Nice printer, i serviced this things for many years when i worked at Canon Netherlands. The 2 covers are for a paperdeck mount. There is a 6gB Toshiba harddrive in it ;-)
Canon provides a windows 10 driver so it should work if you enter an IP address in range of the router in both printerdriver and printers config. But maybe the ethernet card is dead, then you can use the parallel port. Ping the printer to see if it is responding hooked up to a laptop via the RJ45 port and a cat5 cable.The 2.5" HDD is surface mount on the main board IDE style, i can not see it on the video. You can see the bootrom.Ill stil have the latest firmware on my laptop, but only can you flash it with the parallel port, the IR2220 can be flashed using the ethernet card.I think that Dave can make it work if he types in the IP addresses manually. Subnet mask 255.255.255.0It is a very nice machine digsigned in Germany i was told. Parts are easy to get still.
Can you actually ping the copier when it's connected to the network? If you can, the network is working and you probably just have a driver/configuration problem. It's certainly useful to have a machine that can print your schematics on A3 paper.
A driver/config problem is not surprising if he's using W10. I tried to share a printer i donated to a social group on a Windows h8t network and the other PCs just refused to see it. works fine on XP and W7.
Those printers can be a pain in the arse to setup. Would always have to set a static ip then manually install the correct post script drivers. If you can ping it, that's normally a good start. Have fun Dave!
You CAN transport them on a side, but as you said it isn't supposed to be done. Take toner cart out and especially the overflow bottle will help a lot. Nothing says it will be ruined just by doing so, we have had to use all kinds of methods in past (all at our own risk of course)
he had it on for a fair while and it's still doing it camera frame scan having a fix speed, I would say flickering should have some regularity to it I have seen PSU faults that behave like that. that said, fault finding on a video of a thing is less than optimal... I would say, I just don't know
But how much power does it use - assuming you need to leave the thing powered up on standby? I'll bet you end up wheeling it back down to the dumpster... then get told 'you can't leave that thing here!' :-)
ChrisLX200 Standby is more than you'd like it to be, and the deeper sleep is slow to come out of (and still not great).... going off my Canon experiences. You have to find the balance between pissing off users and pissing off the power bills.
I've messed with big laser printers some. Some cool parts in those. I keep thinking it would be neat to link the laser to an ardiono, etc and make a laser lightshow thing with it. We have an HP Laserjet 9000 printer (probably from the late 1990s) that has like 1.3 million pages on it and it was still going. I saw that I was sort of in shock the thing was even still in one piece let alone working.
People use push carts to transport them in India. Rent and wedge for the transporter -1$ But you'll never find one in dumpster, they get repaired and used until they catch fire. Machines from 1980s is still in use
My guess this was bought outright and replaced by a leased one - or the company went bust and the new occupiers of the premises had to cope with clearing it. In Europe if you buy a new copier the store has to take back the old one free of charge. In the states I believe there would be a fee for this so my guess may be skewed by local experience.
I have like 5 of those(various IR models) waiting to be picked clean of goodies. Treasure trove of parts, steppers and the like. Even in death these things are useful. OH, and some parts like the transfer assembly are quite expensive on the resale market provided they aren't cracked or suffer issues. I expect that to end soon tho, the age of the giants is ending. Where i could pick up an entire lot if i was lucky, 4 5 years ago, now it's barely one or two. Made two 3D printers feeders with parts from one, so certainly worth it.
Hey Dave, hope you read youtube comments for these. I couldn't find a forum thread. Is the printer in the right subnet? I saw 192.168.15.50, 255.255.255.0, which isn't a common subnet. subnets are easy: your subnet is basically the network that is your LAN (as opposed the internet [WAN] roughly). you need the IP and the subnet mask. If you use the & operation on them, you get the prefix, which must be the same on all devices in order for them to be in the same subnet (and be able to talk over LAN). In this case, the first 3 octets (the numbers between the dots, since they're each 8 bits) all need to be the same. Consumer routers are typically 192.168.0.x or 192.168.1.x
but if he had the IP address set to 192.168.15.50/24 and his computer was in 192.168.1.0/24 or 192.168.0.0/24, they won't be able to talk. That's the *entire* point of my comment, which you seem to have missed. he even said it might be at the limit of his penguin skills, so he might not know about subnets.
I wonder how often people that threw one of these things away meet Dave in the elevator while he is transporting them up from the dumpster. I would like to see their faces.
I have one of the colour versions of these machines. I got it free when we upgraded our fleet of 340 of them. The one I got had only 1100 copies on it - as it was a spare. It's very cheap to run...
thats an extremely bad idea. if they still functioned after that, you got very lucky. I would expect the entire inside of the machine to be coverd in toner, at least. Copier tech with 20 years experience.
I usually avoid copiers as the print heads are usually clogged. Rule of thumb... If it has been used once, and put in storage, the heads are at least partially clogged. However, I haven't experienced the same problem with B&W machines, like yours.
The Win10 driver is not surprising. Up until very recently, I was using old Canon Gp 160(or something like that). A mohochrome A3 printer/copier from the late 90'. It worked just fine under Windows 10, using 64bit Windows 7 driver :D
There should be a very nice lens in the scanner that you can Dremel out, and it can be used as a loupe on steroids (it has planar field, which normal loupes don't have, and very wide field of view). Be sure to salvage that one. It can save you a trip to the Mantis if you quickly want to check a resistor value or something.
check your ethernet cables make sure it's set to 10 t-base for te port used by the printer( under the router menu) because it may try to sync at 1,000 or 100 which may not be supported by the printer
from the copy screen, press "additional functions", then press 2&8 buttons at the same time, then "additional functions" again, That should get you into service mode for that machine.
well, i suppose if your office was exceptionally windy, putting the paper in the paperweight would work even better. Less convenient, and I don't know why his office is in a wind tunnel, but extreme conditions call for extreme measures.
dave if you have issues with moving it.why not take cart from home and lift it somehow into there.then you can use elvator and put it in your car (IF YOUR OFFICE HAS ELEVATOR)
Looks like the older brother of the copiers we replaced this week at my office. Ours had about 550k copies on them after 4 years. The office next door had 1.6 million in that same amount of time. Despite being extremely noisy finishers and kind of slow, they sure were reliable. The new Savins we got have the absolute worst interface. Basically ran off of an Android tablet affixed to the front of the machine.
Canon does not make the parts for this anymore ... feed kits I have in my car, I repair these for a living... if you use it and have any questions let me know...
Use a static IP address, set the gateway address to your router, set mask to 255.255.255.0 and then use the IP address to print to it, you may need original software from canon for correct drivers, otherwise it cannot communicate with the printer.
To get it on the network, turn off DHCP and give it a fixed IP not in your router's DHCP range. When you load the driver you can manually input the IP address if the driver can't find the printer automatically. The driver or an included utility should find the printer.
Weird this power supply thing only seems to effect the display and not make it unstable. You can make a music video of dumping it off that tower wall and in slow motion breaking apart from various angles. Just joking.
If you use any newer ubuntu or fedora there are no penguins skills required Dave, try the beta of 17.10 it autodetected my Borther network printer without even going to the settings
I have to agree with others here...If you decide its not worth keeping it, then tear it apart and have a good rummage around inside the thing. You could probably get a few videos out of it :)
If it doesn't work with Win10, you can still make it work, just set up a Linux CUPS server, probably work out of the box, add samba, and Win10 will see it and use it just fine.
Couldn't you just connect a cheap centronics port print server? Those things aren't worth anything anymore and should work just fine. I have a couple of those HP JetDirect ones laying around, but shipping them to you would probably cost more than what they're actually worth. Otherwise they would already be in the mail by now. I believe that they're still selling some of those (different brand though) in China, if you want a brand new one.
PIXscotland They get worse than Canon. Try a Lanier.... Errors mostly consist of "Error ". No codes, no descriptions. The only time I saw an error that explained itself was "Paper jam"... it took a packet capture to work out why it couldn't email, and I didn't even bother diagnosing the time it stopped saving to a file share (they decided to just use emails since that was working).
tare it down and mod it in to a working project would be am amazing vid to see how you would go about modding reclaimed parts in to something working XD
remove and re connect the ethernet network card, also check for bent pins in the NIC. check to make sure there is not an admin control panel that requires a password, usually 00000000. or 12345678. you can google other defaults. a lot of times they lock changing the network or machine config until you log in as admin or service account.
Where I live I think it's against the law to toss stuff like this in the garbage, although people still do it. A EEVblog tear down might be fun, but the real genius of these machines isn't really the electronics as much as the mechanicals and being able to pass the paper all around. With that sorry screen, it already had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. When the network IF gave out, they probably compared the replacement part cost/availability to a new machine, which likely offered better resolution and color and automatic ball scratchers, and just went for the new one.
I bet you can actually erase the counters and do much more crazy stuff. All these machines have hidden service menus which are not even known by normal servicing companies. At least for ricoh and konica minolta I know it for sure.
our neighbours once threw out a samsung full color laser printer worth 400 bucks because some paper got moist and jammed in there... works like new with half filled toner cartridges. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I would LOVE to tear down one of these machines. I really enjoyed your extreme copier teardown video EEVblog #303. This copier does have a built-in hard drive. I found this video th-cam.com/video/LbeUSDm1yWY/w-d-xo.html I can see the hard drive but cannot make out where on the machine it is because the video is shot vertically. Why can't people shoot sideways? i don't get it, maybe they think their phone is a flip camera.
so bad cant even watch a video in 144p cause it buffers every 5 seconds did a speed test of my internet and I'm getting 450ms 0.7mbps down and 0.6upload
Surprising you found one that large thrown away. Most companies these days lease copiers & printers and pay by the page.
Some of the ones I've worked on separate the trays from the printer for transport. Might be possible to get it in the car that way
When you were going through the settings you saw a "NetWare" option, you probably need to change it, since it may be still configured for Novell!
Austin Sera beat me to it
Thanks, will try that.
Ends up, not winds up.
I remember that machine, we had the exact same one at my old work place. It's amazing how bad displays they put into those machines - ever newer ones!
Memories. I worked on the first network manageable ones at Canon. A few years before this one. That was fun.
Any interesting documents still in the memory? ^^
Is "whatnot" your new favorite word?
FlyingMoose arrrrgh you noticed too.
Nice printer, i serviced this things for many years when i worked at Canon Netherlands. The 2 covers are for a paperdeck mount. There is a 6gB Toshiba harddrive in it ;-)
Canon provides a windows 10 driver so it should work if you enter an IP address in range of the router in both printerdriver and printers config. But maybe the ethernet card is dead, then you can use the parallel port. Ping the printer to see if it is responding hooked up to a laptop via the RJ45 port and a cat5 cable.The 2.5" HDD is surface mount on the main board IDE style, i can not see it on the video. You can see the bootrom.Ill stil have the latest firmware on my laptop, but only can you flash it with the parallel port, the IR2220 can be flashed using the ethernet card.I think that Dave can make it work if he types in the IP addresses manually. Subnet mask 255.255.255.0It is a very nice machine digsigned in Germany i was told. Parts are easy to get still.
lot of "what not" in the last videos.... maybe let's make an "what not" counter....
where did this "whatnot" came from? nobody was using it until couple of months ago
From the internetz and what not, obviously!
So many nice parts in this thing.
Can you actually ping the copier when it's connected to the network?
If you can, the network is working and you probably just have a driver/configuration problem.
It's certainly useful to have a machine that can print your schematics on A3 paper.
A driver/config problem is not surprising if he's using W10. I tried to share a printer i donated to a social group on a Windows h8t network and the other PCs just refused to see it. works fine on XP and W7.
I've grown more and more bitter as Dave finds more and more useful and or valuable equipment in the dumpster.
Those printers can be a pain in the arse to setup. Would always have to set a static ip then manually install the correct post script drivers. If you can ping it, that's normally a good start. Have fun Dave!
Can't you split it for transport? Sometimes the basic unit is just the top part and the original feeder, duplexer and paper trays are bolt on extras.
You CAN transport them on a side, but as you said it isn't supposed to be done. Take toner cart out and especially the overflow bottle will help a lot. Nothing says it will be ruined just by doing so, we have had to use all kinds of methods in past (all at our own risk of course)
Don't turn it on, TAKE IT APART!
I wonder how far is the office from the lab? Were there no spaces available for use as an office in the lab building?
Flickering lights, I would say it has a case of bad caps. possible reason for screen glitch and network card failure
LateNightHacks that's normal for laser printers, they draw a lot of current when heating up the fuser
It's normal. That's just the LED flicker being picked up by the camera. I doubt it's even noticeable with the naked eye.
he had it on for a fair while and it's still doing it
camera frame scan having a fix speed, I would say flickering should have some regularity to it
I have seen PSU faults that behave like that. that said, fault finding on a video of a thing is less than optimal... I would say, I just don't know
Chris Sutton, exactly right. The LEDs are multiplexed.
Nope, that's the camera shutter speed vs the LED PWM rate.
But how much power does it use - assuming you need to leave the thing powered up on standby? I'll bet you end up wheeling it back down to the dumpster... then get told 'you can't leave that thing here!' :-)
ChrisLX200
Standby is more than you'd like it to be, and the deeper sleep is slow to come out of (and still not great).... going off my Canon experiences.
You have to find the balance between pissing off users and pissing off the power bills.
These go to sleep pretty quick. Almost every time you go to use them they have to wake and warm up again. Usually those intervals are configurable
I've messed with big laser printers some. Some cool parts in those. I keep thinking it would be neat to link the laser to an ardiono, etc and make a laser lightshow thing with it. We have an HP Laserjet 9000 printer (probably from the late 1990s) that has like 1.3 million pages on it and it was still going. I saw that I was sort of in shock the thing was even still in one piece let alone working.
People use push carts to transport them in India. Rent and wedge for the transporter -1$
But you'll never find one in dumpster, they get repaired and used until they catch fire. Machines from 1980s is still in use
My guess this was bought outright and replaced by a leased one - or the company went bust and the new occupiers of the premises had to cope with clearing it.
In Europe if you buy a new copier the store has to take back the old one free of charge. In the states I believe there would be a fee for this so my guess may be skewed by local experience.
The magic smoke ESCAPED
I have like 5 of those(various IR models) waiting to be picked clean of goodies. Treasure trove of parts, steppers and the like. Even in death these things are useful. OH, and some parts like the transfer assembly are quite expensive on the resale market provided they aren't cracked or suffer issues. I expect that to end soon tho, the age of the giants is ending. Where i could pick up an entire lot if i was lucky, 4 5 years ago, now it's barely one or two. Made two 3D printers feeders with parts from one, so certainly worth it.
Hey Dave, hope you read youtube comments for these. I couldn't find a forum thread.
Is the printer in the right subnet? I saw 192.168.15.50, 255.255.255.0, which isn't a common subnet. subnets are easy: your subnet is basically the network that is your LAN (as opposed the internet [WAN] roughly). you need the IP and the subnet mask. If you use the & operation on them, you get the prefix, which must be the same on all devices in order for them to be in the same subnet (and be able to talk over LAN). In this case, the first 3 octets (the numbers between the dots, since they're each 8 bits) all need to be the same. Consumer routers are typically 192.168.0.x or 192.168.1.x
but if he had the IP address set to 192.168.15.50/24 and his computer was in 192.168.1.0/24 or 192.168.0.0/24, they won't be able to talk. That's the *entire* point of my comment, which you seem to have missed. he even said it might be at the limit of his penguin skills, so he might not know about subnets.
I wonder how often people that threw one of these things away meet Dave in the elevator while he is transporting them up from the dumpster. I would like to see their faces.
I have one of the colour versions of these machines. I got it free when we upgraded our fleet of 340 of them. The one I got had only 1100 copies on it - as it was a spare. It's very cheap to run...
stepper motor heaven.
Stick it in the car anyway, not losing much if it breaks
How far is your office from the lab? You could just take it for a walk, it is on wheels. =)
they still have one of these at my work
Pffft, they transport fine on their side. Moved a few from Brisbane to Dubbo in the back of a Falcon station wagon.....
thats an extremely bad idea. if they still functioned after that, you got very lucky. I would expect the entire inside of the machine to be coverd in toner, at least. Copier tech with 20 years experience.
Give less fucks and you'll have a copier that will outlive you. Dave would otherwise bin it, so who cares?
I usually avoid copiers as the print heads are usually clogged. Rule of thumb... If it has been used once, and put in storage, the heads are at least partially clogged.
However, I haven't experienced the same problem with B&W machines, like yours.
Looks like there might be a dodgy capacitor in the interface controller/lv PSU.
The Win10 driver is not surprising. Up until very recently, I was using old Canon Gp 160(or something like that). A mohochrome A3 printer/copier from the late 90'. It worked just fine under Windows 10, using 64bit Windows 7 driver :D
I noticed your network scanner was online.. it must be offline to allow printing. press scan, then offline..Great machines.. cheap to run
Lots of electromechanical goodies inside of those, just got to look at what Tim Hunkin does with the parts to see what they can do... :)
I didn't know this man, thank you !
@twocvbloke: Link?
th-cam.com/video/uzWi0dAxYOs/w-d-xo.html
www.timhunkin.com/control/f_engineering_index.htm
@Michel: Sorry, but underwhelming.
he also did a series called "the secret life of machines" th-cam.com/video/KDpNQQqdSh8/w-d-xo.html
You should take it apart for the stepper motors and turn it into a 3d printer.
There should be a very nice lens in the scanner that you can Dremel out, and it can be used as a loupe on steroids (it has planar field, which normal loupes don't have, and very wide field of view). Be sure to salvage that one. It can save you a trip to the Mantis if you quickly want to check a resistor value or something.
you could use a Ethernet to Parralel adapter to get it connected to the network
That copier is a true work horse. The need very little. I have one with over 2 million sheets.
check your ethernet cables make sure it's set to 10 t-base for te port used by the printer( under the router menu) because it may try to sync at 1,000 or 100 which may not be supported by the printer
from the copy screen, press "additional functions", then press 2&8 buttons at the same time, then "additional functions" again, That should get you into service mode for that machine.
I have one of these in my office (iR3100). Great paperweight. Not good for much else.
You're doing it wrong... you're meant to put paperweights on paper, not put paper in paperweights.
well, i suppose if your office was exceptionally windy, putting the paper in the paperweight would work even better. Less convenient, and I don't know why his office is in a wind tunnel, but extreme conditions call for extreme measures.
Oh! It reminds me of photocopier extreme teardown...
dave if you have issues with moving it.why not take cart from home and lift it somehow into there.then you can use elvator and put it in your car (IF YOUR OFFICE HAS ELEVATOR)
Dave, surely you have a mate with a ute?!?! I thought that was a given if your an Aussie?
Looks like the older brother of the copiers we replaced this week at my office. Ours had about 550k copies on them after 4 years. The office next door had 1.6 million in that same amount of time. Despite being extremely noisy finishers and kind of slow, they sure were reliable.
The new Savins we got have the absolute worst interface. Basically ran off of an Android tablet affixed to the front of the machine.
Maybe you can make it smaller by removing some papertrays. Often these are modular and just stapeld on each other like our brother does.
i think the best thing you can do with that is wheel it right back where it came from!
Afair it needs to be restarted for the new network settings to activate.
2:40 you forgot to link in down below in the description
th-cam.com/video/WSxEGgrvhMM/w-d-xo.html
Lol someone threw that imagerunner out. I want it
Canon does not make the parts for this anymore ... feed kits I have in my car, I repair these for a living... if you use it and have any questions let me know...
Use a static IP address, set the gateway address to your router, set mask to 255.255.255.0 and then use the IP address to print to it, you may need original software from canon for correct drivers, otherwise it cannot communicate with the printer.
To get it on the network, turn off DHCP and give it a fixed IP not in your router's DHCP range. When you load the driver you can manually input the IP address if the driver can't find the printer automatically. The driver or an included utility should find the printer.
Weird this power supply thing only seems to effect the display and not make it unstable. You can make a music video of dumping it off that tower wall and in slow motion breaking apart from various angles. Just joking.
I would not be surprised if someday he found a full size Ferrari in a dumpster.
8:58... You could do a giveaway and send it out by Mail... :whistle:
If you use any newer ubuntu or fedora there are no penguins skills required Dave, try the beta of 17.10 it autodetected my Borther network printer without even going to the settings
I have to agree with others here...If you decide its not worth keeping it, then tear it apart and have a good rummage around inside the thing. You could probably get a few videos out of it :)
Already done a video doing that
The function selection lights shouldn't be flickering either.
It's the camera doing that
If it doesn't work with Win10, you can still make it work, just set up a Linux CUPS server, probably work out of the box, add samba, and Win10 will see it and use it just fine.
Couldn't you just connect a cheap centronics port print server? Those things aren't worth anything anymore and should work just fine. I have a couple of those HP JetDirect ones laying around, but shipping them to you would probably cost more than what they're actually worth. Otherwise they would already be in the mail by now.
I believe that they're still selling some of those (different brand though) in China, if you want a brand new one.
I have to use one of those every day at work. Awful device. Worse interface.
PIXscotland
They get worse than Canon. Try a Lanier.... Errors mostly consist of "Error ". No codes, no descriptions. The only time I saw an error that explained itself was "Paper jam"... it took a packet capture to work out why it couldn't email, and I didn't even bother diagnosing the time it stopped saving to a file share (they decided to just use emails since that was working).
Former Canon copier technician here... Dave, put that thing back by the dumpster where it belongs. Not worth the time or money to keep it running.
HP CM1415 Labled Canon Imageprograf Photocopy
Just a useless paper weight, not sure if anything worth taking out? Maybe some stepper motors
I found 3 of these
Where's this dumpster... Lol
tare it down and mod it in to a working project would be am amazing vid to see how you would go about modding reclaimed parts in to something working XD
remove and re connect the ethernet network card, also check for bent pins in the NIC. check to make sure there is not an admin control panel that requires a password, usually 00000000. or 12345678. you can google other defaults. a lot of times they lock changing the network or machine config until you log in as admin or service account.
Where I live I think it's against the law to toss stuff like this in the garbage, although people still do it. A EEVblog tear down might be fun, but the real genius of these machines isn't really the electronics as much as the mechanicals and being able to pass the paper all around.
With that sorry screen, it already had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. When the network IF gave out, they probably compared the replacement part cost/availability to a new machine, which likely offered better resolution and color and automatic ball scratchers, and just went for the new one.
Don't u have a friend or know someone with a ute slip em some beer or dinner 🙂 either way lots of fun can be done with these
Another EEVBlog give away Dave lol ship to the UK hahaha
But where is your dumpster ?
We had one of that family at the place I used to work.... awful interface :p
Not wrong!
I bet you can actually erase the counters and do much more crazy stuff. All these machines have hidden service menus which are not even known by normal servicing companies. At least for ricoh and konica minolta I know it for sure.
Push it down some stairs please!!!!!
Sam B Or perhaps do an Office Space. PC Load Letter, what the fuck does that mean!?
our neighbours once threw out a samsung full color laser printer worth 400 bucks because some paper got moist and jammed in there... works like new with half filled toner cartridges. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sell the fuser! They're as rare as rocking horse s**t.
also see if you can ping it on the network if so it uses a pcl driver, I can send it to you .... 32 or 64 bit
Teardown!
take the toner and developer out and then you can tip it on its side... let me know and I can tell you how to do it...
A child in Africa could use that for their TPS reports!
dam I could use such a machine to bad it's on the wrong Pacific island
Take it to the Dam !
Bunnings ute $25/hour.
If you can use the parts I'd do that. Otherwise whack it on ebay.
Take it apart :P
I would LOVE to tear down one of these machines. I really enjoyed your extreme copier teardown video EEVblog #303. This copier does have a built-in hard drive.
I found this video th-cam.com/video/LbeUSDm1yWY/w-d-xo.html
I can see the hard drive but cannot make out where on the machine it is because the video is shot vertically. Why can't people shoot sideways? i don't get it, maybe they think their phone is a flip camera.
its a right old peace of junk ....lol
It looks very toshiba like
7
ewwww get a xerox
so bad cant even watch a video in 144p cause it buffers every 5 seconds did a speed test of my internet and I'm getting 450ms 0.7mbps down and 0.6upload