Why I'm not Buying the Cantina Haslab
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Here are my thoughts on the official reveal of the Star Wars Vintage Collection Cantina HASLAB crowdfund project by Hasbro. I actually really like the details of this set and its design, but I just can't see it fitting well into my collection. Because I collect mostly vintage Kenner figures and 6" Black Series figures, the carded TVC figures aren't really drawing me in. The biggest factor is the size. I love dioramas and creating scenes from the film, but I just don't have room for something this large, even with the modular options.
Let me know in the comments what you think. Are you buying the Cantina Haslab? Why or why not?
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Hasbro released an update with the set broken apart on a 12" deep shelf. And Matthew talks about how he lit it during the pics. Go watch it here: th-cam.com/video/vBf1p1pqERw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=sEgbyQdNPtDel1ig&t=460
3.75 is the master scale!!!!
always two there are, the master and the apprentice.
Absolutely right love it👍🏻
Said NO ONE'S GIRLFRIEND EVER 😂
Yes sir!
I love how it looks, and I love the 1:18 scale.. what I don't like is the price. In my opinion it should have been $300 for the DELUXE.
Yes, price is too high, but that is expected with these.
“I don’t have the figures for it. I don’t have the spot for it.”
“But if this was Black Series, I’d get it.”
How does this make sense?
Very good question. His logic seems backwards. Since everything in the black series is bigger.
It doesn't make sense at all in terms of space or logic. You are correct. But my emotional ties to my black series collection want a super detailed 1:12 scale cantina bar like the TVC one. And I would find a way to get that integrated into my black series display, which is huge and has some available real estate. Honestly, though, I'm just going to build one from scratch and use 3d printed items for the bar. I don't think Hasbro will do any extensive dios for Black Series. Thanks for watching and commenting!
My man's def has a right to his opinion, but its kinda dumb. Yes, BlackSeries DOES need more world-building stuff, but that is why we collect TVC.
Exactly.. they act like the black series is gona produce an Ephant Mon like we didn’t get one back in 2002 for under $6 for that BRICK of a figure…
Idk man I wish they gave an option to buy one of the booths for like 40 or so dollars . Honestly they should have gave an option to buy each part of the cantina separately
Yes, I've heard this idea a few times now. Seems lots of folks would like some small cantina set pieces, just not the huge set.
If this funds, you’ll probably be able to get parts and pieces on the secondary later on I’m sure. Having the option to get just a small alcove for the Han/Greedo scene would be nice for those that can’t afford the whole set
I’d be interested in a TVC Hoth Rebel Base… or even Yavin 4.
Those would be awesome as modern set pieces. Echo base especially.
Someone in another comment forum called it FIGURE HOSTAGE LAB.
Yeah, about right. If they offered the sisters and bartender available separately, the set wouldn't fund, or just barely.
I'm skeptical given the time window that it could make it past the Greedo goal.
As a cantina fan, I can't even consider it. No space to display it, and it's still just a bar. I mean, they've made versions of it before...no matter how lacking they were.
I'm still waiting for Mattel's Snake Lair go-fund-me whenever that is.
Yes the sisters and Wuher are the big draw here, even though the cantina playset is cool, I don’t think it justifies the price. Thanks for watching!
I keep going back and forth on this. I really want it. But have no space for it. What's the point in getting something like this only to keep it sealed up and stored for the resale value?
Right. I’m sure the box will look cool. But that’s not a good enough reason to buy. I want to open it up and display it. Just don’t have the space. Thanks for watching!
With the “Return to Tatooine” theme I bet will release many of the other cantina figures.
Yes, I think you're right. That'll be great for the TVC collectors. It's just too much of a hurdle to jump into TVC that much for me right now... at least for loose displays. I do have a bunch of carded TVC and some of the vehicles, including the Razorcrest, N1, and Slave 1. All very awesome.
And Garindan, the hooded snitch.
I appreciate your level headed analysis. I backed 3. One to open, one to keep carded figures (and hopefully sell the cantina pieces), and one to sell a few years down the road. Haven't taken that approach before, fingers crossed it generally works out!
If you can afford the expense, and you want the sisters both carded in loose, then I think it makes perfect sense to do what you did. Hope it works out for you too. Thanks for watching!
I’m not buying it, either. After the currency exchange and shipping i’m looking at $950.00. NO THANKS.
Yeah, understandable. I do think some of these playsets will be available on the secondary market eventually.
Holy shit-shit-shit-shit
I'm on the fence. Last Haslab I got was GIJoe Skystriker. The figures were not great condition. Several were damaged and dented. So I'm not looking forward to opening and finding creased cards, bubble dents, scratches. Only want the figs anyway. Why not just offer the figs for a separate price ?
I'm buying it because I always wanted to put my Cantina aliens in a Cantina from New Hope, and the Twin sister is my 1# reason to
That makes sense for sure. I'm sure it will be awesome when you get it set up!
@RedWagonDioramas yes imagine 10 years from now. This will be a special collector item just like Lego Millennium Falcon. I wish I had bought the millennium falcon when it 1st came out.. it's a master piece wherever you put it in your home ... now we have 3 great HasLab Jabba Sail Barge, now the Cantina Bar and the Boba Fett Throne Room as the center peace
As a long time 3.75 collector, I’m definitely purchasing this. I don’t care if there is no ceiling or floor. A ceiling would block the view, the floor of the shelf is the floor. I really appreciate the modularity of the set and of course… the Tonika sisters! I have a perfect spot on my shelf. I’d buy two if I could afford it.
That is great man, very happy for you and all the other backers who will be able to add it to your collections! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Both options are $100 too much. They will make millions on such a cheap product. The fomo card backs are what will sell this.
Can't disagree with that. The carded TVC collectors will certainly drive these sales.
Other people will buy this, but I sure won't be overspending $500-$600 total cost for a bunch of plastic I have no use for. Hasbro has been ultra cheap in not including lights, sounds, or action features on their Haslab offerings like the vintage Kenner toys, so it's not worth it. I'm only interested in the figures namely the Tonnika sisters, Nabrun Leids, and the Wolfman.
I think a lot of collectors will approach it that way too - buy it mainly for the excellent figures.
Its way overpriced... but its for collectors, so I get why they are charging so much. I wish they would make playsets for kids again.. with the fun play gimmics, trap doors, moving platforms, etc...those were so fun.
Another playset comment, I love it! I totally agree, playsets with all those features were so much fun. Could they make adult collector focused playsets? Someone get on this!
100%@@RedWagonDioramas
Make a custom coffee table. But it should really have A LOT of LEDs integrated
I’m sure we will see some amazing custom setups like that after it comes out.
I feel like your gona kiick yourself for not buying it if its affordable too you just for the resale of the carded figures you could do and keep the playset.
Yes, maybe. But I'm ok if I never get this playset too. I'm spending my money on other things in my collection right now that I enjoy more than this. Thanks for watching!
Hours to go and I still aint biting. Saw it in the cinema in 77; OT to the core. Unless it's a ship or vehicle tho, no interest.
@@TonyStark-uu9us same here. It’s cool but I’m not backing it.
No place for the band!
Top of the bar looks unfinished
Yes! I totally forgot to mention the lack of a stage area for the band. Really surprised hasbro did not include that.
wrong, the full set has the exact spot for it just like in the movie.
@sallybrown4947 I'm just curious, but are you a hasbro employee or influencer? Because wow, you sound like if it doesn't get produced, the world is going to end. Maybe take a break and relax for a bit?
@@sallybrown4947Just rewatched the cantina scene and you cant actually tell where the band is in relation to the bar, also you never see any roof or floor in connection to the band members. With 5 band members you could assume there is some type of stage.
If I collected Star Wars, I would get Cantina. And I'm not fan of HasLab at all but I do see the value in this set and the appeal. My husband and I 3D print a lot. I have three shelves of 3D printed play sets for my Transformers that I love. To print and paint set like this could be in that price range.
Thanks for sharing that experience. I agree - to resin print and then hand paint everything would be expensive if you had it commissioned. Like I said in the video, I think it should be about $50-$75 less, but that's how Hasbro is. Thanks for watching!
@@RedWagonDioramas I have never funded any HasLab product cause the 99.9% of them are overpriced big time. I keep waiting for more stuff to be designed and released for folks to 3D print themselves like Thundercats Lair, Barbie dream house, etc.
I was never going to get this, but I don't really do dioramas for 3.75". Ships and 6" is what my SW collection is focused on.
I'm similar in my collection. For 3.75" I have my vintage kenner. And then I have a huge 6" black series display with dios. I would have to start a whole new shelf if I got this cantina. Seems weird to change my collection just to accommodate a new haslab. Thanks for watching!
We did see the green suit sister in the 90’s micro machines line
Yes, I was not aware of that before. Another commenter told me about that too.
It'll be cheaper to buy the set, and sell the figures (than the other way around). I sold my Hiss tank figures for almost as much as the total cost of the Haslab. I'm not buying it because I don't have the space to display it, or even store a sealed box. If anyone is thinking it will be an investment, just invest in the S&P 500.
I thought about that too - buy it and sell the figures... but then I'm out $400+ for over a year up front. I'll keep my cash for now, and see how I feel about it when it comes out.
It is an investment if you sell it on day one of receiving it. I purchased 4 Razor Crests and sold 3 on day one all for about 400% ROI. Same with the Marvel Sentinel, I sold that in 15 minutes after posting for a huge profit as well.
It's crazy how Transformers outsells everything else Haslab and is just as expensive relatively speaking. I wonder if this beats the Transformers record of 27000 plus?...probably not. Looks cool though.
No way they sell that many of the cantina. Transformers seems to have a pretty healthy fanbase for the haslabs. Thanks for watching!
I think part of it is that Transformers collectors have been used to paying big money for a long time.
I can care less about the sisters. They don’t look cool nor pretty. I prefer the other aliens in the cantina.
Wish 75% of the cups and other small loose pieces would have been fixed placement. That way, less small items get lost in the carpets of people’s homes.
- The Disneyland Neighbor
I like the Tonnikas, simply because they haven't been made before. But, yes, the other aliens are so much cooler. Good point on the cups. Those cups are going to always fall over when people are placing figures. Thanks for watching!
I'd love to get it, but financially not in the right place at the moment - so will pass - hopefully get the figures loose in the future - when everyone gets bored of it :D
PS if you are a Kenner collector you can buy for your vintage Kenner (and customs) and sell on the carded figures to make some money back! (wrote this before you mentioned it also!)
I know, I'm going to hold out and see if I still want to try to pick up some of the set pieces after it comes out.
I don't collect modern SW, so this set doesn't even register for me. The figures look nice, but it's not worth the $$$.
Lots of folks like that nowa days. Thanks for watching!
"Priced too high" I guess you think making molds for what would amount to a low production run for collectors is cheap? I hate to break it to you, it's not. Spectre has a good video on costs of a figure on his channel since he worked with Mattel and can easily give out what to expect for costs.
Thanks for the comment. I haven’t watched his video on that yet.
I gotta say I was disappointed for the cantina , but the more I looked at it, and it is a classic for Star Wars . Plus Star Wars is becoming woke with LGBTQ and political messaging , so for me the classics are going to be in high demand plus haslab limited release this is going to be gold, but I am a big tvc collector.
Yeah then this is perfect for you. Are you getting 1 or more? Thanks for watching.
Eternia was cheeper then this !!!
This is no fun !!!! This no floor no lights or sound ...seriously the cardboard cantina is better then this .....from the late 90s .... this is a f u to the fans ....agine ....
Yes I had forgotten about the 90s cardboard cantina set. That still has a lot of charm. Thanks for watching!
I might have bought this five years ago, now not so much. I really don't care about the figures. I just would have liked to get just playset, but I don't want to spend hundreds for it.
Same here. I’m hoping to pick one up later. Just the playset. Thanks for watching.
I like this idea for the cantina. Unfortunately, I can't swing $400-500 for this and 3 carded figures.
Yep it’s a lot of $ for what you get. Thanks for watching!
What Star Wars play set ever has had a lighting kit?
None. But this playset was designed and produced with the intent to be able to light it, and they show it lighted in their promo shots. I'm sure some third party will figure out a lighting kit and sell it.
None, but then again they weren't sold for $400.
I'm just waiting on another black series haslab😂 cool set but seems unfinished, I've seen better 3d printed dioramas and hand crafted dioramas which looks alot nicer imo, I dont like how hollow it looks, looks.. cheap for lack of a Better word. But I am looking forward to seeing peoples reviews and photos and such if it funds !
The hollow look is a bit weird I agre. Would be nice if there were closure panels for some of the exposed hollow spots. Could use some more paint apps too for weathering.
After the Rancor and Reva lightsaber debacle. I don’t see them going back to the BS for a Haslab..
@@mikesoylo1496 yeah probably not 😅
@@RedWagonDioramas It looks like it's made for kids but priced for adults, a bit of weathering and some filler plastic panels would have completed it nicely!
I agree with everything you said. My brother is going to get one and I have a week to make a decision. The upside is, I already have all the aliens and being an original Star Wars fan and Tattoine lover, it would be unthinkable not to buy it. The downside is it will end up costing me a thousand dollars because of where I live and I really don't have the room.
But the thought of the Tonika sisters alone. And being a lighting geek I've already got it lit. If I go for it I will do the deluxe. Although the money side of it will hurt a bit, the hardest part is where I would put it. But if I don't do it now and want it in a year's time it will cost me double, maybe triple. And that's something I would never do...I paid double once for a legacy Falcon. Never again will I do that...
That cantina is actually very cool and I can definitely see it getting funded just because of the sisters. Definitely way better than than tone-deaf Rancor with bones and cardboard.
Now I'm not going to get it as I have no room for it and for that price they really should have included a lighting kit. That said, I did get the Razor Crest (which also should have had lights imo).
But yeah, good to see that HasLab is actually releasing interesting stuff again as the Rancor and that dumb lightsaber from that chick in Obi-Wan were massive duds imo.
Good thoughts! I have the razorcrest too. Amazing ship! Main reason I did not get the ghost or this cantina was space and price. I do like the haslab projects generally, but not everything works for everyone. I think the rancor could have succeeded if they hadn’t bungled the campaign so badly and if they had done better addressing the prior problems in the black series line. The Reva light saber was a non starter. Such a weird choice that had to be pushed by Disney. Thanks for watching!
@@RedWagonDioramas Yeah, the Rancor (I think) fell flat because of the extremely weak tier rewards (some bones and a piece of cardboard? WTAF?!). Now I read that they did include the Keeper art some point but by then it was probably too late already as interest had dropped too much. Also, I wasn't overly impressed by the paintjob either tbh.
Yeah, that lightsaber was just a massive fail as that Reva was just a nobody and it should have simply been sold at Disney parks directly or something in my opinion. That thing had no place as a Haslab product. Almost felt as if Disney was pushing it for some 'diversity' nonsense or whatever that's now running rampant everywhere.
So yeah, the Cantina and the Ghost show that Haslab is finally back in tune with the fans. Let's hope it stays that way. I wouldn't mind seeing more large playsets of iconic locations instead of ships as the playsets from Hasbro felt rather lacking and you always needed to buy 2 packs as they only give you half a set for some reason. I had to buy that cantina set from the Mandalorian twice just to have enough parts but they should have included benches as well imo so Mando could sit. Then again, we're also still missing a 3.75 figure of Greef Carga in his bountyhunting garb afaik (only ever saw him as a figure in his magistrate robes).
I really love my Razor Crest and the details are awesome. I do miss that (at that price) they did not include some lights and I am very hesitant to drill holes myself for wires and lights LOL.
Stopped buying ANYTHING Hasbro or Disney over a year ago. Hell with these child groomers.
Not me. Still buying what I like.
You're saying that there's no place for you to put it and if it was a Black Series you'll be all over it will that means it would be bigger and you'll still have no place to put it doesn't make no sense to me what you're saying
Hi, I've had this question several times. You are correct, it would be bigger, but due to my emotional investment in Black Series, I'd rather have a modular cantina type playset for 6" scale than 3.75". I have more cantina figures in Black Series than I do in TVC. And I already have a huge shelving display for my black series, which has some available shelf real estate where I could make it fit in.
I'd have to start a whole new shelving display for TVC if I bought this cantina, which I don't have room for. I originally thought I would incorporate this cantina into my Kenner display that you see behind me in the video, but it would take up too much space. I just don't need *that* much cantina in 3.75" scale. It doesn't fit well into my current collection, which is primarily Black Series and vintage Kenner. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I think that most of the stuff can be 3D printed and even the tables and chairs, however, it will be very tedious. Resin printing is different from regular FDM printing when it comes down to different steps in making it.
Yes, for the bar appliances and piping, etc, you would def want resin printing.
@@RedWagonDioramas True, however, you have to also consider the fact that you hope that the supports don’t screw up the mold, after taking it off with a metal scraper, then it takes a while after running it through an isopropyl alcohol solution , and then use ultraviolet light to make it cure, then painting it if it needs to be painted if it is resin printed. Most FDM printers can use multiple colors and filaments that would work well and save time painting.
Very good video, Dave. I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on this!
Thanks Mike, I'll be watching yours shortly.
I signed up for it,.... while I was at,.... of all places at the filming location of the cantina in Djerba, Tunisia. Was there to visit all the SW filming sites when they open it up for preorder
@@Dented_Battle_Armor wow, that is awesome! Hope you made some nice memories and took lots of photos! Was it worth the trip?
@RedWagonDioramas yes it was pretty awesome. We managed to visit all the filming sites like the Lars Homestead and also stayed at Sidi Driss. The hotel that was used as the shooting location of Lars Homestead interior scenes. And also visited Mos Espa, Tosche Station, SW canyon, etc. And just coincidence Hasbro did the crowd funding for the Cantina when I was in Djerba. Where the filming site of the Cantina was situated lol.
@@Dented_Battle_Armor that sounds incredible! I’m jealous :)
@RedWagonDioramas you can make it too! Tunisia is nearer to you guys and it's just over the pond.
Figures should not be behind haslab paywalls. Only reason tonnika sisters are in this, are because they know people wouldn't pay 400 for a roofless, floorless, play set.
Yes, I think that is pretty obvious too. I think Hasbro is doing it right though by making the tiers all figures. figures are what the TVC collectors want the most.
So you're not buying the vintage collection haslab cantina because its too big and you don't have room to display it, but if it was 6 inch black series scale you would buy it? That's logical isn't it? 🤣🤦♂️
Great point. Others have commented the same. It isn't logical, it's more of an emotional impulse to want the black series cantina because I'm more psychologically and emotionally invested in my black series collection, and I would find a way to make a cantina work in my existing black series display (which is massive and still has some shelf space available). Honestly though, I doubt hasbro will ever do a large black series diorama haslab. The 3d printing community is serving that need pretty well right now.
I really want this to exist and I wish I had someplace to display it...but I don't
Same reason I didn't back the Ghost. I wanted to, but didn't have the space... Also $ lol.
You can take just 1 or 2 of the alcoves and create a little scene, then just the bar on another shelf for another scene, that's the beauty of the modularity.
Wayyy overpriced For that price it should be scaled to black series not vintage
Can’t disagree with you there. Thanks for watching!
The roof missing is kind of more important buddy they should make a roof for it, if you make a stop motion animation and you want a scene from the exterior could be really cool, they are asking 400 to 500 with taxes included that’s a mistake
So, you mean a roof for exterior shots of the building? That would be nice, but that would bump the price a lot I bet. Thanks for watching!
It's awesome but where do I put it. That's why I haven't bought the 1/64 scale Ecto 1 or back to the future DeLorean. My house space is a premium.
Yep, same here. Thanks for watching!
Hey David, I’m pretty much in the same boat as you on this HasLab. I’d rather put the money towards a nice 3D printer and make pieces at 6” scale.
Yeah, good point. The $400+ could certainly go toward other things that work with my existing collection. Buying the cantina would basically force me to start a TVC collection, which I just can do right now. I do have several of the TVC vehicles though, but those can be displayed differently and more easily.
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It’s actually a 20 year old dream of mine to have a proper Tatooine-based scaled diorama of the Cantina.
I’m getting a Deluxe for myself and a Base set to get to figures to open, and I’ll sell the diorama in parts to those who just want pieces of it without backing a full item.
It's just another "Haslab cash grap" again. Why tiers? Ryan from Marvel team already already spilled the beans that the tiers are already included in the base price, so just holding out the 3 extra figures for more $. The also could have included a base floor and an attachable ceiling. If they had included all of that, then I would have backed it. But I truly hope it fails.
The high price does seem to be the common obstacle to haslab campaigns. If they had included more figures in the base offering, or more components like you mentioned, it would have a better value for the buyer. Thanks for watching!
400 for a playset?????
Yep, pretty crazy. This is what star wars haslabs have been trending at though. Hasbro loves that $400-$500 price point for these crowdfunds.
Why pay that when the figures are unavailable?
That's how these haslabs go... hard to justify the price on this if not all tiers unlock.
You can make this yourself way cheaper
Yes and no. You could make a hand made version of the cantina cheaper by crafting and 3d printing, but I don't think it would be much cheaper given the time involved. Depends how you value your time. To commission a set with this much detail and accuracy would probably cost more than this haslab.
id take less cups for some kind of matt to use as the floor.
I personally think the floor could be done later pretty easily. But running out of cups for all the tables would suck if you actually fill it with 50+ figures. Thanks for watching!
400$ for 3 figures what a fucking joke
Hasbro + Disney = overpriced.
I won't be buying this as I think it's priced too high, and I just do have the room to display. This is for the rich guy who has a spare bedroom dedicated to Star Wars. If I bought this, then it would stay in it's box, and I'd maybe pull it out and set it up whenever I rewatch the Original Trilogy.
I was thinking the same. It probably will have a nice box. And it would probably have to stay in the box most of its existance.
I bought the Lego Cantina, no sisters 😢
Haha well that is an excellent purchase! I’ve been tempted by that set. Thanks for watching!
Hasbro is desperate going in circles
How so? You mean in regard to TVC specifically or haslab?
There's no such thing as a "great choice for a Haslab." Haslab shouldn't exist, full stop. If a multi-billion-dollar monopoly can't produce a toy without resorting to a glorified corporate Kickstarter, then it shouldn't be produced. If Hasbro wasn't controlled by gormless idiots they'd spend less on luxury toys for trust fund babies and more on basic quality control for every single line they produce...something that's been sorely lacking for years.
I hear you, but we are kind of past that part of the discussion for those of us considering it. Haslab exist. Choose to buy or not. Thanks for watching!
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Thanks man! #backthecantina
Just spent 15 minutes typing out my thoughts and feelings and the comment didn't register...😢
Its safer to use notepad to compose and then copy it into the webpage
Oh geez David, sorry about that. I assume you're not buying this though?
@@RedWagonDioramas If I collected tvc I'd be peeing in my pants over this in excitement!! I did grab Jabbas Palace for my original kenner figures but that has been lying in bits on the floor for weeks now with nowhere to put it... My original comment wondered about payment plans? and just extending shelves out wards to accommodate the larger size of the set.
@@RedWagonDioramas I also came from a different angle for the deluxe version... I thought £100 for the second half(ish) of the set was a bargain! However, if that side is 100, then why is the bar around 300!!?? Like everything else, I think its overpriced, but I do like it.
@@RedWagonDioramas I also wondered if tvc was 500, what price for the BS?...750?... More? I would really y struggle with that.
“ I don’t have room for it”
“if it were black series I would buy it”
can you make sense of these two statements?
thanks
Hi, thanks for the question. Basically, I have a huge black series shelf display where I intend to do a cantina layout on the 15" deep shelf. I'm much more emotionally invested in continuing my black series collection. So, I would be very interested in what Hasbro might offer for that and I would make room in my black series display for it. But I don't have room for a whole new table or shelf to start collecting TVC. I really planned to buy this for my vintage kenner figures, but I think it's just bigger than I need. For example, I bought the Jabba throne room for my kenner figures, which I absoultely love. But it has a smaller footprint and fits on the shelf. This cantina is still just too big for a shelf display. Let me know if you have any more questions. Thanks for watching.
This set looks amazing. I also love the modular design. But as tempting as it is I’m establishing my 6 inch scale collection and going down the TVC road would be too much at this time. Hasbro really need to listen to the community and make some long overdue cantina aliens in 6inch 😂. Momaw Nadon is a good start 😀
I’m currently building my own 6inch cantina in the ikea shelves using only two cubes. It’s amazing what can be done even in limited space.
Overall I’m really happy for the TVC collectors and can’t wait to see it on their shelves. Great stuff. MTFBWY Red! 😊
Thanks Luminous. I feel the same. if I wanted to switch from black series to TVC, this would be the time. I just can't have large collections devoted to both scales though, because I also have my kenner figures that take priority. Seeing this tvd model has given me ideas for how I can build my black series one for my shelf though. I look forward to seeing what you come up with for your cubes!
Hi Red I’ve added a WIP video of my cantina on my channel. 😀 Cheers mate 👍
@@Luminous_Beings_are_we just watched it, it’s going to look great. All those custom heads too. Now you’re giving me inspiration!
@@RedWagonDioramas Thanks! Being such an iconic scene It’s such a fun project to work on. I absolutely can’t wait to see what you do If and when you start yours. 👍👍👍👍
Good thoughts on the set. Looks great, though I'd be interested in something smaller like the Micro Galaxy Squadron scale 1" figures for the Cantina. For those with the room though, this looks like a great display set.
Interesting idea. I wonder how many cantina characters were made during the Micro machines run and action fleet? Apparently one of the sisters was made. Thanks for watching!
I've never understood the whole whining about the price of Haslabs...if you want it, buy it and if you don't...than don't. What is the deal with the fighting and negative back and forth !?
I think It’s the passion we have for collecting that stirs up the emotions. It’s just human nature. With Hasbro, they continue to say that they are listening and want to hear from the collectors so they can make out collecting experience more meaningful. So I think it is important to express your opinions on the products. I believe we should keep it civil though when sharing. That is much more persuasive than rage posting.
I'm sorry but the "don't like it, don't but it," argument has never made sense.
We are collectors. We WANT to buy it and want to collect it, but we want it to be worth it. We aren't just going to throw money at every thing because we can't afford everything. So we want the things we buy to be up to standard so that we get our money's worth. That's why we have conversations and that's what us critics are constantly fighting for.
Do you really think there is a single Star Wars fan out that that doesn't like the cantina scene? We all want this scene, but we want it to be good enough for the money they're asking us to front.
So instead of saying "don't like it, don't buy it" to collectors (key word collector, as in, we collect many things), you should be saying "don't want criticism, make the product worth it" to the corporations
"This thing is too big for me to display!" "Also, if it was bigger, I'd buy it immediately!"
Because of my passion for my black series collection. And lack thereof for TVC. I planned to get it for my Kenner figs, but I realized my vintage cantina is just fine. Too big and too much $ for something that doesn’t quite work for my collection. Thanks for watching!
i dont' care about it's value, i just want it to be fun and to make sense as a playset, it falls apart when you try to pick it up, which i dont' like, but i want the tonnikas, is that what gatekeeping is?
I think the proper collecting term would be "hostage set". Holding the sisters hostage behind a $400 purchase requirement.
This should had been a regular release. Not a haslab
Reasonable for sure. Just not sure if it would have sold enough without the crowdfund model. It would go on clearance like the Jabba throne set I think. Thanks for watching!
I doubt that was even possible. There's not really a retail SKU this fits into these days.
It looks lame,why no Tantive 4?
What else would you want for the Tantive 4? The actual ship?
Sadly I never owned a Kenner original Cantina! I've started customizing the Hasbro Mandalorian Nevarro Cantina with Stan Solo and Next 17 custom figures as well as well as a mix of Super 7 Universal Classic Monster, Vintage Kenner and Hasbro Star Wars TVC action figures. I considered backing the Haslab as well as not backing it. I love the Vintage Collection line and hope it can continue, so I will likely back it at the start of July. I'm not too thrilled I have to wait until Fall 2025 for the Haslab Cantina to ship, but the whole Return To Tattooine 2025 campaign has me curious and hopeful Hasbro will continue the line! It's understandable not wanting to back it! It's a lot of money to ask for upfront. Hasbro probably could sell the diorama at retail if they really wanted to, but it seems to get harder and harder to find Star Wars toys in actual brick and mortar stores! :(
Good thoughts Tim. Your point about the "Return to Tatooine" is important I think. They should show all their pipelines related to the cantina before this campaign ends. That would probably push people to buy the cantina if there are indeed a bunch more aliens coming. Thanks for watching!
A no for me..prolly $1200AU..I've got a very nice custom bar, booth and band riser that fits on a 14" by 14" shelf..I also have some great custom Tonnika Sisters figures plus a few other custom cantina patrons..it cost me quite a bit to get what I have..I can't repeat that...cheers🍺🍺🍻 SI FI
And that’s the way to do it! Customs and homemade dioramas. Nicely done! Thanks for watching.
Stan Solo is making the sisters! They're on pre order right now!
Order me a set! He blocked me and won’t sell to me.
I like it and all: But I prefer big vehicles over players, especially if that vehicle is basically a playset within itself (Legacy/Smuggler’s Run MF, Legacy AT-AT, Haslab Razor Crest and The Ghost, to name a few).
It also doesn’t help that I just bought my wife a dress from Michael Kors that she’s been begging for as a surprise gift for her this week; and that basically cost as much as the backing would for this, too 😂😅
I like the vehicles too. My personal hope for a haslab would be a bigger TVC sand crawler. Thanks for watching!
It all looks amazing. :D
This should have been a regular release for everyone to be able to afford.
Maybe sets of two? Like of the entrance & both, bar & both, both & both. The figures could have been included in the sets, one in each and Arliel a regular release. Wuher’s top is actually clean in the movie, no wash needed, he takes his job seriously. ;)
I have been collecting since 2007 and have most of HASBRO S.W. except the HasLabs. Ships make sense for a HasLabs, but why the Cantina after releasing Jabba’s Palace? The Marauder and the rest of the BadBatch would have been great.
Your choice is frustrating and deflating to long time collectors who need to juggle a bit.
Good that there are collectors out there that have been offering nice play sets - “they did it first.” ;)
Did the HasLab team even rehearse the presentation before?? :)))
I think this could have been broken up and sold in sections too. But then maybe they wouldn't have taken the risk on producing all the parts. I agree that TVC vehicles seem to make the most sense. I love my Razorcrest, and also have the N-1 and Slave1. My personal hope is for a Sandcrawler. Not full scale, but maybe 3-4 times bigger than what we have now. Thanks for watching. Hope it funds for you guys.
Great video as always. I’m surprised you’re not going for it. If you do the deluxe set and sell the Tanaka Sisters for say $50 each and then sell the smaller half from the deluxe set for $200. Then you get the standard playset for $200. Not bad. Maybe I should try that. I have basically all of the cantina figures from previous purchases years ago packed away.
I surprised myself actually - I honestly planned to get it. Until I started thinking it through more. You should go for it. I bet the Sisters sell for $100 ea when it releases. I'm going to wait and see. I just don't have the figures or the space for it right now. You have to think about where you would set it up though.
@@RedWagonDioramas I believe people will make money parting the deluxe set out. But it's one of those things where I just don't want to mess with it even though you'd probably double your money. But I bet toy dealers who do this full time will be buying a few sets.
Dave!! I haven't got room for anything I buy now, so I just "make it" as and when... I spent 14 hours yesterday shoehorning a 6 inch scale Star Destroyer Bridge into my sw room. That was 20+? inches deep, so I just made the baseboard shelf deeper to accommodate it.
I'm surprised you're not getting this for your kenners. 3d prints are good, but they are never the "quality" of Hasbro. Quality definitely in inverted commas there!! 😅 Like you, if this was BS, then I'd be all over it, but I would be guessing at £750? minimum, if 3.75 was 500....😢 I really would struggle/fail to find that kind of money, and they've never considered a payment plan as far as I am aware. Even without wanting it, I do think it's a fantastic thing. The Bar needs a lattice style roof slat to neaten it and they should have smoothed the exterior more, but this will look epic when it's inhabited... As for the floor? Plywood cut to size, pva glue and sand would do the trick. A painted board?... Not ideal, but not a deal breaker either. I seem to have the reverse opinion of everyone as well. £100 extra for almost half of the structure is a bargain!! I think the initial price of £400 is too steep, so if I was getting it, it would the "main event" not the base offer.
@@davidedge2828 Hey, I found your comment! Yes, that death star bridge is pretty amazing. Great comments and thoughts you shared. I honestly was going to buy this for my kenner figures. But I'm already pretty happy with my small vintage kenner cantina playset, and I don't really need a larger cantina display. Plus, I don't really have room for it either, nor a lot of cantina figures to populate it with. After all that consideration, I decided to pass. It has given me some good ideas for doing a black series shelf display though. Thinned out booth backdrops, smaller bar area, etc. I don't think Hasbro will get into the 6" diorama game.
@@RedWagonDioramas It didn't go missing!! I've just posted my comment in someone else's thread without noticing by mistake!! It was early this morning though!!
crazy expensive
yes, but all of these star wars haslab projects are. Thanks for watching!
Looks nice but I'm done with the 3 3/4 figures. I stopped buying them once they hit $10 per figure. I'm also done with Haslab. They charge WAY too much.
Understandable. Thanks for watching!
@@RedWagonDioramas I've been watching diorama videos. THAT seems like the way to go. Make your own play set from scratch.
I like this Haslab project and I agree the Tonnika sisters are going to get this thing backed. As a TVC collector, I'm still on the fence with this one. I like the figures but have no space to display the Cantina...hell, I'm still figuring out where my Ghost is going to go!
My only disagreement with you is that I think all the tiers will be funded. Although I don't think there will be much past tier three. Shame, because I was hoping for another tier where they offer a Blue Snaggletooth. I feel like that should've been in the offering. It would've been a nice nod to the vintage set sold at Sears.
Good comments Matt. For you TVC collectors I do hope it gets all the tiers. Blue snag would have been an awesome one for the final tier! Every haslab takes another big bite of space out of the toy room. That’s why I didn’t back the ghost either.
I just wanna know what TBC stands for. 🤷♂️
"TVC" - The Vintage Collection - Hasbro's current super articulated 3.75" Star Wars figure line.
I think if you intend to pick up the set on the aftermarket without the figures…in multiple purchases or one…the set will never be cheaper than it is right now, and that includes figures you can sell…potentially for the cost of the entire HasLab if there wind up being only 9 or 10 thousand of them made.
You could be right about that.
You can buy a Mattel Big Giganotosaurus which uses for more plastic than this entire set for £50. Giving Hasbro 500 for this flimsy playset and a few figures is letting them get away with giving less for higher prices. Few years they will Haslab mini rig vehicles.
Haha quite right. Prices just go up and up.
And even from Star Wars the Endor AT-AT from Jazwares that I bought for $60 has 8 mini figures, a lot of paint applications, lights AND sounds. I definitely feel like I got my money's worth there.
Hasbro is nuts. This should've been sold at retail piecemeal and it would've still sold. And how come now all of a sudden the Tonnika sisters can be a thing? I feel that Hasbro finally secured the likeness rights and is passing on the cost of that deal to collectors via the HasLab. That or the licensing costs from Disney are just insane now., There's no way otherwise a bunch of plastic walls with no features would cost more than their Transformers HasLabs.
#bringbacklaksivrak
agreed!
I 100% agree with your assessment and will also be passing on it. I don’t care for the figures at all. If I can grab the whole dio without the figures or even just the entry on the 2nd hand market, I’ll grab it. However, if the cost is too high or I I just don’t find the pieces I want, I won’t be heartbroken. The throne room was a much better offering.
This is pretty much how I feel too. Thanks for watching!
You are ridiculous, you won't buy because you have no room but if it was black series you would buy suddenly there's room. Much larger, much more expensive... just ridiculous
I’ve addressed this question several times in the comments. Thanks for watching!
Why bother creating a video saying you're not buying the cantina when you obviously don't even collect TVC? Seems like click-bait or just a disingenuous way to sabotage the campaign.
Thanks for the comment. I was very excited for this and intended to buy it for my vintage kenner figures. I filmed this a few hours after the reveal livestream after I thought about it for a while. Not trying to sabotage it, just sharing my reasons why I didn't buy. I honestly do hope it funds for everyone who wants it. I hope Hasbro does a followup video next week addressing some of the questions and concerns in the community. I would love for them to show the different sections set up on typical book shelves, and for them to share the dimensions of the separate pieces. Also, there still seems to be confusion out there about whether Wuher and the Sisters will be re-released later. Anyway, thanks for the comment and for watching! - Wow, just after replying to this comment, I see Hasbro just released a followup video. Well done.
It's a fair assessment, but kinda moot bcuz he doesn't collect TVC.
I do get his point about ppl buying it for the figs as they will almost certainly be going at high price levels bcuz of the low print run.
Yes, it does look that way. What do you think Hasbro should do to help encourage sales? For example, I'd like to see them display it several ways on different depth shelves, with a bunch of cantina figures. Also, would be nice if they revealed more of their pipeline plan for other cantina characters. Thanks for watching!
You mentioned that you wouldn't have space to display this set, but you then say you would buy it in the 6-inch scale. Where would you find the space for a set twice the size?
Thanks for the video dude!
I’ve been getting this question a lot! Basically, I would rearrange my black series shelves to do a cantina scene. But you’re right, it couldn’t be the full size building like the TVC one. It would have to be condensed to fit on a shelf. Thanks for watching!
Not interested in it £300-£400 for it and having somewhere to put it. Only one Kenobi buying two sets deluxe to have the figures loose and carded
Makes sense. Really? I haven’t watched his video yet.
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Thanks I’ll take a look!
A Tobias Becket should be included, because what's a bar without Woody.
Ha ha! True.
I'm the older collector guy. I placed an order for 3 of them, but looking again at the details, it looks very flimsy. I need to rethink things. It doesn't appear to have much meat to it.
Well if you can afford 3, it'll probably pay off for you later if you sell 1 or 2. I assume you plan to open one and set it up for display with your figures right?
@@RedWagonDioramas Honestly, I don't open these things. I just put them away. I still have 4 unopened Barges.
@CVMGAM wow! Then buying 3 cantinas makes sense for you. I would like a barge someday… when I have room.
@@RedWagonDioramas There are those on forums claiming they are only buying it for the figures and plan to sell the cantina itself. I may go for one of those & keep mine sealed.
Always wondered how much $$ Hasbro makes in interest, while holding on to the millions of $$ from backers till the toy gets released.
for a $4M project like this, it's gotta be $200k-$300k they earn in interest. Great point!
Now it makes sense why you wouldn't have a lot of 3.75 figures (I think I commented numerous times, asking myself how hasbrofree some1 can be😂). While I think it's clever to not collect too many Figure lines, I think TVC and Retro Collection are still a better combo than BS RC. A lot of Hasbro Figures display wonderful with the Kenner figures. Black Series never intrigued me because I found them too big and never having a realistic platform for vehicles and playsets. I think Hasbro brought Black Series to life to attract the 12" Hot Figure Collectors. If It was me, I would just buy Black Series for the figure itself, while focussing on 3.75 for Dioramas and what not. A lot of Hasbro figures you can easily get under 10 bucks and it's fun getting them😉. Custom figures often are pretty mediocre while they at least cost 40 bucks. Some Custom Figures are a must acquisition, while some should just be skipped. Quality before quantity. You do nobody a favor creating a load of mediocre figures that Hasbro could easily do better while costing like 3 times more. Stan Solo never uses the same body for a figure, and they cost just as much. If factory produced figures don't reach the quality of Stan Solo, they should just abandon their project and join Stan Solo.
Yes. I didn’t collect any modern figs until 2016 when black series hooked me in. I have some Ep 1 figs, but not much else 3.75”. Then I rediscovered my Kenner love during the pandemic. As for Stan solo, I love the figs I got from him before he lost his mind in my comment section, cussed me out, blocked me everywhere and then banned me from buying his figs. So that’s why I like Next17 so much. Owner isn’t psycho. More of a back story for you there. So that’s why I’m vintage and black series. I just wasn’t collecting in the late 90s to late 2010s.
@@RedWagonDioramas Same here. I grew up with my Brothers' Kenner Figures and a few vehicles I received from a cousin (I wonder with his consent XD).
Since Star Wars was over when I was a kid, I never got to collecting Star Wars. But one thing was pretty evident early on, I was more into the Star Wars Figures than the movie itself. To me Star Wars the movie was a little bit too complex to understand. I was aware that the movie was phenomenal, but I wasn't attached to it emotionally. I think as a kid I was too overwhelmed to follow the plot. The only thing that drew my attention were the lightsaber fights and the lightsaber figures, which I never had og sabers for (Toothpick Cliq!).
There were few moments where I almost got into collecting Star Wars. The 90s with the POTF line and one Star Wars Convention. I got a few POTF figures but declined the line shortly after ,because the figures didn't have the same feeling of OG Kenner figures, but I was intrigued by the facesculpts and the design of Lightsabers the line introduced.
If it wasn't for the prices that were meant to be paid for Kenner figures 1997 at the only convention I ever attended, I would have started collecting many years ago. But I was shocked that I had to pay for every figure that wasn't even in a package 20 bucks at least. I remember the figure that was the cheapest being a loose Emperor with no cane. I didn't even recognize the figure being the Emperor. I thought it was some cleaning old lady from Jabbas palace. For me it was just crazy spending that money for loose figures.
I remember leaving the convention with 3 things. Rancor Keeper's hat, Leia Boussh, Lando Skiff Guard. I think you see the pattern👌.
What ultimately got me into collecting Star Wars was the Retro Collection. I always liked the aesthetics of OG Kenner Figures and I always wanted to have an OG lightsaber.
As for Stan Solo, I think he realized that he isn't someone who likes to interact publicly. I think he realized that he is a private person. That's why his work is great
@@JustMe-tm5dc thanks for sharing all that. I don’t think I’ve met anyone who was mostly drawn into collecting through the retro collection. I love the RC too for the vintage aesthetic too. Thanks for watching and commenting as always!
@@RedWagonDioramas I never lost my interest for Vintage Kenner Figures, but
how I remembered Kenner Toys ,was that they were pretty pricy. Therefore I might personally had given up ever collecting them. What finally awakened my interest like I was under a spell was the Retro Collection First Multipack exactly one year ago. It was like ~unfinished Business~ and a ticket to travel through time. I checked in within a second
I predict this is gonna squeak over the finish line. Collectors are getting fickle and this is a massive diorama. It's a very specific collector that has the space, money and interest.
I think you’re right. We’ll see. Thanks for watching.
So you're saying there's no room in your collection for vintage style figures but it was a Black Series it would be all over it well that means it's bigger how's that okay
See my reply to your other comment. Thanks for watching!
Im getting the deluxe but I won’t be setting it up enclosed, I’m thinking of using the other half with my Jabbas palace/ throne room.
That is a good idea. I heard Tim @bossksbounty discuss that yesterday on the OOTB stream. Thanks for watching!
From what I hear from TVC collectors eventually the carded sister’s alone will fetch atleast 1k 🤷♂️
Yeah I guess they could, especially if it’s a small run.
Overpriced 3.75scale playsets while selling six inch figures? No deal
That's why the TVC collectors are so upset. Not enough figures being made in the line to support these big projects.
This would have been a 100% purchase 10 years ago, but my love of Star Wars has all but vanished.
Sorry to hear that... I still love it. Thanks for watching!