Been here before Austin. If your post is plumb, your cut is the pitch of the stairs. Say 35 degrees. But I seldom ever work anything out. Cut over long. Offer up and mark. Then if there is any out of level issues it still fits. Just mark where they cross and cut. It is that easy. No measurements. No maths. Scribe, cut, fit.
This is the way I learned! My current boss prefers to do the math and it always blows me away. I'd prefer to avoid math so there is no room for mistakes
The 35 degrees is your plumb cut. So that is the cut between posts. For the top cut over run. Lap and clamp. Mark the intersection cross points. Cut and fit. Who cares what the angle is. It is and always will be the exact half point. No headache, no maths. And allows for anything out immediately. Kiss theory. @@fztfabs65
Turned out nice. Love watching your videos because your not afraid to talk about your mistakes and help walk us through how not to make that same mistake
you should be proud of this one! To think 40 plus years from now some kid learning welding will walk down those steps and pay more attention to the railing than whatever game is being played below-
Beautiful and precise work as always- and thank you especially for talking us through the measuring challenges and mistakes that you overcame! Super helpful:)
Stair jobs are tricky period. After 40 years I just got seven mono stringer staircases and two conventional two stringer staircases and it took every ounce of my brain power and patience. You did a fine job there ol’son.😂
I find myself using those Klein digital angle finders very often when trying to figure out handrail miters. Set your angle finder to 0 on the top rail, then measure the degree of fall on the staircase. Say its 35, then you divide it by 2 because your going to stick two pieces together. One tube at 17.5 degrees welded up to another at 17.5 degrees will make up your 35 degree slope.
Let’s say your stair angle is 35 degrees. To find angle of the Bottom post miter. (90* + 35*=125*) take the 125* and then divide by 2. IF you are looking for a miter at the top post (90* - 35*= 55*) take the 27.5*and then divide by 2 If you are looking for the miter angle at the level off (raked to a level) It’s the angle of the stair divided by 2. Hope this helps and makes sense lol love the videos!🙏🏼
The best tool for stairs for me is a 4’ Empire Smart Level. It will give you the angle for the stairs say 35 then divide by 2 for the miter on top and bottom 17.5 works like a charm and saves a lot of head scratching and math.
Austin lay a dimensional board across several stairs, find plumb with a level. Put your speed square pivot on top of the board at the line and find horizontal with a level. Read the angle on the speed square. Divide by 2 to get your cut angle. 30° ÷2 = 15°. 15°is the cut angle. Use a $25.00 digital protractor and make sure to be within .1° of 1° on your cuts.
Hi Austin as a boilermaker from the Uk 🇬🇧 when you were trying to find the angle of the hand rail you took the measurements parallel to the slope so you could have tried to fend the angle using a level and a speed square or using your angle finder on the concrete slope keep up the good work 👍👍👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧👍👍👍
As Max would say " See the iron, be the iron" God rest his soul. I set those fan boxes at BH. We had to use 2 boomtrucks. I always thought there should be a walkway there. Run a rail from top post with rail in place to post on stairs at height and mark the intersections top and bottom, cut the marks boom done. No need for the math. 45 years of handrail you learn how to run it fast and easy.
Good job. Don't let the little hiccups bother you. It is part of the learning curve. Once you build hand rail repeatedly for about a year you should have mastered it but no two hand rails will be the same. Good luck and best wishes on your next project
Yeah my biggest struggle in facility work is doing hand rails, platforms and stairs. I don’t do it every single job so a person forgets. I have a journal in my truck and when I do something like this and get it correct, I write down in my book on how I did it and the steps involved, sometimes even draw little doodles. I also use examples of angles and measurements for something to go off of. Then I can go back and look at it when I haven’t done for a few months.
A digital angle finder, photos and a sketch book drawing with details will help you if you do a prebuild survey and then fabricate everything in my workshop first. Much less risk welding on site and a faster install. That is how I do railings on stairs. However, installing vertical pickets can be tricky to set up.
Got my service truck converted to welding rig ready for bedliner next week and it will be ready to roll. 19 Yo. Got a 2012 302 trailblazer with 200 hours and 01 24v. I have been doing small jobs off my flat bed truck but had a local guy reach out to do some subcontracting for him. Soon I will not be able to afford to go to my factory job. These videos help a lot, still haven’t figured out insurance on the truck and for the business. I’m in Iowa if anyone sees this and has any advice.
If your pieces are long enough you could always over lay them to your uprights clamp them and mark your angle. If you want double miter you just divide the angle and cut both sides. Super easy if you have your uprights done already. Looks good big pimp
Basic geometry on railing. Post are vertical (90°). Just work off that or just stick a piece up there slightly longer and mark it. Like you said a couple of times and it gets easier. Every once in awhile i still overthink it.
As a carpenter that does handrails. I would have clamped the "run wild" stair tubing to the side the sidewalk and landing level tubing and scribed where the top and bottom faces of the tubing intersect, assuming its 36 inches from each stair nose That would be my angle
Hey Austin, sorry if you mentioned it in the video but what rod are you tacking and welding out a project like this with? Thanks for the videos, cheers from BC Canada.
Been here before Austin. If your post is plumb, your cut is the pitch of the stairs. Say 35 degrees. But I seldom ever work anything out. Cut over long. Offer up and mark. Then if there is any out of level issues it still fits. Just mark where they cross and cut. It is that easy. No measurements. No maths. Scribe, cut, fit.
But if the stairs are a 35° incline, wouldnt the two cuts on the hand rail be 17.5° each, to get that 35°? Or would both cuts be 35° each °
This is the way I learned! My current boss prefers to do the math and it always blows me away. I'd prefer to avoid math so there is no room for mistakes
The 35 degrees is your plumb cut. So that is the cut between posts. For the top cut over run. Lap and clamp. Mark the intersection cross points. Cut and fit. Who cares what the angle is. It is and always will be the exact half point. No headache, no maths. And allows for anything out immediately. Kiss theory. @@fztfabs65
I'm with you on that. While they measure twice. Calculate ten times, mine is cut and fitted. @@chaser9889
It would be 35 on both ends.@fztfabs65
Turned out nice. Love watching your videos because your not afraid to talk about your mistakes and help walk us through how not to make that same mistake
you should be proud of this one! To think 40 plus years from now some kid learning welding will walk down those steps and pay more attention to the railing than whatever game is being played below-
Beautiful and precise work as always- and thank you especially for talking us through the measuring challenges and mistakes that you overcame! Super helpful:)
Looks good Austin, glad you were able to help your Brother out and get the job finished. Stay safe and keep up the great videos . Fred.
Stair jobs are tricky period. After 40 years I just got seven mono stringer staircases and two conventional two stringer staircases and it took every ounce of my brain power and patience. You did a fine job there ol’son.😂
I find myself using those Klein digital angle finders very often when trying to figure out handrail miters. Set your angle finder to 0 on the top rail, then measure the degree of fall on the staircase. Say its 35, then you divide it by 2 because your going to stick two pieces together. One tube at 17.5 degrees welded up to another at 17.5 degrees will make up your 35 degree slope.
Let’s say your stair angle is 35 degrees.
To find angle of the Bottom post miter. (90* + 35*=125*) take the 125* and then divide by 2.
IF you are looking for a miter at the top post (90* - 35*= 55*) take the 27.5*and then divide by 2
If you are looking for the miter angle at the level off (raked to a level)
It’s the angle of the stair divided by 2.
Hope this helps and makes sense lol love the videos!🙏🏼
The best tool for stairs for me is a 4’ Empire Smart Level. It will give you the angle for the stairs say 35 then divide by 2 for the miter on top and bottom 17.5 works like a charm and saves a lot of head scratching and math.
Austin lay a dimensional board across several stairs, find plumb with a level. Put your speed square pivot on top of the board at the line and find horizontal with a level. Read the angle on the speed square.
Divide by 2 to get your cut angle. 30° ÷2 = 15°.
15°is the cut angle. Use a $25.00 digital protractor
and make sure to be within .1° of 1° on your cuts.
Very nice work as always sir! Great video!
Hi Austin as a boilermaker from the Uk 🇬🇧 when you were trying to find the angle of the hand rail you took the measurements parallel to the slope so you could have tried to fend the angle using a level and a speed square or using your angle finder on the concrete slope keep up the good work 👍👍👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧👍👍👍
All good you got thru it good job 👍
As Max would say " See the iron, be the iron" God rest his soul. I set those fan boxes at BH. We had to use 2 boomtrucks. I always thought there should be a walkway there. Run a rail from top post with rail in place to post on stairs at height and mark the intersections top and bottom, cut the marks boom done. No need for the math. 45 years of handrail you learn how to run it fast and easy.
Very good job Ross!
I just wanted it to be Friday so I could watch this video!! 🔥. I'll be part of your course soon the pipe fence one 🗿🔥.
Awesome video sir !! Very helpful!!
Very impressive job.
Good job. Don't let the little hiccups bother you. It is part of the learning curve. Once you build hand rail repeatedly for about a year you should have mastered it but no two hand rails will be the same. Good luck and best wishes on your next project
i,ve been building hand rails for 60 yrs i feel your pain
A lot of work that goes into something you might think is simple, great job
Yeah my biggest struggle in facility work is doing hand rails, platforms and stairs. I don’t do it every single job so a person forgets. I have a journal in my truck and when I do something like this and get it correct, I write down in my book on how I did it and the steps involved, sometimes even draw little doodles. I also use examples of angles and measurements for something to go off of. Then I can go back and look at it when I haven’t done for a few months.
Im starting welding school next week here in Finland. Im so excited😁
Great job sir ❤❤❤
Railings can be tricky and time consuming I just fit cut and weld I use a dial angle finder with a magnetic base don't fret you did pretty good
Nice job.
Good job showing the angles. A lot of people,including me, get goofed up by angles!
A digital angle finder, photos and a sketch book drawing with details will help you if you do a prebuild survey and then fabricate everything in my workshop first. Much less risk welding on site and a faster install. That is how I do railings on stairs. However, installing vertical pickets can be tricky to set up.
Fabricating railing is a head scratcher but awesome when it comes together.
Got my service truck converted to welding rig ready for bedliner next week and it will be ready to roll. 19 Yo. Got a 2012 302 trailblazer with 200 hours and 01 24v. I have been doing small jobs off my flat bed truck but had a local guy reach out to do some subcontracting for him. Soon I will not be able to afford to go to my factory job. These videos help a lot, still haven’t figured out insurance on the truck and for the business. I’m in Iowa if anyone sees this and has any advice.
Thanks for yet another great video. I'm positive it would be much easier to get more accurate measurements if you used metric instead. Take care😊 😊
Look fantastic!!
If your pieces are long enough you could always over lay them to your uprights clamp them and mark your angle. If you want double miter you just divide the angle and cut both sides. Super easy if you have your uprights done already. Looks good big pimp
Basic geometry on railing. Post are vertical (90°). Just work off that or just stick a piece up there slightly longer and mark it. Like you said a couple of times and it gets easier. Every once in awhile i still overthink it.
Don't feel bad. I've been doing railing over 10 years and still get confused 😅
It’s all good 👍🏼
Great job ARoss 🙏🏼✌🏼
If we didn’t make mistakes then people would be paying too us 🤔🤷🏻♂️
We’re all human just like he made us 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Good job
Thanks
As a carpenter that does handrails. I would have clamped the "run wild" stair tubing to the side the sidewalk and landing level tubing and scribed where the top and bottom faces of the tubing intersect, assuming its 36 inches from each stair nose That would be my angle
Been welding for 40 years sometimes I can’t remember how I build that. I sometimes write on a 3 X 5 card some notes and file them
Nice job Austin I put my welding stubs in a coffee tin don't leave stubs lying around
Rise divided by your length of run “stove pipe” then tan-1 “inverse tangent” will give you the angle to cut.
RIP the guy that has to paint those in place
Foam rollers
lay your rail up next to what youre welding to and mark your angle that way you dont waste time measuring
AMEN!
Transition angles is the degree of the step minus 90 then divide that in half.
Make a jig that has a seat for each side of the post, that'll make getting those intermediates lined up
Right on!!
Will you do a video on heat straightening? I'm trying to learn now
Whenever i see good welders mess up in the job i just imagine myself and how many more time i would’ve messed up
Piece of string is all you need. That will give you the tangent then set you gage.
How do you like the Slickman gloves?
Just built my first set of handrails and got confused also with the angles
Hey Austin, sorry if you mentioned it in the video but what rod are you tacking and welding out a project like this with? Thanks for the videos, cheers from BC Canada.
We were using 3/32 7018
@@arosswelding awesome thanks man!
Bon Boulo😆😆👍👍
Why did you put the rail next to the wall?
Level on stairs set angle finder on level and u have the angle.
Not going to lie watching welders do trigonometry is painful. Measure the stairs and I'll draw the handrail for you.
What stinger do you use pls respond
I believe he uses a Tweco 300 amp stinger, maybe a 250. The 250 is a little smaller.
Are you all 3 brothers?
Сколько стоит такая работа у вас?
Use magnets with hooks, string ling em
Geez just hold it up long on the outside and mark it.
Your not to far from me in in Gillette