Lmfao Losing is literally part of any competition. If you aren’t willing to lose, you aren’t willing to win. You don’t have to “normalize” something that is normal, regular, daily occurrence that comes with the territory…. It already is normal.
Harstem: - we are definitely going to straight up win the game. 30 seconds later - this doesnt mean that we are loosing the game 30 seconds later - gg counter doesnt change because we lost and lets jump up to another game.
When Harstem figures out how baneling runbys work he's going to be a problem. He correctly determines that the opponent army is on the map twice but does not send units to complete the backstab. Take a page from Reynor's playbook Captain, you gotta 2 prong when your opponent leaves his base, especially when you're playing ling/bane/hydra.
his control of literally every unit was bad, lol. hydras "dancing in the storms" was basically him admitting that he moved into his opponents storms, fired some volleys, then ran away. literally ran into and then out of storms, and shot like 2 volleys, terrible idea.
Zerg players: Planning about the first few minutes in which hatchery each unit spawns and what each queen does and where it goes to get the most efficient build order. Harstem: I don't have a Zerg build order. Just like in most Zerg build orders you just do what you feel is right.
Hey Harstem that second game Vs Protoss that attack can hit much sooner if you follow reapers new build order 3:20 12 Lings and all 3 ravs in front of the Protoss’s base and ling speed is done before the adept cross the map I’ve been using it with great success as I’ve got a 72% win rate with it major difference of the build are no hatch, make a queen instead and first 50 mins make one drone then gas then pool on 12 pool finishes the exact time you have 100-100 for speed you start it after the make 3 lings and follow it with a roach warren, queen, ovie, roaches, ravs, cut gas after ravs, flood lings, win the game. All by 3:20 saw this exact build used against maxpax to great success!
The only counter that I have found that EVER works is rush stargate make a void ray otherwise everything else it too slow I’d love to see you use the build it’s INSANELY strong broken Imba
@@jaceedwards937 meh two gate 1 zel, 2 adept, stalker till no more rush+ 3 battery + extra pylon (normally go for just a normal 4 gate glaive as followup)(if it's the one base version you just immortal + more battery + probe), worked for me, I'm only 4.5K tho so take that with a grain of salt
@@rectsq immortal can be tough but you can physically attack the immortal while the void ray just rains doom for eternity on your poor ravs it’s pretty much over if we lose 2 ravs without turning literally everything off in the P base have to dive every pylon we try to ignore batteries using that Strat because we’re hitting so early the 2nd and 3rd batt are still warping like we are literally sending biles over the wall by no later that 3:25 if you hit the timings correctly which is pretty easy to do honestly
@@rectsq we should be winning by the time all of that stuff would finish 3:20 is around when the adept comes flying out of the base or 3 mins if your opponent chrono’d to my knowledge that’s when I always see the little guy and he just gets mobbed by the lings bc we have speed by that time we get ling speed by like 2:30 2:45
If you had a worker ready to build a hatchery in his natural after you killed it, could you have defended it to completion with the spine? And would that be game?
If I'm reconstructing your first 50 games before the counter fix correctly, GG percentage for games split into chunks of 50 have gone as follows: 30/50, 60% 27/50, 54% 33/48, 69%
You may have lost this last game because of your banelings connecting with archons and not killing them instead of connecting with the zealots and adepts, what do you think?
I recently discovered the parental controls option on my bnet account and have turned all chat off - it has been a revelation. All my former ladder anxieties have gone because now it just feels like I'm playing a single player game. All I ever said previously was glhf and gg anyway so I'm not losing much, but I am spared all the whining, bitching and moaning, and I no longer have to listen to the opinions of the kind of people I wouldn't piss on. Sorry if any of you don't get a glhf or a gg from me in the future but I am enjoying my game again and that's what matters.
I don't know, I feel like you're letting it get to you I also experience this singleplayer vibe to this game sometimes though. So challenging but you can take it at your own pace.
@@Tsnafu you do you. I just have random people pleasant chat with me during my ladder games. Haven't seen much bm. Maybe it's for the best i stay gold.
@@sakesaurus Gold is fun. Diamond is the land of salt where 50% of players think they belong in masters and it's all your fault that they are not there yet.
I want Harstem to get a P O Box so I can send him a big wheel of cheese Edit: Look at Harstem, manner fuzz, cleaning up the ladder Edit: Just finished the video, where was the spine rush?
That hatch/spine should have been patched the first moment it was discovered. Honestly I dont get how something that dumb that allows a player to circumvent game balancing mechanics such as creep is allowed to be in the game.
I wonder why more people don't do overlords spreading creep, and drop a queen, make a creep colony, then move on to do this in many places. Maybe it's not worth the attention it takes?
Masters 1 here... the answer is that it's usually too expensive and slow. I believe Dropperlords are a massively underappreciated Zerg unit, but Overlords and Zerglings are usually better suited for this job. If you want to proactively scout and delay your opponent's expansions (without a fight), then researching Burrow and burying 1 Zergling on location is probably the most efficient way. It is cheaper and much faster than researching Pneumatized Carapace (Overlord speed), upgrading to Lair, and buying a Queen to stuff inside an Overlord, to then deploy creep around the edges of your opponent's vision. Regular Overlords dropping creep on location can also work in a pinch, but that's about it. Once you upgrade the Overlord and put a Queen inside, it becomes too high risk for too little reward. There's a strategic cost for having two key defensive/macro units away from home in the form of a slow-flying transport. For the unit cost and amount of tech required, it would probably be better to use a Nydus Network to move your Queens around the map instantly. Nyduses generate a small bit of Creep, so they are perfect catalysts for some offensive tumors! Also note that every tumor spent abroad is a tumor that could be pushing your main creep lines, which are often more contentious. Creep spreads more rapidly for each nearby active tumor, so early in the game you want to get several clusters going in each lane. I definitely think there's a time and place for Dropperlords carrying Queens in order to be annoying with well placed creep tumors, but those instances are few and far between, especially when you consider the potential of a Dropperlord to carry more lethal units, such as 4 Banelings, in which case you'd have a tool that could wipe out entire mineral lines. Hope my opinion helps you.
@@SawyerSGN My thinking is that creep tumor lanes from the side into the middle will actually help creep in the middle, since beyond a 2nd creep tumor in one area, there is no additional spread boost. And if the sources are spread out, they won't hit the active tumors all at once. It's a lot to manage for sure though, and zerg already has more to manage than other races.
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd There's not much advantage to creeping the corners if you're not going to be playing in that area. If your goal is to creep the middle as fast as possible, your tumors from home should make it there first, likely before you even have Lair and a transport Overlord ready for your tactic, at which point it's still probably faster to create a 'creep highway' with a few Overlords, and walk your creep Queens to wherever you wanted the proxy tumor. The more tumors are in one area, the faster it will spread. It's not limited to 2. At 5 tumors, you'll only have to wait one second for your creep to reach optimal spread. Again I think offensively creeping with a Dropperlord and a Queen could be a solid way to buy some ground around your opponent's 4th and 5th bases, or wherever you expect to be fighting, but earlier than that it's quite risky, slow, and expensive compared to other equally efficacious methods of getting map vision and control.
sc2 boaring, harstem we seen this all b4 1k times. fix the balance so the game gets better. gonna watch something else in the meantime, im sure this stupid cheese build was so much fun and amazing, not a waste of time and life at all. RIP sc2
This "no gg you are bad mannered" attitude is wrong, example you walking in the hood and someone just punch you in the face and say "its all in the game homie" but you are just want to buy 1L milk in the store... If you cheese you are a gangster and the macro only players are the citizens, you booth live in the same city but no my friend no gg.
Now that SC2 is officially dead, we should start talking about greatest players of each race. Life is the greatest Zerg. Maru is the great Terran. Who is the greatest Protoss? 🤔🤔
@@david7384 it's dead because blizzard officially abandoned it, killed the prize pool for the pro-scene...no incentive for participating in tournaments... Game is dead dead.
smurfing is definitely more toxic than not saying gg or sending some one liner salty message. youre robbing people of their time. love the vids, just think the manner talk is hypocritical and sanctimonious.
I really appreciate how Harstem normalizes losing
lol
Story of his life at this point, so why shouldn't he?
Lmfao
Losing is literally part of any competition. If you aren’t willing to lose, you aren’t willing to win.
You don’t have to “normalize” something that is normal, regular, daily occurrence that comes with the territory…. It already is normal.
@@emaster01 i guess I feel the same way about chess now that you mention it
"happens to the best" - Harstem every video
LOL
Harstem:
- we are definitely going to straight up win the game.
30 seconds later
- this doesnt mean that we are loosing the game
30 seconds later
- gg counter doesnt change because we lost and lets jump up to another game.
When Harstem figures out how baneling runbys work he's going to be a problem. He correctly determines that the opponent army is on the map twice but does not send units to complete the backstab. Take a page from Reynor's playbook Captain, you gotta 2 prong when your opponent leaves his base, especially when you're playing ling/bane/hydra.
his control of literally every unit was bad, lol. hydras "dancing in the storms" was basically him admitting that he moved into his opponents storms, fired some volleys, then ran away. literally ran into and then out of storms, and shot like 2 volleys, terrible idea.
Harstem admitting to being terrified of the Zerg Cabal mafe my day.
8:51 "One of my favorite builds...It's so extremely braindead..." Hahahaha 😂😂😂
spoken like a true protoss player
A long time ago I think winter taught me that carapace is way better in Muta vs Muta Battles than attack upgrades because of the bounce
Zerg players: Planning about the first few minutes in which hatchery each unit spawns and what each queen does and where it goes to get the most efficient build order.
Harstem: I don't have a Zerg build order. Just like in most Zerg build orders you just do what you feel is right.
Thats literal every race lol. Serral maru and maxpax and then there are the wingers like dark ext
Very close related: "I have a build order I want to try out", then 30 seconds later "I'm not sure I'm supposed to pull drones with this???"
he's just taking a jab Reynor, who is a self-acclaimed freestyler
This came straight out of Serral's playbook. I still remember Serral's face, smiling after he pulled this spine rush off.
I think Bly did this first
Hey Harstem that second game Vs Protoss that attack can hit much sooner if you follow reapers new build order 3:20 12 Lings and all 3 ravs in front of the Protoss’s base and ling speed is done before the adept cross the map I’ve been using it with great success as I’ve got a 72% win rate with it major difference of the build are no hatch, make a queen instead and first 50 mins make one drone then gas then pool on 12 pool finishes the exact time you have 100-100 for speed you start it after the make 3 lings and follow it with a roach warren, queen, ovie, roaches, ravs, cut gas after ravs, flood lings, win the game. All by 3:20 saw this exact build used against maxpax to great success!
72% win rate overall with Protoss I’ve only lost 2 games with that all in and it was only 2 GM’s who had already played reaper using it against them
The only counter that I have found that EVER works is rush stargate make a void ray otherwise everything else it too slow I’d love to see you use the build it’s INSANELY strong broken Imba
@@jaceedwards937 meh two gate 1 zel, 2 adept, stalker till no more rush+ 3 battery + extra pylon (normally go for just a normal 4 gate glaive as followup)(if it's the one base version you just immortal + more battery + probe), worked for me, I'm only 4.5K tho so take that with a grain of salt
@@rectsq immortal can be tough but you can physically attack the immortal while the void ray just rains doom for eternity on your poor ravs it’s pretty much over if we lose 2 ravs without turning literally everything off in the P base have to dive every pylon we try to ignore batteries using that Strat because we’re hitting so early the 2nd and 3rd batt are still warping like we are literally sending biles over the wall by no later that 3:25 if you hit the timings correctly which is pretty easy to do honestly
@@rectsq we should be winning by the time all of that stuff would finish 3:20 is around when the adept comes flying out of the base or 3 mins if your opponent chrono’d to my knowledge that’s when I always see the little guy and he just gets mobbed by the lings bc we have speed by that time we get ling speed by like 2:30 2:45
That pure joy itself at 26:23 is worth "like" :D
"I'm just a man, made of flesh and blood... and cheese" 😂😂😂 so far a favorite captain quote 😆
Creep spread on game 3 probably would have been a huge help
title: spine rush feels imbalanced
game: Harstem does a spinerush and gets absolutely wrecked
He didn’t say in what direction
If you had a worker ready to build a hatchery in his natural after you killed it, could you have defended it to completion with the spine? And would that be game?
The last game looked like a beating grand masters with stupid stuff game… the challenge being Zerg without spreading any creep
the challenge also being "rush into a ling drop and do literally nothing but scout" LOL
thanks for that illustration of how hydras really do suck
Would it be possible to use creep-poop from an overlord for the spinecrawler? Could support it.
if i recall, you need lair for that so it would take too long
The investment is what holds that idea back. Takes too long to get it rolling.
cant you just use a queen to tumour the poop?
That 2 second build reminds me of me cheesing my way to p1 back then with stephanos 8 roach push
>welcome to a new episode of the cheesiest man alive
>opens with a 12 pool
gigachad
just watching one of the best sc2 players in the world not spread creep for 9 minutes. Approved
He built 2 queens. That was super frustrating to look at
Nothing is better than the Cheesiest Man Alive.
13:20 this is a real effect and it's called the watching-eye effect
Here have some cheese 🧀
Yeah right, blings without speed creeping between bases off creep. "Why did I lose?"
Definitely thought that was for sure an unloseable last game. Toss IMBA?
I can relate to @22:17, I get upset the same way
You're a content MACHINE!
If I'm reconstructing your first 50 games before the counter fix correctly, GG percentage for games split into chunks of 50 have gone as follows:
30/50, 60%
27/50, 54%
33/48, 69%
can you add overlord vomit for the way back of the spine crawler?
final game without creep at all - that's how protoss race in the blood works
you were blue Harstem
you were winning
Do we all deserve such a great content creator?
Definitely not.
You may have lost this last game because of your banelings connecting with archons and not killing them instead of connecting with the zealots and adepts, what do you think?
I love the mutalisk.
I recently discovered the parental controls option on my bnet account and have turned all chat off - it has been a revelation. All my former ladder anxieties have gone because now it just feels like I'm playing a single player game. All I ever said previously was glhf and gg anyway so I'm not losing much, but I am spared all the whining, bitching and moaning, and I no longer have to listen to the opinions of the kind of people I wouldn't piss on. Sorry if any of you don't get a glhf or a gg from me in the future but I am enjoying my game again and that's what matters.
I don't know, I feel like you're letting it get to you
I also experience this singleplayer vibe to this game sometimes though. So challenging but you can take it at your own pace.
@@sakesaurus not any more my friend. The game is great, it's the people that get my back up
@@Tsnafu you do you. I just have random people pleasant chat with me during my ladder games. Haven't seen much bm. Maybe it's for the best i stay gold.
Florencio is feeding off those poor souls
@@sakesaurus Gold is fun. Diamond is the land of salt where 50% of players think they belong in masters and it's all your fault that they are not there yet.
Classic Harstem, complains about Zerg brains, doesn't make any creep tumors or spread creep.
500 banelings? Sorry your opponent built 3 high templars - you're done for.
some fun games here.
30:07 :D
Finland reporting.
Harstem, you need to be more cheesy in your competitive matches. You're so good at it!
Army value went down the storm drain
Why did you transfuse a drone who be morf to a spore crawler ? Thats make no sense
Harstem scared of the zerg cabal?
creeeeeep spread🤔 last game after 8 min creep did not even connect your bases 🖖
The only thing that feels imbalanced is protoss
cope
As a random player, can confirm
How so?
I want Harstem to get a P O Box so I can send him a big wheel of cheese
Edit: Look at Harstem, manner fuzz, cleaning up the ladder
Edit: Just finished the video, where was the spine rush?
Literally the first game
Good!
harstem can't say it so i will
*zerg council*
That hatch/spine should have been patched the first moment it was discovered. Honestly I dont get how something that dumb that allows a player to circumvent game balancing mechanics such as creep is allowed to be in the game.
I see a potantial meomaikafan fan here
I wonder why more people don't do overlords spreading creep, and drop a queen, make a creep colony, then move on to do this in many places. Maybe it's not worth the attention it takes?
but even if you just did it twice, in the two corners, you could spread so much more creep and get corner vision and delay expansions.
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd combo it with a forward defensive nydus also mayb
Masters 1 here... the answer is that it's usually too expensive and slow. I believe Dropperlords are a massively underappreciated Zerg unit, but Overlords and Zerglings are usually better suited for this job. If you want to proactively scout and delay your opponent's expansions (without a fight), then researching Burrow and burying 1 Zergling on location is probably the most efficient way. It is cheaper and much faster than researching Pneumatized Carapace (Overlord speed), upgrading to Lair, and buying a Queen to stuff inside an Overlord, to then deploy creep around the edges of your opponent's vision. Regular Overlords dropping creep on location can also work in a pinch, but that's about it. Once you upgrade the Overlord and put a Queen inside, it becomes too high risk for too little reward.
There's a strategic cost for having two key defensive/macro units away from home in the form of a slow-flying transport. For the unit cost and amount of tech required, it would probably be better to use a Nydus Network to move your Queens around the map instantly. Nyduses generate a small bit of Creep, so they are perfect catalysts for some offensive tumors!
Also note that every tumor spent abroad is a tumor that could be pushing your main creep lines, which are often more contentious. Creep spreads more rapidly for each nearby active tumor, so early in the game you want to get several clusters going in each lane.
I definitely think there's a time and place for Dropperlords carrying Queens in order to be annoying with well placed creep tumors, but those instances are few and far between, especially when you consider the potential of a Dropperlord to carry more lethal units, such as 4 Banelings, in which case you'd have a tool that could wipe out entire mineral lines.
Hope my opinion helps you.
@@SawyerSGN My thinking is that creep tumor lanes from the side into the middle will actually help creep in the middle, since beyond a 2nd creep tumor in one area, there is no additional spread boost. And if the sources are spread out, they won't hit the active tumors all at once. It's a lot to manage for sure though, and zerg already has more to manage than other races.
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd There's not much advantage to creeping the corners if you're not going to be playing in that area. If your goal is to creep the middle as fast as possible, your tumors from home should make it there first, likely before you even have Lair and a transport Overlord ready for your tactic, at which point it's still probably faster to create a 'creep highway' with a few Overlords, and walk your creep Queens to wherever you wanted the proxy tumor.
The more tumors are in one area, the faster it will spread. It's not limited to 2. At 5 tumors, you'll only have to wait one second for your creep to reach optimal spread.
Again I think offensively creeping with a Dropperlord and a Queen could be a solid way to buy some ground around your opponent's 4th and 5th bases, or wherever you expect to be fighting, but earlier than that it's quite risky, slow, and expensive compared to other equally efficacious methods of getting map vision and control.
Zerg dont need to be buffed he said... and then storms destroyed him in one second. Yeah, tosses arent op, totally.
I love your Zerg plays, I want to hire you as my coach ! I am diamond can you make me master 1 ?
CHEEEEEEEEEESE
Protoss imba
sc2 boaring, harstem we seen this all b4 1k times. fix the balance so the game gets better. gonna watch something else in the meantime, im sure this stupid cheese build was so much fun and amazing, not a waste of time and life at all. RIP sc2
Do you ever think it's time to give it up? You're a married man now, maybe it's time to get a job.
4th
😂
I love your videos man, but please, for the love of God, quit with the false click bates.
This "no gg you are bad mannered" attitude is wrong, example you walking in the hood and someone just punch you in the face and say "its all in the game homie" but you are just want to buy 1L milk in the store... If you cheese you are a gangster and the macro only players are the citizens, you booth live in the same city but no my friend no gg.
Now that SC2 is officially dead, we should start talking about greatest players of each race. Life is the greatest Zerg. Maru is the great Terran. Who is the greatest Protoss? 🤔🤔
I don't think it's dead YET...
lol, Serral is the goat, the discussion is closed.
If pro sc2 is dead can we bring life back??
@@david7384 it's dead because blizzard officially abandoned it, killed the prize pool for the pro-scene...no incentive for participating in tournaments...
Game is dead dead.
any cannon rusher
smurfing is definitely more toxic than not saying gg or sending some one liner salty message. youre robbing people of their time. love the vids, just think the manner talk is hypocritical and sanctimonious.