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Full highlights of Hungary's Aron Szilagyi's Gold medal win against Italy's Diego Occhiuzzi in the Men's Fencing Sabre at the London 2012 Olympic Games.
Fencing was included for the first time at the 1896 Games in Athens, and has remained on the Olympic programme since then. The women's fencing competition entered the Games in 1924 in Paris. Today, men and women compete in individual and team events, in which three types of weapon are used: foil, epee and sabre. The foil was, at first, the only weapon used by women, until the 1996 Games in Atlanta, when women's epee was introduced. Women's sabre appeared for the first time on the Olympic programme in Athens in 2004.
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Italy vs Horizontal Italy
More like Hungary vs Vertical Hungary.
Vertical Hungary vs Horizontal Italy
ireland with too much colour in gold
ItalY vs ItalX
I love this reply section...
Fencing: The Art of Poking your opponent before he pokes you
eh, more of flailing as your tv antenna waves about for a lucky hit. They can't even block as the tip just bends to hit them anyway.
Just like all battles
@wowalinbie but if you cut your opponents sword hand first, he'll drop the sword, right?
@wowalinbie are they? maybe knife fights, as the blade is usually quite small, but surley if you got cut in the hand with sword or sabre, it would damage your nerves and tendons?
and even with knives ive seen videos of people going down after just one stab
@@wilhelmu I'm no professional, but I'd say that being hit in the hand is unlikely when using a sabre because of the guard
So this is why Bruce Lee studied fencing and incorporated it into his footwork and martial arts. The way they fencers close in a gap to reach there opponent is really amazing to watch!
there is no defense.... basically, you fight like that. you die
the same is true if you are capable of landing a strike you could defeat your foe.
If you learn to endure failing (not die) then you become stronger.
Moinul Alam
What if they both impale each other at the same time?
*jukijunk,* I incorporate Fencer's advances in footwork to my Boxing.
It closes the gap so fast!
I use the Jab as my sword thrust.
@Pawel Andonis It would depend who had the right of way - who attacked first. Every pause or parry shifts the right of way to the other. It's slightly confusing concept in Fencing.
I’m very happy to see the kind of sportsmanship these two athletes displayed. From my untrained eye, I can see a lot of respect between them.
Yes. Fencers have a large amount of respect for each other as it’s such a difficult sport. These two would’ve trained most of their lives to get to where they are. It takes a lot of time, sweat and tears just like any sport but fencing is also a mind game. This is not an easy sport (especially Sabre, which they are fencing as it’s much faster) this is one of the reasons Hungary was concerned when the Italian fencers foot played up. That could’ve completely ruined his chances at what he’s spent his whole life working towarfs
It’s the rules in fencing to show respect to your opponent, even if you lose, that’s why we salute our blades at the beginning and end of each round.
how do you do that i just bow and shake hands with my oppenent
@@typhoontheseawing1556 raise your sword to the opponent, then the ref, then the floor, and then cross your blades
@@typhoontheseawing1556 point your blade up towards your opponent, too your face ,too the ground the back to your face.
This seems like it'd be incredibly difficult to judge before all of the convenient electrical components were invented
Nah, they had red chalk to see who hit first (it was a little flawed though)
I’m pretty sure that before all of this equipment you would judge by who stays alive
@@sultanalshamsi7629 whoever bleeds less wins lmao
It's still pretty complicated even with the electric, since the ref has to call out the moves with the hand signals in order, and also especially for Sabre as the ref the have to listen to which area the blade hits.
“We’ll settle this the old Navy way. First one to die loses.”
quarantine has got me watching fencing
Same
Quarantine has got me doing fencing
Quarantine got me doing hema
steven universe got me into swords which got me watching fencing
Same but 11 months later
I've never watched fencing before but I found this exciting to watch. The mind games make it really unique and their agility and reaction time is insane.
Try watching epee if you like that (;
Why i like for honour in the beta
@@totproductions2871 Yes, epee is the best
How is it
Reminder of a comment you made 8 years before
For those who do not know: They are using a saber, meaning that to win, they must touch the opponent above the waist. There are two other types of sword: épeé (you can touch any part of the opponents body) and foil (you can only touch the chest. usually foil is the type of sword everyone thinks about when asked what fencing is, it is kind of the classic)
Gloves ✔
Mask✔
Don't get too close✔
The covid sport.
Yes! (I also do fencing by the way)
verdade
@@raniyahkhan samee
lol
I do fencing, and it really does work well for covid, the only issues are that wearing two masks is REALLY WARM and it's an indoor sport
i can't even tell whats going on
David Ashton you need to quiet down. This isn’t a sport where you kill each other it’s FENCING. So shut up since you clearly know nothing about fencing. “Shouldn’t even be a sport” be quite you child and grow up
Szilagyi just flexing on his opponent
trust me Saber is much easier to judge than foil. Basically, whoever initiates the attack has the "Priority". If they hit each other at the same time whoever has the priority gets the point. If the fencer has the priority miss then his opponent gains the priority. The fencer does have the priority can gain priority by "Parry", that is, beating their opponent's weapon.
@Char Char Binks lol, nice try
If you have trouble seeing this you should start off watching visualized fencing and once you train your eyes to see what’s going on you should go back
Everything in Fencing is soooooooo fast
Which is why it's one of the most fun sports at the Olympics.
+Ash Ketchum it's kinda boring
No, only in Sabre. If you watch an Epeee. it is quite slow
sabre is the fastest of the three
@@noahjohnson932 it may seem like simple hyper fast blade clashing, but fencing actually involves a lot of thinking and prediction to such an extend, that it doesn't even count as a fighting, but a thinking sport. at least that's what my trainer used to tell me.
I feel bad for the Italian guy, he was really going for it but the Hungarian guy had such precise strikes, would have been nice to see him parry them
i feel bad because of all the slander he's coping from the italians in the background. he needs to parry envelopment faster because that's what really getting him, I think he's using a bit too much wrist and needs to work more on finger speed. but otherwise occhiuzzi did pretty well. and silver is still a massive feat, especially against the hungarians, because the hungarians play feirce
This was not nearly as entertaining to watch as I had hoped it would be.
it's probably because it only lasts for a second. I understand how incessant that one second should be. Every little action can mean win or lose and it all happens in such a short time but it's not entertaining. It's not as theatrical or dramatic. Emotions need build up and we want to be left wondering who will win or lose as the fight goes on.
CrazyRandomLord
Pretty much lol - this is all about precision and "points" which I've never really cared for when it comes to fights. It's like when I used to take martial arts and we would do point fighting and "break" after a successful strike was landed anywhere - even if the strike didn't hurt me at all. I would much rather see actual dueling at the Olympics that incorporates other traits besides just precision, such as fortitude, but I realize this would make it harder to judge and therefore more difficult to declare a "winner".
I just think it would be much more entertaining if it were done like boxing where they simply went at each other for a certain amount of time until the round ended.
Foil is a bit more interesting to watch, as bouts aren't over so quickly. Also, lower level fencing tends to be more entertaining to watch, because it's slow enough that you can tell what's going on and it's more often clear why an attack succeeded or failed.
Exactly. I dropped fencing for that reason. It's not enterntaining nor theartric. It's tedius. I wanted to learn Inigo Montoya's fencing and Zorro's. Not this. I sould immature, maybe so but that's what i watche as a kid and that was what i wanted to learn.
magicscreenman Fortitude used to be a part before electric stuff, but only incidentally. You really had to hit hard to make sure that the ref heard/saw you hit.
I hope japan would make a sports anime based on fencing...with all the drama and the epicness...
TT Kim YOOO DO U KNOW FOR HOW LONG I HAVE BEEN WISHING FOR THIS ?!?! Thank you 🙏 I don’t feel alone
Maybe but I don't think It will work out
Yes please
There is a manga called duel
That would be horrible and cringy
Experts, experts' everywhere
Most people are just saying what they see. Most people came to see a sword fight and were massively disappointed lol
@@PoliticallyAffiliated People whatched Zorro once and are like ''this isnt real fencing''
Garcia says you and your friend.
What you have to realize is that fencing is a sport not a battle, the point is to be smarter and faster then your opponent
Insert buzz light-year pointing meme
Szilagyi is so talented - it was clear from the very beginning that he would win (aside from the title lol) 👍🏻 he is a big inspiration
He just steamrolled Diego.
@@samsignorelli yup...
You gotta love the hungarian fencers, they are like no other nations out there in terms of their technique (respect of course to Italy, Russia and Korea and so on). Especially Szilagyi here, fantastic technique and timing.
Borsody, Laszlo reinvented saber. After WWII, Russia dragged the Hungarian masters to USSR to teach.
@@scrunchymacscruff1244 no wonder why the greatest fencer of all time is Hungarian no? I think his name was Aladar or something similar
@@samuraidom6542 Maestro Marki knew Borsody. Marki, Ferenc: Fen-seengh! eet is not jumping on thee tables and..sv-vin-ging from thee chandaliers! Spoken in the gymnasium at San Francisco State College, 1977
Russia dragged all the fencing masters in Hungary back to Russia when it sealed the borders in 1945
@@samuraidom6542 I guess you mean Aladár Gervich
I'm trying so hard to see the points he scored and i can't, i need to watch more fencing, this sport looks amazing
I'm sorely disappointed. What kind of Olympic piste doesn't have a single chandelier in sight? How will the fencers swing about?!
At least put an overly-stylized Medieval staircase in there!
haha This comment made my day! Thanks man!
@@bladesocietyyou’re welcome
And he won again in Tokyo 3 time olimpic champion incredible
OMG i've been a fencer for years and these comments are so wierd
+Nathan Milgram well, even with all the parries, the fact that after the first hit everything doesn't matter, there's a lot of double hits, I think it would be more enjoyable to watch if each point was like 3-5 hits without reset, that would make it longer and less of an "I hit you first" game.
Manaquri you say the one that hits first know the rules before saying there should be changes
Long time fencer here, you're wasting effort on people who more likely than not have never tried any kind of fencing and make their judgments based off of how much like a "real" sword an object looks with no regard for the fact that getting hit with a stiff blade would snap it or give you one heck of a bruise, as if these things were just arbitrary decisions.
I've also been a fencer for years it is weird! Nothing about wooden boards or how to put them up between your house and neighbors.
Ikr
What INCREDIBLE speed, agility and nimble footwork! AMAZING!! What skill!! What explosive fierceness, power and attacking prowess. Great job, each of them. For that is a sport that I believe I could have excelled in 20 years ago, while I believe that my sweet faced and beautiful dream girl could have gone very far as well, nimble, quick, powerful, athletic, graceful and smart as she is. Awesome stuff!!
amazing game ,honestly thought beacuse im too used to movie sword fights that it was gonna be longer but seeing and appreciating the speed and furousity of their movements was really entertaining
Now consider that they also are equals in that field, so, how does one win over the other? Well the answer is being smarter. They trick each other into positions were they can touch that is how you win in high levels and most the time you have to make snap judgments during the bout as well as having a general plan for the whole bout. Think bout that (;
@@totproductions2871 except it looks like it is pure speed matter, they both just instantly attack hoping to be first to hit. No tactics, no planning.
I’m sorry I’m not going to try and convince you of this but that’s objectively wrong, you do that in a bout, good luck
@@totproductions2871 its getting spicy up in here
Christ you people. Look at how god damn fast they are going. I want to see any of you who claim fencing is boring to have reflexes as lightning-quick as these guys
Also, I wish there were fencing schools around here
Fencing is boring when its shown from different angles, but here its a stable camera, so its realy interesting
Well, it is a tad boring in the sense that in fencing in general most advanced techniques are thrown out of the window, in that you get a point for striking an opponent in the correct way even a few milliseconds before they strike you. It really turns it into a over hyped game of electrical tag.
That being said, in this particular match, I enjoyed the relatively greater amount of tactics on display.
pjnlsn A coach always told me that most of the time the final point is a simple action... or direct attack, something like that. Simple.
It's boring because they Just go at each other without care about striking and NOT getting hit. So yeah it's very boring.
Tyler Lalonde
Then watch EPEE and then come back crying to me about "boring."
the way i got interested in fencing after "twenty five twenty one"
just stopped watching the episode where heedo has wins her first match against yurim to come watch this bc now im interested 😭😂
POV: you're watching this after seeing Twenty-five Twenty-one
Who's here because of Twenty Five Twenty One?
I thought I was just an addict in kdrama HAHAHAHAHA
To everyone who says fencing is boring:
Here's something to consider, with all of your preconceived notions that fencing is simply "sword fighting" such as that in movies, it's not. Take it or not, fencing is far more intricate than swinging around a heavy sword in an attempt to look cool.
In the real world, spinning around would simply waste time if you'd want to make a hit, doing back and front flips and dangerous stunts like in Pirates of the Caribbean (no hate, I love and watched all the movies) would be confusing and make you lose accuracy.
Now, onto the real deal. Fencing is my favorite sport. I've tried a variety of different sports: swimming, ice skating, golf, table tennis, karate, dance, etc. However, fencing is what stuck with me for over 5 years.
It requires both athleticism and intelligence.
Obviously, speed, agility, reaction time, flexibility, strength are all parts of being good in fencing, it's what makes the sport a sport. When you're actually under the mask, it's exhilarating and invokes feelings of anticipation, fear, yet excitement all together.
But then when we look at the intelligence point of view, we can see fencing isn't just a few moves randomly tossed together. We analyze our opponents on the spot and through their patterns and moves, we deduct which strategies we should use and which we should avoid. This is crucial. I have lost plenty of bouts where in a technical standpoint, I was far better experienced with my moves, and should have won, however, the strategy I used simply clashed with theirs, causing me to lose a bout.
It's both a body and mind game. Think physical chess. Fencing was not meant to look aesthetic. It was meant to exercise the mind, strengthen the body, and in combining these two components together, it truly transforms into such an enticing and lovely experience.
I respect all other sports, and everyone has different opinions. But personally, fencing asks for it all. It's not just who's the most elegant, the strongest, the fastest, the smartest, it's a combination of all of these elements.
Fencing is a huge passion of mine, the more you understand and participate in the sport, the more you like it. It's a fact. So don't disregard it due to some unrealistic misconceptions, look at the fencer's point of view.
It's always those stupid people who doesn't know the difference between fencing and sword fighting and gets disappointed when there's no swords.
Thank. You. People seem to forget this is a sport, they see swords and expect the fights in movies and games. I’ve fenced for 5 years and love the sport so it hurts to see people mis understand it and brush it out of their mind because they just don’t understand what they are actually watching
I'd hesitate to compare sport fencing to actual sword fighting. Sport fencing is just a game of tag where the goal is to brush your opponent with a metal stick(that resembles a sword somewhat to varying degrees depending on the specific style of fencing) a tenth of a second before your opponent hits you. Sport fencing started out as almost identical to actual military duels, just without the injuring or killing your opponent, and since it started it has gone further and further from that. By this point, it has become so demilitarized and sporterized that it has lost the appeal it once had, both for spectators and many actual fencers(or prospective fencers).
While it is true that actual sword duels are not as flashy or spectacular as often depicted, it would be wrong to say that sport fencing is any closer to reality. The closest approximation of actual swordfights around today are HEMA tournaments, which are fencing tournaments with the express purpose of trying to emulate the real thing as close as possible with the historical information we have.
@d R Also, technical moves are a part of fencing, you just don't get points for it.
wow nice comment!
This is like Junior Dos Santos boxing
Lemme give you a comment after 7 years
@@markuspl4y let me second that
@@chill4573 lemme third that
@@Sir.M33z 4thing
Wassup fam?
Twenty five twenty one really got me watch fencing videos tho- ngl
I know its for safety purposes, and weight, but the blades being so wobbly seems to create quite a weird strategy, they're not having a sword fight, they're waving their blades and dodging hoping that the smallest part of their sword hits their opponent and triggers a sensor.
It’s not really for safety so much so as the natural evolution of cheesing the rules. For more realism, you can look to HEMA (look up Martin Fabian’s sparring videos for longsword-or Academy of Historical Fencing’s Nick Thomas for sabre or smallsword (foil’s historical counterpart)). But what we see in MOF is just what happens to anything that becomes an olympic/mainstream combat sport. E.g. taekwondo now vs power era, karate as it’s going, judo, kendo to an extent
Do épée and foil weapons bend as much?
@@bellahu5331 foils more, they are like a wet noodle (as someone who's fenced for 10 years: this match got me to start it lol). epees less but still able to flick it with some practice
🇨🇦❤️ As a Szilagyi in Canada, who has a daughter that just started fencing, this was great fun to watch.
What ever happened to the "defence" part of fencing?
+Noah Weisbrod It happened went away when people started to have a death-wish
+blubber boy when people started using straws instead of swords.
+Noah Weisbrod those guys surely has a lot of lives. Oh wait, but this is.... not a video game?!
What, I thought that lizard people where the only infiltrators, but now you are telling me that there is hyper-cats. I need the rethink my life now.
+Noah Weisbrod I suppose, the problem is, that producing a double has no downside. The
chances of producing a double are probably higher, than the chances of
actually defending against an attack. So it is the better defence
against the other person scoring, to just hit him. within the context of
a turnament you could actually fix that. In the way, that getting hit
gives you disadvateges for the turnament. For example: you get plus one
point for placing a hit, but minus two taking one. ( a double would in
that logic give both fighters -1 point) in the and the one with the most
points wins the turnament.
Fencing is such a beautiful sport. I love doing it and I love watching it. I can't believe I have friends that claim it's easy; it's a very complicated and challenging sport, a battle of wits -- physical chess.
I do fencing as a hobby but it's with the larger historical style rapiers.
One time I got the chance to spar against someone who'd had a few years of Olympic style fencing training under their belt. It was absolutely terrifying. They were completely suicidal and rushed at me no matter how much I tried to threaten them. I learned later that this was because of the electric score keeping system where all you need to do is land the blow a fraction of a second before the other guy. It took a few simo-kills for them to realize that that tactic doesn't work in the SCA very well. Still, now I get nervous when fighting against anyone with an Olympic fencing background because I know that if they die, they're taking me with them.
Oh I miss being in the SCA! I always wanted to learn how to fight but was too young at the time. Now I'm on my own I don't have the time or money to participate, but I hope to rejoin when I'm older! I still do archery sometimes though!
@@kaileealtman9630
A lot of groups have loaner gear and weapons for new fighters that can't afford their own yet. Also you can go there in garb and just hang out and talk to people. I see the older members do that all the time.
I’d have to imagine the fencer you describe isn’t very good, since the kamikaze strategy is only remotely viable in saber and awful in the other two weapons. Someone that has watched epee or foil for 30 seconds would know this.
POV you’re here cus of twenty five twenty one
Me too
Exactly why I am here now lol
Nice try but I'm here because of Star Wars
well i actually kinda started fencing because of it lol so im here for two reasons
Same😭
I just started foil fencing and I see this with a new perspective. When you are fencing your animal instincts come in, and it takes a lot of training to do appropriate parry-riposte sequences like these guys. The fencing does look a bit different than what we expect from movies, but remember it is a sport. Just like Olympic wrestling, you are trying to pin the person and score points instead of "simulated killing" the opponent. Just like any sport, people do whatever they can win within the rules, just like all the extra fouling that goes on in the NBA near the end of the game.
Typically, people are attracted to fencing initially because it's mimicking sword fights, then they start to understand the intricacy and brilliance of the mind game and skill aspect of the game. But it took me 2 years of training to enjoy the Olympic level of sabre fencing(at first I can only see what's happening through slow motion, then my eyes can follow their moves), so it makes sense that ordinary audiences are disappointed since fencing is not a real fight.
Pov : you watched twentyfivetwentyone
Not me watching this after the kdrama twenty five twenty 1 💀
Me too
Congratulations from Poland!
The people on here complaining about it being boring are probably the same people who think NFL is exciting, even though in average football game the ball is only in play for a total of 11 minutes.
This is boring cause it’s the same 1.5 seconds... over and over.. and over and over... and over... and over... and over again... just replay the same 1.5 second match over again and you wouldn’t kno the difference... def not a sport(is this even a sport?) that attracts new fans..
@@PoliticallyAffiliated I mean this wasn't as exciting as I had hoped for sure but you clearly did not pay any real attention if you think this was a similar 1.5 seconds over and over. Many different techniques and stuff
@@matthewcollier3482 i think its more reaction then technique lol our sword fighters of today, would get their heads chopped of in a second, by a sword fighter from the past. Imo only lol
NFL is definitely more exciting
Darth Revan yeah but no, both of them are very interesting to watch. The things they can do are amazing.
ive never seen real fencing before, not sure what im watching, im going to a training video now
+C3PO's Bottom Bit This isn't "Combat" fencing even though they are similar. This is sport fencing
This is real fencing. HEMA is fat people pretending they lived in the middle ages.
Big shout to them who are here after watching (twenty five twenty one) drama ❤
That 8-1 killed it. Fun to watch.
I was reffed by this ref once. A real honor to be reffed by Ivan Lee
here because of 2521 🙋
I'm here after watching 21 25 to check if they scream after every touche.
Lollll
This match gave me wants to practice this awesome sport
Как успехи
The way the both of them are respecting each other and staying calm. I wish all the athletes had this in them
Aight The who's here because of "twenty five twenty one"?
Some beautiful points here, on both sides. Congrats to the victor.
Fencing has been in the modern olympics since the very first, hence fencing is one of the sports that defines "olympic sport"!!
POV: Your watching this bcs of 2521
Twenty-Five Twenty-One brought me here.
Me too, I also just finished Twenty Five Twenty One today, and it's gonna be a while till I recover...
@@gustaleblanc I know how it feels, bro.
i’m here because of twenty five twenty one
Lmao bro these guys could slice us up in seconds
Who is here after Twenty five twenty one?
I watched this because I wanted to see how it differed from historical fencing and it looks extremely different. They don’t care about doubles, the swords are so floppy that I do t even think you can block it, the back foot is at a 90° angle rather than 45°, and the protective equipment is completely different. It’s interesting to see how two sports that are similar differ
You are able to parry them you just need to take a deeper parry (coming from an actual sabre fencer)
@@hxpocritical7108 yes, but the parries are still harder to pull off and still different
Im here because of twenty five twenty one
Right now I’m more interested in getting into archery but after watching this vid and looking at comments I would totally try fencing in the future. Seems so cool
Have you tried it yet??? Try it!!!! I’m trying to learn both and they are amazing!!!!
Aron Szilagyi has precision and agility no wonder he has so much hit streaks
Im here after watching twenty five twenty one kdrama
People in the comments talking about fencing like it should be 'traditional' sword fighting? What the heck do you want? Them to fight to the death? Fencing is a fighting sport yes but most sports I know involve rules and technique and not fighting to the death
+reallytall midget No, the rules should be completely changed though. They should think of a way to make it where the blows do not count unless they are stabbed somewhere vital. a SLASH shouldn't count as a win. This just causes people to suicide lunge, which in real life, would get YOU killed in the process.
+BushBumper some of the duels in the olden days were to first blood, meaning any hit anywhere is a victory. I think that is a better idea for what modern duels should be than duels to the death.
+reallytall midget They should be able to choose their weapon, like battleaxe vs. knife, and its the first person to have a vital organ damaged.
Pork Dude well then that wouldnt be fencing it'd be a completely different sport...
+reallytall midget Well, they could at least be on horseback...
so many people upset because it doesn't look like the sword play they see in movies. And not understanding that of course it can't be like real sword play because people don't bleed, and is the evolution of 100+ years of trying to make rules that work. Of course the participants are trying to win under the rules using their skills. And people, not understanding what they see because it's too fast thinking there's no skill. I am sad for most of these people. If you don't like it, that's totally fair. But most critiques I read from people were way off target.
Exactly. People are just bullshitting without understanding the game itself. And as someone who plays fencing, I find that annoying af.
Most of the comments that I've seen have legitimate criticisms...maybe you're seeing different criticisms than I am, but I keep seeing people pointing out the sheer number of double kills, the polite touch nature of the attacks, the overly whippy blades, and the suicidal way they rocket towards each other.
Take the first attack Szilagyi hits, it's a prissy little chop to other guy's arm that would probably get tangled up in clothing and then leaves himself open to a counter cut from his opponent...admittedly the opponent uses the false "edge" of his car aerial to hit him, and to my knowledge, most sabres only ever had a single edge...but off of a backsword or something with an actual false edge that could have been really bad. And the second cut barely even grazes the Italian's arm...if they had more rigid blades it probably wouldn't have even hit.
Of course, people complaining that it doesn't look like something from a movie are being ridiculous, but stating that it can't be like real sword play because you don't want people to die is almost equally ridiculous...for starters they could start using more rigid blades that more accurately represent a historical saber and they could change the arena to a circle or square and allow for lateral movement, and they could extend the amount of time for right of way to lessen the amount of doubles that they score, and they could tighten up the regulations for what constitutes a point from any hit on a location to a meaningful hit on a location.
But that's the thing, people are comparing this with historical martial fencing. This is not martial fencing, it's sport fencing. People are expecting them to play with wounding swords (the fencing swords used in competitive environments do harm the players if not handled carefully) in a tournament when it was banned during classical times as well. And not to mention it does resemble historical fencing lots of times as well especially in foil and epee events.
Non-electrical sabers are the same as electrical Sabre though, what do you mean? Sabre doesn't require electrical wire to record touches like the other two swords. Also I don't understand what you meant by "extend the amount of time for right of way" as there's no limit in time on how it is determined. It basically just rests on who is attacking legally and who is countering after a failed attack. And Sabre does limit the target area to the upper body but for a particular target area you could always watch Foil, which resembles the historical fencing more than Sabre. The point which annoyed me was people were complaining about people this being way too offensive and fast which made it boring. I mean they are in a Sabre match, where offence is valued over defence, what did they expect? Some of them even made connotations that they are just lunging without any form of technique, without seeing the techniques they are using like the footwork, precision and the amount of parries. I agree though they could create a more arbitrary area for them to bout than just a narrow rectangular area though. They could also make the sword more stiff like foil or epee.
Ok let's cover this in dot point form.
1st point) A lot of the criticism is coming from people who would
rather see fencing from a more martial perspective rather than modern
sports fencing. People don't want them to play with "wounding swords" very few people would want to see people actually cut each other to pieces, but a more accurate representation of the weapons they are meant to be using would be nice: For example, the sabres being used in the match are whippy, bendy and straight...sabres are non of those things, they are curved and rigid.
2nd point) It only barely resembles historical fencing. If you watch historical sabre fights there is much more defence, people sit into their stances a lot more, they tend to use a 3 dimensional area (a square, or a circle), they don't flick their blades around like wobble boards cause you can't actually do that with blunt sabres.
3rd point) whether the sabre is electronic or not is irrelevant...the issue with the "sabres" that they're using is that they resemble a 90s tv antenna more than an actual sabre.
4th point) I was under the impression that with the right of way rule there is a certain window of time where if you hit each other it counts as a double, but if you're outside that time then the second hit doesn't and that this time was really short like 2/10ths of a second or something. So I'm not sure how they determine who is attacking and countering legally, because looking at the close ups and replays both of them are hitting each other with very similar hits in a very small window of time. The time between the two hits is so small that in a real sword fight they would both get stabbed and yet one person scores a point...I fail to see the benefit in a rule that encourages you to hurl yourself at an opponent and die a half second after they do.
5th point) Offence should not be prioritised over defence, stabbing someone half a second before they stab you is practically pointless, a hit should only be counted if it's clean. And a good offence should keep your opponent from hitting you while you hit them, not resulting in you hitting them half a second before they hit you.
I study 14th century longsword, so I'm coming at this from a very different perspective.
I think one of the best ways to illustrate the difference is to look at the gear that we use.
Apparently the max weight for a modern sports fencing sabre is 500g
Whereas looking at some of the sabres made for HEMA sabre practitioners they tend to range from 700-900g and they have a blade that is much more similar to that found on a historical sabre: curved and rigid, as opposed to straight and whippy...I'm not actually a historical sabre fencer, so I could be wrong on my info, but from the perspective of medieval longsword I feel pretty secure in my criticisms.
Emmanuel Vitulano I know they are coming from that perspective which is why I mention it's a moot comparison since it's not the same sport. Modern fencing was derived from HEMA but it's not the same. It's like people expecting classical composition in modern pop music.
I already agreed the weapon could be more stiff and rigid. The Epee I use is also bendy, but that works in cases as well when I use it to flick at the opponent's swords. Infact lots of fencers use such moves in this sport. The fencing swords we use are made of malleable metal to improve safety, hence why it's more wobbly than stiff. There was an incident at the Olympics in the 80s or 90s which is why safety was made the first priority. But it still does actual harm if not careful, even though the gear we wear blocks penetration sometimes in the mood of the situation where the force is more we do end up with bruises and scars, so we don't recklessly lunge at each other. Not to mention we lose points and the match if we do that.
Right of way in Sabre is similar to the RoW in foil. It's used to determine when the lights both turn on during exchange, but there's no time limit to its determination. RoW allows referee to give the point to the fencer who was attacking whether active or passive. The former comprises of when the attacker is on the offence, while the latter comprises of counter attacks before the opponent attacks or counters to failed parries. Referee can give neither the point as well if neither has RoW. RoW makes players use more parries than double touches, it does not encourage you to hurl yourself at each other as you can get RoW if you successfully parry attacks whereas you lose RoW (and won't score) if you recklessly hurl yourself at your opponent. But sloppy fencers do end up with lots of double touches. Aron is not a sloppy Sabre fencer, just watch the last night's match he won most of his points using parries.
Offence is prioritised in Sabre because you can score even with the edge of the blade and not just the tip hence, it often forces players to strike opponents with the blade as well and not just thrust the weapon. But it doesn't mean defence is ignored entirely. Sabre can be played well defensively as well as most forms of parries can be used to quickly block past the opponent's attacks and steal RoW (and just from my experience the coaches here advice people to use more parries in matches), infact many offensive techniques are banned in competitive environment (like the infamous fleche). Not to mention, like aforementioned above RoW makes player use more parries than not, so more or less the competitive environment in Sabre is balanced and not just offence based. Also the "resulting in you hitting them half a second before they hit you" is mainly because of the pace of the match, some players end up thrusting back even after getting hit due to the speed at which the bouts paces itself.
Which is why there's a barrier. People cannot expect HEMA styles from a different sport and vice versa. You coming from a different HEMA perspective is fine and I understand, but HEMA fencing and modern fencing is not the same even if derived from the same origin. One has developed & evolved to sport where players compete to win 15 points whereas the other was developed for practical usage by the military.
From watching a sport of world tag, that I didn’t know it existed, to this, youtube will surely recommend me tons of new sport.
Absolute favourite moment was 1:36 its so fluid and effortless.
This is actually pretty exciting. The guys (especially the Hungarian) are actually using tactics and defensive moves.
I had low expectations, though. (especially given Sabre style)
The single most unrealistic thing about fencing is how you get no points for striking an opponent a few milliseconds after you are struck. In real life, this would cause both people to die. Both players should get points, or none.
The reason why real sword techniques are difficult to master is you always have to wound your opponent *without* getting wounded yourself. That is almost the sole reason for the complexity of techniques, and is also what makes swordfighting a potential art form/true sport.
I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of parrying seen here, but still, fencing in general seems to have devolved into electrical tag.
Maybe you should watch epee, sabre and foil work this way with right of way and all but in epee everywhere is target and double touches are possible.
oh no, IT'S A FOIL FENCER
The strikes are potentially fatal. But for the sake of simply observing skill, we use foil, epee, sabre and proper body armor. Sparring in general is all about respect and display of skill without hurting each other. An intelligent way to display your deadly abilities in a civilized way. So now, watch the video again with that in mind and you'll see how amazing it is. :)
As someone who does sabre I find this very fun to watch.
Though they fight fiercely, they express a very high amount of sportsmanship.
2521 brought me here
there is so much ignorance in these comments it makes me want to scream
+British Fencer As a fellow fencer (of saber I presume) I can assure you that you are not alone.
+Asa Goldsmith I know your sport is technically called fencing but you aren't really fencing at all. It is literally supposed to be swordsmanship and if those blades were sharp they would both be dead
hallowedfool It is a sport that has evolved over hundreds of years. And the blades are not sharp so why should we treat them like they are.
Asa Goldsmith
That's my point. I have nothing against it as a sport but a sport is all it is, pure and simple. Calling the sport fencing implies that it is something that it has not been for an extremely long time
Caramel Johnson I could say the same thing about something like baseball. You're just hitting a ball and running in circles, how could that require skill?
2521 anyone?
Y’all read the rules of Sabre before watching. Fencing is a sport it has rules it’s not like a real life sword fight.
It looked way fancier in 25 21😬 Na Hee Do❣️
only interested in fencing since I’ve started watching the kdrama, twenty-five twenty-one 😅♥️
Here watching beacaue of twenty five twenty one
25 21 brought me here lmao
Im here after 2521
Who is here after k drama "twenty five twenty one "?
The high speed of sport sabre is due to feather weight weapons. Around 400 grams for a competition sabre. Also, most of that weight is in the guard & grip. The blades, as you can see, are thin & whippy. This allows for quick manipulation of the weapon with just the wrist & fingers. A practice rapier or side sword weighs between 1000 - 1400 grams. Big difference in handling.
Even in slow motion I can't keep track of what's going on! :D
Thank to 25 21
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It's soo beautiful to se it once and over again :)
Two things I love to watch: ballet and fencing.
I learned fencing before and it was fun and i am still learning it
Here from 2521
I wish single stick was still a Olympic sport nothing like the fear of being whacked with a stick to make you appreciate defense
Kendo? it can be brought into olympics
watch epee fencing instead, its a more defensive than this
@@hitoshishinso1560 epee is still glorified tag
@@joseignaciohileradorna5122 To be fair though, epee was always tag, even in the martial aspect. Foil was the military form of rapier combat, sabre was mounted combat, but epee was modeled after first blood dueling in civil society. Electric scoring eliminated a lot of technique from the first two in terms of timing, right of way, and insufficient attacks through parries which removed them from being martial sports. Epee allowed for simultaneous touches, never had an off target area to stop the action, and emphasized hand hits as an extension of legitimate technique. Electric scoring actually improved epee.
Andrew Blair check out the SCA
I'm brand new at the sport. When I see the way they move, I am one part "NEED to learn more" and one part "LOOK, screw it, you'll never be that good..."
well, its been 7 years, im sure you can prove us otherwise by now!
Yo you still training now? Compete in the Olympics yet?
i'm watching this because i saw it in mgmt's video clip little dark ages, now it's playing over the top and suits it
such a beautiful fencing style. I think i'm gonna start again
The moves are lightning fast! I played it at .25x , still the moves seem fast. Wow!!!
Makes sense. Sabre is the fastest out of all the weapons in fencing
@@estellaborck6072 rapier?
Why did we not broadcast this on TV it was way more interesting to watch then half of what they did.
Where hee do and yu rim?!!
those arent real people
Thanks, Mark.
Thank you Steven
I'm a beginner at foil currently and these strikes are beautifully executed, I wish I could have half their skills when I train saber
+Feder Schwert yes it is. You don't want to fight for so long and the fastest strike of the 2 could kill a person. In a real sword fight would you rather have the fight be long or just end it in one fast fatal stab?
+Spinkicker It isn't because these guys would both be dead.
i was fencing as teenager in competitions , the psychological pressure is extreme
yeah im getting ready for nationals which is in a couple days and i am STRESSED
Jesus, they go so fast! I fence with the Ocean State Fencing Club, and I thought my coaches were fast!