SCS fought hard with releasing game after game with accurate trucking simulation, and finally got licencing rights when Euro Truck Simulator released. Game Mill didn't even bother to do even that.
Holy cow, and I thought us NASCAR guys got stiffed with the Ignition release. Even not knowing the ins in outs of your sport it's clear as day they messed so much up. Like you said, shovel-ware. Soulless shovel-ware.
Quick point, they don't start the cars on methanol. They start it with a bottle of gasoline, but the instant it starts running it's using nitro. Them adjusting the fuel pump before staging is just them opening the pump all the way.
A crew member sprays gasoline into the injector hat while somebody else hits the starter. Once the engine starts the driver opens up the fuel valve to halfway, does his burnout and backs up. Now the crew chief lines him up checks the tune along with the position of the barrel valve, shows the driver the throttle stop. Driver pulls into pre-stage, opens fuel valve to full rich. Brings the car into the beams and then it's go time
@@JoeyG35 ah my bad idk where I heard that from I wasn’t sure about it. And yeah I can see how he doesn’t turn on the fuel switch still after the engine starts
Watched trailer, got cautiously excited. Watched Austin's video... shit he's right. This dev did make "Street Outlaws" (1 and 2) as a drag racing game prior these (never played them)... but yeah, it's obviously all low budget stuff. They should have started with a NHRA mobile phone game 😔
I'm not a huge drag racing fan, but I was hoping for something that got me into the specifics of drag race and would get me hooked at least on the game it self. Well, that's not going to happen if this is how it releases.
Countdown to the championship on PS2 didn’t have a starter, if I remember right didn’t have a finish line, and shot flames out when revved the engine and it was a great game
That's what I was hoping for out of games like Street outlaws. Itd be great if we could get a drag racing game/ sim with the quality of something like Forza or CarX. Large customization, in depth tuning, and a good physics model. Basically like if you made a drag racing game with the physics and setup tuning of Iracing. Some mobile drag racing games like Door Slammers or No limit 2 are better than these new console adaptations
@@kaydec55 I would want a full on desktop dyno implementation, or forget it Not much fun if you cant design every aspect of the engine and tranny and final drive, suspension etc Need old burnout out PCE rebuilt into a modern graphics engine. Otherwise, i will just keep playing it
@@wiesshund-games That game was the best. I was lucky enough to be a beta tester on it. Apparently no one uses those anymore. lol I have wished ever since those days that someone would just update it.
Yeah as someone else pointed out, this company also made the two Street Outlaws games, which based on the footage I seen on here, looks and sounds pretty bad. So seeing this about the upcoming NHRA game isn't shocking at all.
I think it looks like it’ll be cool. Yeah there’s a couple of issues but some of them he was talking about they also had in NHRA countdown to the championship and it was a great game
I was with you until you said the driver activates the nitro on the starting line. Bottle of gas to fire it up, and the fuel pump will naturally feed it the nitro after 4-5 seconds. The fuel pumps are restricted during the burnout and at idle. That “driver activation” is a lever in the cockpit to let the fuel pump go wide open before launch…
I definitely agree that the Gamemill guys never actually watched or took notes on how the cars look, act and react. According to the trailer, they didn't even pay attention to how the racetracks and starting lines are set up. If Gamemill can't even handle the basic visual aspect of the game, then how are they going to treat the tuning aspect? I hope they didn't cut corners on that too... In today's world, video gaming is all the rage. The last NHRA video game was made back in 2007. It was and still is a very in depth, highly detailed video game of it's time and to today's standards. If this is the best NHRA and Gamemill can come up with in comparison to a game that was made 15 years ago, then I'd be ashamed if I was a representative of NHRA or Gamemill. If this "newer generation of gamers" don't get hooked on this game, good luck generating and keeping this new form of fan base. That's what this is all about, creating a new fan base to keep this sport alive for the future. I really hope Gamemill and NHRA reads, reviews and considers all suggestions made from us the people. All we want is a Top Fuel video game that isn't cheesy, fake and full of crap.
LOL, I love how this is the bar now, being better than Ignition isnt a fucking thing to be proud of. It should go without saying, which this game clearly cant when its run by pjeets who only deliver shovelware mobile games
Actually you kind of have that wrong. They start the cars on methanol and then before they even hit the burnout box they're already running on Nitro. They actually switch to Nitro about 5-10s after they first start up. The spark plugs are usually already well gone before they even reach the 60ft mark too. And yes, they do occasionally spit flames while idling, they also do spit short flames while doing their burnout. I'll put it down to, your family never raced nitro cars, or you haven't been to a nitro race or even watched one on YT/ESPN in a number of years and your memory is foggy. Source: A close friend of mine owns and runs a TF/D here in New Zealand. It's an ex-NHRA car, and I've stood meters away from it as it did not only the startup, but the burnout and the pass recently. I've also closely followed the NHRA series for a number of years and am getting back into it again, I know how these cars operate. Check out the TH-cam channel: Clay Millican, too for some really cool behind the scene stuff that you won't find anywhere else. Edit: they also only run 1000ft, I know thats a pure nit-pick but if you're gonna flame someone (even though they entirely deserve it with this horrific eye-sore of a game), at least drop facts so you don't confuse people who don't really know these things. You also do see the flames during the day, but typically only against black or dark backdrops, such as the track surface or darker grass/dirt on the side of the tracks. The compulink system is also automatic. Once you stage, there's roughly a 1-3s stall between when both drivers have fully staged and the orange bulbs illuminating. I hope they at least used the right tree, if they drop 3 amber's before green they'll look even more stupid, because in top fuel they run 3 amber's (at once) then green. It's also very common to have crew members standing on the track, but typically only about 10-15 ft behind the car, never in front or beside it, no one likes losing eyebrows or skin for that matter.
Thank you!! I was about to go on a tangent...but it's a trailer, and who cares if this header flames in the daytime or Chevy isn't on a car or the parachutes too big or without the dragster cockpit us stretched, they do that to get the perception of speed.. if the game has good graphics, if you can actually properly two nice things and have realistic incremental numbers, the sound is good things like that dirty. Who the heck cares if the parachutes are too big or whatever, plus it's just a damn trailer LOL I worked on Top alcohol, Pro Modified, Top Fuel dragster, Top Fuel funny car blah blah blah blah blah and I don't have a damn problem with the crew guy standing next to the car instead of behind it or whatever, it's just good to see somebody come across this video and clear some things up
@@dmeemd7787 Best answer here… if the game is good, and the liveries look remotely like their real counterparts, and we’re not forced to take our top fuelers and run them on a road course (like Street Outlaws), it’s a win. Any ‘realistic’-like drag racing game is a win for me. I had all the IHRA GAmes, still do..they were terrible and i loved every bit of them haha
As someone who works on an NHRA nitro funny car. It annoyed me that to high hell that the parachute boxes are located in the middle of the body on the rear. When in reality on our car (Cruz Pedregon) the chutes boxes are mounted on the outer edges of the body.
@@DJGaming_1 quali was rather hit or miss today. You either made it down the track or you smoked the tires just after the first hump where the tunnel is at. Currently 7th with a 5.46 @132. Tomorrow should be better for sure.
I sent the NHRA a message about this and how displeasing it is. I think if people speak directly with the NHRA they might start to get the idea. Granted, the NHRA is not in the game of making revenue off of video games but you pick companies to develop and represent the sport. Do it accordingly and don't let the developers cheap you out and reap the benefits of the NHRA.
I come from a drag racing family too. Leverich Racing to be exact. My great uncle is the team owner and watching the trailer and seeing all of the issues, this is absolutely horrible. It's like ignition but worse.
For someone who claims his family is in a drag racing hall of fame, you sure complaining about some thing, wrongly. Here's a few things I take exception to - "They start them on methanol". Wrong. They start fuel (nitro) engines on gasoline before switching over. "They'll blow up if you touch the throttle when idling". Wrong. What about the teams that still throttle whack in the fuel pits during warm up? "Scoreboards don't light up until after the finish line". Depends. During qualifying they will generally show the bump spot ET and your RT before you ever finish the run. "The game sucks because there are no car brands". So what? Licensing is costly. Doesn't make it a bad game. "Tree is missing the 3 black dividers". Who cares, we ran for a zillion years without them. Not a deal breaker. I could go on, but I couldn't watch anymore. He sounds annoyingly like Spencer Massey. Probably a great guy, but that voice...
I couldn’t care less about the manufacturer branding. And the sun isn’t really in my eyes when I’m playing a video game. Alot of this seemed to be nitpicking. The chutes do look comically huge though, i’ll give him that much.
Getting the Popcoin ready for the comments. EDIT: Officer Watters Gaming delivers with the biggest over reaction to a Street Outlaws games were bad joke. Look for him in the future.
Better than I thought it would be. Disappointing about the lack of OEMs. Still giving it a shot since it's been 15 years. Some of the footage used is obviously beta. Not saying the final product will be different but its easy to tell. The header flames aren't supposed to be blowing while idle and in the teaser for zMAX a couple of months ago, the headers looked normal. Also, the throttle blades aren't opening in the trailer. Wouldn't surprise me if it was footage from old builds.
Can we get a decent drag racing game... I would love a modern dragracing game decade of thrills 70s and 80s cars with the wild fires, crashes, and paddle fests.
I can't fathom this will be anything like the garbage that Street Outlaws is... The lack of licensing for the cars, makes no difference to me. The minor issues being pointed out here are non issues when we're talking about a game that we've been waiting for for 14+ years. Take it with a grain of salt, and in addition, it's hard for me to believe that these images provided to us in the trailer are from the final production version of the game. I too grew up around drag racing. it's the only sport i knew growing up and i'm a die hard fan... this is hardly a disaster and while i too notice these minor items, they aren't dealbreakers. I'm throwing $50 at either the PS4 or switch version and racing with my kids. Just having this in my library along side every other NHRA, IHRA and Hot Rod burnout (remember that?!) game... heck... i even had a MS Dos drag racing game from The DragList !
First thing I noticed was flames coming out of the headers on the nitro cars when they're idling. Yeah, they don't do that, so right off the bat I knew this game would be crap.
Well, I'm not surprised by this because GameMill was also with the legendary Big Rigs: Over The Road Racing for PC. A game that wasn't EVEN FINISHED, as a fan of the NHRA and Matt Hagan fan, this is sickening to look at. How do you f*** up a drag racing game, like holy hell. All they do it a burnout to warm the tires up, stop, reverse, move forward to the box to know the starter that you're on the line and when the lights go out and you take off. These cars go about 320mph except for the pro stock and pro stock motorcycles which go about 230 to 260? The christmas tree is sin on what they done, it's not difficult to make that, I rather play (I think it was called Mopar Drag 'n Brag or something like that on mobile and it was really good but it looks like it's gone so that's sad. I got to the pro stock series and stopped playing because my old phone was terrible.
It's like they got Street Outlaws' leftovers and turned it into a NHRA game in like 6 months. Which makes sense because the game was only announced a few months ago. Totally expecting this to also be an unfinished subpar budget game.
0:55 Because NHRA didn't want to spend much money on this game. Game Mill excels at pumping out cheap shovelware and Team6 (the developer) excels at making it.
i'm of the opinion that realistically-depicted drag racing is nearly impossible to make into a standalone game. because the sport is 90% engine tuning, you need to be able to craft a very fine simulation that can at least somewhat realistically portray how the changes you make affect your pb which is a task most devs are hardly cut out for. that and the ever-present issue of limited appeal since outside of the garage the actual racing is a 5 second precision reaction-time test crossed with some car control. what you're pointing out here seems to be visual fluff that the devs probably think will make the game look flashier to a general audience when in reality it still looks like a shitty unity shovelware game and that general audience probably doesn't care. with how obscure drag racing is nowadays, i wouldn't be surprised if money was an issue for this project.
the game he was talking about, NHRA 2 Had a feature where you could export data and use it with the real data logger program that the top fuel guys still used, and still use today. Bethesda made that one, and they actually gave a fuck enough to really try.
Am I the only one wishing this man was behind the game development data.? This man sounds like he could make some amazing changes to this game and it become something we have all been craving from a drag game. Sadly Games launch 30% done and then 2 years of updates to keep its longevity active
It looks like the first entry in what is hopefully going to be a series. It's basically a proof of concept. If nobody buys it they won't develop another.
They don't turn the nitro on at the pre stage. They are turning the nitro fuel flow fully on at pre stage. And they turn there air supply on ,usually at the same time.
sad really, how about the gameplay? instead dudeman just complains they didn't spend millions of dollars on licensing fees and spins it every other which way. TRASH
Thank you!!! I knew gamemill will trash this game just like street outlaws. The people of forza should've took this game. But I think nhra went to a cheap game company and especially they announced the partnership last year, and now this. They made the game way to fast, it take 3-4years to make a good game. I agree with you 100%, Im from sand drags sport.
Those are Racepak gauges, not motec. Also the Pro gauge for top fuel has a green screen, it's not a color display, and most funny cars don't even have a visible gauge for the driver.
This is true. And Top Fuel cars are starting to put them on the back of the capsule now, similar to funny cars having them hooked up to the toy box before being unplugged and before rolling into the beams.
@@Scoe91Til I mean, there's not really anything for a driver to monitor in the 3 seconds they're going down the track. They don't have speedos, rpm is nice to see I guess but it's not like they have to shift and everything is logged to be viewed after so
Yelp. I think Tim Wilkerson may be the only one that hasn't removed the gauges from the cockpit as he's the tuner of his own car. That might've changed tho.
top fuel cars all have the racepak pro dash in the cockpit. some bigger teams have one the crew can plug in and use for making pre and post burnout adjustments. why? because the driver still has fuel pressure specs the crew chief wants them to hit at different points. some are also specing brake pressure. helps with reaction time.
i mean the worst that may happen is that it is just going to be a tiny bit better mobile game that is going to be played on every single device out there hopefully
IHRA drag racing, the ORIGINAL game produced by bethesda, was a fucking hidden gem. You could setup any sportsman racing setup imaginable from ET to index categories, Had a MASSIVE learning curve that was very technical but if you could get past it you could setup any class rule setup imaginable
I mean, are we going that hard on a pre-production release? i heard they are still workibg out licensing issue, and it really depends on the weather, but you can see nitro flames during the day sometimes at idle. And here in America, we start on gasoline and switch to the 90% (nominal) nitromethane.
I will give them that, licensing is a bitch. Papyrus released initial screenshots missing manufacturers on NASCAR Racing 4, which was a MASSIVE disappointment in community forums I was a part of, hoping that would be a improvement over N3, but the game did have the licensed manufacturers at release. Some of the other things pointed out (blocks, scoreboards, motec displays, etc) are hopefully missing due to this being early looks, but I won't hold my breath that more than half of it will be fixed by release.
The more you look the worse it gets 🤦🏼♂️ no branded cars is a massive red flag and screams cheap. No beadlocks on funny cars, parachute packs mounted centrally, double wheelie bars not single, the front wheels look like 13" 5 stud pattern not spindle mount. Just goes on and on, lack of attention to detail is embarrassing.
Overall I don’t think you really knew what your were talking about. But when you look at it this is the first game from a game that hasn’t been out in years. And from the looks of it to my eyes this game has crazy potential I wouldn’t be surprised to see how better they improve.
Good video thank you. This game looks like a embarrassment for all who love racing. I'm removing it from my wish list and will never think about it again. Seems as dumb as the Street outlaws game trailers I've seen. Almost puked when I watched it. Send this video to the game makers so they can see how stupid they are.
The game may have some changes before release in August but small chance and they only have 38 drivers and no pro mod drivers from real life.I wanted to drive my dads pro mod teams car but it looks like we can’t do that.They should take more time to make this game and release in the next 6 to 8 months
>some changes before release in August Didn't you learn a single fucking thing from Austin in the N21 debacle? This shit isnt getting fixed, stop overdosing on hopium.
The best NHRA game is Countdown to the Championship, released in 2007 by Valuesoft and THQ which I still play to this day, along with NHRA Drag Racing 2 which I put so many hours into as a kid. When the NHRA announced a new game I was excited but also worried seeing they chose GameMill for it. GameMill are responsible for the subpar Street Outlaws games, they're okay but they're just not that great or what people want or expect from a drag racing game. I was hoping they'd turn it around and make something realistic like those classic games we love but it doesn't look like it. Another $15-20 bargain bin game. Hope the trailer was Alpha/Beta stuff because this is so bad lol
Do you play it on a pc or what? Cant seem to find a secure download anywhere for countdonw to the championship. Imagine if they just did a remake of that game with the 5 different car types in this game.. gamemill so far looks like a studio that makes flashy graphics games but not the best gameplay... Just wish someone like EA or any other BIG studio could make the official NHRA game.
Seeing as how it was just a trailer and no game play it really doesn't look that bad.. gameplay and what kind of setups we can run will be the judge of the game!!
The only thing I know GameMill for is help publish the Tony Stewart games, other than that I know nothing about them, so I mean it's a little scary to put your video game into a team who hasn't done much work on racing games before and have only done work on a Monster Jam Game
So, you had the finished game and played it when it isn't out yet until August 26th? Or are your first looks looking at trailers of the game? Another point, nobody plays games on their phones, only card games are for phones. LOL. All other games should only be played on a 55 inch or larger 4K TV, especially racing games.
Bro I don’t get why a big company dosent make a real drag racing game with bracket racing grudge races pro mods like there’s so much potential for online gameplay nowadays . The ps2 nhra game is gonna blow this out the water n it won’t be close it’s gonna be a arcade style game when will they realize we don’t want no little kid shit
I noticed that when nhra pumped this out last week. Attention to detail? Zero. It's basically like twenty years ago. It's a 25 dollar game at best. I certainly won't be purchasing it.
So you’re telling me they didn’t get anything right? All of your observations wouldn’t affect the play of the game in my opinion. As someone who has had to develop a product from scratch and within a budget your comments are unfair. Can you provide any feedback on the actual game play?
Was made because of a kid who mailed in to nhra front offices asking for a nhra licensed game. So I can see why it is not great. Basically made to complete a heartfelt story on social media
Lets be honest, the car brands don't matter, a white finish line doesn't matter, big parachutes may be ugly but it doesn't matter, no nhra official doesn't matter. The only things that really matter are the timing blocks, the motec dash, and the starting line being where it is supposed to and the tree dropping like its supposed to. This is drag racing, one of most complicated and simple motorsports on the planet, no need to nit pick.
I noticed they used the same sound bites for all the cars in the trailer. And judging by the monster jam game they made, this is definitely gonna be a kids game. Trailer is even made formatted for kids.
Nhra Drag Racing 2 - Nhra Main Event were great games .You could get 100 plus people trying to qualify for a 32 car field .Had many hrs online racing these games. Wish I saw this video before I bought this game,. This game is lacking badly compared to what we have had already in Nhra Drag Racing Games . Now we get No Time Slips, Sand Traps, or Turn outs. I will sadly play it cause its all this drag racing fan has at the moment. Its sad that in 20 yrs we don't have a true drag racing sim game yet, that tickles the drivers and tuners alike.I love Drag Racing and Nhra is slacking with these games.
A few positives to mention Yes there are some errors but what this game has that no other nhra game has had before is that it can be improved with updates the day one patch notes have been leaked so they have allready improved the finished product most of the complaints are in my opinion are small and can be very quick fixes i would rather get behind these devs that have made the first nhra game since i think 2007 then be to pessimistic about a game thats not even out yet
Maybe it was jus something they threw out to get people excited about the game cuz ik I am! Hopefully they fix all the little things before it comes out like all the bugs. I hope it sounds super realistic n graphics look amazing tho
Since you are pointing out all the flaws you should know that nitro cars aren't running 2000ft. Thats more than the 1220 ft a 1/4 mile dragstrip is... They run 1000ft.
The game is made by Team6. That's all you need to know. All of their previous works are absolute GARBAGE, including FlatOut 3. This studio specializes in making the worst games humanly possible.
I wish the NHRA took this more seriously. They probably only thought about the licensing fees, not the actual game play, accuracy and quality.
Doesn’t look like a good game.
What about now??? 😂
SCS fought hard with releasing game after game with accurate trucking simulation, and finally got licencing rights when Euro Truck Simulator released. Game Mill didn't even bother to do even that.
Can't we just get a good racing game for once 🤣
No we can’t….. 😔🥺
we just got 2 horrible racing games in a row... NASCAR 21' Ignition and now this????
F1 games are incredible
@@ashtondmorgan they are OK but haven't evolved in 10 years.
I raceing so far is the best
Holy cow, and I thought us NASCAR guys got stiffed with the Ignition release.
Even not knowing the ins in outs of your sport it's clear as day they messed so much up. Like you said, shovel-ware. Soulless shovel-ware.
Quick point, they don't start the cars on methanol. They start it with a bottle of gasoline, but the instant it starts running it's using nitro. Them adjusting the fuel pump before staging is just them opening the pump all the way.
A crew member sprays gasoline into the injector hat while somebody else hits the starter. Once the engine starts the driver opens up the fuel valve to halfway, does his burnout and backs up. Now the crew chief lines him up checks the tune along with the position of the barrel valve, shows the driver the throttle stop. Driver pulls into pre-stage, opens fuel valve to full rich. Brings the car into the beams and then it's go time
I believe the switch also activates the second magneto after the burnout because they don’t need full power just for the burnout
@@HUEMOB that is incorrect. Both mags run constantly. No device switching it.
As Alan Reinhardt says. 87 octane to start these things.
@@JoeyG35 ah my bad idk where I heard that from I wasn’t sure about it. And yeah I can see how he doesn’t turn on the fuel switch still after the engine starts
Watched trailer, got cautiously excited. Watched Austin's video... shit he's right. This dev did make "Street Outlaws" (1 and 2) as a drag racing game prior these (never played them)... but yeah, it's obviously all low budget stuff. They should have started with a NHRA mobile phone game 😔
Omg if the made the street outlaws game then its going to be fucking horrendous lol didnt play em either but its well known they suck
Also Super Street
both street outlaws games are really bad ive played both and ive never hated a game more in my life
@@roymcdre9180 I played one street outlaws game the first one it was terrible
When you realize these guys also made BIG RIGS: OVER THE ROAD RACING
I'm not a huge drag racing fan, but I was hoping for something that got me into the specifics of drag race and would get me hooked at least on the game it self. Well, that's not going to happen if this is how it releases.
Countdown to the championship on PS2 didn’t have a starter, if I remember right didn’t have a finish line, and shot flames out when revved the engine and it was a great game
That's what I was hoping for out of games like Street outlaws. Itd be great if we could get a drag racing game/ sim with the quality of something like Forza or CarX. Large customization, in depth tuning, and a good physics model. Basically like if you made a drag racing game with the physics and setup tuning of Iracing. Some mobile drag racing games like Door Slammers or No limit 2 are better than these new console adaptations
@@kaydec55
I would want a full on desktop dyno implementation, or forget it
Not much fun if you cant design every aspect of the engine and tranny and final drive, suspension etc
Need old burnout out PCE rebuilt into a modern graphics engine.
Otherwise, i will just keep playing it
@@wiesshund-games That game was the best. I was lucky enough to be a beta tester on it. Apparently no one uses those anymore. lol
I have wished ever since those days that someone would just update it.
If you want to learn the science of drag racing, go to a national event or at least on tv. They explain everything
Not surprised. The game was developed by the same people who made Flatout 3 and Super Street
I thought it was Team 6 who made that
@@0uttaS1TE That’s who I was referring to
Kinda sad that the best drag portrayals are from games not about drag at all.
Gt5 & 6 were good, forza sounded even better
Street drag racing on Forza horizon was even better than most dedicated games
iRacing probably has realistic looking drag racing even if it handles way differently.
Yeah as someone else pointed out, this company also made the two Street Outlaws games, which based on the footage I seen on here, looks and sounds pretty bad. So seeing this about the upcoming NHRA game isn't shocking at all.
I think it looks like it’ll be cool. Yeah there’s a couple of issues but some of them he was talking about they also had in NHRA countdown to the championship and it was a great game
I was with you until you said the driver activates the nitro on the starting line. Bottle of gas to fire it up, and the fuel pump will naturally feed it the nitro after 4-5 seconds. The fuel pumps are restricted during the burnout and at idle. That “driver activation” is a lever in the cockpit to let the fuel pump go wide open before launch…
I definitely agree that the Gamemill guys never actually watched or took notes on how the cars look, act and react. According to the trailer, they didn't even pay attention to how the racetracks and starting lines are set up. If Gamemill can't even handle the basic visual aspect of the game, then how are they going to treat the tuning aspect? I hope they didn't cut corners on that too... In today's world, video gaming is all the rage. The last NHRA video game was made back in 2007. It was and still is a very in depth, highly detailed video game of it's time and to today's standards. If this is the best NHRA and Gamemill can come up with in comparison to a game that was made 15 years ago, then I'd be ashamed if I was a representative of NHRA or Gamemill. If this "newer generation of gamers" don't get hooked on this game, good luck generating and keeping this new form of fan base. That's what this is all about, creating a new fan base to keep this sport alive for the future.
I really hope Gamemill and NHRA reads, reviews and considers all suggestions made from us the people. All we want is a Top Fuel video game that isn't cheesy, fake and full of crap.
No matter how bad the game is it still gonna be better than NASCAR 21 ignition. At least the NHRA game is not made by motorsports games
LOL, I love how this is the bar now, being better than Ignition isnt a fucking thing to be proud of. It should go without saying, which this game clearly cant when its run by pjeets who only deliver shovelware mobile games
Actually you kind of have that wrong. They start the cars on methanol and then before they even hit the burnout box they're already running on Nitro. They actually switch to Nitro about 5-10s after they first start up. The spark plugs are usually already well gone before they even reach the 60ft mark too. And yes, they do occasionally spit flames while idling, they also do spit short flames while doing their burnout. I'll put it down to, your family never raced nitro cars, or you haven't been to a nitro race or even watched one on YT/ESPN in a number of years and your memory is foggy.
Source: A close friend of mine owns and runs a TF/D here in New Zealand. It's an ex-NHRA car, and I've stood meters away from it as it did not only the startup, but the burnout and the pass recently. I've also closely followed the NHRA series for a number of years and am getting back into it again, I know how these cars operate. Check out the TH-cam channel: Clay Millican, too for some really cool behind the scene stuff that you won't find anywhere else.
Edit: they also only run 1000ft, I know thats a pure nit-pick but if you're gonna flame someone (even though they entirely deserve it with this horrific eye-sore of a game), at least drop facts so you don't confuse people who don't really know these things. You also do see the flames during the day, but typically only against black or dark backdrops, such as the track surface or darker grass/dirt on the side of the tracks. The compulink system is also automatic. Once you stage, there's roughly a 1-3s stall between when both drivers have fully staged and the orange bulbs illuminating. I hope they at least used the right tree, if they drop 3 amber's before green they'll look even more stupid, because in top fuel they run 3 amber's (at once) then green. It's also very common to have crew members standing on the track, but typically only about 10-15 ft behind the car, never in front or beside it, no one likes losing eyebrows or skin for that matter.
Thank you!! I was about to go on a tangent...but it's a trailer, and who cares if this header flames in the daytime or Chevy isn't on a car or the parachutes too big or without the dragster cockpit us stretched, they do that to get the perception of speed.. if the game has good graphics, if you can actually properly two nice things and have realistic incremental numbers, the sound is good things like that dirty. Who the heck cares if the parachutes are too big or whatever, plus it's just a damn trailer LOL
I worked on Top alcohol, Pro Modified, Top Fuel dragster, Top Fuel funny car blah blah blah blah blah and I don't have a damn problem with the crew guy standing next to the car instead of behind it or whatever, it's just good to see somebody come across this video and clear some things up
Fuel cars are actually started on good old 87octane gasoline. Not Methanol.
@@dmeemd7787 Best answer here… if the game is good, and the liveries look remotely like their real counterparts, and we’re not forced to take our top fuelers and run them on a road course (like Street Outlaws), it’s a win. Any ‘realistic’-like drag racing game is a win for me. I had all the IHRA GAmes, still do..they were terrible and i loved every bit of them haha
Another Note:
All Top Fuel Cars have Canopies in the game. In real life, there’s only 5-6 Cars that have an Enclosed Canopy in the TF Class.
I noticed that too.
As someone who works on an NHRA nitro funny car. It annoyed me that to high hell that the parachute boxes are located in the middle of the body on the rear. When in reality on our car (Cruz Pedregon) the chutes boxes are mounted on the outer edges of the body.
@@austinhord8317 just looks rushed and sloppy, like there’s no attention to detail from the looks of this trailer, but how’s Thunder Valley going ?
@@DJGaming_1 quali was rather hit or miss today. You either made it down the track or you smoked the tires just after the first hump where the tunnel is at. Currently 7th with a 5.46 @132. Tomorrow should be better for sure.
@@austinhord8317 oh yea y’all got time to get it right hope everything goes good
I sent the NHRA a message about this and how displeasing it is. I think if people speak directly with the NHRA they might start to get the idea. Granted, the NHRA is not in the game of making revenue off of video games but you pick companies to develop and represent the sport. Do it accordingly and don't let the developers cheap you out and reap the benefits of the NHRA.
They need to be because nhra is a dying brand
I come from a drag racing family too. Leverich Racing to be exact. My great uncle is the team owner and watching the trailer and seeing all of the issues, this is absolutely horrible. It's like ignition but worse.
ngl i'm actually kinda happy that NASCAR 21 ignition is not the laughing stock of 2021-2022 racing games
@@jeanchp atleaet it wasn't hyped to hell lmfao
For someone who claims his family is in a drag racing hall of fame, you sure complaining about some thing, wrongly.
Here's a few things I take exception to -
"They start them on methanol". Wrong. They start fuel (nitro) engines on gasoline before switching over.
"They'll blow up if you touch the throttle when idling". Wrong. What about the teams that still throttle whack in the fuel pits during warm up?
"Scoreboards don't light up until after the finish line". Depends. During qualifying they will generally show the bump spot ET and your RT before you ever finish the run.
"The game sucks because there are no car brands". So what? Licensing is costly. Doesn't make it a bad game.
"Tree is missing the 3 black dividers". Who cares, we ran for a zillion years without them. Not a deal breaker.
I could go on, but I couldn't watch anymore. He sounds annoyingly like Spencer Massey. Probably a great guy, but that voice...
"The game sucks because there are no car brands" was an issue with NASCAR 09.
Spot on was thinking exactly the same , about most of what you said , they start on regular gasoline. No chev badge oh big deal , I’m with you 👍
Also at the end of the video he said they run 2000 feet. Lmao
@@cub67 he said they only “run to a thousand feet”
I couldn’t care less about the manufacturer branding. And the sun isn’t really in my eyes when I’m playing a video game. Alot of this seemed to be nitpicking. The chutes do look comically huge though, i’ll give him that much.
Ironic coming from the team that made that nickelodeon Mario kart
Getting the Popcoin ready for the comments. EDIT: Officer Watters Gaming delivers with the biggest over reaction to a Street Outlaws games were bad joke. Look for him in the future.
Better than I thought it would be. Disappointing about the lack of OEMs. Still giving it a shot since it's been 15 years.
Some of the footage used is obviously beta. Not saying the final product will be different but its easy to tell. The header flames aren't supposed to be blowing while idle and in the teaser for zMAX a couple of months ago, the headers looked normal. Also, the throttle blades aren't opening in the trailer. Wouldn't surprise me if it was footage from old builds.
I should sat that they aren't opening when the car is launching.
And yeah the chutes is head scratching. Not just with how big that they are, but the placement on the funny cars as well.
Can we get a decent drag racing game...
I would love a modern dragracing game decade of thrills 70s and 80s cars with the wild fires, crashes, and paddle fests.
I can't fathom this will be anything like the garbage that Street Outlaws is... The lack of licensing for the cars, makes no difference to me. The minor issues being pointed out here are non issues when we're talking about a game that we've been waiting for for 14+ years. Take it with a grain of salt, and in addition, it's hard for me to believe that these images provided to us in the trailer are from the final production version of the game.
I too grew up around drag racing. it's the only sport i knew growing up and i'm a die hard fan... this is hardly a disaster and while i too notice these minor items, they aren't dealbreakers. I'm throwing $50 at either the PS4 or switch version and racing with my kids. Just having this in my library along side every other NHRA, IHRA and Hot Rod burnout (remember that?!) game... heck... i even had a MS Dos drag racing game from The DragList !
First thing I noticed was flames coming out of the headers on the nitro cars when they're idling. Yeah, they don't do that, so right off the bat I knew this game would be crap.
Well, I'm not surprised by this because GameMill was also with the legendary Big Rigs: Over The Road Racing for PC. A game that wasn't EVEN FINISHED, as a fan of the NHRA and Matt Hagan fan, this is sickening to look at. How do you f*** up a drag racing game, like holy hell. All they do it a burnout to warm the tires up, stop, reverse, move forward to the box to know the starter that you're on the line and when the lights go out and you take off. These cars go about 320mph except for the pro stock and pro stock motorcycles which go about 230 to 260? The christmas tree is sin on what they done, it's not difficult to make that, I rather play (I think it was called Mopar Drag 'n Brag or something like that on mobile and it was really good but it looks like it's gone so that's sad. I got to the pro stock series and stopped playing because my old phone was terrible.
That drag and brag game was surprisingly fun, this just looks awful
It's like they got Street Outlaws' leftovers and turned it into a NHRA game in like 6 months. Which makes sense because the game was only announced a few months ago. Totally expecting this to also be an unfinished subpar budget game.
0:55 Because NHRA didn't want to spend much money on this game. Game Mill excels at pumping out cheap shovelware and Team6 (the developer) excels at making it.
The demo video certainly looks rough. I hope the NHRA does not allow a game with this many flaws to release with their name on it.
i'm of the opinion that realistically-depicted drag racing is nearly impossible to make into a standalone game. because the sport is 90% engine tuning, you need to be able to craft a very fine simulation that can at least somewhat realistically portray how the changes you make affect your pb which is a task most devs are hardly cut out for. that and the ever-present issue of limited appeal since outside of the garage the actual racing is a 5 second precision reaction-time test crossed with some car control. what you're pointing out here seems to be visual fluff that the devs probably think will make the game look flashier to a general audience when in reality it still looks like a shitty unity shovelware game and that general audience probably doesn't care. with how obscure drag racing is nowadays, i wouldn't be surprised if money was an issue for this project.
Need for speed underground 2 had adjustable engine mapping 15 years ago. If EA can do it then anyone can
@@roymcdre9180 To be clear EA even back then was a multi million dollar company so saying "if EA can do it" ain't helping your case much bud.
the game he was talking about, NHRA 2 Had a feature where you could export data and use it with the real data logger program that the top fuel guys still used, and still use today.
Bethesda made that one, and they actually gave a fuck enough to really try.
We had 2 drag racing games on PS2 with engine tuning, weather, cylinder dropping, etc…games were great.
You have valid point.....I'm still buying it!!!!!
Man the team would've been better off having a guy like you on the team for just oversight and drag racing knowledge.
Shit… I hope the game isn’t as bad it’s going be…
Am I the only one wishing this man was behind the game development data.? This man sounds like he could make some amazing changes to this game and it become something we have all been craving from a drag game. Sadly Games launch 30% done and then 2 years of updates to keep its longevity active
It looks like the first entry in what is hopefully going to be a series. It's basically a proof of concept. If nobody buys it they won't develop another.
was kinda excited when I heard NHRA was getting a video game and now i’m back to being disappointed
Someone needs to tell the NHRA the 80's called and they want their Atari 2600 back.
It might just be for advertising. Better to watch with flames/throttle ect. The actual game might not be like this
Honorable Mentioned No Pro Stock Motorcycle
The game don’t come out for two months and we only got one trailer, you could at least give it chance.
They don't turn the nitro on at the pre stage.
They are turning the nitro fuel flow fully on at pre stage.
And they turn there air supply on ,usually at the same time.
I've been waiting for a game that this game is supposed to be since 1990. I guess I'm still waiting 🤦♂️
I knew this game was doomed when I found out the developers are the same people responsible for the Street Outlaws games that included a drift mode...
Damn. Why does NHRA let themselves look like a joke? Be responsible with your licensing! It affects your brand reputation!
SMH. I wish Iracing would do a Drag racing series... it would be so much better and more realistic!
You did a great job bringing up all the details the devs left out !!! 👍
sad really, how about the gameplay? instead dudeman just complains they didn't spend millions of dollars on licensing fees and spins it every other which way. TRASH
Sadly, this looks like NASCAR Ignition Part Deux. How do these devs look at themselves in the mirror? Do they not hear us?
Thank you!!! I knew gamemill will trash this game just like street outlaws. The people of forza should've took this game. But I think nhra went to a cheap game company and especially they announced the partnership last year, and now this. They made the game way to fast, it take 3-4years to make a good game. I agree with you 100%, Im from sand drags sport.
Team6 Studios. That's how you know to avoid a game. This developer has NEVER made a single good game in their 20+ years of being around.
Bethesda just needs to revammp burnout PCE and rerelease with modern cars graphics and we'd have gold
Those are Racepak gauges, not motec.
Also the Pro gauge for top fuel has a green screen, it's not a color display, and most funny cars don't even have a visible gauge for the driver.
This is true. And Top Fuel cars are starting to put them on the back of the capsule now, similar to funny cars having them hooked up to the toy box before being unplugged and before rolling into the beams.
@@Scoe91Til I mean, there's not really anything for a driver to monitor in the 3 seconds they're going down the track. They don't have speedos, rpm is nice to see I guess but it's not like they have to shift and everything is logged to be viewed after so
Yelp. I think Tim Wilkerson may be the only one that hasn't removed the gauges from the cockpit as he's the tuner of his own car. That might've changed tho.
top fuel cars all have the racepak pro dash in the cockpit. some bigger teams have one the crew can plug in and use for making pre and post burnout adjustments.
why? because the driver still has fuel pressure specs the crew chief wants them to hit at different points. some are also specing brake pressure. helps with reaction time.
Great review. Wow, they really f'd up this game. So many errors. Thanks
Very thorough, truthful, and funny ASF..😂🤣🙏
i mean the worst that may happen is that it is just going to be a tiny bit better mobile game that is going to be played on every single device out there hopefully
Did they even look at any reference material?
IHRA drag racing, the ORIGINAL game produced by bethesda, was a fucking hidden gem. You could setup any sportsman racing setup imaginable from ET to index categories, Had a MASSIVE learning curve that was very technical but if you could get past it you could setup any class rule setup imaginable
I mean, are we going that hard on a pre-production release? i heard they are still workibg out licensing issue, and it really depends on the weather, but you can see nitro flames during the day sometimes at idle. And here in America, we start on gasoline and switch to the 90% (nominal) nitromethane.
I will give them that, licensing is a bitch. Papyrus released initial screenshots missing manufacturers on NASCAR Racing 4, which was a MASSIVE disappointment in community forums I was a part of, hoping that would be a improvement over N3, but the game did have the licensed manufacturers at release. Some of the other things pointed out (blocks, scoreboards, motec displays, etc) are hopefully missing due to this being early looks, but I won't hold my breath that more than half of it will be fixed by release.
The TF & FC run 1000ft not 2000ft, sounds like u said 2000 maybe I heard wrong.
This games company (devs, not the publisher) made the worst reviewed game on Steam last time I checked: Flatout 3.
The more you look the worse it gets 🤦🏼♂️ no branded cars is a massive red flag and screams cheap. No beadlocks on funny cars, parachute packs mounted centrally, double wheelie bars not single, the front wheels look like 13" 5 stud pattern not spindle mount. Just goes on and on, lack of attention to detail is embarrassing.
just bought this game, i come from a drag racing family and this game is insanely inacurate
There’s some pretty neat drag racing mobile games like no limit 2.0. Not the best, but for a free game, it’s quite fun.
Don't forget the butterflies are open during the run at full throttle. During the trailer they are closed during the run.
Overall I don’t think you really knew what your were talking about. But when you look at it this is the first game from a game that hasn’t been out in years. And from the looks of it to my eyes this game has crazy potential I wouldn’t be surprised to see how better they improve.
"This channel doesn't have any content"
Get them to understand we NEED wheel pedal support .
Anyone remembers „ Burnout Championship Drag Racing“ by HotRod and Bethesda? This was the last DragRacing game I enjoyed…. 1998….
Good video thank you. This game looks like a embarrassment for all who love racing. I'm removing it from my wish list and will never think about it again.
Seems as dumb as the Street outlaws game trailers I've seen. Almost puked when I watched it.
Send this video to the game makers so they can see how stupid they are.
The game may have some changes before release in August but small chance and they only have 38 drivers and no pro mod drivers from real life.I wanted to drive my dads pro mod teams car but it looks like we can’t do that.They should take more time to make this game and release in the next 6 to 8 months
NOOOO I WAS LOOKING FOWARD TO DRIVING THE PRO MOD THE MOST:(
>some changes before release in August
Didn't you learn a single fucking thing from Austin in the N21 debacle? This shit isnt getting fixed, stop overdosing on hopium.
@@vg_clxps9230 Who is your favorite pro mod driver
The best NHRA game is Countdown to the Championship, released in 2007 by Valuesoft and THQ which I still play to this day, along with NHRA Drag Racing 2 which I put so many hours into as a kid. When the NHRA announced a new game I was excited but also worried seeing they chose GameMill for it. GameMill are responsible for the subpar Street Outlaws games, they're okay but they're just not that great or what people want or expect from a drag racing game. I was hoping they'd turn it around and make something realistic like those classic games we love but it doesn't look like it. Another $15-20 bargain bin game. Hope the trailer was Alpha/Beta stuff because this is so bad lol
Do you play it on a pc or what? Cant seem to find a secure download anywhere for countdonw to the championship. Imagine if they just did a remake of that game with the 5 different car types in this game.. gamemill so far looks like a studio that makes flashy graphics games but not the best gameplay... Just wish someone like EA or any other BIG studio could make the official NHRA game.
As a huge drag racing fan... this just bums me out
nhra had the iRacing option and didnt wanna spend the money..... they dropped on us again
It’ll never be perfect because only like 1000 people will buy it, not much incentive unless there’s a dev that’s an actual fan of the sport
The parachutes look like the ones used on SpaceX’s crew dragon on reentry splash down
At this point, somebody just needs to mod drag racing into Nascar Racing 2003 Season lol
Funny thing is they already have
Seeing as how it was just a trailer and no game play it really doesn't look that bad.. gameplay and what kind of setups we can run will be the judge of the game!!
The only thing I know GameMill for is help publish the Tony Stewart games, other than that I know nothing about them, so I mean it's a little scary to put your video game into a team who hasn't done much work on racing games before and have only done work on a Monster Jam Game
I wish they would bring back NITTO 1320 or NITTO LEGENDS. BEST drag racing game EVER
Game Mill had a part in "Big Rigs Over the Road Racing".
GameMill actually also developed two different Platform Fighters inspired by Smash Bros. Being SlapCity, and Nickelodeon All Star Brawl.
This man predicted the future
So, you had the finished game and played it when it isn't out yet until August 26th? Or are your first looks looking at trailers of the game? Another point, nobody plays games on their phones, only card games are for phones. LOL. All other games should only be played on a 55 inch or larger 4K TV, especially racing games.
Man I'm telling you I hope one day we get a good drag racing game this sucks.... also 1000 feet not 2000 c'mon man lol🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Bro I don’t get why a big company dosent make a real drag racing game with bracket racing grudge races pro mods like there’s so much potential for online gameplay nowadays . The ps2 nhra game is gonna blow this out the water n it won’t be close it’s gonna be a arcade style game when will they realize we don’t want no little kid shit
thats cool hopefully they will have updates to make it better ill wait a while before i get it then...
This is an early trailer so they could be fixing some stuff, I just hope it's not overhyped like Tragiction
We will see I can't judge the trailer only when I get for my ps5
I noticed that when nhra pumped this out last week. Attention to detail? Zero. It's basically like twenty years ago. It's a 25 dollar game at best. I certainly won't be purchasing it.
Maybe they’ll fix some of this stuff in patch update!
Forget all of these other problems... No online multiplayer is the biggest miss of them all!
So you’re telling me they didn’t get anything right? All of your observations wouldn’t affect the play of the game in my opinion. As someone who has had to develop a product from scratch and within a budget your comments are unfair. Can you provide any feedback on the actual game play?
4:27 2000 feet or 1000 feet?
"to a thousand feet." I talk fast.
@@AustinOgonoski thanks for clearing that up
I've been waiting for a new game since 07....I'm definitely not buying that garbage
Was made because of a kid who mailed in to nhra front offices asking for a nhra licensed game. So I can see why it is not great. Basically made to complete a heartfelt story on social media
Lets be honest, the car brands don't matter, a white finish line doesn't matter, big parachutes may be ugly but it doesn't matter, no nhra official doesn't matter. The only things that really matter are the timing blocks, the motec dash, and the starting line being where it is supposed to and the tree dropping like its supposed to. This is drag racing, one of most complicated and simple motorsports on the planet, no need to nit pick.
Cars also need to drive like they are supposed to.
Can't reverse in certain cars on my ps5
No OEM involvement in a racing game, because that worked so well for NASCAR 09 by EA Sports
@Christopher I Wolf NASCAR 08 had manufacturers for Xfinity and the Gen 4 cup cars on the PlayStation 2 version
I noticed they used the same sound bites for all the cars in the trailer. And judging by the monster jam game they made, this is definitely gonna be a kids game. Trailer is even made formatted for kids.
Nhra Drag Racing 2 - Nhra Main Event were great games .You could get 100 plus people trying to qualify for a 32 car field .Had many hrs online racing these games. Wish I saw this video before I bought this game,. This game is lacking badly compared to what we have had already in Nhra Drag Racing Games . Now we get No Time Slips, Sand Traps, or Turn outs. I will sadly play it cause its all this drag racing fan has at the moment. Its sad that in 20 yrs we don't have a true drag racing sim game yet, that tickles the drivers and tuners alike.I love Drag Racing and Nhra is slacking with these games.
A few positives to mention
Yes there are some errors but what this game has that no other nhra game has had before is that it can be improved with updates the day one patch notes have been leaked so they have allready improved the finished product most of the complaints are in my opinion are small and can be very quick fixes i would rather get behind these devs that have made the first nhra game since i think 2007 then be to pessimistic about a game thats not even out yet
Maybe it was jus something they threw out to get people excited about the game cuz ik I am! Hopefully they fix all the little things before it comes out like all the bugs. I hope it sounds super realistic n graphics look amazing tho
Since you are pointing out all the flaws you should know that nitro cars aren't running 2000ft. Thats more than the 1220 ft a 1/4 mile dragstrip is... They run 1000ft.
I spoke fast bro, "to a thousand feet" came out as "to thousand feet".
The game is made by Team6. That's all you need to know. All of their previous works are absolute GARBAGE, including FlatOut 3.
This studio specializes in making the worst games humanly possible.