I guess we learned that some rattlers can upgrade and some can't. I think you got decent results overall. Thanks for doing it and sharing the results with us!
Great exercise showcasing the rattlers. It shows that when you buy these you can be confident in the grade either being accurate or undergraded. Very rare to find a overgraded coin in a rattler although you do have to be careful to avoid PVC, over designated color on copper, and over designated PL and Dmpl coins
Of the 15 or so PCGS rattlers I cracked out and sent back to PCGS, all but one (which came back the same grade) came back at least one grade higher with three coming back 2 grades higher. These were all commems, if it makes any difference.
Ben - Thanks for the great photography. It probably took much time and effort. I know - I have tried - but have never achieved the results you have. Good job!!!
Great video as always! I love my rattlers and could never crack them open, but have always been curious how some would crossover. Thank you for doing the dirty work for us!
Hi, Ben. maybe it would be worth it if there is a big jump in price in the next grade. But then, they tend to grade harder when there is a big jump. I don't collect holders or labels. *TYU*
3 rattlers had combined +3 numerical upgrades, small sample size, but I'd say yes! Even the toned Morgan that didn't upgrade, I'd pay closer to MS65 money for the attractive toning.
I've had fairly Goodluck by buying Rattler's and OGH.. I was buying them right until it seems everyone seemed to raise the prices on their Rattler's & OGH. Then I started searching out OLD Anacs holders along with ANA Holder's. Seems like the word got about them also. You have to buy the coin right or won't gain any money if it upgrades. I had some real good Luck with 2 Anacs Walking Liberty halves. 2 of them did better than I would have never guessed they would. One went up to a 66+ from a 64, and the other went from a 64 to a 66. I almost had a accident in my pants. LOL. If you don't try this, you will never know. I have been somewhat successful
I nailed 'em all but one. Why is it I can grade YOUR coins, but mine come back a grade or 2 lower than expected? It must be because I don't have skin in the game when playing "Crackout Game - Home Edition".
Ben, I think you should send in a few mundane and ubiquitous coins for grading just for the fun of it and see what happens maybe then auction them off. Maybe even put a booger one of the coins and see if PCGS leaves it in place or rejects the coin. If the a coin grading company can regrade a coin and it goes up two points, it shows that the professional coin grading is nothing more than someone's opinion and subject to change the next day. What a racket...
Do all Morgan's go up in value or just the CC Morgan's? Just woundering!! Got my self today a 1891 cc Morgan dollar PCGS F15 My 1st Morgan I always wanted one 😁😁 hopefully my 2nd Morgan will be a 1878 cc
Why would you break a rattler at all? People buy coins in them for a premium. If you think that the coin would upgrade, why not just send it to CAC? Rattlers are already historically significant. On top of it all that St. Gaudens ended up with the same grade as the rattler. What's the point? Now you've lost money to get it re-graded, only to receive the same grade, and arguably from a TPGS that is considered slightly less desirable, and lost any potential premium for the rattler.
@@okgroomer1966 obviously. That isn't the point. What *is* the point is, given a choice between two coins that are of the same grade and eye appeal, which one is more desirable? It's the one with a more historically significant slab, all other things being equal, because that's what the market has been showing for the past several years.
Looks like I should crack out all my rattlers and crossover. If CAC doesn't accept new accounts soon I won't even need them. Crack out time. They can CAC my new grades!
I think it depends on the coin and the CAC. For example, that 1887 Morgan (according to Grey Sheet) is $123 w/o CAC and $144 with CAC at MS64. However if it happened to get a Gold CAC, then it would jump (I think) to $286. But at MS65 Grey Sheet says $240. So in this case, the regrade is worth more than a CAC (on paper) unless the CAC was gold. However, I think the NGC holder kills all of this speculation. The MS64 in PCGS OGH, especially with a CAC, is probably woth more than an NGC at MS65.
If one would assume that a rattler would get a CAC sticker. Which one would be better to have: A rattler with a CAC sticker or, a grade point higher in a new holder? I guess it would depend on the date & if there is a big jump in price between the two grades.
I'd find grading a much more valuable service if it was done closer to how ancients are done. Multiple scores without trying to nail down a specific 1-70 number with subjective standards. The current system has people chasing slabs and stickers, the coins are almost of secondary importance. A loved coin can become unwanted all over some putz and his opinions.
Hi, Ben. maybe it would be worth it if there is a big jump in price in the next grade. But then, they tend to grade harder when there is a big jump. I don't collect holders or labels. *TYU*
I guess we learned that some rattlers can upgrade and some can't. I think you got decent results overall. Thanks for doing it and sharing the results with us!
Great exercise showcasing the rattlers. It shows that when you buy these you can be confident in the grade either being accurate or undergraded. Very rare to find a overgraded coin in a rattler although you do have to be careful to avoid PVC, over designated color on copper, and over designated PL and Dmpl coins
With copper it’s likely they turned in the holders and weren’t necessarily over graded but the results are the same
Fascinating. What a treasure all this old content that is new to me 😅
Of the 15 or so PCGS rattlers I cracked out and sent back to PCGS, all but one (which came back the same grade) came back at least one grade higher with three coming back 2 grades higher. These were all commems, if it makes any difference.
Cool experiment, thanks Ben!
The question of the year!
Love this video! My last video was about rattlers and I gave you props in it. Thank you!
That merc with a gold cac on the rattler would have fetched a good premium.
Ben - Thanks for the great photography. It probably took much time and effort. I know - I have tried - but have never achieved the results you have. Good job!!!
Thanks Ben
Great video as always! I love my rattlers and could never crack them open, but have always been curious how some would crossover. Thank you for doing the dirty work for us!
Thanks for the crack out, Ben. My recent Rattler submissions to CAC have not faired well. A first Gen holder is no guarantee of success.
Great video! Looks like some success there with rattlers!
Hi, Ben. maybe it would be worth it if there is a big jump in price in the next grade. But then, they tend to grade harder when there is a big jump. I don't collect holders or labels. *TYU*
3 rattlers had combined +3 numerical upgrades, small sample size, but I'd say yes! Even the toned Morgan that didn't upgrade, I'd pay closer to MS65 money for the attractive toning.
You the man coin geek still waiting on my seated dollar video but a rattler crackout video will definitely do. Thanks for the content.
Greetings Ben, thanks for sharing this "experiment" with us. Best Wishes
Sure are! I find some old anacs soapbox coins undergraded as well
I've had fairly Goodluck by buying Rattler's and OGH.. I was buying them right until it seems everyone seemed to raise the prices on their Rattler's & OGH. Then I started searching out OLD Anacs holders along with ANA Holder's. Seems like the word got about them also. You have to buy the coin right or won't gain any money if it upgrades.
I had some real good Luck with 2 Anacs Walking Liberty halves. 2 of them did better than I would have never guessed they would. One went up to a 66+ from a 64, and the other went from a 64 to a 66. I almost had a accident in my pants. LOL. If you don't try this, you will never know. I have been somewhat successful
I'll take either 1881s both great looking coins
Hey Ben, always love your content. The real test would to take five retakers sight unseen and see what the difference is .
I nailed 'em all but one. Why is it I can grade YOUR coins, but mine come back a grade or 2 lower than expected? It must be because I don't have skin in the game when playing "Crackout Game - Home Edition".
Thanks! Now I want to revisit my rattlers!
Blast white. All the way. I like shiny candy.
I think they missed out on the 1924 double Eagle. They do come nice and that one was very nice.
If everyone cracked out coins and regraded them then the pop report could not be trusted ?
Ben, I think you should send in a few mundane and ubiquitous coins for grading just for the fun of it and see what happens maybe then auction them off. Maybe even put a booger one of the coins and see if PCGS leaves it in place or rejects the coin. If the a coin grading company can regrade a coin and it goes up two points, it shows that the professional coin grading is nothing more than someone's opinion and subject to change the next day. What a racket...
Awesome. Maybe the rattle crazy is overgraded....errr...overrated.
That 1924 $20 in my opinion should have come back as a MS 64 + That is worth a CAC Sticker All Day Long
Do all Morgan's go up in value or just the CC Morgan's? Just woundering!! Got my self today a 1891 cc Morgan dollar PCGS F15 My 1st Morgan I always wanted one 😁😁 hopefully my 2nd Morgan will be a 1878 cc
Why would you break a rattler at all? People buy coins in them for a premium. If you think that the coin would upgrade, why not just send it to CAC? Rattlers are already historically significant. On top of it all that St. Gaudens ended up with the same grade as the rattler. What's the point? Now you've lost money to get it re-graded, only to receive the same grade, and arguably from a TPGS that is considered slightly less desirable, and lost any potential premium for the rattler.
It's a piece of plastic. This hobby is about coins🤦♂️
Not any more
@@okgroomer1966 obviously. That isn't the point. What *is* the point is, given a choice between two coins that are of the same grade and eye appeal, which one is more desirable? It's the one with a more historically significant slab, all other things being equal, because that's what the market has been showing for the past several years.
@@stevenhopkins429 what's not? See my previous comment.
I'd NEVER crack a rattler and send it to NGC...@@singlesideman
Personally I like the old Anacs holders.Seems they did not know their was a grade above 65.
It proves it might be better to crack out than send of for A sticker from a company that doesn't cater to everyone!
Looks like I should crack out all my rattlers and crossover. If CAC doesn't accept new accounts soon I won't even need them. Crack out time. They can CAC my new grades!
Chalk one up for NGC
What do you think about CAC?
Value wise would it have been worth trying to get the rattlers CACed instead?
I think it would be a wash on the four coins but definitely make a few $ on the dime which probably had a 50/50 shot of going gold
I think it depends on the coin and the CAC. For example, that 1887 Morgan (according to Grey Sheet) is $123 w/o CAC and $144 with CAC at MS64. However if it happened to get a Gold CAC, then it would jump (I think) to $286. But at MS65 Grey Sheet says $240. So in this case, the regrade is worth more than a CAC (on paper) unless the CAC was gold. However, I think the NGC holder kills all of this speculation. The MS64 in PCGS OGH, especially with a CAC, is probably woth more than an NGC at MS65.
Under-rated or under-graded? Or both?
Comment down below.
These days i'd say rattlers always go for a premium. Basically standard to assume that a rattler would CAC or regrade a grade higher
If one would assume that a rattler would get a CAC sticker. Which one would be better to have: A rattler with a CAC sticker or, a grade point higher in a new holder? I guess it would depend on the date & if there is a big jump in price between the two grades.
With the current market you would've been much better off sending those all to CAC
I'd find grading a much more valuable service if it was done closer to how ancients are done. Multiple scores without trying to nail down a specific 1-70 number with subjective standards. The current system has people chasing slabs and stickers, the coins are almost of secondary importance. A loved coin can become unwanted all over some putz and his opinions.
Send the rattler holder coins to PCGS regrading is better than crack out.
MS65 NGC new holder is less valuable than MS64 PCGS Rattler holder
What is a rattler?
I know someone you can talk to about your crackout problem 😉
So what does this all prove? Do you trust today's TPG'ERS,or those from 20 years ago? Or is it all about the next higher grade to make more money
Hi, Ben. maybe it would be worth it if there is a big jump in price in the next grade. But then, they tend to grade harder when there is a big jump. I don't collect holders or labels. *TYU*