: A50F1.2)
3) F 50mm F2.8 Macro
4) A Zoom 35-70 ( very good contrasts)
5) SMC 500mm F4.5 (the Monster! For astro/ birds)
Best wishes
I sold my Samyang 135mm f2 this year (did you buy mine? Haha). It is a fantastic lens, I just lost my use for it (mainly used for astro, now I use DA* 300mm). I really think it's one of the best primes you can get on K mount. I know people will fight me for that though because it's not a Pentax branded lens :)
I agree about the F series. I'm in love with mine. This year I picked up a few to have four total.
F 28mm f2.8
F 50mm f1.7
F 100mm f2.8 macro
F 135mm f2.8
I think I would try a 50 1.4 and a 50 2.8 macro on the series as well, but would have a hard time having so many 50's. Already have an SMC 50 1.2 as well. I really like that one on film.
Thanks for the recommendations!
The 18-135 came to me with my first Pentax camera, the K-S2. It's the perfect lens to have on the camera if you're not gonna take anything else. But since I got the 55-300 PLM, that's what lives on the K-S2 most of the time, and for a 2 lens kit I'll rather take the Sigma 17-50 instead of the 18-135 (if I don't expect rain, that is). And some primes fight for their right to be on the camera as well, the 40, 70 and 100 (and a 21 is on its way to me :) ). A shorter macro would be nice sometimes, and I've heard good things about the 35 as well as the 50s. I've got the FA 50/1.4 as well. At 1.4 it's not easy, can be soft, but if everything comes together the images are great. I'm not sure I'd get the DFA for its cost, size and weight. The DA* 55/1.4 is supposed to be a great middleground, but I'm worried about SDM failure. And the 43 is a great rendering lens as well, and 1.9 on the K-1 is comparable to 1.4 on the K-S2, so I'm not overly concerned with getting something better in the 50s department right now :D
I hear really good things about the 55-300PLM. It does sound like the walk around lens to beat, as long as you don't need wide.
You have a great set of primes there! Sounds like you're set! Great kit.
You wanted to know about "odd" lenses I've used? I consider the Pentacon 300mm f:4 to be different. Originally built for use with a mid-frame Pentacon camera, I have to adapt it for use on my Pentax K1.
This is a totally manual lens that I used while in the camera's manual mode. Two beautiful Trumpeter Swans were photographed as they flew from the area after a week of swimming around a nearby lake. It has proven to be very good in regular photographic use also.
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Nice video. Totally agree on the 35-70mm. I actually like the 50mm f/1.7 F better than the 50mm f/1.4 FA. Keep up the nice work.
My favorite odd Pentax lens my 35-105 A lens . I bought it new in the 1980's at Disneyland they had a Pentax camera store on main street. A heavy great lens with good bokeh I will never sell or trade
I have looked at that lens before! One of these days I'll try it out :)
I buy my K-3II in kit with 18-135mm, It is a really good lens for travel versatile enough for any condition (WR) :)
A film camera would be fun to have once again. Miss the anticipation of picking my shots a week later.
It's really fun! I don't shoot much film. I found for myself that I like it most for shots of my own family, so that's why I don't share it too much on the channel. It takes me over a month to run through 36 exposures, and by the time I've used up enough rolls to want to develop them I have totally forgotten what I shot! Very fun. Might have a film video coming in the next few weeks.
Just bought the Pentax 2.8/40 for 79€. I'll give it a try, but anyway, I wanted to have it because of its tiny dimensions. It'll be my only lens for my motorcycle trips...
For ability over size, the Lumix 12-32 collapsible micro four thirds zoom takes some beating. On film, the Helios 103 is a stunning lens. Being Contax mount there's no helicoid, so adapting for digital is too complex for me to bother. Canon aps-c 24mm and 40mm pancakes were used constantly when I had a Rebel, the latter on EOS film cameras today. An old Sigma 28mm f1.8 is handy with an S5 for video. There are no bad lenses, only inappropriate subjects.
"there are no bad lenses, only inappropriate subjects" - I like that :)
The Canon 24mm is on my list to pick up for my old Canons. I'll check out the 40 too. I do like compact primes :)
We have the 18-135 that came with our K-70, amazing lens!!!
I agree :)
Great talk!
Actually the M 37-70 apart from the weird zoom pattern you mentioned is one of my favourite lenses.
Its really sharp with great colours and bokeh. I'd never part from mine.
Had the fa 50 1.4 but sold it for a A-50 1.7 eventually since I didnt use it that much and the manual 1.7 lenses are much more affordable.
And more and more I'm thinking of getting a 18-135 for some all in one travel photography.
The 35-70 really surprised me! A lot of character on that lens. Plenty sharp when you want it to be. Sold mine because I have a million lenses, but it was fun to try.
Agree about the manual 50's. The M 50 1.7 I think is one of the best deals.
I can recommend the 18-135 wholeheartedly. It's not flawless, but if you can find one under $200 used I think well worth it for a one or two lens trip.
@@snappiness thought about getting the M 50 1.7 but went for the A series equivalent solely for the Av mode.
I have found a 18-135 recently for 120€ (about 140$) and I regret not having bought it. The main reason for my doing so is that if I'd take it on a trip I'd have to leave the 50-135* behind!
And I cant imagine leaving that lens out of my bag!! 😅😅
Still, a one lens on your camera idea is tempting
Oddest lens I have for K mount is the Sun Actinon MC AUTO ZOOM/MACRO 35-200MM it's an f3.5-4.8 Auto lens.
I would check out the A 35-70mm f/4. It is much like your M but more compact,lighter and it has a nice macro. It is only 7 element. I also use the Macro A 120mm f/4 645 lens with a K mount adapter. It has good sharpness at a very affordable price.
Great lens tips, thanks! I'll check them out ;)
Hello :) I have some ancient MAGINON zoom lenses, and yes, you can try the russian Helios 44-K lens :) (k stands for pentax k bayonet mount). Pentax are VERY good cameras, and good way to escape the hype (canon, sony, nikon etc).
The m 40mm 2.8 is a daily go to for me it’s the lense I use the most besides my original 50 1.4 and I pair it with the me also minus the lack of full manual control it’s the best compact combo ps that 35-70 is interesting I’d like to give that one a try sounds like a good walk around lense
Nice lenses! If you find a 35-70 for a good price it's worth a try. I got mine attached to a film body without being specifically listed, so I got a good deal :)
I just bought a FA 50mm f1.4 lens for UV photography. That's one of few UV capable pentax lenses with AF. I also have a Sigma 70mm DGEX macro lens for UV photography. I am thinking to get a Pentax FA 50mm f2.8 macro for UV photography, but I am not sure if it's a UV capable lens. There is a link for all the UV capable lenses with AF.
Interesting about UV capability. I have not looked at the list. I have a full spectrum camera, but no UV pass filters. Maybe one day :)
Do you have any experience with the Pentax 50mm F1.4 K lens? I'm referring to the pre-M series. The one that has 52mm filter thread. Some folk still mix up M & K series lenses, believing that they are the same. P.s. I own the SMC K Pentax 28mm f3.5 52mm thread, and it's wonderful! The Ks are better built than the Ms, where I've experienced focussing & aperture ring issues, but never on my Ks, including my 55mm F1.8, which I love.
I don't. I actually haven't used the M 50 1.4 either. Just the Takumar 50 1.4. I do have the K version of the 50 f1.2 though and really like it.
I just ordered a 18-135mm today! Looking forward to having a single do-it-all lens when travelling.
I think you'll be very pleased. :) It's not without some flaws, but always got the job done for me.
As I recall the M series is the screw mount, right? If so, I'm thinking of getting something like a Sigma FP with a screw-mount adapter and using a few of those lenes.
The M series is the Pentax K bayonet style mount, but you can still get an adapter for mirrorless for that mount too :) would be fun.
@@snappiness So "M" means "K." OK. Makes sense! I was thinking M-13 I guess.
I have a few screw-mounts, since my only remaining display camera is a fine, black Spotmatic. I had some doozies (folding, 4x5, 6x6, 6x4.5, etc) but sold 'em.
Was it you who had the F prime collection? If so, are you planning on doing a video for those, too?
Yes! I have a series of videos planned but I am taking my sweet time on them to get it right. I'm really excited about those lenses :)
Use the 18 to 135 a lot
It's really a great lens. Some of my all time favorite pictures were taken on it and the K3.
Do I spy a Fujifilm xpro about 0:29?
Yep! I owned it a few summers ago. Really liked shooting it for the summer. I'll get another older fuji one of these days. :)
@@snappiness That one is on my list! How did you like it? I picked up a used Fuji X-T20 about two weeks ago and have been enjoying it a lot with the 23mm f/2
@@Hey_Beau I really liked it. The body felt really close to my film cameras. I didn't have any native Fuji glass and thats something I would like to try in the future. It felt a bit dated, which is harder on earlier mirrorless cameras than DSLRs in my opinion. But it was good.
1:12 babe with Pentax spotted! What a find! Did you submit to National Geo, these things are fucking rare! Bigfoot... pfft... Female Pentaxian in the wild!? Weow! !
She says she likes Pentax, but she may be heavily influenced by the one that gives her cameras ;) My kid thinks every camera is a Pentax, haha.
@@snappiness lol, yes brainwash them when they're young. "Daddy, what is that you're holding? Is it a camera?" "No hunny... it's a Pentax, there's no such things as cameras, we just use the term 'Pentax'". ahaa