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the fact people made fake screenshots of that one artist saying the n word just to get away with bullying a child is INSANE and should've never happened. having an art style with your eyes a bit high isn't going to kill anyone and that "drama" should've never happened
Yeah the whole thing was stupid. They couldn've just blocked the artist if they hated the artstyle. Although common sense is probably not a thing for people like that.
You can't just deem everything art style, their art didn't look that good, but how the hell do these people think do you become a good artist?
Are you born with skills, or something?
Duh, you start out as bad and slowly become better and instead of supporting an aspiring artist or just... ignore their page because you prefer to look at more advanced artists' work they literally chose to make up reasons to bully them for their art?
@@helion_ut It was an artstyle I'm pretty sure
@@dhllyyquit Well, the line between an artstyle and a mistake is thinn at times, but whatever, the point it that it didn't look good and that you should not bully minors for training their skills-
@@helion_ut Yeah that's true- you shouldn't bully anyone for that tbh
I literally drew my character with Deku as them being friends and I got HARASSED. I was like, "Okay Tik Tok go bye-bye."
WTH. That’s so stupid to harassed someone for. I used to do that when I was young with Tinker bell and the Powerpuff girls. We all done this when we were younger
Omg, people on TikTok gets angry over everything and will harass you. It's like your being microanalyzied on one video and then they tear you to shreds.
Fr tho💀 that's Sad.. Ima have to be honest tik tok users will literally make fun of anyone by drawing simple stuff, like a dog for example.
Holy shit. Sorry to hear that happened.
The toxic ones are always behind the screen
Just a few days ago my friend's art was stolen and "fixed" by a tiktoker with 20k followers, no credit to them. They weren't even fixing an error or anything, they stole fanart and erased out a character they didn't like. Like, of course theres going to be thieves in every space but.. 20k followers for stealing other people's fanart and erasing a character?????
That’s crazy! Good thing I don’t have tiktok. I’d hate to have my art stolen like that... Geez
Drop their @
What a douchebag...
As an artist myself, that shit pisses me off greatly.
@@GMisEpicYuhTo harass them?
Bullying is becoming more and more acceptable on social media... The "let's bring back bullying" and "bullying is okay sometimes" are making me sick. Bullying doesn't do any good
Oh, I hate that trend with my entire being. It's absolutely disgusting how they try to justify bullying. I can't even begin to describe my hatred towards those arrogant assholes.
Yeah I hate the “let’s bring back bullying” it’s so stupid
Honestly,bullying destroyed my mental health when I was a child,I was around fucking 7-9.
“Bring back bullying” is such a shitty thing and cowardly coping mechanism for their own pin. If these people claim “bullying made me tougher”. It’s is a complete lie; because if you hurt someone else due to your own pain, it means you’re too afraid to be kind. Being kind takes courage.
Bring back bullying is meant to put spoiled entitled people back in line when nothing else works.
Not just bullying innocent people so yes I do think bullying is ok sometimes, if people such as (chris chan and Shane daweson) were bullied into suicide then some terrible things would've never happened.
I think a huge part of the problem with TikTok is the young audience. I remember TH-cam and Tumblr being just as toxic but now as it is being used by an older audience the vast majority of that toxicity is gone.
I agree! I realized I enjoy using tumblr so much after all these years because most of my followers and people I interact with are 20+
this was my thought as well I remember a Joke about how scary kids can be because they haven't learned empathy and honestly there's truth to it I also think this is apart of the social media cycle i feel when it get at its worst sensible people will still come out of it
tumblr and youtube are still filled with kids, it's just the aholes (both adults and children) on tumblr left after 2018, and youtube is bigger, hence it's easier to avoid encountering a child.
@@eddaveed3069 Agree. Social media curated toxic behaviour that leaves no room for proper discussion and critical thinking
You kinda sound like a boomer lol it's not just younger people that make it that way. It's equally the adults as well. It's not constricted to an age range. It's like that across the board. People have to stop trying to blame everything on the younger generations, people have been doing it for centuries now. It wasn't true 100 years ago and it's still not true in 2022. Please stop. You're factually wrong.
finally someones talking about this! the tiktok art community is unbelievably toxic
Any and all tiktok communities will be inevitably toxic lmaoo
FR FINALLY SOMEONE ACTUALLY TALK ABT THIS
Srsly tho not only art communities but the whole entire tiktok app is just straight up toxic like they dont gaf if ur dead 💀
I thought Twitter was where ppl loved to argue, Tiktok is a cesspool are arguing, "exposing" etc. to the extreme, on youtube or even twitter, art drama has multiple sides you can take, all the info is easily accessible, and your encouraged to have nuanced takes and opinions on things but tiktok?
you get way more likes dog piling on someone and ppl try to frame others for utterly inexcusable things ( saying the n-word) to point and laugh, no matter your age/gender/lack of proof/etc.
@@kiroswife Yes it's just a draining sesspool
Yep, its just kids that instead of giving actual criticsim they just say its bad because they don't know any better
this is why im really scared of "going big" on the internet. as much as i really wanna be recognized for something on the internet, im scared of the people who will purposely try to frame me as a bad person
Yeah it is scary. Some people can be downright nasty if they don’t like something. It would seem I’ve done myself a favor by avoiding places like tiktok and twitter
I’ll still probably try some day, but the only places I wanna do that in (at least at first) are platforms I trust more like Deviantart and TH-cam.
I understand but you shouldn't let hatred stop you from living the kind of life you could be happy with. There will always be people who hate you and many of them, even if you're an absolute saint.
I want to be famous but it's also scary, I joined the internet at a young age too so if they look at the youtube channel i had when I was 10 they might find dirt
I apologized for it a long time ago and have been forgiven by most people involved in the dramas but I'm worried it'll resurface when I'm older
And Im not. I very much want to get big any any comment that mocks me that I manage to read will be deleted.
Im scared of posting too for this reason. All it takes is one post and all of a sudden you've blown up and everyone is making fun of you
My cousin's daughter got into TikTok. She really enjoyed it and her grandma got her a nice ring light phone stand for xmas so she could improve her video quality. I wasn't on Tiktok at the time so I never saw her content. I was recently catching up with ther grandma and I asked how her Tiktok was going. She told me that the girls at her school found her Tiktok and they went on mass reporting campaigns to get her banned and sent bullying messages. Every time the poor child tried to start a new account these girls would find it and begin reporting her til she got banned. I think she tried 4 different times before she just quit entirely and joined the volleyball team instead.
Kids are fucking vicious and nasty. Even back when I was a kid I was shocked at how feral some of my peers could become! It was so easy to see them get swept up into a group frenzy too. Like I have memories of elementary school and seeing a literal wolf pack of girls chasing a boy down through the school yard and tearing his clothing to shreds because "he was cute." The boy had to wear old clothes to school just to keep his good shit from being destroyed. lmao. I don't know how that was allowed to continue but that shit happened more than once. I can only imagine the scale of crazy some kids can get to now-a-days with the technology we have at their fingertips.
jesus christ.
im so thankful im not a rude kid, that's horrible, i hope ur cousin's daughter and that boy is alright now.
holy-
This is a really sad situation, I hope your cousin's daughter and that boy is okay now.
I don't know much about that boy's whereabouts nowadays. I had classes with him in 6th grade before we got split up into different classes in 7th. He was a good kid, really sweet. He had a good spirit about the mob thing and found it funny. If i recall correctly, it was his mom who complained about the situation and got it stopped. A good mom! I've thought about him over the years and always hope that he ended up in a good life.
As for my cousin's kid, she moved on into theatre and had a role in a recent school play. Sadly, though, I hear she's becoming a bit of a bully herself. "Hurt people hurt people." as that saying goes. Hopefully, she grows out of it.
This isn’t specific to tiktok, but it seems like people are always like “don’t shame beginner artists!” Until those beginner artists aren’t putting down their work or are feeling proud of it.
THIS!!
how do you know they are the same people who say this?
I’ve hated Tiktoks art community the moment I heard about the Croaket_ situation. Absolutely abhorrent.
yeah that situation makes me sick to my stomach. i follow them on instagram now their arts really cute
This is kind of a hot take but when black artist pointed out that nawnii didn't even speak up about the harassment artist were receiving during blacktober people immediately jumped on that to justify their harassment of Croaket_ and avoid saying that they were in the wrong in the first place. Also, Nawnii was a bit hypocritical when it came to that situation because they made of gacha kids before and they should've spoken about what was going on in blacktober and given a better apology and then not immediately delete it because they couldn't handle the critism people were giving them because some of it was honestly valid.
@@BitchboyOzzie Nawnii has zero obligation to speak about blacktober. If you want videos on blacktober, go and look for them. Seriously, she was speaking about how a child was getting harassed and all you can think about it is “but what about me? what about this other thing that I’m upset about???” Really? Ugh.
@@BitchboyOzzie people aren't perfect and have no obligation to cover every single topic in existence. It reminds me of those stupid discussions when someone says "I donate to charities that help the victims of Ukrainian war" and someone responds with "oh so you don't care about the war going on in [insert any other country]?" People can be generous to whoever they want and can care about multiple issues at once but at the end of the day, even if they don't, they have no obligation to donate to every place/charity. No one should explain themselves when they try to be helpful in a particular issue
When it comes to making fun of gacha kids.. from what I have seen, she was not giving any information on who they were and was not bullying them like Pkrussl did, she always stated she wishes them well and that they have a great future ahead of them. I get it, I did cringy shit as a kid too and if someone made fun of it, I wouldn't blame them. Perhaps she was harsher in her older videos, I have no idea, but it still doesn't mean she is irredeemable or a hypocrite. People change, improve, make mistakes. Some listen to their own advice that way everyone is happier
I'm not writing this comment to attack you in any way. I believe to see the best in people and not assume negative things that aren't confirmed about them. Nawnii apologised and told her audience how she tries to improve and it's a very difficult journey to her because of her past traumas. I think she did what she could and even though her apology wasn't "perfect" it doesn't have to be. It has to be good enough, show remorse and the desire to change and she checked all of these boxes
@@billcipher8645 What was going on to black artist within the community was way worse than someone getting picked on for an art choice and your comparison is pretty stupid because it's not even about donating money, nawnii could've done the bare minimum and said, "hey stop harassing black artist."
As somebody who's video got viral on TikTok as a semi beginner artist, I kept on getting "oh" and Multiple other comments and a person made an entire argument on how I'm the worse person ever cus I used a art term wrong by accident and was arguing everyone.
I got a bunch of followers and a bunch of people who liked my art though, I guess I did get something out of it but the feeling of dread of opening up a app and then immediately thinking about quiting art is a feeling alright.
Edit: Looking at the replies, let me explain what happened.
I made a video saying "This was literally my rendering process." And it was me showing how simple the process was and this was replying to comment that was made on a speed paint.
A person in my comments said "So we're calling anything rendering now? 💀" And the only reply I did was "Actually, this was helpful." Because I got educated on the term rendering and also wanted them to calm down and know that I got their point.
Anyways, everyone was arguing them and they were not backing down. I think I did one petty reply but that was when it was in the middle of it besides that, I literally did nothing but used a term wrong.
#2 edit: changed some terms cus they were incorrect and did kinda made it worse by accident, it wasn't that bad but it was still bad.
I am gonna quit TikTok because I am getting really discouraged because I can only get my posts out to like 3 people
Used a term wrong and argued with people = reincarnation of Satan?🤨
These people really do sound like children.
I’m so sorry. What a shit thing to do to someone for BEING A NORMAL HUMAN WTF??
@@phantom6453 they're not arguing with Alex, the person is arguing with the people who are disagreeing with them. I don't know if we could delete other users comments on tiktok, but if it's not possible then why are you victim blaming them? Sure they got bothered by it, it's not their fault that they did. It's a normal feeling, that user was rude af as well! Alex didn't ask them any sh*t! That person has a serious mental problem for commenting again and again, for fighting with other users again and again. Alex didn't ask for this! That person was the one who continued commenting, and Alex just watched. Alex didn't do sh*t.
@@phantom6453 yes, but it's not wrong to get bothered by some user! They were literally insulting them right in their face, which is more embarassing if it were done physically. Alex's reaction was totally valid unlike some users reactions. Just because you didn't get death threats doesn't mean that you shouldn't take things seriously, what if that user insults random children as well? That's clearly bullying at this point! That person needs to get punished.
I'm sooo glad that I never touched tiktok. I hate how toxic it is and I feel so horrible for those who have been bullied off of the platform. I'm glad I watch tiktok compilations on TH-cam instead because it's honestly better that way. TH-cam is by far a lot kinder than tiktok.
Yeah
Honestly I've been using it for awhile and it's Honestly just like normal social media if your not in the art community on tiktok
i have had it for over a year and i have seen the craziest things there... most stuff i see are actually funny tiktoks but sometimes i see ~the bad~
And thats saying something cause yt comments get pretty toxic 🤣
I…….don’t know about that last part.
Literally couldn’t agree more. Every time I’m like “hey maybe we shouldn’t bully people” everyone and their mom has something to say about it like I just broke a cardinal rule or smth
I over exaggerate body proportions in art. I was wondering if I should of gotten TikTok, but this video was a blessing from god
You dodged a bullet. Not that long ago a professional artist drew some stylized Britney Spears fanart and posted it on Tiktok, and got ruthlessly dragged.
Anime and realism are the only two art styles allowed there, if you draw literally any other way you will get in a lot of unecesary drama and people will try to frame you as a bad person
Everybody who bullied Croaket_ for their art style casually forgot why Picasso got famous
Not a very good point
Yeah, that's not a good comparison
A more recent event that also kind of disturbed me: A young artist was a bit too cocky and bragged about how people in their beginner art class were in for a surprise, and then their art was... Not above a beginner's class, so to speak.
Now, I do understand and am on the side of people who explained that they did not need to dismiss those in a beginner class, that we all can learn a lot, older artists explaining their own experience and how this sort of attitude does not benefit you, and even those who were a bit more acid and said things on the line of "kid, you got a big storm coming".
But jesus christ, a great deal of people were absolutely *ruthless*. The template of their tiktok was used and reused for memes (some that did make me laugh ngl, specifically the ones that featured meme art that clearly took more effort than whatever is on my sketchbook right now), sometimes with the kid's face, had their art (that wasn't even really bad tbh) mocked, and I was just there like "????????????"
I saw the comments on the original tiktok. People were straigh out bullying and sending threats to the kid. And when I was checking their other art tiktoks, there were already a couple mean comments coming from the og.
All this harassment to a beginner artist who commited the deadly sin of having a bit of an ego that honestly is quite common around their age, and did not need this level of "punishment".
I bookmarked their apology video because I wanted to give my own reply, but I kept pushing it off due to my anxiety, and now it's gone. I don't really remember their @ to check if they simply deleted the tiktoks or if their whole account is gone, but considered how it all went down, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the latter..
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I SAW THIS TREND ASWELL I hate how they keep reusing the same thing like we get it no need to go over the lines they rlly bully on that singularly artist
That’s why I don’t post art anymore on tiktok they would go for you even when u didn’t do nothing wrong but they will judge you no matter what
i do think they shouldve been humbled but not with continuous insults, like they shouldn't have been so cocky, but there shouldn't have been a meme template.
Trust me, that shit will stick with them for decades.
think their @ was "notforthebees"
i went to their account after seeing a parody for the first time and they deleted all their videos
This is the kind of behavior that fuels my hatred towards myself and my art. People just don't allow you to start from anywhere - you have to be born a goddamn prodigy so people will leave you alone. And even then if you're good/successful enough you have to deal with jealous people too 😮💨
All of this just makes the art process unnecessarily stressful.
I've been posting my art online for 7 years on various sites like instagram and DA. People have been very respectful and uplifting. Shortly after i made a tiktok i recieved a negative comment lol. It was just 1 which is fine. I'm not really active on tiktok at all. I just notice people seem to have super high expectations on that app about how a person should be
They were “outed” about being a dsmp fan, which is so stupid because the only way that if you like a problematic content creator makes you bad is if you A:openly support the creators actions, or B:disagree with hard evidence or proof (ex a clip of a non black creator saying the n slur) they literally only were outed for watching Jshlatt and dream… like what? And the whitewashing part, they did whitewash the characters but they not only apologized but also re colored the skin to be darker, and it wasn’t even that much lighter, it probably was a few shades lighter, but they still handled it well.
kinda reminds me of how people will put really young kids art in cringe comps over it literally being poorly drawn IN THEIR OPINION like dont u have anything better to do then bully 7 year olds 😭
Bruh that’s horrible
I would just say "alright show us your art if you good at it".
This is like making fun of babies for not being able to walk yet lmao, who is a master at something when they first try it
This is why the reasons I'm afraid to post arts on TikTok, TH-cam, and other social media
@@Whyyoueatmycheesefamily its sad
TikTok is something I will always avoid because they care more about money than the safety of creators or viewers. Its just "Oh look, its getting lots of comments! Yay money!" kinda energy
Holy crap, I dodged a bullet- I had no idea the community on TikTok was that toxic, and for a while I had been thinking about getting the app. With how fragile my self-esteem is, I think they might do much worse than bully me off the platform.
I have hitchhikers thumb, double jointed thumbs so they bend back nearly 90 degrees. For an art assignment I had to draw a page of hand references. My instructor told me I did ok but my thumbs looked weird/shouldn’t bend that way. “You mean like this?” Then proceeded to wiggle my freaky little thumbs.
HAHAHAH what was the reaction omg?!?
They always like art until it'd a beginner
Your pfp is perfect
@@aliteralblueberry7837 tysm ♡
I was pretty active in the tiktok art community back in like summer 2021, and tbh i never actually saw alot of negativity that i can remember. most of what i watched was people sharing their process on making art, and that was about it
It is because in the past few months it has grown rapidly with an artist being attacked every week now. It is honestly so depressing
I know this is about Tiktok, but that wrist point really struck a nerve. I have long fingers and can bend them in interesting ways. I used them for reference back in art college and got told they look unnatural. When I demonstrated that my own hands bend this way, the lecturer said (paraphrasing) "uh...well, the audience will see it as wrong". I'm always wanting to show body diversity in my work. Why are my own hands different?? Ugh
Well apparently people who are deformed or have general genetic differences can't be drawn or it will offend the normal people
I don’t have unnaturally long fingers, and I’m not flexible AT ALL but I can still bend my hand all the way flat like in the “incorrect” image lmao
Saaaame! My thumb can do the 👍 symbol but the first section of the finger can bend to a 90° angle.
Humans are weird and they have always been, "anatomically correct" is not even that correct in humans...
Same!!! I have very short fingers and no bones showing on my wrist, yet when I draw characters with smooth arms and no wrist's bone they say it's "inacurate" well sorry my anatomy is not realistic even tho I can quite see and interact with it.
My fingers naturally curl outwards, to the point where they look unnatural. I hate how people say that they're unnatural. They're completely normal, to me.
Something I hate with tiktok is how they cant handle beginners, stylisation and stylised/unrealistic propositions
Yes, finally somebody who addresses this! You rock, Celestia! The amount of times I've been told my art style is "ugly" or how "disproportionate my faces are" is unbelievable, and depending on the mood, I either respond in anger or sarcasm. 💀
Tik Tok itself deserves to be shut down. I'd rather have people who are actually nice other than spreading misinformation, and being toxic & harass people without a reason because of the way they look, dress or how they feel.
I don’t think TikTok should be shut down, but TikTok should ban more people and care what are posting
No fr bc on that app it ruins me sm how ppl would judge you in a lot of ways and it definitely shows their true colors 😬
Yes. I hate tik tok. I wanted it down since its uprising
actually no, dont close down tiktok because it will only spread the toxicity to other platforms
Tiktok keeps idiots in one place. It's better to have a fool's platform than to let them spread into other places
I remember how crazy this whole "croaket drama" was. People tried to say Croaket_ was racist because of a creator they PREVIOUSLY supported because they committed the cardinal sin of drawing fanart or something??? As in they weren't even watching content or engaging with that creator AT ALL and the fanart was old. It's clear that they were just trying to cancel a creator because they didn't like the art-style of all things. It was disgusting to watch.
Now I wanted to just touch on how black artists are treated on tiktok. Like we are CONSTANTLY targeted by people who oh, you know, are hella racist and spam report our accounts because they deem our content "inappropriate." So many of my art friends are constantly shadowbanned, because they dare to call out the racist harassment that they face. Not just young black artists, but just poc artists in general. TikTok's Toxic side of it's art community can be summed up in a few words, it's what's wrong with the internet art community but turned up ten fold....
croaky got cancelled for "whitewashing" but non-white people get pure racism
at this point tiktok kids have double standards
TikTok is super worse than Twitter tho. There are good and bad things about TikTok but a lot of bad things can rid of good things. I am too scared to approach TikTok tho. I don't hate it. I just don't like it and won't download it.
Honestly tiktok is really great if your in a small cult Fandom it's worth it and not that toxic if you're got in the art community
@@basilbat273 well I am still not gonna download it.
@@IAARPOTI alright that's your choice.
TikTok took the worst aspects of Twitter and multiplied them by 50
The other day I posted my sketch on TikTok and people was keep commenting “oh” “something is wrong” “you made it worse” even tho it’s a sketch💀💀💀 and half the people who was commenting that don’t even draw
I downloaded TikTok, made one post of my art, and was absolutely FLOODED with hatred and horrid comments with everyone telling me I ruined this specific franchise, should kms, etc. I’ve dealt with hatred before online but that was just insane. Didn’t feel like trying to cater to that audience so I uninstalled the same day.
Hey Celestia, your video reminds me of something I've noticed on IG. Over the past few months/past year, I've seen what feels to be more and more comments that don't seem to treat creators as people. I get that trolls have always existed, and of course not everyone is going to agree on everything, but so often now I see posts talking about random cool things and people with "who cares", in surprisingly frequent amounts. This is just one example, but I can't help but wonder if IG's shift to become more like TikTok and attract it's audience could have something to do with this? idk
I have definitely noticed this! Especially with the algorithim favoring reels, I feel like the toxicity of the tik tok art community has seeped in. The comments on reels have become sadly similar to tik tok’s ruthless users
I've left a number of discord servers over the last several years because it seemed like nobody could mention liking something, like a game system, without the same brigade of people showing up to derail the conversation into how that thing actually sucks. Every single time. This sounds like the same trend but directed at creatives. What happened to being allowed to like or make things?
@@EchoCian Hivemind mentality, it's sad really. When a group of people don't like something or encourage bullying because it's "funny", then the rest of the entire population will partake in it too for fear of being the next target if they don't. This forms a flock of people who are willing to do this and stomp down anybody in their warpath , and then not only the observers and people partaking in it start believing it's okay and normal, but so do the people getting bullied, and so the cycle continues.
as someone who's main acc for my work is TikTok with 400k following, I've definitely seen how total shit TikTok is for artists 😬
Bullying isnt like something that's seen and ignored, it's something that's accepted as part of the community and seen as endearing and fun to partake in.... you get HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS or even MILLIONS of views jumping on a shit-on trend for "artist of the week to hate"
tiktok has really normalized bullying... The ammount of artist I've seen bullied off tiktok is far too many, and expesically teenagers.
Don’t be afraid to get moderation apps or hit the disable comments button
I've been on TikTok since before it was called TikTok. It used to be called Musically and was catered more toward cosplayers. It used to be a fun place until it essentially became the new Vine. I didn't post on it much when I first started my account but I hardly post at all nowadays partially because of all the toxicity. I never realized just how bad the art community was on there
I have HIGHLY stylized art, and after seeing that other young artists get so much hate, it just pushed me off the platform out of actual fear. I have been tik tok free for almost a year now, and it's a great change! I'm actually happier because I don't have to worry about being harassed or called "Fatherless" everyday or everytime I posted something.
I'm not surprised that the TikTok community is toxic considering TikTok's notoriety.
Lots of people on that platform will find ANYTHING to get unjustifiably pressed over.
There was a house decorator whose whole house is decked out in Disney merch (one of her bathrooms is Little Mermaid themed) and there were people in the comments shaming her for liking Disney. I remember one mean comment saying: "Does your husband not like adults?", insinuating that she is too old to like Disney. And another that says "Tell you're single without telling me you're single." Ironically for that hater, the decorator is married and I wasn't surprised she's married. It shouldn't be surprising if someone is married or single.
As an adult Disney fan, it grinds my gears when ppl view liking Disney as an adult as if it's a crime and unforgivable sin, and by extension, a personal attack against them.
Another instance, a beekeeper TikToker, Texas Bee Works, she shares videos about honey bees and moving bees to new homes to save them. She would always do so without wearing a typical beekeeper suit and lots of ppl assumed she is being careless and reckless not realizing she is a bee expert and understands bee behavior. Some Karens even went as far as to insult her appearance, accusing her of being vain for "showing off her looks" just because she happens to be attractive not realizing she lives in Texas and it's very hot (I know because I live in Texas and the summers feel like living in an oven.)
A lot of my responses to ridiculous people on tiktok, are me mirroring their behavior until they get annoyed and leave me alone. lmao
Lol nice 😂
I once drew Dark Pit in his dark skinned alt from smash and someone tried to flame me in the comments, suggesting that I “made the black character evil” because I “have something to examine” but hehe I’m black. The convo ended wholesome tho.
As someone who is using TikTok to post my art and it’s not letting people grow and it’s a really really toxic community and the reach you can get off of TikTok is absolute bull crap I have posted so many TikToks and I’ve been only getting 1-5 likes so I am really not shocked how bad the community is on there
It's so hard to gorw, but not just grow, trhe algorithm really screws you over, I have 45k followers and my videos barely reach 1k views anymore
@@RingmastersOdyssey I can't even get past 13 followers because my videos just flop each time
@@Dannidraws0_0 What's your @?
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@@Dannidraws0_0 Followed!
The ways reels on Instagram are becoming more and more toxic like Tiktok is terrifying-
For the Cookie Run Kingdom remark. They do know these are gingerbread cookies right? They're not human they're cookies they're inanimate objects. In the story they were literally made to be eaten! The whole story revolves around sweets. Their animals are literally cake and they eat jelly. How someone interprets an inanimate object as a human is entirely up to them. If someone wants to interpret a character from the game having light or dark skin then that's their choice. Cuz that's how they interpret the character in their eyes. But at the end of the day they're all just gingerbread cookies. Cookie is literally in their name and they say that they crumble and they have jam for blood. Seriously they're not human they don't have a race. They're literally sentient food get over yourselves!
I'm pretty sure people just take it as the cookie colour = skin tone, not sure if the devs have said anything about that though
@MidnightCapricon2696 I'm 99% it shouldn't matter anyways imoo.. They are literally COOKIES, GINGERBREAD COOKIES, they don't have a set 'human skincolor '. It's different then redrawing an already existing HUMAN with a SKIN color as a completely different race and skin color.
someone who hates skin color discourse here: yes, they're cookies, but they're meant to be portrayed like human people. sure if one of them has just straight up unnatural dough color whatever they can be portrayed as whatever skin color but i feel like a character being dark-toned would allude to them having a similar skin color as a human. i understand this argument with anything else but when a typically inanimate thing is shown more humanoid than other inanimate characters i think it should pass over to human designs as well. my wording here is probably god awful but i did my best lol
7:46 oh hey i brought this up in my tweet! really appreciate the nuanced angle you're presenting the issue from -- especially with shortform content, entire classes' worth of content is getting shrunk down to 60-second videos and it's just ..... not super helpful imo
This is one of the majority of reasons I stopped using Tiktok
I've never ever got hate on my art, I consider myself very lucky for that.. the worst I got was someone saying "Awful"... but English was thier second language, and they thought it meant "full of awe" as in, it left them in awe.
Damn I really said be here at the 13s mark. Gonna edit this once I finish the video.
Here's that edit. I honestly am a bit weirded out by the tiktok art community. I mostly stay on the side that does story telling or are small businesses instead of art trends, so I haven't encountered it in the same way you have. However, I have seen lots of people who are unsolicited 'critics' on art. It's to a point I'm scared to show an inkling of my artwork at times due to how I deal with criticism as a whole. Others who read this may say I need thicker skin, but most of the people trying to help artists "improve" don't have anyone's best interests at heart.
One thing I hate about the TikTok drawing community is the problem with skin color, people keep complaining saying things like "but why are they light" or "that's not their skin tone" or "it's too much dark" and you really go back to the drawing and there's nothing wrong with being a dark-skinned girl and Latina I came across a TikTok where a girl was talking badly about a day of the dead-themed drawing I really got mad but when I entered I saw in the comments section that many people were defending the drawing (mostly Latin People) I don't really remember what ended up happening with the girl who criticized the drawing of course "Rac1sm0" but I do know that I deleted it at least.
I'm sorry if my comment is not very well understood I'm not very good with English
I'm so glad I quit tiktok like a year or two ago, probably one of the best decisions of my life
I hate hate hate the art community on TikTok. So many nice artists there but also so many toxic people. I’ve been an artist who posts online for 10 years now and I honestly feel like the mood on that app is miserable for me. I’ll stick to my old platforms even if it means some people will never see my art 😢
Yeah same, this is why I remain on deviant art I feel far more comfortable there.
Is pretty dead but that's for the best
Let's not get even started on how you can get perma-banned on the platform for no reason at all and any and all appeals are ignored because of the sheer number of false reports one person can get, especially if the person has a large platform on there.
It's next to impossible to get the banned account back because tiktiok doesn't care to get legitimate human involvement to assess why anyone would be banned. They just leave it to the bots and the bots have no ability to disprove any claims made against a creator.
People have lost thousands of followers this way and those people struggle to pick the pieces back up, or leave the platform entirely.
Ugh THANK YOU for the comment on unsolicited criticism. Can’t wait for that video.
its incredible how every time i notice celestia uploaded i drop everything to watch it like there is literally no other youtuber i do or have ever done this with, celestia actually brightens up my day istg
Random Person: I literally don't wanna be mean, but....
Me: Yes, yes you do. Especially considering you think bullying is justified if they don't do what you want, because apparently not fixing a mistake in a artwork is way worse than bullying someone right?
Fr. I never post my art on tiktok, EVER. I'm already struggling with autistic burnout rn and stress, someone calling my art ugly or "rendering process" would literally crush me.
I've never had a TikTok and never will, and not even because of the literal 'cult of hate' going on in the art community. There are so many videos of dangerous trends that TikTok REFUSES to take down until the LITERAL LAW gets involved, like with the whole ice cream licking fiasco. I mean TH-cam lets SOME of that go, like with fractal wood burning videos until Ann Reardon of How to Cook That spoke up about it, but not to the levels of TikTok. I also have some concerns about TikTok's security concerning accounts and any personal information therein. The only way I'm even exposed to TikTok at this point is TH-cam compilations, mostly in Sssniperwolf's reaction videos.
Another thing is there was this incident about tiktok being so hesitant about creating community guidelines. On youtube you could do comment filters and people in general can dislike comments or report and fight back. On TikTok there's no sense of responsibility because everything feels so fleeting and anonymous
God this case is so goddang disgusting.
Thank you for covering this and making me aware, as I was planning to expand onto other platforms (tik tok, insta, etc) as soon as I was able.
Stuff like this just boils my blood and makes me want to legit lash out.
These people seen absolutely Abhorrent and relentless.
I deleted tiktok a while ago because of the toxicity and immaturity of those on the platform. Who need an app made up of almost entirely of modern teenagers would be immature.
As someone who is semi large on tiktok i absolutely agree with everything in this video! Tiktok is the only platform I've ever had to deal with mass unsolicited advice on because for some reason people don't see it as disrespectful like on other platforms. I also absolutely would argue that tiktok is much more toxic then twitter as someone who is on both- i've seen dozens of artists harassed, doxed, and even followed in public now. you seriously don't want to be tiktoks "artist of the week"
I very briefly was on that radar and ended up having to turn off comments when it got out of hand- I had drawn princess Rosalina and had made a normal video that got around a million views when suddenly my comments sections were full of people saying stuff like, "she looks like a cyclops" "she looks like she has cancer on her face" and eventually turned into people commenting hateful and racist comments to people leaving positive comments which is when I decided to turn the comments off. It didn't bother me until my followers were being attacked but I cant imagine being a younger artist and receiving comments like those.
Yet another day of getting more and more convinced that minors shouldn't be allowed in social media.
Their minds are too easily influenced to be in such environments. Hell, i don't think i even needed to say that cuz it doesn't take more than 1 minute scrolling thru those kind of environments to notice that half of the toxic ppl in there are, in fact, minors that don't actually know what they're doing.
and this kinda behavior online is why I'm TERRIFIED to post my art online
Believe it or not, Clip Studio Paint has a cool feature that allows you to record your art process directly within the program. And it's INCREDIBLY useful for making tiktoks and short-form content out of your art! It was what lead me to funally purchase CSP in April of 2021 (I went woth the annual sub cuz I didn't feel ready to purchase a perpetual license at the time, but I would have most certainly purchased one by now if it weren't for my plans to get an iPad.
Also, luckily, I never had that bad of an experience thus far (and I ship my main OC/sona character with an OG Newgrounds icon character, specifically a schizophrenic assassin with childhood trauma who you may have seen featured in a certain beep boop rhythm game).
I've never seen any toxicity on the art side of TikTok honestly, even the beginner comments are flooded with love and praise, weird how different the sides of art we see
I keep seeing tiktok tutorials that are like "Then I just put this colour where I feel is right." That's not... a tutorial. That doesn't teach anyone where to put shadows, hilights, contrasting colours, etc. If you don't know *why* you put a colour or shade somewhere, maybe don't try to teach other ppl? Share your process for sure, admit u just do what feels right. But don't label that as a *tutorial* and act like you're some pro art tips teacher lol.
this gave me the push to delete tiktok again, hopefully it stays! woo. ♡♡
I also agree that unsolicited criticism is wrong (unless the artist doesn't care), here's why:
1. Like you said, some people are more sensitive about it and are still learning, there's nothing wrong with that.
2. Sometimes a person's criticism is not valid and is extremely biased or rude. They don't take consideration into the artist's feelings. And as for the biased part, the critique's views and opinions aren't always the same as artist's views and opinions. Let's just say the critique says purple and orange don't go together, that's opinion-based, and the artist doesn't have to agree with it, and since it's *their* artwork, *they* get the final say. Just because someone claims something's wrong with their art, it doesn't actually mean there's anything wrong. The artist gets to decide that with their *own* artwork.
3. Alot of people are too quick to criticize the artist's artwork without actually trying to understand them. The artist drew their art the way they did for a reason, instead of just telling them they're wrong how about actually try to understand WHY they did it and what they were going for?
3. Not all artists need critique to improve. Some artists are pretty good at improving their art on their own. Not everyone needs to have someone verbally point out their mistakes.
4. Some artists are already critical about their art, they don't need someone else doing it for them.
I never posted my art on TikToc so I can't exactly speak on that part. Some of my art I'm afraid to post on TikToc because I don't want to get a bunch of mean/unnecessary comments on my Oc x Fell!Sans ship or my OC x Swap!Papyrus ship.
I'm also afraid to post some of those drawings on Amino. Mainly my Oc x Swap!Papyrus ship for some reason lmao.
TOXIC?! Thank God, I was about to walk right in there until now!
it's so sad that so many communities are turning into this as time goes on. I've never been on tiktok, but I have received some troll comments on other platforms and I just roll my eyes and move on, but just knowing that there are kids and beginner artists that are getting a lot of this crap breaks my heart.
so that was why my mom said stay away from tiktok like its unbelievably toxic its insanely toxic bro i wish non toxic and kind people were there
They kind of were. Until the Nsfw Tumblr and former extreme left nutcases from Twitter when it transformed to X (still refuse to name it X) flocked to TikTok. Along with the unfair striking by the platform itself and the platform encouraging predators to roam free (and TikTok SIDING with them), to the moderation being a joke it chased most of the good people off the platform.
Learn art in 1 minute posts have the same vibe as those get rich quick schemes except you don’t waste as much money 💀💀
I made a drawing that i was SUPER DUPER PROUD OF, it was completely out of my comfort zone and It worked out super well. The neck looked a bit weird and so did the jawline, however I loved it. I made an art tiktok to simply share my art. I made a tiktok postibg the image. It got 37 likes and 2 favs and 2 people commented how good it was, however 3 people mocked me and simply bullied it, not giving criticism- simply bullying. Even though I got alot of love for it, those comments made me hate this drawing and i eventually deleted the tiktok from embarassment (maybe im just bad at getting hate comments and if i cant handle them i shouldnt post at all) but still,
no one can hurt my feels about my art anymore after what tiktok did
I agree with your argument. And also I absolutely love your Howl art, Celestia!
Tiktok is what I like to call the twitter of Vine
A lot of the cruelty comes from the age of the people in the app too. Teens and kids unfiltered behave sociopathically and encouraged by this being the norm they just assimilate. That said, Tiktok trending of everything is ruining art, singers have to go viral pressured by their agencies and most art is just refurbished better art from another artist that is not there.
This is very true like right now its a trend going on dogpiling on some kid saying they improved drawing plus size characters. What they shown it didn't look like a plus size character but all the stitches with it is not helping them it's just mocking them and calling them fatphobic for it. Like I understand their reason for not drawing them were iffy but like bullying them jesus christ-
With the stylised eyes at around 22:44 actually made it look like it was from a below angle
Hello, Celestia! Your videos have been very helpful and motivating, thank you!
I remember one time I had a tiktok go somewhat viral in the art tok community. it didn't have actual art (it was about animation unions) but I couldn't get over how so many of the popular comments were focused on my appearance. I was compared to a lot of unattractive white boys that day (I am neither white nor a boy) and while I do have thick skin, something about people's eagerness to point out perceived flaws, compare you unprompted, etc. was extremely offputting. it probably has something to do with art tok's young age as well as the fact that all these kids probably have screen times that would make my eyes water. ergo these are very poorly adjusted, immature individuals who aren't interested in being nice on the internet. definitely do not envy those who are tiktok viral. especially on art tok. lol
I’ve seen so many ppl say to shade w the contrasting color depending on lighting- which is a completely valid way to shade but it directly clashes w my semi real (albeit stylized quite a bit) art
Tiktock is a wretched place indeed. As someone who watched hour long power point presentations of military economics, history, religion or philosophy, something so short is just - how are you supposed to learn anything?
Even if I don't watch the vid because multitasking your vids are still good to listen too
as someone who also has hypermobility ("double-jointedness"), i've always had such a hard time with anatomy and with anatomy tutorials because my joints naturally extend further than they should in pretty much any situation; i don't even hold my pencil "correctly" because the grip doesn't give me enough... grip.
one time i saw a tiktok shaming people who draw “pinterest art” (eyes, flowers, disney princess edits, like 2015-style stuff) and I commented like, “yeah it may seem boring but you can’t just gatekeep art from people??” and they kept flooding me with variations of “oh, did you just learn that word sweetie?” “look at you trying to defend this” “try getting some ✨personality✨” and that was when i stopped putting any faith in people who use tiktok
My biggest problem with Tiktok is the users. This also applies to Twitter too
Sometimes I wonder how both got so toxic in the first place
Omg I love your art in the speed paint, I really look up to you
Thank you for this video.
With that particular example, it felt like the artist was being bullied for no reason (only their art style). Then as people started calling out the bullies, they struggle to come up with justifications for why they were all dogpiling on them in the first place. I have seen stuff like this happen multiple times on Twitter and Tiktok.
I would just like to say that I love the way you shade hair! It's shiny, polished, and reminds me a bit of metal (in a good way)
The tiktok art community is soooooo badly toxic. Legitimately artist have been bullied and harassed out of art all together over the STUPIDEST things.
Not to mention this really weird idea that having a chibi art style somehow makes you a p3do??
Like legitimately. People have been called p3dos just for having a cutesy art style. It's so exhausting
@@lizziescottOnce you find them these accusers turn to be predators themselves projecting onto you (mainly the bullying is from Millennials).
Been accused of tracing multiple times because, people say my art style is not consistent. Even though I always try different ways of drawing because, I get tired of drawing the same thing over and over. And someone also left a comment saying they reversed searched my artwork to prove that it wasn’t mine…yeah I stole my own artwork according to TikTok even though my INSTAGRAM is literally tagged on the profile I upload on.
I tried TikTok, but realized if I had the choice of reliving a high school experience, I wouldn’t do it to myself.😂 I also don’t like watching and making short form videos out of my art.
which social media is the best hub for artists? where are you posting guys your art? I feel like no matter how toxic the art community is over twitter, i cannot let go because just from my observation its the intersection of all art social media.
- a lot of pixiv artists are on twitter
- skeb artists
- deviantart artists
- instagram artists would probably claim their username on twitter too and post as well
- discord artists
- tumblr artists would cross-post as well
- i logged in to artfol app but it so quiet?
- pillowfort paywalled
- ko-fi isnt rly that social-media optimised
- facebook i completely forgot this exist
Where are your comfy social media places, artists??
Discord servers and DA. DA isn't the best (I mean, I think they're becoming pro-NFT) and you kinda have to pick your servers wisely.
Newgrounds
The only place where you don’t deal with annoying dicks and is just a incredibly chill and small place you can just share your creations for fun.
thank god i never got into tiktok, just isnt my thing
I've been drawing for around 5 years and I'm still nowhere near being knowledgeable enough to teach others. I don't understand how people who've been doing it for a couple months can believe they can teach others with any level of efficiency at all
Can you a video about sl33pt4lk? They are on tiktok being mocked right now, they just wanted to practice drawing chubbier characters and now they're being made fun of, their oc is being stolen and shit-
Really enjoying your videos, just found your channel!
I'd be interested in hearing more about giving critique online, because the common opinion seems to have shifted drastically since my early Deviant Art days from 15+ years ago.
When I started posting online circa 2006, while "hate comments" did exist, a thoughtful well-meaning critique was seen as a great thing. Nowadays giving unsolicited advice seems to be very controversial. And while I personally go with the trend (as I don't really see the point of giving advice if the person is not receptive to it), I can't really agree with it. From where I'm standing, the internet is a public place and placing your work on a public arena invites reaction from said public. In this way I see it as no different than bringing an artwork to a public park or something. Doing that and then saying "you voicing an opinion about this piece is rude" is weird to me.
Makes me wonder why people post their art online if they're not open to other people's reactions to said art. It's not wrong per se, I just don't understand the mindset.