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The sad reality is that even if Sinatraa is guilty, the legal case won't do anything. The reality is that the hoops you have to jump through to prove sexual misconduct and rape is so high, I lost a rape case, and that was with a positive rape kit done
I can understand that too much. I still have to see my cousin at family gatherings after what he did to me. I hope you’re able to heal. Hopefully one day the universe gives you what you deserve, which is to be loved and not taken advantage of. I hope your road to healing is smooth for you, the justice system is really fucked up sometimes
Date rape, martial rape, domestic rape, are all very real and happen far more than anyone wants to admit. I’ve been following this story since it broke and it makes me ill. No means no means no, and it should be the first thing taught to all students in Health when covering sex ed. Unfortunately, often domestic rape is considered far more “they said/ they said” than stranger-the-attacker rape, and is often chalked up to, “they should have been a better partner, it’s domestic disturbance at best, be better.” Esports, just like any pro-sports, has a BIG problem. There will be more. It’s a damn shame. Sexual assault is sexual assault. These women deserve better. I hope they can heal and have healthy relationships in the future.
Have you actually listened to the audio clip?? You can find it on TH-cam and its not age restricted, since it just sounds like 2 people laughing and being playful. Saying that was her being in extreme pain and Sinaatra should've known is a huge stretch.
I’m not a girl, but when I heard that I knew something was very, very wrong. Granted I’m gay, but if I was having sex with my boyfriend and he said it hurt like, I’d stop. Wouldn’t any normal person? I couldn’t imagine doing that, where they’re telling you it hurts and you just? Keep going?? But yes very good advice I’m glad someone got to it before me
@@stuglife5514 because a lot of media tells girls sex hurts sometimes we (me) don't realize for a long time something is wrong. I grew up in the church and we were just told to close our eyes and think about flowers. And wait for it to be over because it would hurt. And so I took that to mean it will always hurt. So when it did I wasn't surprised and neither way my partner. I didn't realize for a ridiculously long time there was an issue :(
I had an IUD put in a few years ago, and one time after sex with my fiance I started having a lot of pain. It was like a Sunday night, so I went to the ER because the pain was so bad I was puking, and I was worried about a rupture. Yes, it's rare, but it does happen. The first provider who saw me was a female resident. She was very sympathetic, wanted to manage my pain and get me an ultrasound. But the attending, who was a man, shut that all down. He came into my room and told me (and I swear to God he said this, I remember it clearly to this day), "My wife has an IUD and she has pain after sex all of the time. It's normal." So, not only did he dismiss *MY* pain, he did so by just casually telling me that he was torturing his wife with sex. Many years later, I was finally diagnosed with endometriosis, uterine fibroids, and pelvic congestion syndrome - which is basically varicose veins, but on the inside. My surgeon said my pelvic veins were some of the biggest he'd ever seen. I'm pretty sure that any of those could be why I had so much pain after sex (years later I started having severe pain after sex without the IUD, which is what encouraged me to fight to get a diagnosis). And I've heard other women with similar diagnoses say that IUDs were very uncomfortable for them.
I'm in a psychology of gender class and learned that the US is the only place that inserts IUD's awake or without any numbing at all, and then you're expected to go back to work right after like you just got your teeth cleaned. usually when people are in pain after insertion its either because it was inserted wrong, or they have fibriods, cysts, endo, etc. I feel like you should have ultra sounds or something because especiallly ovarian cysts are super common and a lot of people start birth control to stop period pain...
@@ellis20022 Well that class or Prof was completely full of shit as I am Canadian and my 3 iud insertions were done without numbing...Also why would you want a just as painful needle stabbing in the place? Its done in most obgyn offices in England and Ireland the same according to my cousins because it is a 10 min procedure barring the iud isn't defective.
@@itscjhey Honestly can we really call people like him grown men? Legally theyre adults and should be treated like so, but calling someone a grown man has a certain type of air to it. Hes still a child in the mind. This kind of behavior is disgusting, and I think the problem with it comes from his life revolving around social media, the internet, and video games. This guy doesn’t live in the real world. He think because he’s a good gamer who makes money playing Esports that he’s some sort of important person in society. We see it all the time with celebrities that are so disconnected from the real world that they end up with distorted world views that are perverted at best and a complete fantasy at worst (For example, Seth Rogan claiming that his car being broken into 17 times is perfectly normal) this “man” is disgusting. It’s truly disgusting that he felt like it was okay to talk like that. My ex girlfriend from highschool acted like that, and she’s stabbed people, stalked me, and is a huge narssasist. This guy exudes huge emotional manipulation energy. Strait up emotional abuse
Jesus, seeing those texts of him demanding to know where she was were genuinely _terrifying._ Makes him sound like the kind of person who would end up murdering their partner, I'm so glad she got away and I legitimately fear for anyone else who gets involved with him.
@@areldo Because he didn't? It's been proven fake. The evidence was not valid, and most of the evidence provided was stuff that could easily be forged. It's crazy, man. I literally just told you that it's fake, but you will 100% gloss over the fact that what she did was not only weird and sketchy, but you won't acknowledge it. So I'll do it for you. He didn't do it, it's proven, and you won't care because she isn't a victim anymore, and Sinatraa is, therefore you won't care.
@@CringeForImDontai then why didn’t he cooperate if he’s so innocent. he lied in his response. he couldn’t supply the evidence he said he would. end of discussion. why is it so hard for people to believe the victim. what does she gain from this? she is only getting attacked daily. who would purposefully do this to themselves. it makes no sense.
@@creeperkillz3148 that has nothing to do with whether it's true. Lars is referring to the allegation* being rape, not sexual assault. because it is. the allegation is rape whether it's true.
@@malazan6004 what troubles me most is the “am I ugly” bullshit. That is classic a “nice guy” manipulation tactic. He’s heading down a pretty dark path.
Your documentation felt sensitive and not sensationalized, though I could have done with a time stamp for the audio clip from the doc* (but perhaps I was in such a scramble to fast forward I didn't see it). Thank you for your work. I hope you are well.
I didnt know if I could watch this... because when these allegations came out, they made me feel sick. This is almost exactly what happened to me. I feel so sorry for her. It's so hard to feel like this isn't all your fault. But it isn't I hope she's ok
As someone who left a 10 year long relationship that was like this back in 2021, this was hard to listen to. I’m just happy she got out. This gets so dangerous…
@@phantacarrytemari Thera are many reasons as to why someone stays in an abusive relationship. The partner could be threatening them or outright violent, which causes fear and fear keeps people trapped. The partner could isolate them by keeping them away from friends and family. The partner could take away money or other things that help someone get away. Some survivors of abusive relationships can end up feeling like they deserve the abusive because their abuser has gaslit them into thinking that this. Trauma is a real killer of someone's sense of self and when they are subjected to it for a long time, it erodes their sense of self worth. It's easy to say "just leave" if you have no experience but once you end up in such a situation, you will see how difficult that can be for a variety of reasons
@@BucketOfFuk or its because for 9 years their relationship was fine and then all the sudden things went wrong. its not always about being trapped or being threatened.
@@BucketOfFuk you cant speak "in general" because thats not how it works. its not "in general" about leaving a toxic relationship because youve been threatened or trapped, and its not about the relationship going south at the very end either. whats "in general" is leaving the relationship because it was toxic. dont come up with assumptions for anything.
being new to the valorant community / esport scene has made this situation very unclear and kept in the dark for me and some of my friends who play valorant as well. so thank you for this, this entire situation seems very covered up imo considering how many of some of my favorite content creators / pros play w him. i was always aware that he did something shitty, but not to this extent. whether or not he did sa cleo still does not change the fact that he heavily manipulated cleo and emotionally abused her. this is still a form of abuse many people seem to just brush under the rug and pass it off as if it doesn’t exist. it’s really sad to see so many people in the community just ignoring it and being like “well he’s my fav pro / creator so idc” despite the screenshots provided even if they weren’t SA.
I had to stop watching this after a while. It’s a really well made video, and I’m so so glad it handles the situation with respect. But I can’t watch it. I have no history with assault, but I can easily see myself end up in a similar relationship. The kind where I don’t feel safe being honest about my feelings, where I’d prioritise ”not making a fuss” over being honest with myself of what is actually going on. Yes, allegations might be false. As outsiders we don’t have the whole picture, and we never will. But each allegation should be respected, should be taken seriously, because it is so much more likely that a dismissal will forever hurt a victim than an investigation will hurt someone falsely accused.
Oh yay someone's talking about this, I just saw him playing valorant with like 14k viewers and I was like wtf he still has a career and was wandering if I missed something. Can't wait to watch this learn everything
I appreciate your approach to this topic, and that you covered it at all. I was very involved in the OW community, and Sinatraa always came across as a complete d-bag. So upsetting to see the praise he was met with when he returned to twitch. Made me sick to my stomach. Even if I were someone who liked the guy before the allegations, we don't know what happened. No one does except he and Cleo, and we can only hope the truth will be revealed someday. I believe the victim.
i completely agree. it genuinely makes me sick knowing he still has a career and is making plenty of money to be well off for the rest of his life from twitch.
So what happened to inmocent til proven guilty? It just doesnt exist nowadays huh. You said it yourself, we don't know what happened truly and yet ur picking sides. Literally contradicting yourself rn.
@@areldo Innocent until proven guilty. He looks pathetic but thats about it. He refused to cooperate, but so did she. The audio clip not only was edited, but when asked for the full clip she refused. Why? we dont know. Jay didnt cooperate w the investigation, which almost immediately makes him look guilty. Why? we also dont know. For the audio clip is it because it was out of context? Well i wouldnt speculate on it or a fucking moron with brain smoother than a babys butt like u would start protesting about how rape never gets through court trials through this entire goddamn comment section. You are getting riled up for no reason. could jay not cooperating w the investigation be due to the saying “ speak to my lawyer first”? maybe too. or maybe jay paid enough for the justice system to overlook his case. but, unless theres a reason for everything done so far, for both sides, and both sides scream, oh jay clearly raped her, then we will be against him. if both sides scream she staged this to ruin him because of a petty ex shenanigan. we will be against her. But right now, both of them seem like feuding kids. Right? Why do both of them seem so shady and hide evidence? U cannot be biased towards a girl, js because she is the same gender as you( im assuming ure a girl dont take offence). Im a dude and honestly i would take her side, because those texts are pretty damn incriminating of his mental state at that time. But all i can say is, innocent till proven guilty. The evidence isnt concrete. Sex might have been consensual with things like roleplay. If it wasnt, why didnt she post the entire audio clip? or refuse to even share it w the police? why? was she hiding smth? And mind you, influencers nowadays cannot just shout into the wind and say they are innocent. These videos never change the masses minds. So it is understandable jay would not post anyth about it.His ex might not have the funds to continue, that is also a might be, or even probable. however, why hasnt she said anything? im sure u of all people, and people like minded as well would donate to see justice to her. It is, and i hate to say it, easy for her to appeal to the masses to help put this sick man behind bars as u might think. Why are both of them tweaking out of their damn minds? We can js sit back, and watch. Whether people support sinatraa, or dont, or despise him, We all do not condone SA. It is a breach and a violation. Never have us guys been raised to ever use force on a woman to get our way. If sinatraa proves guilty, put him behind bars forever. If he isnt i feel that his ex should offer him at least an apology. Either way, this would ruin both their reputations, so whichever side is lying, they are preparing for war. both of them still decide to no cooperate and cleo even withdrew. we are not these people so we wont know whats gg on. lets js sit back and wait for this to blow over
@@xforce6213 did i miss a court case or is he currently sitting pretty making a decent living off of twitch rather than in a prison cell? he is currently living innocent until proven otherwise, i however, can still have my opinion on the situation just like you can, my friend. Believing victims is important in the bigger picture, and I urge you to look into it yourself as it is far too much for me to explain over TH-cam comments lol, it’s alright for you to be confused by it though, some people just don’t understand it fully. I used to not understand too.
My ex did almost all of the things detailed here too. He even dreams of being a professional streamer although he is not as good at games as he thinks he is, and he has all the charisma of a rock.
Jay lied to the investigators, didn't provide evidence that was supposed to prove he was completely innocent, essentially admitted to half the allegations that would be far less severe in terms of punishment, and people still believe he did nothing wrong and Cleoh is just a salty-ex.
Great video. It is so disappointing everytime I realize how many people put money and/or status before people, or even the betterment of society. I have been through stuff similar to this, and a lot of times I didn't even actually realize what had happened to me or what was happening to me until I went into counseling or talked about it. I know that is the same for a lot of other people as well, where they don't even realize it's happening, or don't want to acknowledge it's happening unless they have to.
Dafran's words are true. But its just too harsh for some people to accept and react. what he meant that some people are scarier than you think. some people are opportunistic. that's why he said that we need to hear 2 sides of the stories.
sinatraa is like that little brother who grew up a total nerd that you and all your friends picked on, then he became somewhat important and now lil bro is super self righteous, insecure and acting way bigger and tougher than he is. he seems to be getting better but we will see.
This video was pretty dishonest as you left out insanely crucial amount of information. You left out the timing of the documents written by cleoh. The first document came out right before challengers 1 and the second document came out EXACTLY when he came back to playing ranked. Leaving out this context makes everything seem different. There was a motive for these documents to be released at the time they did. She admitted to deleting the second document because she was mad that sinatraa was getting attention which almost devalues the entire document. She added the Trans part in only to defile his name. In addition, one of your comments was mind numbingly stupid. After playing the audio clip from the first document you described “the audio showing clear signs that she wanted to stop.” Idk if you’re a virgin or perhaps have never been in a relationship, but consent is much more complex than that. It is completely disingenuous to say that and ruins the entire video right there. Consent is not as simple as “if the word no is said then its sexual assault.” You can be raped even if you didn’t say No. You can be raped if you said yes. You can have consensual sex even if you say No. You obviously don’t have the knowledge to be covering this topic as you have a 2D idea of what consent is. Lastly, having people narrate the text is complete BS and you know it. You allowed the voice actors to apply their own tone and emotion to text which even further delegitimizes this video. Do better honestly.
I don't know or really care about any of this (was just watching YT) but yes the voiceovers from terrible actors definitely proved biased for one party. How can you get that kind of context from text without filling in your own perception.
thank you so much for this - I’m new to the valorant world and I watch Sinatraa as many other esport valo players (probably why this came in my recommended) - I won’t be watching him or supporting him anymore though.
was sinatraa a shitty and abusive boyfriend … maybe , but it also seemed like just a really immature relationship overall. i think this video is heavily biased towards cloe and kinda unfair to sinatraa. He didn’t put out evidence and receipts instantly like the other parties involved because of his fear of punishment from the literal 3 organizations, + police/law case, investigating it. Cloe’s receipts aren’t really receipts as much as they are cringe and mean/manipulative texts and an audio clip with no context where she says “no” in what seems like a very unserious or joking tone that could be misinterpreted.
While it can be misunderstood, at the same time there is more than just flight or fight when dealing with a situation. There is also freeze and fawn, either locking up going silent or trying to appease and be sweet in hopes to lower the risk of danger. A lot of people will fawn the person they deem as a threat in hopes to dampen the person's aggression. As you can see in the texts, she clearly kept him "calm" by agreeing and being sweet to him. She may have laughed or been playful while saying no to try to hide her pain and fear from her abuser. This is one of the many things that make it difficult for anyone (not just women) to come out about this kind of abuse and why it's so common.
@@a.a131 what are you even saying… she is clearly saying it in like a baby tone just how they talk over text to avoid having to be confrontational over it. Im just saying this video is heavily biased and misses the timing and details of how cloe handled the situation.
@@a.a131 the only thing that seems off is that Sinatraa was aware of the recording implying the recording was consenting. Could have been role-playing having a safe word. There is also a longer version that apparently sinatraa lost which is sketchy some of it’s muggy water for me. I can see it both ways edit: grammer
39:28 So, based on this she should have the video herself then right? If not why not turn it over? I don't know about you guys but whenever I send a video it's saved in the text thread and in the original device. So there's a reasonable assumption that she should have had it. Look, I'm not saying anything he did was ok, it never is. But you have to understand that people who conducting investigations and have the power to fine or imprison people based on allegations, you have to cooperate with them to the best of your ability. If you don't, there's nothing they can do. They are not the mob, they are officers of the law and they have to follow them just as much as we do. Furthermore, nobody truly thinks that woman are lying about this stuff. If they do then someone they know or care about has never been in that position. Many women have had experiences where they've been taken advantage or horrifically abused, and chances are if they are opening to you about it it's likely true. But, that doesn't mean you have to 100% believe it, you have to have some degree of skepticism. And furthermore, we can not take the law into our own hands and decide who is and is not guilty. There are certain people who I wish I could hold accountable for actions like this, but I doubt anything good would come from that. I truly hope she is getting therapy for what she's gone through, my wife had to do the same due to what she experienced.
@@kaylih974 so by ur logic, ur saying if sinatraa released a 9 page document sayin tht he innocent, then he's innocent? "because it's a 9 page document, so everything written in tht document is true". just cuz Cle0h released a 9 page document sayin tht sinatraa did all those things, doesn't instantly mean he did all those things, why can't u kids get this??
@@kaylih974 cuz he didn't write a long essay to the fans and haters out there? this is between him, Cle0h and the authorities. him publicizing it would only make it worse. but for Cle0h, she has to put it out in public, for what? idk, uhm maybe to ruin his career? only to not continue the allegations later on because it was bad for her mental health because she was getting threats from fans, well what did you expect from putting ur personal problems on twitter?
It makes me feel sorry for the dogs whenever serious accusations come to light. They dogs are used as maneuvers of deflection, as to make the allegedly accused more relatable.
I mean theres been more than a couple of similar cases where everyone instantly believe the alleged victim and for example the one that ''did it'' gets expelled from their school and gets their lives ruined or in this case gets a whole career in the competitive scene taken away just from one allegation. Till this day there hasn't been a clear verdict and he still is not allowed to play in tournaments. I'd say the allegation ruined his chance at stardom in the esports scene for good, now he is just another what if
This exact same situation happened to me and my roommate/best friend! I tell him no ten times then he works his way up again and repeat, until I give up but I always plan to kick him in the balls!! But I'm too scared because he can kick me out. I believer her 100%
sounds really biased and one sided. tho i dont watch sinatraa i can already tell the coverage is rlly on the girls side. No matter the result a coverage should be unbiased. Thank u for the info tho.
Now I don’t know the truth, and if sinatraa really did it I hope Cleo gets her justice. However, am I the only one of the opinion that everyone is after his neck even tho nothing is proven? From what I’ve followed from most of all the evidence from the past year, their relationship was highly toxic. We’re so quick to take the victims side, which initially is the correct course of action. But when continuous evidence comes out and some of it is shaky, then we should remove ourselves of that notion, and be more objective. All we can really do is wait for the truth to be dug up.
Idk call me old fashioned but I believe going to the authorities is better than posting documents on Twitter, ofc after a conviction the documents could be released , but just screaming abuse on social media does look skeptical can't lie
Why is it that the first place people take this is Twitter, and not the Police? Riot Games are probably not the best agency to rely on for investigating allegations of sexual abuse, you know?
Also proving cases like these are excruciating and costly. Often regardless of the evidence nothing happens at all and it was just something difficult to put yourself through for possibly years when you could be healing instead
Always truly impressed by your content. I knew nothing about these people or the situation, but it seems like you approached this with the seriousness and sensitivity it deserves. You also kept it interesting and easy to follow.
this comment section is a prime mf example as to why us victims never get believed. it's always "there's not enough evidence!" or sum other bullshit they be comin up with. 😐
@@yourson8637 i'm well aware. clearly i don't want that, i'm talkin about victims right now, i don't see why i should mention that when i'm speakin only on victims.
Now what I think is usually if something happens once it usually happens again. Here is an example: Someone gets mad at a game and so they yell, and they switch games and it happens again. That is what I’m thinking for how his ex is wrong. The thing I am saying happens in relationships a lot too. A BF or GF might yell at their significant other and they split up. The Bf/GF that yelled gets together with someone else, and same thing happens again.
Although this video is very well made from a production stand point, as someone who followed the allegations and didn't really like Sinatraa, I feel this is extremely biased towards Cleoh.
Call me an asshole or whatever you want but I never keep up with pros and what not, it’s just not my thing. But from the moment I first seen sinatraa, didn’t know about any of the things going on, he just looked like a fuckin creep and it doesn’t surprise me whatsoever that he’s in a situation like this. It’s in the eyes, he doesn’t seem like a genuine person.
@@casualwatcher5029 u clearly haven’t gone outside enough or talked to people. Yes it’s a common thing to know people’s true intentions by the looks in their eyes. But I mean you have XXX as your picture there’s no reason to argue with a 10 year old wanna be sad kid.
@@youngpp4885 "u clearly haven’t gone outside enough or talked to people", says the person wastin his life in his room tryna set "world records" in a dead game lmfaoo. bruh u literally saying, he looks like a fckin creep so he most be a creep. like bro ppl are more complex than tht, u'd know tht if u gone outside enough or talked to ppl. 🤓"It’s in the eyes, he doesn’t seem like a genuine person." LMFAOOO he thinks he can read ppl like batman or sum anime character or smt idk bruh. im deadddddddddddddddddd
@@reditis1256 when was the court date? you understand that if there was a meeting at criminal court scheduled there would be record of it. there would also be record of it if she didn't show because that IS punishable by the court
okay these girls are somewhat deceptive the guys did something for sure but I do not think it is just cuz the girls intention were to cancel the guys completely
Get away with what, your latterly accusing someone of rape and saying "you know he'll get away with it" I hope this exact situation happends to you and try to even think about the sentence you just made.
@@nrgnegative2595 well no shit. but the point is, no one knows if he’s guilty or not, so therefore you can’t say he ISNT guilty. either way he was a shit boyfriend who was full of insecurities and didn’t care about hurting her.
@@areldo It was an immature relationship on both sides. sinatraa seems like a POS, but cle0h is not innocent at all. Seems like both of them are psychos.
@@MemeSama BWC evaluated both sides of the case, including community response. Just because he didn't agree with sinatraa's failure to provide evidence doesn't make him bias
@@slips. As I said, there really isn't any use explaining it to you. FYI BWC not agreeing with any one particular side is bias no matter how you look at it, whether it be sinatraa or cle0h
Corporations and society are to blame. All corporations focus on are subs and all they see is money they can make off of them. If society wouldn't label these people as celebrities, they wouldn't have Kanye size egos and think they are untouchable.
I really enjoy watching sinatraa, I wish he was completely innocent but he isnt getting out of this. He treated her like shit, although I can understand why he is upset in many of the messages, I can't imagine myself treating someone like that. He was a public figure, and redirected the stress and emotions onto her. In my mind, he used her for the validation he desperately needed, constantly being under so much scrutiny takes a toll. Cleo has every right to call sinatraa out like this, but I personally don't think this (as it's still w/ out conclusion) "scandal?" is worthy of him being blacklisted from competitive valorant. Maybe I am just upset that one of my favorite players isn't playing, and am convincing myself that he's a better person than he is. I hope he has learned from his past relationship, or else his career if not already will be done. edit: if he's actually proven guilty I would hope he'd be out. I could've worded it a bit better, but w/ out a clear cut conclusion. It's hard to start treating someone as guilty when he very well could be innocent. it's undisputable that he's guilty of being a shitty ass boyfriend who manipulated his girl. But there's still reasonable doubt.
how dare you call this a "scandal". he raped his girlfriend. she tells him sex is painful because of her IUD, yet he continues to do it anyway. he pressured her into sex so many times. Please do not continue to support this monster. he has no respect for women or boundaries. you do realize if this could be proven he would go to prison? this is a serious matter. he deserves to have no career after this. there are many other players worth supporting.
@@areldo I have no clue what that 7 second audio even was. All I know is that they were being cringe. Wtf where both of them doing that’s not how either of them talk normally.
If she has evidence then she should present it legally and a technical team can quickly verify the veracity of the evidence she could provide. It's a strange situation, because she's clearly not afraid to speak up... she already did, but she did it in a way that the veracity cannot be verified. The evidence should have been presented legally or at least now that she is clearly no longer afraid. I say that she clearly is not afraid because basically she ALREADY TALKED AND TOLD HER ENTIRE STORY about her, even publishing audios (out of context), so I don't understand why she doesn't present that evidence correctly in the appropriate place. Can anyone imagine that a game company can do a better investigation than the special teams that official justice has? Sinatraa must not prove her innocence...justice must prove him guilty. She should simply bring her evidence (which she already used to create content) to justice with an official accusation. I personally think that the chats show a toxic relationship between two very young people... I would almost go so far as to say that this is a teen drama on which many current series on different streaming platforms are based. So far the only concrete thing is a person who believes they have been the victim of an abusive relationship (I think it was a toxic relationship) and who supposedly has evidence to prove it but inexplicably has not done so yet... the method for expose evidence that does not prove anything on social networks, when in reality they should be presented in court. Perhaps this evidence is not presented in court because its veracity cannot be verified? Perhaps neither of them wants to expose the bad treatment they had mutually? I repeat, at the moment nothing published seems to be conclusive or real proof... chats out of context where even she would look bad if it wasn't for her explaining "the" context. I don't care if he is the professional player of a game, and I don't think justice would care about he is a pro-player if the alleged victim provide the evidence that she claims to have in her possession. Either way I feel sorry for both of them... I feel sorry for him because he shows that he was a guy who mishandled a toxic relationship. She makes me feel sorry for the supposed lack of character in that relationship (it could have been in any other relationship too) where apparently she didn't have what she wanted or she wasn't happy. In both cases, each one is responsible for how they handle that toxic relationship, and they should not blame the other party for not making the decisions they should have made according to their stories. There is nothing published so far that is enough to accuse him of such serious charges as abuse and rape. I think the world is crazy, and the fault lies with all the crazy people who play on social networks with issues that should be treated seriously in the corresponding areas. We are all innocent until proven otherwise. (not like they want to do now, where "everyone is guilty until proven innocent")
I keep wondering how are people watching sinatraa on twtich, why is he in all these valorant clip compilations? Then I realize reading some of these comments, they are kids, who have never had people in thier life that experience this. People who go through what cleoh went through often attempt suicide, are depressed, or have serious mental illness following the situation through thier entire life. What we know what is true is that he was a manipulator in the relationship and pressured her to have sex frequently. Thats enough for most people, he has even slightly admitted to it, yet people act like nothing happened? Just confusing to me.
This video is bs af. They watch him Because they know he is innocent. The case is closed. He was never proved guilty. She did not appear on the court hearing day and put the case on hold. Its been months now. Innocent until proved guilty. Got nothing more to say but if you are gonna reply pls do a decent reply or a normal conversation. I dont want that you are probably still a kid bs. I will turn 17 soon I am a kid.
@@reditis1256 The text are enough evidence that he was super insecure and whether it was intentional or not manipulative and pressured her to have sex when she said she didn’t want to no?
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The sad reality is that even if Sinatraa is guilty, the legal case won't do anything. The reality is that the hoops you have to jump through to prove sexual misconduct and rape is so high, I lost a rape case, and that was with a positive rape kit done
i'm so sorry to hear that, the justice system is so fucked up
I can understand that too much. I still have to see my cousin at family gatherings after what he did to me. I hope you’re able to heal. Hopefully one day the universe gives you what you deserve, which is to be loved and not taken advantage of. I hope your road to healing is smooth for you, the justice system is really fucked up sometimes
I totally understand how painful that can be :( and you are not alone💜
Holy moly. Exactly why I’ve never fought a single one. Which I’m aware is stupidly and seriously not helpful.
He's not guilty do your research and you will see this. The evidence is a joke and I always do my own research into these cases
Date rape, martial rape, domestic rape, are all very real and happen far more than anyone wants to admit. I’ve been following this story since it broke and it makes me ill. No means no means no, and it should be the first thing taught to all students in Health when covering sex ed.
Unfortunately, often domestic rape is considered far more “they said/ they said” than stranger-the-attacker rape, and is often chalked up to, “they should have been a better partner, it’s domestic disturbance at best, be better.” Esports, just like any pro-sports, has a BIG problem. There will be more.
It’s a damn shame. Sexual assault is sexual assault. These women deserve better. I hope they can heal and have healthy relationships in the future.
bro he didnt even do it lol, she went ghost whenever she was asked to take it to court and it was proven that it was false
cool comment but many MANY women lie and that makes this shit unbelievable so focus on getting your girls right
Stay mad i fear
Have you actually listened to the audio clip?? You can find it on TH-cam and its not age restricted, since it just sounds like 2 people laughing and being playful. Saying that was her being in extreme pain and Sinaatra should've known is a huge stretch.
@@quinn3399 yea like that never happen in rape case ever, especially when the person has a huge public presence.
FYI ladies; IUD's shouldn't and don't cause pain during sex, if you think it is, go back to your OBGYN.
I’m not a girl, but when I heard that I knew something was very, very wrong. Granted I’m gay, but if I was having sex with my boyfriend and he said it hurt like, I’d stop. Wouldn’t any normal person? I couldn’t imagine doing that, where they’re telling you it hurts and you just? Keep going?? But yes very good advice I’m glad someone got to it before me
@@stuglife5514 because a lot of media tells girls sex hurts sometimes we (me) don't realize for a long time something is wrong. I grew up in the church and we were just told to close our eyes and think about flowers. And wait for it to be over because it would hurt. And so I took that to mean it will always hurt. So when it did I wasn't surprised and neither way my partner. I didn't realize for a ridiculously long time there was an issue :(
I had an IUD put in a few years ago, and one time after sex with my fiance I started having a lot of pain. It was like a Sunday night, so I went to the ER because the pain was so bad I was puking, and I was worried about a rupture. Yes, it's rare, but it does happen.
The first provider who saw me was a female resident. She was very sympathetic, wanted to manage my pain and get me an ultrasound. But the attending, who was a man, shut that all down. He came into my room and told me (and I swear to God he said this, I remember it clearly to this day), "My wife has an IUD and she has pain after sex all of the time. It's normal."
So, not only did he dismiss *MY* pain, he did so by just casually telling me that he was torturing his wife with sex.
Many years later, I was finally diagnosed with endometriosis, uterine fibroids, and pelvic congestion syndrome - which is basically varicose veins, but on the inside. My surgeon said my pelvic veins were some of the biggest he'd ever seen. I'm pretty sure that any of those could be why I had so much pain after sex (years later I started having severe pain after sex without the IUD, which is what encouraged me to fight to get a diagnosis). And I've heard other women with similar diagnoses say that IUDs were very uncomfortable for them.
I'm in a psychology of gender class and learned that the US is the only place that inserts IUD's awake or without any numbing at all, and then you're expected to go back to work right after like you just got your teeth cleaned. usually when people are in pain after insertion its either because it was inserted wrong, or they have fibriods, cysts, endo, etc. I feel like you should have ultra sounds or something because especiallly ovarian cysts are super common and a lot of people start birth control to stop period pain...
@@ellis20022 Well that class or Prof was completely full of shit as I am Canadian and my 3 iud insertions were done without numbing...Also why would you want a just as painful needle stabbing in the place? Its done in most obgyn offices in England and Ireland the same according to my cousins because it is a 10 min procedure barring the iud isn't defective.
How are his texts the most pathetic stuff I have ever had the misfortune of reading? What did I do to deserve this?
He literally types like an 8 year old on their first iPad. A grown man who uses technology and social media professionally. The fuck?
@@itscjhey Honestly can we really call people like him grown men? Legally theyre adults and should be treated like so, but calling someone a grown man has a certain type of air to it. Hes still a child in the mind. This kind of behavior is disgusting, and I think the problem with it comes from his life revolving around social media, the internet, and video games. This guy doesn’t live in the real world. He think because he’s a good gamer who makes money playing Esports that he’s some sort of important person in society. We see it all the time with celebrities that are so disconnected from the real world that they end up with distorted world views that are perverted at best and a complete fantasy at worst (For example, Seth Rogan claiming that his car being broken into 17 times is perfectly normal) this “man” is disgusting. It’s truly disgusting that he felt like it was okay to talk like that. My ex girlfriend from highschool acted like that, and she’s stabbed people, stalked me, and is a huge narssasist. This guy exudes huge emotional manipulation energy. Strait up emotional abuse
@@siphons in no way does it justify his actions.
@@stuglife5514 he is a fully developed adult biological male, therefore factually a fully grown man
Jesus, seeing those texts of him demanding to know where she was were genuinely _terrifying._ Makes him sound like the kind of person who would end up murdering their partner, I'm so glad she got away and I legitimately fear for anyone else who gets involved with him.
His current relationship status is irrelevant.
@CrystaLLse its pretty clearly real, why is it so hard for people to believe this poor girl?
@@areldo Because he didn't? It's been proven fake. The evidence was not valid, and most of the evidence provided was stuff that could easily be forged. It's crazy, man. I literally just told you that it's fake, but you will 100% gloss over the fact that what she did was not only weird and sketchy, but you won't acknowledge it. So I'll do it for you. He didn't do it, it's proven, and you won't care because she isn't a victim anymore, and Sinatraa is, therefore you won't care.
@@CringeForImDontai then why didn’t he cooperate if he’s so innocent. he lied in his response. he couldn’t supply the evidence he said he would. end of discussion. why is it so hard for people to believe the victim. what does she gain from this? she is only getting attacked daily. who would purposefully do this to themselves. it makes no sense.
@@CringeForImDontai if you can prove to me that he is, i will take my statements back, but the evidence is pretty damning.
It’s rape. Let’s just call it a rape allegation, not sexual assault or abuse. When someone says no, and the other doesn’t stop, it’s rape.
You don’t know that even if you believed it you wouldn’t know 100%
@@creeperkillz3148 hey bud I said it’s a rape allegation. What she’s alleging is rape, not sexual abuse.
@@creeperkillz3148 that has nothing to do with whether it's true. Lars is referring to the allegation* being rape, not sexual assault. because it is. the allegation is rape whether it's true.
@@hnktbt I’m glad what I said made sense. After that comment, I was worried I didn’t communicate it properly.
@@larsland you had it right, i'm not sure that comment is made in good faith lol
Whether Jay is a guilty or not he seems like a pretty pathetic and insecure man who is probably emotionally draining to be around.
I like him tbh but the messages are actually embarrassing
He's not guilty but agree he's a whiney dude
@@malazan6004 what troubles me most is the “am I ugly” bullshit. That is classic a “nice guy” manipulation tactic. He’s heading down a pretty dark path.
@@eiiisc he's a guy who plays the game 12 hours a day what do u expect
@@jamiekamihachi3135 💀 bro every mans has been down that road
Your documentation felt sensitive and not sensationalized, though I could have done with a time stamp for the audio clip from the doc* (but perhaps I was in such a scramble to fast forward I didn't see it). Thank you for your work. I hope you are well.
Why would you have needed an audio clip for the doc? Genuine question
@@SweaterL Oh dear.
@@Scarleto nobody cares. TW you’re not normal
@@slothschewgum r u okay? lol
@@SweaterL hearing something like that can be triggering for some, especially victims of sexual assault
I didnt know if I could watch this... because when these allegations came out, they made me feel sick. This is almost exactly what happened to me. I feel so sorry for her. It's so hard to feel like this isn't all your fault. But it isn't
I hope she's ok
I hope you're ok too ❤️
i'm sending you good vibes 💓 hope you're okay as well!
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@@migoreng7789 ❤
Survivor to survivor, I see you and hope you’re ok, too.
As someone who left a 10 year long relationship that was like this back in 2021, this was hard to listen to. I’m just happy she got out. This gets so dangerous…
my only question is why yall just dont get out of the relation ? (10yrs thats insane)
@@phantacarrytemari Thera are many reasons as to why someone stays in an abusive relationship. The partner could be threatening them or outright violent, which causes fear and fear keeps people trapped. The partner could isolate them by keeping them away from friends and family. The partner could take away money or other things that help someone get away. Some survivors of abusive relationships can end up feeling like they deserve the abusive because their abuser has gaslit them into thinking that this.
Trauma is a real killer of someone's sense of self and when they are subjected to it for a long time, it erodes their sense of self worth.
It's easy to say "just leave" if you have no experience but once you end up in such a situation, you will see how difficult that can be for a variety of reasons
@@BucketOfFuk or its because for 9 years their relationship was fine and then all the sudden things went wrong. its not always about being trapped or being threatened.
@@soggy_-qc9qq I'm speaking in general
@@BucketOfFuk you cant speak "in general" because thats not how it works. its not "in general" about leaving a toxic relationship because youve been threatened or trapped, and its not about the relationship going south at the very end either. whats "in general" is leaving the relationship because it was toxic. dont come up with assumptions for anything.
being new to the valorant community / esport scene has made this situation very unclear and kept in the dark for me and some of my friends who play valorant as well.
so thank you for this, this entire situation seems very covered up imo considering how many of some of my favorite content creators / pros play w him. i was always aware that he did something shitty, but not to this extent. whether or not he did sa cleo still does not change the fact that he heavily manipulated cleo and emotionally abused her. this is still a form of abuse many people seem to just brush under the rug and pass it off as if it doesn’t exist. it’s really sad to see so many people in the community just ignoring it and being like “well he’s my fav pro / creator so idc” despite the screenshots provided even if they weren’t SA.
she could have been honest with him at least. thats the only thing i hold against cle0h. "am i ugly?" her answer every time shouldve been "yea".
_sigh_ that guy's personality was/is so horrible and his actions were/are so nauseating, I don't think there's a need to attack his appearance haha
@@SisselSasha its not an attack its just an observation ok
two emotional abuses don't make a right
I had to stop watching this after a while. It’s a really well made video, and I’m so so glad it handles the situation with respect. But I can’t watch it.
I have no history with assault, but I can easily see myself end up in a similar relationship. The kind where I don’t feel safe being honest about my feelings, where I’d prioritise ”not making a fuss” over being honest with myself of what is actually going on.
Yes, allegations might be false. As outsiders we don’t have the whole picture, and we never will. But each allegation should be respected, should be taken seriously, because it is so much more likely that a dismissal will forever hurt a victim than an investigation will hurt someone falsely accused.
Oh yay someone's talking about this, I just saw him playing valorant with like 14k viewers and I was like wtf he still has a career and was wandering if I missed something. Can't wait to watch this learn everything
He can stream, but he can't compete unless a team wants loads of negative backlash, so whether he did it or not he's professional career is finished
@@eiiisc He probably makes more streaming than playing professionally tbh. 10k viewers average per night is considered pretty big on twitch
@@nocapper5543 Yeah that's true, he was making 25k a month from the sentinel contract but he's probably making double that now
Because he didn't do it do your own research. The "evidence" is a load of crap
people move on from a story when there hasnt been any news in almost half a year
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The video: _dissecting the validity of serious real life allegations with real world consequences_
The music: 💃 💃 💃
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He is clearly gaslighting her in them texts
I appreciate your approach to this topic, and that you covered it at all. I was very involved in the OW community, and Sinatraa always came across as a complete d-bag. So upsetting to see the praise he was met with when he returned to twitch. Made me sick to my stomach. Even if I were someone who liked the guy before the allegations, we don't know what happened. No one does except he and Cleo, and we can only hope the truth will be revealed someday. I believe the victim.
i completely agree. it genuinely makes me sick knowing he still has a career and is making plenty of money to be well off for the rest of his life from twitch.
So what happened to inmocent til proven guilty? It just doesnt exist nowadays huh. You said it yourself, we don't know what happened truly and yet ur picking sides. Literally contradicting yourself rn.
@@xforce6213 yet you’re on his side.
@@areldo Innocent until proven guilty. He looks pathetic but thats about it. He refused to cooperate, but so did she. The audio clip not only was edited, but when asked for the full clip she refused. Why? we dont know. Jay didnt cooperate w the investigation, which almost immediately makes him look guilty. Why? we also dont know. For the audio clip is it because it was out of context? Well i wouldnt speculate on it or a fucking moron with brain smoother than a babys butt like u would start protesting about how rape never gets through court trials through this entire goddamn comment section. You are getting riled up for no reason. could jay not cooperating w the investigation be due to the saying “ speak to my lawyer first”? maybe too. or maybe jay paid enough for the justice system to overlook his case. but, unless theres a reason for everything done so far, for both sides, and both sides scream, oh jay clearly raped her, then we will be against him. if both sides scream she staged this to ruin him because of a petty ex shenanigan. we will be against her. But right now, both of them seem like feuding kids. Right? Why do both of them seem so shady and hide evidence? U cannot be biased towards a girl, js because she is the same gender as you( im assuming ure a girl dont take offence). Im a dude and honestly i would take her side, because those texts are pretty damn incriminating of his mental state at that time. But all i can say is, innocent till proven guilty. The evidence isnt concrete. Sex might have been consensual with things like roleplay. If it wasnt, why didnt she post the entire audio clip? or refuse to even share it w the police? why? was she hiding smth? And mind you, influencers nowadays cannot just shout into the wind and say they are innocent. These videos never change the masses minds. So it is understandable jay would not post anyth about it.His ex might not have the funds to continue, that is also a might be, or even probable. however, why hasnt she said anything? im sure u of all people, and people like minded as well would donate to see justice to her. It is, and i hate to say it, easy for her to appeal to the masses to help put this sick man behind bars as u might think. Why are both of them tweaking out of their damn minds? We can js sit back, and watch. Whether people support sinatraa, or dont, or despise him, We all do not condone SA. It is a breach and a violation. Never have us guys been raised to ever use force on a woman to get our way. If sinatraa proves guilty, put him behind bars forever. If he isnt i feel that his ex should offer him at least an apology. Either way, this would ruin both their reputations, so whichever side is lying, they are preparing for war. both of them still decide to no cooperate and cleo even withdrew. we are not these people so we wont know whats gg on. lets js sit back and wait for this to blow over
@@xforce6213 did i miss a court case or is he currently sitting pretty making a decent living off of twitch rather than in a prison cell? he is currently living innocent until proven otherwise, i however, can still have my opinion on the situation just like you can, my friend. Believing victims is important in the bigger picture, and I urge you to look into it yourself as it is far too much for me to explain over TH-cam comments lol, it’s alright for you to be confused by it though, some people just don’t understand it fully. I used to not understand too.
Domestic and date rape is a lot more common than it should be
this is not an argument one way or another, but the editing in the vid makes the screenshots absolutely unreadable..
feel free to read the statements yourself then
My ex did almost all of the things detailed here too. He even dreams of being a professional streamer although he is not as good at games as he thinks he is, and he has all the charisma of a rock.
E ww gross, you couldn't enforce a condom either😢
I really hate hearing the messages gamer couples send to each other they’re always so cringe
Jay lied to the investigators, didn't provide evidence that was supposed to prove he was completely innocent, essentially admitted to half the allegations that would be far less severe in terms of punishment, and people still believe he did nothing wrong and Cleoh is just a salty-ex.
i mean she is a salty ex
I read that Cleoh failed to cooperate with the investigations too, though I’m unsure how factual that is
@@notlinxy6007 did you watch the video??
Investigators aren’t there to help you, they are working to actively prove you’re guilty. I pray you never step into a interrogation room
thank you for covering such a hard topic to discuss. i just wanted to say i really appreciate your bringing light to an issue like this.
Great video. It is so disappointing everytime I realize how many people put money and/or status before people, or even the betterment of society.
I have been through stuff similar to this, and a lot of times I didn't even actually realize what had happened to me or what was happening to me until I went into counseling or talked about it. I know that is the same for a lot of other people as well, where they don't even realize it's happening, or don't want to acknowledge it's happening unless they have to.
And Dr. Skipper is back reading dms again. Bless his soul.
He deserves an award for his performance as Zero
bless
Good to see a new upload!
mistakes mistakes mistakes...it's not a mistake, it's a choice that was fully made and now regretted
I’ve been in similar relationships, my heart goes out to her so much.
I...what is wrong with this world?
prayers. I can relate to her. She’s a brave soul. 🙏🏾
You can relate to falsely accusing someone of sexual assault, you are disgusting and I wish you yourself get falsely accused.
@@tasawwarshafeenahmed7249 Damn bro calm down
LOL
Your really good at these documentaries
Do y’all ever watch the technicals videos about sinatraa?
I wait for these videos, always so well thought out and put together
Great topic for a vid, never heard of this b4. Big up for BWC.
This was a great video. Everything all in one video and clearly marked, nicely put together, articulately narrated. Thanks for putting this out man.
Dafran's words are true. But its just too harsh for some people to accept and react. what he meant that some people are scarier than you think. some people are opportunistic. that's why he said that we need to hear 2 sides of the stories.
poor girl, I hope for the best for her.
sinatraa is like that little brother who grew up a total nerd that you and all your friends picked on, then he became somewhat important and now lil bro is super self righteous, insecure and acting way bigger and tougher than he is. he seems to be getting better but we will see.
Oh god, i had an ex like that. It was terrifying
This video was pretty dishonest as you left out insanely crucial amount of information. You left out the timing of the documents written by cleoh. The first document came out right before challengers 1 and the second document came out EXACTLY when he came back to playing ranked. Leaving out this context makes everything seem different. There was a motive for these documents to be released at the time they did. She admitted to deleting the second document because she was mad that sinatraa was getting attention which almost devalues the entire document. She added the Trans part in only to defile his name. In addition, one of your comments was mind numbingly stupid. After playing the audio clip from the first document you described “the audio showing clear signs that she wanted to stop.” Idk if you’re a virgin or perhaps have never been in a relationship, but consent is much more complex than that. It is completely disingenuous to say that and ruins the entire video right there. Consent is not as simple as “if the word no is said then its sexual assault.” You can be raped even if you didn’t say No. You can be raped if you said yes. You can have consensual sex even if you say No. You obviously don’t have the knowledge to be covering this topic as you have a 2D idea of what consent is. Lastly, having people narrate the text is complete BS and you know it. You allowed the voice actors to apply their own tone and emotion to text which even further delegitimizes this video. Do better honestly.
THANK YOUUUU,FINALLY SUM COMMON SENSE IN THIS COMMENT SECTION LMFAOOO
I don't know or really care about any of this (was just watching YT) but yes the voiceovers from terrible actors definitely proved biased for one party. How can you get that kind of context from text without filling in your own perception.
thank you so much for this - I’m new to the valorant world and I watch Sinatraa as many other esport valo players (probably why this came in my recommended) - I won’t be watching him or supporting him anymore though.
May I ask why?
@@nrgnegative2595 bruh are u stupid
this is extremely biased 💀
@@eightsocks why he stupid?
@@eightsocks Some people like you always trust everything on internet. We should wait until we know everything.
Watching this as someone who works in pro esports. Excited to see your take.
was sinatraa a shitty and abusive boyfriend … maybe , but it also seemed like just a really immature relationship overall. i think this video is heavily biased towards cloe and kinda unfair to sinatraa. He didn’t put out evidence and receipts instantly like the other parties involved because of his fear of punishment from the literal 3 organizations, + police/law case, investigating it. Cloe’s receipts aren’t really receipts as much as they are cringe and mean/manipulative texts and an audio clip with no context where she says “no” in what seems like a very unserious or joking tone that could be misinterpreted.
While it can be misunderstood, at the same time there is more than just flight or fight when dealing with a situation. There is also freeze and fawn, either locking up going silent or trying to appease and be sweet in hopes to lower the risk of danger. A lot of people will fawn the person they deem as a threat in hopes to dampen the person's aggression. As you can see in the texts, she clearly kept him "calm" by agreeing and being sweet to him. She may have laughed or been playful while saying no to try to hide her pain and fear from her abuser. This is one of the many things that make it difficult for anyone (not just women) to come out about this kind of abuse and why it's so common.
"Where she says no... " Bro, YOU think is a "joling" Tone but it doesn't look like that
@@a.a131 what are you even saying… she is clearly saying it in like a baby tone just how they talk over text to avoid having to be confrontational over it. Im just saying this video is heavily biased and misses the timing and details of how cloe handled the situation.
@@a.a131 the only thing that seems off is that Sinatraa was aware of the recording implying the recording was consenting. Could have been role-playing having a safe word. There is also a longer version that apparently sinatraa lost which is sketchy some of it’s muggy water for me. I can see it both ways
edit: grammer
I followed Ow league for a long time and i had no idea this ever happened. Thank you king
why would she even get back to him?? that is just wrong
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So, based on this she should have the video herself then right? If not why not turn it over? I don't know about you guys but whenever I send a video it's saved in the text thread and in the original device. So there's a reasonable assumption that she should have had it.
Look, I'm not saying anything he did was ok, it never is. But you have to understand that people who conducting investigations and have the power to fine or imprison people based on allegations, you have to cooperate with them to the best of your ability. If you don't, there's nothing they can do. They are not the mob, they are officers of the law and they have to follow them just as much as we do.
Furthermore, nobody truly thinks that woman are lying about this stuff. If they do then someone they know or care about has never been in that position. Many women have had experiences where they've been taken advantage or horrifically abused, and chances are if they are opening to you about it it's likely true. But, that doesn't mean you have to 100% believe it, you have to have some degree of skepticism. And furthermore, we can not take the law into our own hands and decide who is and is not guilty.
There are certain people who I wish I could hold accountable for actions like this, but I doubt anything good would come from that. I truly hope she is getting therapy for what she's gone through, my wife had to do the same due to what she experienced.
Dang frank sinatra. You kind of messed up
Somehow out of all of what he did, the way he types is the thing that pisses me off the most
THERE IS NO 100% STATEMENT OR CASE THAT THIS IS PROVEN SO STOP POSTING STUFF LIKE THIS HE DID NOT DO IT UNTIL 100% PROVEN GUILTY.
@@nrgnegative2595 did u like not see her 9 page document or what
@@kaylih974 so by ur logic, ur saying if sinatraa released a 9 page document sayin tht he innocent, then he's innocent? "because it's a 9 page document, so everything written in tht document is true". just cuz Cle0h released a 9 page document sayin tht sinatraa did all those things, doesn't instantly mean he did all those things, why can't u kids get this??
@@casualwatcher5029 only problem is he hasn’t?😭 he has not done that much effort to prove his innocence
@@kaylih974 cuz he didn't write a long essay to the fans and haters out there? this is between him, Cle0h and the authorities. him publicizing it would only make it worse. but for Cle0h, she has to put it out in public, for what? idk, uhm maybe to ruin his career? only to not continue the allegations later on because it was bad for her mental health because she was getting threats from fans, well what did you expect from putting ur personal problems on twitter?
It makes me feel sorry for the dogs whenever serious accusations come to light. They dogs are used as maneuvers of deflection, as to make the allegedly accused more relatable.
I mean theres been more than a couple of similar cases where everyone instantly believe the alleged victim and for example the one that ''did it'' gets expelled from their school and gets their lives ruined or in this case gets a whole career in the competitive scene taken away just from one allegation.
Till this day there hasn't been a clear verdict and he still is not allowed to play in tournaments. I'd say the allegation ruined his chance at stardom in the esports scene for good, now he is just another what if
He can play on tournaments however he can’t get signed to an esports org for now.
This exact same situation happened to me and my roommate/best friend! I tell him no ten times then he works his way up again and repeat, until I give up but I always plan to kick him in the balls!! But I'm too scared because he can kick me out. I believer her 100%
sounds really biased and one sided. tho i dont watch sinatraa i can already tell the coverage is rlly on the girls side. No matter the result a coverage should be unbiased. Thank u for the info tho.
Strongly agreed
yeah
I really wanted to finish this documentary. But by the 20 min mark the female voice over was hurting my brain
Now I don’t know the truth, and if sinatraa really did it I hope Cleo gets her justice. However, am I the only one of the opinion that everyone is after his neck even tho nothing is proven? From what I’ve followed from most of all the evidence from the past year, their relationship was highly toxic. We’re so quick to take the victims side, which initially is the correct course of action. But when continuous evidence comes out and some of it is shaky, then we should remove ourselves of that notion, and be more objective. All we can really do is wait for the truth to be dug up.
Strongly agreed
im pretty sure that jay is innocent
Ya man this video is full of bs
This is fucking crazy...
Idk call me old fashioned but I believe going to the authorities is better than posting documents on Twitter, ofc after a conviction the documents could be released , but just screaming abuse on social media does look skeptical can't lie
This was so beautifully and respectfully done. An awesome awesome watch. Thank you
Location services aren't exactly accurate.
Why is it that the first place people take this is Twitter, and not the Police? Riot Games are probably not the best agency to rely on for investigating allegations of sexual abuse, you know?
How do you know she didn’t go to the police?
Nvm she literally said in this video she went to the police 🤦🏻♀️
Also proving cases like these are excruciating and costly. Often regardless of the evidence nothing happens at all and it was just something difficult to put yourself through for possibly years when you could be healing instead
Always truly impressed by your content. I knew nothing about these people or the situation, but it seems like you approached this with the seriousness and sensitivity it deserves. You also kept it interesting and easy to follow.
L comment section
no cap
this comment section is a prime mf example as to why us victims never get believed. it's always "there's not enough evidence!" or sum other bullshit they be comin up with. 😐
Fr , So much boomer & haters lmao
@@entityoflunar gonna be honest with you, it goes both ways. Do you really want a world where people get instantly jailed for false rape accusations?
@@yourson8637
i'm well aware. clearly i don't want that, i'm talkin about victims right now, i don't see why i should mention that when i'm speakin only on victims.
Now what I think is usually if something happens once it usually happens again. Here is an example: Someone gets mad at a game and so they yell, and they switch games and it happens again. That is what I’m thinking for how his ex is wrong. The thing I am saying happens in relationships a lot too. A BF or GF might yell at their significant other and they split up. The Bf/GF that yelled gets together with someone else, and same thing happens again.
And of course Dafran managed to take the opportunity to reach a new level pathetic. Figures.
Music mixed way too loud
You did a great work ❤️❤️❤️
Overwatch league isn't Blizzard. Two separate Orgs, correct?
I’m sorry but I lost it at “what am I doing wron”
They always take it to Twitter.
Although this video is very well made from a production stand point, as someone who followed the allegations and didn't really like Sinatraa, I feel this is extremely biased towards Cleoh.
What’s the song at the end ?
Call me an asshole or whatever you want but I never keep up with pros and what not, it’s just not my thing. But from the moment I first seen sinatraa, didn’t know about any of the things going on, he just looked like a fuckin creep and it doesn’t surprise me whatsoever that he’s in a situation like this. It’s in the eyes, he doesn’t seem like a genuine person.
lmaooooooo "it's in the eyes" as if somebody's physical appearance, let alone their eyes, could describe a person
@@casualwatcher5029 u clearly haven’t gone outside enough or talked to people. Yes it’s a common thing to know people’s true intentions by the looks in their eyes. But I mean you have XXX as your picture there’s no reason to argue with a 10 year old wanna be sad kid.
@@youngpp4885 "u clearly haven’t gone outside enough or talked to people", says the person wastin his life in his room tryna set "world records" in a dead game lmfaoo. bruh u literally saying, he looks like a fckin creep so he most be a creep. like bro ppl are more complex than tht, u'd know tht if u gone outside enough or talked to ppl. 🤓"It’s in the eyes, he doesn’t seem like a genuine person." LMFAOOO he thinks he can read ppl like batman or sum anime character or smt idk bruh. im deadddddddddddddddddd
now cuz i have xxx in my pfp, he thinks tht i must be a 10 yr old.....
@@casualwatcher5029 can u please keep getting mad and commenting, me and my co workers are fucking crying laughing. Go protect your rapist
Bro y’all know that it was proven that she lied about the sexual assault. This video is so on Cleo’s side so it makes sense that y’all don’t know
When was it proven?
When was it proven and what video did?
@@z1no3n th-cam.com/video/j-O1paGvfCw/w-d-xo.html
@@z1no3n when she did not showed up at court after making allegations. And ya do watch the video that the other guy linked.
@@reditis1256 when was the court date? you understand that if there was a meeting at criminal court scheduled there would be record of it. there would also be record of it if she didn't show because that IS punishable by the court
that XQC clip almost took my life 💀💀💀
Must have been awful to be scared of someone who looks like they're a freshman in highschool
This case is so braindead dude, both are at fault, legit
okay these girls are somewhat deceptive the guys did something for sure but I do not think it is just cuz the girls intention were to cancel the guys completely
the world is in a pretty fucked up state
the xqc clip lmao😂
didnt she make the tiktok harassing's the other girl first lol
um the text messages are wierd asf. like why is all of it in broken english? its confusing
Why he text like a child?
Pretty sure he was literally a child at the time
Witches unite
This is awful but you know he'll get away with it
Get away with what, your latterly accusing someone of rape and saying "you know he'll get away with it" I hope this exact situation happends to you and try to even think about the sentence you just made.
@@nrgnegative2595 wow did u just wish rape upon someone? now that’s a take.
@@areldo Well not exactly but you know if you get falsely or accurately accused of rape you wont be able to say that sentence.
@@nrgnegative2595 well no shit. but the point is, no one knows if he’s guilty or not, so therefore you can’t say he ISNT guilty. either way he was a shit boyfriend who was full of insecurities and didn’t care about hurting her.
@@areldo It was an immature relationship on both sides. sinatraa seems like a POS, but cle0h is not innocent at all. Seems like both of them are psychos.
he reminds me of elliot rogers
-What a completely unbiased take-
but it is
@@slips. It really isn't and if its not obvious as to why, there is no use in explaining it to you
@@MemeSama BWC evaluated both sides of the case, including community response. Just because he didn't agree with sinatraa's failure to provide evidence doesn't make him bias
@@slips. As I said, there really isn't any use explaining it to you. FYI BWC not agreeing with any one particular side is bias no matter how you look at it, whether it be sinatraa or cle0h
@@MemeSama you're clearly biased by proxy lol
Corporations and society are to blame. All corporations focus on are subs and all they see is money they can make off of them. If society wouldn't label these people as celebrities, they wouldn't have Kanye size egos and think they are untouchable.
Damn your content has been missed.
average gamer
Heya BWC!
Regardless of how shitty Sinatra is, that MVP skin is sick
hilarious
I really enjoy watching sinatraa, I wish he was completely innocent but he isnt getting out of this. He treated her like shit, although I can understand why he is upset in many of the messages, I can't imagine myself treating someone like that. He was a public figure, and redirected the stress and emotions onto her. In my mind, he used her for the validation he desperately needed, constantly being under so much scrutiny takes a toll. Cleo has every right to call sinatraa out like this, but I personally don't think this (as it's still w/ out conclusion) "scandal?" is worthy of him being blacklisted from competitive valorant. Maybe I am just upset that one of my favorite players isn't playing, and am convincing myself that he's a better person than he is. I hope he has learned from his past relationship, or else his career if not already will be done.
edit: if he's actually proven guilty I would hope he'd be out. I could've worded it a bit better, but w/ out a clear cut conclusion. It's hard to start treating someone as guilty when he very well could be innocent. it's undisputable that he's guilty of being a shitty ass boyfriend who manipulated his girl. But there's still reasonable doubt.
how dare you call this a "scandal". he raped his girlfriend. she tells him sex is painful because of her IUD, yet he continues to do it anyway. he pressured her into sex so many times. Please do not continue to support this monster. he has no respect for women or boundaries. you do realize if this could be proven he would go to prison? this is a serious matter. he deserves to have no career after this. there are many other players worth supporting.
she said she had video proof of him SA her but never dropped it
@@jatshowangchuk9340 was the audio not enough for u?
@@areldo I have no clue what that 7 second audio even was. All I know is that they were being cringe. Wtf where both of them doing that’s not how either of them talk normally.
@@areldo also it’s really weird if some claims to have rock solid evidence and doesn’t show it.
Thank you for sharing your truth!!!!!!
it makes me so uncomfortable that i share a name so similar to this man
So biased to her it’s hilarious
Yea ikr, its so laughable
how so?
If she has evidence then she should present it legally and a technical team can quickly verify the veracity of the evidence she could provide. It's a strange situation, because she's clearly not afraid to speak up... she already did, but she did it in a way that the veracity cannot be verified. The evidence should have been presented legally or at least now that she is clearly no longer afraid. I say that she clearly is not afraid because basically she ALREADY TALKED AND TOLD HER ENTIRE STORY about her, even publishing audios (out of context), so I don't understand why she doesn't present that evidence correctly in the appropriate place. Can anyone imagine that a game company can do a better investigation than the special teams that official justice has? Sinatraa must not prove her innocence...justice must prove him guilty. She should simply bring her evidence (which she already used to create content) to justice with an official accusation.
I personally think that the chats show a toxic relationship between two very young people... I would almost go so far as to say that this is a teen drama on which many current series on different streaming platforms are based.
So far the only concrete thing is a person who believes they have been the victim of an abusive relationship (I think it was a toxic relationship) and who supposedly has evidence to prove it but inexplicably has not done so yet... the method for expose evidence that does not prove anything on social networks, when in reality they should be presented in court.
Perhaps this evidence is not presented in court because its veracity cannot be verified? Perhaps neither of them wants to expose the bad treatment they had mutually?
I repeat, at the moment nothing published seems to be conclusive or real proof... chats out of context where even she would look bad if it wasn't for her explaining "the" context.
I don't care if he is the professional player of a game, and I don't think justice would care about he is a pro-player if the alleged victim provide the evidence that she claims to have in her possession.
Either way I feel sorry for both of them... I feel sorry for him because he shows that he was a guy who mishandled a toxic relationship. She makes me feel sorry for the supposed lack of character in that relationship (it could have been in any other relationship too) where apparently she didn't have what she wanted or she wasn't happy. In both cases, each one is responsible for how they handle that toxic relationship, and they should not blame the other party for not making the decisions they should have made according to their stories.
There is nothing published so far that is enough to accuse him of such serious charges as abuse and rape.
I think the world is crazy, and the fault lies with all the crazy people who play on social networks with issues that should be treated seriously in the corresponding areas.
We are all innocent until proven otherwise.
(not like they want to do now, where "everyone is guilty until proven innocent")
I rather we be innocent first rather than guilty first LMAO
Wow, strongly agreed
xQc mod moment
I keep wondering how are people watching sinatraa on twtich, why is he in all these valorant clip compilations? Then I realize reading some of these comments, they are kids, who have never had people in thier life that experience this. People who go through what cleoh went through often attempt suicide, are depressed, or have serious mental illness following the situation through thier entire life. What we know what is true is that he was a manipulator in the relationship and pressured her to have sex frequently. Thats enough for most people, he has even slightly admitted to it, yet people act like nothing happened? Just confusing to me.
This video is bs af. They watch him Because they know he is innocent. The case is closed. He was never proved guilty. She did not appear on the court hearing day and put the case on hold. Its been months now. Innocent until proved guilty. Got nothing more to say but if you are gonna reply pls do a decent reply or a normal conversation. I dont want that you are probably still a kid bs. I will turn 17 soon I am a kid.
They're all throughout this comment section too
@@reditis1256 The text are enough evidence that he was super insecure and whether it was intentional or not manipulative and pressured her to have sex when she said she didn’t want to no?