Links: Justin’s website: justinbrierley.com Surprising Rebirth Book: justinbrierley.com/the-surprising-rebirth-of-belief-in-god/ Surprising Rebirth Podcast: justinbrierley.com/surprisingrebirth/ Justin Brierley’s book on Amazon, The Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God: Why New Atheism Grew Old and Secular Thinkers Are Considering Christianity Again (Sep 2023): www.amazon.com/Surprising-Rebirth-Belief-God-Christianity-ebook/dp/B0BX14YSTH My recent feature with Justin Brierley on the Re-Enchanting podcast brought to you by Seen & Unseen Magazine: th-cam.com/video/ToWHWrmN2xY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7zU_Te_-p5aasJWm Mentioned: - Jordan Peterson on the Unbelievable podcast, debating with Susan Blackmore: th-cam.com/video/syP-OtdCIho/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7UFzr6K6PIluV7fO - Ayaan Hirsi Ali's article on UnHerd magazine, ‘Why I am now a Christian: Atheism can't equip us for civilisational war’: unherd.com/2023/11/why-i-am-now-a-christian/
New Covenant Whole Gospel: ( Can you honestly answer the three questions below?) Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
This gives me so much hope!!! Justin, you and Tom Wright helped me move from Atheist to Christian this year, and now I’m in the process of becoming a Catechumen at my local Orthodox Church! I’m so much happier and so are my kids! Thanks for all that you guys are doing!
Amen for that, we need the ladies coming to Jesus. The lack of men involved with faith is quite alarming. The number of men engaging in the Orthodox church has been mind boggling.
Never had one either. Always had a element of "spirituality" interest. Atheism was utterly preposterous to me and never made sense, even as a kid. The only argument that ever really had any validity to me "against" God is the problem of evil and is the only one I hold any respect for, but even then I think it's shallow. I think it depends on how a persons mind works, there's a notable phenomenon of autism in the atheist groups. but often I think it's a kind of suppression due to trauma or a misunderstanding brought upon by the mechanistic philosophy (modernity) that turns God into essentially a bully that pushes you around.
There is indeed a massive rebirth going on with christianity! I came to christ in like 1000 different ways at once and have been seeing signs everywhere of this rebirth of the faith in society. Just take Russel Brand for example. Or Jordan Peterson who is now more openly vocal about his beliefs. Twitter was completely flooded with christ is king and then the defense of easter. We are truly at a pivotal moment.
The story about Paul kingsworth gives Jonathan a chuckle because he says that his wife told him that he would be a Christian, and I’ve heard Jonathan talk about how there’s an interesting phenomenon where a wife or mother’s conversion often leads to the conversion of someone noteworthy. Jonathan gives a smile and I wonder if that’s what he’s thinking.
For some reason I had never thought of the fact that JP's name is Jordan. Very fitting. He is very much Peter's son considering Peter converted so many in one sermon.
People in Quebec seem to be talking and thinking more and more about Christianity and spirituality than ever before and that says a lot considering we kicked out the Roman Catholic church decades ago because of their interference in our political affairs.
@@gabrielsyme4180 You'd be better off asking google what happened because im not a history buff but basically the church kept trying to control what went on here and they were highly corrupt by that point. That whole institution was and is completely infested by the enemies of humanity now.
Addressing the male aspect I believe we are seeing a call to a new Holy Flock of men who are willing to become a living sacrifice or perhaps and literal sacrifice to rebuild the ruined foundations that are and have been wreaking havoc on creation. Ezekiel 36 discusses this culminating in verse 37‘Thus says the Lord God: “I will also let the house of Israel inquire of Me to do this for them: I will increase their men like a flock. 38Like a flock offered as holy sacrifices, like the flock at Jerusalem on its feast days, so shall the ruined cities be filled with flocks of men. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.”
This dude keeps mentioning “male dominated” first with non believers and then with those who believe. What’s the problem with this man and what does he not understand about women. "i don't understand things that man start and organize are also dominated by them, it so strange."
@@notloki3377 Yeah, I came here to say that that’s not an argument against atheism, and I expected someone to respond like this. That said, it’s probably the appropriate response to atheism.
@@Charles3x7 I'd rather somebody be a skeptical atheist than a monotheist cling to their faith like a lifeboat in a storm. Decisions made in trauma are hardly ever rational
@@BrodyAleksander-YOB I'm not interested in being angry with people like you anymore so I'm just going to nip this conversation in the bud. I strongly suggest you read any work of philosophy written in the last 300 years
I remember New Atheism splitting when I was pretty young and just getting on the internet. I noticed it when a bunch of the anti-religion channels that would randomly get suggested turned into anti-feminism channels. At the time, I simply saw them as something more conservative/libertarian, and a lot of their content got rolled into the political content I consumed at the time. It was very strange looking back but now I understand what was happening.
Will no one else address the elephant in the room? Brierley glossed over the internet scene, so allow me to fill you all in. There were many men who were essentially vlogging their thoughts on religion, but one name really sticks out: TJ "TheAmazingAtheist" Kirk aka "God of the Godless." The teens and young adults of the time looked at men like Chrstopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins and found them to be far too disciplined to enact any real shift towards a godless, or at least secular, society. Conversely, Kirk's crass and vulgar demeanor was seen as relatable, and people gravitated towards him. This culminated into what's colloquially known as "the skeptic movement." Perhaps you're familiar with names like: Carl "Sargon of Akkad" Benjamin, Armoured Skeptic, Shoe0nHead, ShortFatOtaku, and many others. They all started with attacking religion but Kirk's hellish disdain for feminism inevitably indulged their own, and so they set their sights on feminism, which caused them to splinter into two factions: the anti-S.J.W.s, which locked arms with a related faction known as the alt-right for a time, and Breadtube. The latter is important because they can be described as the most left-wing people you can imagine. Now imagine they champion DEI and such likes a religious fundamentalist champions devotion to their faith over reason. If there's one thing that the Breadtube has with its predecessor, it's that, in spite of their sheer disdain for Christianity, they looked upon Judaism and Islam as these funny, ethnic versions of Christianity. Moving on, every faction has led youths astray, and while it's understandable to look at their reversion to faith as a good sign, I'm not so convinced that their undergoing their journeys in earnest. These people used consumerism in particular to form their identity, and old habits die hard. Riddle me this, is the nerd who packs his room full of Funko POPs really so different from the Catholic who packs their room full of rosaries, novenas, tabletop crucifixes, candles, etc.?
@@aBraveNewNormal Sounds like if you watched any of Jonathan's other appearances with various kinds of Christians you'd suspect him of secretly being an ecumenist.
Awe that’s so wonderful! I’ve always been a believer however a prodigal daughter! JBP and JP and MP were having a conversation and after it I had a spiritual reawakening! ❤
I can tell you what happened for me: Jordan opened up the bible and I listened. And then JBP introduced me to Jonathan and Bischop Barron. Now I have returned to my Catholic faith.
God bless. Very encouraging. I'm at a non-denominational, but Jonathan is turning me towards Orthodox to find that deeper meaning that Western Christianity lacks..
@@kuddybeef777 Former New Atheist here. Fast forward and I am now an Orthodox catechumen. I agree with your statement on Western Christianity. Western Christianity adopted scholastic theology in the 12-13th century. This was a mistake. It allowed for the creation of all the awful things the Reformers fought against. Unfortunately, they had no way of knowing when and why things had gone wrong. Instead of fixing things, they basically said hold my beer and Reformed Theology was born. This is the reason the Protestant faiths are an atheist factory. Catholicism was essentially reformed in the Counter Reformation, but it is still overly rational, materialist, and humanist. Ultimately, the problems scholasticism caused came full circle in Vatican 2. The most egregious products being Immaculate Conception and Papal Infallibility. Then there is papism itself. Regardless, as far as civilization is concerned, Catholicism is far better than anything else with the exception of Orthodoxy. As far as actually believing in God and pursuing God, the Eastern Orthodox church, despite its faults, is the only way to go. I'm not trying to pick a fight.
I was never really atheist..... But I very much lost my grounding in the Christian faith.... It was Peterson's lecture on the Bible that turned me back around.
“The only really effective apologia for Christianity comes down to two arguments, namely, the saints the Church has produced, and the art which has grown in her womb.”- Pope Benedict XVI
I was already trying to find my way back to Christianity when I came across Pageau's videos. I was reading through the bible and praying daily but was still having trouble squeezing the Book of Genesis into a positivist scientific framework. Developing an understanding the limitations of scientific abstractions as a form of truth. That this view provides only a specific limited perspective of the world and there is more depth to understanding how everything works. Anyway so now I have been attending my local Eastern Orthodox church every week since the start of the year and will be starting catechumen course in May just after Easter.
Science is like a form of magic. You could search through the thickest scientific tome there is and not really expand particularly far in any spiritual direction That is not to say science is without spirit; science is nested within spirit, and is a concise process of valuing Truth over one's projection on reality.
@LKRaider People are better off understanding it, but not having it taught in this cold, rootless, empty way of teaching it. It's actually quite beautiful, and if we all had a better understanding of it, we'd be better voters and better able to manage our health. It needs more imagination. I.e. velociraptor probably looked more like an eagle mixed with a pheasant, rather than some creepy lizard monster. Or, like a ratty reptile with a few sparse feathers. We have fossil evidence of very heavy bird plumage on raptors. Science needs to be brought back to the world of beauty, myth, and symbolism, rather than arbitrarily live off to the side like it is self-caused.
I poured all my sadness, cried my love for all. That all would redeem the sacred marriage and the fallen soul. In the darkest Eve, A man let it pour, under a tree alone wept for the world. And the world, thus witnessed and behold! Rejoice in the movement for God's love is ALL
“The West is poised for revival.” This phrase has been knocking around in my head lately, and idk exactly where it came from. It feels like the idea landed in my head on its own. Or maybe I just landed on it, after watching too much Jordan Peterson / Jonathan Pageau :) I’m quite curious about it, it’s the sort of idea that demands to be fleshed out, and I wonder if it’s accurate / prophetic. So I am grateful for this conversation.
It may have come from 2016. I have no idea why, but *a lot* of people of varying degrees of influence, actually believed that Donald Trump was somehow going to either save the West or be the first step to saving the West. Jeff Giesa was one of those guys and he ended up with a case of buyer's remorse so serious that he declared Biden to more pro-America than Trump in 2020.
The last point from justin described my experience pretty much. I thought I knew what christianity was about and didn’t expect it was actually true. The I found out when I got the law in my heart and found Jesus talked about it. At that point i still didn’t believe the bible was the true word of god. What helped navigate through my own truth to the Truth was talking to a christian friend who knew how to lay out the bible to me in a very loving way
I am a Catholic. I am very disappointed at the hierarchical response to the sexual abuse. And little or no REPENTANCE. Catholics generally have left 'professional religion' to the clergy. Each and every Catholic must change this approach.
The story about Paul kingsworth gives Jonathan a chuckle because he says that his wife told him that he would be a Christian, and I’ve heard Jonathan talk about how there’s an interesting phenomenon where a wife or mother’s conversion often leads to the conversion of someone noteworthy. Jonathan gives a smile and I wonder if that’s what he’s thinking.
Christian atheists? I see people so prideful of their intellectual status that they cannot embrace faith unless they can reason it. That is not atheism. It is pride.
@@nbinghiI perceive them as christians still. Only, their holding on to their intellectual status prevents them from getting out of the closet. Peter did not stop being a disciple of Christ because he denied him five times.
Justin mentioned the component of our current times where the imagination must be baptised as well as the intellect convinced of the truth of Christianity. Yes! In fact, that is exactly what happened to CS Lewis. He says so in Surprised by Joy. The thing that did it for him was the faerie tales of George MacDonald. He says "I read Phantastes and I was entranced. My imagination was baptised. But the rest of me would have to wait a while." This was the first major step in Lewis' conversion as an adult. So yes, yes. Introduce people to good stories. (And MacDonald is great for this!)
I have very recently come to Christ, literally within the last several months. This is exactly my story, and Reading Tom Holland's book and listening to Jordan Peterson for the last couple years is exactly how it happened.
can i suggest that we should recover awe-full? a really full awe that invokes a referential fear of the transcendent… we are too enamoured by awe-some which is nice and not overwhelming and therefore has utility…
22:45 - perhaps… (with a revival) some self sustainability including a sense of community and compassion for Christ and the Holy Spirit that rests with us and anoints us to bring purpose to each others lives and not distract each other like a walking plague of selfish knowledge.
Wonderful conversation. It really is an intense time to be alive. So much hanging in the balance. Thank you both for all that you do to tip the scales in the direction of decency and Truth. I wish Justin great luck with his new podcast. Can’t wait to listen. I’m sure it will not disappoint.
I love this discussion, and many good points are being made and I too am excited by what I am seeing. But I continue to have this vague sense of unease that so much of this talk (and most on this topic that I have seen) seems to point at people joining trying to find meaning. This seems very centered on man and not centered on God. I sense this conflict in myself as a person who always needed to rationalize everything; so maybe I am simply seeing this conflict in everything. I pray often that I will be able to surrender my need to “capture” God by reason, because I believe it is one of the greatest temptations I am faced with.
Church attendance is not necessarily a good yardstick to get the feel of the Spirit at work. Centering Prayer and Christian Interfaith Dialogue are gatherings of the Spirit
I can't wait for the coming days when those who have embraced and given their lives to "woke" ideology to recognize that none of it was true and then come to church in an honest quest for a real identity and a God who loves them more than they can ever know. God is allowing those who are seeking purpose outside of Himself to experience the full consequences of those life choices. I think they probably need to experience the falsehood of it and the emptiness before they can see the light. Also, Christians need to stop "talking" about God as though He is "propositional." God is a person. God desires to relate with His creation. Also, the stories found in the Old Testament are rich. We need to start telling them like real stories with real outcomes and that they are full of meaning for our own lives today. Jordan's and Jonathan's minds are way above mine and I'm sure that they are reaching those who are "like minded." I praise God for them. The story of the church today needs to change from "propositional belief" to "come and live."
Yeah, the Brits are and have always been about breaking up Russia, then the USSR, then the Russian Federation, but now that they are a dying people are doubling down and sending spec ops personnel to prolong the war in Ukraine.
@@tgrogan6049 the fact that we still exist, us Orthodox Christians. It is proven in our science, our geology, archaeology (that is as modern today as it was over 2000 years ago), our textual analysis of all the scriptures and all historical texts BC and AC and the star of Bethlehem, followed by the 3 of the most renowned astronomers in human history. All of this constitutes our faith. It is a way of life for 2024 years now. Hope that helps answer your question, in short.
**looks at volumes upon volumes of books that span centuries up to and including the current day addressing this question** **looks at this post** 🤦🏻♀️
@@daisyviluck7932 There is zero archeological evidence in Palestine for Christianity until the Third Century. We have fragments of texts in the Second Century (maybe??? they are dated by handwriting). We don't even get quotations from "gospel like material" till the Second Century. We have many forged Gospels and Acts and writings that are difficult to date. That is what we have. I have read many books do you have any evidence?
I feel a missing piece is the polarization of the intellectual "awakening" which was those on the hyper "spiritual" new age also coming into balance. You can reduce this to an imbalance of masculine and feminine energy which is also externalizing exponentially. This is coming from all ends. Thanks gentlemen. Men and woman are returning, these gentlemen are in a bubble in a way. To see the broader picture speak to woman coming "down" from the new age, another comparable theme is the Narcissist/Empath or codependent phenomenon prevent now a days. Or the dualists embracing nondual thinking or vice versa. Our extremes recognizing are rooted in the same imbalance. The middle path, Christ. Felt this in 2015 as well.
In the English-speaking world, it was immeadiate post-WW2 era. The old saying about "no athiests in foxholes" has a bit of truth to it. A lot of guys came back from the war l with a desire to know God. I knew quite a few, although most are in heaven now.
17:25 "The threath of Putin invading a (sic) democratic country" I'm enjoying the episode but this guy is hard to take seriously with cringe taked like this
@@BrodyAleksander-YOBSatan rules through domination. Christ rules through free will. If you can't see why Democracy is indeed sacred, you are very, very lost, and very, very anti-Christian.
Go to church; build community; pray; sort out your life in a correct hierarchy so when trouble comes to you, the answers are easier to find; learn the language of wisdom, the patterns of reality; pay attention to the patterns of spirits that show themselves in public; flee from all idolatry….ETC
If this guest was secular I would be more understanding with some of his *very cringe* takes, but I hear him calling himself a Christian. Also what's "The Church" that he keeps refering to? This is a recipe for DIY liberal pragmatic Christianity and Prelest. Least fave guest ever
43:46 - I'm glad to hear this. I loved the documentary series until you got to the point where you kept saying that these people weren't really Christians because they didn't explicitly say what you wanted them to say to be Christians. It irked me so much that I stopped listening to the documentary podcast. I really do think the prodigal son parable comes into play here. The older brother was nitpicking but the father was just happy to have his son back. Maybe just rejoice that they're on the path back to God? Not everyone is going to be there right away. Edit: I will note that I have a personal bias because it was JBP that brought me back to God after 20 years as an atheist (not militant). I am forever grateful to JBP and absolutely grateful to God for using JBP to bring so many back to God (I know I'm not the only one).
People flocking to 'churches' will eventually be sadly disappointed. They will not find anyone like Peterson, Pageau or his brother, in any church. Contemporary churches are full of people who do little to no spiritual practice, who did not bother to study at school or pursue tertiary education. These spaces are still abusive, relational systems of subjugation.
One of the reasons Jonathan tells people to go to Church is *because* it's messy. It's not meant to be a gathering of philosophically enlightened beings. It's the normal people you need to be in communion with instead of looking down on them pridefully. That said there's a lot of different kinds of churches. Some are corrupt for sure, but either you haven't been to enough, or you haven't humbled yourself enough.
You don't want someone like Peterson to be the voice inside a church: As much as he deserves respect, the man is not a christian. His insights can be useful of course, but he is still, ultimately, a jungian.
If the church began to recognize (instead of demonize) the value in the use of plant medicine for inducing a mystical experience, it could lead to a massive revival.
Self sacrificial love being the foundation of sustainable authority is a fact of nature, it's even present in animals. It's not inherently a christian thing, though they get a lot of credit for early adoption of the principle.
Links:
Justin’s website: justinbrierley.com
Surprising Rebirth Book: justinbrierley.com/the-surprising-rebirth-of-belief-in-god/
Surprising Rebirth Podcast: justinbrierley.com/surprisingrebirth/
Justin Brierley’s book on Amazon, The Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God: Why New Atheism Grew Old and Secular Thinkers Are Considering Christianity Again (Sep 2023): www.amazon.com/Surprising-Rebirth-Belief-God-Christianity-ebook/dp/B0BX14YSTH
My recent feature with Justin Brierley on the Re-Enchanting podcast brought to you by Seen & Unseen Magazine: th-cam.com/video/ToWHWrmN2xY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7zU_Te_-p5aasJWm
Mentioned:
- Jordan Peterson on the Unbelievable podcast, debating with Susan Blackmore: th-cam.com/video/syP-OtdCIho/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7UFzr6K6PIluV7fO
- Ayaan Hirsi Ali's article on UnHerd magazine, ‘Why I am now a Christian: Atheism can't equip us for civilisational war’: unherd.com/2023/11/why-i-am-now-a-christian/
New Covenant Whole Gospel: ( Can you honestly answer the three questions below?)
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
This gives me so much hope!!! Justin, you and Tom Wright helped me move from Atheist to Christian this year, and now I’m in the process of becoming a Catechumen at my local Orthodox Church! I’m so much happier and so are my kids! Thanks for all that you guys are doing!
Which Orthodoxy? Greek? Russian? Ukrainian? Orthodox Presbyterian? Coptic? Syriac? Armenian?
My Prayer
@@SirBlackReeds ROCOR
It does *seem* highly male, but we ladies are here & coming back for Jesus too 🙋🏼♀️😂
Amen!
Let it go...
Amen for that, we need the ladies coming to Jesus. The lack of men involved with faith is quite alarming. The number of men engaging in the Orthodox church has been mind boggling.
It seem like a lot of young ladies are coming out of New Age spirituality.
@@RonCopperman yep that’s me lol
I’ve never had an atheist phase, praise God,.. but I find it fascinating that some do.
Never had one either. Always had a element of "spirituality" interest. Atheism was utterly preposterous to me and never made sense, even as a kid. The only argument that ever really had any validity to me "against" God is the problem of evil and is the only one I hold any respect for, but even then I think it's shallow.
I think it depends on how a persons mind works, there's a notable phenomenon of autism in the atheist groups. but often I think it's a kind of suppression due to trauma or a misunderstanding brought upon by the mechanistic philosophy (modernity) that turns God into essentially a bully that pushes you around.
I love this discussion so much! Thank you
There is indeed a massive rebirth going on with christianity! I came to christ in like 1000 different ways at once and have been seeing signs everywhere of this rebirth of the faith in society. Just take Russel Brand for example. Or Jordan Peterson who is now more openly vocal about his beliefs. Twitter was completely flooded with christ is king and then the defense of easter. We are truly at a pivotal moment.
The story about Paul kingsworth gives Jonathan a chuckle because he says that his wife told him that he would be a Christian, and I’ve heard Jonathan talk about how there’s an interesting phenomenon where a wife or mother’s conversion often leads to the conversion of someone noteworthy. Jonathan gives a smile and I wonder if that’s what he’s thinking.
For some reason I had never thought of the fact that JP's name is Jordan. Very fitting. He is very much Peter's son considering Peter converted so many in one sermon.
People in Quebec seem to be talking and thinking more and more about Christianity and spirituality than ever before and that says a lot considering we kicked out the Roman Catholic church decades ago because of their interference in our political affairs.
Quebec used to be one of the most Catholic places in the world. What caused them to “kick out” the Catholic Church?
@@gabrielsyme4180 You'd be better off asking google what happened because im not a history buff but basically the church kept trying to control what went on here and they were highly corrupt by that point. That whole institution was and is completely infested by the enemies of humanity now.
30:13 I'm taking this as permission to plug my music.
Love the perspective on recent history of the new atheist movement to atheism +
It has some gaps in it because it left out the internet scene. Perhaps the name TJ "TheAmazingAtheist" Kirk rings a bell?
29:45 I have said this for a long time. 32:50. Come on.
Addressing the male aspect I believe we are seeing a call to a new Holy Flock of men who are willing to become a living sacrifice or perhaps and literal sacrifice to rebuild the ruined foundations that are and have been wreaking havoc on creation. Ezekiel 36 discusses this culminating in verse 37‘Thus says the Lord God: “I will also let the house of Israel inquire of Me to do this for them: I will increase their men like a flock. 38Like a flock offered as holy sacrifices, like the flock at Jerusalem on its feast days, so shall the ruined cities be filled with flocks of men. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.”
Okay, but who's answering that call?
@@SirBlackReeds My husband and sons. Any man who emulates Christ's behaviors of service, sacrifice, taking responsibility and telling the truth.
Isn't "Christian Atheist" just a sneaky way to say Gnostic? Where is Orthodoxy in this?
This dude keeps mentioning “male dominated” first with non believers and then with those who believe. What’s the problem with this man and what does he not understand about women. "i don't understand things that man start and organize are also dominated by them, it so strange."
Feminist energy, democracy westward energy
Men argue on the internet, while women go through the motions and talk about it in coffee shops
@@crystallogic2543 It depends on the women, really, doesn't it?
I had atheist moment after a terrible betrayal..I experienced it as sheer terror!
Skill issue
@@notloki3377 Yeah, I came here to say that that’s not an argument against atheism, and I expected someone to respond like this. That said, it’s probably the appropriate response to atheism.
@@Charles3x7 I'd rather somebody be a skeptical atheist than a monotheist cling to their faith like a lifeboat in a storm.
Decisions made in trauma are hardly ever rational
@@notloki3377who cares what _you_ prefer or claim is rational? You cant even justify objective truth with your broken worldview 🎉
@@BrodyAleksander-YOB I'm not interested in being angry with people like you anymore so I'm just going to nip this conversation in the bud. I strongly suggest you read any work of philosophy written in the last 300 years
I remember New Atheism splitting when I was pretty young and just getting on the internet. I noticed it when a bunch of the anti-religion channels that would randomly get suggested turned into anti-feminism channels.
At the time, I simply saw them as something more conservative/libertarian, and a lot of their content got rolled into the political content I consumed at the time. It was very strange looking back but now I understand what was happening.
It's Finally Happening.....
Will no one else address the elephant in the room? Brierley glossed over the internet scene, so allow me to fill you all in. There were many men who were essentially vlogging their thoughts on religion, but one name really sticks out: TJ "TheAmazingAtheist" Kirk aka "God of the Godless." The teens and young adults of the time looked at men like Chrstopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins and found them to be far too disciplined to enact any real shift towards a godless, or at least secular, society. Conversely, Kirk's crass and vulgar demeanor was seen as relatable, and people gravitated towards him. This culminated into what's colloquially known as "the skeptic movement."
Perhaps you're familiar with names like: Carl "Sargon of Akkad" Benjamin, Armoured Skeptic, Shoe0nHead, ShortFatOtaku, and many others. They all started with attacking religion but Kirk's hellish disdain for feminism inevitably indulged their own, and so they set their sights on feminism, which caused them to splinter into two factions: the anti-S.J.W.s, which locked arms with a related faction known as the alt-right for a time, and Breadtube. The latter is important because they can be described as the most left-wing people you can imagine. Now imagine they champion DEI and such likes a religious fundamentalist champions devotion to their faith over reason. If there's one thing that the Breadtube has with its predecessor, it's that, in spite of their sheer disdain for Christianity, they looked upon Judaism and Islam as these funny, ethnic versions of Christianity.
Moving on, every faction has led youths astray, and while it's understandable to look at their reversion to faith as a good sign, I'm not so convinced that their undergoing their journeys in earnest. These people used consumerism in particular to form their identity, and old habits die hard. Riddle me this, is the nerd who packs his room full of Funko POPs really so different from the Catholic who packs their room full of rosaries, novenas, tabletop crucifixes, candles, etc.?
Depends on the Catholic. You need to sit down with them and find out
Why is there no volume? I wish it could be better heard. Its not my computer?
Sounds good on my end
24:15 "The Church" this guy doesnt have a clue
25:12 what on earth is "the Church" this guy is talking about
Lemme guess, recent convert?
@@lenk172what kind of weird ecumenist gaslighting question is that?
@@aBraveNewNormal I made no indication of being an ecumenist. Is Jonathan a filthy ecumenist in your eyes?
@@aBraveNewNormal Sounds like if you watched any of Jonathan's other appearances with various kinds of Christians you'd suspect him of secretly being an ecumenist.
JP brought me to JC
😂 same
JP and JP
JBP -> JP -> JC 😊
The two JP’s 😊
Awe that’s so wonderful! I’ve always been a believer however a prodigal daughter! JBP and JP and MP were having a conversation and after it I had a spiritual reawakening! ❤
My atheist phase was the first 11 years of my life. I didn’t choose it, but thankfully God chose me.
I can tell you what happened for me: Jordan opened up the bible and I listened. And then JBP introduced me to Jonathan and Bischop Barron. Now I have returned to my Catholic faith.
God bless. Very encouraging. I'm at a non-denominational, but Jonathan is turning me towards Orthodox to find that deeper meaning that Western Christianity lacks..
@@kuddybeef777 Former New Atheist here. Fast forward and I am now an Orthodox catechumen. I agree with your statement on Western Christianity. Western Christianity adopted scholastic theology in the 12-13th century. This was a mistake. It allowed for the creation of all the awful things the Reformers fought against. Unfortunately, they had no way of knowing when and why things had gone wrong. Instead of fixing things, they basically said hold my beer and Reformed Theology was born. This is the reason the Protestant faiths are an atheist factory. Catholicism was essentially reformed in the Counter Reformation, but it is still overly rational, materialist, and humanist. Ultimately, the problems scholasticism caused came full circle in Vatican 2. The most egregious products being Immaculate Conception and Papal Infallibility. Then there is papism itself. Regardless, as far as civilization is concerned, Catholicism is far better than anything else with the exception of Orthodoxy. As far as actually believing in God and pursuing God, the Eastern Orthodox church, despite its faults, is the only way to go. I'm not trying to pick a fight.
I was never really atheist..... But I very much lost my grounding in the Christian faith.... It was Peterson's lecture on the Bible that turned me back around.
It’s a such an exciting time to be alive!
Jesus Christ is king
“The only really effective apologia for Christianity comes down to two arguments, namely, the saints the Church has produced, and the art which has grown in her womb.”- Pope Benedict XVI
Let’s go!!! Thanks for everything you do, Mr. Pageau
Pageau is top tier
Til we have faces was the CS Lewis book that brought me back to God
Wonderful, I only recently read this myself. What portion or theme was it that resonated with you do you think?
@@atlas944 realizing I was like the main character, selfish and foolish
I was already trying to find my way back to Christianity when I came across Pageau's videos. I was reading through the bible and praying daily but was still having trouble squeezing the Book of Genesis into a positivist scientific framework. Developing an understanding the limitations of scientific abstractions as a form of truth. That this view provides only a specific limited perspective of the world and there is more depth to understanding how everything works. Anyway so now I have been attending my local Eastern Orthodox church every week since the start of the year and will be starting catechumen course in May just after Easter.
Give ‘Genesis, Creation and Early Man’ by Fr. Seraphim Rose a read.
As we say, welcome home
Science is like a form of magic. You could search through the thickest scientific tome there is and not really expand particularly far in any spiritual direction
That is not to say science is without spirit; science is nested within spirit, and is a concise process of valuing Truth over one's projection on reality.
@@hellomate639most people don’t need science in their lives. And that’s the most astonishing thing to this generation.
@LKRaider People are better off understanding it, but not having it taught in this cold, rootless, empty way of teaching it.
It's actually quite beautiful, and if we all had a better understanding of it, we'd be better voters and better able to manage our health.
It needs more imagination. I.e. velociraptor probably looked more like an eagle mixed with a pheasant, rather than some creepy lizard monster. Or, like a ratty reptile with a few sparse feathers. We have fossil evidence of very heavy bird plumage on raptors.
Science needs to be brought back to the world of beauty, myth, and symbolism, rather than arbitrarily live off to the side like it is self-caused.
I poured all my sadness, cried my love for all. That all would redeem the sacred marriage and the fallen soul. In the darkest Eve, A man let it pour, under a tree alone wept for the world. And the world, thus witnessed and behold! Rejoice in the movement for God's love is ALL
“The West is poised for revival.”
This phrase has been knocking around in my head lately, and idk exactly where it came from. It feels like the idea landed in my head on its own. Or maybe I just landed on it, after watching too much Jordan Peterson / Jonathan Pageau :)
I’m quite curious about it, it’s the sort of idea that demands to be fleshed out, and I wonder if it’s accurate / prophetic.
So I am grateful for this conversation.
It may have come from 2016. I have no idea why, but *a lot* of people of varying degrees of influence, actually believed that Donald Trump was somehow going to either save the West or be the first step to saving the West. Jeff Giesa was one of those guys and he ended up with a case of buyer's remorse so serious that he declared Biden to more pro-America than Trump in 2020.
The Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God podcast is really good - really well produced.
Funny that you upload this the day before Richard Dawkins says that he considers himself a "cultural christian", and on april fools day too.
The last point from justin described my experience pretty much. I thought I knew what christianity was about and didn’t expect it was actually true. The I found out when I got the law in my heart and found Jesus talked about it. At that point i still didn’t believe the bible was the true word of god. What helped navigate through my own truth to the Truth was talking to a christian friend who knew how to lay out the bible to me in a very loving way
I am a Catholic. I am very disappointed at the hierarchical response to the sexual abuse. And little or no REPENTANCE. Catholics generally have left 'professional religion' to the clergy. Each and every Catholic must change this approach.
Justin is a great guest 👍 🎉 This was an amazing conversation with so many treasures (& encouragements/ on the side) so glad I watched 👏
The story about Paul kingsworth gives Jonathan a chuckle because he says that his wife told him that he would be a Christian, and I’ve heard Jonathan talk about how there’s an interesting phenomenon where a wife or mother’s conversion often leads to the conversion of someone noteworthy. Jonathan gives a smile and I wonder if that’s what he’s thinking.
The final attack on Christianity won't come from atheism, it will be from syncretism.
What if it comes from neither?
@@SirBlackReeds it will come from christians themselves, who will fashion a Christ in their own image; an ‘anti-christ’
@@SirBlackReeds it will come from christians themselves, who will fashion a Christ in their own image; an ‘anti-christ’
Christian atheists? I see people so prideful of their intellectual status that they cannot embrace faith unless they can reason it. That is not atheism. It is pride.
It's also not Christian.
@@nbinghiI perceive them as christians still. Only, their holding on to their intellectual status prevents them from getting out of the closet. Peter did not stop being a disciple of Christ because he denied him five times.
Justin mentioned the component of our current times where the imagination must be baptised as well as the intellect convinced of the truth of Christianity. Yes! In fact, that is exactly what happened to CS Lewis. He says so in Surprised by Joy. The thing that did it for him was the faerie tales of George MacDonald. He says "I read Phantastes and I was entranced. My imagination was baptised. But the rest of me would have to wait a while."
This was the first major step in Lewis' conversion as an adult. So yes, yes. Introduce people to good stories. (And MacDonald is great for this!)
Had to turn off my restricted option on TH-cam to see this. I wanted to limit adult content and comments but idk y it censored this specific video
Love from México
Great talk!
Blows my mind that intelligent people buy the ‘threat of Putin’ absurdity though
Well, I've heard it's heavily rooted in England, so I cut British some slack in that regard :)
Guy can't even beat scrappy little Ukraine in four years. Complete paper tiger.
Thanks for the sobering reassurance 😊✝️📘🐇🙏❤️🔥
I have very recently come to Christ, literally within the last several months. This is exactly my story, and Reading Tom Holland's book and listening to Jordan Peterson for the last couple years is exactly how it happened.
❤
can i suggest that we should recover awe-full? a really full awe that invokes a referential fear of the transcendent… we are too enamoured by awe-some which is nice and not overwhelming and therefore has utility…
22:45 - perhaps… (with a revival) some self sustainability including a sense of community and compassion for Christ and the Holy Spirit that rests with us and anoints us to bring purpose to each others lives and not distract each other like a walking plague of selfish knowledge.
Wonderful conversation. It really is an intense time to be alive. So much hanging in the balance. Thank you both for all that you do to tip the scales in the direction of decency and Truth. I wish Justin great luck with his new podcast. Can’t wait to listen. I’m sure it will not disappoint.
Great conversation!
Fascinating premise
Wonderful discussion
I AM that I AM. ❤
I love this discussion, and many good points are being made and I too am excited by what I am seeing. But I continue to have this vague sense of unease that so much of this talk (and most on this topic that I have seen) seems to point at people joining trying to find meaning. This seems very centered on man and not centered on God. I sense this conflict in myself as a person who always needed to rationalize everything; so maybe I am simply seeing this conflict in everything. I pray often that I will be able to surrender my need to “capture” God by reason, because I believe it is one of the greatest temptations I am faced with.
Church attendance is not necessarily a good yardstick to get the feel of the Spirit at work. Centering Prayer and Christian Interfaith Dialogue are gatherings of the Spirit
Thanks
Where is the April Fools video?
Kings of wishful thinking 👑
I can't wait for the coming days when those who have embraced and given their lives to "woke" ideology to recognize that none of it was true and then come to church in an honest quest for a real identity and a God who loves them more than they can ever know. God is allowing those who are seeking purpose outside of Himself to experience the full consequences of those life choices. I think they probably need to experience the falsehood of it and the emptiness before they can see the light.
Also, Christians need to stop "talking" about God as though He is "propositional." God is a person. God desires to relate with His creation. Also, the stories found in the Old Testament are rich. We need to start telling them like real stories with real outcomes and that they are full of meaning for our own lives today. Jordan's and Jonathan's minds are way above mine and I'm sure that they are reaching those who are "like minded." I praise God for them. The story of the church today needs to change from "propositional belief" to "come and live."
I laughed at "propasituonal"....ya.
Thank you! This really struck a chord with what I'm going through right now.
17:25 “the threat of Putin invading a democratic country.”
Grow up. Lemming thinking 🙄
Yeah, the Brits are and have always been about breaking up Russia, then the USSR, then the Russian Federation, but now that they are a dying people are doubling down and sending spec ops personnel to prolong the war in Ukraine.
Where is the evidence for Christianity being true except for ancient texts?
Look at Archelogy, Mathematics, Science and other evidence for it.
@@yukihirasouma4691 Science blasts the claims of the Bible. Geology, Biology, Archeology, Textual Criticism, Astronomy.....
@@tgrogan6049 the fact that we still exist, us Orthodox Christians. It is proven in our science, our geology, archaeology (that is as modern today as it was over 2000 years ago), our textual analysis of all the scriptures and all historical texts BC and AC and the star of Bethlehem, followed by the 3 of the most renowned astronomers in human history. All of this constitutes our faith. It is a way of life for 2024 years now. Hope that helps answer your question, in short.
**looks at volumes upon volumes of books that span centuries up to and including the current day addressing this question**
**looks at this post**
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@@daisyviluck7932 There is zero archeological evidence in Palestine for Christianity until the Third Century. We have fragments of texts in the Second Century (maybe??? they are dated by handwriting). We don't even get quotations from "gospel like material" till the Second Century. We have many forged Gospels and Acts and writings that are difficult to date. That is what we have. I have read many books do you have any evidence?
I feel a missing piece is the polarization of the intellectual "awakening" which was those on the hyper "spiritual" new age also coming into balance. You can reduce this to an imbalance of masculine and feminine energy which is also externalizing exponentially. This is coming from all ends. Thanks gentlemen. Men and woman are returning, these gentlemen are in a bubble in a way. To see the broader picture speak to woman coming "down" from the new age, another comparable theme is the Narcissist/Empath or codependent phenomenon prevent now a days. Or the dualists embracing nondual thinking or vice versa. Our extremes recognizing are rooted in the same imbalance. The middle path, Christ. Felt this in 2015 as well.
2017ish there was a huge move of God in the New Age world.
Great comment but do not mistake Christ for the "middle path", that's *way* off. It's the Royal Path
47:42 Paul Kingsnorth and Martin Shaw are theological beer buddies.😂
Butt buddies
When was the last “great revival”?
In the English-speaking world, it was immeadiate post-WW2 era. The old saying about "no athiests in foxholes" has a bit of truth to it. A lot of guys came back from the war l with a desire to know God. I knew quite a few, although most are in heaven now.
Perhaps the Victorian period too?
Justin did a great job on Unbelievable. I lost interest in that show when he left.
Cringe
Agreed. I gott half way, this was brutal
17:25 "The threath of Putin invading a (sic) democratic country" I'm enjoying the episode but this guy is hard to take seriously with cringe taked like this
How is this take cringe?
@@hellomate639 a) Ukraine is not a democratic country b) treating democracy like it's some sacred value is super cringe
@@hellomate639c) Ukraine is actively persecuting the Orthodox church
@@BrodyAleksander-YOBSatan rules through domination. Christ rules through free will.
If you can't see why Democracy is indeed sacred, you are very, very lost, and very, very anti-Christian.
@@hellomate639”do as thou wilt” who said this
25:18 "What can we do?" It's a question I wonder about a lot. As leaders or teachers or mentors or parents, what should we be doing?
Thoughts?
Go to church; build community; pray; sort out your life in a correct hierarchy so when trouble comes to you, the answers are easier to find; learn the language of wisdom, the patterns of reality; pay attention to the patterns of spirits that show themselves in public; flee from all idolatry….ETC
If this guest was secular I would be more understanding with some of his *very cringe* takes, but I hear him calling himself a Christian.
Also what's "The Church" that he keeps refering to?
This is a recipe for DIY liberal pragmatic Christianity and Prelest.
Least fave guest ever
Throw that stone brother!
Calling everything prelest is a sign of prelest.
@@hellomate639cool strawman, engage with was said next time
@@leondbleondb? Not allowed to have an opinion?
@@aBraveNewNormalWhich strawman? You accused Jonathan and Justin of spiritual irresponsibility leaving them open to demonic deception, did you not?
43:46 - I'm glad to hear this. I loved the documentary series until you got to the point where you kept saying that these people weren't really Christians because they didn't explicitly say what you wanted them to say to be Christians. It irked me so much that I stopped listening to the documentary podcast. I really do think the prodigal son parable comes into play here. The older brother was nitpicking but the father was just happy to have his son back. Maybe just rejoice that they're on the path back to God? Not everyone is going to be there right away.
Edit: I will note that I have a personal bias because it was JBP that brought me back to God after 20 years as an atheist (not militant). I am forever grateful to JBP and absolutely grateful to God for using JBP to bring so many back to God (I know I'm not the only one).
Oh, now that's cool. You might enjoy a fellow named (Pastor) Paul Vanderklay. He has a channel called this little corner
Awesome, resonates with me as an Omnitheist
So they were literally in an elevator? Does anyone else see how ironic that is?😂
People flocking to 'churches' will eventually be sadly disappointed. They will not find anyone like Peterson, Pageau or his brother, in any church. Contemporary churches are full of people who do little to no spiritual practice, who did not bother to study at school or pursue tertiary education. These spaces are still abusive, relational systems of subjugation.
One of the reasons Jonathan tells people to go to Church is *because* it's messy. It's not meant to be a gathering of philosophically enlightened beings. It's the normal people you need to be in communion with instead of looking down on them pridefully.
That said there's a lot of different kinds of churches. Some are corrupt for sure, but either you haven't been to enough, or you haven't humbled yourself enough.
You don't want someone like Peterson to be the voice inside a church: As much as he deserves respect, the man is not a christian. His insights can be useful of course, but he is still, ultimately, a jungian.
And that is still better than being an atheist. Imagine the shock!
@@lenk172Well said.
@@lenk172 The ultimate redpill is the humilitypill ❤
If the church began to recognize (instead of demonize) the value in the use of plant medicine for inducing a mystical experience, it could lead to a massive revival.
😂
That’s not mysticism, that’s hallucination
@@daisyviluck7932 be honest, do you have any personal experience in this area or are you repeating something someone else has told you?
Religion is the same as science. Both stretch the imagination
Self sacrificial love being the foundation of sustainable authority is a fact of nature, it's even present in animals.
It's not inherently a christian thing, though they get a lot of credit for early adoption of the principle.
Wrong. L
@@BrodyAleksander-YOB No u
Without the Christian God you dont have facts or nature, nor the ability to make truth claims. SUCH A MASSIVE L
@@BrodyAleksander-YOB well that's self-evidently false but thank you for sharing your opinion
@@BrodyAleksander-YOB okay, I have officially stopped giving a shit. Nobody cares about your fucking 90 IQ takes