These FM8 Changes Are Bigger Than You Realize | Forza Motorsport AI & Tire Model Update
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ค. 2023
- Creators were invited to another closed door meeting with Turn 10 to learn more about the game, and Yesterday's Forza Monthly expanded on the AI and tire model coming to Forza Motorsport! We really are seeing systems that have been rebuilt from scratch here, and it's got me more excited than anything I've seen yet!
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13 seconds is astonishing. I have to believe that at least some of that is because the new tire grip is fundamentally improved, but holy shit that is a mad difference over just the span of less than 90 seconds. On something like the Nurburgring we're looking at over a minute+ potentially. Wild.
It is insane. It really does not speak highly of the previous drivatar AI.
@@djstuc It's a positive and a negative. Can't it be both?
@@djstucdon’t bother explaining this to these idiots, they lack the brains to understand what you’re saying.
It might be unbeatable AI vs lower difficulty on FM7 to make the new one look better.
@@Boredlime787 The point is that it doesn't matter. We're talking about this NEW game, not the old one. So even if it was true that the old AI sucks, it isn't relevant to this video or this comment.
The new Floss and Hotline Bling dance better be built from the ground up too.
If they aren't, we riot
Your talk about the AI not being able to do partial throttle made me think of something that I've noticed with physics based racing games, something that I only noticed fairly recently, something that I've never heard anyone else mention but that is quite striking once you think about it: I have *never seen an AI opponent drift a car.* Not in any sim game, or even simcade game. Not in Forza Motorsport, not in Horizon, not in GT, not in Dirt, not in Project Cars, or Assetto, or even Grid, etc. I've seen it in Burnout and arcade games like that, but in a game with an actual physics model? Never.
Isn't that a bit weird? There are plenty of real world events which involve two people drifting that you'd think developers could replicate in single player: they could do vs-AI tandems. They could do vs-AI Formula Drift events(we have a lot of FD cars after all). They could do vs-AI touge battles...but no game ever does.
This suggests to me that there's something intractable about calculating opposite lock in real time, about calculating the balancing point when an AI car is drifting. I guess it's just not possible, or it's too computationally expensive, to have to update the precise amount of throttle/steering angle in real time as a corner changes shape and the car drifts through it. I personally would love to be able to tandem with AI drivatars, or compete against AI in FD events so I hope this is something they eventually manage to do.
Yeah you pretty much answered your own comment but it really is just because it's extremely hard to build an AI model that can drift, arcade games can do it and you can do it by fudging the physics for the AI, but building a genuine, sim AI model that can manage loss of traction like that and throttle management and understanding where the car is going to go is probably harder than it seems!
D1GP on PS2 had opponents that would drift!
@@BkSMedia /i hadn't heard of D1GP before and went and looked it up on YT. That's a really cool counter-example, although I reckon they were probably using some tricks to fake the drifting given that it was on PS2. But...maybe not? IDK. Very interesting example, the physics look pretty weighty and genuine.
Most racing games simulate or try to simulate the act of racing. And you really don’t want to drift in a race. So it makes sense the AI doesn’t do it.
@@tooeasy1100 I'm not just saying the AI don't do it, I'm postulating that they _can't_ do it.
Every single sim racing game I can think of models drifting in some way, quite a few of them have formula drift tracks and even drifting events. But none of them have the AI drifting equivalent a racing opponent.
If it were tractable for the AI to calculate drifting lines and how best to feather the throttle and control the wheel in a drift I would expect some developer, somewhere, to have implemented single player, vs-AI drifting. But no-one seems to have done it.
This gives me some more faith in the new title. I was already “hopeful” for the best but expecting disappointment.
The driving does look much smoother and more “confident.”
Yeah, I still have mid expectations for the game but I am more confident that the core handling will be very improved
This seems to be the most controversial motorsport release yet.
Horizon has focused on reaching the broadest market possible, sacrificing deep gameplay for an all you can eat buffet of content.
Motorsport has tried to follow suit but it never worked. Motorsport needs deep compelling gameplay to make doing loops around a track fun. Focusing in on a more serious design philosophy was bound to rustle feathers but I really like the direction they're going.
When they said there were no wheelspins a whole back, it hit me that they finally have a vision again and they're not sacrificing it for quick gimicks
There are no wheelspins in the new fm? Awesome! Where did you hear this?
@@KurumaDesigns the forza monthly before last I think. They were commenting on monetisation but then expanded on it to say that there are no randomised rewards at all
I think its a great idea to remove the wheelspins. I did enjoy them, but you don't need them and they can be funny sometimes. Its the lack of a credit system and having to take hours of grinding to unlock one car that has me worried. There is vision for a deep gameplay experience, and then their is changing the game too much that the original fanbase may be too disliking of it. Not saying that will happen, but I have my concerns.
@@spencermartin838 credits are still a thing. You still buy cars with credits. You just have to unlock upgrades for them, which takes about an hour for most upgrades and around 3 for all apparently.
I think it's a real shame that everyone just maxes out every car as soon as they buy them. What's the point in an upgrade system if it's taken for granted, it's the whole "if everyone is super, no one will be", it makes upgrades boring and ignores how great stock cars actually are to drive.
The only issue I see is how it's incorporated into multiplayer, but seeing as we don't even know how the multiplayer works yet, I think everyone is overreacting a little.
@@existentialselkath1264 I totally agree on that stock cars are really fun to drive, and that the more casual player misses this gameplay by mindlessly throwing all the upgrades onto a car, just because fast car go zoom. this new upgrade philosophy will make drivers drive slower cars more, which I am looking forward to personally very much
I am SO GLAD the AI won't be cheating now I could beat them on unbeatable but I HATED how they ABUSE the straights by having WAY more power out of NOWHERE, I also hate when you are moving up through the field the AI like to MASH the brakes while in front of you and even if you dodge them then they FLOOR it and pull on you like you are standing still, and then there is when they try to drive through you like you are NOT THERE and run you off the course because they are IMMOVEABLE
In canyon duels in NFS Carbon, the closer you were to the leading boss the more likely they were to take late braking points and wider corner exits. They were cornering more aggressively but it increased the odds that they could crash off the mountain. I want to see a system like this again one day.
Nfs carbon was honestly my favorite arcade racer
After watching this video, I'm definitely more excited, that's for sure. The new ai is looking really good, and I can't wait to get my hands on the brand new physics model, Also im really hoping either post launch or before launch they confirm/add new better looking and more realistic forza aero, or give us the option to change the end plates like gt7 :))
I agree! And with more variations of aero should come downforce aerodynamics that vary with the type of aero installed, like instead of just one size fits all why not have a bigger, taller wing that actually provides more downforce than a smaller one, as well as how the airfoil is designed (flat wing surface provides some downforce while another type with curves on both ends can do it more efficiently). That way we can really alternate what wing type to use based on what we're going up against. Same thing with the front, splitters and dive planes (canards) once again with varying styles and sizes.
@hectorzambrano4092 Oh yeah, absolutely 😊😊
The engine sounds seems really crisp too specially with the AI comparison video between new one and FM7
Yes! I'm glad you asked about attacking and defending. Without it racing games feel like hotlapping sessions with obstacles. If you were to take away rubberbanding AI would just do the same lap over and over with some disturbance as different cars fall into their place dictated by pace in the roster. Rubberbanding is the cheaty way of achieving close racing but it does kind of achieve the effect of someone pushing for an overtake or playing safe when they got a healthy lead. How Grid does accidents is over the top. If FM AI can get a balancing act of being at 100% when conditions are right but either going under or over their limit when pressured or too relaxed then I think they'll have the closest game to racing real opponents.
Love your take on it Hoki, glad you waited a day to upload it!❤
With this info I’m getting more excited for this game! Also very happy that they confirmed that cars that don’t belong on an asphalt track won’t be in it = no pickups or arctic trucks, and probably very few if any suvs
I like that too. I like the tactic of differentiating itself from Horizon.
i am happy about that too but no 'odd' cars like the limo or peel is a bit sad
@@vycanismelodis yeah people will be sad that not alot of meme cars will be in the game, but at the same time how they are focusing on all the 'normal' cars makes me happy because that is what most people are using when they are going through the campaign
@@vycanismelodis I understand what you mean but honestly cars like that fit wayyy better into Horizon
This is all fantastic news! I'm still concerned about the car progression and the lack of a credit system like every previous Forza game has had. But this is great news and hopefully will help take the edge off of that frustration.
The credit system is still there, just that you won't earn them as quickly/won't use them for upgrades anymore. Credits are just there to buy cars so you are no longer wasting 50-100k credits on upgrades for a car that you'll use once and never again.
The credit system is still there to buy cars, but now you will need to drive your new car to upgrade.
@@valkeitos I wouldn't call it wasting. Plus, one of the greatest things about Forza is the ability to do what you want with your cars. This will undermine that goal by making it necessary to put tons of time into playing before you can upgrade your car. I miss the freedom of the old game's system. I hope Horizon does not adopt this system as well. Either way, we'll see how the community as a whole likes it when it comes out.
play a different mode if you dont like something is handled in the one they have mostly talked about so far
This was the best monthly by far for the new forza Motorsport
Yeah this definitely has me a bit more excited now. Nothing up to this point has made me confident that this was going to be the true step up that was needed. More stuff like this
Very convinced by what they had revealed so far. And I totally agree with the AI machine learning stuff and all that, over the years I've always wondered why the AI was sort of annoying to get around at times, but the way the "lines" were explained and the probability of mistakes got me thinking for the best.
Awesome info dude, 😎👍👍
This is great. I wasn't really looking forward to the game because I've been let down time after time with Forza Motorsport, but this has really got me excited again.
Thanks for breaking this down! I was also much more excited about this game after that Forza monthly
I watched slaps video today and initially was let down because of the lack of drifting focus at the launch. But... After the video of the ai improvement and proof of tire upgrades kind of blew my mind. Ill have to see more before deciding to pick it up
Dirfting is my main focus in racing games so that disappoints me too. I love Assetto, but I hope they don't wait too long to add in more drift features; cars obviously, but hopefully some touges, and at least one or two FD courses. Given all the FD cars in Forza it's bizarre that there hasn't been anything with proper clipping points, a track that's built for that kind of thing.
BTW, something that I've only noticed recently(and I was wondering if anyone can think of a counter-example, so if I'm missing something obvious tell me): I have never seen sim/simcade AI...drift. I've never seen AI intentionally lose traction and find that opposite lock sweetspot, and maintain it. Which is a bit odd, no? There are so many potential single-player events that would be so much fun with an AI drift opponent: tandems, touge battles, FD events, etc.
So unless anyone can think of a counter-example I'm guessing that it's just too complicated for AI to simulate in-game, because of how constantly the AI would have to update its handling. Driving in a straight line and braking at corners is tractable for the AI I guess, but drifting apparently isn't.
Not a red flag for me, as long as you can go into free play and drift I’ll be fine. Drag racing though, I’m not sure.
If you like drifting play forza horizon
@@ransomsdpNo
THIS ISN'T A DRIFTING GAME AND THERE IS MUCH MORE TO DRIVING AND RACING A CAR THAN DRIFTING....They Have stated Now about 3,762 times that their Main Focus from the Start has been Circuit Racing and it will continue to be the Main Focus going Forward!
I agree. I was excited for the new Motorsport cuz I’ve done almost everything in horizon and I didn’t play the last Motorsport. It with the last few updates about the new game it has me even more excited that this game might not just be “another Motorsport” game and be something even better
Feeling more hopeful with this revelation, thanks for the coverage
Pretty surprising to hear the game will supposedly be easier to drive. I already thought FM7 made things quite easy compared to 5 and 6. I actually preferred that as I didn't like how punishing those older games could be. Especially the lift-off oversteer in 5. But at the same time I felt like maybe they made things just a tad too easy. I didn't expect they would go a step even further in that direction.
Easier to drive does not mean easier to hit the limit. If a car is easier to drive it just means you have more room to push to reach the limit, so to be competitive it can actually be more difficult.
It doesn't feel very good on wheel, especially rwd cars
@@EXOTIICxSWAGGProbably why they chose a car which was difficult to drive in FM7 for the wheel demo in Forza Monthly to demonstrate how things have changed.
@@TheUKMikey hell yeah, car looks smooth as hell on the wheel and Chris even said he's not that great. I'm excited for FM & Starfield this year
Yeah, but any gran can take a GT3 at 65% pace and still be in control without much experience if eyesight is alright. If you acn see where you're going, you cannot lose it, the cars are glued, until you go over 90%, where your ability to read the road will challenge the tyres and movement becomes lots more unpredictable.
I wish they would make the damn driving UI more "motorsport" a la Gran Turismo, instead of the horizon version with literally no useful info for a non-arcade racing game
This sounds promising. I'm still a little bit concerned though, there are a lot of features that seem like "wont be at launch but will be added" i just don't want another halo infinite moment where we have to wait years for things that should've been day 1.
LOL, it's not like drag and drift were a substantial part of previous FM games and I think the majority of players won't miss them at launch. I'm pretty sure there'll be a lot of game to play on day one.
@@TheUKMikey yeah I agree, I just don't want to get let down. No matter what I'm still gonna play the game just for the split screen and rivals alone.
Makes live for speed tire model even that much more impressive from 20 years ago.
Im really excited about the changes but why don't they show if the steering wheel now rotates at least 360 degrees in the cockpit view
Probably going to come up when they go into more detail about the wheel support and whatnot.
Yeah. I suppose because there is no full 360 degrees?
@@jones95jb they might add it later, honestly. The game is still not done yet.
Hey Hoki, great video and I agree totally about the great features and updates coming. I was somewhat concerned to hear Chris Esaki in the Forza Monthly talk about how the focus of Forza Motorsport on circuit racing leaves features (drift HUD, Drag Race gamemode) and tracks (fake tracks assuming Fujimi Kaido) will not be in at launch. I understand these things may be included in future DLC but it would be nice to hear some assurance that the top community voted features, cars, and tracks will be on a roadmap for inclusion in the game after launch. I've loved everything I've seen so far with the physics and career mode changes but content concerns me. I understand not wanting to dilute Motorsport with Horizon elements but the peak for many was Forza Motorsport 4 which covered many areas of interest in the car community without compromising the soul of motorsport. Wondering your thoughts if you have a chance? Thank you!
These look like some very interesting changes. I’m excited I cannot wait. I hope it’s good.
A significant reason why PI balance had issues was because they were trying to balance all cars to a single track. For example some old cars you could make super OP on short tracks by keeping the stock 4 speed transmission. The PI would underrate the car because you don't have a good top speed. But on tracks without long straights it doesn't matter.
Also, if you balance handling cars, power cars, and cars with a mix of power and handling to have the same pace at an average track; then as soon as you go to a slightly higher speed track the power car gets the advantage over the other cars. And as soon as you go to a slightly shorter track the handling car gets an advantage. This means that there was an incentive to either only upgrade power or only upgrade handling.
I am hoping they have done something to alleviate this issue, like having 3 PI scores for 3 track types and then taking the highest PI score and giving it to the car. I also hope you are right that the improved AI has improved the PI system significantly.
yea, I loved everything they showed us in the latest Forza Monthly, but rubber banding for me wasn't as frustrating as FM7 AI just not respecting you on track. While they said it will be improved in future, I really hope they have at least somewhat improved it on release. We all know how in certain parts of track AI just likes to be on right/left side even if you are side by side - they will just pretend you are not there. Like going into straight at spa after eau rouge (and what ever the name was of next bit) - they gonna move to the left no matter what.
And when you were breaking late or early before a corner the ai cars would just bump into each other. Very strange.
I have to say, im excited. Cant wait to use this with a wheel. My only wish is that they could have added VR.
I’m super exited, the game looks incredible ❤️❤️❤️
the biggest turn off for me is when I see different categories (GT3, prototypes, IMSA, cup cars etc) race each other... like, there is a reason if cars in a specific competition have similar specs, seeing different categories of cars race each other looks kinda "arcadish" and "unrealistic" for me, it does make sense in a track day scenario but it is a bad idea for racing, give us category-based competitions, give us a GT3 championship, a prototype championship, a touring car championship etc.
having cars the same category race each other makes better racing
just my two cents
You ever heard of the 24 hours of Le Mans ? Theese guys had 4 different class of cars racing this year, it's pretty stupid if I were to follow your logic.
@@mintgoldheart6126 in the wec they just have three categories (lmph, lmp2, gt3) that use separate standings and don't race each other, if a lmph car is passing through the slower cars they have to let it through
@@vinsthymia And what's wrong with Forza trying to replicate that experience?
@@mintgoldheart6126 it is literally not trying to replicate that, because there is only one overall leaderboard and it is not multi-class racing, forza DOES NOT promote multu-class racing, it just picks cars that have nothing to do with each other and tries to rack them up with the PI system, but it is not multi-class racing, the cars are not even from the same era
This is looking more and more promising
To be honest I lost interest in forza motorsport after the release of the promotional videos but this sounds very promising. It might be a great game to play outside of iRacing and assetto corsa for some fun racing offline.
Please, stop comparing Forza Motorsport to Assetto or iracing.
@@mintgoldheart6126 Huh? I'm not comparing... I'm saying it will be a nice change of pace from my online racing with assetto corsa and iRacing. Not expecting Forza to match Asseto corsa but Its always nice to get a new racing game to play
I like the sound of this AI based PI system, which comes with an improved AI which should hopefully help mitigate broken car builds (e.g. catfish camaro circa FM6/FM7, ek9 civic for FWD cars circa every FM, almost every Porsche being underpowered for its respective class circa FM6/7). The PI scaling is supposed to be the balancing act to keep races competitive, not a set of restriction meant to keep one particular kind of car as the glaringly obvious choice to be competitive (a great example is the 2018 CTR in FH5. its ridiculous as a FWD in A class. in fact, all of the civics are simply because of how much top end they can achieve in comparison to all other FWD cars. Its like wind resistance does not exist for them.
It sounds promising, the only issue i still see is meta tuning, depending on how good the base setup is there might still be some inaccuracies, but it should be way less of an issue.
@@rarensmann9136 i think that should stay, but in a way to help bring everybody's tuning skills up to par and to even out the tuning meta disparity, there should also be a "tuning school" or a series of main story missions where they show you not only the purpose of tuning, but also have a plethora of examples of what doing different things to your tune can do. End goal being to put together a build and tune it to completion AND have it complete a series of "test" (or easier versions of goals to hit from their main campaign)
E.G. *script* Hey, looks like you just finished your upgrades, time to take it around the track. But btw, one of our rookie mechanic had a look at your car. Did some tweaks himself. Wants to know what you think.
Fast forward to you racing in a car that OBVIOUSLY has the sway bars too stiff/ride height too high or low/tire pressure too low or high.
*Script* yea, so looks like our rookie mechanic needs more time in the classroom. In the mean time, let go over your tune to see if we cant make your car easier to drive.
*series of windows asking you to perform tasks to open up the telemetry, what on the telemetry to look at, and what to adjust to give desired results along with what to expect. (tires are too hot after cornering causing you to not only lose grip, but also affects tires wear. Solution, decrease tire pressure)
This alone can be about 5 hours of campaign missions. And even then, its only touching the surface of learning to tune. I been playing since FM2 days back in 2006. I am STILL learning how to tune properly.
I have high hopes! I really hope that at least a small part of all these cool improvements will go to the new Forza Horison and it will be a revolution!
Dude I didn't even think about what you're saying about PI. That is friggin huge and will simply make the game much better and more representative in general.
The icing on the cake would literally be a Forza version of GT7’s aero customisation and then I’m sold.
I've been trying to go in blind to this game the ai sounds amazing I hope there are fuel and tire wear and a campaign similar to the original grid as well as damage model would be amazing
Can't wait for next monthly. Wheel support, and FFB (hopefully custom FOV) is simply top importance. Pozdro666
I actually cant wait for the open track days 👀
Looks extremely promising, just hoping now that it is not gonna flop like every other AAA game title in the past 3 years lol
MR2 fans? Oh hey, that's me!
Loving the work Turn10 are doing with FM it kind of sounds like they want to go for pc players. As a fan of the FM games I am looking forward to playing this game on my Rog Ally
This will all be very cool, but I'm still wanting support for VR headsets. We don't need special modes for it or anything. JUST the ability to drive the car in a headset will be sufficient. And I know for certain that is not a super difficult thing to implement
i be hyped
The difference between the AI in FM and FM7 is like comparing a competent wheel user and Very Easy AI. I can't wait to see how it competes against real players and other AI. Especially T1 at Nurburgring, Monza and Spa.
I wonder if these better driver lines off ai will make the pi system more balanced
it will most deferentially, if what they say is true, the ai cant take advantage of trail breaking and stuff in fm7 so some cars are way better when using those things making them a meta car, now they can partially break which should fix it.
You have NO Idea how happy I am that the AI in FM 8 no longer rubber bands! No more hopeless races where the 1st, 2nd and 3rd placed racers pull away and never return 😐😐
That's not what rubber banding is, is it?
@@stefans4562 rubber banding mean the ai hacks to catch up to you or slows down to match your pace when your losing to make races feel closer. sometimes they do straight up cheat driving cars faster than physically possible.
Yup, they're more like invisible springs than rubber bands
@@TheUKMikey yeah, very good way to simplify it.
i am actually getting somewhat hopeful for FM. My main frustrations in FM7 seem the main focus to fix in FM. Still bit skeptical for both AI and tire fixes till i play but some worries have lessened
Looking forward to using my wheel in this game. My G923 had truforce. Will FM have it? possibly
Hoki do you know anything about how ABS and TCS systems work in for example GT3 cars? Will they have individual settings like ABS 0-8 like in AC, ACC, GT7, iRacing or just simple game wide toggle on or off like in all other previous FM titles?
No step adjustment for ABS/TCS sadly :/
They've both been improved (to be faster) but its still just an on/off toggle
@@HokiHoshi ngl that's ultra lame but thanks for answering.
@@catvideoenjoyer Honestly, they could probably introduce that later on. Might be a good suggestion tbh
Looking better every day. Not long now.
I sure have high hopes for new AI. Especially after atrocity which was FH5 AI, so bad it made me no longer race in SP.
BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP!
Just bulit a Ryzen AM5 system with this release in mind 👊
I cant wait personally
Hoki: AI differences
Me: They replaced the wooden bridge 🫤
The main purpose for the driving line in current games are to tell when to break on average
They just need to bring back the tire models from FM3, taking 1½ to 2 laps to actually get your tires hot instead of all being hot by turn 1
FM3 and FM4 has the correct tire heating physics
Sounds like it is heading in the right direction. Just hoping they learn off GT7 for the multiplayer (both the good and bad things!)
I have been waiting for this exact video since announcement to work out if I was going to buy or not. I hear a lot of doom/gloom over the state of gaming and about forza specifically but the specifics regarding AI machinelearning, lack of rubberbanding and the improved tyre model makes this sound like the game I have been waiting for since I was a kid playing fm2 and wished PI made sense
Thing is although i want to believe something is built from the ground up. Pretty much everything they have showed so far in previous videos that were claimed to be built from the ground up very obviously wasnt, so honestly im not trusting anythign until the game is out and i see it with my own eyes. I probably will get this game on a sale tbh because i still think it looks fairly good, just alot of lies in the marketing so far
Yeah well it’s just marketing. I’m pretty sure it’s on a new engine and most of the assets are all new. Car models probably just retextured/updated. Physics are probably the same physics but completely overhauled.
I Mean how have they Lied???? Did you WATCH THE VIDEO....??? THE AI JUST DID A LAP 13 SECONDS FASTER IN THE TIME FRAME OF 90 SECONDS..... IMAGINE THAT ON NURBURGRING.... YOUR WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT OVER 75-90 SECONDS FASTER AND I'M SURE THAT'S NOT EVEN ON THE UNBEATABLE DIFFICULTY.....IF THAT ISN'T COMPLETELY REBUILT FROM THE GROUND UP THAN I DUNNO WHAT IS! MOST OF THE PLAYERS THAT PLAY FH5 IF THEY WERE TO PLAY 24hrs A DAY for THE ENTIRE YEAR ...Still couldn't make An Improvement in their Lap Times that Large.....I think People just need, want & look for a reason to complain and be negative... It's like the old saying goes PERSPECTIVE DRIVES PERFORMANCE EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK..... CHANGE ONE'S PERSPECTIVE AND WATCH THE PERFORMANCE CHANGE!
@@rileyvosper411 I think its the same engine, it looks like it and if the engine was different they wouldnt have shut up about it lmao. And idk as for the car models, alot and i mean alot of car models in Forza games are old so they just look out of place or generally have the wrong shape even. The physics and AI looks good so far though, apart from that most things feel the same to me even though sound, customization etc is apparently rebuilt from the ground up lol
@@TheoF1 confirmed new engine, private q and a said they ported fm7 to the new engine for the same physics in ai comparison. So is new engine :)
@@rileyvosper411 Thats good news tbh. Hopefully Motorsport has a way higher development ceiling now with a new engine
seems all nice and good.
However I miss the following things:
- Fujimi Kaido
- The driver model animation being able to really steer instead of that low angle stteering bs#
- real pit stops
As long as the cars don’t feel like a piece of butter on the road anymore, I will give it a try.
Whilst having the AI use the same physics as the player sounds great in theory it comes with the added drawback that it is a huge CPU resource hog as the game needs to calculate physics for not just 1 driver but ever car in the race. GT Sophy used the same thing along with it's nueral network to drive and as result the player is limited to just 4 AI cars on track because that's all the PS5 system could handle so would like to hear more on how they are getting around the resource limitation.
The difficulty slider could just be "how many laps you want your AI trained ?" now. I mean 26000 lap is good for finding the best line but what about the brake lock that happened turn 9 on try 8753 ? They could even leverage the AI core baked in some GPU/SoC to make the AI continue adaptating to the new parameter we create as a human player on the track on long endurance race.
My question is could that simulate a pressure system ? Like dinamically change the AI training level the longer and closer you stay ? Or maybe fatigue, like the AI having to "cool down" after being agressive for too long (or else make it more prone to errors)
Tire grip is one thing, speed is another. In the straights fm7 was around 10mph slower at the top speed. That is also caused by late accelaration exiting the corner.
I mean it's more like an AI driver improvement tahn just tire model.
Did they say anything about triple monitor support ? Wheel support later ?
I can’t wait for it - hope the game will feel great on wheel and at least on par with GT7, if not much better. AI also looks great and hope it’ll work for all tracks - GT7 is still getting there with Sophy
Between this and Sophy I'm just glad racing games are finally getting closer to the point where racing AI can feel like racing real people. Looks like all these advancements in AI technology will be huge for the gaming industry going forward
The bare minimum would be to considerably beat GT7.
@@mintgoldheart6126 GT7 is PS4 game as well which doesn't have the CPU for something like the advanced tire model so that's a definite W and AI. The rest we'll have to see
@@juraj_b I'm not just talking about the handling and AI I'm talking about the single player content and replayability
@mintgoldheart6126 I hope this game is good. Because polyphony doesn't deserve people to be loyal to it. Gt7 is a joke to be honest.
I really need a track list for this game so i can make a decision
This all well and good but can the game handle well on older pcs?
The only thing TRULY missing is the return of Fujimi Kaido.
I will buy a Series X JUST to play this new Forza on that track. I'm not completely sold on the new one yet, but with the release creeping closer and new info coming out, maybe they'll surprise us with the track reveal
There is a decent chance it will be added because forza put up a community voting for some things and the top 2 were fujimi kaido and 180+. Steering. Idk if they will actually add the votes but I don’t see why they would make a vote if they wouldn’t add.
I was immediately excited at the prospect of the A.I. no longer relying on rubber-banding when I first heard about it. I was just tired of feeling as though I had no real control over my wins and losses at times (especially when your Drivatar data gets stale and goes haywire). I too often felt that the game was letting me win at the end of a race or screwing me over for the entirety of a race. I just want the A.I. to follow the same rules and ultimately have the same limitations as human players within reason, and I want it to drive believable. It seems like we're getting that going forward.
On the subject of the tire model updating at 360 fps, I wonder whether it's feasible for future Forza games in general to run certain aspects of the simulation (or the physics in general) at higher refresh rates. With the idea that more current-gen games will fail to offer 60 fps modes, I'm curious as to whether having physics update at higher rates would at least make things feel more responsive.
I remember playing Enemy Territory: Quake Wars on PC, and the game just felt terrible, as its physics model was locked at something along the lines of 30 fps. I could get higher frame rates, but the game never felt smoother until I unlocked the physics update rate using the game's console. I wonder if running the physics at 60+ fps with the graphics at 30 fps would improve things much.
(I'm aware FM8 is at least 60 fps, by the way.)
Im impressed with everything they have shown so far. The AI and physics definitely look better than FM7.
There are only a handful of things that I want more than for new Forza Motorsport to be great. Already bought Xbox SX for it.
Really hoping the multiplayer has a competitive ranked system so we can have more enjoyable, clean races
there will be driver and safety ratings, so I can imagine that they will be taken into account when matchmaking, not just as a medal kinda thing.
Do you play FM7 with a controller or wheel?
Well i see where the ai team went. Because in fh5 there was maybe one guy making all the work for those drivatars
9:26 i wonder how big of an impact that is gonna do on performance. since thats pretty big leap on physics and will need way more power for accurate calculating
12:26 dam. well i guess imma hold off and follow the updates until they add Drifting. its pretty much the only reason i would get FM8 xD
No rubber banding is so huge for me lmao
I need that 31 silhouette in horizon 😪🤤
Woah, woah, woah, 6:28, "attacking and defending won't be in at launch" but it's "possible" they're going to patch that in later??
was already looking forward to it (a forza motorsport, on PC, without toyota shenanigans yay) but the AI and Tire changes make me even more excited.
hope the AI can give a real challenge, if it's clean and fast well then what do I need multiplayer for, hope that I get in to a lobby with people who are equally or higher skilled in a car that is about even but instead find 3-4 respectable people 3-4 people you hope cannot catch you cause they will attempt murder, and 3-4 people who just don't know any better and you shouldn't blame them for it...but you do....(everybody hit the brakes...how is that not a hint at what you should probably do)
Tyre heat doesnt improve handling predictability for casual players… it will just leave them confused.
If the UI for tyre heat is one that goes from blue to green to red. I think a casual will quickly understand what is happening. Unless they haven't gotten out of kindergarten.
“The ai is built from the ground up” they said. “It’s built from the ground up!” They said…
Let's just hope they go back to the original MASSIVE career mode structure.
And have some City Circuits.
Otherwise it's just a polish FM7.
Ok but is there 180 degree turn animation?
Hopefully the advancements in the AI mean they're actually capable of multi-class racing.
Nothing like chasing down a drivatar in FM7 for an entire lap then passing them like nothing because they came upon a slower car and just... slowed down to fall into the draft.
What about pitstops and qualifyings?
Will it support triple monitors on pc?
I really hope these AI changes turn out well. And I REALLY hope they make it into the next Horizon game.
It is hard to express just how much i despise the current AI in FH5. Some races they are the worlds biggest pushover, while others they literally score record-breaking times multiple seconds above 1st place leaderboards.
The lack of consistency kills it for me. Its impossible to know if my car is good when the AI are all over the place.
i don't do drag or drift racing at all in forza but they could at least admit they're rushing the release
Would it be better to have a wheel or a controller and which is more fun to use?
If you have a wheel, wheel, playing games on wheels with force feedback is just amazing. Fh5 on wheel is so fun.
@@rileyvosper411 thanks for that I’ve been wondering if I should get one
Forget all the other things coming to FM8, what is a car/model/variant YOU, HokiHishi, want to see in the game that hasn't been announced yet?
I just want a lot of touring cars 😄 JTCC, DTM, TCR, whatever! If it's a real to-spec touring car, I want it!
Now that i think about it, there was indeed a lack of true touring car championship cars. Great anawer and i wholeheartly agree!
"16 times the detail. It just works."
Well it was already easy to drive in FM7
I'm curious if the new Gran Turismo movie will drive people towards buying the new Forza Motorsport 8 when it releases.
What if the AI drivatars used vehicles that the actual player had created? That would allow the ai to mimic the build style and therefore the driving style without having to actually look at how the player maneuvers around the track