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Exactly what the fight against teachers pushing trans in school is about. Saying parents have no right to know. It’ll be their little secret between them and the children
@@LiveFreeOrDie2A that is different though. The reason why teachers have the right to not tell parents their child is lgb is because some parents are abusive and will hurt their child if they find out. You clearly don't care about children
A long form video on her unbelievable carelessness (to put it charitably) in this situation might be in order. I hope attempts to cancel her have been just as strenuous as the attempts on ZeRo. If we're going to take allegations like she made seriously we need to be assured that the person making them has their facts straight. Presenting an age difference of 2 years as 5 isn't even close. To me that suggests malevolence on her part.
@@BiggieTrismegistus That's the crazy part. It may LITERALLY have been her making shit up in order to cancel Zero and cash in herself. Jisu could be an actual evil person There's zero evidence to her story But it brought Katie to her, and that was the ammunition she needed Weird situation for sure Jisu's allegations were a joke without evidence, and absolutely would be dismissed Katie though? Ended Zero, and with good reason
@@hocuspocus5256 Jisu is genuinely a bad person. She has constantly attempted scams and grifts. She has bullied people out of the Smash and art community several times. She has yet to actually be punished for any of this.
@@blackout2846 Its frankly weird af. Tech wants so bad to send Nairo into the gutter, yet somehow seems to be a real bro when it comes to Zero There's definitely more to the story we may never find out, or maybe Technicals really is that big of a troll Either way, he is on one hand raising huge awareness about abuse in the Smash community... all the while forgiving and heralding one of it's worst offenders. Super weird
Wonder how this would have panned out if Jisu had only focused on the Katie situation, or if Katie herself spearheaded the allegations. Zero would have no response to it. Instead the situation got more chaotic and lost focuse quickly. Really good video.
@@KenryckOMG! Do not tell me that Katie only shared her story with ZeRo on Twitter because she felt more confident after seeing that Jisu was spreading allegations.
@@ManuelPersona24 Not really the point I was making. Jisu went on a complete warpath and tried to cancel both Sky Williams and ZeRo with false allegations before she even knew Katie existed. Her getting lucky and running into someone who actually had shit on one of them doesn't make what she did any better
I'll admit I was ready to write this video off on the basis of ZeRo's traumatic past. My logic was "Well how can you expect someone to know between right and wrong when they never had it modeled for them as a child? No wonder he said those things. He was a victim of them himself and to him that must have been the norm." But man I've never seen it laid out like this. The fact he KNEW she was underage and continued to ignore that fact, and then to imply his lawsuit being settled somehow clears his name is manipulative af. Thank you for this video.
I imagine that he's so careful with his words to avoid outright lies and admission to illegal activity. I don't know if he's actually sorry or not, but I imagine he won't outright apologize because he'd end up admitting to some serious criminal acts that would get him in trouble. The tactic of "I'm legally innocent, so that means I didn't do anything wrong" is a practice I've seen people use to distance themselves from their crimes and avoid making admissions that would have possible legal repercussions.
Absolutely agree! He is absolutely disgusting. He still takes no accountability yet he is free roaming the streets. He is a disgrace who is into children. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Remember, he got away with it because of Technicals, who's own brother PixelDrink did extremely disgusting things with children himself and also got away with it. People like AugieRFC "forgave" PixelDrink and then became friends with Technicals "burying the hatchet" despite PixelDrink having been DOCUMENTED with screenshots sending nudes to children, drawing himself in s***ual situations with specific children, and asking for nudes from those children. Technicals defended Zero because his brother did the same thing as Zero. Peopl like AugieRFC completely dropped this issue because they were "stressed out" from fighting with Technicals and Augie even said; "Technicals explaiend to me why sending those pictures to a group wasn't as bad as sending it individually to children..." Despite the fact PixelDrink sent pictures directly to children one on one, AND to a group of 2 dozen. Technicals is NOT a person you should trust, you should NOT welcome Zero back. You should treat Zero, Technicals, and PixelDrink all the same. They are predators/predator defenders.
I agree. The only thing here is ZeRo did stop himself from going even further with her and he was much younger at the time. I have to absolutely commend him for that, but he should still be held accountable for what he did. Still, it's crazy how the community still ostracized ZeRo, as they should, but Nairo gets a free pass, and what he did was arguably worse.
@@wesleyem3 He was raped in the first one, and then coerced. Yeah, the second one puts him solidly in ped territory I'll bet if little Kate was running around at Smash events it wouldnt take a minor forcing themselves on Zero to get that far Again, not excusing Nairo at all, but Zero wanted to make Katie his sex slave. Zack was a rapist in the making after any d he could get, willing to lie, cheat, and steal AND blackmail for it. And yes, even rape for it Katie? Oh, just an innocent 14 fan girl who wanted to tell Zero that she admired him. I'd say Zero is worse
@@yusifudo46 Zero stopped because his 14 year old wasnt putting out He tried, she said she wasn't comfortable Man had to move on to bigger and better things 🙄 The fact that ppl try to defend Zero because "nothing happened" Bruh. He tried making her his sex slave
Before I watch, I want to say that I really appreciate a thorough video explaining what happened to him. I always wondered but felt it best to avoid. I had started avidly watching him a few months before this happened and was so disappointed, the smash drama itself killing my temporary smash phase as I moved onto other things. Thanks for always having amazing videos! I'm gonna try to cram this in before I have to go to work lmao
That's what it was like for me, started to get into comp smash and ZeRo was my main guy to watch, loved his videos, then everything went down and it just dwindled all my interest in smash outside of playing it casually with my friends
This whole thing is what made me completely cut off anything to do with the Smash community (except 64 and Remix). It just kept going back and forth and it was so confusing, I realized almost no one really cared about any victims and used it for their own gain whether consciously or not. Just a circus as usual.
Before being called out with evidence: I'm so sorry. Is there anything I can do better? After: As you can see, I'm the victim and they're all liars! Funny how that works.
I mean, 90% of the claims against him were complete bullshit. He only conceded to some of them cause of the sheer amount of people that refused to hear his side
@@Kenryck Everyone wanted to read his side but his side was wrapping circles around nothingness. And you think that in that same google doc where he wrote about his dad beating the fuck out of his mom you think he was lying about his allegations he admitted to aswell. The delusion is real
@@Kenryck Yeah? And it wasnt until another person defended him where he realized he might have a chance and decided "Hey lets say they were lies now people will believe me" So fuck Technicals. People dont want them to be real so they wont. You know who else did this? The LeafyIsHere Fanbase! He brutally bullied Mentally ill, kids and just regular content creators but fans went "Its satire" to the people he bullied because they didnt want him being an awful human to be real.
@@bavingates2502 I can tell you know next to nothing about this case if you seriously think people weren't lying about ZeRo. Go watch the first 10 mins of Tech's original video and come back and say Jisu didn't spread any lies about him
See, this isn't so white and black. There is a conversation to be had of how long any punishment should be. If a person has not re-offended, and the crime is simply being inappropriate with a single person many years ago...Is it okay to forever deny them the ability to make videos? I don't have the answer. But I think in this case, as long as he continues to be on the straight and narrow, that he might deserve the second chance. Now if something else comes out, than if provable, yeah he probably doesn't belong on youtube. There's a conversation to be had about second chances, and over-punishing people. Not all offenses are the same, and not all cases deserve the most extreme measures possible. We don't go around giving everyone who does anything wrong life in prison sentences, or the death penalty. The punishment has to fit the crime, and be fair to be actual justice. Vengeance and justice aren't the same thing. Where do I stand? Well I don't like ZeRo. I'm personally never going to be cool with him, nor will I ever support or watch his videos. But I do feel he should be allowed to make videos so long as he never does it again. There's much worse people on youtube, and people who are still offending to be riled up against, even in just the smash community there's far worse active members like Nero. So I pick and choose my battle. ZeRo was pretty harshly punished, and stayed gone for a long time. So at this point, he's served his sentence better than most, and seemed to have genuinely learned the lesson. Only time will tell if being forgiving is right or wrong here.
@@christomanci Actions speak louder than words. I'd rather he correct the behavior, than pay lip service you neither mean nor will full through on. This is years old and he has never re-offended. That's more than enough for me.
Turns out that being a sub-par human being nobody cares about and suddenly blowing up to so much fame makes people unwise since their rise isn't gradual.
Wild that the Ice Cube Defense Force is still coming to this video trying to exonerate suicide-baiter-extraordinaire Zero who's been blatantly lying about his grooming allegation since 2020.
@@Kenryckpedo or not, he still groomed a 14 year old and used his platform in a gross and manipulative way. The way he's been behaving highlighted near the end of the video clearly shows that he's still trying to sweep his horrible actions under the rug- if we let this slide, there's a high chance he'll do something like this again to someone else in the future
@@SuperRavingRabbid64 If you seriously think someone who hasn't offended in the past 9yrs since he was young and stupid and is married to an adult is a serious current danger, then I really don't know what to tell you
Prior to watching this documentary, I believed that everything was settled because of the lawsuit, but now I realize that it never actually addressed the Katie allegations. I think for the average person, it's easy to gloss over details like this when things are worded in such a way to divert attention from the main topic, and unfortunately I fell victim to this diversion. Another reason is because of Zero's new look. He appears as a new person with a greater sense of self-esteem and charismatic individuals can also be some of the best to deceive others. I certainly hope that's not what is going on, but unless the Katie allegations are fully addressed, I have no reason to believe otherwise.
To be devils advocate though, neither zero nor technicals denied/covered up Katie. They both said in the zero video that it was inexcusable and the one bad deed he truly did, he received no nudes though nor did he attempt to meet so it was just creepy words on Skype
i wouldnt say ur being devils advocate, i think ur just stating what is happening because some people want to stir up some weird narrative. Zero and Tech addressed this, Zero still takes accountability for it but hes moving on to becoming a better person. Why would you stay a garbage human? wouldnt you want to change everything that formed that toxic bubble, pop it reinvent yourself.... i dont know what will satisfy you people, do you guys want someone to be repenting their whole lives by apologizing 24/7, disappearing from the internet im so confused please someone tell me what someone has to do to appeal to fucking randoms on the internet that have nothing to do with the incident XDDDDDD????@@professorpvp good on your for not being a dumbass.
Despite one technicals shown to Defend Multiple abusers and rapist and shown to Not care about the victims And instead blame them so no I don’t believe in zero or technicals Both of them are scumbag and lairs
Do Cinnpie next please She has been protected and ignored for too long and the evidence was damning from the start and she even self snitched. Arguably, her offenses were the worst of all, ten year age gap with a minor when she was like 24.
I get so excited when a new one of your videos is posted! Even when the topic is not something that I am "in the know" on every single one of your videos has been told in a very comprehensive & informative way that makes me go and look into the situation for myself. I've learned over time that you present a very fair, balanced and concise story while making it incredibly compelling. I would love to see you and SWOOP do a colab on a long-form video. Thanks for anther great documentary! I don't know if you have asperations to do any mainstream docs but if so I can definitely see you doing incredibly well with your talent of engaging the audience, natural storytelling ability & commitment to investigate the topic thoroughly.
@@再 That's what he said afterwards, but why would he still lie (about the fact he knew katie was 14) and kinda try to defend himself in the letter too. It looks like he tried to downplay it while portraying himself as a victim and distracting from what he really did. Then he made it look like he sd'ed to get even more compassion (or he really tried to, because he knew he was fucked). Ultimatley he changed his mind and said the sd letter was not true and he was backed into a corner to completely switch places from perpetrator to victim. And now he continues to make money out of his youtube, because this is the only thing he can possibly do. He just keeps lying to save his own ass. And let's pretend that katie was not real or 18+; do you know how the police tries to catch child predators? They pretend to be underage in chats. zero still thought he texted with an underage girl so his intentions were clear. We all make mistakes, yes. But this man is a child predator, a liar and people shouldn't forgive him so easily. The worst thing for me is that he took advantage of his fame to manipulate an underage girl for his sexual desires. I really can't understand why people like you are still defending him.
Never heard of this guy (I've never played any Smash game or watched Smash content) but wow that was a lot to take in. Your second video I've watched and I appreciate the work you've put into them BlackWolfCompany.
It seriously, really unsettles me that he's trying to hunt katie down, this random anonymous girl, to both sue, and enact some sort of revenge against her, as if he's the victim; when he never disproved or even claimed that the screenshots were fake. That is. Fucked. That bothers me. That's disgusting.
Honestly that Katie situation is suspicious. Like why are you able to ruin a man's career and life while also remaining anonymous? That's stupid. Why would Katie conspire with Jisu? A known liar and opportunist. Katie could've chosen anybody else but, Jisu? Honestly could be a setup because Jisu wanted to take advantage of cases and crown herself as a queen of justice. But, she's just a known liar, greedy for money, attention and not someone to take seriously. Either way hope this Katie person gets help, and lives in peace. I hope she just made some mistake and that Jisu retweeted her story, etc was just a coincidence. I don't want to say Katie doesn't deserve peace, I iust find it suspicious. Jisu is really shady.
@@juanmjxmy problem is Katie dodging anybody trying to get her side of the story (including zero's lawyers). People try to say that's victim blaming but if your story is true you would do anything to prove your case. Unless she decides to stop hiding and give us her side I can't make a decision
What’s crazy is my ex boyfriend is pretty prominent in the smash community and he used to play ZeRo in practices and stuff. We used to talk a lot with each other about the sexual deviants that are in the Smash community. There’s a whole Wikipedia page dedicated to listing out all the people who have been banned from playing SSB competitively due to them doing sexually messed up stuff to people (women, men, children, etc.)
Honestly uploader dude, Ive never seen your content before watching this video But. You are the biggest breath of fresh air I have had in a while. Thank you... The Smash community as a whole has been alarmingly forgiving of ZeRo lately, largely due to the movement heralded by Technicals which seeks to vindicate ZeRo in part while further damning Nairo I'd love to see more of your input on this as you are literally the only hint of rationality I have seen in the murky waters of the cesspit the Smash community has become
@@Fredfazbear1983 Here we go again thinking Im defending Nairo 🙄 Re-read my comment bruh, fully with ya there My issue is that Technicals acts like Zero aint one too
You must live on marss the huge majority of the smash community hate zero. The dude can't even post anything online without a wave of hate. tech videos proves the bias in the community if anything nairo is the one who is forgiven for doing a ACTUAL crime. Zero is at best a creep for doing creepy shit 10 years ago.
@@themovieshow8921 Zero would have done worse At least Nairo has it that he was raped (The first night, not the second) Fortunately Zero never found any unsupervised 14 year old girls at the Smash hotel Still dont know what Zack's parents were thinking with that one
It's so infuriating in ways I can't even articulate how positive the reception for his return videos is. He's managed to manipulate so many people into believing he had done nothing of moral objectionability.
People want to give him the benefit of the doubt, he was their hero "Nothing can be proved. Katie doesnt exist" Meanwhile anybody who is being honest with themselves will see the situation for what it is I dont even care if someone wants to support Zero at this point, I just want people to act like Katie was a nothing. It was a huge mistake that Zero did make. Its not nothing And also Zero really needs to stop acting like he's going to gain the spotlike back. That's like thinking Cinnpie is going to come back and commentate a major Idc if Puppeh forgave her, some things do expel you from the mainstream, especially w Smash being a kids community Zero needs to understand that
he did? I thought we all knew what he did, an just figured bein kicked out the scene an shat on was enough, brodie def can't get around no kids in the scene no more so what more do we want, for em to die? Dudes a PoS that fucked up no doubt but idk what else I'm supposed to want from em tbh, I don't rly care that he still exists, an I don't rly wish death on anyone so at least for me personally, I can't really imagine what I'm supposed to care about
@@itscuzimblack6672 Just not letting him reach his former glory. He was trying to be buddy with Ludwig a little while ago, while at the same time trying to silence Katie He hasn't learned his lesson and thinks he can make some kind of comeback. Ludwig is one of Smash's most respected community members, if not the #1 most respected and ZeRo would be right there up with him had the Katie allegations not come to light I think ZeRo expects us to forget about it. He can post on YT all he likes but were not going to forget, and were not letting him in the boxing ring w Ludwig or anything like that, ever
@@hocuspocus5256 I see I see, well that first paragraph alone is pretty concerning actually. I don't mind the man livin his life, but he insists on continuing to show concerning behavior givin his history then, maybe he doesn't even need what little platform he has left tbh
I haven’t really watched zero since this drama despite me being a huge fan before. I’m mixed on the whole situation and him denying the Katie stuff while showing no evidence rubs me the wrong way.
TBH I kinda dont care. Since zero is retired and this happened many many years ago and isn't an active threat and its the ultimate crowd so whatever. What I do care about is the fact Jisu and Leffen are still allowed in the scene and just accepted as if they did nothing wrong. Does nobody remember the Mew2King accusation? Where Jason crying and shaking had to make a very embarrassing video explaining how the accusation was wrong and physically impossible? Those 2 should have been banned instantly for that one. M2K wasn't the only one hit with false allegations spread by Jisu, and leffen but primarily jisu, that was just the biggest one. Look Hax$'s evidence dot zip 2 or whatever was insane. It was peak schizo-posting but to say he didn't have some valid points is wrong. Leffen is bad for the smash community. He tried to hi-jack the "MeToo" movement for personal gain.
Well also, zero was remorseful, and yet Jisu continued to try to encourage him to end his own life. I don't really blame him for doing the 180. As far as I'm concerned the man has suffered enough.
@@Crusina I mean I kinda do, I can choose not to harass him. You are right though I cannot control others, but if your goal is to make him suffer as much as possible don't for a minute think you're morally in the right. Broadly speaking, harassing people, encouraging them to take their own lives, bullying, etc. does not make you a good person.
@@shuikai272Pedo's should go to prison. Digital, or physical pedophilia is still pedophilia. The people who are still angry want that to be expressed. Just because he won the court case does not clear his name, while he is almost expunged from any wrongdoing. Such heinous crimes should put him on a sex offenders registry. Ending his life would be too easy a price to pay. Instead he should be forced to wear the branding of 'Ice Cube Creep' for the rest of his life, and should not be accepted back into the smash community, or any community where he could possibly influence, or interact with minors or impressionable minds.
BlackWolfCompany is the new big guy in commentary, he's the one pulling out all the Aces with this shocking information nearer the end Loved your analysis of the lawsuit, and of course the video as a whole. Keep up the amazing work 🤝
This video doesn't add anything to the equation if anything it's just fuel on zero for 10 year old actions on a anonymous person that he already pled guility to.
All this video did was wonder why ZeRo didn't address the Katie thing in court, when the answer is that he can't sue Jisu for something that Katie said. Really didn't add anything of value to the drama
@@Kenryck the entire purpose of the lawsuit was to subpoena Katie via forcing Jisu to prove validity of the katie claim (likely, Katie was one if the Jane/John Does listed in the case) - iirc this WAS on the original claims, but was later dropped. It wouldve worked if it were executed better and with more appreciation for the nuances of American defamation law. This even aside, the major players in the drama werent able to keep focus like this video did.
@@Gliccit Doubt it, ZeRo straight up TOLD people he was guilty of everything Katie said, so it probably wouldn't even be possible to sue anyone for defamation over the things she said even though he retracted his confession later. Tech's original video did the job fine, people only had issues with it cause he didn't condemn the messages hard enough, I guess
Indeed, it is heavily biased against Zero. Somewhat fair about Jisu’s actions, but holds no accountability for Leffen feigning victimhood to cancel Zero.
@@dibblemcbibble2787 not really, following someone doesn’t mean you endorse him, unless you’re arguing that trump reply guys who try to ratio him on Twitter endorse him
@@Fredfazbear1983 He liked his tweets as well and there's a big line between passively following a politican and following a guy who's entire message is to treat women like actual slaves and that beating them is okay lmao. Again this is a functional adult thing you may not get
@@dibblemcbibble2787 most of the stuff he likes from him is the self help stuff, which I don’t have a problem with, as well as a tweet that states that most people would rather want Tate to be a human trafficker than him not be one, which is not incorrect. So I don’t get what you’re saying
I mean there's a few consequences, like losing your sponsorships, your income, your twitch banned, harassment, jisu encouraging zero to kill himself, zero attempting suicide, like damn zero consequences? Lol Idk man the guy with less consequences is nairo and he actually did it with a kid twice. Zero just allegedly asked her to do it with an ice cube when he was 19.
Agreed. Amended the title to the original working title to better reflect the contents of the video. Might possibly look into the Nairo story in the future; there are so many stories in that community
Thank you for reminding folks of the very real attempt of isolating and pushing of Zero to self harm. We can hold someone accountable without resorting to disgusting means.
@@bwc I appreciate the admission that the initial framing was over the top. He certainly experienced negative consequences, even if we ignore the claims made by ZeRo himself without any corroborating evidence. (Although that "I admit it" twit longer read like a suicide note in real time to me). I think he was manipulating Katie and that wasn't a good look for him, but I think highlighting the "teasing' as "flirting" is a bit much sometimes. Some guys tease. That's what we do. When I do that I'm not consciously "flirting" with anyone. Granted, I also don't do it to 14 year olds so I can see the difference. His interactions with "Katie" were inappropriate but they seem like a very weak incident to hold over his head years later. And who knows? It's possible he actually _does_ have information that puts his actions in a different light that he hasn't released A larger problem I see is that we expect teenagers to gain "maturity" in a linear fashion as they get older and that's not the case. ZeRo highlighting his bullying and social awkwardness is actually useful information because they indicate he may have been less "developed" for his age. The flip side of that it there are people who are more developed, The idea that some kind of switch is fliped in an individual's mind the instant they turn 18 is false. They're the same person they were before that magic birthday and their learning and personality development will continue at the same rate as befoee. Folks on the internet love the meme "a person's brain isn't fully developed until they're 25" and that's also false. I've never been able to nail down what "fully developed" actually means amd why 25 is a magic age. As someone who is 42 I can from personal experience say your mind and how one views the world keeps changing after that age. The people who push that meme never seem to consider that _making bad decisions prior to that age_ is the main thing that helps development in the first place. I never did anything sexual with a minor, or even person of my own age, but there are things I did I'm not proud of. It's all part of "live and learn". As I said I think the requests he made of "Katie" were inappropriate and he hassuffered negative consequences for them and continues to to this day. At this point I'm not sure what more people want from? A groveling admission? What does that change? And we have to keep in mind that he *may actually* have evidence that completely changes to framing of their interaction. I personally doubt that but it's a possibility that's being ignored. As far as we know he's doing nothing of the sort since so it appears he's learned a lesson. Their interactions are cringy but nothing in what we've seen is explicitly illegal. It's been what? 7 years? It may be time for ZeRo's critics to move on to other people who have and continue to do much worse than ask for inappropriate pictures they don't receive. A long form examination of Jisu and her "truth-be-damned" attack on ZeRo might be worth looking into more. Not everyone who presents themselves as being on the side of good actually is. Manipulative predators will use the current vogue for exposing manipulative predators to manipulated and prey on others. Just because someone is speaking the "righr" language doesn't mean they have the right motives
@@BiggieTrismegistus Zero was trying to make katie his routine, weekly sex object He only didnt get pics because Katie said no. He was literally pushing for routine sex object A 14 year old His chats were beyond suspect, he should be thanking god every day he is not a registered offender after pulling that stint.
@@hocuspocus5256 He did not succeed in turning her or seemingly anyone else into a biweekly sex object. That was 7 years ago and there are no indications he's done anything of the sort sense. Once again I ask what could he do that we be "good enoigh" for you?
watching this a year later, I was vaguely aware of what happened but never looked into it, but talk of Zero popped up on a reddit thread I saw recently so I started looking around, I read the joint statement and didn't think it was strong enough to exonerate him even though he seemingly paraded it around as such. good compilation here.
I have never heard of this man before today. I actually saw a video of his right before this video, because of a gaming topic I was looking up. And when I saw the thumbnail, I was deciding whether not this was the same guy whose video I’m currently watching. So I click on this video and it was the same guy🤢 crazy how the algorithm wants me to know this guy isn’t just what he wants you to believe
@@CrazyDiamond13332 Technicals tried to downplay and basically say that what ZeRo did wasn't a big deal and WELCOMED HIM BACK TO A COMMUNITY OF CHILDREN. Where he could re-offend.
I feel bad for having resubbed to him out of a false belief that he was somehow innocent, and blindly believing Technicals, a ZeRo defender, after he proved his worth by exposing Nairo, and therefore led me to believing that he was credible enough to bring ZeRo to justice. Thank you for this giant video of understanding on the matter, so that I can now fully make my stance clear.
I dropped Technicals and all faith in him since he started advertising ltg to his viewers and the spitefully critical community he attracted. Low tier God is seriously a bad character to associate yourself with, dude is so openly racist, homophobic, rapist vibes, and he's just a man baby who fucking sucks at video games anyway. And that's weird, there's videos of Ltg roasts on Tech's channel. Made no fucking sense
Proved his worth? Bro that mf lied on the nairo vídeo the same way he lied on the zero video, he never mentions the evidence showing Zack being the assaulter
Oh my god I felt like I was going crazy. It was always odd the way they addressed Katie when zero came back to clean his image. I think the Smash community at large needs to think and even talk about these topics more often. Edit: Also Technicals and ZeRo have not addressed anything said in this video (let alone the video itself) at all to my knowledge so this really is not a good look for either of em.
ZeRo fans in the recent comments coping about how the mfker has moved on/changed for the better. But that shit dont mean he should be wholeheartedly forgiven for it, its clear this mfker does not care for the people he hurt. I get that this guy had a fucked up past, but his past does not justify his actions, we can use that to UNDERSTAND why he did it but not USE it as justification for his shitty actions.
u dont have to justify or condone someones actions to forgive them. forgiveness =/= pardoning someone, i don't care for him since he's backpedaling on taking responsibility but forgiving someone doesnt mean forgetting their past.
It's up to you if you think he's a piece of shit forever. I just personally don't think a mistake someone made 9yrs ago when they were young and stupid makes up someone's entire character
It's clear that he did something very wrong and illegal and must pay in a way, but are you gonna point him for rest of the time?, don't anyone have the right to change when they do something wrong?
Knowing from witnessing previous content creators get exposed for doing this exact kind of shit gave me enough insight to know that ZeRo checks off an uncomfortable amount of marks of being a creep. Oddly passionate about proving himself innocent to the point it becomes predatory? Check. Takes what's essentially a legal truce for both sides as a win when it isn't? Check. Brought up his trauma to try and gain himself pity as if he didn't traumatize a little girl? Check. Keeps deflecting and going off in other directions instead of addressing the actual problem, a big sign that someone is guilty of doing that thing? Check. You wouldn't think I would learn the patterns from Twitter of all places, but the FNF community back when it started was something else.
This is an excellent and very well put together video. I never was able to get a defined take on the ZeRo situation because evidence was so scattered, but you nailed it and showed him for who he truly is. Throughout this video I've felt nothing but sadness for all those girls who are blatantly victims of his actions.. I hope they find peace, because it's going to be traumatic later in life as a adult to recall this.
Its crazy how he used katie's anonymity as a shield with the return vid when he didn't even mention katie at all in the lawsuit. Then on top of that promoted the fake katie thread as though it meant something. He did all of that shit without a doubt😭
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I’m like 90% sure at the moment the stuff Katie said was true, ZeRo should should just admit and apologize smh. Plus ZeRo’s lawsuit with Jisu definitely wasn’t a win by ZeRo
Go rewatch his response to allegation video. He chooses his words pretty carefully. I was watching a Augie stream and he points out that he doesnt dent the Katie allegations, which is him asking for images from a minor. He denies doing everything else from a minor accept that. He also make sure to emphasize that he never interacted with a minor with the ONLY intention to groom them. He emphasizes the word only.
The truth is almost always somewhere in between. In my opinion, going from what we have, I would like to make a claim that perhaps not everything in Katie's statement is accurate, but simultaneously, that which is not accurate is not made with malice and deceit. I think that, given the timeframe of events and possible memory gaps, some events may be misremembered. Clearly, something seems to have taken place, and the case truly deserves a much more critical look. I am not going to say that ZeRo is innocent here. Far from it. But, I do not believe he is a paedophile.
Something always felt off with the way ZeRo came back, with a video just saying basically that everything has been taken care of legally, so he's good to go and not be questioned about anything anymore? It didn't sit right. And all his fans still wear rose colored glasses proudly without a second thought about anything.
We need people like you to keep shining lights on stories like this, never forget the character of these people beyond their pedophilic actions, because they’re always terrible people among that
ZeRo... Was my hero and I cried when these things came to light. That was why I was trying to learn Smash and wanted to play as a pro but after this, I stopped playing and anything related to smash makes me feel sick physically and mentally. ZeRo was my hero...
Yeah at first i was a bit happy when he returned and wasnt suicidal but looking at him and his recent tweets, i dont know if he feels any remorse at all for what happened and gives me strong vibes of a douchebag. he also posts on social media waaay too much for someone who was in his situation. but yeah that whole situation has yet to have been really addressed
So I feel there's something to be said here. 1) The notion ZeRO got away with anything is wrong. For every commenter who thinks this, you're objectively wrong here. ZeRo was punished, he was given a life-time ban from smash, he was shunned by the entire internet. His life was more or less ruined by his own actions, as well as malicious lies and a conspiracy by Jisu and Leffen. They OBJECTIVELY lied, and many others have spoken out against them. So while ZeRo absolutely crossed the moral line with Katie, that's the only real allegation that has any merit. The rest are just malicious actions by Jisu and Leffen. And ZeRo was heavily punished for his actions with Katie. 2) ZeRo seems to have never re-offended. He hasn't done anything with any other minors, and the worst he did was try to get nudes. While utterly wrong and immoral, and completely unacceptable...Does that really mean that he should never have a public platform? Especially when he's actually not re-offended over the MANY years? How long of a punishment is actually fair for what he objectively did, and how much of what people want is just pure spiteful vengeance? 3) We need to make up our minds. Do we want people to correct their behavior after being punished, or do we just want to cast them aside, forever punishing them with no chance to become functioning members of society? Should every crime result in life-time prison or the death penalty, or are crimes much more nuanced, and each case need to be properly examined to determine a fair and just punishment? That's a really heavy question and I don't remotely feel qualified to answer this. 4) I do not in any way support ZeRo, watch ZeRo, or like him. I do not say he's a perfect saint whos a beacon of hope. No, but what I am saying is if we've established ZeRo was actually indeed punished, and hasn't re-offended over the years...Than I kinda don't see a reason to continue to forever punish him, or deplatform him at this point. Even if he contests the accusations, that really doesn't deserve deplatforming. And when you remember that two out of three of the main people accusing him conspired and lied about him, to harm him....I could actually see that ZeRo could reasonably believe the accusations are false. Even screenshots aren't as ironclad as we might think, since you could fairly easily photoshop them. (Again, I am NOT saying Katie did. I genuinely believe he is indeed guilty of crossing that line with Katie. I am simply pointing out that ZeRo could reasonably believe that he was the victim of a malicious smear campaign, because he actually was.) All of this really raises the question of how we perceive the case. 5) Lastly, there's a lot of details surrounding this case that could alter how you perceive it. For instance, ZeRo was a very socially ackward person who lacked the normal social skills most others have. People who lived with him during that period actively came foward to point this out. And all the weird stuff he did. ZeRo also didn't come from the US, which is further likely why he didn't understand social norms. ZeRo could reasonably not understand what he was doing was wrong. And it could've been a genuine lack of understanding. This doesn't excuse him, but it DOES provide us with a potential deeper understanding of ZeRo. It also would explain why after the very real consequences, he has never re-offended. Because he probably learned how unacceptable that behavior was, and so never repeated it. Details like this aren't trivial stuff, rather its stuff that could alter the perception. I know people are not going to like my response here, and accuse me of supporting ZeRo etc etc. But that can't be further from the truth, I'm a fairly hardlined person when it comes to the subject. I don't play smash, never watched or supported ZeRo as I didn't even know smash was a thing until recent years. Rather, I just feel there's some truths to be said here which conflict with the narrative people push. I feel ZeRo was suitably punished for what he did, served his punishment and has never re-offended. So I can't see deplatforming him as a good thing, but a dangerous precedent that we don't want people to reform their behavior, we want them gone forever. And I feel that'd be a grave misjustice. People can turn their life around. One of my absolute favorite channels is "jay williams let's live life". He's an ex-convict with a fair extensive criminal past, serving more than 10+ years in prison. Now he runs a company, has a family, runs a channel telling stories from his life so that people can learn what not to do. So that he can convince people to avoid crime, and avoid going to prison. He is a rare success story of a hardened criminal reforming their life, becoming a better man and part of society. I cannot imagine removing him based on crimes years in the past he was punished for, served his sentence, and beaten the odds by turning his life around. It has challenged my views that people can't change, because...Well they can. So I've started to try to give people the benefit of the doubt, as long as they show they've not re-offended, I'm willing to give a second chance. So let me know what you think, should reformation and justice be the goal or not?
@@lilac2238 Yes, I agree. He should've known better. But that doesn't mean he DID know better. Don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity. I think I made it clear I wasn't looking to make excuses for him. I mean I outright condemned his actions in no uncertain term. I was simply providing more information, and posing the question of how much punishment fits the crime.
@@NeiasaurusCreations But zero clearly doesn't feel bad about it, or even admit he did any wrong after he retracted his confession, participated in the technicals video which was essentially a giant whataboutism which used nairo to defend zero, made jokes about the situation, and overall he just seems like an unapologetic piece of trash about the whole thing.
@@Riley-u8m 1) Feeling bad isn't required to change one's life. And you're also literally incapable of proving this. You're literally just assuming he doesn't feel bad. Which is fine, but I'm not one to judge people based on speculation. 2) I don't care if he doesn't feel bad. I don't care he doesn't "admit" to doing wrong. I care about his actual actions. He has never re-offended. That is the really important and key issue. Is he still a danger to others, and I'd say no. Over the last few YEARS no one else has come forward accusing ZeRo. And there is 0 evidence to suggest he has ever done the actions again. Which ultimately is what our goal should be, to get people to reform their actions. I am not someone who is going to say someone deserves to never be allowed to have a life again, even when they've reformed their behavior. Dude has been clean for years at this point. I'm not sure what more you could want. ZeRo seems to be the poster boy for those who made a seriously bad choice, and than turned their life around. I am not in ZeRo's head, I don't know what he feels or thinks. I don't talk to him, I'm not a fan or supporter. What I know is that there is factually no evidence to suggest he has ever crossed the line with another minor after the Katie situation. From all the evidence, it appears to me he has changed the actual behavior, and turned his life around. That's really all I personally want from justice. They face punishment, than they turn their life around. I don't care if they admit to guilt, or feel bad. While that would be nice, as long as the actual harmful behavior is over, I am more than okay with a person having a life after.
The pattern with such abusers is to re-offend when they think they can get away with it. I think once you've abused a minor online you should not participate in online spaces anymore, regardless of whether you think you won't do it again. It is not necessary to this man's life to remain on social media; he would have to find a job offline and live a private life. Online fame with access to young fans is not a human right. Leaving someone in that position of power is not the way to go. I appreciate your takes and questions, so I figured I'd offer you a differing opinion. Edit; I want to add that I don't think fame has been very good for this nan's health and state of mind. If anything it probably served to warp his view of what's normal even further. He would personally be better off living a private life, IMO.
@@collectorsforecast1132 what is any of that supposed to convey to the listener? this vid is filled to the brim with well-communicated information except when it comes to all that. tech's vid in particular was a huge part of this, it's so skimmed over here
@Captain Heropon that's a question for BWC. I can only assume that portion is just a transition to the next part of the video and display the Twitter argument about the whole situation that allowed ZeRo to quietly sneak away. I think he mentioned the Twitter argument before that clip starts.
crazy how people say we defend zero when we simply ask the community to treat nairo with the same scrutiny that we did with zero especially considering the shit that was uncovered with nairo and zack publicly flirting on twitter.
The thing with Nairo isn't as clear cut as with Zer0 tho. For all we could know Nairo was actually stupid enough to let himself be blackmailed by Zack as that dude did the same with Ally. He's rightfully banned but the mixed reaction to him especially when he was the first one to go against the allegations was his whole PR stunt with his legal document that a bunch of figure heads saw and found to be plausible wasn't giving anyone a black and white answer to his case. Zer0 was caught red handed with grooming a 9th grader fan by abusing his top player status and tried doing damage control on the whole thing by lying about and letting out certain details that showed the really bad shit and all of it was so public and obvious to anyone with common sense. Furthermore Nairo has just adressed the situation and then went back to streaming in his own corner and not getting into further controversy while Zer0 returned by playing edgy banned player heel, started to enter and host tournaments with known predators, domestic perpetrators, racists, trans- and homophobes, made multiple clickbait attack videos against the community and lied to his audience on multiple occasions be it "winning" the lawsuit or the fact that Katie was apperently "a setup". Nairo ain't no angel in any of this with Zack even in the best case scenario for him but the fact that we do not know how everything about their situation transpired compared to Zer0's and that Zer0 couldn't leave it behind him or atleast actually own up to mentally scarring that girl for life and rather made everything only worse by going digitally after her is kind of why he's perceived as worse.
I find jisu to be not only spiteful but trying to piggy back him for success zero is a horrible person but it's pretty obvious when you read the document. I remember reading it when it first came out and thought the same thing. I also think black wolf company you should really look into leffen and her They are both NOT Good people. They have a extremely history of being narcist along with lying a lot with ego issues plus trying to gain clout any means necessary. Jisu I think was using katie in her vendetta.
ZeRo legit expressed more (most likely fabricated) remorse about "not knowing" the characters of two other people in the community than he did for sexually abusing a minor.
It’s shit like this that prevents the Smash Community from being truly respected and it’s why I only follow Melee. This whole mess with Zero’s intention to skirt around any blame along with Jisu being an actual snake just shows that these people were left unchecked until it was too late, all over a fucking hypocritical twitlonger and venomous response. I fully support Katie and hope she gets that apology but posting that story for the world to see is never the right choice. I think it should have been kept private and discussed only between her, Zero, and any other party/legal team or what have you to settle/apologize about this conflict/incident and what ever else but now Zero is just trying to hunt her down over it and he’ll probably never apologize now unfortunately, it also gave Jisu a reason to push an agenda we’ll never really understand. I thought we were all here to smash and have money matches.
1:13:32 My opinion has always been that people do incredibly bad shit when they are young and need a chance at redemption. However the internet most certainly does not let go of these things so easily. Remember callmecarson got completely destroyed over a 2 year age gap, and plenty of other examples of people doing much less horrific shit THEY APOLOGIZED for and it changed absolutely nothing. The idea of forgiveness has slowly withered away completely over time. That being said zero handled this absolutely horribly.
Technicals' own brother PixelDrink did very similar things, sending nudes, drawing himself with kids in adult situations... and asked for nudes from chidlren too. So he naturally defended ZeRo because he and his brother were guilty of very similar things.
@@Fredfazbear1983 ... how was it debunked? PixelDrink's nudes and pictures of his nudes in that chat are out there. Technicals admitted it happened, PixelDrink, admitted, it happened. They tried to downplay it as him being "silly silly haha" when in fact he was sending pictures of his dick to minors, and then drawing himself having sex with them. Were the drawings bad? Yeah. But the intent was there.
Personally I think that ZeRo just completely gave up knowing that once the allegations were out there wasn't going to be much that he could do to prove the things he did and the things he didn't do so he just gave into it all. Owning up to the things he did do, as well as the things he didn't do. ZeRo has always just seemed like that kind of guy. Then again, this video really brings a lot of extra things to light. I genuinely just don't know what to believe anymore.
That's literally what he wants you to think though, is the problem. It isn't a thing to "give up" and make a suicide note that confesses to things that are false. Both Zero and Tech and Zero's lawyers found the best way that they could frame the narrative in Zero's favor. It was a months-long plan that they were working on to manipulate the situation and perception of people.
@@JusRed48 "It isn't a thing to "give up" and make a suicide note that confesses to things that are false." I quite literally is. Suicidal people aren't sound of mind.
@@babulbi If its false why doesnt he have his lawyers correct the judge, as witnessed in this video? Is he still going through that narrative? Still so depressed that he decides to threaten Katie into silence while telling the judge "Yeah Im not going to deny what happened with Katie... they wouldnt believe me anyways... F it, I did it JUDGE I TRIED TO GROOM HER" While his lawyer just sits there like "Yeah, this is depression. Its okay, were here for you Zero" Is that our narrative? Zero is just continuing the lies even with his legal team out of self sabotage Why the F is he not just telling his lawyers , the court, and the judge that it never happened, Katie doesnt exist, and that its all lies The answer is pretty obvious. Because it isnt all lies. Katie does exist.
He did this like 6-7 years ago when he was 18, I get that what he did was horrible but like this was his worst moment ever and doesn’t reflect who he is now.
He run awy from addressing Katie fully and he addressing by picking and chosing but he should of not run away but he did and saldy it did not blow up to much as it supost to he never got fully punishment even do the girl did say she was 14-15 and why he run awy form that is not known even fact he did not admit fully Katie's statement and he was lat free some way it is not nice
people just want their goodies. some people think that rkelly is innocent because they grew up with his music. you always see these people in comment sections of his music. same thing happens with jackson.
ZeRo didn't. Firstly he was removed from the Smash community's ability to ever compete. He was also flamed heavily, and stayed gone for a long time. He has never re-offended to my knowledge. So he's basically been punished, served his sentence, and seems to have learned and bettered himself. Isn't that ultimately the goal? To make people correct their behavior, and to avoid it in the future? Because if that's the case, if "justice" is what we're going for, ZeRo is actually a good example. I don't personally like, nor support him. But I feel as long as he continues to not offend, that ZeRo should be fine to make videos again. Punishments for what he did shouldn't be life-time deplatforming, or anything. Because what he did while wrong and inexcusable, is actually fairly light. Especially compared to other figures who are still on the platform, or in the smash community. Niro literally had s*x with a child, and is still active and defended by smash and facing no punishment for it. So I kinda think we have more pressing people to worry about than someone who hasn't done anything like it in years, and made a positive change.
A guy named Technicals defended him, because Technical's own brother (PixelDrink) did VERY SIMILAR things so Technical's ended up defending a lot of child predators.
@@ErgonomicChair The accusations against his brother are immensely weak. And that's not why he defended ZeRo. He "defended" ZeRo ONLY on the accusations that are objectively false from Jisu and Leffen. I can tell you never watched that video. He outright condemned ZeRo for his actions with Katie. The only 'defense' was the false accusations by Jisu and Leffen. ZeRo was already punished for Katie, and has never re-offended. I believe in giving people a second chance, as I think anyone is capable of turning their life around. And the goal of punishment is to correct behavior. Not to be forever spiteful.
I think the prime reason nintendo does not want to deal with the smash community anymore it's probably cause there tired of this and mostly cause it's a party game.
He thinks he’s a bad ass because he lost some weight and got some contacts. I am sick of people getting away with these awful, dangerous behaviors and actions.
@@snomanking2chennal869 Nairo and ZeRo are, ZeRo doesn't want to go back in the community, the community bansihed him and Nairo is innocnet, but doesn't want to back so leave them alone
His story trying to disregard his confession because it's a "suicide letter" and he self-sabotaged makes no sense honestly. It makes the whole suicide report that he and his girlfriend gave EE seem like potential manipulation of the situation in the first place and sounds like a very legally-aware manner of framing the confession in a way that would be in lawfully inadmissable if it were ever brought to a court of law. If you ever look into suicide notes and confessions, it is very rare for someone to "self-sabotage" and confess to things that DIDN'T HAPPEN. The whole basis is that they feel guilt, guilt comes from truth, not from lies.
I was wondering about that too. I don't know about the state of ZeRo's mental health. But I do know that he has used suicide as a way to reframe a damning piece of evidence against him so that he could continue putting out content for his young fanbase to consume and to threaten all sorts of litigious action. That does make it seem like a real possibility that the reported suicide attempt in March was a PR move.
legally he cant say he is sorry because it would automatically incriminate him. if its settled then both parties have conditions. needless to say settling it does not clear anyone of the actual situation and harrasment, it simply means they wont use the courts.
20:15 If you have to make a deal for you or your partner to be 'normal' in a romantic relationship, then you probably shouldn't be in that relationship.
I like it when the chronically online does not realize that young people can do something stupid but they grow out of it cause it happened so long ago. Probably because most chronically online people are young and have little to no life experience
didn't kiwiz do the exact same thing and ik by law if the gap is more than 5 years he would be classified as a pedo because the 19/14 this wasn't a high school senior dating a freshman 18/14 so can he be forgiven because this wouldn't fall under the Romeo and Juliet law which is 3-4 year gaps?
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If you're fully retired from youtube, that's totally undertsandable, but if not, talking about Leffen would be a great new ideas :D
If an adult tells a child: “it’ll be our little secret” something is very wrong and shouldn’t be ignored.
Should be addressed immediately or post haste
Exactly what the fight against teachers pushing trans in school is about. Saying parents have no right to know. It’ll be their little secret between them and the children
@@LiveFreeOrDie2A that is different though. The reason why teachers have the right to not tell parents their child is lgb is because some parents are abusive and will hurt their child if they find out. You clearly don't care about children
Yes, a 19 year old. Nice narrative.
@@zexoidx Yes that's an adult. Are you a fucking idiot?
The sad thing is that if Jisu hadn't poisoned the well so much with some of the false accusations, he wouldn't have been given a pass for so long.
Right? It also wouldn't have allowed Technicals to obfuscate all of the Katie stuff and paint it under the same brush.
A long form video on her unbelievable carelessness (to put it charitably) in this situation might be in order. I hope attempts to cancel her have been just as strenuous as the attempts on ZeRo. If we're going to take allegations like she made seriously we need to be assured that the person making them has their facts straight. Presenting an age difference of 2 years as 5 isn't even close. To me that suggests malevolence on her part.
@@BiggieTrismegistus That's the crazy part. It may LITERALLY have been her making shit up in order to cancel Zero and cash in herself.
Jisu could be an actual evil person
There's zero evidence to her story
But it brought Katie to her, and that was the ammunition she needed
Weird situation for sure
Jisu's allegations were a joke without evidence, and absolutely would be dismissed
Katie though? Ended Zero, and with good reason
Nah you can't blame it all on Jiisu. Technicals had good rhetoric and the commentary community handled it fucking poorly.
@@hocuspocus5256 Jisu is genuinely a bad person. She has constantly attempted scams and grifts. She has bullied people out of the Smash and art community several times. She has yet to actually be punished for any of this.
14:36 "She says ZeRo called her 'kitty', 'kitten'..."
Discord moderator moment.
this video is the definition of files on top of files
you never dropped your hit piece lil bro
@@HeroponMan ADDRESS THE ALLEGATIONS!!!!!!
When are we getting another vid William?
What do you mean?
@@dairemcHe means there is a lot of Evidence.
Insane that Technicals and Zero were parading around like ZeRo “won” the lawsuit when the Katie allegation remains uncontested
Literally like did they just forget about that shit???
It’s insane that Tech sunk his rep to ally with this guy.
@@blackout2846 Its frankly weird af. Tech wants so bad to send Nairo into the gutter, yet somehow seems to be a real bro when it comes to Zero
There's definitely more to the story we may never find out, or maybe Technicals really is that big of a troll
Either way, he is on one hand raising huge awareness about abuse in the Smash community... all the while forgiving and heralding one of it's worst offenders.
Super weird
@@hocuspocus5256 It's because Technicals' brother PixelDrink did similar things to children, even worse. So he comes to child predators' defense.
@@ErgonomicChair Yeah came across your other comments on this vid right after writing this, ironically
My intuition was right 🙄
What were teenagers and minors doing living in a house together?...some adults reallllllly dropped the ball here.
That’s some PDiddy level shit right there cuz I wouldn’t let my daughter leave the house 🏡
right? that's what makes all this even more gross
@@BugRaiser right where the fuck are the parents at?
@@__BlacklotuS__ idk bro users mom let him spend the night with PDiddy idk they Asian folks to they probably hella ashamed now
@@BugRaiser people are fucking weird man , parents do be selling their kids sometimes, cruel world we live in
Wonder how this would have panned out if Jisu had only focused on the Katie situation, or if Katie herself spearheaded the allegations. Zero would have no response to it. Instead the situation got more chaotic and lost focuse quickly.
Really good video.
The Katie thing only got discovered cause of Jisu spreading false allegations. She got lucky that someone actually had legitimate dirt on him
@@KenryckOMG! Do not tell me that Katie only shared her story with ZeRo on Twitter because she felt more confident after seeing that Jisu was spreading allegations.
@@ManuelPersona24 Not really the point I was making. Jisu went on a complete warpath and tried to cancel both Sky Williams and ZeRo with false allegations before she even knew Katie existed. Her getting lucky and running into someone who actually had shit on one of them doesn't make what she did any better
@@Kenryck100%
I'll admit I was ready to write this video off on the basis of ZeRo's traumatic past. My logic was "Well how can you expect someone to know between right and wrong when they never had it modeled for them as a child? No wonder he said those things. He was a victim of them himself and to him that must have been the norm."
But man I've never seen it laid out like this. The fact he KNEW she was underage and continued to ignore that fact, and then to imply his lawsuit being settled somehow clears his name is manipulative af. Thank you for this video.
Right.
Literally teamed w Technicals calling out Nairo for a "dirty lawsuit" whilst posing his own lawsuit as "did and done"
I imagine that he's so careful with his words to avoid outright lies and admission to illegal activity. I don't know if he's actually sorry or not, but I imagine he won't outright apologize because he'd end up admitting to some serious criminal acts that would get him in trouble. The tactic of "I'm legally innocent, so that means I didn't do anything wrong" is a practice I've seen people use to distance themselves from their crimes and avoid making admissions that would have possible legal repercussions.
imagine being willing to write it off. zero should an hero
@@name8329 sure buddy 💀
But you're ready to gobble down nairo huh
I never liked Zero, but now i really do not like him at all. What a disgusting human being
Absolutely agree! He is absolutely disgusting. He still takes no accountability yet he is free roaming the streets. He is a disgrace who is into children. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
i beat him before with zelda i was lmao
This video is stupid
the court case breakdown is amazing.
your tech hit piece would be amazing if you ever made content that wasn't dogpiling the lolcow of the week
Remember, he got away with it because of Technicals, who's own brother PixelDrink did extremely disgusting things with children himself and also got away with it. People like AugieRFC "forgave" PixelDrink and then became friends with Technicals "burying the hatchet" despite PixelDrink having been DOCUMENTED with screenshots sending nudes to children, drawing himself in s***ual situations with specific children, and asking for nudes from those children.
Technicals defended Zero because his brother did the same thing as Zero. Peopl like AugieRFC completely dropped this issue because they were "stressed out" from fighting with Technicals and Augie even said;
"Technicals explaiend to me why sending those pictures to a group wasn't as bad as sending it individually to children..."
Despite the fact PixelDrink sent pictures directly to children one on one, AND to a group of 2 dozen. Technicals is NOT a person you should trust, you should NOT welcome Zero back. You should treat Zero, Technicals, and PixelDrink all the same. They are predators/predator defenders.
@@ErgonomicChair so much misinfo in your comment
BWC has always been the commentary-journo chad
@@raf_underscore Name the misinformation. Name any of it. These were things both parties admitted to and there are screenshots of it all happening.
I'm so sick of Predators using their history of abuse and mental health issues to excuse their shitty actions.
I agree. The only thing here is ZeRo did stop himself from going even further with her and he was much younger at the time. I have to absolutely commend him for that, but he should still be held accountable for what he did. Still, it's crazy how the community still ostracized ZeRo, as they should, but Nairo gets a free pass, and what he did was arguably worse.
@@yusifudo46 nah zero is worse
@@Dontannoyme34894 Nairo literally had oral sex with a minor. Twice.
@@wesleyem3 He was raped in the first one, and then coerced. Yeah, the second one puts him solidly in ped territory
I'll bet if little Kate was running around at Smash events it wouldnt take a minor forcing themselves on Zero to get that far
Again, not excusing Nairo at all, but Zero wanted to make Katie his sex slave.
Zack was a rapist in the making after any d he could get, willing to lie, cheat, and steal AND blackmail for it. And yes, even rape for it
Katie? Oh, just an innocent 14 fan girl who wanted to tell Zero that she admired him.
I'd say Zero is worse
@@yusifudo46 Zero stopped because his 14 year old wasnt putting out
He tried, she said she wasn't comfortable
Man had to move on to bigger and better things 🙄
The fact that ppl try to defend Zero because "nothing happened"
Bruh. He tried making her his sex slave
Before I watch, I want to say that I really appreciate a thorough video explaining what happened to him. I always wondered but felt it best to avoid. I had started avidly watching him a few months before this happened and was so disappointed, the smash drama itself killing my temporary smash phase as I moved onto other things. Thanks for always having amazing videos! I'm gonna try to cram this in before I have to go to work lmao
Me and my bil started watching smash about a month before all this went down. Unsubscribed very fast and smash kinda died for us
That's what it was like for me, started to get into comp smash and ZeRo was my main guy to watch, loved his videos, then everything went down and it just dwindled all my interest in smash outside of playing it casually with my friends
This whole thing is what made me completely cut off anything to do with the Smash community (except 64 and Remix). It just kept going back and forth and it was so confusing, I realized almost no one really cared about any victims and used it for their own gain whether consciously or not. Just a circus as usual.
64 and the 5 active pro players
and this is any different from any of the toxic gaming communities how? their all toxic cesspools
@@name8329 at least those 5 players aren't grooming anyone lol
Yea I jumped out of the competitive smash community back in 2020 cuz of this
Your production quality is amazing as always, this deserves so much more attention
Totally agree
Before being called out with evidence: I'm so sorry. Is there anything I can do better?
After: As you can see, I'm the victim and they're all liars!
Funny how that works.
I mean, 90% of the claims against him were complete bullshit. He only conceded to some of them cause of the sheer amount of people that refused to hear his side
@@Kenryck Everyone wanted to read his side but his side was wrapping circles around nothingness. And you think that in that same google doc where he wrote about his dad beating the fuck out of his mom you think he was lying about his allegations he admitted to aswell. The delusion is real
@@bavingates2502 No? He admitted to it like a day after the google doc, he didn't even address all of Katie's allegations in the first one
@@Kenryck Yeah? And it wasnt until another person defended him where he realized he might have a chance and decided "Hey lets say they were lies now people will believe me" So fuck Technicals. People dont want them to be real so they wont. You know who else did this? The LeafyIsHere Fanbase! He brutally bullied Mentally ill, kids and just regular content creators but fans went "Its satire" to the people he bullied because they didnt want him being an awful human to be real.
@@bavingates2502 I can tell you know next to nothing about this case if you seriously think people weren't lying about ZeRo. Go watch the first 10 mins of Tech's original video and come back and say Jisu didn't spread any lies about him
the way people tried SOOO hard to “welcome back ZeRo” is fucking sickening
See, this isn't so white and black. There is a conversation to be had of how long any punishment should be. If a person has not re-offended, and the crime is simply being inappropriate with a single person many years ago...Is it okay to forever deny them the ability to make videos?
I don't have the answer. But I think in this case, as long as he continues to be on the straight and narrow, that he might deserve the second chance. Now if something else comes out, than if provable, yeah he probably doesn't belong on youtube.
There's a conversation to be had about second chances, and over-punishing people. Not all offenses are the same, and not all cases deserve the most extreme measures possible. We don't go around giving everyone who does anything wrong life in prison sentences, or the death penalty. The punishment has to fit the crime, and be fair to be actual justice. Vengeance and justice aren't the same thing.
Where do I stand? Well I don't like ZeRo. I'm personally never going to be cool with him, nor will I ever support or watch his videos. But I do feel he should be allowed to make videos so long as he never does it again. There's much worse people on youtube, and people who are still offending to be riled up against, even in just the smash community there's far worse active members like Nero. So I pick and choose my battle. ZeRo was pretty harshly punished, and stayed gone for a long time. So at this point, he's served his sentence better than most, and seemed to have genuinely learned the lesson. Only time will tell if being forgiving is right or wrong here.
the girl from destiny"s replys?????
Very true queen
@@NeiasaurusCreations how can you have learned your lesson when you wont admit responsibility for your actions
@@christomanci Actions speak louder than words. I'd rather he correct the behavior, than pay lip service you neither mean nor will full through on. This is years old and he has never re-offended. That's more than enough for me.
I’ve never understood why the Smash Bros community is filled with creepy dudes.
ikr
Turns out that being a sub-par human being nobody cares about and suddenly blowing up to so much fame makes people unwise since their rise isn't gradual.
because they have ready and easy access to children. It's a kids game, lots of kids play it, go to the tournaments, etc.
Most professional gamers are. They think they are athletes and deserve the love an attention because they can beat up virtual characters
I feel you but at the same time if you really look you realize that this type of stuff happens in multiple communities.
Wild that the Ice Cube Defense Force is still coming to this video trying to exonerate suicide-baiter-extraordinaire Zero who's been blatantly lying about his grooming allegation since 2020.
Nobody tried to exonerate him bro, the only debate is whether or not he's a pedo
@@Kenryckpedo or not, he still groomed a 14 year old and used his platform in a gross and manipulative way. The way he's been behaving highlighted near the end of the video clearly shows that he's still trying to sweep his horrible actions under the rug- if we let this slide, there's a high chance he'll do something like this again to someone else in the future
@@SuperRavingRabbid64 If you seriously think someone who hasn't offended in the past 9yrs since he was young and stupid and is married to an adult is a serious current danger, then I really don't know what to tell you
to say he was suicide baiting is idiotic, as if you did some research you would know that he did try to kill himself multiple times.
@@KenryckIf you think somebody can offend at any point in their life and be in society and not be a danger, then I really don't know what to tell you
Prior to watching this documentary, I believed that everything was settled because of the lawsuit, but now I realize that it never actually addressed the Katie allegations.
I think for the average person, it's easy to gloss over details like this when things are worded in such a way to divert attention from the main topic, and unfortunately I fell victim to this diversion. Another reason is because of Zero's new look. He appears as a new person with a greater sense of self-esteem and charismatic individuals can also be some of the best to deceive others. I certainly hope that's not what is going on, but unless the Katie allegations are fully addressed, I have no reason to believe otherwise.
Exactly--it's pretty insiduous when you think about it.
To be devils advocate though, neither zero nor technicals denied/covered up Katie. They both said in the zero video that it was inexcusable and the one bad deed he truly did, he received no nudes though nor did he attempt to meet so it was just creepy words on Skype
i wouldnt say ur being devils advocate, i think ur just stating what is happening because some people want to stir up some weird narrative. Zero and Tech addressed this, Zero still takes accountability for it but hes moving on to becoming a better person. Why would you stay a garbage human? wouldnt you want to change everything that formed that toxic bubble, pop it reinvent yourself.... i dont know what will satisfy you people, do you guys want someone to be repenting their whole lives by apologizing 24/7, disappearing from the internet im so confused please someone tell me what someone has to do to appeal to fucking randoms on the internet that have nothing to do with the incident XDDDDDD????@@professorpvp good on your for not being a dumbass.
Despite one technicals shown to Defend Multiple abusers and rapist and shown to Not care about the victims And instead blame them so no I don’t believe in zero or technicals Both of them are scumbag and lairs
Do Cinnpie next please
She has been protected and ignored for too long and the evidence was damning from the start and she even self snitched.
Arguably, her offenses were the worst of all, ten year age gap with a minor when she was like 24.
Wish it was me. We’d have many kids by now
@@TimsNeggs nah bro
You're probably not her type
You're too old if you're not 14
@@TimsNeggsgross, this is the problem right here. Male victims aren’t taken seriously when people make remarks like this
Deadass arguably worse than nairo, yet somehow no one says anything about her.
@@TimsNeggs Too bad that there's no cure for low iq.
this poor girl. her reference to a percy jackson book was genuinely chilling. you know, the childrens book series. fuck.
lmfao
I get so excited when a new one of your videos is posted! Even when the topic is not something that I am "in the know" on every single one of your videos has been told in a very comprehensive & informative way that makes me go and look into the situation for myself. I've learned over time that you present a very fair, balanced and concise story while making it incredibly compelling. I would love to see you and SWOOP do a colab on a long-form video. Thanks for anther great documentary! I don't know if you have asperations to do any mainstream docs but if so I can definitely see you doing incredibly well with your talent of engaging the audience, natural storytelling ability & commitment to investigate the topic thoroughly.
This video definitely needs even more views
Zer0 literally admitted to his bs and just pretends we forgot or something
he admitted to it because he felt backed into a corner and at that point he had just planned on comitting and that was it
@@再
That's what he said afterwards, but why would he still lie (about the fact he knew katie was 14) and kinda try to defend himself in the letter too. It looks like he tried to downplay it while portraying himself as a victim and distracting from what he really did. Then he made it look like he sd'ed to get even more compassion (or he really tried to, because he knew he was fucked). Ultimatley he changed his mind and said the sd letter was not true and he was backed into a corner to completely switch places from perpetrator to victim. And now he continues to make money out of his youtube, because this is the only thing he can possibly do. He just keeps lying to save his own ass.
And let's pretend that katie was not real or 18+; do you know how the police tries to catch child predators? They pretend to be underage in chats. zero still thought he texted with an underage girl so his intentions were clear.
We all make mistakes, yes. But this man is a child predator, a liar and people shouldn't forgive him so easily.
The worst thing for me is that he took advantage of his fame to manipulate an underage girl for his sexual desires. I really can't understand why people like you are still defending him.
Never heard of this guy (I've never played any Smash game or watched Smash content) but wow that was a lot to take in. Your second video I've watched and I appreciate the work you've put into them BlackWolfCompany.
It seriously, really unsettles me that he's trying to hunt katie down, this random anonymous girl, to both sue, and enact some sort of revenge against her, as if he's the victim; when he never disproved or even claimed that the screenshots were fake. That is. Fucked. That bothers me. That's disgusting.
True ZeRo is a predator that deserves no forgiveness he is a monster
Creating a narrative again...
Honestly that Katie situation is suspicious. Like why are you able to ruin a man's career and life while also remaining anonymous? That's stupid. Why would Katie conspire with Jisu? A known liar and opportunist. Katie could've chosen anybody else but, Jisu? Honestly could be a setup because Jisu wanted to take advantage of cases and crown herself as a queen of justice. But, she's just a known liar, greedy for money, attention and not someone to take seriously. Either way hope this Katie person gets help, and lives in peace. I hope she just made some mistake and that Jisu retweeted her story, etc was just a coincidence. I don't want to say Katie doesn't deserve peace, I iust find it suspicious. Jisu is really shady.
@@juanmjxmy problem is Katie dodging anybody trying to get her side of the story (including zero's lawyers). People try to say that's victim blaming but if your story is true you would do anything to prove your case. Unless she decides to stop hiding and give us her side I can't make a decision
@@CopperSeedz her side was the messages she provided. What would her coming out change other than to say "hi this is me katie"?
What’s crazy is my ex boyfriend is pretty prominent in the smash community and he used to play ZeRo in practices and stuff. We used to talk a lot with each other about the sexual deviants that are in the Smash community. There’s a whole Wikipedia page dedicated to listing out all the people who have been banned from playing SSB competitively due to them doing sexually messed up stuff to people (women, men, children, etc.)
top ten things that never happened
whats the wiki page called?
Honestly uploader dude, Ive never seen your content before watching this video
But.
You are the biggest breath of fresh air I have had in a while. Thank you...
The Smash community as a whole has been alarmingly forgiving of ZeRo lately, largely due to the movement heralded by Technicals which seeks to vindicate ZeRo in part while further damning Nairo
I'd love to see more of your input on this as you are literally the only hint of rationality I have seen in the murky waters of the cesspit the Smash community has become
Nairo is a pedo
@@Fredfazbear1983 Here we go again thinking Im defending Nairo 🙄
Re-read my comment bruh, fully with ya there
My issue is that Technicals acts like Zero aint one too
You must live on marss the huge majority of the smash community hate zero. The dude can't even post anything online without a wave of hate. tech videos proves the bias in the community if anything nairo is the one who is forgiven for doing a ACTUAL crime. Zero is at best a creep for doing creepy shit 10 years ago.
@@themovieshow8921 Zero would have done worse
At least Nairo has it that he was raped (The first night, not the second)
Fortunately Zero never found any unsupervised 14 year old girls at the Smash hotel
Still dont know what Zack's parents were thinking with that one
@@themovieshow8921 And at least Nairo has shut up about Zack, whereas Zero continues to harrass her and threaten her into silence
Zero is worse
It's so infuriating in ways I can't even articulate how positive the reception for his return videos is. He's managed to manipulate so many people into believing he had done nothing of moral objectionability.
People want to give him the benefit of the doubt, he was their hero
"Nothing can be proved. Katie doesnt exist"
Meanwhile anybody who is being honest with themselves will see the situation for what it is
I dont even care if someone wants to support Zero at this point, I just want people to act like Katie was a nothing. It was a huge mistake that Zero did make. Its not nothing
And also Zero really needs to stop acting like he's going to gain the spotlike back. That's like thinking Cinnpie is going to come back and commentate a major
Idc if Puppeh forgave her, some things do expel you from the mainstream, especially w Smash being a kids community
Zero needs to understand that
he did? I thought we all knew what he did, an just figured bein kicked out the scene an shat on was enough, brodie def can't get around no kids in the scene no more so what more do we want, for em to die? Dudes a PoS that fucked up no doubt but idk what else I'm supposed to want from em tbh, I don't rly care that he still exists, an I don't rly wish death on anyone so at least for me personally, I can't really imagine what I'm supposed to care about
@@itscuzimblack6672 Just not letting him reach his former glory. He was trying to be buddy with Ludwig a little while ago, while at the same time trying to silence Katie
He hasn't learned his lesson and thinks he can make some kind of comeback. Ludwig is one of Smash's most respected community members, if not the #1 most respected and ZeRo would be right there up with him had the Katie allegations not come to light
I think ZeRo expects us to forget about it. He can post on YT all he likes but were not going to forget, and were not letting him in the boxing ring w Ludwig or anything like that, ever
@@hocuspocus5256 I see I see, well that first paragraph alone is pretty concerning actually. I don't mind the man livin his life, but he insists on continuing to show concerning behavior givin his history then, maybe he doesn't even need what little platform he has left tbh
He gets a fraction of the views he once got. Hes done.
So super bad ending, everyone was shit in the end? No decent people? That’s a brutal blackpill
welcome to reality first time here?
I haven’t really watched zero since this drama despite me being a huge fan before. I’m mixed on the whole situation and him denying the Katie stuff while showing no evidence rubs me the wrong way.
How is he supposed to show evidence for something he didn't do? He doesn't have access to their Skype logs, no clue what you expect him to do
TBH I kinda dont care. Since zero is retired and this happened many many years ago and isn't an active threat and its the ultimate crowd so whatever. What I do care about is the fact Jisu and Leffen are still allowed in the scene and just accepted as if they did nothing wrong. Does nobody remember the Mew2King accusation? Where Jason crying and shaking had to make a very embarrassing video explaining how the accusation was wrong and physically impossible? Those 2 should have been banned instantly for that one. M2K wasn't the only one hit with false allegations spread by Jisu, and leffen but primarily jisu, that was just the biggest one.
Look Hax$'s evidence dot zip 2 or whatever was insane. It was peak schizo-posting but to say he didn't have some valid points is wrong. Leffen is bad for the smash community. He tried to hi-jack the "MeToo" movement for personal gain.
Well also, zero was remorseful, and yet Jisu continued to try to encourage him to end his own life. I don't really blame him for doing the 180. As far as I'm concerned the man has suffered enough.
@@shuikai272 you don't get to decide that tho
@@Crusina I mean I kinda do, I can choose not to harass him. You are right though I cannot control others, but if your goal is to make him suffer as much as possible don't for a minute think you're morally in the right.
Broadly speaking, harassing people, encouraging them to take their own lives, bullying, etc. does not make you a good person.
@@shuikai272Pedo's should go to prison. Digital, or physical pedophilia is still pedophilia. The people who are still angry want that to be expressed. Just because he won the court case does not clear his name, while he is almost expunged from any wrongdoing. Such heinous crimes should put him on a sex offenders registry. Ending his life would be too easy a price to pay. Instead he should be forced to wear the branding of 'Ice Cube Creep' for the rest of his life, and should not be accepted back into the smash community, or any community where he could possibly influence, or interact with minors or impressionable minds.
You need to understand that his success in Smash 4 should have never been started considering those text messages are from 2014 and 2015!
BlackWolfCompany is the new big guy in commentary, he's the one pulling out all the Aces with this shocking information nearer the end
Loved your analysis of the lawsuit, and of course the video as a whole. Keep up the amazing work 🤝
New? He's been around for a whilw
@@CPPRODUCTIONS1001 and I've been watching him for a while, I mean that it's now his turn to be pulling out the cards
He really isn't
@@Dman40000 he’s def one of the best
new guy? Rip this bozo for just ditching his channel lol
Far and away the best summary of the core situation I've seen; analysis, where offered, is well substantiated. Excellent work with this video.
This video doesn't add anything to the equation if anything it's just fuel on zero for 10 year old actions on a anonymous person that he already pled guility to.
@@themovieshow8921 dont assume your view applies to everyone else- this controversy has had very varied reception.
All this video did was wonder why ZeRo didn't address the Katie thing in court, when the answer is that he can't sue Jisu for something that Katie said. Really didn't add anything of value to the drama
@@Kenryck the entire purpose of the lawsuit was to subpoena Katie via forcing Jisu to prove validity of the katie claim (likely, Katie was one if the Jane/John Does listed in the case) - iirc this WAS on the original claims, but was later dropped. It wouldve worked if it were executed better and with more appreciation for the nuances of American defamation law.
This even aside, the major players in the drama werent able to keep focus like this video did.
@@Gliccit Doubt it, ZeRo straight up TOLD people he was guilty of everything Katie said, so it probably wouldn't even be possible to sue anyone for defamation over the things she said even though he retracted his confession later. Tech's original video did the job fine, people only had issues with it cause he didn't condemn the messages hard enough, I guess
Finally, an unbiased take on the situation
This video is extremely biased lmao
unbiased? maybe you need to read up on the definition of bias
Indeed, it is heavily biased against Zero. Somewhat fair about Jisu’s actions, but holds no accountability for Leffen feigning victimhood to cancel Zero.
What do you have against "gym goers"?
🤔🤔🤔
they smell funny and do roids
men who go to gym are red flags
He also started following Andrew Tate and liking his tweets when he came back
Who honestly cares
@@Fredfazbear1983 Most functioning adults
@@dibblemcbibble2787 not really, following someone doesn’t mean you endorse him, unless you’re arguing that trump reply guys who try to ratio him on Twitter endorse him
@@Fredfazbear1983 He liked his tweets as well and there's a big line between passively following a politican and following a guy who's entire message is to treat women like actual slaves and that beating them is okay lmao. Again this is a functional adult thing you may not get
@@dibblemcbibble2787 most of the stuff he likes from him is the self help stuff, which I don’t have a problem with, as well as a tweet that states that most people would rather want Tate to be a human trafficker than him not be one, which is not incorrect. So I don’t get what you’re saying
I mean there's a few consequences, like losing your sponsorships, your income, your twitch banned, harassment, jisu encouraging zero to kill himself, zero attempting suicide, like damn zero consequences? Lol
Idk man the guy with less consequences is nairo and he actually did it with a kid twice. Zero just allegedly asked her to do it with an ice cube when he was 19.
Agreed. Amended the title to the original working title to better reflect the contents of the video.
Might possibly look into the Nairo story in the future; there are so many stories in that community
Thank you for reminding folks of the very real attempt of isolating and pushing of Zero to self harm. We can hold someone accountable without resorting to disgusting means.
@@bwc I appreciate the admission that the initial framing was over the top. He certainly experienced negative consequences, even if we ignore the claims made by ZeRo himself without any corroborating evidence. (Although that "I admit it" twit longer read like a suicide note in real time to me). I think he was manipulating Katie and that wasn't a good look for him, but I think highlighting the "teasing' as "flirting" is a bit much sometimes. Some guys tease. That's what we do. When I do that I'm not consciously "flirting" with anyone. Granted, I also don't do it to 14 year olds so I can see the difference. His interactions with "Katie" were inappropriate but they seem like a very weak incident to hold over his head years later. And who knows? It's possible he actually _does_ have information that puts his actions in a different light that he hasn't released
A larger problem I see is that we expect teenagers to gain "maturity" in a linear fashion as they get older and that's not the case. ZeRo highlighting his bullying and social awkwardness is actually useful information because they indicate he may have been less "developed" for his age. The flip side of that it there are people who are more developed, The idea that some kind of switch is fliped in an individual's mind the instant they turn 18 is false. They're the same person they were before that magic birthday and their learning and personality development will continue at the same rate as befoee. Folks on the internet love the meme "a person's brain isn't fully developed until they're 25" and that's also false. I've never been able to nail down what "fully developed" actually means amd why 25 is a magic age. As someone who is 42 I can from personal experience say your mind and how one views the world keeps changing after that age. The people who push that meme never seem to consider that _making bad decisions prior to that age_ is the main thing that helps development in the first place. I never did anything sexual with a minor, or even person of my own age, but there are things I did I'm not proud of. It's all part of "live and learn".
As I said I think the requests he made of "Katie" were inappropriate and he hassuffered negative consequences for them and continues to to this day. At this point I'm not sure what more people want from? A groveling admission? What does that change? And we have to keep in mind that he *may actually* have evidence that completely changes to framing of their interaction. I personally doubt that but it's a possibility that's being ignored. As far as we know he's doing nothing of the sort since so it appears he's learned a lesson. Their interactions are cringy but nothing in what we've seen is explicitly illegal. It's been what? 7 years? It may be time for ZeRo's critics to move on to other people who have and continue to do much worse than ask for inappropriate pictures they don't receive.
A long form examination of Jisu and her "truth-be-damned" attack on ZeRo might be worth looking into more. Not everyone who presents themselves as being on the side of good actually is. Manipulative predators will use the current vogue for exposing manipulative predators to manipulated and prey on others. Just because someone is speaking the "righr" language doesn't mean they have the right motives
@@BiggieTrismegistus Zero was trying to make katie his routine, weekly sex object
He only didnt get pics because Katie said no. He was literally pushing for routine sex object
A 14 year old
His chats were beyond suspect, he should be thanking god every day he is not a registered offender after pulling that stint.
@@hocuspocus5256 He did not succeed in turning her or seemingly anyone else into a biweekly sex object. That was 7 years ago and there are no indications he's done anything of the sort sense. Once again I ask what could he do that we be "good enoigh" for you?
watching this a year later, I was vaguely aware of what happened but never looked into it, but talk of Zero popped up on a reddit thread I saw recently so I started looking around, I read the joint statement and didn't think it was strong enough to exonerate him even though he seemingly paraded it around as such. good compilation here.
I have never heard of this man before today. I actually saw a video of his right before this video, because of a gaming topic I was looking up. And when I saw the thumbnail, I was deciding whether not this was the same guy whose video I’m currently watching. So I click on this video and it was the same guy🤢 crazy how the algorithm wants me to know this guy isn’t just what he wants you to believe
Where'd you go buddy? Hope all is well.
Zero fanboys will still defend him after Zero himself admitted his actions 😂
Didn't expect this video to make me laugh at all, but fuck that ZeRo vs EDP fight tweet caught me off guard bad
Not a huge detail but D1 wasn't really known for being a player, as he was largely a commentator.
Technicals on suicide watch after this dropped
Not really
I’ve seen technicals say that he doesn’t care if people shit on him for the actual shit zero did, so i doubt he cares about this video.
You are a moron this video is a nothing burger. It just talks about shit we already know.
@@CrazyDiamond13332 Technicals tried to downplay and basically say that what ZeRo did wasn't a big deal and WELCOMED HIM BACK TO A COMMUNITY OF CHILDREN. Where he could re-offend.
@@ErgonomicChair the clip where tech literally said he doesn't welcome back zero to the smash community is in this video dude
I feel bad for having resubbed to him out of a false belief that he was somehow innocent, and blindly believing Technicals, a ZeRo defender, after he proved his worth by exposing Nairo, and therefore led me to believing that he was credible enough to bring ZeRo to justice. Thank you for this giant video of understanding on the matter, so that I can now fully make my stance clear.
I dropped Technicals and all faith in him since he started advertising ltg to his viewers and the spitefully critical community he attracted. Low tier God is seriously a bad character to associate yourself with, dude is so openly racist, homophobic, rapist vibes, and he's just a man baby who fucking sucks at video games anyway.
And that's weird, there's videos of Ltg roasts on Tech's channel. Made no fucking sense
And this is still worse by far. I just noticed with Ltg this dude accosciates with very bad, shady people lmfao
Proved his worth? Bro that mf lied on the nairo vídeo the same way he lied on the zero video, he never mentions the evidence showing Zack being the assaulter
@@debeb5148 Pot 🤝Kettle
@@h8thegr8 katie wanted zero to apologize and that;s it nomore
Good to have a comprehensive video covering all this stuff. Great job dude
Oh my god I felt like I was going crazy. It was always odd the way they addressed Katie when zero came back to clean his image. I think the Smash community at large needs to think and even talk about these topics more often.
Edit: Also Technicals and ZeRo have not addressed anything said in this video (let alone the video itself) at all to my knowledge so this really is not a good look for either of em.
We need to chase Leffen and Jisu out asap too because his lies are how Zero got away with it.
@@debeb5148 True but zero wants to be alone
Tech has said multiple times that he doesn't care if people have a problem with what ZeRo did, this isn't any of his business
ZeRo honestly has one of the most confusing stories in lifetime because we aren’t sure what’s going on with him
ZeRo fans in the recent comments coping about how the mfker has moved on/changed for the better. But that shit dont mean he should be wholeheartedly forgiven for it, its clear this mfker does not care for the people he hurt. I get that this guy had a fucked up past, but his past does not justify his actions, we can use that to UNDERSTAND why he did it but not USE it as justification for his shitty actions.
u dont have to justify or condone someones actions to forgive them. forgiveness =/= pardoning someone, i don't care for him since he's backpedaling on taking responsibility but forgiving someone doesnt mean forgetting their past.
It's up to you if you think he's a piece of shit forever. I just personally don't think a mistake someone made 9yrs ago when they were young and stupid makes up someone's entire character
It's clear that he did something very wrong and illegal and must pay in a way, but are you gonna point him for rest of the time?, don't anyone have the right to change when they do something wrong?
Knowing from witnessing previous content creators get exposed for doing this exact kind of shit gave me enough insight to know that ZeRo checks off an uncomfortable amount of marks of being a creep.
Oddly passionate about proving himself innocent to the point it becomes predatory? Check.
Takes what's essentially a legal truce for both sides as a win when it isn't? Check.
Brought up his trauma to try and gain himself pity as if he didn't traumatize a little girl? Check.
Keeps deflecting and going off in other directions instead of addressing the actual problem, a big sign that someone is guilty of doing that thing? Check.
You wouldn't think I would learn the patterns from Twitter of all places, but the FNF community back when it started was something else.
This is an excellent and very well put together video. I never was able to get a defined take on the ZeRo situation because evidence was so scattered, but you nailed it and showed him for who he truly is. Throughout this video I've felt nothing but sadness for all those girls who are blatantly victims of his actions.. I hope they find peace, because it's going to be traumatic later in life as a adult to recall this.
Most of those girls are fake victims who lied about everything but alright
Girls? There was only one victim.. did you even watch the video and the extent of the interaction was creepy flirty with no nudes or attempt to meet
@@professorpvp Jisu, Laura, etc. Tech exposed them all in his original vid
@@Kenryck yeah I know but I’m saying all that got proven false/was never really a big deal to begin with.
bro i dont know what to believe anymore
Its crazy how he used katie's anonymity as a shield with the return vid when he didn't even mention katie at all in the lawsuit. Then on top of that promoted the fake katie thread as though it meant something. He did all of that shit without a doubt😭
I'm born from winter's breath, a crystal clear embrace,
But warmth ignites my passion, a quick and fleeting chase.
I fizzle with a whisper, a moment of delight,
Then melt into a memory, a teardrop in the night.
What am I?
I’m like 90% sure at the moment the stuff Katie said was true, ZeRo should should just admit and apologize smh.
Plus ZeRo’s lawsuit with Jisu definitely wasn’t a win by ZeRo
Go rewatch his response to allegation video. He chooses his words pretty carefully. I was watching a Augie stream and he points out that he doesnt dent the Katie allegations, which is him asking for images from a minor. He denies doing everything else from a minor accept that. He also make sure to emphasize that he never interacted with a minor with the ONLY intention to groom them. He emphasizes the word only.
@@nathanielperryii296 yes I watched the video haha
@@sinfinite7516 I just thought it was interesting how he chose his words was interesting.
The truth is almost always somewhere in between. In my opinion, going from what we have, I would like to make a claim that perhaps not everything in Katie's statement is accurate, but simultaneously, that which is not accurate is not made with malice and deceit. I think that, given the timeframe of events and possible memory gaps, some events may be misremembered. Clearly, something seems to have taken place, and the case truly deserves a much more critical look. I am not going to say that ZeRo is innocent here. Far from it. But, I do not believe he is a paedophile.
Jisu sure as shit didn't win it either, she was forced to delete everything
Something always felt off with the way ZeRo came back, with a video just saying basically that everything has been taken care of legally, so he's good to go and not be questioned about anything anymore? It didn't sit right. And all his fans still wear rose colored glasses proudly without a second thought about anything.
didn't expect to see another of these pop up but I'm down to watch it
We need people like you to keep shining lights on stories like this, never forget the character of these people beyond their pedophilic actions, because they’re always terrible people among that
His actions weren't pedophilic. Look up the definition of words before labeling people.
@zexoid2659 do you really wanna sit here n try to defend someone who groomed a 14 year old?
@@zexoidxif grooming a 14 yr old at 19 isn’t pedophilic idk what is
@@SuperRavingRabbid64 They were both teenagers with a 5 year age gap. It was not grooming.
ZeRo... Was my hero and I cried when these things came to light. That was why I was trying to learn Smash and wanted to play as a pro but after this, I stopped playing and anything related to smash makes me feel sick physically and mentally. ZeRo was my hero...
This is by far the best video made on this situation. I hope many of his fans see this and realize what kind of person Zero is
Not as good as Technicals sorry not sorry
@@FabulousJejmaze Many people couldn't take Technicals' video as seriously because it sounded like he defended Zero in some parts
Not that bad.
People do change over time, I hope your not making a way worse mistake than zero behind that screen.
@@Toesucker-ih6iq I promise I won't king
You’re so based for making this
I was so disappointed in him. no remorse, just a scumbag. Smash community is really something ..
Yeah at first i was a bit happy when he returned and wasnt suicidal but looking at him and his recent tweets, i dont know if he feels any remorse at all for what happened and gives me strong vibes of a douchebag. he also posts on social media waaay too much for someone who was in his situation. but yeah that whole situation has yet to have been really addressed
So I feel there's something to be said here.
1) The notion ZeRO got away with anything is wrong. For every commenter who thinks this, you're objectively wrong here. ZeRo was punished, he was given a life-time ban from smash, he was shunned by the entire internet. His life was more or less ruined by his own actions, as well as malicious lies and a conspiracy by Jisu and Leffen. They OBJECTIVELY lied, and many others have spoken out against them. So while ZeRo absolutely crossed the moral line with Katie, that's the only real allegation that has any merit. The rest are just malicious actions by Jisu and Leffen. And ZeRo was heavily punished for his actions with Katie.
2) ZeRo seems to have never re-offended. He hasn't done anything with any other minors, and the worst he did was try to get nudes. While utterly wrong and immoral, and completely unacceptable...Does that really mean that he should never have a public platform? Especially when he's actually not re-offended over the MANY years? How long of a punishment is actually fair for what he objectively did, and how much of what people want is just pure spiteful vengeance?
3) We need to make up our minds. Do we want people to correct their behavior after being punished, or do we just want to cast them aside, forever punishing them with no chance to become functioning members of society? Should every crime result in life-time prison or the death penalty, or are crimes much more nuanced, and each case need to be properly examined to determine a fair and just punishment? That's a really heavy question and I don't remotely feel qualified to answer this.
4) I do not in any way support ZeRo, watch ZeRo, or like him. I do not say he's a perfect saint whos a beacon of hope. No, but what I am saying is if we've established ZeRo was actually indeed punished, and hasn't re-offended over the years...Than I kinda don't see a reason to continue to forever punish him, or deplatform him at this point. Even if he contests the accusations, that really doesn't deserve deplatforming. And when you remember that two out of three of the main people accusing him conspired and lied about him, to harm him....I could actually see that ZeRo could reasonably believe the accusations are false. Even screenshots aren't as ironclad as we might think, since you could fairly easily photoshop them. (Again, I am NOT saying Katie did. I genuinely believe he is indeed guilty of crossing that line with Katie. I am simply pointing out that ZeRo could reasonably believe that he was the victim of a malicious smear campaign, because he actually was.) All of this really raises the question of how we perceive the case.
5) Lastly, there's a lot of details surrounding this case that could alter how you perceive it. For instance, ZeRo was a very socially ackward person who lacked the normal social skills most others have. People who lived with him during that period actively came foward to point this out. And all the weird stuff he did. ZeRo also didn't come from the US, which is further likely why he didn't understand social norms. ZeRo could reasonably not understand what he was doing was wrong. And it could've been a genuine lack of understanding. This doesn't excuse him, but it DOES provide us with a potential deeper understanding of ZeRo. It also would explain why after the very real consequences, he has never re-offended. Because he probably learned how unacceptable that behavior was, and so never repeated it. Details like this aren't trivial stuff, rather its stuff that could alter the perception.
I know people are not going to like my response here, and accuse me of supporting ZeRo etc etc. But that can't be further from the truth, I'm a fairly hardlined person when it comes to the subject. I don't play smash, never watched or supported ZeRo as I didn't even know smash was a thing until recent years. Rather, I just feel there's some truths to be said here which conflict with the narrative people push. I feel ZeRo was suitably punished for what he did, served his punishment and has never re-offended. So I can't see deplatforming him as a good thing, but a dangerous precedent that we don't want people to reform their behavior, we want them gone forever. And I feel that'd be a grave misjustice. People can turn their life around. One of my absolute favorite channels is "jay williams let's live life". He's an ex-convict with a fair extensive criminal past, serving more than 10+ years in prison. Now he runs a company, has a family, runs a channel telling stories from his life so that people can learn what not to do. So that he can convince people to avoid crime, and avoid going to prison. He is a rare success story of a hardened criminal reforming their life, becoming a better man and part of society. I cannot imagine removing him based on crimes years in the past he was punished for, served his sentence, and beaten the odds by turning his life around. It has challenged my views that people can't change, because...Well they can. So I've started to try to give people the benefit of the doubt, as long as they show they've not re-offended, I'm willing to give a second chance.
So let me know what you think, should reformation and justice be the goal or not?
He's a grown man he's supposed to know that sending inappropriate messages is bad 😑
@@lilac2238 Yes, I agree. He should've known better. But that doesn't mean he DID know better. Don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity.
I think I made it clear I wasn't looking to make excuses for him. I mean I outright condemned his actions in no uncertain term. I was simply providing more information, and posing the question of how much punishment fits the crime.
@@NeiasaurusCreations But zero clearly doesn't feel bad about it, or even admit he did any wrong after he retracted his confession, participated in the technicals video which was essentially a giant whataboutism which used nairo to defend zero, made jokes about the situation, and overall he just seems like an unapologetic piece of trash about the whole thing.
@@Riley-u8m
1) Feeling bad isn't required to change one's life. And you're also literally incapable of proving this. You're literally just assuming he doesn't feel bad. Which is fine, but I'm not one to judge people based on speculation.
2) I don't care if he doesn't feel bad. I don't care he doesn't "admit" to doing wrong. I care about his actual actions. He has never re-offended. That is the really important and key issue. Is he still a danger to others, and I'd say no. Over the last few YEARS no one else has come forward accusing ZeRo. And there is 0 evidence to suggest he has ever done the actions again. Which ultimately is what our goal should be, to get people to reform their actions.
I am not someone who is going to say someone deserves to never be allowed to have a life again, even when they've reformed their behavior. Dude has been clean for years at this point. I'm not sure what more you could want. ZeRo seems to be the poster boy for those who made a seriously bad choice, and than turned their life around.
I am not in ZeRo's head, I don't know what he feels or thinks. I don't talk to him, I'm not a fan or supporter. What I know is that there is factually no evidence to suggest he has ever crossed the line with another minor after the Katie situation. From all the evidence, it appears to me he has changed the actual behavior, and turned his life around. That's really all I personally want from justice. They face punishment, than they turn their life around. I don't care if they admit to guilt, or feel bad. While that would be nice, as long as the actual harmful behavior is over, I am more than okay with a person having a life after.
The pattern with such abusers is to re-offend when they think they can get away with it. I think once you've abused a minor online you should not participate in online spaces anymore, regardless of whether you think you won't do it again. It is not necessary to this man's life to remain on social media; he would have to find a job offline and live a private life. Online fame with access to young fans is not a human right. Leaving someone in that position of power is not the way to go. I appreciate your takes and questions, so I figured I'd offer you a differing opinion.
Edit; I want to add that I don't think fame has been very good for this nan's health and state of mind. If anything it probably served to warp his view of what's normal even further. He would personally be better off living a private life, IMO.
Posted 4 days after his last video, and he vanished. I think this video is why he disappeared in an up sticks.
why is the extent of the coverage of the technicals video and twitter fallout a flashy 3 minute montage of nicholas deorio tweets lol
very telling imo
There was more than just Nick's tweets tf. The arguments was also mainly between Nick, Augie, and Tech.
@@collectorsforecast1132 what is any of that supposed to convey to the listener? this vid is filled to the brim with well-communicated information except when it comes to all that. tech's vid in particular was a huge part of this, it's so skimmed over here
@Captain Heropon that's a question for BWC. I can only assume that portion is just a transition to the next part of the video and display the Twitter argument about the whole situation that allowed ZeRo to quietly sneak away. I think he mentioned the Twitter argument before that clip starts.
Because that was a transition?
There have been videos made going more in detail with Technicals and what that was all about
She sent a picture of herself but he didn't know she was underage? What did she look like at 14, my guy? 26:26
He knew no way he did not he lied about not knowing her age she did say it right away her age he need lie
Thoroughly researched and unbiased. Great job on this!
I woudlnt say this is unbiased. It’s clearly the author’s opinion
crazy how people say we defend zero when we simply ask the community to treat nairo with the same scrutiny that we did with zero especially considering the shit that was uncovered with nairo and zack publicly flirting on twitter.
The thing with Nairo isn't as clear cut as with Zer0 tho. For all we could know Nairo was actually stupid enough to let himself be blackmailed by Zack as that dude did the same with Ally. He's rightfully banned but the mixed reaction to him especially when he was the first one to go against the allegations was his whole PR stunt with his legal document that a bunch of figure heads saw and found to be plausible wasn't giving anyone a black and white answer to his case.
Zer0 was caught red handed with grooming a 9th grader fan by abusing his top player status and tried doing damage control on the whole thing by lying about and letting out certain details that showed the really bad shit and all of it was so public and obvious to anyone with common sense.
Furthermore Nairo has just adressed the situation and then went back to streaming in his own corner and not getting into further controversy while Zer0 returned by playing edgy banned player heel, started to enter and host tournaments with known predators, domestic perpetrators, racists, trans- and homophobes, made multiple clickbait attack videos against the community and lied to his audience on multiple occasions be it "winning" the lawsuit or the fact that Katie was apperently "a setup".
Nairo ain't no angel in any of this with Zack even in the best case scenario for him but the fact that we do not know how everything about their situation transpired compared to Zer0's and that Zer0 couldn't leave it behind him or atleast actually own up to mentally scarring that girl for life and rather made everything only worse by going digitally after her is kind of why he's perceived as worse.
All y'all are weird.
*Goes back to Tekken TH-cam*
Mhm
I find jisu to be not only spiteful but trying to piggy back him for success zero is a horrible person but it's pretty obvious when you read the document. I remember reading it when it first came out and thought the same thing. I also think black wolf company you should really look into leffen and her They are both NOT Good people. They have a extremely history of being narcist along with lying a lot with ego issues plus trying to gain clout any means necessary. Jisu I think was using katie in her vendetta.
ZeRo legit expressed more (most likely fabricated) remorse about "not knowing" the characters of two other people in the community than he did for sexually abusing a minor.
This is the best overview of the zero situation I’ve seen.
It’s shit like this that prevents the Smash Community from being truly respected and it’s why I only follow Melee. This whole mess with Zero’s intention to skirt around any blame along with Jisu being an actual snake just shows that these people were left unchecked until it was too late, all over a fucking hypocritical twitlonger and venomous response. I fully support Katie and hope she gets that apology but posting that story for the world to see is never the right choice. I think it should have been kept private and discussed only between her, Zero, and any other party/legal team or what have you to settle/apologize about this conflict/incident and what ever else but now Zero is just trying to hunt her down over it and he’ll probably never apologize now unfortunately, it also gave Jisu a reason to push an agenda we’ll never really understand. I thought we were all here to smash and have money matches.
you do know that ZeRo played Melee competitively right?
Melee is filled with these same people, especially with all the transsexuals.
the title is a little misleading, the smash community all hates and makes fun of zero for trying to come back
Why?
@@zexoidx the title implies the community ignored the situation
1:13:32 My opinion has always been that people do incredibly bad shit when they are young and need a chance at redemption. However the internet most certainly does not let go of these things so easily. Remember callmecarson got completely destroyed over a 2 year age gap, and plenty of other examples of people doing much less horrific shit THEY APOLOGIZED for and it changed absolutely nothing. The idea of forgiveness has slowly withered away completely over time. That being said zero handled this absolutely horribly.
its kind of crazy that people advocated for his unaliving, like yeah he did fucked up things but death isnt the answer
Whoa, that's a lot of confirmation bias.
Nairo for me is the smash community's darkest open secret.
Not really. He was proven innocent and even Zack admitted he made things up about him.
@@Lilhajxjk274 this gotta be bait cuz ain't no way you said that
@@pksqquared I said the truth
@@Lilhajxjk274 nairo had proven sexual action with captain zack twice but yey you! keep defending pedos
@@Lilhajxjk274 he still had sex with zack who was a minor at the time
Finally, the fact he has been welcomed back is disgusting, especially by people like technicals. He literally got away from it
Technicals' own brother PixelDrink did very similar things, sending nudes, drawing himself with kids in adult situations... and asked for nudes from chidlren too. So he naturally defended ZeRo because he and his brother were guilty of very similar things.
@@ErgonomicChair stop using the John swan argument that was already debunked
@@Fredfazbear1983 ... how was it debunked? PixelDrink's nudes and pictures of his nudes in that chat are out there. Technicals admitted it happened, PixelDrink, admitted, it happened. They tried to downplay it as him being "silly silly haha" when in fact he was sending pictures of his dick to minors, and then drawing himself having sex with them.
Were the drawings bad? Yeah. But the intent was there.
@@ErgonomicChair the drawings were of 16-17 year olds in the group chat, while bad, they were 2-3 years younger than him at the time
@@Fredfazbear1983 ... some were young as 13
Tech simps gonna be working over time on the damage control
Not really, even Tech doesn't care if people have a problem with what ZeRo did
Eh, AMSA is the best smash player. That guy is 100% a hero.
I hope this blows up x
I can't even take this seriously with the movie trailer music and editing all throughout
Because it's trying to catch a predator and litterally make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Its an hour and a half long, he has to make it watchable otherwise no one will watch it
@@avostorm8111 These labels are so sad.
Personally I think that ZeRo just completely gave up knowing that once the allegations were out there wasn't going to be much that he could do to prove the things he did and the things he didn't do so he just gave into it all. Owning up to the things he did do, as well as the things he didn't do. ZeRo has always just seemed like that kind of guy. Then again, this video really brings a lot of extra things to light. I genuinely just don't know what to believe anymore.
That's literally what he wants you to think though, is the problem. It isn't a thing to "give up" and make a suicide note that confesses to things that are false. Both Zero and Tech and Zero's lawyers found the best way that they could frame the narrative in Zero's favor. It was a months-long plan that they were working on to manipulate the situation and perception of people.
@@JusRed48 so what is the evidence against zero?
@@JusRed48 "It isn't a thing to "give up" and make a suicide note that confesses to things that are false." I quite literally is. Suicidal people aren't sound of mind.
@@mrt8bit692 Multiple DM conversations of ZeRo grooming a fan he believed to be 14 years old which can be seen at 13:12
@@babulbi If its false why doesnt he have his lawyers correct the judge, as witnessed in this video?
Is he still going through that narrative? Still so depressed that he decides to threaten Katie into silence while telling the judge "Yeah Im not going to deny what happened with Katie... they wouldnt believe me anyways... F it, I did it JUDGE I TRIED TO GROOM HER"
While his lawyer just sits there like "Yeah, this is depression. Its okay, were here for you Zero"
Is that our narrative? Zero is just continuing the lies even with his legal team out of self sabotage
Why the F is he not just telling his lawyers , the court, and the judge that it never happened, Katie doesnt exist, and that its all lies
The answer is pretty obvious. Because it isnt all lies. Katie does exist.
After hearing them skype messages i feel dirty, I feel like a need to shower to get that sh*t outa my ears.
He did this like 6-7 years ago when he was 18, I get that what he did was horrible but like this was his worst moment ever and doesn’t reflect who he is now.
@JK'S PRODUCTION The victim said she didn't want to get involoved in this shit any further
@phunkycharms I don't know, it's quite easy to get this clarified, even for one party.
He run awy from addressing Katie fully and he addressing by picking and chosing but he should of not run away but he did and saldy it did not blow up to much as it supost to he never got fully punishment even do the girl did say she was 14-15 and why he run awy form that is not known even fact he did not admit fully Katie's statement and he was lat free some way it is not nice
It still baffles me that ZeRo somehow managed to get away with this
people just want their goodies. some people think that rkelly is innocent because they grew up with his music. you always see these people in comment sections of his music. same thing happens with jackson.
ZeRo didn't. Firstly he was removed from the Smash community's ability to ever compete. He was also flamed heavily, and stayed gone for a long time. He has never re-offended to my knowledge. So he's basically been punished, served his sentence, and seems to have learned and bettered himself. Isn't that ultimately the goal? To make people correct their behavior, and to avoid it in the future? Because if that's the case, if "justice" is what we're going for, ZeRo is actually a good example.
I don't personally like, nor support him. But I feel as long as he continues to not offend, that ZeRo should be fine to make videos again. Punishments for what he did shouldn't be life-time deplatforming, or anything. Because what he did while wrong and inexcusable, is actually fairly light. Especially compared to other figures who are still on the platform, or in the smash community. Niro literally had s*x with a child, and is still active and defended by smash and facing no punishment for it. So I kinda think we have more pressing people to worry about than someone who hasn't done anything like it in years, and made a positive change.
A guy named Technicals defended him, because Technical's own brother (PixelDrink) did VERY SIMILAR things so Technical's ended up defending a lot of child predators.
@@ErgonomicChair The accusations against his brother are immensely weak. And that's not why he defended ZeRo. He "defended" ZeRo ONLY on the accusations that are objectively false from Jisu and Leffen. I can tell you never watched that video.
He outright condemned ZeRo for his actions with Katie. The only 'defense' was the false accusations by Jisu and Leffen.
ZeRo was already punished for Katie, and has never re-offended. I believe in giving people a second chance, as I think anyone is capable of turning their life around. And the goal of punishment is to correct behavior. Not to be forever spiteful.
Got away? Lost all sponsors, viewers, subscribers and friends. And as a consequence of this, his fiancé.
I think the prime reason nintendo does not want to deal with the smash community anymore it's probably cause there tired of this and mostly cause it's a party game.
Hopefully this destroys Zero’s already dwindling career.
Hate only creates more hate and zero growth.
at least you’re honest in that you want to tear people down instead of framing it as wanting to help them better themselves.
He thinks he’s a bad ass because he lost some weight and got some contacts. I am sick of people getting away with these awful, dangerous behaviors and actions.
The fact that we let nario and zero back in is disgusting and makes me a shame to be part of the smash community
No everyone there hates ZeRo , he's not in the communtiy and Nairo is forgiven by the community but doesn't want to go therie nor do touraments anyway
@@albertwesker4729 most of the people I talk to in there say there innocent
@@snomanking2chennal869 Nairo and ZeRo are, ZeRo doesn't want to go back in the community, the community bansihed him and Nairo is innocnet, but doesn't want to back so leave them alone
@@albertwesker4729 how is nairo innocent?
Nobody has let ZeRo in, the fuck you on?
His story trying to disregard his confession because it's a "suicide letter" and he self-sabotaged makes no sense honestly. It makes the whole suicide report that he and his girlfriend gave EE seem like potential manipulation of the situation in the first place and sounds like a very legally-aware manner of framing the confession in a way that would be in lawfully inadmissable if it were ever brought to a court of law. If you ever look into suicide notes and confessions, it is very rare for someone to "self-sabotage" and confess to things that DIDN'T HAPPEN. The whole basis is that they feel guilt, guilt comes from truth, not from lies.
I was wondering about that too. I don't know about the state of ZeRo's mental health. But I do know that he has used suicide as a way to reframe a damning piece of evidence against him so that he could continue putting out content for his young fanbase to consume and to threaten all sorts of litigious action. That does make it seem like a real possibility that the reported suicide attempt in March was a PR move.
Who exactly made you the expert of suicide?
legally he cant say he is sorry because it would automatically incriminate him. if its settled then both parties have conditions. needless to say settling it does not clear anyone of the actual situation and harrasment, it simply means they wont use the courts.
20:15 If you have to make a deal for you or your partner to be 'normal' in a romantic relationship, then you probably shouldn't be in that relationship.
I can think of a darker “secret” tbh
more people need to watch this video jfc
I like it when the chronically online does not realize that young people can do something stupid but they grow out of it cause it happened so long ago.
Probably because most chronically online people are young and have little to no life experience
Zero's fanbase is mostly young and has little to no life experience lol
@@dibblemcbibble2787 no shit
Pretty based
didn't kiwiz do the exact same thing and ik by law if the gap is more than 5 years he would be classified as a pedo because the 19/14 this wasn't a high school senior dating a freshman 18/14 so can he be forgiven because this wouldn't fall under the Romeo and Juliet law which is 3-4 year gaps?
Where’s the channel gone to then?! No uploads in over a year