Connecting Tractor Attachments has Never Been Easier
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This will wear and vibrate no matter what you say.
The world is always vibrating. The question is tolerance to vibration.
That may be the greatest thing since sliced bread but you put on an older worn pto shaft and it’s going to wobble and vibrate like crazy. Anytime you add another joint in a shaft you’re going to add vibrations.
Use the two 3/8 bolts that come with the kit to bolt the two half's together. Do this and there will be no wobble.
@@smallfarminnovations4265doesn't fix the spline wear on the tractor or the equipment. All your doing is amplifying the vibration by adding length. This is going to destroy PTO bearings and seals.
@@johnanderson1013When this is a concern, the adapter will add length to the tractor PTO shaft which is not unbalanced. When the adapter is installed and bolted together, it will shorten the PTO shaft which is not balanced, will lower the mass imbalance level at 540 CPM. We have ran this unit at 1800 RPM and the amplitude at 1X run-speed was .08 IPS. This data was compared to IRD Standards and found in satisfactory levels.
I never thought of using one of those. Glad to see it in action.
Great product , for those who are concerned of strength can remedy the situation by buying a tractor for each implement. Bonus we have back up !
Another informative video, thanks Brock!
I just welded a 1 3/8" "SMOOTH" bore collar onto the implements splined yoke allowing easy engagement to the tractor's PTO shaft.
Personally, I like these, and I think they make a lot of sense, especially if you’re using a quick hitch and have extended your mounting points out a bit.
I do have a better solution, when the lottery and buy more tractors so you don’t have to change implements ;)
Add some grease to the (PTO) Power Take Off. To many armatures trying to farm or driving tractors. Need to know how the equipment goes together before you can operate it. More thinking and less using your mouth. That would go a long ways.
@eemc2cu745 on a small modern compact tractor. You barely have room to reach your arms in between the tractor and the implement to try to hook it up and then there’s a big plastic guard over it and you can’t get your hands on the retaining ring.
It’s not that it’s hard to slide on and off the shaft, it’s hard to even reach it
Great product! I just purchased the “PTO LINK” , very similar, wouldn’t be without one or the quick hitch!
That's what I use.
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Quick hitch is a must....the PTO Link not so much....the only issue I've had is just getting the splines lined up, but having a tractor where you can put the PTO in "neutral" so you can turn the shaft by hand takes that problem out of the equation as well. Some tractors I guess have issues where you don't have enough space to try and get your hands in there to hookup the PTO shaft, but haven't ran into that issue with my tractor.
Great idea. I only use the PTO for the snowblower, there's a backhoe attached the rest of the time.
Insight…ya got it bro..thanks!
Guess I'm one of a few that doesn't prefer a quick hitch or pto accessories. I run implements like a ditch bank flail mower etc. and it's more of a inconvenience to take a quick hitch off & on. Sold my speedco hitch & shot trap adapter with no regrets.
I never realized the ring locks were frustrating, the only one I have is on woods equipment and it locks open until the shaft is seated, so it is by far the easiest pto shaft I own. I'd say it's better that way than the quick disconnects.
It definitely varies tractor to tractor, on my Kubota with a quick hitch there is just the right clearance everywhere to reach through without much problem. My old Ford was awful and an adaptor like you are showing would have been great.
That collar type lock is the same style that is on the PTO shaft for my mid mount mower, works great, slide it onto the PTO output shaft on the tractor and it automatically locks when seated, and unlocks very easily as well, and that is in a pretty cramped space to get to and isn't any issue. The rear PTO has a lot better access than the mid-pto so no need for that $400+ coupler at least in my usage. I can see where it would be useful if you got an access issue to get to your PTO on the back of a tractor, but not the case on mine....some tractors once you get an implement hooked up you got like no room back there to get to anything LOL.
I wish my brush cutter was quick hitch compatible. I need to take a look and see if I can modify it. I want to adjust my discer too. I don't have a problem with this due to the amount of clearance I have on my old tractor but this is still going on the list of eventual purchases :)
I agree the ones with rings are horrible. Just use a PTO extender. Its $40, just the simple kind you press the pin with your thumb.
Had not spotted this option before. A hint for regular hook up, I keep a brass brush in the box to brush out the PTO shaft and clean the tractor drive spline. If the tractor is off, you should be able to turn the shaft easily to line up the spline. You did not mention cost?
He mentioned they are about $430 for the set towards the end of the video....a lot of money to connect a PTO shaft.
Yeah, keeping the splines on the PTO shaft on the tractor clean, as well as on the PTO shaft itself is a must, even using those quick connect couplers isn't a good idea if you don't bother to keep things clean and lubricated, it'll eventually just rust onto the shafts and you'll never get them back off...I haven't gone to the brush idea yet, I just been using a rag and wiping the shaft on the tractor off, and cleaning out the shaft side on the PTO shaft before connecting, and haven't had an issue, I use a spray lube as I go to hookup the PTO shaft, then wipe everything down after I remove the implement so it it don't collect a bunch of dirt.
First off, I've never had an issue connecting the splined shafts together except for the fact that for larger shafts hooking to bigger tractors, the things are bloody heavy. The adapter would compound that. Additionally, there's a reason for those multiple splines. Probably not a concern for a 4 foot lawnmower, but that adapter will twist up and break if it's carrying anything close to 80 hp or up. When it does, the pto shaft thrashing around loose will likely smash the tractor's pto shaft and break it right off. Good times. I've seen this happen with 540/1000 rpm adapters when they break.
Exactly, what a useless waste of money just maintain your pto shafts and you won’t have a problem. “You have to allign the splines well with the adapter you have to allign the pins what’s the difference. Those pins would break of clean with any tractor over a 100hp
"Breaking a sweat" is good for you
The one thing I really miss about my JD 2038R is being able to set the PTO to mid-mount so the tractor's PTO connection spins freely when hooking up a rear-mounted implement!
I’ve been using PTO Link for the last few. years. Much better than struggling to line up splines, pull back ring, etc. That being said, I still struggle with PTO Link as it can be hard to pull out inner pin while trying to switch the PTO Link to disengage it. This design looks much simpler. I was going to give it a try until I saw that the basic two part unit is $450 and each plate to put on your implement is another $150. It would cost me over $1,000 to switch over. That’s a bit rich for me.
Pr0blem 1 shortened effective length of PTO shaft changes angular velocity of joints. 2/ aligning 2 pins when PTO and implement shaft are locked can be more difficult than aligning 6 splines.
What guards and shields? 😅. The old style with rings are brutal. The push pin is much better as long as you lube it. The shaft coming out of the tractor doesn't always have a slot on all sides for the pin.
It's a great idea but too much money for me. If I was changing implements more often, I would consider it. Still, I see where there are times I would change from the mower to another implement for a small task, but I put it off because I don't want to mess with the PTO.
PTO length.... Aren't you just gaining back what you lost by using a quick hitch? Relatively speaking.
Yes
If you cut the PTO shaft in consideration of the quick hitch in the first place, no. If you cut the PTO shaft prior to getting a quick hitch, yes. I got my quick hitch after I got my roto-tiller, which made the shaft too short...I had to get an extender to solve that issue, but it just stays on the tiller side of the PTO shaft.
You just took all the strength of the shaft and transferred it to a little pin. Nothing says hobby farmer like that thing lol
It’s not just one pin, it’s four, plus the two locking pins makes it six total pins of strength.
Looks like a woodland mills box.
Very cool. Now I just wish someone could come up with something to ease the hooking up of hydraulic lines for my skid steer and about 7 attachments.
The flat face couplers I think are the easiest to hookup....if your skid steer doesn't have that style of coupler you may try swapping them out and see if that helps, otherwise I don't think anything exists to make that any easier LOL.
Good idea but best of all is what you said "mid pto"never never did i think of that ,turn it with you hand ✋
ALWAYS put the tractor pto in neutral so you can turn the tractor pto spline by hand, then most slip on easy (add some wd40 helps if they haven't been used for a while)
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They are interesting devices, have thought about them but the price needs to at least halve to open my wallet. The shafts and collars do work well when clean and use a dry lubricant to lrevent dirt and greese buildup. The shafts and couplers only need a very small amount of lubricant to facilitate over coming friction during installation and removal - not operation. So, just by not using greese - which is what my father and grandfather had done, there would be little to no sticky buildup and the coupler will slide onto the shaft easier. Wet lubricant attracts dirt then acts like sand paper causing not only difficulty with install but premature abbration on the splines, wearing down the shaft spline's corners and causing the splines to ride up in wach other, which also makes install and removal hard, but more importantly decreasing the locking effect of the splines and could cause the damage to the U-Joint. So, just keep 'em clean with no wet lubs and all will be fine.
Yeah they're extremely over-priced for what they are, and to solve a problem that doesn't really exist if you are paying attention, and keep the PTO shaft clean and lubed properly....biggest thing is people don't line the splines up right, then wonder why its a pain to install the PTO shaft, the other issue is they don't keep things clean, which makes installing and removing a PTO shaft a chore in itself.
Looks like a great product but it's the cost of some of these things that keep me from getting them lol maybe I'm cheap lol.
are you going to be making bales with Phil
To be fair he’s turning a 2 second job into a 10 minute job 😂
Has he heard of greasing the shaft first 😂
If the PTO shaft on the tractor and implement are oiled it’s a piece of cake normally, the only problem I have is with large heavy shafts, like on a big square baler, just because of the weight of lifting it and aligning it, I would have the same problem with that and I wouldn’t touch that with a barge pole for big heavy machines like that.
You know go back 40 years ago and these stupid guards did not exist attaching the pro was a breeze. Get agencies involved and we make things harder to do and increase costs
It’s very nice but cost way to much
Soooo, i would need how many copies for 2 discbines, three tedders, 3 rakes and 4 balers? And thats just for the haying equipment. Oh yeah, 8 tractors. Hmmmm. Didnt know I had such a big problem. Wait a minute, maybe a little oil on the disconnect pin might make it push in a little easier. Just sayin.
I'm not interested in those products.... I hook up anywhere from 1 to 5 pto shafts per day at my job..... we just do it the old fashion way. We have a pto link pto adapter and it's just sitting on a shelf collecting dust.... no one uses it. Whether it's lining splines or the pins it still needs to be aligned, splines give u 6 options... pins give you 2 options of alignment.
When you get a series 8 CV PTO that weighs 35-45lbs on a 15ft bat wing mower, with a bad shoulder, arthritic hands or some other disability, this device makes is way easier. A sub compact tractor with all the guards and shields they have, leaves minimal room, so this product makes it way easier. So my product has it's place. The first unit I made was tested by an disabled veteran to make his life easier. He loved it.
@@smallfarminnovations4265 I mean no disrespect. I know every product out there has a buyer.... just for me I'm still young I couldn't justify the cost because I have no problem hooking up ptos.... I still think this design is the pats easy change version of quick hitches. I think if you really wanted to bring this product to the next level I think having no splines or pins to lock together would be the best, have an internal catch that would lock once the pto is turned on then the centrifugal force of the pto would lock it, this way the pto can be connected at any point without ANY lining of pins truly making this even easier and a better product.
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Brock......does it come in any other color other than RED!!!!
I’m not sure. I would have to check the website.
The website says it comes in red, orange, blue, green and black.
Spray paint color of your choice ;).
$430? Seems rich.
PTO shaft and farm equipment manufacturers have been in the process of eliminating protrusions and improving shielding on PTO shafts for 50+ years. Don't look for this to show up on any reputable manufacturer's equipment anytime soon. If you use one of these, be careful using it and buy one soon because the current manufacturer will be out of business with the first personal injury lawsuit.
So first I didn’t read all the comments so I apologize if this was asked/answered but my go to concern is the strength of those tabs/nipples where the two pieces join. Any idea of what the shear strength is? I’m brand new to this stuff and learning from guys like you but in my mind it seems as though compared to the power and weight of the PTO and shaft etc that those little tabs would be the weak link. Any insight?
They have torque rating and other specs on their website
It was tested and has been out a while
We tested on a 170hp tractor at 1400 ft lbs. of torque with our dynamometer. If this is a concerned use 3/8" X 1 1/4" grade 5 cap screw coarse thread that we can ship with the adapter. We have them on 100 hp+ tractors pulling Schulte 15ft bat wings and no issues but they bolt the two have together.
A solution to a problem that doesn’t exist!
lol. I’ve had so many messages from people asking me to review these because they struggle with access to pull the ring back and force this shaft to slide.
90% of the problem in my experiences caused by the plastic guards that cover the mechanism and make the shafts stiff
Just Like the Three Point Quick Hitch, The Cordless Drill, The Electric Windows in a Vehicle, The Hydraulic Quick Connect Couplers
@@smallfarminnovations4265 they actually make sense, this doesn't help, you still have to align the two pins, its an extra coupler that can cause vibrations, and a pto takes less than 5 seconds to hook up as it is.
If only it were that easy when your PTO wont free spin, and you have to lift the damn mower, or tiller, or rotary, or whatever off the ground and then fight with it to rotate and align the damn holes and pins. I spent $800 on PTO Link brand, and those pieces of garbage have been sitting unused for the last 8 months now
Some tractors give you the ability to free spin the PTO and some don’t.
Mine does so I’m just lucky in that regard
I agree, the worst part of hooking a pto up is lining the splines up, this device doesn't solve that, u still need to align the pins. If the implement and tractor don't easily spin, this doesn't help that.
The two alignment arbors helps you grab and turn the PTO shaft for alignment. PTO Link has nothing to grab.
No quick-hitch = more patience. 😂😂😂😂 Lord...give me more patience. Ugh
Way too expensive for what it is, as are some of the competing similar products. Cut the price in half, and I might get interested.
Too pricey...
All those things are, trying to solve a problem that regular maintenance would keep from happening. The PTO shaft is the least of the problems when hooking up an implement, its getting the 3 point hitch pins lined up to go on the 3 point hitch the first time....quick hitch kind of helps with that, until you find that most implements aren't quick hitch compatible, or are, but aren't depending on which quick hitch you have, probably need a couple different brands LOL...found out the Land Pride quick hitch isn't very quick with most implements as the top hook on it isn't adjustable (not much of a quick hitch at that point)....so I got one off Vevor for $200, and works with all my implements because I can simply pull 2 pins and raise or lower that top hook to match up with the implements....and the Vevor quick hitch was about 1/2 of the cost of the Kubota one....seriously Kubota you can't figure out how to build a proper quick hitch, yet you charge ridiculous prices for your implements.
@@wildbill23canother thing with the quick hitch if you have a smaller tractor is it extends the length reducing the amount of weight you can handle, not to mention it’s also sloppier. And your right as far as maintenance goes, the only time I can’t get a pto hooked up in under 5 seconds is if it won’t slide out.
Damn hooking the PTO is the easiest part of hooking up a 3 point hitch. If you can't hook up a PTO maybe you shouldn't be operating a tractor.
That really depends on the implement. A really small Tractor with a large plastic guard on the end of the shaft, can become quite difficult. I actually find the plastic guards are a lot harder to slide than the actual shaft.
I find Connecting the three-point, even without a quick Hitch to be fairly easy comparatively
Drawback IMO is that you change the geometry and have more leverage on the bearings of the PTO shaft on your tractor. I am no fan of this.
Any play is too much. Perhaps ok for garden tractors. And way too expensive.
I stopped watching at $400. Now, I can make my own for $50.00.
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@@RockhillfarmYT I understand how the System of a business works. But, what ever happened to doing things for the Greater Good? Why does everything have to have a profit attached. You said it yourself, your not going to get rich off of a simple item. I make things all of the time & sell them at the cost of the material & believe me I'm far from wealthy. I do it because I enjoy helping other people. Just like this item, I will make them & give them away at the cost of materials only.
@@BuddyAmericafirst-nh4ms yeah, that is mostly how I live. I do free work for people all the time and I really struggled to ever charge what something is worth.
I came up with a simple product that solved a problem and was selling it as cheap as humanly possible. I did over $1 million in sales in a year and then went out of business because I wasn’t charging enough. I just couldn’t bring myself to charge what you have to charge
If everyone just made a few for the people around them then products wouldn’t be commonly available. This is why you can really only buy stuff that is made in China. Not much is made in America anymore.
$430??????? Most of my implements don’t cost that much I buy used
I’ve been driving big and small machines for over 30yrs just don’t
I Would Not Fit This,You Want Less Junk Not More And Fitting a PTO is Not Hard So No Point
Is This Made and Tested To Same Standards as PTO Shafts,What Happens if a Clip Get Fired Off and Hits Some One ?,This is why a Proper PTO Has The Fixing system it Has as There are No Metal Parts Spinning that Can Detach .
Another big solution to a non existant problem and royaly expensive !
The question is how many time a day are you changing implement with PTO shaft ?
And a vibration expert tell you there is no vibration in the assembly ...
wow ! and do you count the vibration cause by the necessary play to install on the tractor
plus the necessary play to be able to install on the implement
You know what , i will take my time and link the PTO shaft and keep my money for real problem !
A couple hundred horsepower will destroy that in a day.
That's why its rated for 125. We tested on 175 no issues.
Dude. Not been operating a tractor long, as I can see. Been farming for over 40 years. Have never had an issue with connecting a (PTO) Power Take Off. No issues connecting Silo fillers, Hay Bines, Mowers, Bailers, Hay Conditioners or that fact any thing that requires a (PTO) Power Take Off. First things first. Both side of the (PTO) Power Take Off shaft have to be clean and free of dirt. A little grease goes a long ways. A build up of dirt will defeat you each time trying to slide the (PTO) Power Take Off shaft over the splines of the shaft coming out of the tractor. Try taking better care of your equipment. You wouldn't have to rely on jerry rigged equipment created by someone who did not know any thing about farming. Try finding a different hobby other than one that involves tractors. You, give Farmers a bad name!
Or maybe you’re only thinking of everything from your perspective. The tractors and the implements that you’re using are probably very different than the ones I’m using.
On a subcompact, there is no room for you to even reach in between the implement and the tractor and then there’s a big plastic guard and you can barely get your hands up to the mechanism that you have to pull and you’re extending out as far as you can reach
It’s not about the shaft being difficult to slide
I know it’s fun being a grouchy old cuss, but that doesn’t make it necessary
No hate but I don’t see any advantage at all in this more like a useless invention. Just keep your pro shafts greased and especially when they have a little play in them they slide on like nothing it’s like 2 seconds. I think a tractor that has a little bit more power would just break the pins of that adapter
“Can be bolted together “ talk about defeating the purpose of easy install of a product claiming to make a “ difficult” task easy. “ only takes a couple minutes”
Connecting a PTO is very simple to begin with. Stop reinventing the wheel.
You made a good video but the product is a dud
Wow that invention can for sure transfer the full 5 horsepower. Total bs design
They had it tested on 130 hp tractor and had no issues at all. There’s another really popular brand of these that doesn’t do as good job at handling the vibration and they still don’t have any problems with them