The Ultimate Tesla Supercharger Stress Test! Free EV Charging For Everyone In Europe
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ส.ค. 2023
- Kyle and Alyssa head out from Wolfsburg in a VW ID.3 to hit as many Tesla Supercahrgers as they can during a unique time where Tesla Europe made Supercharging free for all EV drivers! They want to see how a larger than usual amount of traffic can impact the EV driver experience, from charge port location on a bunch of different makes and models to free charging disincentivizing home charging.
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ID3 needs to come to NA, and ID2.All as well. We love our 2023 ID4
The SuC on the Autobahn A2 from Dortmund to Hannover were 100% full that day, also heavy use on the way to Berlin. Thats the most stressed route here in Germany. East west main route, few SuC and lots of traffic. Other SuC in city locations were also 100% crowded, but most of the chargers were 50-60%, so always available. Indeed a stress test, use has never been that high. No power plant was on fire, no SuC melted, what a success. And not only in Germany, in all EU countries. SuC net is 100% reliable, using it now for 6 years on my trips through europe.
Please tell VW execs to Bring the ID3 to america. Would by one today if it was available
Why?
Just get a tesla model 3. It's much better car at about same cost.
Agreed 👍🏽 would take one over my bolt
@@tonyn3227 ID 3 has better build quality and has better ride quality compared to Model 3. Also very practical than Model 3: roomier cabin, superior turning radius, larger boot opening being hatchback.
@@jonpetter8921 yeah right
In. Your non professional opinion. But that's not what other million model 3 owners think. Id.3 is overpriced piece of crap
38:00 I think you were on the A2 near Burg. During the day, a truck loaded with formaldehyde rammed the end of the traffic jam and a truck loaded with nitrous oxide containers then drove into it. When both trucks started to burn, there was a huge fireworks display. The A2 was closed in both directions until the next day. The road towards Wolfsburg is blocked for a longer period because the concrete at the fire site has to be replaced.
Kyle and Alisa perfectly fits for europe content, please guys to stay much longer here, soo interesting videos you creating for ev community, thanks guys 🙏
Longer cables in V4 will certainly allow more non-teslas to charge easily.
In the USA fossil fuel dispensers adapt to all vehicles by using longer cables and by using drive-through lanes at the dispensers.
Tesla only has to place the dispensers towards the middle between 2 parkingspaces, so the cable can reach the front and the back. Those who have the chargepot on the left, back in, those who have it on the right, drive forward in.
@@Bud_Terence Are there any cars besides Tesla that have the charging port on the left? I remember reading that one of the big problems is Tesla is not set up for on-street parallel parking, unless you are in a country that drives on the left.
Should bring that ID3 here. Nice looking.
When you are loosing money on the every vehicle sold you need to limit it to markets where it is a must.
Why would anyone buy any vehicle from VW after the diesel scandal?
I would love one in the US
@@205rider8Did you miss VW ID is electric?
@@205rider8VW is second largest car maker in the world so keep crying
V4 Superchargers went live in the U.K. at Tottenham this week and they also have contactless payment devices on them.
In Sweden it was pretty crowded in the supercharger closest to Stockholm. We don’t have any in the citycenter. I had to wait for about 5 minutes so not to bad.
I went at lunchtime at the one near my office (near Venice) and nearly nobody was there. Going home in the evening I could see it was full 👀
A bit of correction for 6:35, you were not in the middle of Germany, more like middle of Eastern Germany. The light part is the current range of the car, not the entire Geman state, that spans beyong the lower edge of the screen 😀
Na, mit den Geographiekenntnissen zu Deutschland ist es ja bei Ihnen nicht weit her. Bitte nochmal genau hinsehen und die westliche Grenze von Sachsen-Anhalt mit dem Mittelpunkt der ehemaligen DDR vergleichen.
During our holidays in France we used Tesla as they were cheaper than all others. Problem was that you need the cable on the right side for an Enyaq, but all the Teslas need the cable on the left. Just as you said. So we had some problems to find two free parking spots to used on charger. We did not make friends with Tesla drivers by that.
Kyle, in 1974 I took my wife and two sons from England to Finland and back on a motorcycle and sidecar. We had no problem finding English' speakers in Germany or any other Northern European country. Germans are not ignorant Americans most are multi lingual. I'm amazed that you have been there more than once and don't know that. You are missing a lot!
I was travelling back home across the UK on the day of the free charging. Stopped twice to charge with no need to queue, one station was definitely open to all cars as there was a P2 there.
Btw, I had no idea in advance about the free charging and was puzzled at the time.
U had a lucky day😆
Used free supercharger in UK on Tuesday. No queue. Happy 10th anniversary to Tesla supercharger in Europe.
US-based Tesla Model 3 owner here traveling in Germany with a rental e-tron (left front charge port) for 3.5 weeks. Mostly charged at Tesla SuC because of convenience and cost. Most non-Tesla chargers I used were 79 or 89 cents/kWh, while the Teslas with subscription were ~33 cents. That’s a huge difference with a thirsty e-torn. One simple solution to the taking two stalls problem would be to have a car parking spot next to each left-most SuC stall in each row for e-trons and such to use, or even have an occasional empty parking spot between Tesla chargers. About half of the 7-8 SuC I used in Germany had one of those extra parking spots, but the others did not. I did once ask a Model Y owner if he could move his car to a different charger so I could use the stall at the end that had a regular parking spot next to it so I could charge, because every other stall was occupied by a Tesla making it impossible for me to charge otherwise. He was very nice and moved for me. At another SuC the two spots I could have used by parking in the (wide) approach lane were occupied by Teslas, with only single stalls available that I could not use. One of those two drivers had just pulled in and walked off, and the other was not willing to move. I ended up charging at a non-Tesla charger behind the SuC but had problems with getting it to work, as was often the case. in this case it was because my WISE MC debit card’s contactless payment limit had been exceeded, but there was no keypad to enter a PIN, and no information what the error was until I checked my WISE app later. I finally tried a different card and it worked. Btw, the whole 3.5 weeks in Germany I only ever saw one other non-Tesla car charging at a Tesla SuC. I even had a id4 owner come up to me asking how I was able to charge at Tesla.
I’m all for free DC fast charging up-to 80%, then bill per minute to encourage travelers to move on to the next stop
Thanks guys!
I never use Superchargers….and power is free at my home every day🥰
Greetings from SoCal😎
Berlin is surrounded by Brandenburg from all sides ;)
I always see Teslas using non Tesla charges so I don't want to hear them whining about having to share theirs
But do Teslas take up two stalls when doing that? This is my only concern with non-Teslas at SCs until Tesla adds longer cables or other EV makers move their ports.
Very based take, they take all of the j1772 free public spots
😂 You did the e.off experience first hand. Here in Germany people try to avoid this network under all circumstances. e.on is a synonym for abysmal reliability.
In France we have the Total-Energy stations that are begining to become the "no-go-to" network :D
As for me, with my e-GMP Ioniq 6, I would not be able to charge at Tesla anyway… I wonder if the people having them are aware of that tesla-hyundai/kia bug.
@@timovneerdenwhat bug?
@@FernandoMiguel Tesla chargers can’t charge some 800 V cars, including eGMP. It just tops at very low speeds (like 50-60 kW), if it starts charging at all. Tesla and Hyundai are rejecting the fault on one another for over a year now.
Id buy an iD3 if they came here to the States, shame...
I don't get it, people love the Volt over there, the ID.3 is an awesome car.
@@sexpistill The id3 would need to actually sell, which the golf/jetta did not in the US.
@@sprockketsICE vs EV totally different beasts. The ID3 would sell like hot cakes in Canada mainly in Quebec like it did with the Golf before they decided to axe it and replace it with the Taos SUV like car........
@@therock3181 Even Tesla sells so few M3 vs MY now. Which I bet they'll never bother refreshing the Y because they can't even stop sales of it to switch over.
Wish we could sell here in US nice cute compact cars as the ID3, and not only big fat ass pickup trucks and SUV's
Thanks Kyle and Alyssa! What a wonderful treat!! I was excited to hear about Tesla’s brilliant free charging celebration in Europe and was sad that I didn’t think I’d see detailed coverage of it. Thanks so much. I loved the whole video, even Alyssa’s catching a dog and it’s owner on a stroll in the rain 😅. Lotsa love to all from Toronto ❤❤❤
Also used the Free charging at 2 different locations in the Netherlands... both had lots of available stalls, but more non-tesla's (kia niro myself)
Very busy day in Denmark. I was on a trip and took my EV6 to a site with 16 stalls. There were 2 cars in line before me. I didn’t even know it was free until I plugged in and it showed free. The app didn’t say it was free. A Tesla owner asked me why there were so many cars, she didn’t know. 2/3 were Tesla. I got to the next site at 10 PM. About 4 of 26 stalls free, we were just 2 non-Tesla. A guy told me there had been a long line at rush hour.
Maybe an explanation: many EV’s are company cars in Germany (like here in Belgium) and many of those have a RFID card from the company so the employee can charge for free… and these cannot be used on Tesla Superchargers.
Thanks Kyle, was a fun ride around to see the different experiences in a non-Tesla on charge day. Definitely looking forward to things opening up here in the USA and seeing how things go.
They are currently adding more Tesla superchargers at my Merrillville grocery store in Merrillville, Indiana, so I'm assuming that after that's done, they're going to open them up to all of us because there's going to be about 20 of them there, which is like insane because there's barely any electric cars in Indiana
Man, Autostadt, Braunschweig and all this… remembers me of a school trip I did when I was young. I live in France, but we went abroad for 10 days to Braunschweig. Was nice, but I was 13 at the time, it was 20 years ago. I wan’t to go to Germany now, and check everything out.
The UK i charged my niro EV at my nearest open supercharger. A 6 stall. It had access to both side so a German Mach e and I parked on the back side, allowing teslas to park on the front side. About 60% occupancy at lunchtime, and 60% teslas.
I charged in the Berlin (central one you have been) Supercharger in the parking garage and stayed for 45 minutes in total ... no charge for parking
Fascinating! Be great to see you do a run in Norway - people need to see that charging works (or doesn’t ) when there is a predominance of new EVs. And I can’t wait to see the ID3 review - what a fun car!
Amazing video Kyle. Really appreciate it.
You drove right in front of my Home in Dallgow-Döberitz into Berlin on to the Heerstraße. Its cool to see this in your Video, i keep my eyes open if i see you again 😅
You were not in the middle of Germany...
the ID Navigation highlights the reach on the map ..... you will be always close to the middle 🎉
Another great video! I am happy that you are able to travel to Germany, and see so much of the world.
Perhaps being able to charge quickly rather than waiting in a queue was worth paying for to the Enyaq driver?
It seems like having the Level 4 dispenser located in the middle of the stall instead of on the side in the stall. The only change from a hardware side would be installing longer cables. This way all stalls would be free .
Kyle would be Cinderfella (1960 movie starring Jerry Lewis).
There have been cars with the fuel port behind a taillight......back in the day. I've never understood why fuel ports on every vehicle aren't on the drivers side. I would guess that well above 90% of fueling is done by the driver.
Agreed re: longer cables, Kyle, or......BYOC.
I definitely prefer the fuel door on the passenger side. The walking around is a non issue. If it's on the driver's side, there's more chance to ding your door on the pump or concrete posts. You get close so others can drive around you, then you need to squeeze out your door trying not to hit it on things. Never an issue when the filler is on the passenger side. I love it.
Charging at Tesla SuC is currently one of the cheapest, if not the cheapest, option to charge in Germany. Even if you don't own a Tesla and don't pay the monthly fee. Tesla charges ~50 cents max (depending on the location) currently, wheres the cheapest other option that works across the country would be EWE (59 cents on own stations and 64 on others, including ionity, without monthly fee) or EnBW (49 cents on own stations and 57 cents on others, but with 6€ monthly fee).
Tesla already increased prices.
In Munich both city center locations with paid parking had wait times at night. I guess you were a bit early at the one in Berlin before ppl got off work or found out late.
Most Tesla drivers went to the EUREF Campus Supercharger, because there was some event. They had a NIO et7, a Lucid Air, some megawatt-charging stuff, and a lot of food. This supercharger is not open to other EVs, but there are a lot of charging options for other EVs, too.
the "EOFF" station lol! I had some similar experiences here in Germany with this particular station network
Kitchen's closed at 8:30 LOL here in Spain they are barely open, most restaurants don't open for dinner until 9pm.
The own cable idea is great... So many purposely damaged cables in the US
They need to put dye into the cables, so they can detect who is cutting them. They put dye on the fire alarms in schools, and can use a black light to determine who pulled the alarm, because it shows up clearly, and is difficult to wash off. If the dye smells, all the better to discourage damage to the cables.
@@Kangenpower7 it’s different when it’s a contained place like a school.
So they put dye in them and they drive away. You’re not finding them still.
No blackout at all here in Germany...😊😊😊
It amazing how many charging options they have in Europe. Here in US everything except Tesla SC network just sucks
VW should build and sell the ID3 to North America.
Norway in summer was packed with non-teslas in my experience.
I'm at 2:21 and before I dive into this great video idea, I want to take a guess. I suspect it will only be a small bump in SC traffic because only a small fraction of EVs are on a road-trip at any point in time. And of those who are traveling may still prefer a non-Tesla charge point out of convenience.
Great video, it was great you timed the free supercharging date. What is the range Tesla charges per kWh for supercharging in Europe?
Live in Iceland, charged at my job yesterday paying 20 US cents per kWh yesterday. Wish I had known I could take my car for free charging yesterday but oh well
In Finland most Tesla owners charge at ABC gas stations, since they are cheaper. Some places they have superchargers in the same parking lot. It’s almost annoying since they take “our” chargers 😂
Managed to get 40kWh into my M3 LR RWD in UK yesterday…for free. Was a real PITA with non Teslas blocking spaces , empty spaces but no chargers all due to side charging of different makes and cables not reaching etc. Saw a Tesla turn away as 2 unused chargers couldn’t be accessed and people trying to get 100%! 🤬🤬🤬
Not representative of course, people wouldn’t usually hang around to high SOC unless it was free.
The first Berlin charger in the video is not the best if you need a long charging session. They charge you for parking once you exceed 45 minutes. The entrance is also very tight.
Interesting video! Kyle, if you can, test drive the MG4! I just test drove it last weekend and it was a fun car to drive. Not beating Model 3, but price is also 10-15k cheaper. The 64kWh version also seems to have superb charging speed, it only tops at 140 kW, but it stays over 100kW until around 60% before it starts dropping.
Streetparking: chargeport on the passenger side for security reasons. MEB platform cars often used as rental cars / shared cars. VW has one of the biggest fleets in Germany ;-)
unfortunalty, for MEB-Entry, they change it so that the charge port is in the front on the drivers side. so it looses that security aspect and messes with tesla stations. not sure why Volkswagen decided to do that.
Interesting video thx! How about solving the having to use two bays challenge, by Tesla or the individual car manufacturers supplying an extender cable with a female port at one end and a male plug at the other?
The EU has for once done something good and made everyone use CCS.
But Tesla really screwed up their charger design by making the cable so short. It wouldn't have cost that much tp just make the cable longer. But oh no, they made it as short as possible so it could be so minimalist. Glad they're finally chabging that with the v4 Superchargers.
Toen Tesla de chargeren ontwierpen was geen rekening gehouden dat er in de toekomst ook andere merken gingen laden omdat de andere merken het totaal fout aanpakten. Dus Tesla heeft het niet verneukt maar jullie eigen merk! En wees blij dat je nu kan laden bij een goed netwerk. Of koop ook een Tesla net als ik. 🎉
@@Overdiedaf100% this 👍👍
In the UK. I was watching the app and every "open to all" SC went to full with waiting > 15 minutes from 12:00 onwards.
Not the case in cardiff or Newport, I watched the status. Cardiff did go to full a couple of times but I never saw Newport full, 2 was the worst. Of course….when you got there they were ‘full’ as blocked by non teslas and charging ports on the ‘wrong’ side
IMHO the logical position for ports is front centre. Quick drive in without any reverse wiggles and when backing out the turn gives time for any queued cars to prepare to come in.
That Eli charger is like our Freewire chargers, look to that video when you do the video!
Wolfsburg is having 5 IONITY stations with 4-6 chargers each across the city fyi.
Standardize charge port location would be a big benefit also, not just a Tesla .
Pull through chargers would work much better.
@@Mike.T. pull through chargers are definitely needed for vehicles towing. But for pull through chargers to work as a standardization, they would have to be separated like gas pumps are, that’s a bit inefficient as far as space is concerned.
This reminds me of the gas ⛽️ price wars of the 1960s. My dad would drive all over Norfolk, Va. to get gas for under 25 cent per gallon. Lines everywhere
I'm lucky, in the UK the eTron DC charging port is on the drivers side (right hand drive ) so in the same place as a Tesla as long, in relation to the charger, as you pull in front end first. The passenger side is AC only. Not sure if the cable is long enough but I've downloaded the app so I will try. Only 25 stations available for non Tesla in England and Wales and nothing in Scotland and Northern Ireland unfortunately. CCS will, IMO, remain as the standard outside of the US and I agree, nobody is going to mandate that the charging ports are in the same position on every car. Very interesting video - thanks
How about a 6 to 8 foot extension cable the nonstandard cars could have when newded, not possible?
You missed the EUREF Campus Supercharger, because it is not open to all. But there was an event going on and it was a line of Teslas waiting to charge there. That may be one reason why it was so empty in the parking lot where you started.
Experienced Tesla drivers used to leave one charging slot free between one other - due to power sharing on V2 superchargers. Nowadays this causes problems, as no car with wrong charge port location can use the free spots between Teslas. (This behavior could also be used to block other cars from using the SUCs...)
I love how having to activate charging on apps was a problem not long ago but doing it for Tesla is okay. Consistency is all i ask but its too much i guess.
Think with the v4 chargers they are adding a payment system so you can tap your charge card/ credit card. As it will be required by EU law that all charge points have a payment terminal.
It’s strictly for billing. You’ll be able to ‘pay at the pump’ soon enough.
this is going to be one heck of a test to see how crowded this will be
I wonder if station in the heart of the city probably wasn’t as busy since people would likely live out of the city and want to charge closer to home?
Lots of people in the city live in apartments and hold a lower priced car than relatively new EVs. Also, in city centers where people do have an EV, they would look for an affordable charging option: AC charging in Europe goes up to 22kW (most typical is 11kW, but curb side and business destination also often 22kW) and AC is typically much cheaper than DC high speed charging. City folk are often urban so AC charging at destinations or street curb side often is sufficient. And: not many people who are not 'in' to cars (just drive them) probably did not know of the special deal. You can also charge for free (!) at many German supermarkets. Smart move!
We have several very good charging stations in Germany now which can deal with all small cars in every direction, cars with trailers, vans and even semis. I was standing next to a semi in Merklingen and charging and there was enough place for us both. He did not have a trailer with him though.
Merklingen is a pretty remarkable supercharger with 40 stalls, so is the one in Leonberg with 2 x 20 stalls. I have not been to either with more than 10% occupancy. The network in southern bavaria is great, far exceeding the current demand. However, German Angst dictates that its still not enough. Didnt realize it was free that day, however, I wont even be able to spend all my free supercharging this year anyways.
@@GamingProject23 Actually, I was at the 2 stall Aral pulse charger. I did not know about the 40 stalls tesla supercharger and the 16 350KW Ionity charger nearby. I only was once at the 2 McDonalds 350KW charger. But right, very impressive to have that all within 200m.
On Tuesday evening I was heading back from Wales back to London and it was pretty clear overall.
Avoided Telford on the M54 as that's a disaster every day with 2 broken stalls. M40 Warwick v2 at 21:00 was 4/8 occupancy until someone parked next to me (all Teslas). So I just went off 15mins down the road to Banbury v3 where it was just me and another Tesla at 21:30 (2/12 occupancy). A 3rd car rolled up, a Jag i-Pace. Looked like they were having trouble activating, so I did it for them, they took 23kWh whilst I was taking 39kWh. Good to know that you can activate someone else whilst you are charging yourself.
Love the video. Great experiment and I think Tesla learned a lot. Its a pitty VW didn't give you a 77kWh ID3, which charges so much faster.
I took advantage of the free power yesterday, no wait at my local (London, UK- Sidcup) Supercharger, and there were more non Tesla’s than usual, regarding the port locations, wouldn’t an extension cable solve this.
What if Tesla stager the charge points? One at the rear as the have them now and the next station next to that at the front of the parking and so on. I know it most probably make it more expensive to install but at the bigger stations they'll have to do only a few like that. Do you even think it might work?
Great content! Fyi: Brandenburg is a state surrounding Berlin.
I didn't know about it until a buddy of mine sent me a message. It wasn't broadly advertised. Once I got to the charger around 6-7pm it was half empty. Blocking of two chargers by non-Tesla is really not fair.
My lord I would by the id3 tomorrow if they put one on a boat to the USA
Just as Kyle pointed out at the first charger, Tesla chargers for non-Teslas looks to still depend on the app -- which brings up the question, if cell coverage is lacking, are non-Teslas out-of-luck to charge at the Tesla Supercharger?
In terms on charging port location and cable lenghts. To get a charging area on the autobahn locations there are rules that every EV car should be handled equal charging with card must be possible. Thats why tesla is only at autohof locations and not on a autobahn raststette.
The giga factory Berlin-Brandenburg is called after the name of the states. It’s located at Berlin and Brandenburg.
Most german cars get cheap (30cents) Ionity charging and Tesla used to be very expensive (70 cent). When I ran out of the cheap contract this year, Tesla just reduced the price to 50 cent and Ionity would be 78 cents. So I charge at Tesla now when I can but most people still have other contracts.
Tesla quietly opened up two locations in Ontario Canada to non-Teslas. (North Bay & Deep River).
The Tesla app looks outstanding! I see no need for a credit card reader, display, or buttons on a Tesla DC fast charger. Adding these only reduces reliability. Existing V3 SuCs in USA could work very well with a longer cable.
Hey Kyle, FYI, you guys missed the nicest Berlin Tesla Supercharger at the EUREF campus Berlin Schöneberg.
They need to just do a longer cable at magic doc locations For the meantime until they replace with v4. They should do this stress test!
I wish we had the id3 here in the us, or a couple other EV vans.
Not sure, if that applies to all V4 superchargers, but I have seen photos of ones that have screens and card payment terminals.
Believe it will be required by eu law that all non free chargers have screens and card payments
@@tomsproet6972 yes, there is some law that makes it a requirement now
I am also pretty sure they increase the voltage output, which is needed for 800V based cars to charge as fast as they can. Without this, most of 800V cars are limited to very low speed.
ID3 is the perfect city car, don't understand why they are not more popular.
When driving on the right side, the charge port should ofc be placed on the right side to make street charging easy not requiring long cables and the connector sticking out in the street.
What I have learned is that my fellow 500e drivers are actually some smart people. And oh yes, I did charge too ;)
is there a public database that shows the country's daily power or energy use?
European Tesla chargers have CCS. Why the hell are we switching to NACS in North America.
CCS-2 and NACS share one good feature, the mechanical internal locking pin, as opposed to the external J1772 latch cobbled on to CCS-1. That's one reason. But the real one is EV manufacturers wanted access to the US Supercharger network. Tesla rolling out Magic Dock (CCS-1 adapted) chargers everywhere would have given us this, but I imagine Tesla balked at that and said change your charging ports on the car instead.
Don't think most households have three phase electricity in the USA. I think that is why CCS-1 was introduced there. Here in Europe (Sweden in my case) I have a 20A fuse = 13,7 kWh.
charging speed too, charging a car which only has a peak of 40kw should be using a 350kw charger, also charging battery when at 90%- wil they incur fees like tesla owners do when on a road trip to prevent blocking chargers.
@18:46 is that a Chrysler Sebring convertible?? Wow
It's actually funny. What if they were giving out free petrol? Wouldn't there be lines around the block?
actually yes. a radio station did that here several times. they announced in the morning which station they would go to and pay every ones bill, and the whole city they were in was clogged for the rest of the day.
I agree. Better to pay! Else you get the messy U.S. system.
PS: Need to have the despencer's in the center of the parking slot.
Does it have a led strip at the bottom of the windshield to show charging? Kinda cool if that’s the case
It does, but not continuously.
The biggest problem with most EVs using the Tesla SC is that they have the charge port on the right side and most times people take up two charge stations to charge one car.