Secretariat did not race past the age of three. Handicap races don't start in the USA untiil the horses are four years old. 126 is the standard weight for three year olds. Phar Lap carried heavier and heavier weights the more he won. It's a damn shame that the closest Phar Lap got to racing in the USA was at Agua Caliente in Mexico. The Phar Lap story reminds me of the Seabiscuit story, except that Phar Lap was murdered. Phar Lap was a much larger racehorse, too.
No disrespect to the other great horses mentioned here. They WERE true greats. But Phar Lap wouldn't have eaten ANY of their dust, and would most certainly have beaten them ALL. He was truly one of a kind. He was described as a "freak". Well that freak was one hell of a runner, and he loved doing it.....
studied but horses an looked at there 5 best days an times ,just to great horses who would haven gotten smoked when big red was healthy an wanted to run he was the freak of freaks look at there times
It’s amusing to read comments about Phar Lap, claiming he was the greatest horse of all time. What actual evidence do you present 1flaunt to make that statement? None. Well here's some: Secretariat never ran a 3200 metre race (the length of the Melbourne Cup, which Phar Lap won in 3:27 in 1930), but if he had, he would have bested that 1930 time by AT LEAST 8 seconds. The track record for the Melbourne is 3:16:30 set by Kingston Rule who was Secretariat’s son!! When Secretariat won the Belmont, he ran each furlong faster than the previous one. In other words, he was accelerating throughout the entire race! He won the Canadian International in 2:41, which is 2615 metres. To win the Melbourne, Secretariat would have to run 600 metres farther. Even if Secretariat had tired slightly and run this last 600 metres at 16 metres per second, his time would have been in the 3:17-3:18 range. Not as good as Kingston Rule, but close. In a hypothetical matchup at 3200 metres, Phar Lap would have lost to Secretariat by 25-30 lengths, no question. Sec would have DESTROYED Phar Lap at any distance.
Beautiful, beautiful video! Thank you so much for making and posting it. While I'm a Citation fan and lover, I love all animals and no doubt Phar Lap and Seabiscuit were among the greatest race horse of all time!
Pharlap would win. I would love to see your beloved Sec race at heavier weight. The most Sec carry 126 lbs what a joke! c'mon man Pharlap won the Caulfield Cup with 142 lbs. This same horse won with a split hoof! I would love to see Sec race at 142 and lets see how records he beat none!
Actually Phar Lap was foaled in NZ in 1926 and Sea Biscuit was foaled in US in 1933.. And yes Billy Elliot - Phar Lap's jockey in his final race gave his saddle away to George Woolf who rode Seabiscuit when Red Pollard was injured..
Why are people still arguing whether Phar Lap was an Aussie or a Kiwi?! He was born and bred in NZ, and he was trained and raced in Aussie. Personally, I think it's cool that we can share this particular icon, he is treasured in both countries, grow up people!
Beauty to behold, thank you for your lovely vidio. My all time favourite boys, pity there seems to be no recordings of 1 more incredible horse/pony. Little Stroller 14.2 show jumping little pocket rocket.
Bill Christine was a west coast Californian. Jay Hovdey was a west coast californian. Edwin Pope was a southerner. Dave Joseph was a southerner. Andy Beyer is a Marylander. Tom LaMarra was a midwestern and southwesterner.
Every horse is a champion in their field BUT to call a horse the best in the world he/she would have to race the best from every country.Australians have their champions, Americans have theirs, England have theirs, France have theirs & so on.What would be truely amazing is if you can go & watch at least 1 of these champions & just appericate what they do!I was on the fence when The Diva won her 3rd cup, & I was just in awe!I wish I was around to see the other GREATS of their time!APPERICATE ALL!
Phar Lap in the 1929 cup had an older jockey who couldnt hold him 1930 he won 1931 was given 68kgs handicap to stop him winning he won 32 out of his last 35 races Makybe Diva is a Legend but Phar Lap is and always will be the Horse of Immortality When someone from Australia thinks of the Melbourne Cup Phar Lap Springs first to there minds that says it all
Gotta agree with all of those people complainin about whether Phar Lap Aussie or Kiwi. I came from Timaru, where Phar Lap was born but now live in Australia. Phar Lap is for all of us to share as one.. Great horse and a immortal to Aus/NZ as a whole. Don't forget.... Kiwi or Aussie, there are so many thing we share together since Gallipoli.....except Russell Crowe... !He's Aussie haha
I mention that Andy Beyer still states "Easy Goer was the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat,and that Easy Goer ran faster and better than Slew,Bid and Affirmed at two and three years of age."
I heard of Francis Dunn before. Almost got confused with the one who was involved with football. Phar Lap and Seasbiscuit were really great horses. There have been many others as well and imo to name one horse as the greatest ever wouldn't be fair to the others who have done great things on the track and as well.
yes i just have to say that on the video it should say one from us, one from NZ.... I just watched the movie Phar Lap and thought id come on here and look him up...i cry everytime i watch that final race...its sooooo moving!!!!!!!! he's beautiful
@manikato75 Quote from Steve Haskins from Bloodhorse: You have to remember, this is a horse who worked a mile for the Whitney in the mud in 1:34 4/5 after splits of :57 2/5, 1:09 1/5, and 1:21 3/5. His mile time was a track record at Saratoga, as was his 1 1/8-mile gallop-out in 1:47 4/5. The gallop-out time was a full second and two-fifths faster than the final time of the Whitney. Now you tell me if there wasn't something wrong with him in the Whitney race?? Cont.
@schardy80 I will check out Black Caviar. Thanks so much for the tip Mate. A lot of horses can sprint mighty fast but most fall apart after the 1 mile pole or less. Secretariat ran a 3/8 workout just before he was a 3 yr. old in 32 3/5 seconds. For a big hoirse that is a little slow out of the gate that is damm fast. Ran 5 panels in a blow out running the 4th panel in 10 1/5 seconds. Those blow outs were not at his maxium speed.
@manikato75 , As Secretariat raced through the Belmont stretch, running as fast as a horse can run, making the back of Turcotte's jacket billow. Snapping the watch as the horse crossed the wire, Lucien cried, "Oh, my god! He went 33 and three fifths!" Horses rarely break 34 seconds going three eighths. Laurin looked ashen. Moments later he was telephoning the clocker, Jules Watson, in his aerie high above the track.Cont.
What a refreshing and mature comment to quit blaming America. I finally found and read info in your statement here. It's heartbreaking that this beautiful huge chestnut had to suffer so as he lay dying. Why the arsenic? I can't remember why they gave it to him usually in small doses??
@RuffianQueenOfRacing I will educate you some more on Secretariat in which you have no idea how fast this horse was. On March 17, 1973 he ran a 3/8 mile workout in 33 3/5 seconds a WR at the time. One of those quarters was done in 21 1/5 seconds only 2/5ths off the record. July 28th, 1973 ran a workout in "MUD'. Fractions were 45 2/5, 1:09 1/5, 1:21 3/5 and 1:34 flat for the mile. Phar Lap never could approach that mile time on grass. Secretariat just did it in a workout in 'MUD'. Grasp that.
okay thanks was a bit of a long shot. I have been looking at other Ozzy racehorse of that era and seen that Peter Pan and Phar lap never meet on the track, basicly due to only 1 year break beteewn thier careers.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Tom Smith, for many years Australia's leading conditioner, exclaimed: "Secretariat is incredible, an absolutely perfect horse. I never saw anything like him." Renowned horse painter Richard Stone Reeves said, "Buckpasser was the most perfectly proportioned Thoroughbred I have ever seen." Only two horses, Secretariat and Affirmed, have since been "in a class with Buckpasser". Eddie Arcaro said he was the prettiest horse he ever seen, Seen all since Phar Lap. Hehehe
Selmer. I would place Dan Patch ahead of Man O' War. He was certainly more famous at that time. Dan Patch was also unbeaten and broke many world records.
@manikato75 The biggest shock came Belmont day 1973 when Secreatariat did all his talking on the track Not parading around a field.. Many saw 'Pegasus' that day.He was running with 'Golden Silks' on. Like Heywood 'Woodie' Broun said. He was still showing his class. Not tired nor lathered after a very hot summer day. He passed that 1 1/4 mile post in 1:59 flat Not in a slow 2:02 3/5 And still had another 1/4 mile to go. He was moving like a 'Tremendous' Machineeeeeeeeeeeeeee.'.
@rcschumann It is said Monarchos time was done on a faster track than Norther Dancer in which was a second faster than when Secretariat ran his. Nack said if Secretariat didn't take the long route his time would have been 1:59 flat. He covered more ground. That would have been a 1:58 flat 1/5 slower than The Bid But Big Red was clocked in 1:57 4/5 'Pulling Up' in his M.C. race and that track was not so fast according to SI Whitney Tower who was there & explain the track conditions.
Maybe the greatest horse in Australia, but there would be a big dispute from the Diva fans about that. In New Zealand, Cardigan Bay is considered the greatest ever. Phar Lap is practically unheard of elsewhere.
Was one race so compelling? Phar Lap set a track record, but Caliente was only two years old. His time stood for only one year, eclipsed by a long-forgotten successor. His competition was middling. Ever heard of his runner-up, Reveille Boy? Neither has anyone else. Phar Lap was never tested in American racing. Another Man O' War? A one-hit wonder? He didn't live long enough to tell us. / Laura Hillenbrand
@SvendBosanvovski Laura was the author of Sea Biscuit and other books she written. Believe she knew and read a lot about Phar Lap and is very aware of his ocean trip, bad hoof and all. Maybe she can give you more insight about the matter. Much more than me I'm sure.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Tom Smith, for many years Australia's leading conditioner, exclaimed: "Secretariat is incredible, an absolutely perfect horse. I never saw anything like him." Richard Stone Reeves said Buckpasser was the most perfectly proportioned thoroughbred have have ever seen. Only 2 horses Secretariat & Affirmed has been in the same class as Buckpasser. Injuries of the hoof is usually caused by poor conformation and have warts on their face like Phar Lap. I'm laughing in the floor.
@rscarbro100 LOL! You read the whole article as well. "It is the right time for his trainer to find out if less mistakes will be made with a different jockey. Day's ride was A LOT like the one HE GAVE Forty Niner in the 1988 Derby. Day was PUZZLED and STOPPED and STARTED with Forty Niner and their surge in the stretch also left them a neck short. He then goes on to say,FOR AN OBJECTIVE opinion on Day's riding&he quotes Thad Ackel and "Day's patience" and "how can a great horse have his ankles."
Yes they were legends, but the big question is, which one was better? I think they need to make a simulated race like the "The Greatest Cup Never Run" with International stars such as Seabiscuit inclusive.
@manikato75 William Nack Quote from the article 'The Man Wjho Trained A Flying Horse: Almost 30 years later I can still see Laurin on that early morning of March 14 at Belmont Park, when he hoisted jockey Ron Turcotte aboard Secretariat for the colt's final three-eighths-of-a-mile workout leading up to his first race in that magical Triple Crown season. "Let him roll, Ronnie," Laurin said. A few minutes later there was Laurin, draped on the rail with stopwatch in hand.
@schardy80 I understand very well my good man & respect your opinion very much. I do not see any disrespect in your posting. Secretariat was the only horse probably in history that set records 'Pulling Up' & some were done in his workouts which were not all out except his 3/8 mile workout when Laurin told Ronnie to let him roll. A week before the Whitney race he ran a 1 mile workout in 'MUD' in 1:34 4/5 which was a record & 'Gallop Out' another furlong in 1:47 4/5. And that was a record.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing I am glad you admiitted Woodcock giving him that 'DOPE' Now you know why Phar Lap won his races. I guess he was the best of all time 'Dopped Up' horse. Congratulations. BTW Man 0' War was 1st Big Red and BTW Secretariat was the prettiest Big Red. Please don't be jealous of that too.
@rscarbro100 And also, I'd like to know exactly what you wrote -- just how much was MOW running under restraint? Could he have run his Belmont 2 seconds faster? Or did they really put the brakes on him since he had no competition? Everyone says different things -- hard to know who to trust. In the Dwyer race he had to run flat out to win -- but, he won. JPG wasn't a scrub, he was the consensus runner up for horse of the year behind MOW. But that was the only race he was ever extended.
There also is some question to some of the Beyers for Easy Goer. For instance, in Ray Paulick's book, he has Easy Goer's Belmont at 126. He also has Easy Goer's Whitney at 122, Travers at 124, Suburban at 122,Classic at 124, even his SLOW Jockey Club Gold Cup at 122 because the track was extremely slow. Sounds to me like EG beyered these amazing beyers on SLOW tracks and fast tracks. "While the tracks were fast,they were NOT freaky,souped up.Easy Goer ran faster than Slew,Aff,Bid at 2,3."
@EASYGOER4LIFE You quote Edwin Pope on Day's bad riding but in that same article here is what Andy Beyer said. Quote: But Andrew Beyer of the Washington Post wrote of Sunday Silence's performance: "The ability to out-kick a rival and the fortitude to outfight him--these are qualities that help define one horse's superiority over another. Moreover, Sunday Silence has scored his important victories in every corner of the country, Cont.
@rscarbro100 I mention what? I mentioned that no other horse has ever done that Belmont,Whitney,Travers,Woodward&Jockey Club Gold Cup. And only Easy Goer,Kelso and Slew O'Gold have ever even won the Whitney,Woodward and Jockey Club Gold in the same year, but Easy Goer was the only three year old, the other two were older horses. I mention that Crist wrote Easy Goer's campaign after that historic run, "was closing in on a 3 year old campaign worthy of Secretariat."
@manikato75 Also read the article by Barbaraanne Helberg called Secretariat: The best horse ever. Quote: By the time Secretariat's short career ended later in 1973, Nack reported Arcaro saying of the colt, "He's the fastest horse I've ever seen." And long-time horsemen Charles Hatton and Hollie Hughes called Secretariat "the greatest" and "the horse of the century", respectively. End of Quote
@Kulaness ,sounds like u miss me,Ever heard of Francis Dunn the racing steward? they asked him who was better Man o War or Secretariat,he replied "neither i saw Phar Lap"Eddie said Citation and Whirlaway were the greatest he rode,but said Phar Lap was the best,Eddie raced against Phar Lap in agua,what Phar Lap did will never be repeated
@rscarbro100 LOL! What article are you talking about? The Beyer article I am referring to is completely different,it was in the Schenectedy Gazette via the Washington Post. There were also some snippets in his book beyer on speed in reference to Easy Goer being the fastest two year old of the 80's,90's,2000's.
The whole point was to say that according to Andy Beyer&many other experts, "Easy Goer was the fastest two&three year old since Secretariat,&faster than Slew,Affirmed,Bid at the ages of two &three,by how fast his many races were."&that many experts cite&see the obvious on Day's bad riding,there is always going to be differing opinions on rides.Christine,Crist,Pope,Moran,Watchmaker,etc.Read Joe Drape's book,"Race for the Triple Crown"&he writes about Day's "deliberate,passive,start,stop,patient."
@manikato75Laurin's mouth dropped open as Watson read him the message. "Thirty-two and three fifths?" Laurin repeated. A full second faster than his own clocking, it was one of the swiftest workouts ever recorded in New York.
@rscarbro100 LOL!I am from KY. Bill Christine was a CALIFORNIAN and he had TWO articles on Day's riding, the other "Valenzuela's aggressiveness overwhelming Day's patient riding" and "Day making 3 mistakes". Edwin Pope was a southerner from Miami! Crist is NY but even he stated EG had legitamite excuses in the Derby(spinning his wheels),Preakness(bad ride). Jay Hovdey,a Californian,compared EG-SS to the 1960 Yankees losing to the Pirates in a series,outscoring them 55-27.
People seem top forget the other racehorse of the time they called the "Chocolate Soldier". He was supposed to meet up with Phar Lap in a match race, but Phar Lap never made it unfortunately.
@Kulaness,WHo cares about different eras?im not bashing anyone,What Phar Lap achieved will never be matched in 2 hemispheres,Here's a quote" there appeared in the West an enormous gelding considered by many experts --including jockey Eddie Arcaro, New York State Steward Francis Dunne and Marshall Cassidy, who succeeded his father as dean of American racing officials-- as the greatest thoroughbred ever to race on the American continent".Phar Lap
These two have one thing in common - they had films made about them. Both great horses though. Probably Secretariat would be the best America has produced. Sea Bird II's 1965 Arc has to be seen to be believed. He nearly feel asleep, and still beat a field of champs by six lengths.
Except only Pharlap and Secretariet are the only champion race horses to have hearts TWICE the size of a normal horse. Maybe that's why they were legends.
@schardy80 That 1:47 4/5 was over a second faster than the race itself. It is well known he had a fever plus Whitney Tower quoted he ran the rail which was 'Doubly' deep.Steve Haskins said he was 'Totally' not prepared for the Woodward. Did not train for that race. Had a 'Abcess' in the Wood. If you seen his maiden race its easy to see why he lost & then there was the disquailfication. You can call them exuses, explanaions or whatever. I guess its up to you to believe it or not. Cont.
@PoulnabroneModesty There was also a movie made about Phar Lap (I think it was late 1970's or so). Get a copy if you can....his story is also incredible.
Dean Konstantian, As I said, I'm proud he was a NZ horse. Now your're just going to have to argue with yourself because I see you're an antagonistic type of a person. Full stop. Bye, bye Dean Konstantian.
@rscarbro100 I am having fun too! Where are you from??...Well consistent, I think he was? Why you ask? In his "bad races",EG got beat by two lengths&a little over a length,both over a peanut buttery Churchill track(I think his trainer said he hated one track,Churchill Downs only),&his one other "bad race" was in the Met Mile where Ray Paulick wrote in his book that EG was "lame for the Met Mile race". Easy Goer ran the other 17 of his 20 races brilliantly,14 brilliant wins,losses by nose,neck
@rscarbro100 Also even if Bill Finley said the track was also very fast, he also wrote, "In an effort so BRILLIANT, it will never be forgotten by any who witnessed it,Easy Goer WENT BEYOND MERE BRILLIANCE, one fifth of a second off Dr. Fager's world record. Easy Goer did it SO EFFORTLESSLY that he appeared capable of running FAR FASTER(which he did), a startling thought considering he is in his second start as a three year old& well away from his prime." Ran 9f gallop out in 1:45.4 also
@schardy80 I don't know how you can come to the conclusion Phar Lap was the 5th best horse Australian /NZ produced. To say he didn't beat much shows what little research you have done. I'm from a 3rd generation racing family and can say without doubt he was not only a true champion but the greatest horse this country has ever seen. Why? Because he beat very good horses. Horses that if he wasn't around they would've been champions. Amounis & Nightmarch just to name a few. He was a freak!
@manikato75 ." Now Eddy knew a lot more older peoples than I ever did. It was only in the last couple of years where I read that Eddy mentioned that Citation was the best he rode, but he never mentioned that to me. He would always say: "That Big Red "so and so" you rode was the best no ifs or buts about it!" Hehehe
@EASYGOER4LIFE My mistake my good man but he was hit 8 times in the Belmont not six. Blow the screen up full size & look real close. Besides I believe it was Steve Haskins that said a jockey need not to hit his horse more than 7 times to get him to his Max. speed. and will try to find that article.
@rscarbro100 You yourself have called some of Day's rides(plural) on Easy Goer very bad, mainly in the Preakness and Classic by a nostril and desperate neck. No doubt that S.S deserves A LOT of credit for being another great horse who could take full advantage,even if the margins were by a nostril in 1:53.4 and neck in Classic. There were many experts who stated the obvious about Day's riding-Joe Drape's book,Edwin Pope,Bill Christine,Paul Moran,Crist,etc.
@rscarbro100 Here is the quote posted by Christine sounds of silence. "Pat and I agree that he made riding mistakes in the Preakness," McGaughey said. "But in the other races, there were circumstances that contributed to what happened." There were two points in the Classic that hurt Easy Goer, McGaughey said. The horse tried to lug in shortly after the start and had trouble negotiating the far turn, when Easy Goer was trying to cut into Sunday Silence's lead. End of quote
@RuffianQueenOfRacing The 82-page notebook, which belonged to Phar Lap's trainer Harry Telford, provides the first written proof of the tonics and ointments he used on racehorses. Twenty-eight of the homeopathic recipes in the notebook were written in Telford's hand, with two others added by his track-work jockey, Ernie Fellows, auctioneer Charles Leski of Charles Leski Auctions in Melbourne said. Cont.
@SvendBosanvovski ] Wikipedia: A horse’s skeletal system adapts to the exercise they are receiving. Because the skeletal system does not reach full maturity until the horse is at least four years of age, young racehorses often suffer multiple injuries. A horse at 5 is at his peak not a aged horse. Some horses reach maturity at 4 and some 5 yrs. of age. So Phar Lap was not a aged horse when he ran at Agua. Larger fields you run slower times. Smaller fields you run faster times. Cont.
@rscarbro100 LOL! You yourself have called Day's riding awful. Baby hands is specifically this: Read Joe Drape's book,"Race for the Triple Crown", and he describes Day's riding as "deliberate,passive," Day calls his own riding on Easy Goer "absolute rider error".Day also used his start and stop,start and stop,start and stop,"I gave him breathers around the far turn in both races."Funny, Crist also said EG had legitamite excuse in the Derby(a track he spun his wheels over) and Preakness(bad ride)
@manikato75 I know all about Phar Lap. He ran many races carring scale weight & never came close to running the times Secretariat ran nor MOW. He was only carring 129 lbs. when he set a record in Mexico in his last race. The very next year a unheard of horse broke that record easy. The cracked hoof did not hurt hm a bit. When he did not have a cracked hoof his times were slower. It just don't add up. Most experts have him 22nd best. I believe.
@schardy80 All the experts say the Belmont was the most out of this world performace by any race horse in history. The record was broken by 2 3/5 seconds. The Dr. broke his by only 2/5 of a second. The Dr. was truly a 'Super' horse himself & would be more than a challenge for Secretariat in a mile race But my money is on Big Red. He ran a 3/8 mile workout before he was 3 yrs. old in 32 3/5 seconds. The experts would just shake their heads in disbelief.
@manikato75 Eddie did quote it. Go & read the article by Bill Christine dated Nov. 15, 1997. The article is titled the master is dead at 81. And here is the quote by Eddie as he told Ron Turcotte when he wrote a letter to his fans at why he thought Secretariat deserves to be chosen as Horse of the Century, Quote: He would always say: "That Big Red "so and so" you rode was the best no ifs or buts about it!"
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Daily Racing Forum private clockers clocked Secretariat. Sure some of them are unoffical but just bercasue that was not the distance of the race.But we know he did run that fast. DRF has proof beyond a doubt that no one can deny. I know of the slow times Phar Lap ran on grass carrying 138 lbs in 3:27 4/5 time, Kelso carried 136 lbs and ran in 2:23 4/5 on grass for the 1 1/2 mile. Give him 15 seconds for each furlong and his time would have been 3:23 4/5 for 2 miles.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing In the Marlboro Cup Secretariat carried 124 lbs. Riva Ridge carried 126. Daily Racing Forum said Secretariat was 7 lbs better. Ran a time in 1:57 4/5 pulling up at the 1 1/4 post. 9 lbs is the correct weight for age difference. It is easy to see Secretariat could have carried 136 lbs and beat Phar Lap at any distance with Phar Lap carrying only 129 lbs.
Secretariat did not race past the age of three. Handicap races don't start in the USA untiil the horses are four years old. 126 is the standard weight for three year olds. Phar Lap carried heavier and heavier weights the more he won. It's a damn shame that the closest Phar Lap got to racing in the USA was at Agua Caliente in Mexico. The Phar Lap story reminds me of the Seabiscuit story, except that Phar Lap was murdered. Phar Lap was a much larger racehorse, too.
Two amazing horses that still haven't left us!!! Thank you for making sure of that!!!!
No disrespect to the other great horses mentioned here. They WERE true greats. But Phar Lap wouldn't have eaten ANY of their dust, and would most certainly have beaten them ALL. He was truly one of a kind. He was described as a "freak". Well that freak was one hell of a runner, and he loved doing it.....
studied but horses an looked at there 5 best days an times ,just to great horses who would haven gotten smoked when big red was healthy an wanted to run he was the freak of freaks look at there times
How good was this Big Red
It’s amusing to read comments about Phar Lap, claiming he was the greatest horse of all time. What actual evidence do you present 1flaunt to make that statement? None. Well here's some: Secretariat never ran a 3200 metre race (the length of the Melbourne Cup, which Phar Lap won in 3:27 in 1930), but if he had, he would have bested that 1930 time by AT LEAST 8 seconds. The track record for the Melbourne is 3:16:30 set by Kingston Rule who was Secretariat’s son!! When Secretariat won the Belmont, he ran each furlong faster than the previous one. In other words, he was accelerating throughout the entire race! He won the Canadian International in 2:41, which is 2615 metres. To win the Melbourne, Secretariat would have to run 600 metres farther. Even if Secretariat had tired slightly and run this last 600 metres at 16 metres per second, his time would have been in the 3:17-3:18 range. Not as good as Kingston Rule, but close. In a hypothetical matchup at 3200 metres, Phar Lap would have lost to Secretariat by 25-30 lengths, no question. Sec would have DESTROYED Phar Lap at any distance.
So by your logic, Kingston Rule beats Secretariat? Kingston Rule is not remember as one of our best..not by far!
1flaunt I disagree secretariat is the real deal
Beautiful, beautiful video! Thank you so much for making and posting it. While I'm a Citation fan and lover, I love all animals and no doubt Phar Lap and Seabiscuit were among the greatest race horse of all time!
Pharlap would win. I would love to see your beloved Sec race at heavier weight. The most Sec carry 126 lbs what a joke! c'mon man Pharlap won the Caulfield Cup with 142 lbs. This same horse won with a split hoof! I would love to see Sec race at 142 and lets see how records he beat none!
Lincoln Nearing Umm get your facts right. Seabiscuit carried weights up to 136 pounds.
Dont be like frankel fans both were the best
i cried at the film seabisciut that was one AMAZING film, even non-horsey people would love it
Actually Phar Lap was foaled in NZ in 1926 and Sea Biscuit was foaled in US in 1933..
And yes Billy Elliot - Phar Lap's jockey in his final race gave his saddle away to George Woolf who rode Seabiscuit when Red Pollard was injured..
Why are people still arguing whether Phar Lap was an Aussie or a Kiwi?! He was born and bred in NZ, and he was trained and raced in Aussie. Personally, I think it's cool that we can share this particular icon, he is treasured in both countries, grow up people!
Hammer... Könnte weinen wenn ich diese Bilder sehe... zwei herrausragende Pferde, die so nie nie wieder geben wird!!! Großes Lob an dich!!!
Beauty to behold, thank you for your lovely vidio. My all time favourite boys, pity there seems to be no recordings of 1 more incredible horse/pony. Little Stroller 14.2 show jumping little pocket rocket.
Bill Christine was a west coast Californian. Jay Hovdey was a west coast californian. Edwin Pope was a southerner. Dave Joseph was a southerner. Andy Beyer is a Marylander. Tom LaMarra was a midwestern and southwesterner.
thank you for this wonderful heart moving clip of the most beloved two true champions of the horse racing world... thank u!
Kathryn... what a wonderful tribute. Thank you for sharing this!
btw great vid a wonderfull way to help us to remamber the worlds greatest horses. could u do one for red rum?
Hard to argue with that but they both had extraordinary motors.
Every horse is a champion in their field BUT to call a horse the best in the world he/she would have to race the best from every country.Australians have their champions, Americans have theirs, England have theirs, France have theirs & so on.What would be truely amazing is if you can go & watch at least 1 of these champions & just appericate what they do!I was on the fence when The Diva won her 3rd cup, & I was just in awe!I wish I was around to see the other GREATS of their time!APPERICATE ALL!
@MAD4MEGADETH Very good. He was bred in NZ & made his name in Australia. Hope that clears everything up for you!
Phar Lap in the 1929 cup had an older jockey who couldnt hold him 1930 he won 1931 was given 68kgs handicap to stop him winning he won 32 out of his last 35 races Makybe Diva is a Legend but Phar Lap is and always will be the Horse of Immortality When someone from Australia thinks of the Melbourne Cup Phar Lap Springs first to there minds that says it all
Gotta agree with all of those people complainin about whether Phar Lap Aussie or Kiwi. I came from Timaru, where Phar Lap was born but now live in Australia. Phar Lap is for all of us to share as one.. Great horse and a immortal to Aus/NZ as a whole.
Don't forget.... Kiwi or Aussie, there are so many thing we share together since Gallipoli.....except Russell Crowe... !He's Aussie haha
My 2 favourite Race Horses in the world to come out of Horse racing
phar lap was a new zealand horse, he was brought by an australian and trained over there.
I mention that Andy Beyer still states "Easy Goer was the fastest two and three year old since Secretariat,and that Easy Goer ran faster and better than Slew,Bid and Affirmed at two and three years of age."
This video was just beautiful. It warmed my heart.
Phar Lap Is an kiwi Icon he was born here
I heard of Francis Dunn before. Almost got confused with the one who was involved with football. Phar Lap and Seasbiscuit were really great horses. There have been many others as well and imo to name one horse as the greatest ever wouldn't be fair to the others who have done great things on the track and as well.
2 Great Champion Horses! Lovely video & Music!....
Nice tribute video, excellent music. Thanks for posting!!
It would have been a horse race made in heaven neck and neck at the finish line can't split the two of them.
Okay have to pick...... PHAR LAP he held on by a nose.
i love the seabiscuit movie and they are both winnnes
yes i just have to say that on the video it should say one from us, one from NZ....
I just watched the movie Phar Lap and thought id come on here and look him up...i cry everytime i watch that final race...its sooooo moving!!!!!!!! he's beautiful
@manikato75 Quote from Steve Haskins from Bloodhorse:
You have to remember, this is a horse who worked a mile for the Whitney in the mud in 1:34 4/5 after splits of :57 2/5, 1:09 1/5, and 1:21 3/5. His mile time was a track record at Saratoga, as was his 1 1/8-mile gallop-out in 1:47 4/5. The gallop-out time was a full second and two-fifths faster than the final time of the Whitney.
Now you tell me if there wasn't something wrong with him in the Whitney race?? Cont.
Lovely movie!!
@schardy80 I will check out Black Caviar. Thanks so much for the tip Mate. A lot of horses can sprint mighty fast but most fall apart after the 1 mile pole or less. Secretariat ran a 3/8 workout just before he was a 3 yr. old in 32 3/5 seconds. For a big hoirse that is a little slow out of the gate that is damm fast. Ran 5 panels in a blow out running the 4th panel in 10 1/5 seconds. Those blow outs were not at his maxium speed.
Your grandfather must have had some exciting stories to tell you. interesting times back then, but always wonderful being a racetracker
@manikato75 , As Secretariat raced through the Belmont stretch, running as fast as a horse can run, making the back of Turcotte's jacket billow. Snapping the watch as the horse crossed the wire, Lucien cried, "Oh, my god! He went 33 and three fifths!" Horses rarely break 34 seconds going three eighths. Laurin looked ashen. Moments later he was telephoning the clocker, Jules Watson, in his aerie high above the track.Cont.
Wow Phar Lap was huge!!!!!!
What a refreshing and mature comment to quit blaming America. I finally found and read info in your statement here. It's heartbreaking that this beautiful huge chestnut had to suffer so as he lay dying. Why the arsenic? I can't remember why they gave it to him usually in small doses??
pharlap was born in new zealand, oct 4 1926
@RuffianQueenOfRacing I will educate you some more on Secretariat in which you have no idea how fast this horse was. On March 17, 1973 he ran a 3/8 mile workout in 33 3/5 seconds a WR at the time. One of those quarters was done in 21 1/5 seconds only 2/5ths off the record. July 28th, 1973 ran a workout in "MUD'. Fractions were 45 2/5, 1:09 1/5, 1:21 3/5 and 1:34 flat for the mile. Phar Lap never could approach that mile time on grass. Secretariat just did it in a workout in 'MUD'. Grasp that.
okay thanks was a bit of a long shot. I have been looking at other Ozzy racehorse of that era and seen that Peter Pan and Phar lap never meet on the track, basicly due to only 1 year break beteewn thier careers.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Tom Smith, for many years Australia's leading conditioner, exclaimed: "Secretariat is incredible, an absolutely perfect horse. I never saw anything like him."
Renowned horse painter Richard Stone Reeves said, "Buckpasser was the most perfectly proportioned Thoroughbred I have ever seen." Only two horses, Secretariat and Affirmed, have since been "in a class with Buckpasser". Eddie Arcaro said he was the prettiest horse he ever seen, Seen all since Phar Lap. Hehehe
was australia who made him a winner though hey...
Yup, and NZ cut his nuts off. Imagine what he could have accomplished balls and all
Nz breed some absolute champions.. perhaps the greatest. Seabiscuit packed on mighty heart in that smallish frame..
Selmer. I would place Dan Patch ahead of Man O' War. He was certainly more famous at that time. Dan Patch was also unbeaten and broke many world records.
@manikato75 The biggest shock came Belmont day 1973 when Secreatariat did all his talking on the track Not parading around a field.. Many saw 'Pegasus' that day.He was running with 'Golden Silks' on. Like Heywood 'Woodie' Broun said. He was still showing his class. Not tired nor lathered after a very hot summer day. He passed that 1 1/4 mile post in 1:59 flat Not in a slow 2:02 3/5 And still had another 1/4 mile to go. He was moving like a 'Tremendous' Machineeeeeeeeeeeeeee.'.
Great video.
Beautiful kath and unlike frankel followers i wont say one was better because theyre both legends
@rcschumann It is said Monarchos time was done on a faster track than Norther Dancer in which was a second faster than when Secretariat ran his. Nack said if Secretariat didn't take the long route his time would have been 1:59 flat. He covered more ground. That would have been a 1:58 flat 1/5 slower than The Bid But Big Red was clocked in 1:57 4/5 'Pulling Up' in his M.C. race and that track was not so fast according to SI Whitney Tower who was there & explain the track conditions.
Maybe the greatest horse in Australia, but there would be a big dispute from the Diva fans about that. In New Zealand, Cardigan Bay is considered the greatest ever. Phar Lap is practically unheard of elsewhere.
Was one race so compelling? Phar Lap set a track record, but Caliente was only two years old. His time stood for only one year, eclipsed by a long-forgotten successor. His competition was middling. Ever heard of his runner-up, Reveille Boy? Neither has anyone else. Phar Lap was never tested in American racing.
Another Man O' War? A one-hit wonder? He didn't live long enough to tell us. / Laura Hillenbrand
@SvendBosanvovski Laura was the author of Sea Biscuit and other books she written. Believe she knew and read a lot about Phar Lap and is very aware of his ocean trip, bad hoof and all. Maybe she can give you more insight about the matter. Much more than me I'm sure.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Tom Smith, for many years Australia's leading conditioner, exclaimed: "Secretariat is incredible, an absolutely perfect horse. I never saw anything like him." Richard Stone Reeves said Buckpasser was the most perfectly proportioned thoroughbred have have ever seen. Only 2 horses Secretariat & Affirmed has been in the same class as Buckpasser. Injuries of the hoof is usually caused by poor conformation and have warts on their face like Phar Lap. I'm laughing in the floor.
@rscarbro100 LOL! You read the whole article as well. "It is the right time for his trainer to find out if less mistakes will be made with a different jockey. Day's ride was A LOT like the one HE GAVE Forty Niner in the 1988 Derby. Day was PUZZLED and STOPPED and STARTED with Forty Niner and their surge in the stretch also left them a neck short. He then goes on to say,FOR AN OBJECTIVE opinion on Day's riding&he quotes Thad Ackel and "Day's patience" and "how can a great horse have his ankles."
"But one came from the Southern, and the other from the Northern emesphere. I guess I am am just too good for you, when you talk Racing. "
Yeah that's because phar lap was a New Zealand horse
So beauty
I love sea biscuit… ruffian… secretariat …. And Zenyatta
Yes they were legends, but the big question is, which one was better? I think they need to make a simulated race like the "The Greatest Cup Never Run" with International stars such as Seabiscuit inclusive.
@manikato75 William Nack Quote from the article 'The Man Wjho Trained A Flying Horse:
Almost 30 years later I can still see Laurin on that early morning of March 14 at Belmont Park, when he hoisted jockey Ron Turcotte aboard Secretariat for the colt's final three-eighths-of-a-mile workout leading up to his first race in that magical Triple Crown season. "Let him roll, Ronnie," Laurin said. A few minutes later there was Laurin, draped on the rail with stopwatch in hand.
@schardy80 I understand very well my good man & respect your opinion very much. I do not see any disrespect in your posting. Secretariat was the only horse probably in history that set records 'Pulling Up' & some were done in his workouts which were not all out except his 3/8 mile workout when Laurin told Ronnie to let him roll. A week before the Whitney race he ran a 1 mile workout in 'MUD' in 1:34 4/5 which was a record & 'Gallop Out' another furlong in 1:47 4/5. And that was a record.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing I am glad you admiitted Woodcock giving him that 'DOPE' Now you know why Phar Lap won his races. I guess he was the best of all time 'Dopped Up' horse. Congratulations. BTW Man 0' War was 1st Big Red and BTW Secretariat was the prettiest Big Red. Please don't be jealous of that too.
@rscarbro100 And also, I'd like to know exactly what you wrote -- just how much was MOW running under restraint? Could he have run his Belmont 2 seconds faster? Or did they really put the brakes on him since he had no competition? Everyone says different things -- hard to know who to trust.
In the Dwyer race he had to run flat out to win -- but, he won. JPG wasn't a scrub, he was the consensus runner up for horse of the year behind MOW. But that was the only race he was ever extended.
There also is some question to some of the Beyers for Easy Goer. For instance, in Ray Paulick's book, he has Easy Goer's Belmont at 126. He also has Easy Goer's Whitney at 122, Travers at 124, Suburban at 122,Classic at 124, even his SLOW Jockey Club Gold Cup at 122 because the track was extremely slow. Sounds to me like EG beyered these amazing beyers on SLOW tracks and fast tracks. "While the tracks were fast,they were NOT freaky,souped up.Easy Goer ran faster than Slew,Aff,Bid at 2,3."
@EASYGOER4LIFE You quote Edwin Pope on Day's bad riding but in that same article here is what Andy Beyer said. Quote: But Andrew Beyer of the Washington Post wrote of Sunday Silence's performance: "The ability to out-kick a rival and the fortitude to outfight him--these are qualities that help define one horse's superiority over another. Moreover, Sunday Silence has scored his important victories in every corner of the country, Cont.
@rscarbro100 I mention what? I mentioned that no other horse has ever done that Belmont,Whitney,Travers,Woodward&Jockey Club Gold Cup. And only Easy Goer,Kelso and Slew O'Gold have ever even won the Whitney,Woodward and Jockey Club Gold in the same year, but Easy Goer was the only three year old, the other two were older horses. I mention that Crist wrote Easy Goer's campaign after that historic run, "was closing in on a 3 year old campaign worthy of Secretariat."
@manikato75 Also read the article by Barbaraanne Helberg called Secretariat: The best horse ever.
Quote: By the time Secretariat's short career ended later in 1973, Nack reported Arcaro saying of the colt, "He's the fastest horse I've ever seen." And long-time horsemen Charles Hatton and Hollie Hughes called Secretariat "the greatest" and "the horse of the century", respectively. End of Quote
@Kulaness ,sounds like u miss me,Ever heard of Francis Dunn the racing steward? they asked him who was better Man o War or Secretariat,he replied "neither i saw Phar Lap"Eddie said Citation and Whirlaway were the greatest he rode,but said Phar Lap was the best,Eddie raced against Phar Lap in agua,what Phar Lap did will never be repeated
@rscarbro100 LOL! What article are you talking about? The Beyer article I am referring to is completely different,it was in the Schenectedy Gazette via the Washington Post. There were also some snippets in his book beyer on speed in reference to Easy Goer being the fastest two year old of the 80's,90's,2000's.
the pic at 1:46 is sooooo funny it must have been scary to be that high up for that jockey
The whole point was to say that according to Andy Beyer&many other experts, "Easy Goer was the fastest two&three year old since Secretariat,&faster than Slew,Affirmed,Bid at the ages of two &three,by how fast his many races were."&that many experts cite&see the obvious on Day's bad riding,there is always going to be differing opinions on rides.Christine,Crist,Pope,Moran,Watchmaker,etc.Read Joe Drape's book,"Race for the Triple Crown"&he writes about Day's "deliberate,passive,start,stop,patient."
@manikato75Laurin's mouth dropped open as Watson read him the message. "Thirty-two and three fifths?" Laurin repeated. A full second faster than his own clocking, it was one of the swiftest workouts ever recorded in New York.
@rscarbro100 LOL!I am from KY. Bill Christine was a CALIFORNIAN and he had TWO articles on Day's riding, the other "Valenzuela's aggressiveness overwhelming Day's patient riding" and "Day making 3 mistakes". Edwin Pope was a southerner from Miami! Crist is NY but even he stated EG had legitamite excuses in the Derby(spinning his wheels),Preakness(bad ride). Jay Hovdey,a Californian,compared EG-SS to the 1960 Yankees losing to the Pirates in a series,outscoring them 55-27.
People seem top forget the other racehorse of the time they called the "Chocolate Soldier". He was supposed to meet up with Phar Lap in a match race, but Phar Lap never made it unfortunately.
@Kulaness,WHo cares about different eras?im not bashing anyone,What Phar Lap achieved will never be matched in 2 hemispheres,Here's a quote" there appeared in the West
an enormous gelding considered by many experts
--including jockey Eddie Arcaro, New York State Steward Francis Dunne and Marshall Cassidy, who succeeded his father as dean of American racing officials--
as the greatest thoroughbred ever to race on the American continent".Phar Lap
These two have one thing in common - they had films made about them. Both great horses though. Probably Secretariat would be the best America has produced. Sea Bird II's 1965 Arc has to be seen to be believed. He nearly feel asleep, and still beat a field of champs by six lengths.
Except only Pharlap and Secretariet are the only champion race horses to have hearts TWICE the size of a normal horse. Maybe that's why they were legends.
@schardy80 That 1:47 4/5 was over a second faster than the race itself. It is well known he had a fever plus Whitney Tower quoted he ran the rail which was 'Doubly' deep.Steve Haskins said he was 'Totally' not prepared for the Woodward. Did not train for that race. Had a 'Abcess' in the Wood. If you seen his maiden race its easy to see why he lost & then there was the disquailfication. You can call them exuses, explanaions or whatever. I guess its up to you to believe it or not. Cont.
@PoulnabroneModesty There was also a movie made about Phar Lap (I think it was late 1970's or so). Get a copy if you can....his story is also incredible.
Phar Lap was a New Zealand horse. Now, keep the cyber bullying and bickering down!
Dean Konstantian, you might have won me over if you weren't condescending. I'm proud that Phar Lap was a New Zealand horse.
Dean Konstantian, As I said, I'm proud he was a NZ horse. Now your're just going to have to argue with yourself because I see you're an antagonistic type of a person. Full stop. Bye, bye Dean Konstantian.
Look on Ebay. It's a great movie.
Yes New Zealand bred but was taken to australia when he was two and lived and trained here, so tachinically it made him Australian... right?
My heart breaks when i watch this
@rscarbro100 I am having fun too! Where are you from??...Well consistent, I think he was? Why you ask? In his "bad races",EG got beat by two lengths&a little over a length,both over a peanut buttery Churchill track(I think his trainer said he hated one track,Churchill Downs only),&his one other "bad race" was in the Met Mile where Ray Paulick wrote in his book that EG was "lame for the Met Mile race". Easy Goer ran the other 17 of his 20 races brilliantly,14 brilliant wins,losses by nose,neck
@rscarbro100 Also even if Bill Finley said the track was also very fast, he also wrote, "In an effort so BRILLIANT, it will never be forgotten by any who witnessed it,Easy Goer WENT BEYOND MERE BRILLIANCE, one fifth of a second off Dr. Fager's world record. Easy Goer did it SO EFFORTLESSLY that he appeared capable of running FAR FASTER(which he did), a startling thought considering he is in his second start as a three year old& well away from his prime." Ran 9f gallop out in 1:45.4 also
@schardy80 I don't know how you can come to the conclusion Phar Lap was the 5th best horse Australian /NZ produced. To say he didn't beat much shows what little research you have done. I'm from a 3rd generation racing family and can say without doubt he was not only a true champion but the greatest horse this country has ever seen. Why? Because he beat very good horses. Horses that if he wasn't around they would've been champions. Amounis & Nightmarch just to name a few. He was a freak!
I don't know much about horse racing but can the two be compared, who would have won?
@manikato75 ." Now Eddy knew a lot more older peoples than I ever did. It was
only in the last couple of years where I read that Eddy mentioned that
Citation was the best he rode, but he never mentioned that
to me. He would always say: "That Big Red "so and so" you rode was the
best no ifs or buts about it!"
Hehehe
@EASYGOER4LIFE My mistake my good man but he was hit 8 times in the Belmont not six. Blow the screen up full size & look real close. Besides I believe it was Steve Haskins that said a jockey need not to hit his horse more than 7 times to get him to his Max. speed. and will try to find that article.
@rscarbro100 You yourself have called some of Day's rides(plural) on Easy Goer very bad, mainly in the Preakness and Classic by a nostril and desperate neck. No doubt that S.S deserves A LOT of credit for being another great horse who could take full advantage,even if the margins were by a nostril in 1:53.4 and neck in Classic. There were many experts who stated the obvious about Day's riding-Joe Drape's book,Edwin Pope,Bill Christine,Paul Moran,Crist,etc.
@rscarbro100 Here is the quote posted by Christine sounds of silence. "Pat and I agree that he made riding mistakes in the Preakness," McGaughey said. "But in the other races, there were circumstances that contributed to what happened."
There were two points in the Classic that hurt Easy Goer, McGaughey said. The horse tried to lug in shortly after the start and had trouble negotiating the far turn, when Easy Goer was trying to cut into Sunday Silence's lead. End of quote
@RuffianQueenOfRacing The 82-page notebook, which belonged to Phar Lap's trainer Harry Telford, provides the first written proof of the tonics and ointments he used on racehorses.
Twenty-eight of the homeopathic recipes in the notebook were written in Telford's hand, with two others added by his track-work jockey, Ernie Fellows, auctioneer Charles Leski of Charles Leski Auctions in Melbourne said. Cont.
@SvendBosanvovski ] Wikipedia: A horse’s skeletal system adapts to the exercise they are receiving. Because the skeletal system does not reach full maturity until the horse is at least four years of age, young racehorses often suffer multiple injuries. A horse at 5 is at his peak not a aged horse. Some horses reach maturity at 4 and some 5 yrs. of age. So Phar Lap was not a aged horse when he ran at Agua. Larger fields you run slower times. Smaller fields you run faster times. Cont.
@rscarbro100 LOL! You yourself have called Day's riding awful. Baby hands is specifically this: Read Joe Drape's book,"Race for the Triple Crown", and he describes Day's riding as "deliberate,passive," Day calls his own riding on Easy Goer "absolute rider error".Day also used his start and stop,start and stop,start and stop,"I gave him breathers around the far turn in both races."Funny, Crist also said EG had legitamite excuse in the Derby(a track he spun his wheels over) and Preakness(bad ride)
@manikato75 I know all about Phar Lap. He ran many races carring scale weight & never came close to running the times Secretariat ran nor MOW. He was only carring 129 lbs. when he set a record in Mexico in his last race. The very next year a unheard of horse broke that record easy. The cracked hoof did not hurt hm a bit. When he did not have a cracked hoof his times were slower. It just don't add up. Most experts have him 22nd best. I believe.
i loved th movie also what was the song on this video
@schardy80 All the experts say the Belmont was the most out of this world performace by any race horse in history. The record was broken by 2 3/5 seconds. The Dr. broke his by only 2/5 of a second. The Dr. was truly a 'Super' horse himself & would be more than a challenge for Secretariat in a mile race But my money is on Big Red. He ran a 3/8 mile workout before he was 3 yrs. old in 32 3/5 seconds. The experts would just shake their heads in disbelief.
Did they ever race each other? They were from the same era weren't they
@manikato75 Eddie did quote it. Go & read the article by Bill Christine dated Nov. 15, 1997. The article is titled the master is dead at 81. And here is the quote by Eddie as he told Ron Turcotte when he wrote a letter to his fans at why he thought Secretariat deserves to be chosen as Horse of the Century, Quote:
He would always say: "That Big Red "so and so" you rode was the
best no ifs or buts about it!"
i wuold like to see the the film phar lap, but dont have it, could anyone plz copy it to youtube, many thanks!!!!!!!!
@RuffianQueenOfRacing Daily Racing Forum private clockers clocked Secretariat. Sure some of them are unoffical but just bercasue that was not the distance of the race.But we know he did run that fast. DRF has proof beyond a doubt that no one can deny. I know of the slow times Phar Lap ran on grass carrying 138 lbs in 3:27 4/5 time, Kelso carried 136 lbs and ran in 2:23 4/5 on grass for the 1 1/2 mile. Give him 15 seconds for each furlong and his time would have been 3:23 4/5 for 2 miles.
@RuffianQueenOfRacing In the Marlboro Cup Secretariat carried 124 lbs. Riva Ridge carried 126. Daily Racing Forum said Secretariat was 7 lbs better. Ran a time in 1:57 4/5 pulling up at the 1 1/4 post. 9 lbs is the correct weight for age difference. It is easy to see Secretariat could have carried 136 lbs and beat Phar Lap at any distance with Phar Lap carrying only 129 lbs.