Well when cypher comes to terra with guilliman presumably to kill him so he can be revived, custodian had a vision from the emperor to send cypher a message - “not yet”. Presumably even big e knows he shouldnt be revived yet, his good shard with all his emotions like love and stuff is still somewhere in the warp after he cut it out to fight horus, so yeah if emperor gets revived before he reclaiks that shard of himself nothing good would come out of it
Not true only the Chaos Gods, the Ork gods Gork and Mork and the cosmic entities C’tan were blights to the universe, the other gods were pretty cool dudes
@@hollowkiller1011 Nah the Old One's pettiness is the cause of the Necrontyr becoming the Necrons due to not even lifting a finger to help them even a little bit, and thus through their inaction and apathy causing the War in Heaven. *Also they made the Orks and now that's EVERYONE'S problem*
I also like the quote after this were gulliman asked if he can come back. Which cawl inferior said "If it is possible to restore the Emperor, if He could regain true life, then what went into the golden throne in the imperial palace may not be what emerges. There is great peril in considering this, even as hypothesis, because thoughts lead to actions. Whether we intend them to or not. Before you know it, reach into disaster, all from good intentions." Which after the fact, called all gods blights.
Yeah, this is most telling. The Emperor had been losing his humanity more and more by the time of the end of the Unification Wars, something Valdor noted and Malcador replied 'there was always a price to be paid'. Now add 10,000 years on the Golden Throne. Yeah...
@@Ares99999 That "Now add 10,000 years on the Golden Throne" was were my mind first lept. Because after 10,000 years of having his soul sandpapered away piece by piece by the tides of the Warp, in no way is the Emperor still fully human or entirely sane as we know it
"if the emperor could be revived, he would not be what sat down on that throne 10,000 years ago" Perhaps one of the most chilling revelations from this conversation .
The imperium is retarded he can't die Vulcan didn't get that ability out of thin air he got it from the emperor if they just let him actaully die on the throne room he would revive he's a perpetual
The Astronomicon is the least of what its doing. Its also sealing the webway portal thats on Terra ... If big E were to die, or leave the throne, the portal would open on terra and the multitudes of demons would spill out over the planet ...
@@michaelriddick7116 If I remember right, they have a contingency for that. Supposedly, there's a big ol' bomb or something attached to the the golden throne. If the emperors body dies, then terra will go with. It sucks, and the sol system will become the center of a gigantic warp breach without big E there to stem the tide, but the point was to make sure that chaos could never claim humanities homeworld. Besides, after eye of terror 2: Human texture pack edition, its not like it could ever be reclaimed anyway...
The Emperor doesn't need to be on Throne to power the Astronomican. He can do that from anywhere. The issue is he needs to be somewhat alive to power it. In his current state he cannot be fully reborn without dying. But the moment he does die the Astronomican goes with him.
"If your father came back," said the old man while sitting in a chair. "How do you know you'd be facing the same man you once knew? Ten thousand years, 3650000 days of consciousness, with no pause, no one to talk to, with his mind assaulted by daemons and prayers of the faithful alike, it is not a small feat that he is still clinging to life... No, if anything, this is the most terrifying fate any human could ever endure." The old man sipped on his tea, looking into the Primarch's eyes. "I remember the old days, still. I remember the iterators spreading his words through the legions and compliant worlds. That he was but a very powerful man, but a man nonetheless. Today, I would pray it is not the case and he lied to us, that he was actually a god in disguise, because if he is human, then there is no way he would ever come back as he was." He paused again, looking into the empty cup. "The tragedy of his sacrifice, Lord-Regent, is that to save him, we would have needed Magnus. But we would have needed Magnus 10000 years ago. If the Emperor is human, then at this point, his mind is so shattered that there is nothing left of him. He is no better than a servitor, a battery to power the Astronomican and keep the Webway portal closed." "Watch your mouth, Capito," hissed Guilliman. "You are speaking of my father *and* to your master." "I speak only as I see it, my Lord," shrugged Capito with another sip. "I've been around your kind for long enough to know that you'd hate false comfort more than harsh truths. I miss the Emperor. I miss his light and the sound of his voice. I miss hearing the clunk of the Sigillite's staff echoing through the hallways of the Imperial Palace. I miss the days I could discuss philosophies for hours with some random iterator just shy of caving his head in with any of Platon's treaties. There are so many things we lost in the war, but I miss the humans we grew with." "We can still get back up. We have to believe in humans, mortals, and that they can become better." "I leave the beliefs and faith to the Adepta Sororitas and the Ministorum. Unless you plan to revolutionize every single Imperial world, my Lord, what we have, we are stuck with."
In short im not saying he is a god but....if he was one and brought back to full health he would more than likely be just as much of a threat as the chaos gods are.
Agree. What most so call gods in the Warhammer 40k universes,fall under as deities then true gods. Because their powers depends on the amount of followers they have.
Deities in Warhammer outervetsal entities who are the sentient manifestations of natural forces and mortals emotions, if they have lots of followers and the concept they embody is the most dominant force in the universe then they would be at their most powerful but if they have no followers or the concept they embody is less rampant across reality then they would become like ghosts , they won’t die but they will be unable to influence the universe and they become weak
The Inquisition can't touch Cawl. Idk if you read Genefather but if they went after Cawl it would cause a huge schism in the Mechanicus nearly as bad during the Horus Heresy.
@@Lobossumi Beings who are omnipotent. Something that the so called gods in Warhammer 40k are not. In fact most of them in 40k if not all of them. Fall under the classification of a Deities. The strange grows and wanes, depending on how many followers they have.
@@judeduval5724 Most Gods in history are not omnipotent, omniscient or omnipresent. As far as I'm aware, there's only one triad branching religion that is omnipotent and Big E stamped them out of existence so maybe not the best one to bring up.
@@DaSoda70 Another key that separates Dieities and Gods is worship. For God, it is more of an Option than a requirement. While for Deities it more of a requirement.
I wouldn't necessarily count on wanting the emperor back so soon; hes been stuck on the throne for god knows how long in such horrific pain feeding on souls like a dying fire feeds on ashes. If Big E got up off the throne; Guilliman better hope hes not near him: because i imagine Big E will get up with a bone to pick with a lot of people and his sons will be on the list
The brightest light casts the darkest shadows. The Emperor is human at heart, and he is probably very traumatized after all he's been through and carries much pain. My hope is that he can break through his dark side and find healing, and bring the best attributes of humanity into the warp, become the Dark and Light God of Humanity.
"Can Dad come back to life?"
"Eh... not a good idea, G man"
"Mr. Guilliman, have you ever heard the story of the Monkey's Paw?"
@@hfar_in_the_sky the whole monkey gonna start tweakin
@@hfar_in_the_sky the monkey gonna get up with this one
@@hfar_in_the_sky we gotta worry about more than the paw
Well when cypher comes to terra with guilliman presumably to kill him so he can be revived, custodian had a vision from the emperor to send cypher a message - “not yet”. Presumably even big e knows he shouldnt be revived yet, his good shard with all his emotions like love and stuff is still somewhere in the warp after he cut it out to fight horus, so yeah if emperor gets revived before he reclaiks that shard of himself nothing good would come out of it
"All Gods are blights on existence, whether they call themselves Gods or not."
Not true only the Chaos Gods, the Ork gods Gork and Mork and the cosmic entities C’tan were blights to the universe, the other gods were pretty cool dudes
@@avishkarchaudhary6348Are you calling bloody handed Khaine a cool dude ?
@avishkarchaudhary6348 So far, not a single god besides the old ones have done anything benevolent
@@hollowkiller1011 i dunno Isha seems pretty chill.
@@hollowkiller1011 Nah the Old One's pettiness is the cause of the Necrontyr becoming the Necrons due to not even lifting a finger to help them even a little bit, and thus through their inaction and apathy causing the War in Heaven.
*Also they made the Orks and now that's EVERYONE'S problem*
I love how Cawl handles this question
Poorly and with deflection?
Gillyman: "Yes, very interesting NOW ANSWER THE EXACT QUESTION."
You forgot that it told him "what sat on the tnrone might not be the same thing that leaves"
Not forget; no place, there is choices to be made in a 200 word script
I also like the quote after this were gulliman asked if he can come back. Which cawl inferior said
"If it is possible to restore the Emperor, if He could regain true life, then what went into the golden throne in the imperial palace may not be what emerges. There is great peril in considering this, even as hypothesis, because thoughts lead to actions. Whether we intend them to or not. Before you know it, reach into disaster, all from good intentions."
Which after the fact, called all gods blights.
Yeah, this is most telling. The Emperor had been losing his humanity more and more by the time of the end of the Unification Wars, something Valdor noted and Malcador replied 'there was always a price to be paid'. Now add 10,000 years on the Golden Throne. Yeah...
Sometimes, dead is bettah.
@@Ares99999 That "Now add 10,000 years on the Golden Throne" was were my mind first lept. Because after 10,000 years of having his soul sandpapered away piece by piece by the tides of the Warp, in no way is the Emperor still fully human or entirely sane as we know it
He will become exactly what he feared to be and will destroy humanity if he isn’t stopped.
@Ragnarra he needen't ascend to the dark king to be a terrible ruler. Even if it is his fate
"if the emperor could be revived, he would not be what sat down on that throne 10,000 years ago"
Perhaps one of the most chilling revelations from this conversation .
The imperium is retarded he can't die Vulcan didn't get that ability out of thin air he got it from the emperor if they just let him actaully die on the throne room he would revive he's a perpetual
The emperor who sat on the throne was a slave trader in shiny armour
@@gaebi
And the one who might emerge is the same thing except crazier
@@gaebi That'd be true were it not for the existence of the web way project
He was already a blight before going sit in it. So yeah, pretty chilling to think he can be even worst...
The emporer is powering the astronomicon. If he gets off that thrown billons will get thrown into random warp space
At least quadrillions.
The Astronomicon is the least of what its doing. Its also sealing the webway portal thats on Terra ...
If big E were to die, or leave the throne, the portal would open on terra and the multitudes of demons would spill out over the planet ...
@@michaelriddick7116 If I remember right, they have a contingency for that. Supposedly, there's a big ol' bomb or something attached to the the golden throne. If the emperors body dies, then terra will go with.
It sucks, and the sol system will become the center of a gigantic warp breach without big E there to stem the tide, but the point was to make sure that chaos could never claim humanities homeworld.
Besides, after eye of terror 2: Human texture pack edition, its not like it could ever be reclaimed anyway...
He needs magnus. Without magnus it’ll be hard but maybe still possible. Perhaps he can bring back magnus to his side one way or another.
The Emperor doesn't need to be on Throne to power the Astronomican. He can do that from anywhere.
The issue is he needs to be somewhat alive to power it. In his current state he cannot be fully reborn without dying. But the moment he does die the Astronomican goes with him.
"If your father came back," said the old man while sitting in a chair. "How do you know you'd be facing the same man you once knew? Ten thousand years, 3650000 days of consciousness, with no pause, no one to talk to, with his mind assaulted by daemons and prayers of the faithful alike, it is not a small feat that he is still clinging to life... No, if anything, this is the most terrifying fate any human could ever endure."
The old man sipped on his tea, looking into the Primarch's eyes.
"I remember the old days, still. I remember the iterators spreading his words through the legions and compliant worlds. That he was but a very powerful man, but a man nonetheless. Today, I would pray it is not the case and he lied to us, that he was actually a god in disguise, because if he is human, then there is no way he would ever come back as he was."
He paused again, looking into the empty cup.
"The tragedy of his sacrifice, Lord-Regent, is that to save him, we would have needed Magnus. But we would have needed Magnus 10000 years ago. If the Emperor is human, then at this point, his mind is so shattered that there is nothing left of him. He is no better than a servitor, a battery to power the Astronomican and keep the Webway portal closed."
"Watch your mouth, Capito," hissed Guilliman. "You are speaking of my father *and* to your master."
"I speak only as I see it, my Lord," shrugged Capito with another sip. "I've been around your kind for long enough to know that you'd hate false comfort more than harsh truths. I miss the Emperor. I miss his light and the sound of his voice. I miss hearing the clunk of the Sigillite's staff echoing through the hallways of the Imperial Palace. I miss the days I could discuss philosophies for hours with some random iterator just shy of caving his head in with any of Platon's treaties. There are so many things we lost in the war, but I miss the humans we grew with."
"We can still get back up. We have to believe in humans, mortals, and that they can become better."
"I leave the beliefs and faith to the Adepta Sororitas and the Ministorum. Unless you plan to revolutionize every single Imperial world, my Lord, what we have, we are stuck with."
In short im not saying he is a god but....if he was one and brought back to full health he would more than likely be just as much of a threat as the chaos gods are.
He IS a chaos god in everything other than name. Call him "order god" if you want, but his nature and ways remain the same.
Guys its not AI, I promise.
It's not
That wake up DP at the end had me dying 😂
First, we need to define what a "god" is. That definition will shape the entirety of the conversation going forward.
Agree. What most so call gods in the Warhammer 40k universes,fall under as deities then true gods.
Because their powers depends on the amount of followers they have.
Deities in Warhammer outervetsal entities who are the sentient manifestations of natural forces and mortals emotions, if they have lots of followers and the concept they embody is the most dominant force in the universe then they would be at their most powerful but if they have no followers or the concept they embody is less rampant across reality then they would become like ghosts , they won’t die but they will be unable to influence the universe and they become weak
And then the Inquisitors execute Cawl for heresy. XD
The Inquisition can't touch Cawl. Idk if you read Genefather but if they went after Cawl it would cause a huge schism in the Mechanicus nearly as bad during the Horus Heresy.
@@The_Night_Haunter-VIII Also Cawl would probably respawn
@@eyeballpapercut4400It's almost certain he have back up clones like Trazyn
Cover the Carcharodons next!
So we DID finally turn off Gilliman's life support
As a non American, i wonder what the founding fathers would have to say if we brought them back to life now
“Why would you let women vote?”
@@foshershmul1648A valid question
@@foshershmul1648because with More votes you can increase your posibilty of victory or defeat,it Is a bet that can work
"Black people can WHAT!?"
It would be funny to see the second amendment debates as the founding fathers pick sides.
My respect for Cawl just went up.
At the end of the day we must ask the most important question: How do you define a god?
@@Lobossumi
Beings who are omnipotent. Something that the so called gods in Warhammer 40k are not.
In fact most of them in 40k if not all of them. Fall under the classification of a Deities. The strange grows and wanes, depending on how many followers they have.
@@judeduval5724 Most Gods in history are not omnipotent, omniscient or omnipresent. As far as I'm aware, there's only one triad branching religion that is omnipotent and Big E stamped them out of existence so maybe not the best one to bring up.
@@DaSoda70 Another key that separates Dieities and Gods is worship. For God, it is more of an Option than a requirement. While for Deities it more of a requirement.
Goodly explained
Godly explained
I somehow have my Doubts Roboute Guillaume will save the Empire of Mankind... GW will think of something dark to keep it grim...
50/50 chance it will be more derp than dark.
50/50 chance it will be more derp than dark
Big E already sit on toilet chair for 10k years. No need to imagine the aftereffects.
Damn did the inferior read the Eisenhorn books
So basically Crawl inferior think machine god also a blight.
It’s not a huge stretch considering the heretical stuff he’s already done
Btw his name is pronounced ''Ruh Boo Tay''
Niiiice
I wouldn't necessarily count on wanting the emperor back so soon; hes been stuck on the throne for god knows how long in such horrific pain feeding on souls like a dying fire feeds on ashes.
If Big E got up off the throne; Guilliman better hope hes not near him: because i imagine Big E will get up with a bone to pick with a lot of people and his sons will be on the list
So Cawl wants to undermine the Emperor?
The brightest light casts the darkest shadows. The Emperor is human at heart, and he is probably very traumatized after all he's been through and carries much pain. My hope is that he can break through his dark side and find healing, and bring the best attributes of humanity into the warp, become the Dark and Light God of Humanity.
Idk, he was a bit of a dick before Horus put him on life support. Plus a lot of that pain and trauma was caused by his own stupidity.
Is this what was actually written? It makes zero sense dont they use technology from an old god and worship it at the same time?
This is why I dont worship your Dying God Corpse Emperor. This is why I worship Khorne. Because unlike your Emperor Khorne is a real God. !!!!