This SPINE Rush Feels IMBALANCED | Cheesiest Man Alive

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  • @jwmmitch
    @jwmmitch ปีที่แล้ว +96

    I really appreciate how Harstem normalizes losing

    • @alechickmott9132
      @alechickmott9132 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol

    • @DiverDrive428
      @DiverDrive428 ปีที่แล้ว

      Story of his life at this point, so why shouldn't he?

    • @emaster01
      @emaster01 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Lmfao
      Losing is literally part of any competition. If you aren’t willing to lose, you aren’t willing to win.
      You don’t have to “normalize” something that is normal, regular, daily occurrence that comes with the territory…. It already is normal.

    • @jwmmitch
      @jwmmitch ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@emaster01 i guess I feel the same way about chess now that you mention it

    • @JFox4587
      @JFox4587 ปีที่แล้ว

      "happens to the best" - Harstem every video
      LOL

  • @user-nx3zm3ln7m
    @user-nx3zm3ln7m ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Harstem:
    - we are definitely going to straight up win the game.
    30 seconds later
    - this doesnt mean that we are loosing the game
    30 seconds later
    - gg counter doesnt change because we lost and lets jump up to another game.

  • @Alloran
    @Alloran ปีที่แล้ว +14

    When Harstem figures out how baneling runbys work he's going to be a problem. He correctly determines that the opponent army is on the map twice but does not send units to complete the backstab. Take a page from Reynor's playbook Captain, you gotta 2 prong when your opponent leaves his base, especially when you're playing ling/bane/hydra.

    • @JFox4587
      @JFox4587 ปีที่แล้ว

      his control of literally every unit was bad, lol. hydras "dancing in the storms" was basically him admitting that he moved into his opponents storms, fired some volleys, then ran away. literally ran into and then out of storms, and shot like 2 volleys, terrible idea.

  • @DelawareBrooks
    @DelawareBrooks ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Harstem admitting to being terrified of the Zerg Cabal mafe my day.

  • @enymus3081
    @enymus3081 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    8:51 "One of my favorite builds...It's so extremely braindead..." Hahahaha 😂😂😂

    • @space_orphan
      @space_orphan ปีที่แล้ว +2

      spoken like a true protoss player

  • @crescentmoon2806
    @crescentmoon2806 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    A long time ago I think winter taught me that carapace is way better in Muta vs Muta Battles than attack upgrades because of the bounce

  • @jaceedwards937
    @jaceedwards937 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hey Harstem that second game Vs Protoss that attack can hit much sooner if you follow reapers new build order 3:20 12 Lings and all 3 ravs in front of the Protoss’s base and ling speed is done before the adept cross the map I’ve been using it with great success as I’ve got a 72% win rate with it major difference of the build are no hatch, make a queen instead and first 50 mins make one drone then gas then pool on 12 pool finishes the exact time you have 100-100 for speed you start it after the make 3 lings and follow it with a roach warren, queen, ovie, roaches, ravs, cut gas after ravs, flood lings, win the game. All by 3:20 saw this exact build used against maxpax to great success!

    • @jaceedwards937
      @jaceedwards937 ปีที่แล้ว

      72% win rate overall with Protoss I’ve only lost 2 games with that all in and it was only 2 GM’s who had already played reaper using it against them

    • @jaceedwards937
      @jaceedwards937 ปีที่แล้ว

      The only counter that I have found that EVER works is rush stargate make a void ray otherwise everything else it too slow I’d love to see you use the build it’s INSANELY strong broken Imba

    • @rectsq
      @rectsq ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jaceedwards937 meh two gate 1 zel, 2 adept, stalker till no more rush+ 3 battery + extra pylon (normally go for just a normal 4 gate glaive as followup)(if it's the one base version you just immortal + more battery + probe), worked for me, I'm only 4.5K tho so take that with a grain of salt

    • @jaceedwards937
      @jaceedwards937 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rectsq immortal can be tough but you can physically attack the immortal while the void ray just rains doom for eternity on your poor ravs it’s pretty much over if we lose 2 ravs without turning literally everything off in the P base have to dive every pylon we try to ignore batteries using that Strat because we’re hitting so early the 2nd and 3rd batt are still warping like we are literally sending biles over the wall by no later that 3:25 if you hit the timings correctly which is pretty easy to do honestly

    • @jaceedwards937
      @jaceedwards937 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rectsq we should be winning by the time all of that stuff would finish 3:20 is around when the adept comes flying out of the base or 3 mins if your opponent chrono’d to my knowledge that’s when I always see the little guy and he just gets mobbed by the lings bc we have speed by that time we get ling speed by like 2:30 2:45

  • @SerbanOprescu
    @SerbanOprescu ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This came straight out of Serral's playbook. I still remember Serral's face, smiling after he pulled this spine rush off.

    • @aliaytek3276
      @aliaytek3276 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think Bly did this first

  • @nikospyridis9579
    @nikospyridis9579 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Zerg players: Planning about the first few minutes in which hatchery each unit spawns and what each queen does and where it goes to get the most efficient build order.
    Harstem: I don't have a Zerg build order. Just like in most Zerg build orders you just do what you feel is right.

    • @Name-ru1kt
      @Name-ru1kt ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thats literal every race lol. Serral maru and maxpax and then there are the wingers like dark ext

    • @joaoornelas1582
      @joaoornelas1582 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very close related: "I have a build order I want to try out", then 30 seconds later "I'm not sure I'm supposed to pull drones with this???"

    • @SawyerSGN
      @SawyerSGN ปีที่แล้ว

      he's just taking a jab Reynor, who is a self-acclaimed freestyler

  • @warwickthekingmaker7281
    @warwickthekingmaker7281 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    title: spine rush feels imbalanced
    game: Harstem does a spinerush and gets absolutely wrecked

  • @Kryzcek
    @Kryzcek ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That pure joy itself at 26:23 is worth "like" :D

  • @Aphrodesiak
    @Aphrodesiak 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "I'm just a man, made of flesh and blood... and cheese" 😂😂😂 so far a favorite captain quote 😆

  • @DrDegenerate_YT
    @DrDegenerate_YT ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The last game looked like a beating grand masters with stupid stuff game… the challenge being Zerg without spreading any creep

    • @JFox4587
      @JFox4587 ปีที่แล้ว

      the challenge also being "rush into a ling drop and do literally nothing but scout" LOL

  • @edogelbard1901
    @edogelbard1901 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    just watching one of the best sc2 players in the world not spread creep for 9 minutes. Approved

    • @Mglunafh
      @Mglunafh ปีที่แล้ว

      He built 2 queens. That was super frustrating to look at

  • @nagoshi01
    @nagoshi01 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Creep spread on game 3 probably would have been a huge help

  • @kilvesx7924
    @kilvesx7924 ปีที่แล้ว

    >welcome to a new episode of the cheesiest man alive
    >opens with a 12 pool
    gigachad

  • @billybob-wx2re
    @billybob-wx2re ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thanks for that illustration of how hydras really do suck

  • @ahoj1707
    @ahoj1707 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That 2 second build reminds me of me cheesing my way to p1 back then with stephanos 8 roach push

  • @theodorestinson50
    @theodorestinson50 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you had a worker ready to build a hatchery in his natural after you killed it, could you have defended it to completion with the spine? And would that be game?

  • @drewaforbes
    @drewaforbes ปีที่แล้ว

    Nothing is better than the Cheesiest Man Alive.

  • @bennif8120
    @bennif8120 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Would it be possible to use creep-poop from an overlord for the spinecrawler? Could support it.

    • @whateverppl1229
      @whateverppl1229 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      if i recall, you need lair for that so it would take too long

    • @megawaffle612
      @megawaffle612 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The investment is what holds that idea back. Takes too long to get it rolling.

    • @billylion3073
      @billylion3073 ปีที่แล้ว

      cant you just use a queen to tumour the poop?

  • @sakesaurus
    @sakesaurus ปีที่แล้ว

    13:20 this is a real effect and it's called the watching-eye effect

  • @lky1399
    @lky1399 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Definitely thought that was for sure an unloseable last game. Toss IMBA?

  • @buck_X
    @buck_X ปีที่แล้ว

    If I'm reconstructing your first 50 games before the counter fix correctly, GG percentage for games split into chunks of 50 have gone as follows:
    30/50, 60%
    27/50, 54%
    33/48, 69%

  • @type568
    @type568 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah right, blings without speed creeping between bases off creep. "Why did I lose?"

  • @pedrobastos8132
    @pedrobastos8132 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can relate to @22:17, I get upset the same way

  • @danielstohr6391
    @danielstohr6391 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Here have some cheese 🧀

  • @randommcranderson5155
    @randommcranderson5155 ปีที่แล้ว

    500 banelings? Sorry your opponent built 3 high templars - you're done for.
    some fun games here.

  • @Hairintd
    @Hairintd ปีที่แล้ว

    final game without creep at all - that's how protoss race in the blood works

  • @Tsnafu
    @Tsnafu ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I recently discovered the parental controls option on my bnet account and have turned all chat off - it has been a revelation. All my former ladder anxieties have gone because now it just feels like I'm playing a single player game. All I ever said previously was glhf and gg anyway so I'm not losing much, but I am spared all the whining, bitching and moaning, and I no longer have to listen to the opinions of the kind of people I wouldn't piss on. Sorry if any of you don't get a glhf or a gg from me in the future but I am enjoying my game again and that's what matters.

    • @sakesaurus
      @sakesaurus ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know, I feel like you're letting it get to you
      I also experience this singleplayer vibe to this game sometimes though. So challenging but you can take it at your own pace.

    • @Tsnafu
      @Tsnafu ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sakesaurus not any more my friend. The game is great, it's the people that get my back up

    • @sakesaurus
      @sakesaurus ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Tsnafu you do you. I just have random people pleasant chat with me during my ladder games. Haven't seen much bm. Maybe it's for the best i stay gold.

    • @tiberiu_nicolae
      @tiberiu_nicolae ปีที่แล้ว

      Florencio is feeding off those poor souls

    • @Tsnafu
      @Tsnafu ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sakesaurus Gold is fun. Diamond is the land of salt where 50% of players think they belong in masters and it's all your fault that they are not there yet.

  • @leeroyjenks
    @leeroyjenks 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Classic Harstem, complains about Zerg brains, doesn't make any creep tumors or spread creep.

  • @andreashalbfeld7671
    @andreashalbfeld7671 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're a content MACHINE!

  • @-JackER
    @-JackER ปีที่แล้ว

    can you add overlord vomit for the way back of the spine crawler?

  • @Benefitssniping
    @Benefitssniping ปีที่แล้ว

    you were blue Harstem
    you were winning

  • @pr4vus.studios
    @pr4vus.studios ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You may have lost this last game because of your banelings connecting with archons and not killing them instead of connecting with the zealots and adepts, what do you think?

  • @bencheevers6693
    @bencheevers6693 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I want Harstem to get a P O Box so I can send him a big wheel of cheese
    Edit: Look at Harstem, manner fuzz, cleaning up the ladder
    Edit: Just finished the video, where was the spine rush?

  • @Aiursanta
    @Aiursanta ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do we all deserve such a great content creator?

    • @pursutruth
      @pursutruth ปีที่แล้ว

      Definitely not.

  • @ZLO_FAF
    @ZLO_FAF ปีที่แล้ว

    30:07 :D

  • @space_orphan
    @space_orphan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Harstem, you need to be more cheesy in your competitive matches. You're so good at it!

  • @sakesaurus
    @sakesaurus ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the mutalisk.

  • @d.h.1794
    @d.h.1794 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    creeeeeep spread🤔 last game after 8 min creep did not even connect your bases 🖖

  • @JoosefKaario
    @JoosefKaario ปีที่แล้ว

    Finland reporting.

  • @velocirapper
    @velocirapper ปีที่แล้ว

    Army value went down the storm drain

  • @vpr1422
    @vpr1422 ปีที่แล้ว

    Harstem scared of the zerg cabal?

  • @brandon0sh
    @brandon0sh 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    harstem can't say it so i will
    *zerg council*

  • @sejamstihm
    @sejamstihm 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good!

  • @muttinnittin6527
    @muttinnittin6527 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see a potantial meomaikafan fan here

  • @letrolleurdujura5611
    @letrolleurdujura5611 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why did you transfuse a drone who be morf to a spore crawler ? Thats make no sense

  • @nazar5618
    @nazar5618 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The only thing that feels imbalanced is protoss

  • @11slain
    @11slain ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your Zerg plays, I want to hire you as my coach ! I am diamond can you make me master 1 ?

  • @expepem189xl3
    @expepem189xl3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Zerg dont need to be buffed he said... and then storms destroyed him in one second. Yeah, tosses arent op, totally.

  • @wischmopps293
    @wischmopps293 ปีที่แล้ว

    Minuten 30. He got tossed so hard

  • @AntiDoctor-cx2jd
    @AntiDoctor-cx2jd ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder why more people don't do overlords spreading creep, and drop a queen, make a creep colony, then move on to do this in many places. Maybe it's not worth the attention it takes?

    • @AntiDoctor-cx2jd
      @AntiDoctor-cx2jd ปีที่แล้ว

      but even if you just did it twice, in the two corners, you could spread so much more creep and get corner vision and delay expansions.

    • @brookeroftheborealvalley9672
      @brookeroftheborealvalley9672 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd combo it with a forward defensive nydus also mayb

    • @SawyerSGN
      @SawyerSGN ปีที่แล้ว

      Masters 1 here... the answer is that it's usually too expensive and slow. I believe Dropperlords are a massively underappreciated Zerg unit, but Overlords and Zerglings are usually better suited for this job. If you want to proactively scout and delay your opponent's expansions (without a fight), then researching Burrow and burying 1 Zergling on location is probably the most efficient way. It is cheaper and much faster than researching Pneumatized Carapace (Overlord speed), upgrading to Lair, and buying a Queen to stuff inside an Overlord, to then deploy creep around the edges of your opponent's vision. Regular Overlords dropping creep on location can also work in a pinch, but that's about it. Once you upgrade the Overlord and put a Queen inside, it becomes too high risk for too little reward.
      There's a strategic cost for having two key defensive/macro units away from home in the form of a slow-flying transport. For the unit cost and amount of tech required, it would probably be better to use a Nydus Network to move your Queens around the map instantly. Nyduses generate a small bit of Creep, so they are perfect catalysts for some offensive tumors!
      Also note that every tumor spent abroad is a tumor that could be pushing your main creep lines, which are often more contentious. Creep spreads more rapidly for each nearby active tumor, so early in the game you want to get several clusters going in each lane.
      I definitely think there's a time and place for Dropperlords carrying Queens in order to be annoying with well placed creep tumors, but those instances are few and far between, especially when you consider the potential of a Dropperlord to carry more lethal units, such as 4 Banelings, in which case you'd have a tool that could wipe out entire mineral lines.
      Hope my opinion helps you.

    • @AntiDoctor-cx2jd
      @AntiDoctor-cx2jd ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SawyerSGN My thinking is that creep tumor lanes from the side into the middle will actually help creep in the middle, since beyond a 2nd creep tumor in one area, there is no additional spread boost. And if the sources are spread out, they won't hit the active tumors all at once. It's a lot to manage for sure though, and zerg already has more to manage than other races.

    • @SawyerSGN
      @SawyerSGN ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd There's not much advantage to creeping the corners if you're not going to be playing in that area. If your goal is to creep the middle as fast as possible, your tumors from home should make it there first, likely before you even have Lair and a transport Overlord ready for your tactic, at which point it's still probably faster to create a 'creep highway' with a few Overlords, and walk your creep Queens to wherever you wanted the proxy tumor.
      The more tumors are in one area, the faster it will spread. It's not limited to 2. At 5 tumors, you'll only have to wait one second for your creep to reach optimal spread.
      Again I think offensively creeping with a Dropperlord and a Queen could be a solid way to buy some ground around your opponent's 4th and 5th bases, or wherever you expect to be fighting, but earlier than that it's quite risky, slow, and expensive compared to other equally efficacious methods of getting map vision and control.

  • @vpr1422
    @vpr1422 ปีที่แล้ว

    Protoss imba

  • @Heathensauce
    @Heathensauce ปีที่แล้ว

    CHEEEEEEEEEESE

  • @benjamindeh873
    @benjamindeh873 ปีที่แล้ว

    That hatch/spine should have been patched the first moment it was discovered. Honestly I dont get how something that dumb that allows a player to circumvent game balancing mechanics such as creep is allowed to be in the game.

  • @DiverDrive428
    @DiverDrive428 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you ever think it's time to give it up? You're a married man now, maybe it's time to get a job.

  • @wesscott904
    @wesscott904 ปีที่แล้ว

    sc2 boaring, harstem we seen this all b4 1k times. fix the balance so the game gets better. gonna watch something else in the meantime, im sure this stupid cheese build was so much fun and amazing, not a waste of time and life at all. RIP sc2

  • @borisp9988
    @borisp9988 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love your videos man, but please, for the love of God, quit with the false click bates.

  • @Nuub1
    @Nuub1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4th

    • @DrMJJr
      @DrMJJr ปีที่แล้ว

      😂

  • @kaceydillin7367
    @kaceydillin7367 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Now that SC2 is officially dead, we should start talking about greatest players of each race. Life is the greatest Zerg. Maru is the great Terran. Who is the greatest Protoss? 🤔🤔

    • @hampoof6087
      @hampoof6087 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I don't think it's dead YET...

    • @michaellevin1400
      @michaellevin1400 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      lol, Serral is the goat, the discussion is closed.

    • @david7384
      @david7384 ปีที่แล้ว

      If pro sc2 is dead can we bring life back??

    • @petercarioscia9189
      @petercarioscia9189 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@david7384 it's dead because blizzard officially abandoned it, killed the prize pool for the pro-scene...no incentive for participating in tournaments...
      Game is dead dead.

    • @nazar5618
      @nazar5618 ปีที่แล้ว

      any cannon rusher

  • @KaedeHot
    @KaedeHot ปีที่แล้ว

    This "no gg you are bad mannered" attitude is wrong, example you walking in the hood and someone just punch you in the face and say "its all in the game homie" but you are just want to buy 1L milk in the store... If you cheese you are a gangster and the macro only players are the citizens, you booth live in the same city but no my friend no gg.

  • @harodihg
    @harodihg ปีที่แล้ว

    smurfing is definitely more toxic than not saying gg or sending some one liner salty message. youre robbing people of their time. love the vids, just think the manner talk is hypocritical and sanctimonious.