I like your testing method! Great job dude. Can’t wait till you get to the budget batts to. Personally I want to see the Turnigy graphene 1500 and the Infinity graphene 1500 and how they stack up. Thanks JB
dude. THANK YOU for doing what you're doing!! i am new to most of this and have been flying a grand total of a month. i just bought my 2nd quad and am waiting on it to arrive. the darkmax 220mm. i currently own the furibee x215x pro. ( not the s model.). anyway... the info and the way u present the info is VERY EASY to understand and absorb. i sincerely appreciate what u do. please keep the info coming! i will be binge watching the majority of ure videos in the coming few days.
Awesome work! Appreciate all the time and effort your investing in this. Look forward to watching more results in the future! Funny I just happened to visit one if the Tattu Facilities in Dublin, CA. In the lobby where I was waiting to pickup my order of batteries and things they had a video showing the intensive production of the batteries. It doesn't surprise me at all of the R-Lines results due to the amazing quality control and production of their batteries.
Tattu has so many different types of batteries. Hard to tell what is the chronological order and what is the newest stuff to buy. Some r-line batteries have a 100c rating. I think they are newer than the one you tested. I wish you did an inner-Tattu testing aswell. Keep up the amazing work, sir JB.
So happy to see this video test and in just perfect time! I just saw mines Tattus R-Line 1550 are shipped today and its like doubling my joy, since now I have what to watch and to study while waiting them, and it just fills my sails when I see my newbeeness made a good scan of market before making order for pair of new batteries few days ago.. Amazing test!
Nice job and great report. R-Line is our #1 choice at my club and our field experience tends to confirm your elaborate test protocols. I've puffed a few R-Lines racing some F60 Pros full out, before I had connect a current sensor. I look forward to seeing what the Evan Turner "real Life" power cycles look like. Thanks!
Although what you say that this results would not represent real world scenarios is surely true, for me at least what we have here is some really reliable data. Even more in comparison to what we are used to get. Congratulations, JB! I'm really thankful for your commitment, and I think most of us who stick to your videos and stay to watch them until the end should really think about becoming a patreon, considering the contribution you deliver to all of us in the hobby.
Think the weight difference between the batteries would link certain conclusions? As a thunder power user, I enjoy the fact that my packs are lighter than most, helps with keeping current draw lower in races in my experience. Excellent testing Josh!
Just type "180F to C" into google chrome's search bar and it'll instantly tell you the answer without you even having to actually search it. It's a bit of a non-issue.
Cause it is so simple it wouldn't be so hard to add to a PDF and as 40% of JB's viewers are not American it does seem like a thing that should be at least considered.
Fantastic Joshua! Your 5 second burst test is good but it's the extreme. The next part of the story will be interesting - the programmed discharge based on a real but insanely good pilot flight
Awesome job Joshua. I loved the thoroughness of your tests in this new methodology. Excellent work. About the only recommendation I would make is that you add the IR of each pack’s cell averages using Wayne Giles IR meter, just for those of us who use that data for pack longevity comparisons. Maybe also the g/watt rating of the pack as well so that weight is factored in too. Excellent work man! Thanks again!
I have tested that meter, and found it to produce inconsistent results because it's impossible to control for all the factors that affect IR. I'm not saying the meter is inaccurate. I'm saying the thing the meter is measuring is really hard to hold consistent.
thank you soo much for the daily uploads man, i really love em!! although i aint got money for patreon, i try and watch all the ads. keep up the awesome work!!!
Fantastic test Joshua! You really nailed it. Please give us Celsius next time and maybe size comparison. I find that the gens ace are often bigger than their competitors, but delivers more and last longer. Super great comparison! Thanks.
I'm glad to see some results. After the "best of the best" testing is done I'd love to see some budget batteries tested. I'm sure I'm not the only one who flies for fun and would rather have more good batteries than a few of the best
Awesome test, but in my experience RLine has a poor longevity are great batteries but only for a certain time, curious to see your conclusions. thanks for sharing
I would love to see some tests on the Zop power batteries to confirm or rule out the general idea that they are bad batteries. I imagine you would need to test more than 2 though to get an idea due to them being inconsistently made etc. Anyway good work Mr B
First of all: Thanks for the testing! Thats awesome! I am looking forward for the next results. Is it possible that you show us your setup? How you set up/wire up everything... how you meassure the temperature... how you control air temperature etc... I know you mentioned it in a video but it would be awesome if it would be on your website or in a video of yours.
What a way Josh, I learnt something today. I was thinking with some high amp solid state relays, a microcontroller and bit of code you could automate your testing methods. Let me know if you need a hand.
Hey Josh! I gotta thank you for getting me up and running on my Tiny7. Im more of a 3D plane flyer but, I have been wanting to get into quads as well. Your video/s got me up and running in no time. I have used, and will continue to your sponsored links whenever I buy my FPV gear or any other related RC gear. Always a thumbs up for you man. Thanks for helping a novice drone flyer. :) It took me awhile but you really make it pretty dang clear! #honest And this was a great video btw! Man you just keep getting better and better! Stoked for you living your dream. Must be great having a career that you love so much! Sincerely, Whitney Harding
I like the tests you've implemented, especially the pulse test and I think a second pulse test with shorter pulses (1s on, 2s off for example) would be another good one to add to the list.
Pretty hard to complain about your test, what you elected to do and how you did it makes as much sense as what anyone else can come up with. Likely somebody else would have done something different, but also likely the result between these two batteries would be similar. Your testing is appreciated and only helps all of us get smarter on batteries. I look forward to seeing the results of the punishing Evan test when you can get it done.
Steele is going to love these results!!! Thank you JB for taking the time to do this testing! This was very interesting. Personally I use the R-Line batts because of the said quality and the price is much better than the other premium batts.
Great stuff. Can you please test the Turnigy Graphenes? The higher C rated ones seem to hold up better than I would expect but I fly freestyle so maybe I just don't put that much stress on them.
Since the Adrenalines are a bit lighter and the R-Lines have a bit more performance, both batteries are showing an energy density of 0.13wH per gram. So does that mean they perform similarly?
YES! So excited. I was literally just thinking about how these two batteries compared when I woke up this morning, cuz I'm in desperate need of new packs, and these are at the top of my shopping list if I decide to stay with 4s. It's like you read my freaking mind or something.
Great work, looking forward to the rest of this series. Thank you for doing this kind of methodical testing. You should do at least 3 of each battery to get a better sample. Or maybe buy 2 and also get a few from the manufacturer to compare. They would gladly send them.
I think you should test on how long they will last I have these R lines and they didn’t seem to last as long before they were knackered and the HV puffed up after two months. I don’t really fly as much as most people too. but this test will definitely make me go for R line again thanks bro very cool test 👌🏻
Hi Joshua, great testing. Even though they may not be exactly what you see in the field they give a good relative metric to compare batteries. Are you planning on testing the r-line V2? The reason I ask is the lipo bench website show a 5second burst is the max for the v1 and a 40second burst for the V2. It would be good to see if there really is that much of a difference. Keep up the good work, it's extremely interesting.
Looks good, as long as things stay consistent your tests are good to go. 1C is generally standard for lithium batteries, so excellent there. Going with your own standard is also a great move, this way people won't claim you are wrong because the numbers don't perfectly match those of others.
I'll tell you what, without even watching the video, I've had both R-lines and adrenaline's and what I know from first hand use is this: R-line's held up good while they lasted. Provided good sustained power and didn't sag over their life. They lasted about 3 months with moderate usage before puffing, losing voltage quickly, and beginning to get hot while charging. Adrenaline's: still running with no discernable difference in capacity and no noticable sag since I bought them in 2019 (3 years ago), just after the r-lines went bad. They sat for a period of about 10 months while I took a hiatus away from flying after 10 years - some of them fully charged. I have been running them hard for the last month - about 5 packs a day, and they feel like the day I bought them. There is not the slightest hint of puffing in any one of them. It's freaking insane, really... After the last month seeing how they perform at 3 years old, I understand their price and now have absolutely no problem paying for them. I did cringe when I originally bought them. But holy sht are they good batteries. Just did an internal resistance test on a few - not a single one having an IR over 4. It's quite silly actually...
Awesome job Joshua! I have been very excited for your battery tests and I think you did great. I as well like the idea of using some of your bb data to simulate freestyle flying on the packs. Also I would love to see the CNHL 1500 mah 100C be tested along with maybe the RR practice battery or another $20-$25 battery. Thanks for all you do
Excellent! I love to see great testing and your reports are a fantastic way to present the results. Thank you for your time in doing this testing. Could you go to a higher voltage sampling rate for the pulse testing? Having just three pulses for the rating threshold with a slower voltage sampling rate (1x per second?) could easily turn a 3-pulse pack into a 2-pulse or 4-pulse pack at a particular discharge rate. With such a short discharge the file size won’t increase much. Just a thought...
COULD NOT AGREE MORE!!!! As I've mentioned in other forums, the ThunderPower batteries might be my biggest disappointment yet. Expensive and all 10 that I bought were complete crap and puffing badly. Now on the exact same quad, the Tattu packs are hang'n right in there without a lick of issues. Zero puffing and provide similar flights as ThunderPower but at a much cheaper price.
Awesome test's, I love it. Like others have suggested please factor in weight as well. Showing us both the current and capacity vs the weight helps both the racer and recreational flyer. Thank you so much!
Often Gens Ace manufacturer is the best. It would be nice to have: 1- Internal resistance. The lower it is, the more punch people feel. 2- Energy available in watt hour or joules at different discharge level, you do almost this by giving capacity/discharge rate but it's not the aera under the curve We appreciate your work. Thanks
Grat testing. Are you testing the Turnigy Graphenes by any chance? Curious as I can't remember where, but I have seen in another test that they perform better (only slightly) than the Tattu R-Lines. Would be very interesting if you come up with similar results.
I'm sure you are getting bombarded with questions and recommendations about this... Can you do 5s and 6s testing as well? I don't expect you to prioritize that over 4s, since that is what has been the standard for so long, but so many people are moving to higher voltages, and I am really curious to see some of the differences, and which packs are recommended when you start looking at 5s or 6s packs. Thanks!
I highly suggest factoring weight into the equation. More than C-rating (current/capacity) I (and many racers) care about current/weight, and capacity/weight. It looks like the R-line weights ~20g more, which appears to scale well to it's ~10% higher current ratings and higher capacity. EDIT: I just saw your "Energy Density" line on the word docs, which is interestingly, identical. My interpretation of your (EXCELLENTLY OBTAINED) data, is not that one is a clear winner, but that one simply has more lithium, which gives you a little more capacity, and a bit better current draw ability, at the cost of 20g (and, of course, $$, but that's almost irrelevant to the decision of "which is the best.")
Same. I think the underlying tech is basically the same, so the weight is the determining factor. It'll be interesting to see if this continues to be the case with more battery testing.
If you want to compare energy density you should do it including the weight of the quad. If your pack is half the all up weight a 10% energy increase with 10% more battery weight is actually only a 5% weight increase.
I love your test, since I have no other fpv buddies it's hard for me to judge what batteries I should go with down the road, is there any chance you might do a more budget friendly battery test like the 20-25$ range? Also how about testing some of those rotor riot batteries? They seem pretty pricey. Keep up the great work brother
Great info! I have some of the R-Lines and was thinking of trying the Adrenaline. I love the idea of testing them under a load profile from bbl. I can't wait to eventually see a nice list/spreadsheet when you get a bunch of batteries on it. I have some WhoCares batteries from PyroDrone, would love to see some of those tested for good value batteries. Besides the addition of longevity testing I can't imagine what else could be useful info especially for the average pilot. Maybe after ~100 cycles, do the same initial test again? My Turnigy Graphenes have well over 100 cycles but they feel pretty sad now. I suppose for the longevity testing you might run them on a bbl profile instead of just constant draw for the most life like conditions. It would be interesting to see if a constant draw test would give similar results as a bbl profile test. Thanks for all you do, you have helped my quad addiction significantly. (Through solving problems and buying good stuff the first time, not by making me buy lots of garbage/hype products I will regret.)
Yes, I'd also like to see the "Who Cares" bats tested. BTW, I'd recommend against getting bats from Thunderpower. They tend to have a lot of duds, and if you get some you'll be paying to ship them back, waiting weeks for a determination, and if it was Thunderpower's fault they'll still make you pay 50% of the cost of the replacement packs...oh, yeah, takes forever to get ahold of them.
Ya I won't get any. I settled on the Whocares 1600mah to abuse and save my R-Lines for the occasional race or casual laps. I always buy from pyroflip because I live 45min away and I always get my orders next day if I order before 3pm =) Its like a crack addict living at a crack warehouse. At least the storefront is closed so I can't go over and browse, I would be living in my car. Pyroflip had the Adrenaline batteries on sale for like 40% off a few weeks ago and I almost bought some but I just wasn't feeling it so I didn't. If its too good to be true...
The variation in tolerances of SMD components exacerbates the need to calibrate each and every board. We deal with that "problem" in the RF products that my company manufactures every day. A tenth of a pF can throw the product into a tailspin. A tenth the other way and it's sunshine and roses. Don't worry, Joshua, it's an easy assumption to make. :)
That's awesome Joshua well done. It would be great to see how maybe something like the DINOGY 1600mah graphene battery in the orange package wrap performs against a non graphene battery, ie compared to the results of the Tattu Rline. Are they any better or worse? and is there really any benefit of getting a graphene battery? Thanks mate.
Hey josh great video can’t wait for more. Quick thought wouldn’t it be a good test for pulse test to 130 amp for one sec and then and amperage of hover for a few sec?
The machine maxes out at 120 amps. I did try a "max discharge" test but so far I haven't found a battery that will hold 120 amps on this rig, even for like a second. I think the issue is that the rise-time of current on the rig is slower than our quads, and as a result, the battery has to work harder to produce 120 amps. Instead of going STRAIGHT to 120 amps and back down, it goes 40, 80, 100, 120... over the course of a second or so.
I don’t fly droan but I used the same batteries in my mini jet, The r line and tatu are good batteries like you said. I used tatu 1550 75C an R-line 1300mah 95C. What I get from these batteries, unlimited vertical, quick acceleration, 80mph from my mini f 18 blue angels. Is a great battery for all applications
You should add a part of your website where you can choose any amount of batteries and look at them compared side by side. Something like phone websites like GsmArena
Fantastic!!! Thank you so much. Really looking forward to the "real flight" test. To bad the data was clipped :/ How did you extract only the current draw?
Hi Joshua - I learned something ELSE today. Hopping back to your last video about Crossfire/Horus X10S... I swapped the Micro Tx for the full size and opened the box to find TBS had packed the inverter 'upgrade' I've contacted them and heard back from Mike Chin who has told me that I will need to make the upgrade with the X10S even with the full size Tx. Thought you'd like to know for any crossfire related vids... Thanks.
I like your testing method! Great job dude. Can’t wait till you get to the budget batts to. Personally I want to see the Turnigy graphene 1500 and the Infinity graphene 1500 and how they stack up. Thanks JB
dude. THANK YOU for doing what you're doing!! i am new to most of this and have been flying a grand total of a month. i just bought my 2nd quad and am waiting on it to arrive. the darkmax 220mm. i currently own the furibee x215x pro. ( not the s model.). anyway... the info and the way u present the info is VERY EASY to understand and absorb. i sincerely appreciate what u do. please keep the info coming! i will be binge watching the majority of ure videos in the coming few days.
Nice job Josh, it will be really nice to have a bunch of batteries tested the same way to compare stats.
Awesome work! Appreciate all the time and effort your investing in this. Look forward to watching more results in the future! Funny I just happened to visit one if the Tattu Facilities in Dublin, CA. In the lobby where I was waiting to pickup my order of batteries and things they had a video showing the intensive production of the batteries. It doesn't surprise me at all of the R-Lines results due to the amazing quality control and production of their batteries.
Tattu has so many different types of batteries. Hard to tell what is the chronological order and what is the newest stuff to buy. Some r-line batteries have a 100c rating. I think they are newer than the one you tested. I wish you did an inner-Tattu testing aswell. Keep up the amazing work, sir JB.
Joshua thanks for what you do. Your such a dynamic speaker and likeable person that I feel you’d succeed in anything you do.
Awesome tests, Joshua! Try getting some Gaoneng to test too. 😊
Second that. Especially a 1300mah one
Tapwoot nothing special. I own tattus and gaoengs and the tattus are waaaaaay superior!!!!
Yes, but the price is double. I factor that in to :)
Joe Gonzales If the Gaoneng is good enough, close enough to the Tattu ones... Great! Like Tapwoot said, there're cheaper! 😊
Michael Benjamin GNB beats the Tattu in tests. MuteFPV tested them, the results show exactly the same as your feeling.
Great testing Joshua !!! This is why I Patreon support your efforts. Not one other You Tuber does this much real science.Keep up the great work !!
So happy to see this video test and in just perfect time! I just saw mines Tattus R-Line 1550 are shipped today and its like doubling my joy, since now I have what to watch and to study while waiting them, and it just fills my sails when I see my newbeeness made a good scan of market before making order for pair of new batteries few days ago.. Amazing test!
Thanks for running these tests. Finally some real data on batteries!
Nice job and great report. R-Line is our #1 choice at my club and our field experience tends to confirm your elaborate test protocols. I've puffed a few R-Lines racing some F60 Pros full out, before I had connect a current sensor. I look forward to seeing what the Evan Turner "real Life" power cycles look like. Thanks!
Thanks for doing a battery segment. Im on my first build and you helped open my eyes to better understand. So thanx
Although what you say that this results would not represent real world scenarios is surely true, for me at least what we have here is some really reliable data. Even more in comparison to what we are used to get.
Congratulations, JB! I'm really thankful for your commitment, and I think most of us who stick to your videos and stay to watch them until the end should really think about becoming a patreon, considering the contribution you deliver to all of us in the hobby.
Thank you Joshua, looking forward to all these tests!
Youve done "top end" now lets see budget (and everything inbetween after!) Great tests. Love the vids, cany wait to see how they fair in the race sims
Think the weight difference between the batteries would link certain conclusions? As a thunder power user, I enjoy the fact that my packs are lighter than most, helps with keeping current draw lower in races in my experience.
Excellent testing Josh!
I'd like to see the CNHL batteries from RDQ on here.
This was fantastic! Really looking forward to the rest of the tests.
Good job JB I use the r lines and I’m happy to see I haven’t been wasting my money
No criticism here Josh! Excellent sciencing! I can;t wait to see how the next round of batteries fair.
Yay! Love the standards and testing protocols you are using!
Sweet testing and data! Bummer about Evan's test replay, but you guys will get it worked out. This is going to be a fun year of battery data!
Outstanding job sir. That real race simulation data test would be the icing of the cake. Congrats!
Thank you for putting so much effort in these tests to make this hobby better. :-)
Can you put Celsius on at least on the PDFs? So non-Americans don't have to pull out a calculator.
Just type "180F to C" into google chrome's search bar and it'll instantly tell you the answer without you even having to actually search it. It's a bit of a non-issue.
Cause it is so simple it wouldn't be so hard to add to a PDF and as 40% of JB's viewers are not American it does seem like a thing that should be at least considered.
@@zeusofcrete9927 Start the metric revolution, brother! Canada half supports you!
@@kodguerrero im american and i avoid the imperial system if i can...
Great start on your battery testing! I am very excited to see more tests! Thank you!
Fantastic Joshua! Your 5 second burst test is good but it's the extreme. The next part of the story will be interesting - the programmed discharge based on a real but insanely good pilot flight
I agree it's extreme. But it's consistent, and it shows how quickly the battery recovers from a hard hit.
Kick ass Josh! Thanks for doing this set up and test. I personally very much appreciate it.
Awesome job Joshua. I loved the thoroughness of your tests in this new methodology. Excellent work. About the only recommendation I would make is that you add the IR of each pack’s cell averages using Wayne Giles IR meter, just for those of us who use that data for pack longevity comparisons. Maybe also the g/watt rating of the pack as well so that weight is factored in too. Excellent work man! Thanks again!
I have tested that meter, and found it to produce inconsistent results because it's impossible to control for all the factors that affect IR. I'm not saying the meter is inaccurate. I'm saying the thing the meter is measuring is really hard to hold consistent.
thank you soo much for the daily uploads man, i really love em!! although i aint got money for patreon, i try and watch all the ads. keep up the awesome work!!!
My tattu R lines should arrive tomorrow. I’ve flown tattus before on airplanes and was happy with them
Maybe I missed it, but a tour of your battery testing rig, and also a time lapse of your process would be cool to see.
Fantastic test Joshua! You really nailed it. Please give us Celsius next time and maybe size comparison. I find that the gens ace are often bigger than their competitors, but delivers more and last longer. Super great comparison! Thanks.
Size is in the pdf.
Great job JB. You should do leaderboard of all your lipos that you test. Everyone likes top lists.
Great review. I've got 4 packs of the R-lines, and 10 packs of the new R-line v2....glad I made the decision to "invest" in top end batteries now
Awesome job. It was clear and it felt like indisputable data from what I seen.
Excellent! I'm happy! Happy flying! :)
Plenty of information including a super detailed spred, I found this review very interesting cheers JB.
I'm glad to see some results. After the "best of the best" testing is done I'd love to see some budget batteries tested. I'm sure I'm not the only one who flies for fun and would rather have more good batteries than a few of the best
Awesome test, but in my experience RLine has a poor longevity are great batteries but only for a certain time, curious to see your conclusions. thanks for sharing
The summary doc is a great idea! 👍
I would love to see some tests on the Zop power batteries to confirm or rule out the general idea that they are bad batteries. I imagine you would need to test more than 2 though to get an idea due to them being inconsistently made etc. Anyway good work Mr B
First of all:
Thanks for the testing! Thats awesome! I am looking forward for the next results.
Is it possible that you show us your setup?
How you set up/wire up everything...
how you meassure the temperature...
how you control air temperature etc...
I know you mentioned it in a video but it would be awesome if it would be on your website or in a video of yours.
What a way Josh, I learnt something today.
I was thinking with some high amp solid state relays, a microcontroller and bit of code you could automate your testing methods. Let me know if you need a hand.
tattu R ! buying some now thanks josh!
Hey Josh! I gotta thank you for getting me up and running on my Tiny7. Im more of a 3D plane flyer but, I have been wanting to get into quads as well. Your video/s got me up and running in no time. I have used, and will continue to your sponsored links whenever I buy my FPV gear or any other related RC gear. Always a thumbs up for you man. Thanks for helping a novice drone flyer. :) It took me awhile but you really make it pretty dang clear! #honest And this was a great video btw! Man you just keep getting better and better! Stoked for you living your dream. Must be great having a career that you love so much! Sincerely, Whitney Harding
Great work Jason....
You bring up points and logic that I am interested in, but don’t actually follow through on.
Thank you!
I like the tests you've implemented, especially the pulse test and I think a second pulse test with shorter pulses (1s on, 2s off for example) would be another good one to add to the list.
Pretty hard to complain about your test, what you elected to do and how you did it makes as much sense as what anyone else can come up with. Likely somebody else would have done something different, but also likely the result between these two batteries would be similar.
Your testing is appreciated and only helps all of us get smarter on batteries. I look forward to seeing the results of the punishing Evan test when you can get it done.
Thanks so much for the review. Very informative and I love this format!
Excellent vid, totally helped me to decide on a battery.
Steele is going to love these results!!! Thank you JB for taking the time to do this testing! This was very interesting. Personally I use the R-Line batts because of the said quality and the price is much better than the other premium batts.
Steele LOL
Great stuff. Can you please test the Turnigy Graphenes? The higher C rated ones seem to hold up better than I would expect but I fly freestyle so maybe I just don't put that much stress on them.
Excellent testing. This will be looked at by several fields/hobbies.
Since the Adrenalines are a bit lighter and the R-Lines have a bit more performance, both batteries are showing an energy density of 0.13wH per gram.
So does that mean they perform similarly?
YES! So excited. I was literally just thinking about how these two batteries compared when I woke up this morning, cuz I'm in desperate need of new packs, and these are at the top of my shopping list if I decide to stay with 4s. It's like you read my freaking mind or something.
Thank you! that is awesome results!
Great work, looking forward to the rest of this series. Thank you for doing this kind of methodical testing. You should do at least 3 of each battery to get a better sample. Or maybe buy 2 and also get a few from the manufacturer to compare. They would gladly send them.
Thank you so much for doing this Josh. Great job.
I think you should test on how long they will last I have these R lines and they didn’t seem to last as long before they were knackered and the HV puffed up after two months. I don’t really fly as much as most people too. but this test will definitely make me go for R line again thanks bro very cool test 👌🏻
Amazing data Mr. Bardwell. Thanks!
Hi Joshua, great testing. Even though they may not be exactly what you see in the field they give a good relative metric to compare batteries. Are you planning on testing the r-line V2? The reason I ask is the lipo bench website show a 5second burst is the max for the v1 and a 40second burst for the V2. It would be good to see if there really is that much of a difference. Keep up the good work, it's extremely interesting.
Awesome results video Joshua! I'd love to see some Acehe battery tests!
Looks good, as long as things stay consistent your tests are good to go.
1C is generally standard for lithium batteries, so excellent there.
Going with your own standard is also a great move, this way people won't claim you are wrong because the numbers don't perfectly match those of others.
I'll tell you what, without even watching the video, I've had both R-lines and adrenaline's and what I know from first hand use is this:
R-line's held up good while they lasted. Provided good sustained power and didn't sag over their life. They lasted about 3 months with moderate usage before puffing, losing voltage quickly, and beginning to get hot while charging.
Adrenaline's: still running with no discernable difference in capacity and no noticable sag since I bought them in 2019 (3 years ago), just after the r-lines went bad. They sat for a period of about 10 months while I took a hiatus away from flying after 10 years - some of them fully charged. I have been running them hard for the last month - about 5 packs a day, and they feel like the day I bought them. There is not the slightest hint of puffing in any one of them.
It's freaking insane, really... After the last month seeing how they perform at 3 years old, I understand their price and now have absolutely no problem paying for them. I did cringe when I originally bought them. But holy sht are they good batteries.
Just did an internal resistance test on a few - not a single one having an IR over 4. It's quite silly actually...
Awesome job Joshua! I have been very excited for your battery tests and I think you did great. I as well like the idea of using some of your bb data to simulate freestyle flying on the packs. Also I would love to see the CNHL 1500 mah 100C be tested along with maybe the RR practice battery or another $20-$25 battery. Thanks for all you do
Very interesting. You don't always get what you pay for. Another awesome video with a ton of information
Great job. Is the second test out yet?
Great vid! Sounds like im holding off a bit to buy new pairs of batts before I see some more testing!
Thanks for all the science, it really does make a difference.
Nice to see some clear results, great piece of work.
Will you be doing any vids on the micro crossfire unit in the near future?
Yes
Joshua Bardwell
Fantastic. Many thanks.
Excellent! I love to see great testing and your reports are a fantastic way to present the results. Thank you for your time in doing this testing.
Could you go to a higher voltage sampling rate for the pulse testing? Having just three pulses for the rating threshold with a slower voltage sampling rate (1x per second?) could easily turn a 3-pulse pack into a 2-pulse or 4-pulse pack at a particular discharge rate. With such a short discharge the file size won’t increase much. Just a thought...
I agree. I have switched to 100 ms sampling for future tests.
COULD NOT AGREE MORE!!!! As I've mentioned in other forums, the ThunderPower batteries might be my biggest disappointment yet. Expensive and all 10 that I bought were complete crap and puffing badly. Now on the exact same quad, the Tattu packs are hang'n right in there without a lick of issues. Zero puffing and provide similar flights as ThunderPower but at a much cheaper price.
I use TATTU lipos, I have over 40 discharge's on the TATTU 3s 1550mah 75c and it's still going strong. Thanks for your in-depth reviews 👍
Excellent job Joshua, would be interested to see as you go forward if there is a correlation between battery capacity and weight ?
Definitely in general although higher quality cells do better per gram. That's the purpose of the Wh/g stat in the PDF.
Awesome test's, I love it. Like others have suggested please factor in weight as well. Showing us both the current and capacity vs the weight helps both the racer and recreational flyer. Thank you so much!
That info is in the PDF doc check it out.
I was hoping that was the winner because that's the one I buy and I love it
Often Gens Ace manufacturer is the best.
It would be nice to have:
1- Internal resistance. The lower it is, the more punch people feel.
2- Energy available in watt hour or joules at different discharge level,
you do almost this by giving capacity/discharge rate but it's not the aera under the curve
We appreciate your work. Thanks
Awesome video! Are you going to test 6s batteries?
Grat testing. Are you testing the Turnigy Graphenes by any chance? Curious as I can't remember where, but I have seen in another test that they perform better (only slightly) than the Tattu R-Lines. Would be very interesting if you come up with similar results.
I'm sure you are getting bombarded with questions and recommendations about this... Can you do 5s and 6s testing as well? I don't expect you to prioritize that over 4s, since that is what has been the standard for so long, but so many people are moving to higher voltages, and I am really curious to see some of the differences, and which packs are recommended when you start looking at 5s or 6s packs. Thanks!
I highly suggest factoring weight into the equation. More than C-rating (current/capacity) I (and many racers) care about current/weight, and capacity/weight. It looks like the R-line weights ~20g more, which appears to scale well to it's ~10% higher current ratings and higher capacity. EDIT: I just saw your "Energy Density" line on the word docs, which is interestingly, identical. My interpretation of your (EXCELLENTLY OBTAINED) data, is not that one is a clear winner, but that one simply has more lithium, which gives you a little more capacity, and a bit better current draw ability, at the cost of 20g (and, of course, $$, but that's almost irrelevant to the decision of "which is the best.")
Same. I think the underlying tech is basically the same, so the weight is the determining factor. It'll be interesting to see if this continues to be the case with more battery testing.
Yup that data is in the PDF which you can assess for yourself.
Brian Bailey ha ha, you come in like a whiney bitch. Just make your point, not like a lickle bitch
Just..Wow.. The internet is a terrifying place when a guy can make a polite, reasonable point and get called "a bitch".
If you want to compare energy density you should do it including the weight of the quad. If your pack is half the all up weight a 10% energy increase with 10% more battery weight is actually only a 5% weight increase.
I love your test, since I have no other fpv buddies it's hard for me to judge what batteries I should go with down the road, is there any chance you might do a more budget friendly battery test like the 20-25$ range? Also how about testing some of those rotor riot batteries? They seem pretty pricey. Keep up the great work brother
Great info! I have some of the R-Lines and was thinking of trying the Adrenaline. I love the idea of testing them under a load profile from bbl. I can't wait to eventually see a nice list/spreadsheet when you get a bunch of batteries on it.
I have some WhoCares batteries from PyroDrone, would love to see some of those tested for good value batteries.
Besides the addition of longevity testing I can't imagine what else could be useful info especially for the average pilot. Maybe after ~100 cycles, do the same initial test again? My Turnigy Graphenes have well over 100 cycles but they feel pretty sad now. I suppose for the longevity testing you might run them on a bbl profile instead of just constant draw for the most life like conditions. It would be interesting to see if a constant draw test would give similar results as a bbl profile test.
Thanks for all you do, you have helped my quad addiction significantly. (Through solving problems and buying good stuff the first time, not by making me buy lots of garbage/hype products I will regret.)
Yes, I'd also like to see the "Who Cares" bats tested. BTW, I'd recommend against getting bats from Thunderpower. They tend to have a lot of duds, and if you get some you'll be paying to ship them back, waiting weeks for a determination, and if it was Thunderpower's fault they'll still make you pay 50% of the cost of the replacement packs...oh, yeah, takes forever to get ahold of them.
Ya I won't get any. I settled on the Whocares 1600mah to abuse and save my R-Lines for the occasional race or casual laps. I always buy from pyroflip because I live 45min away and I always get my orders next day if I order before 3pm =) Its like a crack addict living at a crack warehouse. At least the storefront is closed so I can't go over and browse, I would be living in my car. Pyroflip had the Adrenaline batteries on sale for like 40% off a few weeks ago and I almost bought some but I just wasn't feeling it so I didn't. If its too good to be true...
Nice testing. Any comparable internal resistance values? Can the IR predict the performance of the battery?
Great video, test the RMRC orange packs! And CNHL!!!
The variation in tolerances of SMD components exacerbates the need to calibrate each and every board. We deal with that "problem" in the RF products that my company manufactures every day. A tenth of a pF can throw the product into a tailspin. A tenth the other way and it's sunshine and roses. Don't worry, Joshua, it's an easy assumption to make. :)
That's awesome Joshua well done. It would be great to see how maybe something like the DINOGY 1600mah graphene battery in the orange package wrap performs against a non graphene battery, ie compared to the results of the Tattu Rline. Are they any better or worse? and is there really any benefit of getting a graphene battery? Thanks mate.
Cant wait for the max amps test!
Hey josh great video can’t wait for more.
Quick thought wouldn’t it be a good test for pulse test to 130 amp for one sec and then and amperage of hover for a few sec?
The machine maxes out at 120 amps.
I did try a "max discharge" test but so far I haven't found a battery that will hold 120 amps on this rig, even for like a second. I think the issue is that the rise-time of current on the rig is slower than our quads, and as a result, the battery has to work harder to produce 120 amps. Instead of going STRAIGHT to 120 amps and back down, it goes 40, 80, 100, 120... over the course of a second or so.
Excellent and informative. Thank you...
Really like the continuous discharge rating reminds me of the way smc packs are rated. 👍
Nice testing :)
Please do the green Acehe ones :)
I don’t fly droan but I used the same batteries in my mini jet, The r line and tatu are good batteries like you said. I used tatu 1550 75C an R-line 1300mah 95C. What I get from these batteries, unlimited vertical, quick acceleration, 80mph from my mini f 18 blue angels. Is a great battery for all applications
You should add a part of your website where you can choose any amount of batteries and look at them compared side by side. Something like phone websites like GsmArena
AceHe 75C & 90C lipo test would be epic! Best batteries I’ve ever flown.
Fantastic!!! Thank you so much. Really looking forward to the "real flight" test. To bad the data was clipped :/ How did you extract only the current draw?
I extracted it to a CSV file with blackbox_decode.exe.
you are awesome! i learned so much from you thank you
I'd love to see you so a comparison with Rebel batteries as well to see if those llamas really make a difference
Hi Joshua - I learned something ELSE today. Hopping back to your last video about Crossfire/Horus X10S... I swapped the Micro Tx for the full size and opened the box to find TBS had packed the inverter 'upgrade' I've contacted them and heard back from Mike Chin who has told me that I will need to make the upgrade with the X10S even with the full size Tx. Thought you'd like to know for any crossfire related vids... Thanks.