This is true of many older properties. The people working on them didn’t create them and don’t have half the talent of the people that did so they are extremely bitter and basically vandalize the old work to make themselves feel better. See Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, D&D, etc…
This is basically the universal truth of all human endeavours. I usually use the video game industry to highlight this point because the cycle is so comically accelerated (usually around 5 years), but you can point at pretty much every kind of organization and see similar things. When people don't have skin in the game and don't personally sacrifice they tend not to appreciate or understand the thing they've been given. Even if they did, it's not at all uncommon that people forget the circumstances that a given idea or organization came about under, so they wind up corrupted anyways.
It's worse, they actively avoid hiring people with passion and integrity and respect for the setting. I've applied for jobs at GW, and every time I've always received "sorry but you don't represent our values"
It doesn't sucks, there's a whole bunch of people that do enjoy the hobby. It's a popular grift to keep on saying something sucks, there have been some dumb changes. But people like this dude will get more engagement if he keeps on this rethoric. It's not a perfect hobby, and gw has made a lot of blunders but don't let people like this discourage you buddy. Try to find a good community around you, and give it a try.
@@manuelelopez1982depends on part of the world we in eastern europe never were casual. And almost all games are played at stores. 8th to 10th is a slow decline in fun. 10th is worse the 7th. In 7th everyone was pissed, almost killed the game . But 10th is apathy. People quit, new people save for the few in to tournaments, don't exist. AoS died with new edition. Oddly enough the only system doing really well (understood as people having fun) is old world. 2ed HH lost a ton of steam after a huge start.
Don’t pay attention to them. It’s nonsense. And you can still buy the old hammer stuff. But what’s available now for starter boxes etc is light years ahead of what we had back in the day.
@piotrjeske4599 where do u get your stats from? Other grifters? People saying everything is dead? Stuff keeps on selling, i couldn't care less if people hates gw. Brands will be always hated, but the product weather you like it or not is being sold. And there are many tournaments and people playing. Like I said youtubers like north live off the hate towards gw because is popular. I like his videos but sometimes, it's just annoying to watch those "wh40k is dead" "gw did something".
And i hate the new GW stuff with a burning passion. But the thing is.. i can live on without their new stuff. I can use older books. I can 3d print models. They on the other hand cant really live without me and my money.
The people I now see saying they are "huge fans" of Warhammer 40k (getting off correcting everyone on the lore) are the same people who bullied me in the '90s for loving it.
happening in every kind of "hobby": manga-anime; board games; card games; minis games; video games; scify/fantasy books/series/movies; etc as some youtubers said: we didnt gatekeep, and we are being chased out of our hobbies/passions by "pop culture chasers", who doesnt enjoy it, but its the "current thing".
@AlexAlex-zt3hi that's a great point. Pop culture chasers, chasing "current thing" and then changing it to meet their own ideals, effectively ruining it altogether
Turns out I should have been a warhammer fanatic 10-15 years ago to get what I wanted out of the hobby. It’s the entire reason I started with World Eaters in 9th. I thought they would be the most fun and narratively fulfilling army to play since win or lose so long as I got some skulls Khorne would be pleased. I don’t like playing games that don’t make any sense lore wise, and I just do not take this game seriously as far as win rates and meta. Which is completely at odds with my personality because I am an extremely competitive person. I’ve been global elite on many many accounts and have done dozens and dozens of boosts. I’ve been grand master a couple of seasons in league of legends. Diamond in r6s, Multi Gladiator in WoW, top 10 on d2/d2r ladder, top 10 wizard in a couple of d3 seasons. The hobby is something completely different to me. The tabletop isn’t where I want to exercise my competitive spirt, it’s where I want to be silly, have fun with my toy soldiers and pretend there is a massive slaughter unfolding before me with tremendous consequences win or lose. I have always loved to paint. Painting my minis isn’t a chore it’s a privilege and arguably my favorite part. My second favorite part about the tabletop is simply showing off my work. I love it when someone stops over to take a closer look or ask how I pulled something off, I love it just as much when someone does something similar or even improves on my idea. That’s one great thing about painting minis, like all art it is never complete only abandoned. It also pains me that every fandom I flee to as a seeming refugee is hunted down by the woke inquisition and turned against me within a few years of becoming fully invested in it.
I just left the comic book scene last year, after collecting & selling comics for 30 years straight. It just got SO unbelievably woke & the companies were catering to vocal minorities that didn't even read the comics they complained about. Finally left when I discovered 40k. It was like comics except I had novels to read & I've always preferred reading novels anyways! So, I buried myself in the lore, got 560 Warhammer books loaded on my e-reader & plowed through them, & got into 3d printing to start pumping out armies & painting away. I was an artist prior, so I LOVE painting as well. & what was even cooler to me than comics, was I could take this interest & interact with people through the tabletop! I could interact with my hobby in a tangible way & it's just so awesome. It was like almost immediately after I got into it & fully invested myself in it that female custodes happened & the wokeness really started taking a hold on it. I wish I would've gotten into this instead of comics, 30 years ago. I hope Trump brings enough change that the community sorts itself out. I want this to be a quality community so bad.
I agree with the wanting to be casual on the tabletop. Everyone's different and everyone approaches games differently but the tabletop is where I like to let my hair down and not try to be meta and cutthroat. Meta lists in games like 40K or optimal internet strategies being mechnically executed in board games just leaves me cold. It's exhausting to be up against this when you just wanna have a laugh and roll a few dice, and it's not my vibe at all in these games.
I have finally hit my limit with GW. I ordered the Dark Angels box set when it was available, but during the waiting period my enthusiasm for 40k started to heavily wane. The expense of the models, coupled with the frustration I was having with the game was really getting to me. My order eventually arrived and I took a look at the set ($405.00 AUD) and just became depressed. I did know the price going into it, but now with Christmas here and other necessary responsibilities to take care of the cost was really hitting home. Normally I would be 'ok' with the prices, layby and then gradually pay it off when I could, but now I couldn't even get excited about the minis, and the thought of starting a new dark angels army sounded exhausting, both financially and the work involved to complete it. I recently even started getting into Kill Team, smaller squads, a more concentrated and shorter gaming experience. I really enjoyed it. But now, with the latest price releases for the upcoming expansions and mini sets, it's become very apparent that now this version of the hobby will also blow out and be super expensive to maintain. As a result of GW prices and the years of being very curious about 3D printing, I finally caved. I spent $654.00 AUD on a Mars 5 Ultra, a wash and curing station and two bottles of resin. I thought this was a pretty good deal for a Black Friday sale. It was an outlay, and one that I was nervous about, but all of a sudden I began to buzz with excitement just thinking about all the printing possibilities. I've been looking at trench crusade and chaplain helmets, alternative minis, terrain, toys and sculpts. Even my wife has been excited about the possibilities of making little signs for her garden, or making doll house furniture for our girls. $654.00 for endless possibilities, or $405.00 for an overpriced box of minis. It was finally apparent (albeit maybe a bit late) which way I should be going. GW and their pricing antics have finally driven me out, and forcibly I will add. Maybe I should blame you North, for me launching myself headfirst into 3D printing like the inexperienced git that I am. But I'm just gonna thank you instead.
This is how I have felt myself. Even here in the UK I feel like the prices are a joke, supply and demand issues insane, and the lore changes, even to older properties returning like Fantasy, leave me cold. I 3D print, but I also buy from companies that produce stuff that genuinely excites me. Lately that has been Burrows and Badgers of all things, as well as gunpla.
Come over to Malifaux. Cheaper crews, natural barriers to entry that curate a mature crowd, and a general spirit of competitive, good sporting silliness.
Honestly I think games workshop should focus on video games, they have enough lore and world building in Warhammer 40k, Warhammer fantasy and Warhammer age of sigmar to create massive video game series and franchises with and with popular videos games that could actually bring in more money than the mintutures it brings more people to the mintutures and wargaming side of the hobby. I think video games could easily be the most profitable part of Warhammer40k if they played their cards right, looks like people are hungry for more Games like Warhammer40k Space marine 2, rouge trader, and Boltgun, Warhammer40k has the same elements that made doom, halo, StarCraft and fallout popular
Couldn't agree more. The game doesn't feel the same anymore, and that makes me sad. I miss the days of the Badab War and the Siege of Vraks. The new stuff (lore/art/models) doesn't have any soul to it. The last bastion of my hobby lies with The Old World and HH2.
Heck I got into the series recently after the return of guilliman and primaries marines and I honestly think that badab war and siege of vraks is more interesting and better than the current narrative. I absolutely love the Horus heresy and primarchs but I think that Warhammer40k was better off without the Primarchs. Let the Horus heresy 30k be a half remember time of legends and mystery for the current narrative of Warhammer 40k only really know by Bjorn the fell handed, a few custodes and few chaos space marines who fought in those wars. I like that the imperium of man was incompetent and falling apart as they face the horrors of the galaxy before guilliman returned. Now it kinda feels like they are making Warhammer 40k into Horus heresy 2.0 and don't really know how to feel about that. Primaris marines just felt cheap a hundred thousand space marines popping up out of nowhere when the imperium of man was bearly managing to survive and maintain itself. Heck I could actually forgive the Primarchs like guilliman returning if we didn't just add a hundred thousand new space marines out of nowhere that apparently have better and more stable gene seeds on top of that making them somehow considered better than the firstborn space marines that have been fighting against the threat of xenos and chaos for 10 thousand years.
I do miss the customization. I got into 40knin 6th/7th edition. I still have my old guard Veterans converted to have carapace armor and shotguns. Doctrines for veterans was fun, and let my guard feel a little more elite.
ive been saying this for years. this is why trench crusade has blown up because its filling the void of grim dark brutality that GW abandoned back in 8th edition. i was telling my wife about this the other day, we were chatting while i was sitting at the computer and i was scrolling facebook as i was telling her that 40k now is like goofy soft edges marvel style story telling and humor and how its lost all the cool darkness that made it cool and i shit you not im not exaggerating in the slightest as im telling her this a video scrolls up on my feed and its a post form the official gw 40k page and its a cartoon clip of orks singing their version of jingle bells and i yell "THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT! HOLY SHIT! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS JUST TELLING YOU ABOUT" and we watched the clip and she was like yeah thats pretty lame
That single tweet took me out of the hobby. I'm a story guy that has 0 minis. If the lore is that unimportant, I'll see myself out to a better franchise to spend my money. I own over 100 books too. The horror stuff is peak.
I wish one day we get rules that are thematic and cool first, balanced second. I want that for 40k, mostly because there just isnt anyone around who plays anything but the current tournament rules. And because i want to use some of the newer units and models that came out later than the fun editions.
A game can be unbalanced and survive. A game will die if it is no longer entertaining. You can't win a wrestling match with dad, uncle, granddad etc but it is fun. Getting your shit kicked in by a dude two weight classes up is not. OP this or that is okey, as long as army X lets you play fun Y build. Being forced in to play the GW way, or litteraly not having lets say a bike army to play soon turns in to apathy.
Nah you've missed the mark here. GW is definitely moving to the E Sports model, but it is by no means suppressing the creativity of its customers. The crackdown on IP infringement, although unfortunate for fans, is a perfectly predictable response by a company with a fiduciary duty to its shareholders. As far as not supporting narrative, I just got back from the Grand Narrative in Atlanta, where GW goes to great lengths to create an immersive narrative experience, by which the fans have an active role in the lore of the setting. Armies were displayed and celebrated for exhibiting novelty and creativity - an entirely Tau-based Worldeater army comes to mind. They also produce several other games that are clearly not intended for competitive play (blood bowl and Necromunda for example). The codex perfection you seek is not possible when there is significant production lag between writing rules and the actual delivery of the book. The playtesters are human beings and they have limited time. When you release a rule book to hundreds of thousands of competitively minded players world wide, they WILL find things that were unexpected or unintended. GWs willingness, and lately eagerness, to address this in a formalized fashion is massively welcome for the competitive 40K scene, which btw is absolutely the money maker for GW, so they're doing well to nurture that environment. There is no one stoping or discouraging you from doing home brew or playing older editions. Narrative play and competitive play are not mutually exclusive, but competitive play DOES require a degree of realtime feedback and adjustment, which GW have massively improved in the last few years. You need only look at their stock price if you want to know if this was a good decision for them.
you say E-sports , I say professional tournament players 10th Ed. is the death "nell" of the game for the casual player British Pound has = $1.25 for years plus new Trump 25+% tariff is going to "F" over GW as 60% of their business model is in the US . US gets raped in mark up pricing . It is ( until Feb 25 ) actually cheaper to buy from a discount retailer in Britain and have it shipped to US , than buying from GW store in the US
Like many British businesses, GW seems to be pivoting to Asian markets with some success - I'm actually surprised the US share of their business is as low as 60%, and they're also increasingly in a position to trade on the IP and so avoid tariffs on physical products having as much impact as they would a few years ago. As far as it can be quantified the IP still seems to be a minor part of the market, and with the recent publicity about GW's entry to Britain's FTSE 100 there's no shortage of analysts commenting on it and pointing out that it's a rather unpredictable part of the business, but it seems to be growing and is at least a cushion of sorts especially if GW is able to leverage it to use American rather than European developers to produce games or shows based on the IP (such as Amazon). Finally, the tariffs Trump's threatening on European goods appear to be aimed at the European Union specifically rather than Europe as a continent - at least as some British politicians and business analysts are interpreting it, hopeful that they'll be able to leverage the fact that Trump likes the UK more than he likes the EU.
I've never seen a company hate their customer base so much. I've also never seen a company hate that these very customers would bring in others into the setting. Every time you talk about what corporate wants or thinks how things should be run, it legitimately ticks me off, because it's so devoid of humanity. I also find it ironic considering "humanity first and only" Space Marines are their poster boys. Maybe they'll be forced to turn the ship around, but this always seems to happen to companies when it's too late; I highly doubt they'd turn it around voluntarily. I'm just waiting for the day when this type of leadership and nonsense comes back and hurts them greatly. They really are the Disney of the boardgaming industry. Bleeding stones dry and ticking off their *customers,* not consumers. God, I hate corpo-rats.
I don't think that Games Workshop "Hates" what Old School 40k is. At least, not in the malicious sense. I think that it's like GRRM and A Song of Ice and Fire. They are absolutely sick and tired of 40k and they would much rather do something new like an Age of Sigmar in Space. Just like how GRRM, instead of writing the 6th book (which will never come out btw) worked on Elden Ring.
I don't understand complaints that 40k is 'becoming more like Age of Sigmar'. Age of Sigmar only exists at all because GW reinvented WFB to make it more similar to 40k, both in gameplay and in allowing them more leeway to make a high fantasy setting as 40k is, rather than being constrained by the 'low fantasy' nature of the Warhammer World (and after all 40k began as Warhammer in space). The influence has nearly always been in the other direction.
@philipbowles5397 My gripe is that instead of GW giving 40k the of Mice and Men treatment like they did with fantasy. They are doing the boiling frog effect to transform it into an Age of Sigmar in Space which harms the setting more in the long run more than an End Times could.
Honestly I think that is somehow even worse, I don't want Warhammer40k to become age of sigmar in space, I want Warhammer 40k, at least have Warhammer 40k end times and end the series with some level of respect and dignity to let the older and newer fans say goodbye to warhammer 40k instead of trying to make it age of sigmar in space.
@@shaneriggs6678 What do people mean by 'Age of Sigmar in space'? 40k began as Warhammer Fantasy in space, so there's obviously a lot of commonality between the basic races, but Age of Sigmar hasn't added anything to the setting- quite the reverse, new factions added to AoS have copied 40k. Most obviously Stormcast channelled Space Marines, and then mirrored the Primaris change with the Thunderstrike redesign. Lumineth took more of their background from the Eldar than the High Elves, and the Idoneth are essentially soggy Drukhari rather than traditional WFB Dark Elves.
You are correct again, unfortunately you and uncle Mordian are being correct about GW more and more often, maybe it's just a thing with us who started in 3rd edition.
This is one pf the only good 40k channels. You know what the soul of the hobby is. Your dudes fighting your friend's dudes and making up stories about it. The unbalanced rules make the battles FUN and SILLY.
I'm a Johnny Come Lately who got into 40K during lockdown. I've devoured lore, read some Black Library (not been impressed there, unfortunately) and painted up some models I'm really happy with. One of my early stumbling blocks, however, was the fact that games in stores weren't a thing anymore, I'll admit that was a bit of a '... what?' moment and it's a shame that the culture of bringing your big box in and finding an opponent on a gloomy winter afternoon for a gaming session has gone entirely. I never got to experience that and it just feels like the actual gaming side of the whole thing is intimidating to get into now. It's still something I keep meaning to give a go but haven't quite got there yet. I'm looking out for local events, groups and FLGS's but the experience of the bright-eyed and excited kid getting into it must be completely different in 2024 to 2004 and while as an adult I understand it from a business decision (it IS a shop and not a youth club after all) it is a shame there isn't such an easy way to get stuck in for newbies. It is quite disappointing to hear I'm getting into something when the veterans are quite down on it too, but it is what it is.
I got into Warhammer 40k and Fantasy back in 1988. I have fond memories of playing GW games with friends and family until around the late 90s. Now I find the Warhammer hobby too expensive and have moved on to Battletech, Heroquest, and a Old school D&D inspired system.
@dravengraves1995 I've not taken the plunge yet (I'm mid way through running a 5e 2014 campaign at the moment) but from my research they have classic and advanced versions that are pretty much 1st edition dnd and adnd respectively, but written out alot easier to follow with the kinks ironed out. Because lets be honest, the 3 core adnd books were a headache to navigate around 🤣 So my plan is to pick up the basic rules tome after my campaign ends, because dnd 2024 is.... Well... you know lol
I remember playing 5th and charging Necron Warriors into Carnifexes whilst screaming "forge the narrative." Also, having a single grot scare a riptide off the table cause the grot dealt 1 wound in close combat
Many of your points hit differently depending on ones preference BUT! I think we can all agree that the prices are just way too high, especially for models without a resculpt (hello GK and your rumoured no resculpt this edition). I literally ordered a printed 2000 points army for GK for the price of 1,5 GK combat patrol. And I'm not on the lower end of income - I just refuse to buy old models for premium prices. Warm regards to you Northern, a man of GK culture.
I just got into the hobby, and have my first models on the way, but the way you describe how this hobby used to be really makes me lament for a time a never got to experience. The lore is so deep and all it seems people care about now is what army is the most competitive. I’m gonna do my new hobby my own way, and tell stories with my games and hopefully meet people who feel the same.
I'm similar, got in with lockdown. It's been a lot different from my expectations. I rather naively thought I'd be able to just drop a load of money on models, a big carry case and live out the times everyone pines for where you bring your case into a Games Workshop and play a load of games on your day off. I'm just painting up my guys and looking into a local scene to dip into, but it feels less easy to roll up your sleeves and dive in compared to those shops being filled with people back in the noughties. I can see why people miss it.
First video of yours I've watched and you've definitely earned my subscription with it. I started my Warhammer 40k journey some four or so years ago and it's amazing how quickly things seem to have gone downhill for the narrative style of play you describe - markedly so with the release of 10th edition stripping a lot of the fluff out of the rules. Fortunately, the few friends I have that are in 40k seem inclined to stick to 9th, but I wish they had the 'Jake' mindset of narrative play rather than a more competitive 'Luke' style. Anyhow, cheers for the video, sir!
I have a feeling that game workshop is going to somehow end up shoot themselves in the foot and find a way to lose right as they are at the edge of becoming as popular as star wars.
GW is a case of lunatics running the asylum when it comes to design principles and how they operate as a business. At worst it is a soulless corporate executive who is trying to maximize profits even if the game suffers for it. At best you'll get a soyboy Warhammer 40k fanboy who grew up making "Fix bayonets xD" tier memes for years and unironically thinks Matt Ward did nothing wrong. Old warhammer was fresh and the inspiration was rather varied as compared to being restricted by corporate design mandates about "only the models". What a mess, go play 3rd edition or something good.
The best codex was not a codex. It was two books, called Waaargh Da Orks and Ere We Go. They had the perfect balance of lore, inspiration and rules that focused on fun and bringing narrative into the game. Two other non-codex bibles, Slaves to Darkness and The Lost And The Damned, were almost as good, leaning more into art and fiction than rules per-se, and they weren't about Orks (which is a hindrance to most things, let's be honest). But these were the real high watermarks for GW books. They haven't had the spark to make those kinds of player-aids in decades... probably never will again. Creativity in the hobby has been on the bottom of the barrel for so long now it makes my old heart very sad.
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Customising is still fully supported - GW has even announced conversion-focused videos in the next season of Warhammer+, and White Dwarf and Golden Demon still showcase kitbashes and conversions regularly. North keeps confusing what GW focuses on its marketing with what they actually "like" or "hate". Certainly it can be argued that they're overprotective about keeping their official IP in-house and that does affect what they show in their marketing and about ensuring that their lore is 'siloed' - White Dwarf staff aren't part of the lore team so they no longer get to write narrative - but that comes down entirely to legal issues around how they present their IP. As a lore fan I definitely find it a shame, but I do understand why they take that approach.
The 40k you want where codexes are "fair and balanced on release" doesn't work in a modern internet world where anyone can netlist the optimal stuff in minutes. Things have to be balanced to a razor thin line which isn't possible with 20+ factions unless they're all the same with different colors of paint. The slightest imbalance will be exploited and amplified with a massive megaphone online. I saw this exact sentiment when Starcraft 2 was released, people where complaining "it wasn't the same as Broodwar or Command and Conquer" because they got demolished as soon as they tried playing random people online. No, it's just you and the friends you played those games with sucked and you didn't have the opportunities to know that. I didn't play 40k 20 years ago, hell I don't play it now I just like painting minis, but I'll be slightly controversial and say the game wasn't balanced back then either. Codexes were likely imbalanded as all shit but you and the people you played with weren't good enough to understand that. You all just had fun playing because the internet echochamber wasn't as ubiquitous as it is now.
Hello north, this is afternoon here (the guy from malaysia) I agree with everything you just said as the game me and my friends shared together, warhammer underworlds has a new edition which diluted all our warbands abilities to "balance them out". We're all kind of bummed out now as our group either chooses to stay the same without buying newer warbands or are forced to abide to the new game.
I started to be interested in 40k during 8th edition but i started painting models during the begining of 9th but even then i got into it because of the older art pieces, some viedo games and people talking about it and i got into the older version of it, even when i painted my first miniatures i had no idea what was a primaris marine and i had no idea about anything that happened in lore after the 7th edition, that was the version of 40k that I saw and that enticed me
One of my favourite moment from a game of 40k was the last surviving ork boy firing his slugga that hit the fuel line for a knight paladin which caused it to detonate and fall on a unit of guardsman after we rolled 4 6s IN A ROW. It was just that moment of "that was fuckin awesome" and ive been chasing that high ever since Considering orks have been made "you will use them for melee or you can take a hike" i dont think that will happen again
I’m literally just waiting for the other shoe to drop, and for GW to say that Proxying is contrary to the rules. The day that happens, I’m out of the hobby. I haven’t bought any new models since 3E, just rulebooks and Codices…
Oh my gosh, GREAT POINT! There was no need to gatekeep, we always invited everyone in. I remember walking around my Jr High school with the 3rd edition rulebook, reading it for lore and rules in between classes. All my friends thought the art was dope and Space Marines were awesome.
I hate to tell everyone, but 40k is dead. It will continue to twich and spasm for a long time, but it is dead. This is from someone who was obsessed with warhammer from the rouge trader days. Look at other games, I've chosen trench crusade as mine. It feels like rouge trader, small squads, rpg elements, story driven and lore loose enough you can add you own personal stamp on the world its created. It wont be to everyones taste. But my point still stands, move on to other games. 40k is gone 😢
I've gotten back into yugioh with my coworkers. Got invited to play with them, and well I absolutely floored them as their more OG players while my better decks can beat you in 1-2 turns. Bought them each a newer deck to play around with and we have plans after Christmas to play again.
Not only is Trench Crusade an open sore primed for infection like Battletech, it has woke built into its foundational philosphy just like 40k has trad masculinity built into its founding philosophy. Trans Crusade within 5 yrs.
I think the problem that no one is looking at here is that this was always bound to happen as 40K becomes more mainstream. I just started the hobby late in 9th, but got interested probably in 8th edition. The thing that always kept me out was the intimidation of getting started, what do i need, where do i start, what is and how to kit bash, what madels do i need for kit bash or coverting into the better units, and let alone the intimidation of im not a good painter and man so many people make it look bad. Certainly all the modeling side has become easier and for me thats great, i do better when there are more defined options and everything i need comes as is with the models. But then there is the competitive sode of this, with more popularity comesore competition, and as competition increase the need to make a more balanced game is needed. People are to competitive in general to have it be very unbalanced, and it also makes the game less strategic to have extreme randomness in the game. Im looking to play, but only for fun so im just picking loadouts that look cool or im taking 1 of each load out for different units. But thats because that's what I'm looking for out of the game, I'm not looking to dominate competition.
Got into playing 40k mid 7th and I made the unfortunate decision to play Tau cause they looked cool. Little did I know I would be dealing with a man tearing into me for triple riptides when I couldn't afford more than 1 riptide. And would kitbash devilfish to be hammerheads
My favourite marines are still the 2nd Edition monopose tactical marines. And yes I agree that the advent of monopose primaris was the beginning of the end for homebrew characters or chapters.
Great video. I can say that Old Warhammer still lives on in basements with Warhammer Dads and their kids. Kind of sad though that no one feels welcome to actually PLAY WARHAMMER in GW stores anymore. I hope GW just gets rid of Strategems for casual play. Let their Tournies have their nonsense. Casual players want their game back.
remember brothers, keep the old editions alive, im a new fan i got into this incredible series when Boltgun released, getting into the tabletop game really clicked with me once i tried out 5th edition over 10th, and i play it semi regularly with family and friends. much like with Star Wars and how you should just completely abandon Disney's era and pretend it doesnt exist in favor of the EU and the OG trilogy, embrace the true fun loving spirit of the 40k hobby without GW's leash telling you how to enjoy it get the PDFs to the old tabletop books, get an e-reader and read the classic novels, 3d print miniatures, get your friends and family into the good stuff etc. Only in death does duty end!
i want all the ogs and mistreated fans to have fun again with all of their favorite legacy IPs, embrace what made them awesome and abandon what corpos are doing to them now. trust me, im a huge fan of games like Halo and Gears of War, i know how it feels, they can ruin our beloved classics however they want moving forward, but they can never take away what came before. The Emperor Protects brothers.
I got into Warhammer 40k relatively recently, my older brother brought the Dark Vengeance set for me but I never really played until 8th edition, now I have a few games of 10th under my belt with my Chaos Space Marine army. For the time I have been in the hobby, I have tried to respect and be apart of the culture of the fandom because I do love the setting despite not being a big lorehead. It annoys me to see other people and channels who got into Warhammer 40k around the same time as me, like the PoorHammer guys, poison the well by insinuating that everyone who is annoyed by the custodes retcon is either sexist or somehow not a true 40k fan because "the lore is always retconned". Again I am not a big lore head, but all the retcons I can think of have served to expand a faction (like the necrons), make them cooler and give people more meat to chew on for expanding or writing homebrew lore. The custodes retcon, how it was implemented and GW's smug response on twitter feels entirely different and toxic compared to the lore additions of the past.
The retcon has been painted as such by sexists and grifters. There was only ever 1 paragraph that stated that the custodies were all male. Which was retconned in the 9th edition codex. It was explicitly stated that females can be custodians by the 10th edition codex. How else would they go about that extremely small change? How could they change that without angering sexists?
@ I personally never saw that retcon in 9th edition, this is the first time I’m hearing about it. And judging from what I do know of Custodes there have only ever been male characters along with male only models,!so from a casual glance one would assume they are like Space Marines in that regard. You also already had the female-only sisters of silence as part of the faction too, so if you were specifically looking for some lady representation it was already there. With the current state of online culture now, you’re right in saying that no matter what people would’ve been angry by the change. But I personally feel it shouldn’t have taken a codex being leaked beforehand for people to find out the custodes now have women in their ranks, there should have been a new model kit or upgrade sprue along with an announcement. You can correct me if I’m wrong but there’s still no official models you can use from GW for female custodes right? Furthermore they should not have underhandedly slipped in a story about a lady custode and then going on twitter to announce “There have always been female custodes” Even if lore wise that’s true, we haven’t seen any female custodes up until this point, so that comment just sounds insulting and inviting people to argue about stuff. It’s that kind of attitude that really made this thing blow up out of proportion in my mind. There were definitely grifter content creators who latched onto the story who never cared about 40k prior, but I think the actual amount of sexist people in the 40k community is extremely low.
Id like to put together a unit of baseline grunts. Not the SAS or SEAL Team 6, but the reluctant conscripts that feature in almost all the novels. But its hard to do with monopose elites, the shock troops and Kasrkin types that have all the top gear. So its back to old-school Cadian torsos i guess, and scrounging mismatched parts for gear. More fun anyway.
If GW think they can use mono-pose and lack of customization to squeeze more money out of a veteran hobbyist like me, they've got another thing coming. Just finished making every troop choice for my Phobos Kill Team out of a single box thanks to my big box o' bitz and some clever kit bashing. The fact that their mono-poses severely limits the choice of what you're able to make out-of-box is just criminal.
I got into 40K for the lore and the stories, so thankfully I don't have to give GW money. When I want to play the actual tabletop game, I load up Tabletop Simulator and do matches with my friends. They've spent hundreds of dollars on minis, but I'm not about that, lol.
For me coming back into the hobby after some time away from it, I've never really understood the modern concept of 40k of the constant rules patches/tweaks/Nef/buffs etc for 10th ed when compared to 3rd and 4th editions. There may only have been 1 or 2 things that mayhave been clarifyied/updatted in a Q&A bit of WhiteDwarf. So would be good if GW were to properly play test rules in house 1st rather than what I suspect they might be doing in by having a select few play testers at tournaments playtesting out armys & rules, which then resulted in the whole ship show of Leagues of Votan codex getting basically invalidated from day 1 due to the amount of that said that the army was over powered/broken. Although I'm slowly painting up a Genestealler cult for 10th, I'm quite tempted in getting a imperial Gaurd army
Does anyone believe Primaris Space Marines will still exist in the next edition? It seems clear to me that they're making Primaris models and vehicles to be 1:1 comparable to the "standard" marine range so that in a couple of years they can discontinue their whole range of too-small space marines and move forward with truescale marines instead. Just a happy coincidence that doing so will incentivise all Space Marine players to replace their whole army to suit the new model range.
6th and 7th edition used to be the WORST edition. 3-5th were great. If GW didnt balance their newer editions they would be worst then 6th and 7th. But with balancing 10th is even better then 3rd, and 4th edition
Idk why I stopped listening. You make so many good points. Maybe it's cause subconsciously I like living ignorantly in bliss haha. But your right about one thing. 40k is thematically dead.
There is a thing with modern companies who create hobby stuff btle it warhammer, video games, tv shows etc... they all seem to hate their core audience and want this mythical "modern audience" that diesnt exist.
There may be some truth to that in many cases, but an awful lot of the time - as with GW - it's more a case of the audience refusing to admit that it itself has changed. GW is a company that started out by marketing toys to teenagers. Its current marketing strategy is, essentially, to market toys to teenagers, with all the changes that entails due to the differences in tastes between teenagers 40 years ago and teenagers now. North's gripes are just those of a former teenager who refuses to admit he's grown out of the 'target audience'. Yes, some of GW's marketing direction seems childish to us - because it's aimed at children.
I started playing 40k (Rogue Trader) in the early 1990s. I stopped playing about ten years ago. I left because of GW's message to non "woke" fans and the loss of tactical aspects. Changes to the vehicles rules, for example, made me lose interest. The fact that a tank's facing no longer matters (they're just blobs of HP now) undermined a huge part of the tactical decision-making aspects of the game. I still collected models, but the loss of the ability to customize your models and a degradation in detail meant that I no longer had any interest in buying the minis. I still buy older models and Forgeworld bits on-line, but rarely.
This is why i only play "Midhammer" (3rd-7th) these days, and 3D print most of my new models. I don't like the direction the hobby is going - whether in terms of models, lore, or hobbying - so I'm much happier playing older versions of the game.
For what i've seen so far, this is happening in every sector of economy where marketing is involved. It isn't much about hating the IP/Company's origins, but wating to appeal and sell as much as possible... actually, no, it is even worse, is about the people involved in these baffling decisions trying to get advantages for themselves (being that monetary, influential or political) and using these "we will sell more" decisions, as shields for their actions. In the end, the weakest link of the chain (low ranking employes and costumers) suffers the consequences.
Warhammer is for everyone (if you work 2 jobs and earn above minimum wage) I got onto warhammer in 2015, a kit of 10 dark eldar was 25 back then. Now it’s 20 dollars more. It is disheartening.
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GW is preying on nostalgia, when it ends it will be the end of W40K , GW is digging its own grave now
9:23 But it wouldnt I have had simmilar stuff happen this edition with my titan. The only difference might be that titan can still shoot at something while someone is poking at its feet
I joined at 8th at the covid "crisis" for the story writing and narrative opportunities. I've played 2 games, second of which was so bad I haven't played since. Tabled me round 1 with khorne berzerkers....
GW are just doing what companies do. They want to expand. I got back into warhammer because of space marine 2 and tbh the table top game doesn’t seem so different from what I remember. I do remember bad dice rolls ending me when I played so if those are gone I won’t be that disappointed
11:50 If they want monopose, my 2nd edition models are much better at that than the 6 Infernus marines i got this year. The free one even has a themed base!
As a new(ish) player I get where you're coming from and can relate to many takes, tho I also disagree on several things because they are so one dimensional. Some examples are total misses, but I don't want to write a whole novel in the comments. But the point about GW completely misunderstanding their core audience is 100% true. they surround themselves with echochamber of soyjaks that will buy any crap for any price and act like everybody else are just tourists. "Warhammer is for everyone" but "Go away, you won't be missed". I don't like tabletop games or wargames besides WH40k so I will continue play it as long as I find joy in it, but words\will\lore\opinions from GW means nothing to me and in this state of things they never will.
Is there anything to be said for the person who doesn’t find the jump marine vs titan fun? Whether it be because the titan player is frustrated that a big chunk of their army is somehow being stymied by a blip of his opponents? Or whether it be that someone finds that situation incredibly narratively dissonant? I don’t think that any one person’s idea of fun should trump another’s. The only thing that really matters if the spirit of a game is maintained through the years it exists. And so, in that sense, I can err on your side of this particular point. I just find it interesting that nobody ever gives credit to the opposing viewpoint. Or at least I don’t feel they do.
Well the guy with the titan was gutted when my jump pack dude was obliterated so…he brought a model to create a cool moment and it happened. It’s about being a grown adult.
GW choose the renaissance of 3d printing to abandon their loyal (and financially irresponsible) community. As I see it, they've outlived their usefullness.
@@AllRoundGlandHounddoes not require much space if you have two tanks you have enough space. It takes zero skill and no time other than waiting. Been printing for over 4 years none of what you said is the case. I support several small creators who cover everything for me and models are some of the best I have ever had. Fumes are highly blown out of proportion anyway you don't put it where you would spend most of not all of your time plus they are enclosed anyway.
Wouldn't worry about it. GW can't write competitive rules. Even coherent rules. It would be like Bethesda announcing an e-sport kind of game ;) They keep introducing blatantly obvious power creep over and over again. The sad thing is that the chills keep buying the stuff, thus forcing the company to do better.
All codex should be free on app, and on site. All rules, OR one release of everything, spaced out by 6+ years. Free books will sell many more models. I already have IG, already have 90 genestealers, broodlords. I could start GSC for $250. But id have to buy the book...so im not.
Ohh great sage of Da' North , why do you plague me with such great videos which remind me of days of yore and fuel my inspiration for homebrew lore . :(
I think it's an amalgamation of greed of a big company, the disgusting vile p3d0phileque leftist invading HR, and the overall player behavior shifting to competitive mindset, i started at 10th and now I am seeing the hobby I love a lot being unwelcoming to the veteran friends I made when I started earlier this year, I would've loved to do the more narrative games rather than the tryhard centric ones, tho I will always be branded a meta chaser because I play Ts.
I'm a new player but I guess I know what you're talking about and don't like the new approach. I saw what was Kill Team 2018 vs 2021 garbage. I feel alienated and like I've made a huge mistake joining that late. Enjoying Mordheim now but mostly alone lol
You should check magic the gathering situation, I know it's not your stuff but things are going wild there. To make it short, soon SpongeBob and spiderman cards will be released, that game has lost almost all that made it unique just to be a platform trading card game instead of it own thing
Share this video with Elon M. And ask him to buy GW 😊
Don't put this evil on us Ricky Bobby.
▶️ 10:15 = Which *_WHITE 📖 DWARF_*_ Issue_ was this Narrative Campaign in, *'North❓*
@@wolvie90 I would absolutely LOVE for Elon to buy GW, the only people who would not like that are leftist propaganda victims.
The last time anyone got it this wrong, they were stepping off a plane declaring it to be peace in our time
You don’t like Elon? Why?
This is true of many older properties. The people working on them didn’t create them and don’t have half the talent of the people that did so they are extremely bitter and basically vandalize the old work to make themselves feel better. See Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, D&D, etc…
This is basically the universal truth of all human endeavours. I usually use the video game industry to highlight this point because the cycle is so comically accelerated (usually around 5 years), but you can point at pretty much every kind of organization and see similar things.
When people don't have skin in the game and don't personally sacrifice they tend not to appreciate or understand the thing they've been given. Even if they did, it's not at all uncommon that people forget the circumstances that a given idea or organization came about under, so they wind up corrupted anyways.
The up side is if it goes on long enough there is another inflection point where people who care take over again, it just takes another 15-20 years.
It's worse, they actively avoid hiring people with passion and integrity and respect for the setting.
I've applied for jobs at GW, and every time I've always received "sorry but you don't represent our values"
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33Just do what woke people do to infiltrate franchises: lie about your real values.
I have noticed this pattern
Feels bad getting into a hobby only to hear people who have been in the hobby for a long time saying it sucks now
I mean, to be fair, that's always been true!
It doesn't sucks, there's a whole bunch of people that do enjoy the hobby. It's a popular grift to keep on saying something sucks, there have been some dumb changes. But people like this dude will get more engagement if he keeps on this rethoric. It's not a perfect hobby, and gw has made a lot of blunders but don't let people like this discourage you buddy. Try to find a good community around you, and give it a try.
@@manuelelopez1982depends on part of the world we in eastern europe never were casual. And almost all games are played at stores. 8th to 10th is a slow decline in fun. 10th is worse the 7th. In 7th everyone was pissed, almost killed the game . But 10th is apathy. People quit, new people save for the few in to tournaments, don't exist. AoS died with new edition. Oddly enough the only system doing really well (understood as people having fun) is old world. 2ed HH lost a ton of steam after a huge start.
Don’t pay attention to them. It’s nonsense. And you can still buy the old hammer stuff. But what’s available now for starter boxes etc is light years ahead of what we had back in the day.
@piotrjeske4599 where do u get your stats from? Other grifters? People saying everything is dead? Stuff keeps on selling, i couldn't care less if people hates gw. Brands will be always hated, but the product weather you like it or not is being sold. And there are many tournaments and people playing. Like I said youtubers like north live off the hate towards gw because is popular. I like his videos but sometimes, it's just annoying to watch those "wh40k is dead" "gw did something".
And i hate the new GW stuff with a burning passion. But the thing is.. i can live on without their new stuff. I can use older books. I can 3d print models. They on the other hand cant really live without me and my money.
The people I now see saying they are "huge fans" of Warhammer 40k (getting off correcting everyone on the lore) are the same people who bullied me in the '90s for loving it.
happening in every kind of "hobby": manga-anime; board games; card games; minis games; video games; scify/fantasy books/series/movies; etc
as some youtubers said: we didnt gatekeep, and we are being chased out of our hobbies/passions by "pop culture chasers", who doesnt enjoy it, but its the "current thing".
@AlexAlex-zt3hi that's a great point. Pop culture chasers, chasing "current thing" and then changing it to meet their own ideals, effectively ruining it altogether
This, a million times this.
Turns out I should have been a warhammer fanatic 10-15 years ago to get what I wanted out of the hobby.
It’s the entire reason I started with World Eaters in 9th. I thought they would be the most fun and narratively fulfilling army to play since win or lose so long as I got some skulls Khorne would be pleased.
I don’t like playing games that don’t make any sense lore wise, and I just do not take this game seriously as far as win rates and meta. Which is completely at odds with my personality because I am an extremely competitive person. I’ve been global elite on many many accounts and have done dozens and dozens of boosts. I’ve been grand master a couple of seasons in league of legends. Diamond in r6s, Multi Gladiator in WoW, top 10 on d2/d2r ladder, top 10 wizard in a couple of d3 seasons.
The hobby is something completely different to me. The tabletop isn’t where I want to exercise my competitive spirt, it’s where I want to be silly, have fun with my toy soldiers and pretend there is a massive slaughter unfolding before me with tremendous consequences win or lose.
I have always loved to paint. Painting my minis isn’t a chore it’s a privilege and arguably my favorite part. My second favorite part about the tabletop is simply showing off my work. I love it when someone stops over to take a closer look or ask how I pulled something off, I love it just as much when someone does something similar or even improves on my idea. That’s one great thing about painting minis, like all art it is never complete only abandoned.
It also pains me that every fandom I flee to as a seeming refugee is hunted down by the woke inquisition and turned against me within a few years of becoming fully invested in it.
I just left the comic book scene last year, after collecting & selling comics for 30 years straight. It just got SO unbelievably woke & the companies were catering to vocal minorities that didn't even read the comics they complained about. Finally left when I discovered 40k. It was like comics except I had novels to read & I've always preferred reading novels anyways! So, I buried myself in the lore, got 560 Warhammer books loaded on my e-reader & plowed through them, & got into 3d printing to start pumping out armies & painting away. I was an artist prior, so I LOVE painting as well. & what was even cooler to me than comics, was I could take this interest & interact with people through the tabletop! I could interact with my hobby in a tangible way & it's just so awesome. It was like almost immediately after I got into it & fully invested myself in it that female custodes happened & the wokeness really started taking a hold on it.
I wish I would've gotten into this instead of comics, 30 years ago. I hope Trump brings enough change that the community sorts itself out. I want this to be a quality community so bad.
We gotta fight the Woke. It's a culture war they think they can win. They will if we let them.
You wouldve loved this hobby even more back in 2010
Blood for the blood God, skulz for the skull throne
I agree with the wanting to be casual on the tabletop.
Everyone's different and everyone approaches games differently but the tabletop is where I like to let my hair down and not try to be meta and cutthroat. Meta lists in games like 40K or optimal internet strategies being mechnically executed in board games just leaves me cold. It's exhausting to be up against this when you just wanna have a laugh and roll a few dice, and it's not my vibe at all in these games.
GW to it's fan base
"We don't want you here, kindly buy one of our battle boxes and leave and don't come back.... Until we release another one. Ta.
and not even the common courtesy to give the man a reach around lol
I have finally hit my limit with GW.
I ordered the Dark Angels box set when it was available, but during the waiting period my enthusiasm for 40k started to heavily wane. The expense of the models, coupled with the frustration I was having with the game was really getting to me.
My order eventually arrived and I took a look at the set ($405.00 AUD) and just became depressed. I did know the price going into it, but now with Christmas here and other necessary responsibilities to take care of the cost was really hitting home.
Normally I would be 'ok' with the prices, layby and then gradually pay it off when I could, but now I couldn't even get excited about the minis, and the thought of starting a new dark angels army sounded exhausting, both financially and the work involved to complete it.
I recently even started getting into Kill Team, smaller squads, a more concentrated and shorter gaming experience. I really enjoyed it. But now, with the latest price releases for the upcoming expansions and mini sets, it's become very apparent that now this version of the hobby will also blow out and be super expensive to maintain.
As a result of GW prices and the years of being very curious about 3D printing, I finally caved. I spent $654.00 AUD on a Mars 5 Ultra, a wash and curing station and two bottles of resin. I thought this was a pretty good deal for a Black Friday sale. It was an outlay, and one that I was nervous about, but all of a sudden I began to buzz with excitement just thinking about all the printing possibilities.
I've been looking at trench crusade and chaplain helmets, alternative minis, terrain, toys and sculpts. Even my wife has been excited about the possibilities of making little signs for her garden, or making doll house furniture for our girls.
$654.00 for endless possibilities, or $405.00 for an overpriced box of minis. It was finally apparent (albeit maybe a bit late) which way I should be going. GW and their pricing antics have finally driven me out, and forcibly I will add.
Maybe I should blame you North, for me launching myself headfirst into 3D printing like the inexperienced git that I am.
But I'm just gonna thank you instead.
3D printer go brrrrrr mate
This is how I have felt myself. Even here in the UK I feel like the prices are a joke, supply and demand issues insane, and the lore changes, even to older properties returning like Fantasy, leave me cold.
I 3D print, but I also buy from companies that produce stuff that genuinely excites me. Lately that has been Burrows and Badgers of all things, as well as gunpla.
Come over to Malifaux. Cheaper crews, natural barriers to entry that curate a mature crowd, and a general spirit of competitive, good sporting silliness.
The codex releases sound like video game launches. They are launched with bugs and are partially incomplete, then fixed months after launch.
Honestly I think games workshop should focus on video games, they have enough lore and world building in Warhammer 40k, Warhammer fantasy and Warhammer age of sigmar to create massive video game series and franchises with and with popular videos games that could actually bring in more money than the mintutures it brings more people to the mintutures and wargaming side of the hobby. I think video games could easily be the most profitable part of Warhammer40k if they played their cards right, looks like people are hungry for more Games like Warhammer40k Space marine 2, rouge trader, and Boltgun, Warhammer40k has the same elements that made doom, halo, StarCraft and fallout popular
Couldn't agree more. The game doesn't feel the same anymore, and that makes me sad. I miss the days of the Badab War and the Siege of Vraks. The new stuff (lore/art/models) doesn't have any soul to it.
The last bastion of my hobby lies with The Old World and HH2.
Heck I got into the series recently after the return of guilliman and primaries marines and I honestly think that badab war and siege of vraks is more interesting and better than the current narrative. I absolutely love the Horus heresy and primarchs but I think that Warhammer40k was better off without the Primarchs. Let the Horus heresy 30k be a half remember time of legends and mystery for the current narrative of Warhammer 40k only really know by Bjorn the fell handed, a few custodes and few chaos space marines who fought in those wars. I like that the imperium of man was incompetent and falling apart as they face the horrors of the galaxy before guilliman returned. Now it kinda feels like they are making Warhammer 40k into Horus heresy 2.0 and don't really know how to feel about that. Primaris marines just felt cheap a hundred thousand space marines popping up out of nowhere when the imperium of man was bearly managing to survive and maintain itself. Heck I could actually forgive the Primarchs like guilliman returning if we didn't just add a hundred thousand new space marines out of nowhere that apparently have better and more stable gene seeds on top of that making them somehow considered better than the firstborn space marines that have been fighting against the threat of xenos and chaos for 10 thousand years.
@@shaneriggs6678 But what else has the Imperium invented in 10k years? Improving gen tech a little seems stagnant enough.
I do miss the customization. I got into 40knin 6th/7th edition. I still have my old guard Veterans converted to have carapace armor and shotguns.
Doctrines for veterans was fun, and let my guard feel a little more elite.
ive been saying this for years. this is why trench crusade has blown up because its filling the void of grim dark brutality that GW abandoned back in 8th edition. i was telling my wife about this the other day, we were chatting while i was sitting at the computer and i was scrolling facebook as i was telling her that 40k now is like goofy soft edges marvel style story telling and humor and how its lost all the cool darkness that made it cool and i shit you not im not exaggerating in the slightest as im telling her this a video scrolls up on my feed and its a post form the official gw 40k page and its a cartoon clip of orks singing their version of jingle bells and i yell "THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT! HOLY SHIT! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS JUST TELLING YOU ABOUT" and we watched the clip and she was like yeah thats pretty lame
Yeah but trench crusade is a bunch of leftists, try saying anything critical about the setting or game on their discord, you'll get insta banned
@@AllRoundGlandHoundtheir main target is teens and young adults, people with money, cos that's what they want.
Children don't have cash
Just remember, there are no female Custodes. It’s a Tzeentchian plot.
That single tweet took me out of the hobby.
I'm a story guy that has 0 minis. If the lore is that unimportant, I'll see myself out to a better franchise to spend my money.
I own over 100 books too. The horror stuff is peak.
Any lore written post-2010 is fake and gay
I’m so happy that at the very least, if shit recovers, a “Tzeentchian plot” is a pretty good way to retcon cringe stuff like FemStodes.
I checked the wiki and it looks like there are
I mean, it's as if James had gone insane and not only removed Custodes from Killteam but also the SoS and power armored SoB Killteam.
I wish one day we get rules that are thematic and cool first, balanced second.
I want that for 40k, mostly because there just isnt anyone around who plays anything but the current tournament rules. And because i want to use some of the newer units and models that came out later than the fun editions.
A game can be unbalanced and survive. A game will die if it is no longer entertaining. You can't win a wrestling match with dad, uncle, granddad etc but it is fun. Getting your shit kicked in by a dude two weight classes up is not. OP this or that is okey, as long as army X lets you play fun Y build. Being forced in to play the GW way, or litteraly not having lets say a bike army to play soon turns in to apathy.
Nah you've missed the mark here. GW is definitely moving to the E Sports model, but it is by no means suppressing the creativity of its customers. The crackdown on IP infringement, although unfortunate for fans, is a perfectly predictable response by a company with a fiduciary duty to its shareholders. As far as not supporting narrative, I just got back from the Grand Narrative in Atlanta, where GW goes to great lengths to create an immersive narrative experience, by which the fans have an active role in the lore of the setting. Armies were displayed and celebrated for exhibiting novelty and creativity - an entirely Tau-based Worldeater army comes to mind. They also produce several other games that are clearly not intended for competitive play (blood bowl and Necromunda for example). The codex perfection you seek is not possible when there is significant production lag between writing rules and the actual delivery of the book. The playtesters are human beings and they have limited time. When you release a rule book to hundreds of thousands of competitively minded players world wide, they WILL find things that were unexpected or unintended. GWs willingness, and lately eagerness, to address this in a formalized fashion is massively welcome for the competitive 40K scene, which btw is absolutely the money maker for GW, so they're doing well to nurture that environment. There is no one stoping or discouraging you from doing home brew or playing older editions. Narrative play and competitive play are not mutually exclusive, but competitive play DOES require a degree of realtime feedback and adjustment, which GW have massively improved in the last few years. You need only look at their stock price if you want to know if this was a good decision for them.
I am sorry that you wrote so much truth and that the response you will probably get is “go woke go broke” or some other nonsense.
you say E-sports , I say professional tournament players
10th Ed. is the death "nell" of the game for the casual player
British Pound has = $1.25 for years plus new Trump 25+% tariff is going to "F" over GW as 60% of their business model is in the US . US gets raped in mark up pricing . It is ( until Feb 25 ) actually cheaper to buy from a discount retailer in Britain and have it shipped to US , than buying from GW store in the US
Look up the Australian price
Same here with Canadian prices, but not as bad as Australia admittedly
I blame a big part of gw for not opening a production center in the us.
The writing was on the wall for a decade and they never did.
Like many British businesses, GW seems to be pivoting to Asian markets with some success - I'm actually surprised the US share of their business is as low as 60%, and they're also increasingly in a position to trade on the IP and so avoid tariffs on physical products having as much impact as they would a few years ago. As far as it can be quantified the IP still seems to be a minor part of the market, and with the recent publicity about GW's entry to Britain's FTSE 100 there's no shortage of analysts commenting on it and pointing out that it's a rather unpredictable part of the business, but it seems to be growing and is at least a cushion of sorts especially if GW is able to leverage it to use American rather than European developers to produce games or shows based on the IP (such as Amazon).
Finally, the tariffs Trump's threatening on European goods appear to be aimed at the European Union specifically rather than Europe as a continent - at least as some British politicians and business analysts are interpreting it, hopeful that they'll be able to leverage the fact that Trump likes the UK more than he likes the EU.
@philipbowles5397 Labar party has openly insulted the Orange Cheeto , so expect at least 25% like Trudeau got for his insults
I've never seen a company hate their customer base so much. I've also never seen a company hate that these very customers would bring in others into the setting. Every time you talk about what corporate wants or thinks how things should be run, it legitimately ticks me off, because it's so devoid of humanity. I also find it ironic considering "humanity first and only" Space Marines are their poster boys. Maybe they'll be forced to turn the ship around, but this always seems to happen to companies when it's too late; I highly doubt they'd turn it around voluntarily.
I'm just waiting for the day when this type of leadership and nonsense comes back and hurts them greatly. They really are the Disney of the boardgaming industry. Bleeding stones dry and ticking off their *customers,* not consumers. God, I hate corpo-rats.
@@AllRoundGlandHound Lol. You're funny.
I don't think that Games Workshop "Hates" what Old School 40k is. At least, not in the malicious sense. I think that it's like GRRM and A Song of Ice and Fire. They are absolutely sick and tired of 40k and they would much rather do something new like an Age of Sigmar in Space. Just like how GRRM, instead of writing the 6th book (which will never come out btw) worked on Elden Ring.
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I don't understand complaints that 40k is 'becoming more like Age of Sigmar'. Age of Sigmar only exists at all because GW reinvented WFB to make it more similar to 40k, both in gameplay and in allowing them more leeway to make a high fantasy setting as 40k is, rather than being constrained by the 'low fantasy' nature of the Warhammer World (and after all 40k began as Warhammer in space). The influence has nearly always been in the other direction.
@philipbowles5397 My gripe is that instead of GW giving 40k the of Mice and Men treatment like they did with fantasy. They are doing the boiling frog effect to transform it into an Age of Sigmar in Space which harms the setting more in the long run more than an End Times could.
Honestly I think that is somehow even worse, I don't want Warhammer40k to become age of sigmar in space, I want Warhammer 40k, at least have Warhammer 40k end times and end the series with some level of respect and dignity to let the older and newer fans say goodbye to warhammer 40k instead of trying to make it age of sigmar in space.
@@shaneriggs6678 What do people mean by 'Age of Sigmar in space'?
40k began as Warhammer Fantasy in space, so there's obviously a lot of commonality between the basic races, but Age of Sigmar hasn't added anything to the setting- quite the reverse, new factions added to AoS have copied 40k. Most obviously Stormcast channelled Space Marines, and then mirrored the Primaris change with the Thunderstrike redesign. Lumineth took more of their background from the Eldar than the High Elves, and the Idoneth are essentially soggy Drukhari rather than traditional WFB Dark Elves.
You are correct again, unfortunately you and uncle Mordian are being correct about GW more and more often, maybe it's just a thing with us who started in 3rd edition.
This is one pf the only good 40k channels. You know what the soul of the hobby is. Your dudes fighting your friend's dudes and making up stories about it. The unbalanced rules make the battles FUN and SILLY.
I'm a Johnny Come Lately who got into 40K during lockdown. I've devoured lore, read some Black Library (not been impressed there, unfortunately) and painted up some models I'm really happy with.
One of my early stumbling blocks, however, was the fact that games in stores weren't a thing anymore, I'll admit that was a bit of a '... what?' moment and it's a shame that the culture of bringing your big box in and finding an opponent on a gloomy winter afternoon for a gaming session has gone entirely. I never got to experience that and it just feels like the actual gaming side of the whole thing is intimidating to get into now. It's still something I keep meaning to give a go but haven't quite got there yet.
I'm looking out for local events, groups and FLGS's but the experience of the bright-eyed and excited kid getting into it must be completely different in 2024 to 2004 and while as an adult I understand it from a business decision (it IS a shop and not a youth club after all) it is a shame there isn't such an easy way to get stuck in for newbies. It is quite disappointing to hear I'm getting into something when the veterans are quite down on it too, but it is what it is.
I got into Warhammer 40k and Fantasy back in 1988. I have fond memories of playing GW games with friends and family until around the late 90s. Now I find the Warhammer hobby too expensive and have moved on to Battletech, Heroquest, and a Old school D&D inspired system.
I still run AD&D games. I'm curious to hear what system are you referring to that is inspired by old school D&D so I can check it out.
Old school essentials classic fantasy? I've been very tempted since the dnd 2024 flopped.
@@GlennM53 Thanks, I'll look into it. Do you prefer it over playing AD&D? If so, why?
@dravengraves1995 I've not taken the plunge yet (I'm mid way through running a 5e 2014 campaign at the moment) but from my research they have classic and advanced versions that are pretty much 1st edition dnd and adnd respectively, but written out alot easier to follow with the kinks ironed out. Because lets be honest, the 3 core adnd books were a headache to navigate around 🤣
So my plan is to pick up the basic rules tome after my campaign ends, because dnd 2024 is.... Well... you know lol
I remember playing 5th and charging Necron Warriors into Carnifexes whilst screaming "forge the narrative." Also, having a single grot scare a riptide off the table cause the grot dealt 1 wound in close combat
Many of your points hit differently depending on ones preference BUT! I think we can all agree that the prices are just way too high, especially for models without a resculpt (hello GK and your rumoured no resculpt this edition). I literally ordered a printed 2000 points army for GK for the price of 1,5 GK combat patrol. And I'm not on the lower end of income - I just refuse to buy old models for premium prices. Warm regards to you Northern, a man of GK culture.
I just got into the hobby, and have my first models on the way, but the way you describe how this hobby used to be really makes me lament for a time a never got to experience. The lore is so deep and all it seems people care about now is what army is the most competitive. I’m gonna do my new hobby my own way, and tell stories with my games and hopefully meet people who feel the same.
Most of us do just that as they are my models and I'll play with them however we want
I'm similar, got in with lockdown. It's been a lot different from my expectations. I rather naively thought I'd be able to just drop a load of money on models, a big carry case and live out the times everyone pines for where you bring your case into a Games Workshop and play a load of games on your day off.
I'm just painting up my guys and looking into a local scene to dip into, but it feels less easy to roll up your sleeves and dive in compared to those shops being filled with people back in the noughties. I can see why people miss it.
You can literally still do all of that
@@mastermide77 correct
First video of yours I've watched and you've definitely earned my subscription with it.
I started my Warhammer 40k journey some four or so years ago and it's amazing how quickly things seem to have gone downhill for the narrative style of play you describe - markedly so with the release of 10th edition stripping a lot of the fluff out of the rules. Fortunately, the few friends I have that are in 40k seem inclined to stick to 9th, but I wish they had the 'Jake' mindset of narrative play rather than a more competitive 'Luke' style.
Anyhow, cheers for the video, sir!
I have a feeling that game workshop is going to somehow end up shoot themselves in the foot and find a way to lose right as they are at the edge of becoming as popular as star wars.
GW is a case of lunatics running the asylum when it comes to design principles and how they operate as a business. At worst it is a soulless corporate executive who is trying to maximize profits even if the game suffers for it. At best you'll get a soyboy Warhammer 40k fanboy who grew up making "Fix bayonets xD" tier memes for years and unironically thinks Matt Ward did nothing wrong. Old warhammer was fresh and the inspiration was rather varied as compared to being restricted by corporate design mandates about "only the models". What a mess, go play 3rd edition or something good.
The best codex was not a codex. It was two books, called Waaargh Da Orks and Ere We Go. They had the perfect balance of lore, inspiration and rules that focused on fun and bringing narrative into the game. Two other non-codex bibles, Slaves to Darkness and The Lost And The Damned, were almost as good, leaning more into art and fiction than rules per-se, and they weren't about Orks (which is a hindrance to most things, let's be honest). But these were the real high watermarks for GW books. They haven't had the spark to make those kinds of player-aids in decades... probably never will again. Creativity in the hobby has been on the bottom of the barrel for so long now it makes my old heart very sad.
If you enjoyed 3rd-7th edition Warhammer 40K and customizing your miniatures, you may join us in Bolt Action. For less than the cost of a Space Marine Intercessors Box, you can get a two-player starter set. Why wait? A better game with a lower bar to entry is awaiting you.
(Winter Fallschirmjager come with a FREE shovel per sprue. Happy shovel noises)
Bolt Action for when people decide to put on their big boy pants
Customising is still fully supported - GW has even announced conversion-focused videos in the next season of Warhammer+, and White Dwarf and Golden Demon still showcase kitbashes and conversions regularly. North keeps confusing what GW focuses on its marketing with what they actually "like" or "hate". Certainly it can be argued that they're overprotective about keeping their official IP in-house and that does affect what they show in their marketing and about ensuring that their lore is 'siloed' - White Dwarf staff aren't part of the lore team so they no longer get to write narrative - but that comes down entirely to legal issues around how they present their IP. As a lore fan I definitely find it a shame, but I do understand why they take that approach.
The 40k you want where codexes are "fair and balanced on release" doesn't work in a modern internet world where anyone can netlist the optimal stuff in minutes. Things have to be balanced to a razor thin line which isn't possible with 20+ factions unless they're all the same with different colors of paint. The slightest imbalance will be exploited and amplified with a massive megaphone online.
I saw this exact sentiment when Starcraft 2 was released, people where complaining "it wasn't the same as Broodwar or Command and Conquer" because they got demolished as soon as they tried playing random people online. No, it's just you and the friends you played those games with sucked and you didn't have the opportunities to know that.
I didn't play 40k 20 years ago, hell I don't play it now I just like painting minis, but I'll be slightly controversial and say the game wasn't balanced back then either. Codexes were likely imbalanded as all shit but you and the people you played with weren't good enough to understand that. You all just had fun playing because the internet echochamber wasn't as ubiquitous as it is now.
Back then if you had a bad codex you might be stuck with is for like 10 years.
Hello north, this is afternoon here (the guy from malaysia) I agree with everything you just said as the game me and my friends shared together, warhammer underworlds has a new edition which diluted all our warbands abilities to "balance them out".
We're all kind of bummed out now as our group either chooses to stay the same without buying newer warbands or are forced to abide to the new game.
Hello from Australia * smiling politely *
I started to be interested in 40k during 8th edition but i started painting models during the begining of 9th but even then i got into it because of the older art pieces, some viedo games and people talking about it and i got into the older version of it, even when i painted my first miniatures i had no idea what was a primaris marine and i had no idea about anything that happened in lore after the 7th edition, that was the version of 40k that I saw and that enticed me
One of my favourite moment from a game of 40k was the last surviving ork boy firing his slugga that hit the fuel line for a knight paladin which caused it to detonate and fall on a unit of guardsman after we rolled 4 6s IN A ROW. It was just that moment of "that was fuckin awesome" and ive been chasing that high ever since
Considering orks have been made "you will use them for melee or you can take a hike" i dont think that will happen again
I’m literally just waiting for the other shoe to drop, and for GW to say that Proxying is contrary to the rules. The day that happens, I’m out of the hobby.
I haven’t bought any new models since 3E, just rulebooks and Codices…
Good evening Heretics.
Oh my gosh, GREAT POINT! There was no need to gatekeep, we always invited everyone in. I remember walking around my Jr High school with the 3rd edition rulebook, reading it for lore and rules in between classes. All my friends thought the art was dope and Space Marines were awesome.
I'm gonna try Trench Crusade
Hey North. What kind of tea do you drink. I remember you said it before but have gone back through most of the episodes and can’t find it
Yorkshire. :)
Thankyou so much keep up the great work your doing
As soon as the bookstore in the mall got 2nd ed starter boxes it took a buddy and I about 3 weeks to mow enough lawns. Ive taken a few hiatus.
Bring back HEAVY METAL GRIMDARK
@ *sad gas mask noises*
I hate to tell everyone, but 40k is dead. It will continue to twich and spasm for a long time, but it is dead. This is from someone who was obsessed with warhammer from the rouge trader days.
Look at other games, I've chosen trench crusade as mine. It feels like rouge trader, small squads, rpg elements, story driven and lore loose enough you can add you own personal stamp on the world its created. It wont be to everyones taste. But my point still stands, move on to other games. 40k is gone 😢
I've gotten back into yugioh with my coworkers. Got invited to play with them, and well I absolutely floored them as their more OG players while my better decks can beat you in 1-2 turns.
Bought them each a newer deck to play around with and we have plans after Christmas to play again.
Not only is Trench Crusade an open sore primed for infection like Battletech, it has woke built into its foundational philosphy just like 40k has trad masculinity built into its founding philosophy. Trans Crusade within 5 yrs.
You'd think someone who started with rogue trader would know how to spell it correctly.
@davideguarneri9076 I've just had to Google how to spell dyslexia to tell you I have it. 🤣🤣
But you are correct it is spelt rogue, my bad 👍
It's literally bigger now then ever
I think the problem that no one is looking at here is that this was always bound to happen as 40K becomes more mainstream. I just started the hobby late in 9th, but got interested probably in 8th edition. The thing that always kept me out was the intimidation of getting started, what do i need, where do i start, what is and how to kit bash, what madels do i need for kit bash or coverting into the better units, and let alone the intimidation of im not a good painter and man so many people make it look bad. Certainly all the modeling side has become easier and for me thats great, i do better when there are more defined options and everything i need comes as is with the models.
But then there is the competitive sode of this, with more popularity comesore competition, and as competition increase the need to make a more balanced game is needed. People are to competitive in general to have it be very unbalanced, and it also makes the game less strategic to have extreme randomness in the game. Im looking to play, but only for fun so im just picking loadouts that look cool or im taking 1 of each load out for different units. But thats because that's what I'm looking for out of the game, I'm not looking to dominate competition.
Got into playing 40k mid 7th and I made the unfortunate decision to play Tau cause they looked cool.
Little did I know I would be dealing with a man tearing into me for triple riptides when I couldn't afford more than 1 riptide.
And would kitbash devilfish to be hammerheads
Forget Tau join the Guard, " would you like to know more"
@captainhll9661 yeah that is kinda the same energy I was given just gotta toss in stuff about blueberries and no melee and riptides are bullshit
This is why I love Oathmark and Frostgrave, and other North Star games, all narrative and fun, mini agnostic even if they have official models.
The golden era of 40k was 3rd/4th edition. Hands down.
And I genuinely feel sorry for people that missed out on it.
The nostalgia listening to this was incredible! Thank you North brought back so many memories. You're a legend mate
My favourite marines are still the 2nd Edition monopose tactical marines.
And yes I agree that the advent of monopose primaris was the beginning of the end for homebrew characters or chapters.
Great video. I can say that Old Warhammer still lives on in basements with Warhammer Dads and their kids. Kind of sad though that no one feels welcome to actually PLAY WARHAMMER in GW stores anymore. I hope GW just gets rid of Strategems for casual play. Let their Tournies have their nonsense. Casual players want their game back.
remember brothers, keep the old editions alive, im a new fan i got into this incredible series when Boltgun released, getting into the tabletop game really clicked with me once i tried out 5th edition over 10th, and i play it semi regularly with family and friends.
much like with Star Wars and how you should just completely abandon Disney's era and pretend it doesnt exist in favor of the EU and the OG trilogy, embrace the true fun loving spirit of the 40k hobby without GW's leash telling you how to enjoy it
get the PDFs to the old tabletop books, get an e-reader and read the classic novels, 3d print miniatures, get your friends and family into the good stuff etc.
Only in death does duty end!
i want all the ogs and mistreated fans to have fun again with all of their favorite legacy IPs, embrace what made them awesome and abandon what corpos are doing to them now. trust me, im a huge fan of games like Halo and Gears of War, i know how it feels, they can ruin our beloved classics however they want moving forward, but they can never take away what came before. The Emperor Protects brothers.
Remember when rules books use to say;
Remember its your game, feel free to mod it and evolve it any way that fits you and your mates 🍻
I got into Warhammer 40k relatively recently, my older brother brought the Dark Vengeance set for me but I never really played until 8th edition, now I have a few games of 10th under my belt with my Chaos Space Marine army. For the time I have been in the hobby, I have tried to respect and be apart of the culture of the fandom because I do love the setting despite not being a big lorehead. It annoys me to see other people and channels who got into Warhammer 40k around the same time as me, like the PoorHammer guys, poison the well by insinuating that everyone who is annoyed by the custodes retcon is either sexist or somehow not a true 40k fan because "the lore is always retconned". Again I am not a big lore head, but all the retcons I can think of have served to expand a faction (like the necrons), make them cooler and give people more meat to chew on for expanding or writing homebrew lore. The custodes retcon, how it was implemented and GW's smug response on twitter feels entirely different and toxic compared to the lore additions of the past.
The retcon has been painted as such by sexists and grifters. There was only ever 1 paragraph that stated that the custodies were all male. Which was retconned in the 9th edition codex. It was explicitly stated that females can be custodians by the 10th edition codex. How else would they go about that extremely small change? How could they change that without angering sexists?
@ I personally never saw that retcon in 9th edition, this is the first time I’m hearing about it. And judging from what I do know of Custodes there have only ever been male characters along with male only models,!so from a casual glance one would assume they are like Space Marines in that regard. You also already had the female-only sisters of silence as part of the faction too, so if you were specifically looking for some lady representation it was already there.
With the current state of online culture now, you’re right in saying that no matter what people would’ve been angry by the change. But I personally feel it shouldn’t have taken a codex being leaked beforehand for people to find out the custodes now have women in their ranks, there should have been a new model kit or upgrade sprue along with an announcement. You can correct me if I’m wrong but there’s still no official models you can use from GW for female custodes right? Furthermore they should not have underhandedly slipped in a story about a lady custode and then going on twitter to announce “There have always been female custodes” Even if lore wise that’s true, we haven’t seen any female custodes up until this point, so that comment just sounds insulting and inviting people to argue about stuff. It’s that kind of attitude that really made this thing blow up out of proportion in my mind. There were definitely grifter content creators who latched onto the story who never cared about 40k prior, but I think the actual amount of sexist people in the 40k community is extremely low.
Well GW hate 40k because it’s a more conservative setting. The writers and upper management are all far left. The two don’t mix.
Gw is literally doing better then ever, so something must be working
Id like to put together a unit of baseline grunts. Not the SAS or SEAL Team 6, but the reluctant conscripts that feature in almost all the novels. But its hard to do with monopose elites, the shock troops and Kasrkin types that have all the top gear.
So its back to old-school Cadian torsos i guess, and scrounging mismatched parts for gear. More fun anyway.
If GW think they can use mono-pose and lack of customization to squeeze more money out of a veteran hobbyist like me, they've got another thing coming. Just finished making every troop choice for my Phobos Kill Team out of a single box thanks to my big box o' bitz and some clever kit bashing. The fact that their mono-poses severely limits the choice of what you're able to make out-of-box is just criminal.
I got into 40K for the lore and the stories, so thankfully I don't have to give GW money. When I want to play the actual tabletop game, I load up Tabletop Simulator and do matches with my friends. They've spent hundreds of dollars on minis, but I'm not about that, lol.
For me coming back into the hobby after some time away from it, I've never really understood the modern concept of 40k of the constant rules patches/tweaks/Nef/buffs etc for 10th ed when compared to 3rd and 4th editions. There may only have been 1 or 2 things that mayhave been clarifyied/updatted in a Q&A bit of WhiteDwarf.
So would be good if GW were to properly play test rules in house 1st rather than what I suspect they might be doing in by having a select few play testers at tournaments playtesting out armys & rules, which then resulted in the whole ship show of Leagues of Votan codex getting basically invalidated from day 1 due to the amount of that said that the army was over powered/broken.
Although I'm slowly painting up a Genestealler cult for 10th, I'm quite tempted in getting a imperial Gaurd army
Does anyone believe Primaris Space Marines will still exist in the next edition? It seems clear to me that they're making Primaris models and vehicles to be 1:1 comparable to the "standard" marine range so that in a couple of years they can discontinue their whole range of too-small space marines and move forward with truescale marines instead. Just a happy coincidence that doing so will incentivise all Space Marine players to replace their whole army to suit the new model range.
The modern warhammer writers and designers are a complete joke.
6th and 7th edition used to be the WORST edition. 3-5th were great. If GW didnt balance their newer editions they would be worst then 6th and 7th. But with balancing 10th is even better then 3rd, and 4th edition
Idk why I stopped listening. You make so many good points. Maybe it's cause subconsciously I like living ignorantly in bliss haha. But your right about one thing. 40k is thematically dead.
There is a thing with modern companies who create hobby stuff btle it warhammer, video games, tv shows etc... they all seem to hate their core audience and want this mythical "modern audience" that diesnt exist.
There may be some truth to that in many cases, but an awful lot of the time - as with GW - it's more a case of the audience refusing to admit that it itself has changed. GW is a company that started out by marketing toys to teenagers. Its current marketing strategy is, essentially, to market toys to teenagers, with all the changes that entails due to the differences in tastes between teenagers 40 years ago and teenagers now.
North's gripes are just those of a former teenager who refuses to admit he's grown out of the 'target audience'. Yes, some of GW's marketing direction seems childish to us - because it's aimed at children.
I started playing 40k (Rogue Trader) in the early 1990s. I stopped playing about ten years ago. I left because of GW's message to non "woke" fans and the loss of tactical aspects. Changes to the vehicles rules, for example, made me lose interest. The fact that a tank's facing no longer matters (they're just blobs of HP now) undermined a huge part of the tactical decision-making aspects of the game. I still collected models, but the loss of the ability to customize your models and a degradation in detail meant that I no longer had any interest in buying the minis. I still buy older models and Forgeworld bits on-line, but rarely.
This is why i only play "Midhammer" (3rd-7th) these days, and 3D print most of my new models. I don't like the direction the hobby is going - whether in terms of models, lore, or hobbying - so I'm much happier playing older versions of the game.
Dark angels players feel you on the terminator box we lost
Necromunda and Horus Heresy are probably the best things they have going for them
For what i've seen so far, this is happening in every sector of economy where marketing is involved. It isn't much about hating the IP/Company's origins, but wating to appeal and sell as much as possible... actually, no, it is even worse, is about the people involved in these baffling decisions trying to get advantages for themselves (being that monetary, influential or political) and using these "we will sell more" decisions, as shields for their actions. In the end, the weakest link of the chain (low ranking employes and costumers) suffers the consequences.
Most the people I talk to about 40K haven’t read any of the books. 😂
I'm happy BT picked up when 40k went down.
Warhammer is for everyone (if you work 2 jobs and earn above minimum wage)
I got onto warhammer in 2015, a kit of 10 dark eldar was 25 back then. Now it’s 20 dollars more. It is disheartening.
GW is preying on nostalgia, when it ends it will be the end of W40K , GW is digging its own grave now
9:23 But it wouldnt I have had simmilar stuff happen this edition with my titan.
The only difference might be that titan can still shoot at something while someone is poking at its feet
Yes. I think titans are able to move out of engagement now anyway
@mastermide77 I don't think they can, but they can shoot out of combat
@@hopelessedgelord had to look it up. There's a rule called "god-machine" that let's them fall back, shoot, and charge.
Yeah I member when we used to be able to call the shop and ask rules questions for games at home 😂
Shareholders has all the control. The player base is just the utter that gets milked.
I joined at 8th at the covid "crisis" for the story writing and narrative opportunities.
I've played 2 games, second of which was so bad I haven't played since. Tabled me round 1 with khorne berzerkers....
Just got to keep at it. My first game was necrons vs. custodes at the tail end of 8th. Did not go in my favor lol
GW are just doing what companies do. They want to expand. I got back into warhammer because of space marine 2 and tbh the table top game doesn’t seem so different from what I remember. I do remember bad dice rolls ending me when I played so if those are gone I won’t be that disappointed
This is why I play BattleTech, I still hate CGL but I don't hate them as much as GW.
11:50 If they want monopose, my 2nd edition models are much better at that than the 6 Infernus marines i got this year. The free one even has a themed base!
As a new(ish) player I get where you're coming from and can relate to many takes, tho I also disagree on several things because they are so one dimensional. Some examples are total misses, but I don't want to write a whole novel in the comments.
But the point about GW completely misunderstanding their core audience is 100% true. they surround themselves with echochamber of soyjaks that will buy any crap for any price and act like everybody else are just tourists. "Warhammer is for everyone" but "Go away, you won't be missed".
I don't like tabletop games or wargames besides WH40k so I will continue play it as long as I find joy in it, but words\will\lore\opinions from GW means nothing to me and in this state of things they never will.
Is there anything to be said for the person who doesn’t find the jump marine vs titan fun?
Whether it be because the titan player is frustrated that a big chunk of their army is somehow being stymied by a blip of his opponents?
Or whether it be that someone finds that situation incredibly narratively dissonant?
I don’t think that any one person’s idea of fun should trump another’s. The only thing that really matters if the spirit of a game is maintained through the years it exists. And so, in that sense, I can err on your side of this particular point. I just find it interesting that nobody ever gives credit to the opposing viewpoint. Or at least I don’t feel they do.
That point was weird because you can literally do that now today.
Well the guy with the titan was gutted when my jump pack dude was obliterated so…he brought a model to create a cool moment and it happened. It’s about being a grown adult.
Table Top narration can definitely be monetized.
Just look at Matt Mercer and his groupies effect on D&D; for better or worse.
▶️ 10:10 = Which *_WHITE 📖 DWARF_*_ Issue_ was this Narrative Campaign in, *'North❓*
Oh I hope it's the punk that they hate. It'd be kind of obvious with them being a big multinational company and all.
nothing excites me anynore . every form of entertainment is gutted out
he's into feet lol
Him and Mordian Glory hehe
Competetive/tournament play should be an overlay and addon to the rules, not the be all end all.
GW choose the renaissance of 3d printing to abandon their loyal (and financially irresponsible) community.
As I see it, they've outlived their usefullness.
@@AllRoundGlandHounddoes not require much space if you have two tanks you have enough space. It takes zero skill and no time other than waiting. Been printing for over 4 years none of what you said is the case. I support several small creators who cover everything for me and models are some of the best I have ever had. Fumes are highly blown out of proportion anyway you don't put it where you would spend most of not all of your time plus they are enclosed anyway.
And thats why i bought a 3d printer
they mega push special characters now
Wouldn't worry about it. GW can't write competitive rules. Even coherent rules.
It would be like Bethesda announcing an e-sport kind of game ;)
They keep introducing blatantly obvious power creep over and over again.
The sad thing is that the chills keep buying the stuff, thus forcing the company to do better.
I'm sure your mum would have NO IDEA whatever who John Holmes was. The very idea! 😉
All codex should be free on app, and on site. All rules, OR one release of everything, spaced out by 6+ years.
Free books will sell many more models.
I already have IG, already have 90 genestealers, broodlords. I could start GSC for $250. But id have to buy the book...so im not.
Ohh great sage of Da' North , why do you plague me with such great videos which remind me of days of yore and fuel my inspiration for homebrew lore . :(
I think it's an amalgamation of greed of a big company, the disgusting vile p3d0phileque leftist invading HR, and the overall player behavior shifting to competitive mindset, i started at 10th and now I am seeing the hobby I love a lot being unwelcoming to the veteran friends I made when I started earlier this year, I would've loved to do the more narrative games rather than the tryhard centric ones, tho I will always be branded a meta chaser because I play Ts.
The oldhammer gamers are the best... GW has lost touch with its roots
He's right it pains me to say it but yeah the gw i loved is gone
I'm a new player but I guess I know what you're talking about and don't like the new approach. I saw what was Kill Team 2018 vs 2021 garbage. I feel alienated and like I've made a huge mistake joining that late. Enjoying Mordheim now but mostly alone lol
Just come play heresy with us and return home to the old ways
Math hammer is 100% meaningless. Always has been.
You should check magic the gathering situation, I know it's not your stuff but things are going wild there. To make it short, soon SpongeBob and spiderman cards will be released, that game has lost almost all that made it unique just to be a platform trading card game instead of it own thing