100% about not wanting to be here, not out of laziness, but out of being really confused about this world, why it works in these insane ways, it makes zero sense to me!!! There is very very little in life that feels worth the effort it takes here, on this planet, to get. Why so hard?? It doesn't make ANY sense to me - nor does how SO many people revel in the struggle, think the constant go go go is a badge of honor & LOVE the challenge. WHAT? WHY?? I don't know why I have always had this knowing but "it doesn't have to be this way!!" 12th house stellium. Moon Saturn Sun Mercury + POF
Thank you for sharing... That is part of the spiritual challenge intrinsic to the 12th house... to learn and accept that you are incarnated, and why it is important. I hope you can find some answers in the Neptune/12H book.
It is always worth remembering that the 12th house represents the intelligence of the universe… that despite the possible struggles, it is not random. But we as humans can only comprehend parts of it… most of it is veiled. This is where TRUST is most important, spiritual trust. And this is true for all 3water houses… they each make us aware of our vulnerabilities, and lessons of trust. From the womb of the 12th (spirit form) into b the birth of the 1st house (incarnation) we are here for a purpose! If we do not pull through, do we really want to come back next life and redo it all? Probably not…
I look forward to reading your book. 12 house Moon conjunct North Node squaring 8th house Pluto. Studying evolutionary astrology and so grateful for all it has to offer. Definitely feel separate from this world…after reading Mists of Avalon as a teen I felt strong connection with faerie realm. Critical Virgo Sun and Mercury, it irritates me when whatI consider “flaky” people make false claims about spiritual or ghost phenomena. Although I have believed in their existence I had no experience and so maybe didn’t believe…approximately 6 months ago I went into my backyard in the middle of the night, don’t remember why, maybe my dog but as I had my hand on the door to go back inside I felt a hand rest on my shoulder..without turning around I said very firmly in my mind “go away. You are not coming in “ and I closed the door without looking back and headed straight to my room. I ended up being awake in bed for some time aware of this presence outside. This was all very out of character, I am an excellent sleeper. The only other unusual occurrence around the time was a magical exercise I did with planets through online astrology community… I have stayed clear of astrology magic since. Thank you for your work. I find the information you share easy to assimilate 🎶🌀🙏
My 12th stellium loved this an appreciates Maurice’s insight on the 12th. I feel so much interpreted about the 12th makes it sound horrible and scary and this made me feel a lot better about how to see and work with my 12th planets
Wonderful talk! Resonates word by word the way I experience my stellium in 12H of Taurus (Sun and Mercury cazimi; Mars and Lilith opposite Neptune in 6H) My moon is in Pisces, so transit Neptune is sitting right on it at the moment. It has been intense but nothing unfamiliar, I remember this feeling since I’m a little girl, a foggy and floating feeling. I have used this energies to study theology and graduated from 2 year course; finding Astrology a few years later with the ingress of Uranus in Taurus.
Maurice has Gemini in 12th house with moon in Gemini. I have Saturn in Gemini in the 12th I used to read Tarot and more. Psychic. Really interesting discussion.
I'm a 12th h Libra Sun conj ASC. A life of despair many times, a super empathic person stuck in an unfair (Libra) world fighing for cosmic justice. Up until I was 23 I felt like a ball in a ping pong game. I failed at pretty much everything in life on a societal level. Then I found spirituality and meditation and very quickly had some awakening moments...until I had a kundalini awakening gone wrong - the big struggle; how to stay embodied in a world I felt rejected my soul signature? Too sensitive, too light. My human conditioning couldnt keep up with the energy I was waking up and I felt unsafe around EVERY.ONE. And my real self does seem to have knack for triggering people's egoes heavily. Meditation triggered these higher energies. Stayed away from it for a few years. Return to a bit of 'sleep'. Constant sense I didn't want to be alive. I'd never commit suicide but I overeat, do nothing all day ....again nothing society would find productive. Now at 36, after intense philosophical (I'm a 9th h Gem Moon) inner struggles....trying to reconcile , not just the unfairness in the world....but what I now perceive to be the unfariness at the very level of incarnation and Spirit's handling of humans...tossing us around like toys, with no clarity.............I finally decided. Yes I will stay alive. Out of indignation for everything I'vee on Earth and in spirit. I can't open myself energetically willy nilly......because I DO attract unwanted attention. But I no longer subscribe to the spiritual teachings that put a premium on surrender.....and I just adjust my energy step by step. And service was the thing that kept me alive. I want to help people who feel abandoned by god, angels, ascended masters and helpful aliens. I suffered greatly in this life, and I can't find a good reason. What has finally brought me peace recently was having the courage to question the divine plan.
I was born on a solar eclipse in pisces in 11th house (3-7-70 florida 10:22am) (obviously conj n node) with no aspects to any planets,i feel very connected to12th with saturn5°tau conj mars0°tau in the 12th. I think you are very accurate about the 12th house being a "career position" and "having potential" and "not know what to do with it", its very hard to bring ideas into physical maifestation, but best with good "strategy", that rings true to me with my saturn in the 12th. I am a well read astrologer, but i do not like helping people, i help them by setting my own boundaries with them in a way.
Moon Square Neptune Washed up upon alien lands Whose structure like shifting sands I tread the surface lightly Knowing my footprints vanish nightly As waves mysteriously wash away And drown the words I wished to say I am the sailor who became marooned When Neptune conspired with the Moon Bonnie Svardal
perfect timeless conversation - thx
100% about not wanting to be here, not out of laziness, but out of being really confused about this world, why it works in these insane ways, it makes zero sense to me!!! There is very very little in life that feels worth the effort it takes here, on this planet, to get. Why so hard?? It doesn't make ANY sense to me - nor does how SO many people revel in the struggle, think the constant go go go is a badge of honor & LOVE the challenge. WHAT? WHY?? I don't know why I have always had this knowing but "it doesn't have to be this way!!" 12th house stellium. Moon Saturn Sun Mercury + POF
Thank you for sharing...
That is part of the spiritual challenge intrinsic to the 12th house... to learn and accept that you are incarnated, and why it is important. I hope you can find some answers in the Neptune/12H book.
It is always worth remembering that the 12th house represents the intelligence of the universe… that despite the possible struggles, it is not random.
But we as humans can only comprehend parts of it… most of it is veiled. This is where TRUST is most important, spiritual trust. And this is true for all 3water houses… they each make us aware of our vulnerabilities, and lessons of trust.
From the womb of the 12th (spirit form) into b the birth of the 1st house (incarnation) we are here for a purpose!
If we do not pull through, do we really want to come back next life and redo it all? Probably not…
Beautiful discussion! Loved all the story telling, if I wasn't your student, id take the workshop 😂🙌🏾 if anyone is on the fence, get off and sign up!
Omg this makes so much sense to me! So many ah ha moments!
Venus retrograde in 12th (Aquarius)
Taurus moon-3rd house
Thank you so so much!
I look forward to reading your book. 12 house Moon conjunct North Node squaring 8th house Pluto. Studying evolutionary astrology and so grateful for all it has to offer. Definitely feel separate from this world…after reading Mists of Avalon as a teen I felt strong connection with faerie realm. Critical Virgo Sun and Mercury, it irritates me when whatI consider “flaky” people make false claims about spiritual or ghost phenomena. Although I have believed in their existence I had no experience and so maybe didn’t believe…approximately 6 months ago I went into my backyard in the middle of the night, don’t remember why, maybe my dog but as I had my hand on the door to go back inside I felt a hand rest on my shoulder..without turning around I said very firmly in my mind “go away. You are not coming in “ and I closed the door without looking back and headed straight to my room. I ended up being awake in bed for some time aware of this presence outside. This was all very out of character, I am an excellent sleeper. The only other unusual occurrence around the time was a magical exercise I did with planets through online astrology community… I have stayed clear of astrology magic since. Thank you for your work. I find the information you share easy to assimilate 🎶🌀🙏
My 12th stellium loved this an appreciates Maurice’s insight on the 12th. I feel so much interpreted about the 12th makes it sound horrible and scary and this made me feel a lot better about how to see and work with my 12th planets
Thank you Maurice. With moon in 12th house, this has been like an arrow hitting a target for me. Explains a lot.
what a wonderful explanation of the 12th house! thank you for it!
Wonderful talk! Resonates word by word the way I experience my stellium in 12H of Taurus (Sun and Mercury cazimi; Mars and Lilith opposite Neptune in 6H)
My moon is in Pisces, so transit Neptune is sitting right on it at the moment. It has been intense but nothing unfamiliar, I remember this feeling since I’m a little girl, a foggy and floating feeling. I have used this energies to study theology and graduated from 2 year course; finding Astrology a few years later with the ingress of Uranus in Taurus.
As a 12th house Gemini moon, I’m quite pleased to learn that Maurice Fernandez is also a Gemini moon :)
also in the 12H
Great conversation! Thank you. 🌸
This was interesting and fun. Great questions, too 🙂💗
Maurice has Gemini in 12th house with moon in Gemini. I have Saturn in Gemini in the 12th I used to read Tarot and more. Psychic. Really interesting discussion.
I'm a 12th h Libra Sun conj ASC. A life of despair many times, a super empathic person stuck in an unfair (Libra) world fighing for cosmic justice. Up until I was 23 I felt like a ball in a ping pong game. I failed at pretty much everything in life on a societal level. Then I found spirituality and meditation and very quickly had some awakening moments...until I had a kundalini awakening gone wrong - the big struggle; how to stay embodied in a world I felt rejected my soul signature? Too sensitive, too light. My human conditioning couldnt keep up with the energy I was waking up and I felt unsafe around EVERY.ONE. And my real self does seem to have knack for triggering people's egoes heavily.
Meditation triggered these higher energies. Stayed away from it for a few years. Return to a bit of 'sleep'. Constant sense I didn't want to be alive. I'd never commit suicide but I overeat, do nothing all day ....again nothing society would find productive.
Now at 36, after intense philosophical (I'm a 9th h Gem Moon) inner struggles....trying to reconcile , not just the unfairness in the world....but what I now perceive to be the unfariness at the very level of incarnation and Spirit's handling of humans...tossing us around like toys, with no clarity.............I finally decided. Yes I will stay alive. Out of indignation for everything I'vee on Earth and in spirit. I can't open myself energetically willy nilly......because I DO attract unwanted attention. But I no longer subscribe to the spiritual teachings that put a premium on surrender.....and I just adjust my energy step by step.
And service was the thing that kept me alive. I want to help people who feel abandoned by god, angels, ascended masters and helpful aliens. I suffered greatly in this life, and I can't find a good reason. What has finally brought me peace recently was having the courage to question the divine plan.
I am a scorpio 12th house with only pluto there. pluto conjuncts my scorpio rising
I was born on a solar eclipse in pisces in 11th house (3-7-70 florida 10:22am) (obviously conj n node) with no aspects to any planets,i feel very connected to12th with saturn5°tau conj mars0°tau in the 12th. I think you are very accurate about the 12th house being a "career position" and "having potential" and "not know what to do with it", its very hard to bring ideas into physical maifestation, but best with good "strategy", that rings true to me with my saturn in the 12th. I am a well read astrologer, but i do not like helping people, i help them by setting my own boundaries with them in a way.
Pluto and Rahu in the12th with moon on the IC. Uncanny.
I loved hearing about the pups chart! 😂. I look at my dogs chart but it’s hard for me to read it in perspective of the dog….
Moon Square Neptune
Washed up upon alien lands
Whose structure like shifting sands
I tread the surface lightly
Knowing my footprints vanish nightly
As waves mysteriously wash away
And drown the words I wished to say
I am the sailor who became marooned
When Neptune conspired with the Moon
Bonnie Svardal
can we get the replay to the 12th House workshop? I have sun, moon & mars in 12th H Virgo that I would love to learn more about...
What if I have Neptune in 6th conjunct south node moving to 12th house north node? I love your work
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