any thoughts or opinions on the leveling up to upgrade for online multiplayer system as talked about in ar12gaming's video? would love to hear what you have to say. as for me, i think it's a painstaking task. almost makes me not want to play online.
Tire barriers gone, a working penalty system, and track limits re-drawn are all VERY good things! Let’s hope the safety ranking actually punishes and prevents people from racing against higher safety ranked drivers.
And more than 60 fps in MP. I upgraded early this year to a 5800X3D+7900XT+64GB ddr3600 (Mostly for DCS). And the lower input lag caused by the high fps in 3440x1440 has enabled me to position the car better, drive more safely while battling other cars, and more importantly catch slides or developing spins a lot more than before. And in close battles, especially if you a running almost bumper to bumper in heavy rain, getting the information that your opponent is starting to brake a few miliseconds earlier helps a lot.
@@lyomon9981 i dont believe it is because of a lack of mod support. i think it is because of the lack of innovation over the long time the series has been around and the fact the community has been fine with the games being like that. not to mention the stray away from horizons roots of a festival into something i would consider more "corporate" over the years.
I wonder how the wheel force feedback is going to be. I hope they take their time with it, wheels are getting super popular, and the DD wheels themselves just keep getting better and cheaper.
@@Elijah1573 well on my wheel /settings it’s really good, I have Asseto corsa and the force feedback is ok compared to how peopl make it sound. I have a low end wheel but fh5 is amazing with good settings.
@@rileyvosper411 So i recently upgraded from a G29 to a direct drive and it really helps on the full simulators as those FFB systems are designed for a DD wheel The G29 gears always made it feel quite a bit worse in those games While FH5 is a more casual game i can see why it would feel better on a low end wheel than a full simulator But in my experience FH5 FFB just felt bad on both wheels
Not having spectator mode at launch is fine with me as long as Turn10 really revamp and overhaul it to a TV broadcast-like level of spectating, same for the replay system. I want to see new camera angles and not just the ugly, unrealistic panning shots around the cars. I want corner cameras, being able to choose a turn and spectate it. Camera angles were just so hideous and didn’t show any action, it buffered every single time someone left the race, buffered everytime you switched players. Watching FM7’s spectator mode plus replay system was just an absolute filthy mess for me who loves racing from both perspectives
Having a broadcast like camera that follows the action would be great I like the system in ACC But its locked to whatever car you selected so you need to manually change it to find where the action is
@@Elijah1573 Yeah, i hope with all this new “live data technology” Turn10 are using to create better races, hopefully it also creates a seamlessly cycling camera system in the spectator mode which detects action, it’d be a hit or miss. I think if a new camera angle were to jump from corner to corner as the car arrives to said corners, and the view of the corners were at a far enough distance to cover all the action of the chosen player battling it out with others, that’d be enough for me to be satisfied. just NO MORE PANNING SHOTS.
This feels so much like FM4 and the Motorsport we have all been asking for. I just hope that all the rammers are dealt with & that we can enjoy clean races
@@ESV_Green The problem is having to drive clean in career, I'll drive like I do normally against AI cause I mean, its AI, bit of rubbing and ramming is fine against them IMO, but I don't wanna end up against rammers in multiplayer cause I don't like M Rossi and whenever I can will put him in the wall (he ruined so many races for me in FM3, 4 and 7, and if he comes back, he will die every race I see him)
@@richardhobbs7360 I dont think driver and sefety rating carry over from sp to mp, so ram as many AI in sp as u please, just keep it respectful when racing against actual players :)
I hope the private multiplayer lobbies are set up in a way you as a host can create and title your own lobby, and everybody online can simply join your lobby in regards to the hostess restrictions. So, for example, if you want to host a drift lobby or drag racing lobby, you simply customize the lobby and title it, and anybody that joins multiplayer simply sees your lobby and joins in.
In FM2, you could create these lobbies and you didn't have to title the type of race it was. It was listed in the sub menu directly below the lobby name. It was really easy to find the right race you were looking for (unlike GT7 with virtually no information and the crappy PP system). Then you can title the lobby whatever you wanted to give more detail. Like C-B-A-S or Multi-car, etc.
surely we will get drivatars in private lobbies back? back in FM5 and 6, 90% of my time was spent with a couple of mates in private lobbies, with the rest of the grid filled with AI. this, plus being able to choose the car, livery, and tune they use would be so amazing. me and my mates have so many ideas for custom championships involving AI, this is required for us.
So far, I still don’t see any negatives for me. Looks like they are mainly focusing on the racing. Love it. I think the levelling of the car will actually be fun and rewarding. I do a lot of time attack and car tuning, so should be able to level up any car super quick while tuning.
Multiplayer looked decently promising from what I saw on the Forza stream, hopefully it should promote some slightly cleaner racing. Whether or not the online works properly is another story, but *anywaaayyss...*
I just want even racing not being left on the line by some bulls*** speed tune, and you just know that the spec lobby is going to be a ghost town if they can't rely on the game to hold their hands.
a lot of this is stuff that has been in assetto corsa/iracing for years, but the difference is that this is formatted for normal people. it’s approachable! forza motorsport is going to be a game changer in the sim racing world
All of the cuts made to the game weren’t big cuts, they were smaller, more intuitive cuts made to focus on the pure game aspect of it and I think that the choices they made for cuts are very good. I’m glad they’re actually working on the game and not just releasing a shitty mess.
Ahh I'm quite sad about splitscreen. Now if my friends come over we'll have to do races vs AI (or online) rather than races against each other. That's the only cut I'm a little sad about
This is getting me super excited! I’m still concerned about the whole credits issue from a few months ago but we’ll just have to see how it all goes at launch
Nice video Hoki! Summarizes everything very well! Gotta relate with you man, no spectator view at launch is a hard pill to swallow. This would essentially be my first FM, but I can easily tell that that would hurt communities and race organizers who want to share their content or stream and what not. The good old twitch theater multi stream works to an extent, but it doesn’t feel like a full experience in my opinion. I hope the devs develop a bandaid solution in the meantime, perhaps an expanded data stream to somehow replicate certain spectator view features, but we’ll just have to see on day one. Truly a big hit when a lot of people would be riding the day one hype train.
Very excited for this new forza. I like the car progression and focus on actual clean and competitive racing. If it plays well on my sim rig, i can see myself sinking many hours on this title.
@@Tymanderr i have played fm7 with my fanatec, but the physics definitely favor controller players. Gt7. Plays excellent but the career is terrible and sport mode is too sweaty for me. From what i have heard about the updated physics and cars actually having more grip sounds very promising to me.
@@sgtdealer2916 I'd really like to have a campaign racing game where I have an excuse to use my Fanatec too. Right now I use it a lot for Assetto and drifting, but I'd like to get into grip racing with a wheel, and GT7 was an absolute wash for me. No real single player campaign and a horrendous economy meant even though whel support seemed okay I just didn't bother.
@@thesprawl2361 try out iracing, it’s amazing especially in vr! I do a lot of touge on ac and drifting too. I’m still new to a wheel but I cannot got back
I'm disappointed that some important tracks are not there at launch like Daytona, Road Atlanta, Sebring, Bathurst, and Monza but I'm very confident all these tracks are coming later. What needs to happen is a bunch of new tracks also need to come along. Imola, Zolder, Oschersleben, Hockenheim, Bahrain, Dijon Prenois, Donnington, Dubai Autodrome, Fuji Speedway, some others I forget. This game needs alot more places to race and give us more places from all regions that we've never been in Forza. Just don't waste out time with Yas Marina or Sonoma or Long Beach, those places freaking blow!
Super hyped about Forza multiplayer with the rotation of series/classes but to have static gt/touring series with weekly track rotations🥰 this is exactly what I want also the sr and dr match-making will make things a lot better after release I will probably not play iRacing anymore 😃and am glad I didn't invest to heavily into it .
Honestly im just hoping the physics and community is there I love hopping on ACC servers to do fast clean racing Ive even been considering joining a competitive league But im worried in motorsport it will be more like upgraded horizion physics and that the players will be more reckless If it is actually sim level physics with a good community i might have to move over then
FRR won't be perfect. A computer is never going to get penalties right every time, but the threat of penalties alone (not to mention safety ratings) does 90% of the work to keep racing clean.
I hope we can adjust the cockpit as how we want not just one position that you can see the entire dashboard and make you feel your sitting on the back seat
I don't get too hyped for games anymore and also guys NEVER PREORDER. However this game looks to me like it would smoke gt7 in almost every aspect (mby except car variety). It would be so good to have a plug and play track racer that pushes the genre forward. Only other game coming out is AC2 in 2024 though^^
Gt7 wheel support and physics are top notch IMO. It is let down by the sorry excuse for a campaign in the form of menu books. Online racing is pretty good but very sweaty. Hopefully forza can deliver a more realistic driving experience than FM7.
13:48 Did they actually say we will have a lobby list for private lobbies? I can't find any external sources of that and just wondering. I found a post on the forum where somebody asked the question but didn't get an answer. The news post doesn't mention it at all either.
The joining lobbies as a group sounds like a great idea but I feel like it could be exploited by rammers using high rated drivers to cause chaos all over the lobby
As in to get lower rated drivers into higher rated lobbies? I dont think the matchmaking will allow that, cus thats the whole premise of the matchmaking
i get that split screen is hard on consoles, but they could open it up to PC players. the ability to turn down settings plus being able to spec PCs much higher than even the Series X means that it should be a viable option for many pc users. i personally really enjoy reformatting the window in split screen games so each person gets their own dedicated monitor.
@@falcongamer58 the problem is the demand for it, 20 years ago splitscreen was required cause online play was laggy and painful, now tho, those issues are gone, there is no downsides to online play, and only upsides when compared to split screen
It's been pretty good news so far. I'm hoping they have FoV options like Horizon does on PC. Makes driving cockpit fun. A radar and rear view option would be useful as well. Here is hoping that they get wheel support down. Horizon does a pretty good job of this, but it would be nice to see improvement and the gap between Controller and Wheel closed to within a reasonable distance. The biggest issue being how wheels handle high front downforce compared to sims. In Horizon it sharpens your steering inputs way too much, making fast high DF cars hard to control. also, if the new physics kill RWD power cars (which shouldn't be an issue in spec racing), that helps as well. It is a shame they don't separate Forza GT out into GT4, GT3/GTE, Prototypes. Would be nice to see that closer reflect the real world. AR12gaming said spec racing was single make, but that didn't seem to be what Chris was saying in the monthly or what they were showing with multiple types of touring cars on the same track. BoP tuned cars with different makes and models may not be as even, but is way more interesting.
I'm cautiously optimistic. I haven't actually played a motorsport entry since like, 2 or 3, but from the sounds of things, it is fixing basically every frustration I had about trying to seriously race in Horizon.
Looks like the devs have been listening to the players on the forza forums and implementating a lot of requested features, I think they are going to have a real hit on their hands, as long as the handling model feels right. If this plays great I would go as as to say I would pay for quality track and car pack dlc in the future. Kind of like with assetto corsa competizione, new tracks and cars for around £15 per pack.
It looks very promising, but I am a little bit concerned about the progression system i.e. not being able to use credits to upgrade cars. I would like a substantial campaign. It doesn’t have to be a story, but I don’t want artificial time wasting in order to pad play hours. Furthermore, just like GT7 I’m not too pleased that you have to be online to save your career progress. However, I understand why it’s done these days to mitigate save tampering or exploitation of the system also security involving saves. That said I’m thus far excited. As long as they stay true to their promise with no micro transactions or credit packs, like Gran Turismo has been doing and add stingy race pay outs in the beginning of GT7 ( Thus far I believe they got the memo and reversed this BUT car prices are still outrageous and thus incentivize the in game store (Referencing GT7)
I’m willing to bet that the reason for this is because they can’t build a game that doesn’t have a broken economy 😂 the last several games have had game breaking glitches and this is their way around it… unfortunately this stupid progression system makes its take an insane amount of time to do what we want… which is have fun building cars and building then for different things
@@Texas_Road_Warrior I mean you have 2 choices, easy, like Horizon, or total BS and make people quit the game, like GT7, its very, very hard to tread the line between them TBF
Near 13:45 you mention private multiplayer and how customizable it is. Followed by a laundry list of things we cant do. All of the available customizations you mention seem to be nothing compared to having a full grid of friends WITH AI especially since it has no impact on our driver or safety ratings. I honestly cant believe people are excited for this. All of the positives you mention in this video are contingent upon the FRR actually working correctly. So far just from everything I have heard from Chris and this video, Private multiplayer sounds like a complete fail.
My favorite thing to do in the previous forza was just go into a private lobby and build drag cars, race cars, wheelie cars etc. Then race my friends, I’m hoping I can still do that, without having to grind upgrades for every car.
I think you will need to level up every car to upgrade it. This might not be the game for you. Doesn’t bother me, but I understand if that’s all you like to do.
@@sgtdealer2916 I do like to do online races but a lot of it is just too competitive for me, and I’m obviously going to wait until launch to see if that’s the case and whatnot.
@@sgtdealer2916you know, this new car level system kinda reminds me of the progression of the ps2 gt games. Especially at the start where you have absolutely no money
Hopefully they really hammer down the use of wheels by having full customization of controls so we can utilize all the buttons on some of the better wheels out there like the Fanatec brand.
This is what most sim racing games are lacking. Leading to the community to come up with 3rd party solutions for online racing. I just hope the physics and wheel support will be there.
A lot of this sounds great, practice and quali is awesome. I know the physics are updated so we'll see on release but I wish they would have the option for a f-you physics setting that feels closer to ac/c or pc2. I'm not demanding everyone be forced to at large or even in my races, but there is a real difference between the examples which are not perfect but very close to irl and then jumping to forza its all so spongy in comparison. The added help from the software is counteracted by the -cade of it all.
Is there a "public" version of the private lobbies? Basically, do we have options to create a lobby and have randoms be able to see and join our rooms we hosted?
Despite no spectator mode at launch, I remain optimistic that this game can have some incredible post-launch updates. Once PG was done with the 2 expansions, the updates for horizon 5 have been incredible!
I saw you racing around our beloved Mount Panorama at Bathurst yet I have not seen it in any list of CONFIRMED TRACKS... Can I take this video as confirmation that Bathurst will be in the game? I have been holding back on pre-ordering until I know this track will be in the game and would love some confirmation. Thank you.
I would just like for them to bring back the FM4 settings in private lobbies. We was able to have AIs race with us as well pick the cars and colors of the cars that we wanted a AI to drive. If you supposedly have some pull with the devs tell them we want this feature back ASAP.
I really hope they put a forced slowdown like gt7 multiplayer for timr penalties rather than add it on at the end of the race cos it never works you just get people corner cutting and outrunning the time penalties
Can you build your own private custom races with cars you select as opponents like fm4? Would be even better if you could use cars in your own garage like gt7
Depending on how much those logitech wheels cost you, they are solid and last for ages A bit more pricey than the g29/920 you can get the thrustmaster tx based wheels. You can buiy a decent loadcell pedal set(more accurate breaking) and the wheels are swappable, F1 wheel, round wheel for drifting but this pushes the price up quickly You seriously like racing getting a Fanatec ready to race bundle for $400 is a great for getting into DD but after this it gets REALLY expensive
I recently bought a Thrustmaster T248 wheel for £220. Its great, especially the shifters and the pedals.. Got myself a wheel stand pro to put it on as well. Now I am broke.
@@Rich-pj9wv yeah, I’ve been reading good things about the thrustmaster. Especially as an entry level system. I guess I could mount it on my desk for now. So long as it works week with my series x
It is iracing format(the best we have so far) rotating events with drivers ranked on ELO and Safety Rating So glad they did this, hopefully clean racers will get clean lobbies now
Looks beautiful. But, in real life, SIMs almost always seem to ignore the physics of aqua planing in wet conditions... In real life, would expect to be staying well away from those slippy rumble-strips. Wet line only. Going over some of those rivers and lakes would mean being a passenger for -over a second- minutes! 😅
Never really played Multiplayer on Forza Motorsport, Bought GT7 on the PS5 and it's all I play - they see to have it nailed. Sounds like Forza Motorsport is leaning towards the same experience which is great.
I do like race weekend style lobbies, as in the F1 game. Does create better races. - But I hope this is not for all multiplayer lobbies. Aka there's a track you don't like, then your in it for the next 45 minutes unless you try a new lobby, Also would make it harder to find a race that's about to start. Or if somebody rams you off then you just wasted 30 minutes and your race is over by lap 2. - Personally I like having a new car / track every 10-15 minutes or so with back=to-back racing. And don't need practise. That's what rivals are for. - Still glad this is being added. Just hope there is still the previous style lobbies too.
Quick note about the end of the video: VIR is actually confirmed for FM 😅
Any information on voice chat in Motorsport? FM7 voice chat sucked and never worked right.
@@benjaminhigham3624nothing thats been mentioned afaik
@@benjaminhigham3624wdym never worked right? I never had any problems with it
any thoughts or opinions on the leveling up to upgrade for online multiplayer system as talked about in ar12gaming's video? would love to hear what you have to say. as for me, i think it's a painstaking task. almost makes me not want to play online.
@@AwesomeAlex808 play spec series racing then. No tuning or leveling up needed
Tire barriers gone, a working penalty system, and track limits re-drawn are all VERY good things! Let’s hope the safety ranking actually punishes and prevents people from racing against higher safety ranked drivers.
And more than 60 fps in MP.
I upgraded early this year to a 5800X3D+7900XT+64GB ddr3600 (Mostly for DCS).
And the lower input lag caused by the high fps in 3440x1440 has enabled me to position the car better, drive more safely while battling other cars, and more importantly catch slides or developing spins a lot more than before.
And in close battles, especially if you a running almost bumper to bumper in heavy rain, getting the information that your opponent is starting to brake a few miliseconds earlier helps a lot.
i think this might be the forza that turns the franchise around for the better. hopefully
@@XAV-117 but horizon's same style over and over again makes it boring
@@XAV-117no it isn’t lol
@@XAV-117agree 💯
While forza horizon intentionally make the game bad without mod support
@@lyomon9981 i dont believe it is because of a lack of mod support. i think it is because of the lack of innovation over the long time the series has been around and the fact the community has been fine with the games being like that. not to mention the stray away from horizons roots of a festival into something i would consider more "corporate" over the years.
I wonder how the wheel force feedback is going to be. I hope they take their time with it, wheels are getting super popular, and the DD wheels themselves just keep getting better and cheaper.
Yep if it feels like gt7 on a wheel I won't even bother playing. Hope it's good on PC
If it like fh5 it will be good, fh5 has arcade physics but the force feedback is really good on my wheel.
@@rileyvosper411 Ive played FH5 on my wheel and the FFB felt pretty bad compared to actual simulators like ACC or Iracing
@@Elijah1573 well on my wheel /settings it’s really good, I have Asseto corsa and the force feedback is ok compared to how peopl make it sound. I have a low end wheel but fh5 is amazing with good settings.
@@rileyvosper411 So i recently upgraded from a G29 to a direct drive and it really helps on the full simulators as those FFB systems are designed for a DD wheel
The G29 gears always made it feel quite a bit worse in those games
While FH5 is a more casual game i can see why it would feel better on a low end wheel than a full simulator
But in my experience FH5 FFB just felt bad on both wheels
The true skill system sounds amazing, will put appropriate players together, I can't wait to get some clean racing in with similar drivers.
Not having spectator mode at launch is fine with me as long as Turn10 really revamp and overhaul it to a TV broadcast-like level of spectating, same for the replay system. I want to see new camera angles and not just the ugly, unrealistic panning shots around the cars. I want corner cameras, being able to choose a turn and spectate it. Camera angles were just so hideous and didn’t show any action, it buffered every single time someone left the race, buffered everytime you switched players. Watching FM7’s spectator mode plus replay system was just an absolute filthy mess for me who loves racing from both perspectives
Having a broadcast like camera that follows the action would be great
I like the system in ACC But its locked to whatever car you selected so you need to manually change it to find where the action is
@@Elijah1573 Yeah, i hope with all this new “live data technology” Turn10 are using to create better races, hopefully it also creates a seamlessly cycling camera system in the spectator mode which detects action, it’d be a hit or miss. I think if a new camera angle were to jump from corner to corner as the car arrives to said corners, and the view of the corners were at a far enough distance to cover all the action of the chosen player battling it out with others, that’d be enough for me to be satisfied. just NO MORE PANNING SHOTS.
Wish I was as fast on the track as I am making it to Hoki's videos
This feels so much like FM4 and the Motorsport we have all been asking for. I just hope that all the rammers are dealt with & that we can enjoy clean races
if u drive clean u will never see rammers again
@@ESV_Green The problem is having to drive clean in career, I'll drive like I do normally against AI cause I mean, its AI, bit of rubbing and ramming is fine against them IMO, but I don't wanna end up against rammers in multiplayer cause I don't like M Rossi and whenever I can will put him in the wall (he ruined so many races for me in FM3, 4 and 7, and if he comes back, he will die every race I see him)
@@richardhobbs7360 I dont think driver and sefety rating carry over from sp to mp, so ram as many AI in sp as u please, just keep it respectful when racing against actual players :)
@@ESV_Green it does, mentioned in Forza monthly
The physics look like fm7 so far away from fm4
I hope the private multiplayer lobbies are set up in a way you as a host can create and title your own lobby, and everybody online can simply join your lobby in regards to the hostess restrictions. So, for example, if you want to host a drift lobby or drag racing lobby, you simply customize the lobby and title it, and anybody that joins multiplayer simply sees your lobby and joins in.
In FM2, you could create these lobbies and you didn't have to title the type of race it was. It was listed in the sub menu directly below the lobby name. It was really easy to find the right race you were looking for (unlike GT7 with virtually no information and the crappy PP system). Then you can title the lobby whatever you wanted to give more detail. Like C-B-A-S or Multi-car, etc.
@GraphicFrost you can name the race whatever you want
surely we will get drivatars in private lobbies back? back in FM5 and 6, 90% of my time was spent with a couple of mates in private lobbies, with the rest of the grid filled with AI.
this, plus being able to choose the car, livery, and tune they use would be so amazing. me and my mates have so many ideas for custom championships involving AI, this is required for us.
Unfortunately no they will not be
@@Rooivalk_Mk_1.1 where did you see that? i know they mentioned no drivatars in featured multiplayer, but they said nothing about private multipayer.
story of my life and the reason i think fm5 is better than both 6 and 7, with 4 still being the king
I've been really enjoying these overviews on forza
So far, I still don’t see any negatives for me. Looks like they are mainly focusing on the racing. Love it.
I think the levelling of the car will actually be fun and rewarding. I do a lot of time attack and car tuning, so should be able to level up any car super quick while tuning.
Multiplayer looked decently promising from what I saw on the Forza stream, hopefully it should promote some slightly cleaner racing.
Whether or not the online works properly is another story, but *anywaaayyss...*
I just want even racing not being left on the line by some bulls*** speed tune, and you just know that the spec lobby is going to be a ghost town if they can't rely on the game to hold their hands.
a lot of this is stuff that has been in assetto corsa/iracing for years, but the difference is that this is formatted for normal people. it’s approachable!
forza motorsport is going to be a game changer in the sim racing world
Great summary vid thanks. I feel like this game was made for me specifically. :) can't wait.
Everything is perfect! All we need now is Fujimi Kaido back!
All of the cuts made to the game weren’t big cuts, they were smaller, more intuitive cuts made to focus on the pure game aspect of it and I think that the choices they made for cuts are very good. I’m glad they’re actually working on the game and not just releasing a shitty mess.
Ahh I'm quite sad about splitscreen. Now if my friends come over we'll have to do races vs AI (or online) rather than races against each other. That's the only cut I'm a little sad about
no fair hitting me with that Art of Rally music. Makes any driving exciting.
This looks awesome! So many of the things we've been asking for since Forza Motorsport 3 are finally possible!!
Now the only thing that is missing is VR support on PC
6:45 is something that has been needed for a very long time, especially since life happens to us all.
This is getting me super excited! I’m still concerned about the whole credits issue from a few months ago but we’ll just have to see how it all goes at launch
7:01 i felt like a psychopath in this seconds because i laughed when you mentioned the car will went to the wall😂😂😂
Nice video Hoki! Summarizes everything very well! Gotta relate with you man, no spectator view at launch is a hard pill to swallow. This would essentially be my first FM, but I can easily tell that that would hurt communities and race organizers who want to share their content or stream and what not. The good old twitch theater multi stream works to an extent, but it doesn’t feel like a full experience in my opinion. I hope the devs develop a bandaid solution in the meantime, perhaps an expanded data stream to somehow replicate certain spectator view features, but we’ll just have to see on day one. Truly a big hit when a lot of people would be riding the day one hype train.
I'm trying to temper my excitement until we see the launch, but im getting more optimistic by the day.
Very excited for this new forza. I like the car progression and focus on actual clean and competitive racing. If it plays well on my sim rig, i can see myself sinking many hours on this title.
Agreed, can’t even get my wheel to connect to fh5 or fm7, my hopes are low
@@Tymanderr i have played fm7 with my fanatec, but the physics definitely favor controller players. Gt7. Plays excellent but the career is terrible and sport mode is too sweaty for me. From what i have heard about the updated physics and cars actually having more grip sounds very promising to me.
@@Tymanderr Wheel support on PC for FH5 is idiotically bad.
@@sgtdealer2916 I'd really like to have a campaign racing game where I have an excuse to use my Fanatec too. Right now I use it a lot for Assetto and drifting, but I'd like to get into grip racing with a wheel, and GT7 was an absolute wash for me. No real single player campaign and a horrendous economy meant even though whel support seemed okay I just didn't bother.
@@thesprawl2361 try out iracing, it’s amazing especially in vr! I do a lot of touge on ac and drifting too. I’m still new to a wheel but I cannot got back
I'm disappointed that some important tracks are not there at launch like Daytona, Road Atlanta, Sebring, Bathurst, and Monza but I'm very confident all these tracks are coming later. What needs to happen is a bunch of new tracks also need to come along. Imola, Zolder, Oschersleben, Hockenheim, Bahrain, Dijon Prenois, Donnington, Dubai Autodrome, Fuji Speedway, some others I forget. This game needs alot more places to race and give us more places from all regions that we've never been in Forza. Just don't waste out time with Yas Marina or Sonoma or Long Beach, those places freaking blow!
Long beach is fun though D: but ocerall, yeah I agree. More tracks = more fun.
This is looking great. Love the multiplayer setup - Practice, Qualifying and Race. Dynamic weather too. Can’t wait to play on my pc.
Super hyped about Forza multiplayer with the rotation of series/classes but to have static gt/touring series with weekly track rotations🥰 this is exactly what I want also the sr and dr match-making will make things a lot better after release I will probably not play iRacing anymore 😃and am glad I didn't invest to heavily into it .
Honestly im just hoping the physics and community is there
I love hopping on ACC servers to do fast clean racing
Ive even been considering joining a competitive league
But im worried in motorsport it will be more like upgraded horizion physics and that the players will be more reckless
If it is actually sim level physics with a good community i might have to move over then
Truly was not interested in the slightest for this game before this video, very excited about this
FRR won't be perfect. A computer is never going to get penalties right every time, but the threat of penalties alone (not to mention safety ratings) does 90% of the work to keep racing clean.
And how many times were wrong penalties given by humans?
@@RukaGoldheart precisely
Split screen hurts for me, I was looking forward to playing with friends or my little brother 😖
I hope we can adjust the cockpit as how we want not just one position that you can see the entire dashboard and make you feel your sitting on the back seat
I don't get too hyped for games anymore and also guys NEVER PREORDER.
However this game looks to me like it would smoke gt7 in almost every aspect (mby except car variety).
It would be so good to have a plug and play track racer that pushes the genre forward. Only other game coming out is AC2 in 2024 though^^
Gt7 wheel support and physics are top notch IMO. It is let down by the sorry excuse for a campaign in the form of menu books. Online racing is pretty good but very sweaty. Hopefully forza can deliver a more realistic driving experience than FM7.
Who needs to pre order a game that's on gamepass day one release.
"Pit this lap
Tires are bald"
Are you kidding me?
Lmao😂
Super excited for this
Looks better than other previews I’ve seen (way more actual gameplay).
I am SO very excited for this game!!
Great recap of the featured multilayer!
Man I can’t wait to play this game. Wish it came out next month but I guess I can wait
I wonder with the Fuel usage, if it will now properly account for a Mazda Rotary.
I'm curious about battery harvesting in hybrids too I'm wondering if they'll use that to balance against fuelled cars
13:48 Did they actually say we will have a lobby list for private lobbies? I can't find any external sources of that and just wondering. I found a post on the forum where somebody asked the question but didn't get an answer. The news post doesn't mention it at all either.
The joining lobbies as a group sounds like a great idea but I feel like it could be exploited by rammers using high rated drivers to cause chaos all over the lobby
As in to get lower rated drivers into higher rated lobbies? I dont think the matchmaking will allow that, cus thats the whole premise of the matchmaking
i get that split screen is hard on consoles, but they could open it up to PC players. the ability to turn down settings plus being able to spec PCs much higher than even the Series X means that it should be a viable option for many pc users. i personally really enjoy reformatting the window in split screen games so each person gets their own dedicated monitor.
Split screen on pc would be incredibly niche, no point wasting development time for that, you have to make sacrifices somewhere
If old consoles can have split screen, new consoles should
@@falcongamer58new consoles still have split-screen. Hell, Fortnite has split screen
@@falcongamer58 the problem is the demand for it, 20 years ago splitscreen was required cause online play was laggy and painful, now tho, those issues are gone, there is no downsides to online play, and only upsides when compared to split screen
@richardhobbs7360 no amount of advanced online multi-player can beat the connection and mood of playing with others in the same room
It's been pretty good news so far. I'm hoping they have FoV options like Horizon does on PC. Makes driving cockpit fun. A radar and rear view option would be useful as well. Here is hoping that they get wheel support down. Horizon does a pretty good job of this, but it would be nice to see improvement and the gap between Controller and Wheel closed to within a reasonable distance. The biggest issue being how wheels handle high front downforce compared to sims. In Horizon it sharpens your steering inputs way too much, making fast high DF cars hard to control. also, if the new physics kill RWD power cars (which shouldn't be an issue in spec racing), that helps as well.
It is a shame they don't separate Forza GT out into GT4, GT3/GTE, Prototypes. Would be nice to see that closer reflect the real world. AR12gaming said spec racing was single make, but that didn't seem to be what Chris was saying in the monthly or what they were showing with multiple types of touring cars on the same track. BoP tuned cars with different makes and models may not be as even, but is way more interesting.
I'm cautiously optimistic. I haven't actually played a motorsport entry since like, 2 or 3, but from the sounds of things, it is fixing basically every frustration I had about trying to seriously race in Horizon.
Looks like the devs have been listening to the players on the forza forums and implementating a lot of requested features, I think they are going to have a real hit on their hands, as long as the handling model feels right.
If this plays great I would go as as to say I would pay for quality track and car pack dlc in the future.
Kind of like with assetto corsa competizione, new tracks and cars for around £15 per pack.
No microtransactions whatsoever for fm8, we will get new tracks and cars through in game rewards
It looks very promising, but I am a little bit concerned about the progression system i.e. not being able to use credits to upgrade cars.
I would like a substantial campaign. It doesn’t have to be a story, but I don’t want artificial time wasting in order to pad play hours.
Furthermore, just like GT7 I’m not too pleased that you have to be online to save your career progress.
However, I understand why it’s done these days to mitigate save tampering or exploitation of the system also security involving saves.
That said I’m thus far excited. As long as they stay true to their promise with no micro transactions or credit packs, like Gran Turismo has been doing and add stingy race pay outs in the beginning of GT7
( Thus far I believe they got the memo and reversed this BUT car prices are still outrageous and thus incentivize the in game store (Referencing GT7)
I’m willing to bet that the reason for this is because they can’t build a game that doesn’t have a broken economy 😂 the last several games have had game breaking glitches and this is their way around it… unfortunately this stupid progression system makes its take an insane amount of time to do what we want… which is have fun building cars and building then for different things
Yes this a trash feature.
@@Texas_Road_Warrior I mean you have 2 choices, easy, like Horizon, or total BS and make people quit the game, like GT7, its very, very hard to tread the line between them TBF
Glad they actually took notes from Gran Turismo 7, because the multiplayer racing is great.
Near 13:45 you mention private multiplayer and how customizable it is. Followed by a laundry list of things we cant do. All of the available customizations you mention seem to be nothing compared to having a full grid of friends WITH AI especially since it has no impact on our driver or safety ratings. I honestly cant believe people are excited for this. All of the positives you mention in this video are contingent upon the FRR actually working correctly. So far just from everything I have heard from Chris and this video, Private multiplayer sounds like a complete fail.
I see Mount Panorama in the video. Excellent. Very happy now.
My favorite thing to do in the previous forza was just go into a private lobby and build drag cars, race cars, wheelie cars etc. Then race my friends, I’m hoping I can still do that, without having to grind upgrades for every car.
I think you will need to level up every car to upgrade it. This might not be the game for you. Doesn’t bother me, but I understand if that’s all you like to do.
@@sgtdealer2916 I do like to do online races but a lot of it is just too competitive for me, and I’m obviously going to wait until launch to see if that’s the case and whatnot.
@@sgtdealer2916you know, this new car level system kinda reminds me of the progression of the ps2 gt games. Especially at the start where you have absolutely no money
Was there any mention of racing with friends in private lobbies against AI racers? I may have missed it if it was mentioned
This is what I want to know as well.
One thing I'd like to see is if someone is in your slipstream your lap in not dirty.. because if your leading your not gaining anything..
Cool to see user created lobbies are back.
No split screen is a big L, how is it so hard for games to do this these days?
ngl, this seems like its gonna be a realy fun game
Hopefully they really hammer down the use of wheels by having full customization of controls so we can utilize all the buttons on some of the better wheels out there like the Fanatec brand.
Wow, I'm actually getting excited now
the car customisation better be good too
This is what most sim racing games are lacking. Leading to the community to come up with 3rd party solutions for online racing. I just hope the physics and wheel support will be there.
A lot of this sounds great, practice and quali is awesome. I know the physics are updated so we'll see on release but I wish they would have the option for a f-you physics setting that feels closer to ac/c or pc2. I'm not demanding everyone be forced to at large or even in my races, but there is a real difference between the examples which are not perfect but very close to irl and then jumping to forza its all so spongy in comparison. The added help from the software is counteracted by the -cade of it all.
Great breakdown
As excited as I am for this game, nothing shown is a guarantee. I’m waiting sometime after release to watch the reviews
Always a smart choice!
When you said no split screen, did you mean full stop or just not at launch? It’d suck if it’s the former, it’s a feature I use a lot.
not at launch, same with spectate mode, im sure its one of their top priorities to get the features in the game post launch
@@ESV_Green ah right cool, that's good to know
This really sound like what i was looking for.
Is there a "public" version of the private lobbies? Basically, do we have options to create a lobby and have randoms be able to see and join our rooms we hosted?
How are they still skipping the pit crew tire change animation!! GT have that since GT4!!
Do you know if it’s grid start or rolling start? I hate the rolling starts in GT7
The fuel usage and tires will definitely hinder power build cars, i cant wait for this game
Thank God, I bloody hate pure power builds.
Thats such a good idea to have one event to change every 30 mins & one weekly smart idea, hope they bring it to gt7.
I honestly miss driving my crazy cars in Forza.
kinda bummed about loosing split screen. It was the only way me and my daughter could race head to head with our wheels.
Wait so we will have custom lobbies that everyone can see like in FM4??
Despite no spectator mode at launch, I remain optimistic that this game can have some incredible post-launch updates.
Once PG was done with the 2 expansions, the updates for horizon 5 have been incredible!
I was wondering if anything was mentioned about laps being dirtied by being in the car in front’s slipstream?
I saw you racing around our beloved Mount Panorama at Bathurst yet I have not seen it in any list of CONFIRMED TRACKS... Can I take this video as confirmation that Bathurst will be in the game? I have been holding back on pre-ordering until I know this track will be in the game and would love some confirmation. Thank you.
Just heard that you can set a custom field of view, hope this is true. Love the setup in AMS2.
4:45 Wow! Just like in real life!
I would just like for them to bring back the FM4 settings in private lobbies. We was able to have AIs race with us as well pick the cars and colors of the cars that we wanted a AI to drive. If you supposedly have some pull with the devs tell them we want this feature back ASAP.
Any info about safty car before race and start from stand ,and lot warming up lap ,and flag rules ??
I really hope they put a forced slowdown like gt7 multiplayer for timr penalties rather than add it on at the end of the race cos it never works you just get people corner cutting and outrunning the time penalties
Its about time that sims took a page out of iRacing's book with the multiplayer
Can you build your own private custom races with cars you select as opponents like fm4? Would be even better if you could use cars in your own garage like gt7
Is the steering wheel still turning only 90 degrees to each side?
I swear it would be such a shame for the devs
There will be a lobby list with lobbys controlled by a player ?
That is a huge plus point for me.
Since FM4 I have always missed that.
After the previous few forza games its hard to get excited.
My series x hasn't been turn on since scorn came out
can players form a party to join in featured multiplayer races?
I may actually have to save up for awhile and get an entry level sim rig. Logitech or something. Suggestions are welcome.
Depending on how much those logitech wheels cost you, they are solid and last for ages
A bit more pricey than the g29/920 you can get the thrustmaster tx based wheels. You can buiy a decent loadcell pedal set(more accurate breaking) and the wheels are swappable, F1 wheel, round wheel for drifting but this pushes the price up quickly
You seriously like racing getting a Fanatec ready to race bundle for $400 is a great for getting into DD but after this it gets REALLY expensive
I recently bought a Thrustmaster T248 wheel for £220. Its great, especially the shifters and the pedals.. Got myself a wheel stand pro to put it on as well. Now I am broke.
@@Rich-pj9wv yeah, I’ve been reading good things about the thrustmaster. Especially as an entry level system. I guess I could mount it on my desk for now. So long as it works week with my series x
Works fine on a desk. I got the stand so I can use it in front of my TV@@constablewigglesworth1513
if this runs well on my steam deck I'll be veryyyyy happy
Why does multiplayer give me an iracing type of vibe with the rotation of events. Is there anyone else, or is it just me?
first thing I thought of too, along with safety rating
It is iracing format(the best we have so far)
rotating events with drivers ranked on ELO and Safety Rating
So glad they did this, hopefully clean racers will get clean lobbies now
Looks beautiful. But, in real life, SIMs almost always seem to ignore the physics of aqua planing in wet conditions...
In real life, would expect to be staying well away from those slippy rumble-strips. Wet line only. Going over some of those rivers and lakes would mean being a passenger for -over a second- minutes! 😅
Are we still going to have online drift lobbies and game modes like Motorsport 7 had?
Never really played Multiplayer on Forza Motorsport, Bought GT7 on the PS5 and it's all I play - they see to have it nailed. Sounds like Forza Motorsport is leaning towards the same experience which is great.
if they bring back Fujimi kaido i'd be more than happy
Has anyone heard if private lobbies will be able to have AI cars to help fill the grid?
It seems that Chris Esaki intentionally left it out of the conversation. This should be a red flag for anyone paying attention.
I hope they improve the rewind system, just like the crew motorfest had improved it.
Is the suspension gage a dud, I see tire and brake Temps but spring are sending a signal,
I do like race weekend style lobbies, as in the F1 game. Does create better races. - But I hope this is not for all multiplayer lobbies. Aka there's a track you don't like, then your in it for the next 45 minutes unless you try a new lobby, Also would make it harder to find a race that's about to start. Or if somebody rams you off then you just wasted 30 minutes and your race is over by lap 2. - Personally I like having a new car / track every 10-15 minutes or so with back=to-back racing. And don't need practise. That's what rivals are for. - Still glad this is being added. Just hope there is still the previous style lobbies too.
Man, i love GT, but this is getting my hopes up!