I love the (borderline) hypocrisy of these people. Like they believe women and men should be allowed to show skin and be proud of their bodies. But when someone is mildly considered attractive or "sexualized" they demean or "fix" them. Pretty sure skinny and sexually appealing people still have feelings sis.
Thank you for your input dude. I handy really stoped to think about that. It is a bit odd that they have that message yet procede to try and talk about how wrong it is when someone else does it. Thank you for watching my video and engaging with it!
I actually understand what you mean. I was tempted to bring that up but I decided not to since it doesn’t really fall into place with the theme of the video. Nonetheless I was a bit caught off guard.
And they piled loads of clothes onto her design, which is actually counterproductive as Momo’s Quirk relies on her skin being exposed so that her powers work properly. This was all explained in the series. It makes about as much sense as changing Mina’s skin colour.
甘い子猫 I also believe changing any characters race is stupid. But changing some from black to white has much different significance than changing someone from white to black due to the history of racism and oppression POC have experienced. White people have not experienced that racism and oppression. We can’t remove these things from context and use it to back up the points you are as they are not contextually comparable
Dusky Hare I definitely understand that but changing the skin color and saying you “fixed it” is so disgusting no matter What race you changed them to!
sage g at the end of the day it’s a character that someone created because it’s what they like and what they envisioned. I just feel like it’s rude for someone to take it up on themselves to “fix” it
The big problem with the person who changed momo for me is not only the ethnicity change (and I’m black myself) but they must not have watched the anime because her quirk (or superpower) relies on how much skin is exposed.
Crunchy I still find it wrong to “fix” a character by changing their skin color, aswell as just changing skin color or weight on a character bad. It takes away its characteristic and I’d hate if someone took my character made them black and skinny opinases to white and chubby.
Angelic Syndrome yeah it’s just wierd to change someone’s character design because “it’s not right to them” it’s not your character to change, it’s the creators choice
Yeah. Her Quirk specifically relies on her skin being exposed so that she can create objects with as little hindrances as possible. It’s like she said, her Quirk uses the body fat to create the materials. So why would you cover her up when she needs her skin to be exposed in order for her Quirk to function properly? That’s like changing Mina’s skin colour.
Yeah, she im fact needs access to areas with allot of body fat. However, her costume didn't needs to be designed in this way. I think the biggest problem with the way people usual redesign Momo's costume is that they don't care about her personality at all. From what I've seen most od the redesigns are just COVER OF THOSE NASTY BOOBIES. I like Momo's design because it makes her look mature and adult, not because I like it when girls have their titts all out. I have seen alot od Momo redesigns and most od the are just kinda... plain. Like most of them look like simple tracksuits that give her sporty energy that doesn't match her character.The most comnon things I've seen are 1) having her costume be made out od the same things as her hair like Lemilion's is (now corect me if I'm wrong but from where did we even get the prof that the her crearions can't go throw her hair, or that it's just that simple to create clothes out of somenodys hair that they can just do that for ever, studen't even tho there's a simpler solution) and 2) zippers (whitch I always found silly sence it takes time to unzipp the costume so she can use creation and just imagine her zipper being stuck at the worst posible situation). It's fine if you don't like the design and want to make it suit your taste more or heck you just felt like it, but labeling the creator as a deviant because od your personal feeling over the fictional character is just an astronomical level of brain damaged (not all of artists do this but a good chunk od them do). I don't see a single reason why people who have this wonderful character full of potential and the best they could do is some generic and plain design that tells us nothing about her feel entitled enough to tell Horikoshi or anyone to exspres their crativity and ideas.
I seriously don't understand a lot of people's passion for changing characters' skin-tones, especially if they're from Japanese media. If they're from an anime, they're most likely Asian, and therefore, already POC. Despite this, somehow people see right through that and make them dark-skinned and use the excuse 'not all Japanese people are pale', but this character you changed the skin-tone of was clearly a pale Japanese character...
It doesn’t come down to where you are from for your skin tone. You could be African and be pale. You could be Mexican and be black. And as you said. That’s how the character was originally created
More often than not the bigger issue is that even when you try and explain something often times people will reject the idea simply because it contradicts what they have thought for a long time. It’s hard to break habits.
The only time I can get behind “fixing” characters is when the characters are actually offensive, like those really distasteful superheroes marvel made a while back. Like if you’re unapologetically making a stereotype of a character unironically, that shouldn’t be tolerated.
I feel like when for example when South Park does something offensive there is something behind it. Like it’s being story driver, not being offensive just because of it. But I might be wrong. I haven watched South Park in soooo long xD.
i dont mind ppl changing characters but saying its "fixed" is just dumb. It kind of just sounds like the person "fixing" it is looking down on the original artist. If the character is just changed and the artist is like "here's my version" without crapping on the original artist, then thats fine.
That’s actually a really good way too put it, because yes by saying they’re fixing it they are putting down the artist. If you want to change it it’s fine, but please don’t “fix it”
I can kinda accept the MHA thing because in the manga, she is almost like that. Also, the character's Asian so there really is no excuse for the skin-changing.
It's ok to draw a character with different clothes and shit, but completly changing the character and saying "I fixed It" is bs. What bugs me is that, those people always say "women should wear what they want", but if they see a *_fictional_* character considered attractive with short clothes they lose their minds. And then, sometimes they respond with "but they're 15!". while I can understand that if it's full on nsfw or fetish shit, I'm still on the "short clothing" topic (Also, edit, kids shouldn't really be seen as "sexual" in any clothing. For example, it's not illegal for them to wear beach clothing if they're on the beach. If you think them wearing that is sexy and should be covered up, I personally think your kinda weird). Well, I'm sorry to be the first person to tell you that, but they don't exist. If you really cared about minors being sexualized, there's somenthing called real life, where real kids actually suffer with those problems. You tweeting about human rights of fictional characters isn't helping any of them, just thought you'd like to know that. Also, the ones who get mad about human anatomy. Again, they don't exist. They're an image, a drawing, not a person. "Where are her organs?" Well, you should know that she doesn't actually need space for those. And no she doesn't have back pain, she ain't real, she can't feel those. Artists don't need to draw their character the way you want to. Grow up. Realism is not the key for good character desing. It can look good, but people don't necessary need to a have a realistic style and realistic characters. Of course, there *_is_* a difference between style and straight up bad art from people who refuse to learn, but I think this comment is alredy long enough to explain a few points, and the difference between those is easy to see but not so easy to explain
This comment is amazing. Is exactly the kind of conversation I was hoping for when I made this video. I agree dude, if people want to change the hairstyle of a character or their clothing go for it I’ve done it before but i still try to stick as close as possible to how they were originally created. Also I hadn’t thought about that point, they are fictional characters so they don’t need to be super anatomically correct. I really appreciate your comment and I hope you have a fantastic day!
I honestly don’t get these people who “fix” characters and claim that the company should hire them. There’s such a thing as redesigning a character and still being polite (see LavenderTowne), but this kind of fixer is just so arrogant and narcissistic I don’t even know what to say. And for these people who are redesigning MHA characters: please stop. It’s just rude. Horikoshi has explained why Momo has such an exposing outfit: her Quirk relies on her skin being exposed so that it can work properly. Otherwise, a range of problems could occur if she was covered up. Doing that makes about as much sense as white/blackwashing Mina Ashido. It makes no sense at all.
I don't understand the yandere simulator one, she was already covered up well and her skin color was like this because she's Japanese and yet they changed it to yellow for some reason
If SJW’s put the time and energy into productive things that they put into being angry and tearing people down, not only would their community be incredibly valuable, but the world itself would probably look pretty differently. Instead of “correcting” people’s art and stories, make your own. If you think there is no good content in the world, instead of getting your emotional support hate squad together to insult others, work together to make something you deem good. Do something genuinely productive with that self-entitled anger. Good video, my friend.
Oh trust me dude, I remember hearing about it all over the place and it seemed like a never ending battle between both sides. Good thing it’s finally died off (sort of)
I get where you’re coming from, however her quirk takes lipids, fat, and rearranges it in a molecular level to create things. With how often she’s using her quirk for both training and field work it’s a miracle she isn’t just bones. As for her skin color, I was never able to find exact numbers however I have heard plenty of stories of POC that have lived in Japan and how surprised people are to see them meaning they are predominantly light skin colored.
How dare someone touch Val her design is great!!1!!1!!! Nah but like I wanna mention that girl characters are often sexualized and that sorta sucks but in a game like skullgirls like all the characters are sexualized, Beo is the CEO of sexy. My fix for this is to make all (of age) characters sexy! There we go problem solved. Also I understand slightly changing skin tone for the sake of contrast but like race swapping is weird to me. White washing characters is a thing that happens offent and it's a problem, I mean have you seen minecraft steve??? He is so white washed in all the merch it upsets me greatly. But anyways in that drawing of nessa it was more of a watered down/pastel pallet so it makes sense for all of her colours to be lighter (her hair wasn't as dark as the og too). I get why people get upset over that but when it's like a filter and all the colours and not just the skin colour it's a bit weird to me.
geek draws I wanted to bring up white washing and how a lot of people see it as a problem but wouldn’t what they did to mono be considered something like white washing? What would we even call it? Black washing?
@@ChaoticToons a lot of artists or editors do it to make a more "diverse" spin on characters but at the end of the day it's still race swapping. I dont consider it as bad as someone whitewashing a character because there's a abundance of white representation in media, but it's still not something I wanna really see or wanna do. Someone that actually dose it well is a artist called destiny moon on tumblr, she has a version of hatsune miku called hatsune Mina (or something I forgot ^^') and it's just like black hatsune miku. Difference is that she treats Mina as a "parody" character or fan character unlike other artists that treat black edits like it should be cannon. At the end of the day I don't like race swapping.
Personally, I don't like it when people change the race/ethnicity of Japanese characters or any characters for that matter. It's the equivalent of taking a bucket tool in a drawing program, making the skin brown/tan, and calling it innovative. I think as black people if we ever want to see change we need to support other black creators and stop begging other races to do that for us.
sexualising or generally making character designs sexy is perfectly fine unless they're underage. It really isn't a big deal- many REAL woman go out of their way to look sexy so why not? It's stupid
@@ChaoticToons totally, people who go out of their way to cover up characters come off as the ones who don't actually respect woman and their choices to dress however they want without being seen in a negative light
Let me start of by saying. You’re my favorite type of commenter. You engage with both the video and with my little community and I greatly appreciate that! I completely get what you’re saying, culturally everyone is different. The same way how it’s socially acceptable in Mexico to drink once you’re 16 but 21 in the US. It does seem quite dumb and wrong to assume the way we live our life’s is the way everyone else does. I really appreciate the information you provided and I’ll ensure to look into it so I can better be educated.
As someone who isn't traditionally pretty (aka I'm overweight lol), if I or a fictional character of similar proportions show our cellulite they'd be like "YAASSSS QUEEN EMBRACE IT" but if a traditionally beautiful woman or character did it it's suddenly like it's a war crime. Like please let all weights embrace themselves, that includes average and healthy weights.
I’m glad to hear your side of the story. Also there’s no need for you to not call yourself traditionally pretty because of weight. Everyone is beautiful in their own way and I am sure that so are you! Thank you for engaging with my content.
imo id let people redesign characters the way they want as long as its not offensive, if they want to redesign it for what they’d personally do, go ahead!!! like i redesigned ibuki from danganronpa but with ripped leggings under her skirt, because personally i wanted to design her how i usually design characters and since shes a very jumpy and hyper person i thought it’d be practical, personally i think people can redesign characters different races if they want as long as they arent saying “ THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY!! “ like i draw sayori from ddlc but with a more tan skin tone since i thought it looked nice with the rest of her colors. i dunno just how i feel. i dont agree with people saying “ REDESIGNED CHARACTER! THEY ARE BROWN NOW, ITS FIXED “ and neither do i agree with completely white washing. idk i thought id just write my opinion!!!
Thank you for telling me your opinion. As I’ve mentioned in other comments this is the kind of conversation I want people to engage with. I don’t have an issue with people redesigning characters, that’s not the problem in itself. The problem is when they’re being “righteous and fixing the character” that’s a big no no for me.
Ok so, I'm against whitewhasers (and blackwashers too) who claim they are fixing the character, but that Nessa drawing clearly wasn't that. I think they took her palette and made it pastel, that's why her skin looks lighter.
In my opinion, anyone is allowed to race swap a character but as soon as they call that "right" they've taken it too far. Like I've seen someone draw a character (Green Lantern, Kyle Rayner) with tanner skin and say that's correct instead of the white skin he has. The character is only a quarter Mexican and even if he was fully Mexican, Hispanics are a range of colors. It just peeves me off.
Coral Ree I understand what you mean. I myself I’m a pretty light skin toned Mexican. As for race swapping that’s fine too. I just don’t want people to say that their version is the right way or that it’s fixed
As a woman, I don't care if female characters are wearing sexy clothing, unless she's underage, it doesn't really matter. Also why are these people shrinking women's boobs? Have they forgotten that IRL women with large breasts exist?
what about fetishizing characters who dont have huge boobs or dont wear revealing clothes? i think thats more questionable. esp. if theyre children. i get that the whole " i FiXeD yOuR aRt" sentiment that is on its own very wrong but if someone wants to draw their favorite character in their way without "slut shaming" it then theres nothing wrong with it. same goes for changing skin color or weight. the same people that draw (or are generally into that kinda stuff) big busted women are usually the ones who call women with only fans / e-girls thots. lol.
HoneyyBear I’m not saying they can’t do that, I love seeing the way others can interpret a character in their own style. Everyone is entitled to making what they like. The only reason I take an issue with t hi s is if they redraw the character not because they want to make something they’re more likely to enjoy but because they change core parts of the character and claim they “fixed it”
I’ve been super busy with things so sorry I haven’t been watching your vids. Plan on binge watching all the ones I missed when things in my life settle down
Exactly, if they want more diversity, why not makes their own diverse characters (sorry if this sentence doesn’t make sense or has incorrect spelling, I’m not good with spelling)
what bothers me most is how these people look at these characters and claim that they’re “too lewd” or “too over sexualized” like bruh...the only people sexualizing it are the people saying it’s over sexualized. normalize women’s bodies. even if they’re fictional characters, it’s still gonna make women think they can’t dress the way they want to.
That is true. I can understand what they want to say but wouldn’t it be better to teach them to accept anyone no matter how they look or choose to dress?
Fun fact Pyra got a slight change for smash ultimate, but I'll let it slide because one it's Nintendo who did it and two smash is for more of the family demographic, so I see why they had to do that
Has anyone had the opposite problem with the skin colour I apparently drew character too black I am literally not joking. The funniest part is it wasn't even of a human character it was a duck with a reference picture that was literally 3 pixels
I just watched a video complaining about that Nessa art being "wrong" and "white washing" while on screen she was drawing sailor moon with brown skin and saying it's "important" and "there is no such thing as brown washing". How can someone attack other people for doing one thing.... while they are doing the exact same thing and patting themselves on the back? That's some Animal Farm level hypocrisy.
As a woman with big breast can I ask what the hell tumblr thinks is wrong with that? Is my body wrong because my chest isn't tiny? Im also into those super lewd themes and I enjoy when female characters are drawn in that way.
The problem with Tumblr is that they’re a bunch of hypocrites. They push body acceptance and body shaming is extremely frowned upon. However if I want to draw a girl with big breasts it’s a problem. But when they claim that she shouldn’t have big breast isn’t that body shaming girls who do have big breast?
It’s really silly. Like I said in my latest video, the reason I became an artists was basically so I could draw my own lewd content that I wanted. So whenever people question me or my art, it’s actually hitting the core of why I’m an artists.
But why be upset about an artist's personal interpretation? Or headcannons? Honestly they're not hurting anyone and not everything has to cater towards your or anyone else's sexual fantasy, especially when it comes to smaller artists redrawing characters. I've learned this over time with art being subjective and up to the individual with how they interoperate it. You may not enjoy the redesigns, but others may do. Also, please credit the art that you're reviewing like a responsible critic.
You're right, I forgot to credit each drawing and that was my mistake. I don't have an issue with people creating head cannons or creating a new interpretation of an established character. As I mentioned in the video there are AU where the characters are changed in drastic ways such as MonStar and Alternate Diamond Steven. I am completely okay with that. The issue I take with it is when people don't agree with the already established character and take it up to themselves to fix it. Why is it okay to fix a character by changing her from a white skin tone to a darker skin tone? It would be the same as white washing a character just in opposite. That's the issue I have. Thank you for showing me your opinion, I wanted to share mine and I am grateful you took the time to watch my video and engage with it! I hope you have a wonderful day!
Literally where did he say that he took issue with head cannons and redesigns? What he takes issues with is when people "fix" artwork because it doesn't suit their agenda. I definitely agree that not everything needs to be sexy but in the first example (Valentine from skullgirls) half the appeal of that game is from characters being sexy (which includes a male character too!!!). Fixing and editing artwork that isn't your without the permission of the original artist seems very rude to me, I would feel pretty bad about myself if someone took my artwork and felt the need to do that. Now I don't wanna come off as representation in media is bad because I know a lotta people edit characters too look fatter or a different race because there's a lack of representation and that fucking sucks. But editing official art work and acting all snarky and like you're on top of the world is very disrespectful in my opinion and I think if people do it they should be more respectful and say it's simply just a head cannon/au and not that they "fixed" it.
In my opinion, I think if you choose to make fanart, and alter it to create a new look or vision on the character, then I find that cool! As long as you don't claim you're fixing it and putting down then other artists vision. For example, someone may want to draw Valentine but isn't completely comfortable or experienced in drawing a lot of skin and lewd content, that first fanart actually came out pretty nice :) I'm not sure if they claimed it as "fixing it" though, we only saw the 2 pieces with no context
Momo ain't even white, I'm pretty sure almost all the characters in boku no hero are Japanese. They actually erased an Asian character for another race. That ain't diversity
ChaoticToons usually the intention of the “fix it” artist is to give what they assume a white character a darker skin tone to make the character a minority character. Mono is already a minority since she is Japanese, but they made her black, so in a way, “erasing” a part of her identity. It is hypocritical that the artist saw a Japanese character, deemed them “too white” and replaced the art with a black character. They say they support the representation of minorities in media, but then through their art get rid of Asian representation. This I what many people are also upset by apart from her outfit
Ooo okay I understand it now. Yeah that’s actually a great point. It is rather hypocritical of them to assume there isn’t enough diversity and change a minority with a different minority.
To be fair Momo's quirk is about using the fat in her body to create matter, her training consists of binge eating. So the largeness part makes sense and her costume didn't make sense in the first place. On the topic of her ethnicity tho, yikes.
I see what you mean, sort of like FatGum right? The thing is, it would make sense for Momo to be in extremely good shape as you mentioned she uses the lipids (Body fat) to create items. essentially she is using up any stored fat she has to create said objects. As for the costume, some objects are much larger than others so having larger portions of her body visible would be a huge plus for the object creation.
@@ChaoticToons exactly but with her previous costume it was a small strip of stomach and middle boob. However on the "fixed" she had an entire belly and back to use to her advantage. And you know what's really ironic about this, momo being Asian was already a person of colour, so by changing her ethnicity you're erasing Asian representation 😬
Oooooo I see what you mean. That is true. If I remember correctly when the villains first attacked monk had to break her costume to create that big blanket. True you’re right having the belly and back open would be a huge benefits. As to taking a minority and changing them to a different minority, as you said. Yikes.
@@ChaoticToons momo's costume is an object of hot debate amongst the community for sure, tbh I like the "fixed" version. And while yes it makes sense for her to be fit she is shown to be a bit thicker in the manga compared to the anime, and also I would want plenty of material for a quirk like that. Sort of like fat gum yeah, rapid weight gain/loss for her quirk to work. And it also lowers a bit of her sexualization considering she is a minor.
@@dr.nostalgia526 I see your point dude, I appreciate you opening my eyes to this. I will be honest I have not read the manga, I should probably look into that! I really appreciate people who take the time to chat with me, really dude Thank you.
SJW art is like, so weird and, idek. It's shaming people with big breast and ass, artists are allowed to draw anything from nude to fully clothed. It's just disgusting how people would shame others that has a hobby/ career that includes short skirts, revealing skin, etc. Yeah people can draw flawed characters but you can't "fix" art but only criticize the artist instead. Yes, some artist draws a dark skinned character can sometimes make the skin lighter when they don't use reference and it's just slightly different from the character its self. Also for example from my fandom itself some artist draw Craig tanned (slightly darker skin to make the Peruvian joke, well, goes on.) and some draws him like the canon version (light skinned). But making a black character white isn't okay; just watch a video about it.
And I see your point and wanting to change a character in one way or another I completely understand I my self do that from time to time. The issue I have with people is when they “fix” a character because they don’t agree with their race, skin color, weight, hair style, etc. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I just wanted to put mine out there. Still I do thank you for engaging with my content and giving me this chance to talk with you!
my opinion is that headcanons are totally chill ESPECIALLY when things like race and body types are fairly ambiguous. take homestuck for example (i know mentioning that in 2020 be pretty wack but STAY WITH ME HERE LOL) all of the kids were made to be racially ambiguous. you cant really tell what their body types are except in certain flash animations and even then, who cares abt their body types. u wanna make a character chubby because youre chubby and it makes you feel rad? do it!! race can get a little iffy but i personally have no problem with more racial representation in headcanons. as long as ur not changing poc to be white then whatever and tbh? i dont mind oversexualized girls in media too much? although yes i wish we were. Less Oversexualized but there are some things like u said, where they are clearly meant to be yknow. Secksey! but say for example in like, normal games where u can choose between like a guy and a girl for ur avatar, the girl is often very sexualized even though she is in an environment where that would NOT make sense. that makes me a littol :/ NOW. STEALING AND TRACING someones art? straight up terrible. i do not condone that. that has never been the right thing to do and never will be. that is the ONLY problem i have with what some of these ppl do (and ofc, the whole 'whitewashing' stuff when it was rlly just lighting) like at 6:10?? nah. dont like that. there's even a signature there which just?? makes me feel iffy but in the end sometimes its not 'fixing' the characters. sometimes u just wanna see a little more ACTUAL normalcy in the things we consume, to make u feel a little less crappy. i think that we as a Society slowly getting better at that, but till we get representation we deserve, i think its okay to dump ur headcanons and stuff on characters u love. anyway SORRRY THIS IS A RANT I TRULY MEAN NO HARM BY THIS I JUST WANTED TO PUT MY WORD IN ASHAHSAHS HAVE A GOOD DAY
I really appreciate your comment and it makes me happy that I was able to get such an opinion out of you. I agree with the idea that some characters are over sexualized for no real reason than other than fan service. But for example in Momos case her quirk allows her to create thing from her skin, so the more skin she has exposed the more and bigger things she could create. I can see both sides of the argument and we’ll, I wanted to throw my two cents into the mix! Thank you for engaging in my content and for engaging with me!
@@ChaoticToons of course!! that makes more sense but i think they could have executed it a little better yknow? esp considering she's 16 and all but. i dont watch the anime so eh i could rlly care less in this instance LOL :P there are definitely worse cases in anime than her when it comes to minors but yeah!! you seem pretty chill and i admire how considerate u are :0
I think it’s fine to have your own take on cartoon or video game characters as long as you don’t call it “fixing them”. Like if someone drew that first example and just said it was their take on the character in their style I’d have no issue with that
I honestly think that the third one is fine, people can draw characters however they want to. The fourth one is ok in terms of changing the costume, it’s closer to the character’s original body type in the manga than the anime was but I still don’t really like that they traced it and I don’t care about changing characters skin tones. I don’t really think that the first one was fixing and more just the artist wanting to draw a character they liked differently, it’s fan art.
That momo drawing is like why? It’s literally white(black idk what you call it) washing. I never liked drawing or artist in particular who did that. It just like if the character is this ethic why change it?? What’s the point you’re trying to prove?
whats funny and irony about it is asian have white to dark/brown dark skin tone but pretty much they are caring people on same nation so they are lesser racism about it except different nation/country from where they came from they more like colonies btw but its better much better with pretty less racism sometimes theyre arguing about themselves having dark one or white one but look fine on others also commonly asians are tan skin tone asians doesnt care about racism but sometimes they do because they want like one
How about instead of "fixing" it, redesign it. I admit, I do take some credit in redesigning characters, but only in relevance when it should be anatomically correct.
@@ChaoticToons Well, I mean no, what I mean by redesign, I mean like if someone wanted to design a character in their own style then that would qualify as redesigning like they were referring to in the video, because fixing, in my opinion would be implying only adding or talking away a few qualities of the character they would want to change, I was saying I have taken some commitments in that like changing the thinness of Jessica rabbit's waist and thickening it, to make it anatomically correct.
Ooooo okay I see what you mean. See if you want to make your own rendition of a character in your own style. That’s fine, you can change as much as you’d like and that’s fine, but the is sue is that they want to claim the character they drew is the fixed one that’s the issue.
But, basically what I'm saying is, is that some of the fans used the term wrong. Because honestly just saying fixing by just completely changing the design and anatomy is just heart breaking. But i cant blame them, as an artist myself, I just want to visualize what the character I see that would look better, in my head so I end up drawing it in the way I imagined. Of course, knowing i might hurt someone's depiction of the character they love, I usually just draw it and get on with my day.
Imagine being so insecure and creatively bankrupt that you go around "Fixing" peoples art, unless they have the red ethere reality can't be what you want it to be
love the fact this people, dont recognize "NATIONAL IDENTIY" lets take for example Momo, she is literaly Japanese, yes she could`ve been black, but its a "normal, stereotypical (in this case white) person, also, the original author draw her that way... ooo this people make me angry. BTW: didn't expect the voice of a male... is nice though
A lot of people don’t expect the male voice. I guess my avatar throws them off xD. That’s exactly my point. There’s the norm and also the author can choose what the characters look like. They’re his characters
hi! wanted to say how hypocritical it was of you to say that the lightening of nessa was okay when the color palette the artist used did include some dark colors- thus showing the lightening was intentional- and then dogging on those who made the skin tones darker. while most of the characters you talked about were japanese, there are still some tan japanese people and it is okay to draw characters like that if it makes you feel more connected or like you can see yourself in the character. characters in anime, manga, video games often get artists making their own iterations of the characters, and thats okay! while i dont agree with tracing or taking someone’s artwork and changing the colors and saying it is “fixing it”, the concept of changing the characters to a darker skin tone is okay. the reason that people dont like it the other way is because of the lack of good representation of darker toned characters in anime or manga, so taking away what little rep they had hurt them. nessa in particular causing a big uproar as racists around the world drew her white or made her into a racist caricature.
Hi, I want to thank you for commenting on this video. I re watched the video to see the Nessa part, however I fail to see where there would be dark colors. There are darker shades of the colors present on the image and that is what I believe you are talking about. However you need to see it from a lighting point of view. If you were to shine a bright light onto someone the colors show would become much lighter and makes the shaded parts much darker, however if this isn't what you're talking about I would love to hear more on it and maybe I am wrong. As for there being tanned Japanese people, yes you are absolutely right like any race and any nationality in this earth there will be different skin tones. The issue I partake with how they are "fixing" the characters is that it isn't the way the character was portrayed by the original artists. As I've mentioned before I am okay with people changing character and sometimes I even find it interesting, the issue again is when people "Fix" the character simply because they don't agree with it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I am thankful that you showed me yours! I hope you don't take this as me trying to attack your opinion, I simply wanted to share mine. I hope you have a lovely day!
I also did forget to mention. I strongly disagree with what the artist made with Nessa, the one who purposely changed her to be white. It was something in awful taste to be done and honestly I disapprove of anyone who has done something to her simply to cause an uproar.
ChaoticToons thank you for the quick reply! but as an artist the nessa drawing isnt about the character being washed out as her shorts has dark colors and her hair is the same color as the reference picture. and i didnt mention this previously, but the ayano drawing seemed purely out of fun, and the body of the character was just drawn by someone with a lack of anatomical knowledge or their style as the proportions were off in multiple places.
Thank you for bringing that up to my attention. I do see what you mean with the hair and shorts, it is much darker than the rest of the drawing. I still do believe that the artist chose to go for lighter colors and simply couldn’t find the right colors for the hair and shorts, however I do thank you for bringing that up to my attention. As for the Ayano drawing I do agree with you, it does seem like it might be lack of knowledge or simply out of fun. The reason I chose include it in the video is because while browsing through tumblr it was posted by the artist as “fixing” the character. Was it not for that caption I would not have included it. Thank you for your reply!
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I love the (borderline) hypocrisy of these people. Like they believe women and men should be allowed to show skin and be proud of their bodies. But when someone is mildly considered attractive or "sexualized" they demean or "fix" them. Pretty sure skinny and sexually appealing people still have feelings sis.
Thank you for your input dude. I handy really stoped to think about that. It is a bit odd that they have that message yet procede to try and talk about how wrong it is when someone else does it. Thank you for watching my video and engaging with it!
I actually understand what you mean. I was tempted to bring that up but I decided not to since it doesn’t really fall into place with the theme of the video. Nonetheless I was a bit caught off guard.
They “fixed” momo by making her black... imagine if we did the same to a black character and “fixed” them by making said character white :/
Don’t even mention that because it would be an outrage my friend.
And they piled loads of clothes onto her design, which is actually counterproductive as Momo’s Quirk relies on her skin being exposed so that her powers work properly. This was all explained in the series. It makes about as much sense as changing Mina’s skin colour.
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I also believe changing any characters race is stupid. But changing some from black to white has much different significance than changing someone from white to black due to the history of racism and oppression POC have experienced. White people have not experienced that racism and oppression. We can’t remove these things from context and use it to back up the points you are as they are not contextually comparable
Dusky Hare I definitely understand that but changing the skin color and saying you “fixed it” is so disgusting no matter What race you changed them to!
I always see it as a black cosplay
People want to see themselves in the characters they like. When they attach a concept of right and wrong to that is when things get awkward lol
sage g at the end of the day it’s a character that someone created because it’s what they like and what they envisioned. I just feel like it’s rude for someone to take it up on themselves to “fix” it
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The big problem with the person who changed momo for me is not only the ethnicity change (and I’m black myself) but they must not have watched the anime because her quirk (or superpower) relies on how much skin is exposed.
Exactly. She needs to expose skin so she’s able to create larger items. It could just be the case of someone doing that just to get some clout.
Crunchy I still find it wrong to “fix” a character by changing their skin color, aswell as just changing skin color or weight on a character bad. It takes away its characteristic and I’d hate if someone took my character made them black and skinny opinases to white and chubby.
Angelic Syndrome yeah it’s just wierd to change someone’s character design because “it’s not right to them” it’s not your character to change, it’s the creators choice
Yeah. Her Quirk specifically relies on her skin being exposed so that she can create objects with as little hindrances as possible. It’s like she said, her Quirk uses the body fat to create the materials. So why would you cover her up when she needs her skin to be exposed in order for her Quirk to function properly? That’s like changing Mina’s skin colour.
Yeah, she im fact needs access to areas with allot of body fat. However, her costume didn't needs to be designed in this way. I think the biggest problem with the way people usual redesign Momo's costume is that they don't care about her personality at all. From what I've seen most od the redesigns are just COVER OF THOSE NASTY BOOBIES. I like Momo's design because it makes her look mature and adult, not because I like it when girls have their titts all out. I have seen alot od Momo redesigns and most od the are just kinda... plain. Like most of them look like simple tracksuits that give her sporty energy that doesn't match her character.The most comnon things I've seen are 1) having her costume be made out od the same things as her hair like Lemilion's is (now corect me if I'm wrong but from where did we even get the prof that the her crearions can't go throw her hair, or that it's just that simple to create clothes out of somenodys hair that they can just do that for ever, studen't even tho there's a simpler solution) and 2) zippers (whitch I always found silly sence it takes time to unzipp the costume so she can use creation and just imagine her zipper being stuck at the worst posible situation). It's fine if you don't like the design and want to make it suit your taste more or heck you just felt like it, but labeling the creator as a deviant because od your personal feeling over the fictional character is just an astronomical level of brain damaged (not all of artists do this but a good chunk od them do). I don't see a single reason why people who have this wonderful character full of potential and the best they could do is some generic and plain design that tells us nothing about her feel entitled enough to tell Horikoshi or anyone to exspres their crativity and ideas.
I seriously don't understand a lot of people's passion for changing characters' skin-tones, especially if they're from Japanese media. If they're from an anime, they're most likely Asian, and therefore, already POC. Despite this, somehow people see right through that and make them dark-skinned and use the excuse 'not all Japanese people are pale', but this character you changed the skin-tone of was clearly a pale Japanese character...
It doesn’t come down to where you are from for your skin tone. You could be African and be pale. You could be Mexican and be black. And as you said. That’s how the character was originally created
More often than not the bigger issue is that even when you try and explain something often times people will reject the idea simply because it contradicts what they have thought for a long time. It’s hard to break habits.
The only time I can get behind “fixing” characters is when the characters are actually offensive, like those really distasteful superheroes marvel made a while back. Like if you’re unapologetically making a stereotype of a character unironically, that shouldn’t be tolerated.
It’s kind of like what I said about Nessa. If your intent is to be racist or offend people then yeah I strongly disagree
I feel like when for example when South Park does something offensive there is something behind it. Like it’s being story driver, not being offensive just because of it. But I might be wrong. I haven watched South Park in soooo long xD.
I’m actually not aware of what that is. Could I maybe ask about what cartoon wars is?
Not gonna lie, that sounds really interesting. I’m gonna go give it a watch xD. Thank you dude!
Vryskull I think we can both agree that a little bit of beef can be entertaining to watch.
i dont mind ppl changing characters but saying its "fixed" is just dumb. It kind of just sounds like the person "fixing" it is looking down on the original artist. If the character is just changed and the artist is like "here's my version" without crapping on the original artist, then thats fine.
That’s actually a really good way too put it, because yes by saying they’re fixing it they are putting down the artist. If you want to change it it’s fine, but please don’t “fix it”
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also modern feminists: OMG HOW DARE YOU MAKE HER SHOW SKIN!!!😡😡😡
everyone these are indeed very confusing times. I’m sure there’s a reason behind it but I can’t really imagine what the reason is.
Doing a redesign for fun is one thing. Calling it "fixing" it is completely different and not ok lol.
That’s my exact point! Thank you!
I can kinda accept the MHA thing because in the manga, she is almost like that. Also, the character's Asian so there really is no excuse for the skin-changing.
Cryptid Liker it’s okay if people want to make changes. But saying they’re fixing them just flat out isn’t okay
How is she like that in the manga?
@@alilordoftheskies5079 The photo I saw was an edit.
@@cryptidliker5294 so she's not like that then?
@@alilordoftheskies5079 From what I know now, Bones did slim Momo down but not to the extent I originally thought.
It's ok to draw a character with different clothes and shit, but completly changing the character and saying "I fixed It" is bs.
What bugs me is that, those people always say "women should wear what they want", but if they see a *_fictional_* character considered attractive with short clothes they lose their minds.
And then, sometimes they respond with "but they're 15!". while I can understand that if it's full on nsfw or fetish shit, I'm still on the "short clothing" topic (Also, edit, kids shouldn't really be seen as "sexual" in any clothing. For example, it's not illegal for them to wear beach clothing if they're on the beach. If you think them wearing that is sexy and should be covered up, I personally think your kinda weird). Well, I'm sorry to be the first person to tell you that, but they don't exist. If you really cared about minors being sexualized, there's somenthing called real life, where real kids actually suffer with those problems. You tweeting about human rights of fictional characters isn't helping any of them, just thought you'd like to know that.
Also, the ones who get mad about human anatomy.
Again, they don't exist. They're an image, a drawing, not a person.
"Where are her organs?"
Well, you should know that she doesn't actually need space for those. And no she doesn't have back pain, she ain't real, she can't feel those.
Artists don't need to draw their character the way you want to. Grow up. Realism is not the key for good character desing. It can look good, but people don't necessary need to a have a realistic style and realistic characters.
Of course, there *_is_* a difference between style and straight up bad art from people who refuse to learn, but I think this comment is alredy long enough to explain a few points, and the difference between those is easy to see but not so easy to explain
This comment is amazing. Is exactly the kind of conversation I was hoping for when I made this video. I agree dude, if people want to change the hairstyle of a character or their clothing go for it I’ve done it before but i still try to stick as close as possible to how they were originally created. Also I hadn’t thought about that point, they are fictional characters so they don’t need to be super anatomically correct. I really appreciate your comment and I hope you have a fantastic day!
Thanks Bro, have a fantastic day too!
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I’m all down for people redesigning characters as a fun way to practice character design, but it gets stupid when you do it and say it’s better
Exactly. Redesigning is one thing and anyone that has ever drawn has done it. Just don’t insult what the original creator has done.
I redesign Miraculous villains all the time, but I just do it for fun. I don’t claim to be better than the creator.
I honestly don’t get these people who “fix” characters and claim that the company should hire them. There’s such a thing as redesigning a character and still being polite (see LavenderTowne), but this kind of fixer is just so arrogant and narcissistic I don’t even know what to say.
And for these people who are redesigning MHA characters: please stop. It’s just rude. Horikoshi has explained why Momo has such an exposing outfit: her Quirk relies on her skin being exposed so that it can work properly. Otherwise, a range of problems could occur if she was covered up. Doing that makes about as much sense as white/blackwashing Mina Ashido. It makes no sense at all.
Lavender gives consructive critique.
Art fixers r just assholes.
I don't understand the yandere simulator one, she was already covered up well and her skin color was like this because she's Japanese and yet they changed it to yellow for some reason
People just want to make changes because they get like it dude.
If SJW’s put the time and energy into productive things that they put into being angry and tearing people down, not only would their community be incredibly valuable, but the world itself would probably look pretty differently. Instead of “correcting” people’s art and stories, make your own. If you think there is no good content in the world, instead of getting your emotional support hate squad together to insult others, work together to make something you deem good. Do something genuinely productive with that self-entitled anger.
Good video, my friend.
I strongly do agree man. Thank you for watching the video and I really appreciate it!
Sadly, some SJW do make stories and characters... Let's just say... Most of them aren't very good.
I remember the Nesa drama. That madness honestly gave me a serious migraine.
Oh trust me dude, I remember hearing about it all over the place and it seemed like a never ending battle between both sides. Good thing it’s finally died off (sort of)
for 6:09 I understand making her chubby because It kinda makes sense based on her quirk but I don't think Momo is white
I get where you’re coming from, however her quirk takes lipids, fat, and rearranges it in a molecular level to create things. With how often she’s using her quirk for both training and field work it’s a miracle she isn’t just bones. As for her skin color, I was never able to find exact numbers however I have heard plenty of stories of POC that have lived in Japan and how surprised people are to see them meaning they are predominantly light skin colored.
*brings up Skullgirls*
Me: YES! THIS UNDERRATED FIGHTING GAME NEEDS MOAR LOVE!!!
I’ve personally never really played it but I absolutely love the art style! I do agree it needs more attention.
@@ChaoticToons It's a really good game
@@sourcandy4770 Im bout to get it
Where can I get it? I really love the art style.
Honestly, someone I know dragged me into the community
When u change an Asian character black for dIvERsiTy
It’s all about diversity
As a girl who loves skull girls i dont see whats wrong with making girls sexy
How dare someone touch Val her design is great!!1!!1!!! Nah but like I wanna mention that girl characters are often sexualized and that sorta sucks but in a game like skullgirls like all the characters are sexualized, Beo is the CEO of sexy. My fix for this is to make all (of age) characters sexy! There we go problem solved.
Also I understand slightly changing skin tone for the sake of contrast but like race swapping is weird to me. White washing characters is a thing that happens offent and it's a problem, I mean have you seen minecraft steve??? He is so white washed in all the merch it upsets me greatly. But anyways in that drawing of nessa it was more of a watered down/pastel pallet so it makes sense for all of her colours to be lighter (her hair wasn't as dark as the og too). I get why people get upset over that but when it's like a filter and all the colours and not just the skin colour it's a bit weird to me.
geek draws I wanted to bring up white washing and how a lot of people see it as a problem but wouldn’t what they did to mono be considered something like white washing? What would we even call it? Black washing?
@@ChaoticToons a lot of artists or editors do it to make a more "diverse" spin on characters but at the end of the day it's still race swapping. I dont consider it as bad as someone whitewashing a character because there's a abundance of white representation in media, but it's still not something I wanna really see or wanna do. Someone that actually dose it well is a artist called destiny moon on tumblr, she has a version of hatsune miku called hatsune Mina (or something I forgot ^^') and it's just like black hatsune miku. Difference is that she treats Mina as a "parody" character or fan character unlike other artists that treat black edits like it should be cannon. At the end of the day I don't like race swapping.
geek draws see and that’s fine because they’re making it as a parody and even renaming the character.
Personally, I don't like it when people change the race/ethnicity of Japanese characters or any characters for that matter. It's the equivalent of taking a bucket tool in a drawing program, making the skin brown/tan, and calling it innovative. I think as black people if we ever want to see change we need to support other black creators and stop begging other races to do that for us.
That’s actually a great idea. You can’t depend on others to tell your stories.
@@ChaoticToons Simply put, God helps those who help themselves. I'm not very religious, but it just think there's a lot of truth to that statement.
sexualising or generally making character designs sexy is perfectly fine unless they're underage. It really isn't a big deal- many REAL woman go out of their way to look sexy so why not? It's stupid
The same way a women can wear whatever she wants and artist can draw characters however he wants.
@@ChaoticToons totally, people who go out of their way to cover up characters come off as the ones who don't actually respect woman and their choices to dress however they want without being seen in a negative light
That actually does make sense. If they respect them as they say, they should respect the choices they make on their clothing choice
Let me start of by saying. You’re my favorite type of commenter. You engage with both the video and with my little community and I greatly appreciate that! I completely get what you’re saying, culturally everyone is different. The same way how it’s socially acceptable in Mexico to drink once you’re 16 but 21 in the US. It does seem quite dumb and wrong to assume the way we live our life’s is the way everyone else does. I really appreciate the information you provided and I’ll ensure to look into it so I can better be educated.
Thank you so much!!
As someone who isn't traditionally pretty (aka I'm overweight lol), if I or a fictional character of similar proportions show our cellulite they'd be like "YAASSSS QUEEN EMBRACE IT" but if a traditionally beautiful woman or character did it it's suddenly like it's a war crime. Like please let all weights embrace themselves, that includes average and healthy weights.
I’m glad to hear your side of the story. Also there’s no need for you to not call yourself traditionally pretty because of weight. Everyone is beautiful in their own way and I am sure that so are you! Thank you for engaging with my content.
>Male voice
>Female avatar
WTF?
A Gastón. There’s no man quite just like Gaston.
imo id let people redesign characters the way they want as long as its not offensive, if they want to redesign it for what they’d personally do, go ahead!!! like i redesigned ibuki from danganronpa but with ripped leggings under her skirt, because personally i wanted to design her how i usually design characters and since shes a very jumpy and hyper person i thought it’d be practical, personally i think people can redesign characters different races if they want as long as they arent saying “ THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY!! “ like i draw sayori from ddlc but with a more tan skin tone since i thought it looked nice with the rest of her colors. i dunno just how i feel. i dont agree with people saying “ REDESIGNED CHARACTER! THEY ARE BROWN NOW, ITS FIXED “ and neither do i agree with completely white washing. idk i thought id just write my opinion!!!
Thank you for telling me your opinion. As I’ve mentioned in other comments this is the kind of conversation I want people to engage with. I don’t have an issue with people redesigning characters, that’s not the problem in itself. The problem is when they’re being “righteous and fixing the character” that’s a big no no for me.
yeah same when people do that its very entitled,,,
Sadly, the new owners of Skullgirls have applied SJW censorship, and the fans hate it
Ok so, I'm against whitewhasers (and blackwashers too) who claim they are fixing the character, but that Nessa drawing clearly wasn't that. I think they took her palette and made it pastel, that's why her skin looks lighter.
I also think that’s what happened. On my opinion it was just a case of over reaction
This is the first video I have watched on you're channel, and I thought this was a good video, and I think you're character is really cute.
Thank you so much for checking out my channel. Her name is Jenna and I absolutely love her! Give you have a fantastic day
"Mum,can we have character at home?"
"We already have character at home"
Character at home: * SJW design fix *
XD how did you know that is my favorite meme format!
@@ChaoticToons The same way I got the majority of the answers correct on a test I didn't even studied for (Also,how do you even reply that fast?)
I have notifications ones and I try my best to interact with anyone who is willing to interact with me
@@ChaoticToons I was not expecting that,and it is really nice from you.You got a new subscriber now!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it
In my opinion, anyone is allowed to race swap a character but as soon as they call that "right" they've taken it too far.
Like I've seen someone draw a character (Green Lantern, Kyle Rayner) with tanner skin and say that's correct instead of the white skin he has. The character is only a quarter Mexican and even if he was fully Mexican, Hispanics are a range of colors. It just peeves me off.
Coral Ree I understand what you mean. I myself I’m a pretty light skin toned Mexican. As for race swapping that’s fine too. I just don’t want people to say that their version is the right way or that it’s fixed
@@ChaoticToons Honestly, they just need to stick to their OCs and make them look however they want to look and leave other people's work alone.
Exactly. That way their OC Can be as they want them to be
As a woman, I don't care if female characters are wearing sexy clothing, unless she's underage, it doesn't really matter.
Also why are these people shrinking women's boobs? Have they forgotten that IRL women with large breasts exist?
I think it’s ok to draw a white character black for the sake of representation, but framing it as “fixing” the character is wrong.
Exactly. There’s nothing wrong with changing a character color. Just don’t claim that’s the correct way
what about fetishizing characters who dont have huge boobs or dont wear revealing clothes? i think thats more questionable. esp. if theyre children. i get that the whole " i FiXeD yOuR aRt" sentiment that is on its own very wrong but if someone wants to draw their favorite character in their way without "slut shaming" it then theres nothing wrong with it. same goes for changing skin color or weight. the same people that draw (or are generally into that kinda stuff) big busted women are usually the ones who call women with only fans / e-girls thots. lol.
HoneyyBear I’m not saying they can’t do that, I love seeing the way others can interpret a character in their own style. Everyone is entitled to making what they like. The only reason I take an issue with t hi s is if they redraw the character not because they want to make something they’re more likely to enjoy but because they change core parts of the character and claim they “fixed it”
I personally draw my characters big in the hips, and big in the lips!
That sounds like something I’d enjoy to see! You got any of your characters posted anywhere?
@@ChaoticToons I post art on my Instagram, @cherrypepsiandwine, I'm gonna start to post more of my art on there!
Leif Morrison oh yeah! I saw you followed me the other day! Thank you so much!
I’ve been super busy with things so sorry I haven’t been watching your vids. Plan on binge watching all the ones I missed when things in my life settle down
No worries dude. Take your time
I'm afraid of posting my OC in any social media because of this
I get that it can be so stupid but if you’d like to show it off fee free to join my discord and you can post it there!
why they don't just create their own characters?
Because they need to fix others mistakes
Exactly, if they want more diversity, why not makes their own diverse characters (sorry if this sentence doesn’t make sense or has incorrect spelling, I’m not good with spelling)
what bothers me most is how these people look at these characters and claim that they’re “too lewd” or “too over sexualized” like bruh...the only people sexualizing it are the people saying it’s over sexualized. normalize women’s bodies. even if they’re fictional characters, it’s still gonna make women think they can’t dress the way they want to.
That is true. I can understand what they want to say but wouldn’t it be better to teach them to accept anyone no matter how they look or choose to dress?
Fun fact Pyra got a slight change for smash ultimate, but I'll let it slide because one it's Nintendo who did it and two smash is for more of the family demographic, so I see why they had to do that
I hat did they change?
@@ChaoticToons yeah they changed it a slight bit, but not too bad, they just covered her legs a bit more, everything else is still the same
Has anyone had the opposite problem with the skin colour I apparently drew character too black I am literally not joking. The funniest part is it wasn't even of a human character it was a duck with a reference picture that was literally 3 pixels
As long as it’s your character you can draw them whoever color you want. And I mean Daffy Duck is quite literally black
@@ChaoticToons Thanks for the reply if you're curious of who's the character was it was the rebooted version of Gosselin
Ohh okay. I’d love to see it if you have the time!
@@ChaoticToons www.deviantart.com/versus22/art/Gosalyn-808955216
Versus 22 dude that looks amazing! Very cute
I just watched a video complaining about that Nessa art being "wrong" and "white washing" while on screen she was drawing sailor moon with brown skin and saying it's "important" and "there is no such thing as brown washing".
How can someone attack other people for doing one thing.... while they are doing the exact same thing and patting themselves on the back? That's some Animal Farm level hypocrisy.
Yeah I don’t really understand why it’s okay to change a white person to a POC but the opposite is an awful thing to do
As a woman with big breast can I ask what the hell tumblr thinks is wrong with that? Is my body wrong because my chest isn't tiny? Im also into those super lewd themes and I enjoy when female characters are drawn in that way.
The problem with Tumblr is that they’re a bunch of hypocrites. They push body acceptance and body shaming is extremely frowned upon. However if I want to draw a girl with big breasts it’s a problem. But when they claim that she shouldn’t have big breast isn’t that body shaming girls who do have big breast?
It’s really silly. Like I said in my latest video, the reason I became an artists was basically so I could draw my own lewd content that I wanted. So whenever people question me or my art, it’s actually hitting the core of why I’m an artists.
But why be upset about an artist's personal interpretation? Or headcannons? Honestly they're not hurting anyone and not everything has to cater towards your or anyone else's sexual fantasy, especially when it comes to smaller artists redrawing characters. I've learned this over time with art being subjective and up to the individual with how they interoperate it. You may not enjoy the redesigns, but others may do. Also, please credit the art that you're reviewing like a responsible critic.
You're right, I forgot to credit each drawing and that was my mistake. I don't have an issue with people creating head cannons or creating a new interpretation of an established character. As I mentioned in the video there are AU where the characters are changed in drastic ways such as MonStar and Alternate Diamond Steven. I am completely okay with that. The issue I take with it is when people don't agree with the already established character and take it up to themselves to fix it. Why is it okay to fix a character by changing her from a white skin tone to a darker skin tone? It would be the same as white washing a character just in opposite. That's the issue I have. Thank you for showing me your opinion, I wanted to share mine and I am grateful you took the time to watch my video and engage with it! I hope you have a wonderful day!
Literally where did he say that he took issue with head cannons and redesigns? What he takes issues with is when people "fix" artwork because it doesn't suit their agenda. I definitely agree that not everything needs to be sexy but in the first example (Valentine from skullgirls) half the appeal of that game is from characters being sexy (which includes a male character too!!!). Fixing and editing artwork that isn't your without the permission of the original artist seems very rude to me, I would feel pretty bad about myself if someone took my artwork and felt the need to do that. Now I don't wanna come off as representation in media is bad because I know a lotta people edit characters too look fatter or a different race because there's a lack of representation and that fucking sucks. But editing official art work and acting all snarky and like you're on top of the world is very disrespectful in my opinion and I think if people do it they should be more respectful and say it's simply just a head cannon/au and not that they "fixed" it.
In my opinion, I think if you choose to make fanart, and alter it to create a new look or vision on the character, then I find that cool! As long as you don't claim you're fixing it and putting down then other artists vision. For example, someone may want to draw Valentine but isn't completely comfortable or experienced in drawing a lot of skin and lewd content, that first fanart actually came out pretty nice :) I'm not sure if they claimed it as "fixing it" though, we only saw the 2 pieces with no context
Momo ain't even white, I'm pretty sure almost all the characters in boku no hero are Japanese. They actually erased an Asian character for another race. That ain't diversity
I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying but I’d love to chat with you!
ChaoticToons usually the intention of the “fix it” artist is to give what they assume a white character a darker skin tone to make the character a minority character. Mono is already a minority since she is Japanese, but they made her black, so in a way, “erasing” a part of her identity. It is hypocritical that the artist saw a Japanese character, deemed them “too white” and replaced the art with a black character. They say they support the representation of minorities in media, but then through their art get rid of Asian representation. This I what many people are also upset by apart from her outfit
Ooo okay I understand it now. Yeah that’s actually a great point. It is rather hypocritical of them to assume there isn’t enough diversity and change a minority with a different minority.
Real lesson learned here: stay away from tumblr and the imbeciles...
Very good lesson learned
1:33 I know that voice. Is that dakooters? I see your a man of culture as well
"I made her less... hire me Nintendo "
*proceeds to cover up skin to make it more "modest"*
To be fair Momo's quirk is about using the fat in her body to create matter, her training consists of binge eating. So the largeness part makes sense and her costume didn't make sense in the first place. On the topic of her ethnicity tho, yikes.
I see what you mean, sort of like FatGum right? The thing is, it would make sense for Momo to be in extremely good shape as you mentioned she uses the lipids (Body fat) to create items. essentially she is using up any stored fat she has to create said objects. As for the costume, some objects are much larger than others so having larger portions of her body visible would be a huge plus for the object creation.
@@ChaoticToons exactly but with her previous costume it was a small strip of stomach and middle boob. However on the "fixed" she had an entire belly and back to use to her advantage. And you know what's really ironic about this, momo being Asian was already a person of colour, so by changing her ethnicity you're erasing Asian representation 😬
Oooooo I see what you mean. That is true. If I remember correctly when the villains first attacked monk had to break her costume to create that big blanket. True you’re right having the belly and back open would be a huge benefits. As to taking a minority and changing them to a different minority, as you said. Yikes.
@@ChaoticToons momo's costume is an object of hot debate amongst the community for sure, tbh I like the "fixed" version. And while yes it makes sense for her to be fit she is shown to be a bit thicker in the manga compared to the anime, and also I would want plenty of material for a quirk like that. Sort of like fat gum yeah, rapid weight gain/loss for her quirk to work. And it also lowers a bit of her sexualization considering she is a minor.
@@dr.nostalgia526 I see your point dude, I appreciate you opening my eyes to this. I will be honest I have not read the manga, I should probably look into that! I really appreciate people who take the time to chat with me, really dude Thank you.
SJW art is like, so weird and, idek. It's shaming people with big breast and ass, artists are allowed to draw anything from nude to fully clothed. It's just disgusting how people would shame others that has a hobby/ career that includes short skirts, revealing skin, etc. Yeah people can draw flawed characters but you can't "fix" art but only criticize the artist instead.
Yes, some artist draws a dark skinned character can sometimes make the skin lighter when they don't use reference and it's just slightly different from the character its self. Also for example from my fandom itself some artist draw Craig tanned (slightly darker skin to make the Peruvian joke, well, goes on.) and some draws him like the canon version (light skinned). But making a black character white isn't okay; just watch a video about it.
who cares if people are drawing characters the way they want them to look, art is art. as long as there not hurting somebody everything is ok.
And I see your point and wanting to change a character in one way or another I completely understand I my self do that from time to time. The issue I have with people is when they “fix” a character because they don’t agree with their race, skin color, weight, hair style, etc. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I just wanted to put mine out there. Still I do thank you for engaging with my content and giving me this chance to talk with you!
@@ChaoticToons I understand what your talking about now. I dont like that as well, but I respect your opinion as well.
Thank you for respecting my opinion and I respect yours as well. I hope you have a wonderful day!
People tend to blackwash characters as well, I've seen a blackwashed version of Cerebella from Skullgirls .
If white washing isn’t okay. Why would the black wash? Why can’t they just leave the characters as they were created
@@ChaoticToons I know, right ?
But oh well. What can de to change their minds
@@ChaoticToons people also tend to blackwash Ms. Fortune
A yes. Ms Fortune. The big tiddy pirate xD
my opinion is that headcanons are totally chill ESPECIALLY when things like race and body types are fairly ambiguous. take homestuck for example (i know mentioning that in 2020 be pretty wack but STAY WITH ME HERE LOL) all of the kids were made to be racially ambiguous. you cant really tell what their body types are except in certain flash animations and even then, who cares abt their body types. u wanna make a character chubby because youre chubby and it makes you feel rad? do it!!
race can get a little iffy but i personally have no problem with more racial representation in headcanons. as long as ur not changing poc to be white then whatever
and tbh? i dont mind oversexualized girls in media too much? although yes i wish we were. Less Oversexualized but there are some things like u said, where they are clearly meant to be yknow. Secksey! but say for example in like, normal games where u can choose between like a guy and a girl for ur avatar, the girl is often very sexualized even though she is in an environment where that would NOT make sense. that makes me a littol :/
NOW. STEALING AND TRACING someones art? straight up terrible. i do not condone that. that has never been the right thing to do and never will be. that is the ONLY problem i have with what some of these ppl do (and ofc, the whole 'whitewashing' stuff when it was rlly just lighting)
like at 6:10?? nah. dont like that. there's even a signature there which just?? makes me feel iffy
but in the end sometimes its not 'fixing' the characters. sometimes u just wanna see a little more ACTUAL normalcy in the things we consume, to make u feel a little less crappy. i think that we as a Society slowly getting better at that, but till we get representation we deserve, i think its okay to dump ur headcanons and stuff on characters u love.
anyway SORRRY THIS IS A RANT I TRULY MEAN NO HARM BY THIS I JUST WANTED TO PUT MY WORD IN ASHAHSAHS HAVE A GOOD DAY
I really appreciate your comment and it makes me happy that I was able to get such an opinion out of you. I agree with the idea that some characters are over sexualized for no real reason than other than fan service. But for example in Momos case her quirk allows her to create thing from her skin, so the more skin she has exposed the more and bigger things she could create. I can see both sides of the argument and we’ll, I wanted to throw my two cents into the mix! Thank you for engaging in my content and for engaging with me!
@@ChaoticToons of course!!
that makes more sense but i think they could have executed it a little better yknow? esp considering she's 16 and all but. i dont watch the anime so eh i could rlly care less in this instance LOL :P there are definitely worse cases in anime than her when it comes to minors
but yeah!! you seem pretty chill and i admire how considerate u are :0
Thank you! I try and keep an open mind about everything. You never know when you can learn something new and it might change your whole view!
I think it’s fine to have your own take on cartoon or video game characters as long as you don’t call it “fixing them”. Like if someone drew that first example and just said it was their take on the character in their style I’d have no issue with that
I honestly think that the third one is fine, people can draw characters however they want to. The fourth one is ok in terms of changing the costume, it’s closer to the character’s original body type in the manga than the anime was but I still don’t really like that they traced it and I don’t care about changing characters skin tones. I don’t really think that the first one was fixing and more just the artist wanting to draw a character they liked differently, it’s fan art.
1:45 why those moans I was watching on full volume and my mother was near me T_T
Duuuuuuuuuuude I’m so sorry! I should of added some sort of warning. Please forgive me
That momo drawing is like why? It’s literally white(black idk what you call it) washing. I never liked drawing or artist in particular who did that. It just like if the character is this ethic why change it?? What’s the point you’re trying to prove?
The Ayano one is just- why.
Her design is one of the least sexualized anime character designs ever- .
whats funny and irony about it is asian have white to dark/brown dark skin tone but pretty much they are caring people on same nation so they are lesser racism about it except different nation/country from where they came from
they more like colonies btw but its better much better with pretty less racism
sometimes theyre arguing about themselves having dark one or white one but look fine on others
also commonly asians are tan skin tone
asians doesnt care about racism but sometimes they do because they want like one
How about instead of "fixing" it, redesign it. I admit, I do take some credit in redesigning characters, but only in relevance when it should be anatomically correct.
I’m not sure I’m following you. Like you redesign the characters?
@@ChaoticToons Well, I mean no, what I mean by redesign, I mean like if someone wanted to design a character in their own style then that would qualify as redesigning like they were referring to in the video, because fixing, in my opinion would be implying only adding or talking away a few qualities of the character they would want to change, I was saying I have taken some commitments in that like changing the thinness of Jessica rabbit's waist and thickening it, to make it anatomically correct.
Ooooo okay I see what you mean. See if you want to make your own rendition of a character in your own style. That’s fine, you can change as much as you’d like and that’s fine, but the is sue is that they want to claim the character they drew is the fixed one that’s the issue.
But, basically what I'm saying is, is that some of the fans used the term wrong. Because honestly just saying fixing by just completely changing the design and anatomy is just heart breaking. But i cant blame them, as an artist myself, I just want to visualize what the character I see that would look better, in my head so I end up drawing it in the way I imagined. Of course, knowing i might hurt someone's depiction of the character they love, I usually just draw it and get on with my day.
@@ChaoticToons ya exactly.
Imagine being so insecure and creatively bankrupt that you go around "Fixing" peoples art, unless they have the red ethere reality can't be what you want it to be
Didnt expect the male voice
Welcome to the club xD. I do however it didn’t take away from the video contents.
I edit art in which I remove ugly bastard and gore, is that ok or na?
That is a very good question that I am not sure how I need to answer xD
@@ChaoticToons thanks for replaying, please let me know when you come up with the answer, I need to know if it’s ok.
I definitely will.
love the fact this people, dont recognize "NATIONAL IDENTIY" lets take for example Momo, she is literaly Japanese, yes she could`ve been black, but its a "normal, stereotypical (in this case white) person, also, the original author draw her that way... ooo this people make me angry.
BTW: didn't expect the voice of a male... is nice though
A lot of people don’t expect the male voice. I guess my avatar throws them off xD. That’s exactly my point. There’s the norm and also the author can choose what the characters look like. They’re his characters
@@ChaoticToons FINNALY A PERSON OF CLASS, i sure hope the world views changes for good xdd
also What a legend you relpy to my comment super fast
It would be a good world. Let’s hope for a better tomorrow friend.
I found Valentine's organs
You need more subscribers!!!
Thank you dude. I appreciate the comment! ❤️
I was not sure this video is about SJW arts until I saw the Yandere Simulator one, yup definitely SJW.
It’s make me unhappy when sjw ruin character cartoon
Yeah and like momo isn’t even white, she’s asian so they changing one poc into another poc
6:12 just why
Clo CrazeCartoonGal most likely because she didn’t fit the criteria the artist felt like she needed to fit.
Oh crap I watched the vid twice lol. Oh well more views for you
U deserve more subs
Hi! sorry I got so late to your comment! TH-cam held it for review! Thank you, it means a lot that you wish me well! I will try to keep improving
hi! wanted to say how hypocritical it was of you to say that the lightening of nessa was okay when the color palette the artist used did include some dark colors- thus showing the lightening was intentional- and then dogging on those who made the skin tones darker. while most of the characters you talked about were japanese, there are still some tan japanese people and it is okay to draw characters like that if it makes you feel more connected or like you can see yourself in the character. characters in anime, manga, video games often get artists making their own iterations of the characters, and thats okay! while i dont agree with tracing or taking someone’s artwork and changing the colors and saying it is “fixing it”, the concept of changing the characters to a darker skin tone is okay. the reason that people dont like it the other way is because of the lack of good representation of darker toned characters in anime or manga, so taking away what little rep they had hurt them. nessa in particular causing a big uproar as racists around the world drew her white or made her into a racist caricature.
Hi, I want to thank you for commenting on this video. I re watched the video to see the Nessa part, however I fail to see where there would be dark colors. There are darker shades of the colors present on the image and that is what I believe you are talking about. However you need to see it from a lighting point of view. If you were to shine a bright light onto someone the colors show would become much lighter and makes the shaded parts much darker, however if this isn't what you're talking about I would love to hear more on it and maybe I am wrong. As for there being tanned Japanese people, yes you are absolutely right like any race and any nationality in this earth there will be different skin tones. The issue I partake with how they are "fixing" the characters is that it isn't the way the character was portrayed by the original artists. As I've mentioned before I am okay with people changing character and sometimes I even find it interesting, the issue again is when people "Fix" the character simply because they don't agree with it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I am thankful that you showed me yours! I hope you don't take this as me trying to attack your opinion, I simply wanted to share mine. I hope you have a lovely day!
I also did forget to mention. I strongly disagree with what the artist made with Nessa, the one who purposely changed her to be white. It was something in awful taste to be done and honestly I disapprove of anyone who has done something to her simply to cause an uproar.
ChaoticToons thank you for the quick reply! but as an artist the nessa drawing isnt about the character being washed out as her shorts has dark colors and her hair is the same color as the reference picture. and i didnt mention this previously, but the ayano drawing seemed purely out of fun, and the body of the character was just drawn by someone with a lack of anatomical knowledge or their style as the proportions were off in multiple places.
Thank you for bringing that up to my attention. I do see what you mean with the hair and shorts, it is much darker than the rest of the drawing. I still do believe that the artist chose to go for lighter colors and simply couldn’t find the right colors for the hair and shorts, however I do thank you for bringing that up to my attention. As for the Ayano drawing I do agree with you, it does seem like it might be lack of knowledge or simply out of fun. The reason I chose include it in the video is because while browsing through tumblr it was posted by the artist as “fixing” the character. Was it not for that caption I would not have included it. Thank you for your reply!
Monos not white
just make your character...
Holy shit those fixed art has so many broken Anatomy luke yeah fixed at least these professional artist know how to anatomy .
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