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I would love to see a coco / de la Cruz analysis! Not sure if you think he’s a good villain, but I would love to hear your opinion on my favorite movie ever!
"Idiots! Children destroy toys! You will be ruined! Forgotten! Spending eternity rotting in some landfill!" I wonder if this line from Stinky Pete was just a happy coincidence, or if the writers intentionally took this line and used it for the conflicts in this movie.
I mean the first 3 toy story movies are 100% a trilogy. 1 introduces the world and the relative status quo of the characters, 2 introduces the major themes and starts to develop the overall debate of the trilogy, and 3 finishes off those themes and ties everything up with a nice bow. The themes of Toy Story are about sentimentality, growing up, and the role of our own inner childishness as we move on.
@@isaiahwalking As a kid, I hated how Lotso didn't come through for Woody and the gang in the end, but as an adult, I realize how amazing the writing on that is. It makes Lotso even more despicable and easy to despise/try NOT to be and it's awesome! 😁
Lotso is what more villains should be. You can sympathize with his past, but they pull a perfect twist where he doesn't redeem himself. Usually, those type of villains are "misunderstood" or "has reasons to act the way they do", but that's not how the real world works.
To put it simply: Latso created a cult. Manipulating the hurt toys going through such emotional suffering and making sure they rely on him and if they don’t… punishment.
I wish people would stop only using the word cult in pejorative ways. It's the root of culture for crying out loud. A cult is basically a group of individuals going against the grain. Sometimes it ends in tragedy, sometimes the world changes for the better. Sometimes they just do their own thing on their own.
I like how Woody says maliciously "forget it guys, he's not worth it" really shows how he'll never forgive Lotso if they see him again, I also like in the credits montage we see Chuckles smile knowing that Lotso's reign is over and knowing that Big Baby is doing fine too
I just loved how he stayed a villain until the very end. I feel like too many shows or movies try to make the villain seem like a good guy by the end and that they changed. But the reality in real life is that some people really are just that…evil and they won’t redeem themselves ever. Lotso was just that. A villian until the very end. Would say he’s one of Disney’s best villains because you understand why he is this way but it still doesn’t excuse his actions .
The fact that the writers of this movie could take a concept of a daycare and turn it into a terrifying dictator run prison for toys is so goddamn genius, I will never stop gushing about it. And it’s made even more genius by Lotso himself. Honestly this is what a great villain is. You totally understand why they are the way they are, while at the same time not excusing the horrific actions they’re doing. And it’s made even better by the fact that he doesn’t get to redeem himself and ends up as powerless as the toys whose spirits he broke. He may not be the best Pixar villain (in my opinion that’s Syndrome), but Lotso is a very close second. He’s terrifying, a serious threat, strangely charismatic and at times funny, and a true representation of what Woody could have been if he had continued being the jealous and petty toy he was in the first movie.
yeah, this is so true. It's phenomenal when writers create their characters as if they were real people, not irrationally evil, not as an unreal newfound hero, but as a tainted realistic person struggling in a gray morality.
@@iceink5274 sadly being irrationally evil is a characteristic common to many humans, probably way more than the ones that have actual understandable reasons for acting how they act
What I find amazing is how well Lotso ties together themes from both the first and the second movie as a villain. It's so natural as if he was always intended to be the finale.
Totally agree with you, though I personally would rank Lotso as being better than Syndrome, but that's only bc Syndrome's plan failed without the Incredibles intervening, meanwhile Lotso only lost bc of Woody and the gang.
It's interesting how selfish Lotso is for wanting to live at a daycare. He wants an endless supply of kids to play with him, showing that he sees both humans and other toys as a means to an end, just to serve him.
A line that should NOT have happened. I wanted Woody to leave that bear to burn. And I could see the betrayal coming a mile away. Seriously, who would risk his life to save someone who betrayed him TWICE before?!
@@NostalgicGamerRickOShayIt's as they say. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Being played for a sap like the others and only realizing later that his friends were in danger was once. Saving him with the hopes that Lotso would follow-through was twice. Woody wasn't kind enough to be fooled three times.
What's so chilling about that line is the fact that it's basically us saying to each other: "Where's your god now?" Not meaning to take this to too religious route, that's not the point of the film. But in the end, Woody and the company were saved by a miracle. It is a wonderful way to show that good deeds makes the world around you a better place, even when you can't save or change everyone's world view.
Lotso's design is *perfect*. His bigger build and thick eyebrows help him to come off as menacing when his true colors are revealed but he still completely looks the part of "sweet, lovable teddy bear."
I also respect how the Toy Story movies make the creepy looking toys misunderstood instead of pure evil villains. In fact, they were only used as pure minions and are often used by more appealing looking characters. Its kind of genius because its easy to make creepy looking characters out to be scapegoats that often happens in real life. They could've easily made Baby to be a pure villain, only to reveal he's just another victim of Lotso's thats being used as a pawn to get his way.
He's actually a lot like Waternoose in that way. Friendly, kind, understanding authority figure, but with just a shift of stature and attitude, menacing, strong, and creepy.
Lotso reminds me of the original woody character, someone meant to be a sly, sneaky and cruel leader to people not in the hierarchy, even threatening slinky with andy not loving him if he didn't behave. They were even planning on making the original toy story 1 set in a daycare instead of andy's room back when woody was meant to be one of those string puppets instead of his cowboy design.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 As Woody points out, his backstory doesn't justify anything he did. No matter how much Daisy "abandoning" him hurt him, his actions surpassed the excuse because - The reason why Daisy replaced Lotso was because he was her favorite toy and she lost him purely on accident, not because she didn't love him. - Lotso forced Big Baby and Chuckles to run away from home and join him in his suffering even though they weren't even replaced, only him. - The toys that Lotso took out his anger on had nothing to do with him getting replaced at all. - To summarize it, Lotso abandoned Daisy, not the other way around, due to not being able to accept someone else having her if he couldn't, making his motive a selfish one, and by extension, it turns his horrendous treatment of the other toys into his way of angrily lashing out at everyone else with the mindset that if he can't be happy, no one can. Also, when he left Woody and the gang to die, all the sympathy was immediately thrown out of the window.
I heard that originally, Lotso was going to actually save Andy's toys and redeem himself, however, somebody who was watching an early iteration of the film told the producers that Lotso saving the toys wouldn't make sense considering how he was a dictator, so they changed the ending to now, where Lotso doubles down, and refuses to save the other toys.
That was a very smart decision. It would be kind of insulting honestly if at the end of the movie Lotso would be like "Oh, gee, I guess I didn't have to be a harsh dictator after all."
I heard it was more that he was gonna get the same comeuppance but audiences thought he was too sympathetic and would WANT him to do that, hence them adding that crueller twist.
That’s right. Test audiences who had sympathized with Lotso due to his backstory wanted him to push the button in the incinerator scene to redeem himself, but according to the DVD commentary, director Lee Unkrich explained that Lotso chose not to save the other toys so that audiences who had gotten to know them for three films in fifteen years could care about the heroes even more, when it looked like the end for them shortly before The Pizza Planet Aliens rescued them with the claw. Thus, Lotso's redemption was dropped. Another reason is because they did not want Lotso to get off so easy.
Thats the best decision imo. All the sh*t he did just to throw it away in a 5 seconds scene would have destroyed the entire point of his character. The suspense of that scene is also fantastic and makes you think he will actually save them, and the final decision makes the the toys and even the spectator feel completly betrayed, and thats what i love about that scene. That also makes his ending more satisfactory, where he is condemened to spend rest of his life attached to a truck.
Can we talk about how his "walking stick" looks like a judges gavel? He appears as though he needs this crutch to properly walk and fucntion - he relies on this supportive tool just as he relies on the cooperation of the toys within the kindergarten. But he doesnt actually need it. He can walk and run just fine without it. He fakes his disability and instead uses it as a farce for command and control. He is not a frail bear - he is the judge, jury, and executioner.
Reminds me of Stephen's cane in Django Unchained. At the end, Stephen drops the cane and shows he never needed it - it was just a prop to make his false persona more believable. Same with Lotso.
I like how Lotso’s defeat is not only everyone realizing how wrong he is, but also him pushing his power by pushing Big Baby which not only gets a reaction out of everyone, but makes you realize just how all it took for him to lose power is to try and stretch it to where no one would listen
I’ve realized that Lotso is big enough that he can (literally) push around and throw other toys and perhaps scare the others into compliance that way. But Big Baby is too large for that.
@@JustACactus616 MCU Civil War dropped the ball so fuckin' bad on it all auuuuugh, it did NOT do the comic version's arc justice and tried to cram too much into a single movie instead of letting the damn thing breathe. And that probably started with making Tony make Ultron instead of Hank. Like where the FUCK is the Tony that told Senate to go get bent and argued that his suit was his own property and got fueled by his guilt and remorse into going against the establishment to clean up his mess in Yinsen's honor? If they wanted to take him in THAT direction they should have adapted a merge of Superior Iron Man and Living Armor: not Ultron, but Tony enhancing himself into a villain, make the scepter cause Living Armor and Superior Tony in the AoU-replacement and Cap and co watch uneasily as Tony uses Stark Industries to start a huge monopoly take-over, and finish it in the CW rewrite with Cap having to take him down after he goes full villain and sides with Ross and make it clear the Sokovia Accords are as tyrannical as the SHRA. Hard cut to Tony having survived, but with a modified arc reactor as a literal mechanical heart. Either memory wipe him to Iron Man 1 where old pre-moral-erosion Tony who's fresh from Yinsen's sacrifice is stuck dealing with his villainous self's end-justify-means, or haunted by becoming no better than Stane and let him pass on the mantle to Warmachine and Rhodey's new protege Riri with her Ironheart armor. (yes I'm still mad that they did Civil War so dirty, the comics made Tony's fall from grace SO GOOD in how he justified everything and the more things got out of his control the worse he got trying to control every variable, and Cap had so much more nuance and worries that an action movie absolutely failed to capture... GAH.)
@neoqwerty The point is how the journey of the movie have flipped Tony and Steve's worldviews. For Tony he started fiercely independent, telling the Senate to lick his balls when they demanded he work for them. But Tony has been through some things. He can't fight alien invasions on his own. He can't fight God Tier enemies on his own. No matter how many suits he builds, he's going to lose. A fear exacerbated by Wanda. And after several very public failures he decides maybe he shouldn't be making unilateral decisions anymore. His independence and confidence has been broken over time to the point where he'd capitulate to the Accords if it means keeping everyone a little more safe and keeping the team together. This is the opposite of Captain America who once believed in Truth, Justice, and the American way... wait was that Superman's thing? For Cap he thought he was on a team that fought bullies and he was willing to submit to a government that had the best intentions. Except they don't, he was naive. They were gonna nuke Manhattan off the map. Hydra had infected their ranks and no one knew. Their grand plan was to put a bunch of doomships in the sky and snipe anyone who posted too many hot takes on Twitter. Steve, the biggest team player, had become the independent thinker by that point. It was a cool role reversal even if I think Civil War was a messy movie overall
He embodies the very real phenomenon of people that have suffered becoming corrupted by their trauma and trying to make others go through the same pain, rather than trying to prevent others from going through it.
Lotso just makes me depressed. The idea of someone convinced so thoroughly that all toys are inherently worthless, even himself, ESPECIALLY himself, is just.. Really fucking sad. Great villain. Great motivation. Great voice acting by the late Ned Beatty. Just all around great. My absolute favorite Pixar villain for just how raw he is.
@carnage0685 My favorite Pixar villain is Sid from the first Toy Story because we all know kids in our neighborhood or at school like to set things on fire and have a creative but scary imagination. Plus, in WickedBinge’s Sentencing Pixar Villains For Their Crimes, Sid got off easier than Lotso, only being sentenced to 10 years probation and regularly seeking a psychiatrist, whereas Lotso got sentenced to life in prison.
Lotso acts as a darker reflection of the following characters: Woody: Both were in charge of the toys at their location (Woody, Andy's House, and later Bonnie's House; Lotso, Daisy's House, and later Sunnyside), and both ended up abandoned by their former owner. However, Woody never gave up on Andy, while Lotso gave up on Daisy. Coincidentally, Lotso's behavior was very similar to Woody's original rendition in Toy Story, specifically his characterization in the Black Friday reel. Also by coincidence, both characters also ended up toned up/toned down for the final version due to unexpected events during a test screening (Woody was originally an immense jerk and lacked compassion, but was toned down after the Black Friday reel nearly shut down production of Toy Story; likewise, Lotso had his cruelty amplified after test audiences sympathized with him and wanted him to push the button to show that he deserved his punishment). Lotso is an example of what Woody would have become if he let his fear of being replaced get to him. Lotso also served as a lesson for Woody in the film, because if Woody didn't move on with his life and decided to remain with Andy instead of his friends, then he would've ended up being like Lotso. Jessie: Lotso's backstory is similar to Jessie's backstory. Jessie was abandoned by her first owner Emily, while Lotso was replaced by Daisy's new bear. Both toys were heartbroken and spent years without an owner. However, unlike Lotso, Jessie didn't resort to a life of crime. Lotso is a perfect example of what Jessie could have become if she let her heartbreak get the best of her.
Stinky Pete: Both seemed to be loving at first but were eventually revealed to be cruel tyrants in the end. This is mainly because of a sense of feeling rejected or unloved, which was clearly seen in both Pixar villains. Coincidentally, the music that played during Lotso's defeat was the same music heard during Stinky Pete's defeat. However, while Stinky Pete has a tragic backstory and a few redeeming qualities (he was a very kind friend to Jessie and Bullseye during their time in storage at Al's apartment), Lotso is far more despicable as he simply wants other toys to get hurt and tries to get Woody and his friends killed in the incinerator even though they freed him from the golf bag. Lotso is an example of the kind of toy that Pete could've become if he allowed his past to consume him with the belief that all toys have no purpose but to be thrown away. Gabby Gabby: Both were toys who no longer had owners at the beginning of their respective movies, and had henchmen who worked for them. They also took management of different locations (Sunnyside for Lotso, the Second Chance Antiquities Store for Gabby). However, unlike Gabby (who was affable and was particularly kind to her henchmen and even her captives, moved on in life after being rejected by Harmony, and can be sympathized with), Lotso feigned kindness and treated his henchmen with disrespect, never accepted the fact that he was replaced by Daisy with another Lotso, and annihilated any sympathy with everything he's done. Lotso is an example of the kind of toy Gabby could've become if she didn't move on with life nor accepted that Harmony rejected her, and instead allowed it to consume her with anger and violence.
Uh, Lotso can’t remain with Daisy because she already replaced him with another Lotso duplicate. Villains Wiki should rephrase that as Woody choosing to let his envy consume him and not move on with life, he would’ve ended up like Lotso
@@pbsfundingaddict790 Expect it's shown that Daisy *still* loved Lotso. Woody was replaced by Buzz, but the duplicate is another Lotso, showing how much she still loved him. Meaning *SHE* didn't willingly lose her love for him just because something new and exciting came along. It took Andy losing Woody and Buzz to realize how much he still loved Woody. Daisy never stopped. Lotso choose to believe he and Woody were the same, but the reality is: Woody acknowledged that Buzz was worthy of Andy's love just by the simple fact he was a toy too. This happens all the time with toys because of the human nature of loving the new and exciting but forgetting to value the old or just because you outgrew it (this happened with Jessie (forget) and Barbie (outgrew)). The toys don't hold it against the children even if it hurts them because they know what their purpose is: be there when the children need them. Daisy never wanted to forget Lotso and still valued him, thus still needed him: that's why her parents gave her an extant replica. And also don't forget that *they* left him behind, not Daisy. She fell asleep right next him, and the parents didn't think to pick Lotso, Baby and Chuckles up.
@@pbsfundingaddict790 I don't know. A lot of children are delighted to have two of the same toy. Point I'm making: Lotso truly gave up on Daisy, but he wants to blame her instead of himself.
I miss when sympathetic villains were still punished like villains. Everyone has crappy stuff to deal with in life, but it’s not an excuse to be a bad person. When I first saw Toy Story 3, I thought Lotso was meh because it’s another toy who doesn’t trust humans and tries to force our cast to stay with him. But then I saw Toy Story 3 for the first time in years, after a friend had done everything they could to paint me as evil for not tolerating their abuse, and always, ALWAYS used their past as an excuse for their toxic views and actions towards me. And it’s like you know what? This villain is pretty scary. And he got what was coming
I really believe that the concept of the misunderstood villain started as something pure about how even the meanest person can turn back to the good way if you put effort in it to become a fantasy stereotype for crap people of "welp I indeed undestand that my actions ruined the life of the others and that my existence till now it's just for the wrong but you need to understand me I suffered so please don't give me any consecuence at all", its kind of sad how writers can make a history about someone redention and in the same time giving him consecuences but they decide to throw that away in search of appealing the culture of unconsecuence.... Also i'm srry I didn't explain myself good enough i don't know how to write english Lmao
@@marcoantonioveganatividad I agree with you there. In a skilled writer’s hand, a sympathetic villain has depth but the self awareness on the creator’s part is there to realize they’re still wrong no matter how much they may feel for their situation. But a lot of the time now, it’s become an excuse to be light on horrible things because the writer themselves doesn’t have strong principles
14:50 Wait. This is the same setup as Darth Vader throwing Palpatine. A broken subordinate to an authoritarian villain finally decides to take hold of their own fate in life and throws their ruler to their doom.
I compare Lotsos abandonment more to Woody and Buzz from the first movie, honestly. They were lost toys. The biggest deal was Lotso when he finally got home found out he was replaced. By comparison, Jessie wasn’t lost, she was forgotten. It still ties into the rest of the trilogy just on a different connection. Jessie by comparison fell under the bed, and like you said, Lotso goes back to his issue with Stinky Pete, that it’s not going to last. So Lotso connects to BOTH movies if you connect his backstory to Woody and Buzz’s then Jessie’s.
There's a movie called Merlin's Shop of Mysticall Wonders that uses that monkey as a villain. Always thought that's what inspired it's use in TS3 Children, believe in magic, or I'll kill you!-Merlin MST3K
"Barbie! Not the Naroom Jacket!" "This is from what? 1967~??" "THE GROOVY FORMAL COLLECTION, YES!" "What a shame." That scene always makes me laugh. Its the perfect comeuppance. XD
honestly i think Lotso has the same kind of “tricks people into thinking he’s the good guy” vibes as Tigerclaw from Warriors. not only did he trick everyone and cause terrible trust issues with his revealed betrayal, he seemed to not think of himself as a villainous traitor, or worse, didn’t care that he was evil and heartless.
I love how many star wars references and paralels are in these movies like "I am your father" bit from TS2, and how Baby is really just Darth Vader and lotso is the Emporor in the dumpster scene of this movie.
Not to mention how the TS trilogy follows a very similar pattern to the star wars OT. The first movie is relatively self contained, small scope, just feels like it's trying to show you a bit of this wonderful world. The second movie starts setting up these interesting themes that will end up defining the series, the central debate of the trilogy, and the third movie follows through on those themes and brings them to a satisfying conclusion
Come to think of it, the Toy Story Trilogy makes minor references to the original Star Wars Trilogy. Toy Story: Buzz references A New Hope by explaining his mission. Toy Story 2: Zurg references The Empire Strikes Back by telling alternate Buzz that he is his father. Toy Story 3: Baby references Return of the Jedi by throwing Lotso into the dumpster. Imitation is a form of flattery.
Even better: before Ned Beatty was cast, Mark Hamill was considered for the role of Lotso, so we could've ended up hearing Dark Luke screaming as he's thrown in the dumpster.
I once lost a stuffed animal dog my grandparents had given me for Christmas. My parents bought me another, and it just wasn't the same. It's not just about the toy (at least for me) it's about the emotional attachment and backstory. Kinda like Bonnie when she lost Forky in toy story 4, when she told her parents "there's only one forky" after they had suggested she just made another one. I guess Daisy didn't have that emotional attachment to that lotso.
The film's director, Lee Unkrich says that he got the inspiration for Lotso's backstory when his niece left her favorite toy - a doll named "Peggy" - at a Burger King restaurant, and had replaced her with a new doll named Peggy. He wondered what the old Peggy would think if she came back and discovered there was a new Peggy.
When I was young, I had a stuffed kitten named Kara. One day, I lost her on a trip. My parents replaced her with an admittedly cute stuffed kitten I also named Kara, but I knew she wasn't the same. She didn't look much like the old Kara either. Daisy likely never realized the new Lotso was different because she was so young and because they looked identical. I was a kid who looked for small differences in fur patterns and such that I think I could maybe have told a difference between them, but I'm not sure how old I would have had to be to do that.
Waternoose is my favorite Pixar villain, but Lotso is easily the most well-written. He’s very complex, manipulative, hatable, and honestly the best Pixar villain from a thematic standpoint. Also, while his backstory absolutely doesn’t justify his actions, it’s still very sad (due to the music in the background). But that’s all I have to say, as you said everything else I could say about this villain.
I love both of them and they definitely remind me of each other. Both of their designs fit them as villains, but they’re also very believable as charming and kind before the twist.
@@NearsightedNarhwal Especially after seeing how Waternoose looked when he was younger (end credits of monster university). Bro had a full afro, like come on, he looked like a really cool guy.
Sid from the first Toy Story is my favorite Pixar villain because tomboys and gothic people relate to him and in WickedBinge’s Sentencing Pixar Villains For Their Crimes, he only got sentenced to 10 years probation with the requirement that he regularly seeks a psychiatrist. Out of all the Toy Story villains, Sid and Gabby Gabby got off easy in that sentencing series.
I absolutely love and adore when animated movies include a tyrant or a dictator as a villain. This is why I love villains like Jafar from Aladdin, Scar from The Lion King, Kingpin from Into the Spiderverse, and especially Lord Shen from Kung Fu Panda 2.
I really love Lotso’s design. It kind of reminds me of the villain from Monsters Inc. Both designs have the ability to be charming and likable, but they still fit their role as a villain. Even when you rewatch both films KNOWING that these characters aren’t actually good, they still feel good in the scenes before the twist is revealed.
Another Pixar villain I would nominate as equally terrifying is Charles Muntz from Up, he's also one of the best twist villains, and just like Syndrome, Charles killed people. Remember from Up, we learn about Charles Muntz from a newsreel, where he was hailed as a gallant explorer, and after an expedition to Paradise Falls, Charles brings back the skeleton of a massive bird, only to be denounced as a fraud, and stripped of his explorer credentials, yet undeterred, he embarks on a new expedition back to Paradise Falls, in the vain hopes of bringing back a specimen to clear his reputation. We learn about Charles from our main character - Carl Fredricksen, who views him as a hero, and with his companion Ellie, aspire to travel to Paradise Falls with their home, this is clever plot framing, based on the information we were given, Up convinced us Muntz was good, until his motivations is revealed. Carl and Russell encounter Muntz after attaching balloons to the house, in a cocamainy scheme to travel to Paradise Falls, after inadvertently mentioning they found the large bird, Carl's twisted machinations are sprung, he still has the helmets of the explorers he murdered - a cartographer making a map, and a botanist discovering the indigenous plants, these are just the ones we know, Muntz could have a higher body count. Just like Lotso, Muntz was too vain to accept his "L" and move on, they were determined to prove how right they were, no matter who was in their path, both Lotso and Muntz viewed themselves as the sole figure with the most value, and treated their fellows as disposable, because they were not allowed to outshine the antagonists, this is what makes these villains so terrifying, they see themselves as the hero in their own stories, and will not acknowledge the leaps of ruins left in their wake.
I think another part that contributed to Muntz’s worldview was the isolation. He was out in the middle of the jungle, alone for decades; sure there was the dogs, but that’s not the same as human interaction.
@@PanagiotisPolitis-bl9xj tbf fascist has its literal definition, and then the more general "bad dictator who I don't like" definition usually thrown around by either uninformed people, people trying to get a point across quickly, or actual fascists who want to call their opponents fascists to obfuscate their own goals
He is still a cuddly bear ''by design'' though, that's why when Lotso got replaced in the movie I'm sure the second Lotso was a very nice kind and lovable individual.
Every individual toy has its own unique personality, right? Ngl I’d personally feel bad for that Lotso for being associated with the bad one, even if it’s just based on surface level similarities.
@@concept5631I think that's open to interpretation. The new Lotso could somehow have found out that he was meant as a replacement for the original his kid lost, but it's also entirely possible that he never found out about this because she was too happy to care
@@rockmangurlx4973 To be fair the Buzz Lightyear that had a cool belt and a dad, FELT totally different personality wise compared to Andy's Buzz Lightyear.
At some point people will realize that this is how things work. Bad people created by bad circumstance, it happens all the time and will continue for all of time. But people will still look at the person which is a result, blaming them and never address the root cause, the bad that turned them that way. Staying blind for ignorance sake.
@@abuDA-bt6ei Lotso’s reaction was pretty unreasonable, though. He lied to Big Baby and claimed that all of them were replaced, instead of just him. There were some underlying ego problems even before he fully turned evil.
@@abuDA-bt6eiAnd the crime rates will rise, the suicide rates will rise... Yet no one will try and understand the root cause. We judge people way too quickly, while it does not excuse his actions, people should be more understanding. Too many people judge criminals as evil and suiciders as pussies, while most of them have reasons for their actions, reasons, not excuses of course.
@@capncake8837I don't think you can expect people's reaction to be perfect when hurt in that way. So basically you expected Lotso to go on his own and let his friends get a happy reunion? I also disagree with underlying problems, the clown said something snapped in him that day
I don’t know about politicians, but there does seem to be a phenomenon of people who have suffered becoming corrupted by their trauma and trying to make others suffer like they did. I guess an example would be bullies who get abused at home, then hurt other kids.
Lotso is definitely one of the scarier villains out there. The perfect balance of exterior kindness and perfect voice acting that pulls us in and may even act as a layer of comfort for us in the first half of the film, but in the inside he’s a soul who’s worldview was completely torn apart by the feeling of abandonment. The way he speaks and acts is bone chilling. His soft voice mixed with his evil intent is terrifying. Fantastic villain.
I think what makes Lotso a truly despicable creature is that he _doesn't_ really believe in this worldview he so adamantly pushes onto others. Look at how he immediately handles being thrown away by Big Baby, begging not to be shut in mere seconds after going on a tirade about how that is exactly what they all have to look forward to. He's not in denial of the error of his ways, he understand fully well how fragile and unsustainable this worldview is. He has no convictions, just a desire to use others to "build a pyramid" with himself on top.
Yeah that's the big catch with Lotso, and why I don't buy how many think he's this complex nihilist. He is basically just a pretentious form of a butthurt bully who doesn't have a toy and so breaks all the other kids' toys and calls them 'stupid' out of spite (the scene of him smashing Big Baby's locket and calling him a baby is pretty on the nose about it). He thinks he 'sees the way' but ultimately it's all about his ego and how he doesn't find any logic to anyone being happy when he isn't. That climax is where you see the excuse is solely that, an excuse.
This is how all bad guys act. During the gangster warfare days in early North America, many of the mobsters, despite their slick suits and prideful behavior, were VERY afraid of spending the rest of their lives in prison. They also feared real consequences of their crimes, despite acting like gods over everybody else. It's the power that crooks want, and many will play a hypocrite just to keep it. This is why I personally love seeing enemies lose their cool during the climax of a film. Like Lotso, we got to see how rotten a bear he really was...and thank goodness, he got his just reward.
What I love about this character is the fact that the screenwriters have the guts to literally put a character that’s literally Austrian Painter, a prison warden, and a teddy bear all in one into a kid’s movie. And what makes it even better is that the movie is still rated g! We need more villains like this
Such an amazing video! I’m in a situation similar to this with my dad. I’m a vulnerable adult. I’m being left to rot in a sober house. I was always thought from a very young age that I have no worth. I’m treated as such by family. I’m finally able to see I have worth. I was in jail, went to a rehab, PHP, and IOP. I realize I have worth no matter what my family says to me. I’m 60 days sober and am trying to get a job. I needed this video Rock thank you. I appreciate the dedication to your content. Unfortunately nothing will change my father’s world view. Even now I’m not treated with any respect or dignity. I hope my dad finally learns his actions have consequences.
My cousin HATES Lotso. 😆 every time we play the Toy Story 3 game in the Woody’s Roundup section, he’s gotta go attack him with something even if he’s just an NPC. 😆 (He’s like 8 by the way)
I think the one thing that makes me cringe in disgust about Lotso as a villain and as a character is the fact that he abuses and manipulates Baby (a toy that literally reflects an ACTUAL BABY) in order to inflict pain upon the protagonists. It gives me the same feelings of those villains that kidnap newborns with the intent of raising them to be as evil as them, hold a newborn hostage for the sake of getting what they want from others, or even get violent with babies as a means to take out their aggression. Lotso does all three, and it "rattles" me to my very core at the thought of a cutesy bear being so heartless as to drag a BABY with him down his twisted path of cruelty and gaslighting. Now THAT'S true evil.
Basically, this is an old tactic used by dictators. They're called child soldiers, from Nazi Germany's Hitler Youth to the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia or any African and Middle Eastern warlords or just about any despicable tyrant or warlord or piece of shit with a gun that has morals looser than someone's bowels after taking laxatives. This tactic of using child soldiers is to basically give them an early introduction into the suicide cult...errr... political cause they're press ganged into so that they can grow into fanatical murder hobos for the group. No better time to indoctrinate people than when they're young and can't take of or think for themselves and have to swallow any regurgitated talking point to get the approval of the person giving them shelter and food.
Luke 17:2 says “It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.”
@@chickenbucket7842 “It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.”
Good insight on him. I was livid when he left them at the junkyard, but it solidifies Lotso as an entity. This story is the whole picture of a perfect disaster. Oh my goodness, it’s sure to have left an impression of sympathy but also the need for care for others. The toys are vulnerable to many things even humans seldom see, so heed the caution of not believing Lotso at his words.
Lotso is a pretty imposing villain, specifically the tyrannically nihilistic dictator type, who believes everyone should have the same view as he does and ensure they do by any means necessary. I agree that the Dumpster scene was dark and oddly satisfying, because Lotso's underlings finally see their former boss's true colors when he said this: "This is what happens when you *Dummies* try to *think!* We're all just *Trash,* waiting to be *thrown away!* That's all a Toy is!" It means he doesn't want any Toys in Sunnyside to believe there's more value in each and every individual Toy, than what Lotso wants them to believe.
While I think Toy Story 3 got over hyped when it came out, I agree that it's a masterpiece of storytelling and animation. The thought and care that went into developing Lotso and the logical ramifications of his worldview is something that we sorely miss in Hollywood and even Pixar today
I love the voice of Ned Beatty. He pulls off both the gentle old grandfather who loves to tell his grandkids stories and the hardass prison warden who is not above cruel and unusual punishment perfectly.
One thing I admire about Lotso is that he for once is not some last minute twist villain pulled out of the plot's ass. We see this bs with Frozen's Hans and Zootopia's Bellwether. Stinky Pete and Waternoose worked because twist villains were kind of new at that time. Another twist villain that is not last minute that I like is Professor Marmalade from The Bad Guys because between him and Lotso, we actually get screentime with them doing evil stuff.
The moment when Losto smashes the heart locket with daisy’s name on it, his minions have the body language of “What the fuck have we done” and “did we really do this”.
The next year Ned Beatty would go on to voice another great twist villain in the Nickelodeon movie Rango. Rest in peace Ned. You brought so much heart to Lotso’s menace.
16:00 Fun Fact: Lotso's punishment was originally meant for Woody. For context, when Toy Story 1 was still in development, the writers, animators, some of the actors (including Tom Hanks and Tim Allen), and storyboard artists created a brief demo called the Black Friday Reel. It was mostly the same as the final product but they were still developing it and decided to show the execs at Disney their progress. However, one detail was different, in the original version on the Black Friday Reel, Woody knocked Buzz out the window on purpose, in conjunction with him being more sarcastic and commanding towards the toys. So basically, a slightly toned down version of Lotso.
Lotso also works as a parallel to Woody from the first movie. Being angry that Lotso forced Baby and The Clown to leave because HE was replaced. Showing how Woody despises his own outlook from the first movie and connects to his feeling of being replaced by Buzz. I never noticed that hut its so cool that Lotso links to the main characters of both the first 2 movies. Showing what Woody or Jessie could have been without the love they finally got from Andy
These days I decided to rewatch this film, which is one of my favorites, and I realized something that I never questioned all these years. When Lotso meets Daisy again and realizes that he has been replaced, he says something like, "She replaced all of us!" and Chuckles responds, "No, you were the only one!" I always thought that Lotso was correct and that Chuckles countered 'he was the only one' in the sense that Lotso was the only one she loved. But the realization came to me that Chuckles and Big Baby could have returned, and Lotso took that right away from them. It's tragic all around.
I still can't get past the fact that the creators of the film think trash collection is a bad job. It pays a lot of money. In fact, when looking for a new driving job, I considered trash collection, motorcoach driving and public transport bus driving. All three pay a lot of money and are very important jobs. Society would collapse without them.
I feel like Lotso’s a villain whom we could connect to people in our own lives. We’ve all had that one person whom we thought we could trust, like a friend, or teacher, or relative, or whatever they were, but it turned out that person had bad intentions and actually wanted to hurt us. Most of those people like that that we had in our lives have also been through trauma and decided to put their issues onto us, but we need to move on from what they did to us and reflect on how we can do better than them to heal from our traumas. People like Lotso aren’t worth your time and it’s important to remember that they might try to manipulate you and make you believe what they want you too, but there is a way out of it and there is a way you can rediscover what you truly believed in before that person came into your life. And remember to stand your ground with those people!
I am personally convinced that the scene where Big Baby casts Lotso into the dumpster was inspired by Darth Vader throwing Emperor Palpatine down the elevator shaft in "Return of the Jedi". The parallels are just too similar.
Lotso was the first villain for me i... really was afraid of. Not only afraid but... i couldnt NOT feel that he's, in a sense, right... That terrified me the most.
There's a theory that toy story 3 is about life and death that the trash burning scene is hell in that regard lotso ending could represent limbo never facing hell (trash) but never experiencing heaven (playing with kid) just existing (being tried to the truck)
my childhood toy was a mouse that's a fairly similar shade to lotso, a pure white for the details and slightly darker magenta, but similar colors. That's always made me feel a connection to lotso in a way. Like I can see how much that little girl loves that bear. Enough that the parents immediately replaced it when lost. I almost lost my mouse a few times as a kid but always managed to find it. It takes a prominent place on one of my shelves today.
I’d love to see an analysis on Waternoose from Monster Inc! My personal favorite pixar villain also following the realism of what “type” of bad person that Lotso has.
Yeah... These movies made me not want to EVER give up my toys. It might sound selfish to some, but these toys mean a lot to me, just as how Woody, Buzz, and their friends mean a lot to their original owner, Andy. The emotional impact the first 3 Toy Story films have on me is VERY strong!
Lotso to me is the perfect example of how embracing nihilism can lead one down a cold path of treating others like garbage. Not everyone who embraces hopelessness is lost or an asshole, but Lotso sits at the extreme end of what happens when this is allowed to fester to the point where his entire worldview starts to become warped. The sympathy you feel for him is real, but he is too far gone by the end point of the film clearly. It was interesting how Pixar decided to make him irredeemable when misunderstood villains like him usually get redeemed.
Too many twist villains drastically change their personalities, so the audience has a harder time buying that this is the same character. A great thing about Lotso is that his personality remains the same pre- and post-transformation. He still is charismatic and bubbly, but now we understand why he behaves that way-not out of kindness but, as you mentioned, a spiteful need for control.
Lotso is the most chillingly realistic villain ever because he knows his limits, and manipulates everyone to feel powerful. He knows what he's doing is selfish and runs a borderline cult. That's why I was blown away by toy stories 3.
When I was a kid (around 5 or 6, if I remember well), my dad came back from work, with a teddy bear he claimed to have found "lost on the side of the road". My mother washed it with soap and chemicals, put it into the machine, and they gave it to me. Dad said : "treat that big fellow well, he have went through hard times, and he needs a new family now to love him". I still have the bear today, on my shelves. When I first saw how Lotso was abandoned, I felt deeply moved. So much memories !
What makes Lotso such a genuinely well-remembered villain as well is that despite his sympathetic and tragic backstory and corrupted worldview, unlike many villains today who share a similar mold, Lotso was simply too far gone to have any sort of redeeming quality left to him, so absorbed in his worldview to the point that he embodied it to the last. There was no redemption, there was no second chance, some people are so irreversibly affected by their trauma, and by extension the trauma they inflict on others that there's no hope for them.
I like the warped irony of Lotso seeing that Daisy only replaced him but not the clown and baby to mean she cared the least for him, when really this meant the opposite in that she cared the most for him and was her favorite. The only one worth replacing.
This video is a supreme example of a perfectly put together video! You explained yourself well, with continuous thoughts that made sense without rambling. You set the mood at certain points with the music choice and to top it off, you added timestamps in the video! This is how to make a proper review of a character. Thank you! I love this video! Keep up the good work!
Toy Story 3 was a true horror movie for me as a kid, and most of it was because of the whole prison break the movie went for because of Lotso but was mostly just because of that darn monkey lol
Toy story 3 was so damn good, i swear to myself never to watch it again because of how perfect of a villain lotso is, and those tearjerker scenes made me cry a lot. But i did rewatched it some time later
i alway love how toy story turn a simple place like some family house into a scary place, nah toy storie 3 turn a kindergarten into a hecking prison and it so dark and griddy and i love it
I can sympathize with Lotso's backstory greatly. When i was a kid, I had a stuffed dog who was my absolute favorite. Unfortunately, he was taken from me by another kid at the park. I was crushed for a long time. I one day got a "replacement" of that same stuffed dog, but he wasn't the same. He wasn't the one I had played with and formed those memories with. A replacement could never take the place of my beloved Comet.
What I got from this video, was that the main point of these movies (even the fourth one) is that we shouldn't look at what we can get out of people or even possessions, but we should be concerned about what we can give in to them (especially people).
That's a bit too simplistic: all relationships are give and take; that's unavoidable but not necessarily even a bad thing. The issue arises when it swings too much in one direction. Having a bad day and talking it through with someone? That's fine but when that's all it is with them, don't blame them for getting sick of it and saying their farewells. Try chatting up a cute girl you saw across a bar? Go over, bounce off of her. She's playing along? Cool. Try your luck; you might get a phone number or even lucky. Don't expect her to hand out that number or put out; she doesn't owe you anything. (Furthermore, if you get lucky, don't demand her to play to your whims; communicate & reciprocate. This latter point is just some of the best advice for life you could ever get, frankly.) On the other hand, being the only reason - the only fuckin' one making an effort - that there's still even a relationship in the face of blatant indifference/complacency? Just some loose purse strings? Just some company to kill time? Fuck 'em! Even as someone who struggles to see value (as per depression & being generally content in face of "apparent meaninglessness,") such a soul is not worth the drain upon yourself. Suffering is simply that: suffering. It hurts; it only hurts; it will always hurt. It doesn't teach you anything; people misattribute it as a lesson when really, they just haven't realised that they were already over half-way there to being a decent person.
One thing I really respect the movie doing is that they gave Lotso a sympathetic backstory, but they don't give him a redemption arc, instead he doubles down on his cruel and evil behavior even when the other toys saved his life They could've easily have that be the moment where he has a change of heart, but sometimes even when you show kindness to someone, some people just don't want to change their ways, and sometimes those people take advantage of other peoples kindness for their own selfish gain In a time when were getting a lot more redemption arcs for villains, I really respect that Toy Story 3 had the guts to give the message that some people don't deserve a second chance, even if you sympathise with their past
When I was younger I hated Lotso the most out of any other Disney/Pixar movie villain ever. He really got on my nerves which is surprising because usually I like the bad guys even a little bit and I can somehow also root for them. I think that just shows how well made villain Lotso is, since you can't like him even if you tried. However, the most aggrivating thing about him was always the fact that he didn't get to know what happened to Woodie and the others. He probably thought they died and he won. Which I always found so annoying as a child. I imagined that even if Lotso lived the rest if his life in despair, stuck on the mask of the car, he still found joy in thinking that he ultimately won. Even though that was not the case. Ever since I was young that has always bothered me. Maybe I'm just petty. Sorry for my bad English btw
To be fair, it doesn't really matter what he thought. In the end, Woody and Co just said he wasn't worth it and moved on. He's in no good position to gloat about his supposed victory, being stuck to the frill of a trash truck and all. Perhaps he could have seen them as the truck drove past in order to show this, if the filmmakers wanted to. But overall, it's a satisfying end to a pretty vile villain.
as a barbie doll fan there was one part that really bothered me about ken was why was he the only doll in that dream house? couldn't the day care workers not given more barbie dolls? did he replace them secretly if the other dolls got out of line? did he take barbie because he knew it would merit him having more little girls play with him if he had a barbie partner? i hope you dive into that...
The ironic twist is this when I see lotso I can sometimes also see a dark twisted version of Jesse if she went in a different way I am so happy she didn't but I just realized the more and more I watched toy story 3 the more and more I realized Jesse could have ended up just like lotso if given the right circumstances
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Why Gabby Gabby is the worst Toy Story villain
If we’re just talking about Pixar, Auto may be good.
Edit: if it’s just any villian, maybe the spot, death…..
bowser?
I would love to see a coco / de la Cruz analysis! Not sure if you think he’s a good villain, but I would love to hear your opinion on my favorite movie ever!
Charles Munoz in his finest
Cover Miles Axlerod one of the worst predictable plot twist villain.
"Idiots! Children destroy toys! You will be ruined! Forgotten! Spending eternity rotting in some landfill!" I wonder if this line from Stinky Pete was just a happy coincidence, or if the writers intentionally took this line and used it for the conflicts in this movie.
It was definitely intentional.
This sort of idea was said enough times in Toy Story 2 that I'm confident that they did it on purpose.
I mean the first 3 toy story movies are 100% a trilogy. 1 introduces the world and the relative status quo of the characters, 2 introduces the major themes and starts to develop the overall debate of the trilogy, and 3 finishes off those themes and ties everything up with a nice bow. The themes of Toy Story are about sentimentality, growing up, and the role of our own inner childishness as we move on.
"We're all just trash! Waiting to be thrown away! That's all a toy is!" one of lotso's quotes that sticks out with me.
@@isaiahwalking As a kid, I hated how Lotso didn't come through for Woody and the gang in the end, but as an adult, I realize how amazing the writing on that is. It makes Lotso even more despicable and easy to despise/try NOT to be and it's awesome! 😁
Lotso is what more villains should be. You can sympathize with his past, but they pull a perfect twist where he doesn't redeem himself. Usually, those type of villains are "misunderstood" or "has reasons to act the way they do", but that's not how the real world works.
Exactly.
It kinda is though. People all have reasons to act they way do, doesn't make them good reasons
Yeah exactly. Even anime such as One Piece for example does this pretty well.
Most villains are fine as they are in terms of villainy with styles and all.
Yea, it's pretty awesome
To put it simply: Latso created a cult. Manipulating the hurt toys going through such emotional suffering and making sure they rely on him and if they don’t… punishment.
That's exactly what I was thinking!!! It was giving cult vibes to me!!
Lotso is basically doing the toy version of a "struggle session"
One even could say a Cult of Personality!
I wish people would stop only using the word cult in pejorative ways. It's the root of culture for crying out loud. A cult is basically a group of individuals going against the grain. Sometimes it ends in tragedy, sometimes the world changes for the better. Sometimes they just do their own thing on their own.
@evanthesquirrel yeah.... that's what we are talking about. The ones that go against the grain..
I like how Woody says maliciously "forget it guys, he's not worth it" really shows how he'll never forgive Lotso if they see him again, I also like in the credits montage we see Chuckles smile knowing that Lotso's reign is over and knowing that Big Baby is doing fine too
Big Baby needs a lot of love ❤️
And he's not worth the trouble.
I really wanted for Chuckles to see baby as some bring your toy to class day.
I just loved how he stayed a villain until the very end. I feel like too many shows or movies try to make the villain seem like a good guy by the end and that they changed. But the reality in real life is that some people really are just that…evil and they won’t redeem themselves ever. Lotso was just that. A villian until the very end. Would say he’s one of Disney’s best villains because you understand why he is this way but it still doesn’t excuse his actions .
Jesus loves you. We can all be forgiven.
Isaiah 41:10
Romans 3:23-24
John 3:16-17
Romans 8:35-39
Luke 23:42-43
The fact that the writers of this movie could take a concept of a daycare and turn it into a terrifying dictator run prison for toys is so goddamn genius, I will never stop gushing about it. And it’s made even more genius by Lotso himself.
Honestly this is what a great villain is. You totally understand why they are the way they are, while at the same time not excusing the horrific actions they’re doing. And it’s made even better by the fact that he doesn’t get to redeem himself and ends up as powerless as the toys whose spirits he broke.
He may not be the best Pixar villain (in my opinion that’s Syndrome), but Lotso is a very close second. He’s terrifying, a serious threat, strangely charismatic and at times funny, and a true representation of what Woody could have been if he had continued being the jealous and petty toy he was in the first movie.
His page on Villains Wiki has that on the trivia. He is also like Woody's Black Friday portrayal.
yeah, this is so true. It's phenomenal when writers create their characters as if they were real people, not irrationally evil, not as an unreal newfound hero, but as a tainted realistic person struggling in a gray morality.
@@iceink5274 sadly being irrationally evil is a characteristic common to many humans, probably way more than the ones that have actual understandable reasons for acting how they act
What I find amazing is how well Lotso ties together themes from both the first and the second movie as a villain. It's so natural as if he was always intended to be the finale.
Totally agree with you, though I personally would rank Lotso as being better than Syndrome, but that's only bc Syndrome's plan failed without the Incredibles intervening, meanwhile Lotso only lost bc of Woody and the gang.
It's interesting how selfish Lotso is for wanting to live at a daycare. He wants an endless supply of kids to play with him, showing that he sees both humans and other toys as a means to an end, just to serve him.
Oh dang I didn't notice that
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@@matthewisguy7336I miss that game, curse you ROVIO!!!!
Why does that sound so much like someone else we know?
"Where's your kid now sheriff?" is the single most haunting and and evil lines I have ever heard in a film.
A line that should NOT have happened. I wanted Woody to leave that bear to burn. And I could see the betrayal coming a mile away. Seriously, who would risk his life to save someone who betrayed him TWICE before?!
@@NostalgicGamerRickOShayIt's as they say. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Being played for a sap like the others and only realizing later that his friends were in danger was once. Saving him with the hopes that Lotso would follow-through was twice. Woody wasn't kind enough to be fooled three times.
@@NostalgicGamerRickOShayit was meant to show that Woody is truly a good person.
@@Crafty-Cam1992yep he's the better person in the end for saving his enemy instead of leaving him to his death he doesn't leave toys behind
What's so chilling about that line is the fact that it's basically us saying to each other: "Where's your god now?"
Not meaning to take this to too religious route, that's not the point of the film. But in the end, Woody and the company were saved by a miracle. It is a wonderful way to show that good deeds makes the world around you a better place, even when you can't save or change everyone's world view.
He smells like beef and cheese and sits on a throne of lies
👉I understood that reference
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And strawberries. He also smells like strawberries.
I get the reference, but he smells like strawberries. 😉
HE'S A FAKE!!!!
Lotso's design is *perfect*. His bigger build and thick eyebrows help him to come off as menacing when his true colors are revealed but he still completely looks the part of "sweet, lovable teddy bear."
I also respect how the Toy Story movies make the creepy looking toys misunderstood instead of pure evil villains. In fact, they were only used as pure minions and are often used by more appealing looking characters.
Its kind of genius because its easy to make creepy looking characters out to be scapegoats that often happens in real life.
They could've easily made Baby to be a pure villain, only to reveal he's just another victim of Lotso's thats being used as a pawn to get his way.
He's actually a lot like Waternoose in that way. Friendly, kind, understanding authority figure, but with just a shift of stature and attitude, menacing, strong, and creepy.
@@BlueRigingI recently saw someone say that Waternoose's design makes him look both like a friendly grandpa, and a spider monster
@@BlueRiging He’s nothing at all like Waternoose. He’s much more like Hopper and Syndrome because of his arrogant and self-absorbed attitude
@@pbsfundingaddict790 I was speaking of visual design
Lotso reminds me of the original woody character, someone meant to be a sly, sneaky and cruel leader to people not in the hierarchy, even threatening slinky with andy not loving him if he didn't behave. They were even planning on making the original toy story 1 set in a daycare instead of andy's room back when woody was meant to be one of those string puppets instead of his cowboy design.
Since you put it like that, I wonder if that was on purpose.
@@LendriMujina i wouldn't be surprised if it was their inspiration for it
I want Imagine two versions Woody facing off wild west style, one that moved on and one that couldn't.
That's the Black Friday Reel version of Woody you're talking about - the one which everyone over at Disney and Pixar are ashamed of
@@kingandrewcecil348 ye, but it does have a lot of parallels to lotso, doesn't it?
Lotso is the definition of a sympathetic/tragic villain going too far for their actions.
For his case, his actions makes him unsympathetic and less tragic due to how horrible they are.
I agree
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In other words, he’s ex-tragic.
@@austinreed7343 Exactly. His past doesn't excuse his actions at all.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 As Woody points out, his backstory doesn't justify anything he did. No matter how much Daisy "abandoning" him hurt him, his actions surpassed the excuse because
- The reason why Daisy replaced Lotso was because he was her favorite toy and she lost him purely on accident, not because she didn't love him.
- Lotso forced Big Baby and Chuckles to run away from home and join him in his suffering even though they weren't even replaced, only him.
- The toys that Lotso took out his anger on had nothing to do with him getting replaced at all.
- To summarize it, Lotso abandoned Daisy, not the other way around, due to not being able to accept someone else having her if he couldn't, making his motive a selfish one, and by extension, it turns his horrendous treatment of the other toys into his way of angrily lashing out at everyone else with the mindset that if he can't be happy, no one can. Also, when he left Woody and the gang to die, all the sympathy was immediately thrown out of the window.
I heard that originally, Lotso was going to actually save Andy's toys and redeem himself, however, somebody who was watching an early iteration of the film told the producers that Lotso saving the toys wouldn't make sense considering how he was a dictator, so they changed the ending to now, where Lotso doubles down, and refuses to save the other toys.
That was a very smart decision. It would be kind of insulting honestly if at the end of the movie Lotso would be like "Oh, gee, I guess I didn't have to be a harsh dictator after all."
I heard it was more that he was gonna get the same comeuppance but audiences thought he was too sympathetic and would WANT him to do that, hence them adding that crueller twist.
That’s right. Test audiences who had sympathized with Lotso due to his backstory wanted him to push the button in the incinerator scene to redeem himself, but according to the DVD commentary, director Lee Unkrich explained that Lotso chose not to save the other toys so that audiences who had gotten to know them for three films in fifteen years could care about the heroes even more, when it looked like the end for them shortly before The Pizza Planet Aliens rescued them with the claw. Thus, Lotso's redemption was dropped. Another reason is because they did not want Lotso to get off so easy.
Thats the best decision imo. All the sh*t he did just to throw it away in a 5 seconds scene would have destroyed the entire point of his character. The suspense of that scene is also fantastic and makes you think he will actually save them, and the final decision makes the the toys and even the spectator feel completly betrayed, and thats what i love about that scene. That also makes his ending more satisfactory, where he is condemened to spend rest of his life attached to a truck.
Lotso would definitely die at the end if this wasn't a kids movie
Can we talk about how his "walking stick" looks like a judges gavel?
He appears as though he needs this crutch to properly walk and fucntion - he relies on this supportive tool just as he relies on the cooperation of the toys within the kindergarten.
But he doesnt actually need it. He can walk and run just fine without it. He fakes his disability and instead uses it as a farce for command and control. He is not a frail bear - he is the judge, jury, and executioner.
Didn’t even catch that, nice detail!
Reminds me of Stephen's cane in Django Unchained. At the end, Stephen drops the cane and shows he never needed it - it was just a prop to make his false persona more believable. Same with Lotso.
@@MarianPerera-ye8be Either that or Lotso just thought he looked cool with it lol.
I like how Lotso’s defeat is not only everyone realizing how wrong he is, but also him pushing his power by pushing Big Baby which not only gets a reaction out of everyone, but makes you realize just how all it took for him to lose power is to try and stretch it to where no one would listen
I’ve realized that Lotso is big enough that he can (literally) push around and throw other toys and perhaps scare the others into compliance that way. But Big Baby is too large for that.
Lotso is the most evil toy story villain, the best twist villain, and he's not afraid to turn sunnyside into a concentration camp
“You’re wrong. And you think you’re right. That makes you dangerous”
-Tony Stark/ Peter Parker, 2016
To be fair, Cap was right
I THOUGHT OF THIS TOO!! What a great quote!
"He said you're wrong. You think you're right... Makes you dangerous."
@@JustACactus616 MCU Civil War dropped the ball so fuckin' bad on it all auuuuugh, it did NOT do the comic version's arc justice and tried to cram too much into a single movie instead of letting the damn thing breathe. And that probably started with making Tony make Ultron instead of Hank.
Like where the FUCK is the Tony that told Senate to go get bent and argued that his suit was his own property and got fueled by his guilt and remorse into going against the establishment to clean up his mess in Yinsen's honor?
If they wanted to take him in THAT direction they should have adapted a merge of Superior Iron Man and Living Armor: not Ultron, but Tony enhancing himself into a villain, make the scepter cause Living Armor and Superior Tony in the AoU-replacement and Cap and co watch uneasily as Tony uses Stark Industries to start a huge monopoly take-over, and finish it in the CW rewrite with Cap having to take him down after he goes full villain and sides with Ross and make it clear the Sokovia Accords are as tyrannical as the SHRA.
Hard cut to Tony having survived, but with a modified arc reactor as a literal mechanical heart. Either memory wipe him to Iron Man 1 where old pre-moral-erosion Tony who's fresh from Yinsen's sacrifice is stuck dealing with his villainous self's end-justify-means, or haunted by becoming no better than Stane and let him pass on the mantle to Warmachine and Rhodey's new protege Riri with her Ironheart armor.
(yes I'm still mad that they did Civil War so dirty, the comics made Tony's fall from grace SO GOOD in how he justified everything and the more things got out of his control the worse he got trying to control every variable, and Cap had so much more nuance and worries that an action movie absolutely failed to capture... GAH.)
@@neoqwerty Nah this movie was great
@neoqwerty The point is how the journey of the movie have flipped Tony and Steve's worldviews. For Tony he started fiercely independent, telling the Senate to lick his balls when they demanded he work for them. But Tony has been through some things. He can't fight alien invasions on his own. He can't fight God Tier enemies on his own. No matter how many suits he builds, he's going to lose. A fear exacerbated by Wanda. And after several very public failures he decides maybe he shouldn't be making unilateral decisions anymore. His independence and confidence has been broken over time to the point where he'd capitulate to the Accords if it means keeping everyone a little more safe and keeping the team together.
This is the opposite of Captain America who once believed in Truth, Justice, and the American way... wait was that Superman's thing? For Cap he thought he was on a team that fought bullies and he was willing to submit to a government that had the best intentions. Except they don't, he was naive. They were gonna nuke Manhattan off the map. Hydra had infected their ranks and no one knew. Their grand plan was to put a bunch of doomships in the sky and snipe anyone who posted too many hot takes on Twitter. Steve, the biggest team player, had become the independent thinker by that point.
It was a cool role reversal even if I think Civil War was a messy movie overall
Lotso is like an abusive father.
He tries to control everything and lashes out when challenged.
No
@@Crafty-Cam1992 Yeah.
@@Crafty-Cam1992 Yes
He embodies the very real phenomenon of people that have suffered becoming corrupted by their trauma and trying to make others go through the same pain, rather than trying to prevent others from going through it.
I wouldn’t compare Lotso to an abusive father. He’s more like a school bully or a criminal karen who doesn’t want to be told he or she is wrong
Lotso is underrated as most people just cast him off as a "cheap twist villain" but I always appreciated how he was portrayed.
He is a “twist” villain but one that I think was done right.
There's nothing cheap about his twist.....some people just hated twist villains for their overuse.
A lot of people also cast him as a prospector copy for some reason
Lotso just makes me depressed. The idea of someone convinced so thoroughly that all toys are inherently worthless, even himself, ESPECIALLY himself, is just.. Really fucking sad. Great villain. Great motivation. Great voice acting by the late Ned Beatty. Just all around great. My absolute favorite Pixar villain for just how raw he is.
I love when villains don't sugar coat things. They feel more real than most traditional villains.
You just described the average zoomer today
@@Crafty-Cam1992 What are you talking about?
@carnage0685 My favorite Pixar villain is Sid from the first Toy Story because we all know kids in our neighborhood or at school like to set things on fire and have a creative but scary imagination. Plus, in WickedBinge’s Sentencing Pixar Villains For Their Crimes, Sid got off easier than Lotso, only being sentenced to 10 years probation and regularly seeking a psychiatrist, whereas Lotso got sentenced to life in prison.
There are a lot of people like that. Misanthropy is the root of malevolence.
Lotso acts as a darker reflection of the following characters:
Woody: Both were in charge of the toys at their location (Woody, Andy's House, and later Bonnie's House; Lotso, Daisy's House, and later Sunnyside), and both ended up abandoned by their former owner. However, Woody never gave up on Andy, while Lotso gave up on Daisy. Coincidentally, Lotso's behavior was very similar to Woody's original rendition in Toy Story, specifically his characterization in the Black Friday reel. Also by coincidence, both characters also ended up toned up/toned down for the final version due to unexpected events during a test screening (Woody was originally an immense jerk and lacked compassion, but was toned down after the Black Friday reel nearly shut down production of Toy Story; likewise, Lotso had his cruelty amplified after test audiences sympathized with him and wanted him to push the button to show that he deserved his punishment). Lotso is an example of what Woody would have become if he let his fear of being replaced get to him. Lotso also served as a lesson for Woody in the film, because if Woody didn't move on with his life and decided to remain with Andy instead of his friends, then he would've ended up being like Lotso.
Jessie: Lotso's backstory is similar to Jessie's backstory. Jessie was abandoned by her first owner Emily, while Lotso was replaced by Daisy's new bear. Both toys were heartbroken and spent years without an owner. However, unlike Lotso, Jessie didn't resort to a life of crime. Lotso is a perfect example of what Jessie could have become if she let her heartbreak get the best of her.
Stinky Pete: Both seemed to be loving at first but were eventually revealed to be cruel tyrants in the end. This is mainly because of a sense of feeling rejected or unloved, which was clearly seen in both Pixar villains. Coincidentally, the music that played during Lotso's defeat was the same music heard during Stinky Pete's defeat. However, while Stinky Pete has a tragic backstory and a few redeeming qualities (he was a very kind friend to Jessie and Bullseye during their time in storage at Al's apartment), Lotso is far more despicable as he simply wants other toys to get hurt and tries to get Woody and his friends killed in the incinerator even though they freed him from the golf bag. Lotso is an example of the kind of toy that Pete could've become if he allowed his past to consume him with the belief that all toys have no purpose but to be thrown away.
Gabby Gabby: Both were toys who no longer had owners at the beginning of their respective movies, and had henchmen who worked for them. They also took management of different locations (Sunnyside for Lotso, the Second Chance Antiquities Store for Gabby). However, unlike Gabby (who was affable and was particularly kind to her henchmen and even her captives, moved on in life after being rejected by Harmony, and can be sympathized with), Lotso feigned kindness and treated his henchmen with disrespect, never accepted the fact that he was replaced by Daisy with another Lotso, and annihilated any sympathy with everything he's done. Lotso is an example of the kind of toy Gabby could've become if she didn't move on with life nor accepted that Harmony rejected her, and instead allowed it to consume her with anger and violence.
Uh, Lotso can’t remain with Daisy because she already replaced him with another Lotso duplicate. Villains Wiki should rephrase that as Woody choosing to let his envy consume him and not move on with life, he would’ve ended up like Lotso
@@pbsfundingaddict790 Expect it's shown that Daisy *still* loved Lotso. Woody was replaced by Buzz, but the duplicate is another Lotso, showing how much she still loved him. Meaning *SHE* didn't willingly lose her love for him just because something new and exciting came along.
It took Andy losing Woody and Buzz to realize how much he still loved Woody. Daisy never stopped. Lotso choose to believe he and Woody were the same, but the reality is: Woody acknowledged that Buzz was worthy of Andy's love just by the simple fact he was a toy too.
This happens all the time with toys because of the human nature of loving the new and exciting but forgetting to value the old or just because you outgrew it (this happened with Jessie (forget) and Barbie (outgrew)). The toys don't hold it against the children even if it hurts them because they know what their purpose is: be there when the children need them. Daisy never wanted to forget Lotso and still valued him, thus still needed him: that's why her parents gave her an extant replica.
And also don't forget that *they* left him behind, not Daisy. She fell asleep right next him, and the parents didn't think to pick Lotso, Baby and Chuckles up.
@@girl1213 But there’s no reason for Lotso to go back to Daisy when she already replaced him with a duplicate
@@pbsfundingaddict790 I don't know. A lot of children are delighted to have two of the same toy.
Point I'm making: Lotso truly gave up on Daisy, but he wants to blame her instead of himself.
I miss when sympathetic villains were still punished like villains. Everyone has crappy stuff to deal with in life, but it’s not an excuse to be a bad person. When I first saw Toy Story 3, I thought Lotso was meh because it’s another toy who doesn’t trust humans and tries to force our cast to stay with him.
But then I saw Toy Story 3 for the first time in years, after a friend had done everything they could to paint me as evil for not tolerating their abuse, and always, ALWAYS used their past as an excuse for their toxic views and actions towards me. And it’s like you know what? This villain is pretty scary. And he got what was coming
Well you can break some rules in life, just saying but sympathetic villains are still villains no matter what
Don't you know it's a part of the nobody is really a villan push
@@dream6562 Yeah the weak mindset I know.
I really believe that the concept of the misunderstood villain started as something pure about how even the meanest person can turn back to the good way if you put effort in it to become a fantasy stereotype for crap people of "welp I indeed undestand that my actions ruined the life of the others and that my existence till now it's just for the wrong but you need to understand me I suffered so please don't give me any consecuence at all", its kind of sad how writers can make a history about someone redention and in the same time giving him consecuences but they decide to throw that away in search of appealing the culture of unconsecuence.... Also i'm srry I didn't explain myself good enough i don't know how to write english Lmao
@@marcoantonioveganatividad I agree with you there. In a skilled writer’s hand, a sympathetic villain has depth but the self awareness on the creator’s part is there to realize they’re still wrong no matter how much they may feel for their situation. But a lot of the time now, it’s become an excuse to be light on horrible things because the writer themselves doesn’t have strong principles
14:50 Wait. This is the same setup as Darth Vader throwing Palpatine.
A broken subordinate to an authoritarian villain finally decides to take hold of their own fate in life and throws their ruler to their doom.
Well not the first time Toy story did a homage to Star wars
@@noobmasterruben5167Or any other form of Lucas media (Indiana Jones).
Somehow lotso returned
@@fornax5798I didn’t think you could make that sentence worse but you accomplished it
I compare Lotsos abandonment more to Woody and Buzz from the first movie, honestly. They were lost toys. The biggest deal was Lotso when he finally got home found out he was replaced.
By comparison, Jessie wasn’t lost, she was forgotten.
It still ties into the rest of the trilogy just on a different connection. Jessie by comparison fell under the bed, and like you said, Lotso goes back to his issue with Stinky Pete, that it’s not going to last. So Lotso connects to BOTH movies if you connect his backstory to Woody and Buzz’s then Jessie’s.
Riping Ken's clothes was one of my favorite scenes when I was a kid. Also, the monkeys actually gave me nightmares when I was younger.
The monkey in the security room was pure nightmare fuel
There's a movie called Merlin's Shop of Mysticall Wonders that uses that monkey as a villain. Always thought that's what inspired it's use in TS3
Children, believe in magic, or I'll kill you!-Merlin MST3K
Yes
"Barbie! Not the Naroom Jacket!"
"This is from what? 1967~??"
"THE GROOVY FORMAL COLLECTION, YES!"
"What a shame."
That scene always makes me laugh. Its the perfect comeuppance. XD
I still hate the monkey, the way the phone tone talks about him makes him perfect nightmare fuel
honestly i think Lotso has the same kind of “tricks people into thinking he’s the good guy” vibes as Tigerclaw from Warriors. not only did he trick everyone and cause terrible trust issues with his revealed betrayal, he seemed to not think of himself as a villainous traitor, or worse, didn’t care that he was evil and heartless.
What's warriors?
@@kingofcards9 fantasy book series for ages 8-12. It’s about cats living out in the woods. They have an organized society and stuff.
@@pillowmoment thanks.
You reminded me that we need more Warriors analogies because there are enough characters and situations to address other arcs and tropes
@@kingofcards9 np! :3
I love how many star wars references and paralels are in these movies like "I am your father" bit from TS2, and how Baby is really just Darth Vader and lotso is the Emporor in the dumpster scene of this movie.
Toy Story 3 is a better Star Wars movie from Disney than their own Star Wars movies.
Not to mention how the TS trilogy follows a very similar pattern to the star wars OT. The first movie is relatively self contained, small scope, just feels like it's trying to show you a bit of this wonderful world. The second movie starts setting up these interesting themes that will end up defining the series, the central debate of the trilogy, and the third movie follows through on those themes and brings them to a satisfying conclusion
Come to think of it, the Toy Story Trilogy makes minor references to the original Star Wars Trilogy.
Toy Story: Buzz references A New Hope by explaining his mission.
Toy Story 2: Zurg references The Empire Strikes Back by telling alternate Buzz that he is his father.
Toy Story 3: Baby references Return of the Jedi by throwing Lotso into the dumpster.
Imitation is a form of flattery.
@@WildDancer101 whoa, you’re right. They ARE better Star Wars movies than those we actually got.
Even better: before Ned Beatty was cast, Mark Hamill was considered for the role of Lotso, so we could've ended up hearing Dark Luke screaming as he's thrown in the dumpster.
I once lost a stuffed animal dog my grandparents had given me for Christmas. My parents bought me another, and it just wasn't the same. It's not just about the toy (at least for me) it's about the emotional attachment and backstory. Kinda like Bonnie when she lost Forky in toy story 4, when she told her parents "there's only one forky" after they had suggested she just made another one. I guess Daisy didn't have that emotional attachment to that lotso.
She had more attachment to the clown and the baby, probably.
The film's director, Lee Unkrich says that he got the inspiration for Lotso's backstory when his niece left her favorite toy - a doll named "Peggy" - at a Burger King restaurant, and had replaced her with a new doll named Peggy. He wondered what the old Peggy would think if she came back and discovered there was a new Peggy.
@@exaltedfalcheon1793 No, she played with Lotso the most.
It’s entirely possible that she didn’t even realize. I don’t think it came down to emotional attachment. She clearly loved him the most.
When I was young, I had a stuffed kitten named Kara. One day, I lost her on a trip. My parents replaced her with an admittedly cute stuffed kitten I also named Kara, but I knew she wasn't the same. She didn't look much like the old Kara either.
Daisy likely never realized the new Lotso was different because she was so young and because they looked identical. I was a kid who looked for small differences in fur patterns and such that I think I could maybe have told a difference between them, but I'm not sure how old I would have had to be to do that.
Waternoose is my favorite Pixar villain, but Lotso is easily the most well-written. He’s very complex, manipulative, hatable, and honestly the best Pixar villain from a thematic standpoint.
Also, while his backstory absolutely doesn’t justify his actions, it’s still very sad (due to the music in the background).
But that’s all I have to say, as you said everything else I could say about this villain.
I love both of them and they definitely remind me of each other. Both of their designs fit them as villains, but they’re also very believable as charming and kind before the twist.
@@NearsightedNarhwal Especially after seeing how Waternoose looked when he was younger (end credits of monster university). Bro had a full afro, like come on, he looked like a really cool guy.
If I remember correctly, he also didn’t even WANT to trap Sully in the mountains
Sid from the first Toy Story is my favorite Pixar villain because tomboys and gothic people relate to him and in WickedBinge’s Sentencing Pixar Villains For Their Crimes, he only got sentenced to 10 years probation with the requirement that he regularly seeks a psychiatrist. Out of all the Toy Story villains, Sid and Gabby Gabby got off easy in that sentencing series.
I absolutely love and adore when animated movies include a tyrant or a dictator as a villain. This is why I love villains like Jafar from Aladdin, Scar from The Lion King, Kingpin from Into the Spiderverse, and especially Lord Shen from Kung Fu Panda 2.
I really love Lotso’s design. It kind of reminds me of the villain from Monsters Inc. Both designs have the ability to be charming and likable, but they still fit their role as a villain. Even when you rewatch both films KNOWING that these characters aren’t actually good, they still feel good in the scenes before the twist is revealed.
Another Pixar villain I would nominate as equally terrifying is Charles Muntz from Up, he's also one of the best twist villains, and just like Syndrome, Charles killed people. Remember from Up, we learn about Charles Muntz from a newsreel, where he was hailed as a gallant explorer, and after an expedition to Paradise Falls, Charles brings back the skeleton of a massive bird, only to be denounced as a fraud, and stripped of his explorer credentials, yet undeterred, he embarks on a new expedition back to Paradise Falls, in the vain hopes of bringing back a specimen to clear his reputation. We learn about Charles from our main character - Carl Fredricksen, who views him as a hero, and with his companion Ellie, aspire to travel to Paradise Falls with their home, this is clever plot framing, based on the information we were given, Up convinced us Muntz was good, until his motivations is revealed. Carl and Russell encounter Muntz after attaching balloons to the house, in a cocamainy scheme to travel to Paradise Falls, after inadvertently mentioning they found the large bird, Carl's twisted machinations are sprung, he still has the helmets of the explorers he murdered - a cartographer making a map, and a botanist discovering the indigenous plants, these are just the ones we know, Muntz could have a higher body count. Just like Lotso, Muntz was too vain to accept his "L" and move on, they were determined to prove how right they were, no matter who was in their path, both Lotso and Muntz viewed themselves as the sole figure with the most value, and treated their fellows as disposable, because they were not allowed to outshine the antagonists, this is what makes these villains so terrifying, they see themselves as the hero in their own stories, and will not acknowledge the leaps of ruins left in their wake.
well damn!
that’s evil!! ‘-‘
Muntz is also what Carl would have become if he didn't move on from his loss and stick to the past and represent his dark side.
I think another part that contributed to Muntz’s worldview was the isolation. He was out in the middle of the jungle, alone for decades; sure there was the dogs, but that’s not the same as human interaction.
I LOVE FASCIST TOTALITARIAN PINK BEARS!!
OMG SAAAAAAME
Fascist?
I wouldn't call him fascist.
Though certainly an autocrat.
He's not really fascist. even though fascism is totalitarian, totalitarianism comes in many forms
@@PanagiotisPolitis-bl9xj tbf fascist has its literal definition, and then the more general "bad dictator who I don't like" definition usually thrown around by either uninformed people, people trying to get a point across quickly, or actual fascists who want to call their opponents fascists to obfuscate their own goals
Strawberry dictator my beloved
He is still a cuddly bear ''by design'' though, that's why when Lotso got replaced in the movie I'm sure the second Lotso was a very nice kind and lovable individual.
Every individual toy has its own unique personality, right? Ngl I’d personally feel bad for that Lotso for being associated with the bad one, even if it’s just based on surface level similarities.
@@rockmangurlx4973 Weeeeee Beeeeelong tooogether 😎🎵. Lol who's to say he never showed up.
@@rockmangurlx4973 Does the Second Lotso even know about the first one?
@@concept5631I think that's open to interpretation. The new Lotso could somehow have found out that he was meant as a replacement for the original his kid lost, but it's also entirely possible that he never found out about this because she was too happy to care
@@rockmangurlx4973 To be fair the Buzz Lightyear that had a cool belt and a dad, FELT totally different personality wise compared to Andy's Buzz Lightyear.
I like his rant on the trash bin, just a scared, pathetic, nihilistic old man trying to cope with the bad things that happened to him
The way his voice cracks as he yells "We're all just trash, just waiting to be thrown away- that's all toys are!" is brilliant voice acting.
At some point people will realize that this is how things work. Bad people created by bad circumstance, it happens all the time and will continue for all of time. But people will still look at the person which is a result, blaming them and never address the root cause, the bad that turned them that way. Staying blind for ignorance sake.
@@abuDA-bt6ei Lotso’s reaction was pretty unreasonable, though. He lied to Big Baby and claimed that all of them were replaced, instead of just him. There were some underlying ego problems even before he fully turned evil.
@@abuDA-bt6eiAnd the crime rates will rise, the suicide rates will rise... Yet no one will try and understand the root cause. We judge people way too quickly, while it does not excuse his actions, people should be more understanding. Too many people judge criminals as evil and suiciders as pussies, while most of them have reasons for their actions, reasons, not excuses of course.
@@capncake8837I don't think you can expect people's reaction to be perfect when hurt in that way. So basically you expected Lotso to go on his own and let his friends get a happy reunion? I also disagree with underlying problems, the clown said something snapped in him that day
There is people and politicians who is exactly like Lotso. Kinda scary how realistic it is
It’s always scary how accurate “cartoons that are for children” can be to real world people and events.
I would actually appreciate some examples, this just seems oddly specific for politicians to really apply all that much to. But then again maybe not.
@@itsLantik "Politicians bad because uhh theyre corrupt and thats like this one disney villain"
*refuses to elaborate further*
@@Sunnysideanyway Honestly 🤣
I don’t know about politicians, but there does seem to be a phenomenon of people who have suffered becoming corrupted by their trauma and trying to make others suffer like they did. I guess an example would be bullies who get abused at home, then hurt other kids.
Lotso is definitely one of the scarier villains out there. The perfect balance of exterior kindness and perfect voice acting that pulls us in and may even act as a layer of comfort for us in the first half of the film, but in the inside he’s a soul who’s worldview was completely torn apart by the feeling of abandonment. The way he speaks and acts is bone chilling. His soft voice mixed with his evil intent is terrifying. Fantastic villain.
I think what makes Lotso a truly despicable creature is that he _doesn't_ really believe in this worldview he so adamantly pushes onto others. Look at how he immediately handles being thrown away by Big Baby, begging not to be shut in mere seconds after going on a tirade about how that is exactly what they all have to look forward to.
He's not in denial of the error of his ways, he understand fully well how fragile and unsustainable this worldview is. He has no convictions, just a desire to use others to "build a pyramid" with himself on top.
Yeah that's the big catch with Lotso, and why I don't buy how many think he's this complex nihilist. He is basically just a pretentious form of a butthurt bully who doesn't have a toy and so breaks all the other kids' toys and calls them 'stupid' out of spite (the scene of him smashing Big Baby's locket and calling him a baby is pretty on the nose about it). He thinks he 'sees the way' but ultimately it's all about his ego and how he doesn't find any logic to anyone being happy when he isn't. That climax is where you see the excuse is solely that, an excuse.
This is how all bad guys act. During the gangster warfare days in early North America, many of the mobsters, despite their slick suits and prideful behavior, were VERY afraid of spending the rest of their lives in prison. They also feared real consequences of their crimes, despite acting like gods over everybody else.
It's the power that crooks want, and many will play a hypocrite just to keep it. This is why I personally love seeing enemies lose their cool during the climax of a film. Like Lotso, we got to see how rotten a bear he really was...and thank goodness, he got his just reward.
What I love about this character is the fact that the screenwriters have the guts to literally put a character that’s literally Austrian Painter, a prison warden, and a teddy bear all in one into a kid’s movie. And what makes it even better is that the movie is still rated g!
We need more villains like this
Such an amazing video! I’m in a situation similar to this with my dad. I’m a vulnerable adult. I’m being left to rot in a sober house. I was always thought from a very young age that I have no worth. I’m treated as such by family. I’m finally able to see I have worth. I was in jail, went to a rehab, PHP, and IOP. I realize I have worth no matter what my family says to me. I’m 60 days sober and am trying to get a job. I needed this video Rock thank you. I appreciate the dedication to your content. Unfortunately nothing will change my father’s world view. Even now I’m not treated with any respect or dignity. I hope my dad finally learns his actions have consequences.
I once heard this qoute "You are worthy simply because you are." It spoke to me.
Have a lovely life stranger on the internet, I wish you kindness.
Lotso Huggin Bear,
one of the most manipulative, merciless, masterminds of Pixar's rouges gallery.
And he smells like strawberries. 🍓🍓🍓
I gotta say, my brother and I despised Lotso when we first saw the movie.
You knew what was coming next
My cousin HATES Lotso. 😆 every time we play the Toy Story 3 game in the Woody’s Roundup section, he’s gotta go attack him with something even if he’s just an NPC. 😆
(He’s like 8 by the way)
I think the one thing that makes me cringe in disgust about Lotso as a villain and as a character is the fact that he abuses and manipulates Baby (a toy that literally reflects an ACTUAL BABY) in order to inflict pain upon the protagonists. It gives me the same feelings of those villains that kidnap newborns with the intent of raising them to be as evil as them, hold a newborn hostage for the sake of getting what they want from others, or even get violent with babies as a means to take out their aggression. Lotso does all three, and it "rattles" me to my very core at the thought of a cutesy bear being so heartless as to drag a BABY with him down his twisted path of cruelty and gaslighting.
Now THAT'S true evil.
Luke 17:2 comes to mind.
@@bighand1530 What was the context? I have no idea what this message was meant to display exactly
Basically, this is an old tactic used by dictators. They're called child soldiers, from Nazi Germany's Hitler Youth to the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia or any African and Middle Eastern warlords or just about any despicable tyrant or warlord or piece of shit with a gun that has morals looser than someone's bowels after taking laxatives.
This tactic of using child soldiers is to basically give them an early introduction into the suicide cult...errr... political cause they're press ganged into so that they can grow into fanatical murder hobos for the group. No better time to indoctrinate people than when they're young and can't take of or think for themselves and have to swallow any regurgitated talking point to get the approval of the person giving them shelter and food.
Luke 17:2 says “It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.”
@@chickenbucket7842
“It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.”
Good insight on him. I was livid when he left them at the junkyard, but it solidifies Lotso as an entity. This story is the whole picture of a perfect disaster. Oh my goodness, it’s sure to have left an impression of sympathy but also the need for care for others. The toys are vulnerable to many things even humans seldom see, so heed the caution of not believing Lotso at his words.
I never realized Lotso's fate was so ironic and so perfect
Lotso is a pretty imposing villain, specifically the tyrannically nihilistic dictator type, who believes everyone should have the same view as he does and ensure they do by any means necessary. I agree that the Dumpster scene was dark and oddly satisfying, because Lotso's underlings finally see their former boss's true colors when he said this: "This is what happens when you *Dummies* try to *think!* We're all just *Trash,* waiting to be *thrown away!* That's all a Toy is!" It means he doesn't want any Toys in Sunnyside to believe there's more value in each and every individual Toy, than what Lotso wants them to believe.
a slight reference to hopper, maybe?
And then Big Baby immediately throws him into the dumpster and lets him beg and plead to let him out, fully confirming that he is full of bullshit.
Ah yes, I too remember when Pixar made masterpieces of storytelling.
While I think Toy Story 3 got over hyped when it came out, I agree that it's a masterpiece of storytelling and animation.
The thought and care that went into developing Lotso and the logical ramifications of his worldview is something that we sorely miss in Hollywood and even Pixar today
I love the voice of Ned Beatty. He pulls off both the gentle old grandfather who loves to tell his grandkids stories and the hardass prison warden who is not above cruel and unusual punishment perfectly.
True.
Welcome to Mississippi...
That is so true.
One thing I admire about Lotso is that he for once is not some last minute twist villain pulled out of the plot's ass. We see this bs with Frozen's Hans and Zootopia's Bellwether. Stinky Pete and Waternoose worked because twist villains were kind of new at that time. Another twist villain that is not last minute that I like is Professor Marmalade from The Bad Guys because between him and Lotso, we actually get screentime with them doing evil stuff.
Pink bear.
No…
EVIL pink bear😈😈
The Marketing: Look at this CUTE CUDDLY BEAR!!!!
The actual movie: Stalin
The moment when Losto smashes the heart locket with daisy’s name on it, his minions have the body language of “What the fuck have we done” and “did we really do this”.
I love how much better Barbie and Ken are as "bosses" after Lotso was done for.
Indeed
Mostly Ken because he was Lotso’s second in command. He knows how Lotso operates and maybe he knew how flawed it was from the beginning.
The next year Ned Beatty would go on to voice another great twist villain in the Nickelodeon movie Rango. Rest in peace Ned. You brought so much heart to Lotso’s menace.
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Fun Fact: Lotso's punishment was originally meant for Woody. For context, when Toy Story 1 was still in development, the writers, animators, some of the actors (including Tom Hanks and Tim Allen), and storyboard artists created a brief demo called the Black Friday Reel. It was mostly the same as the final product but they were still developing it and decided to show the execs at Disney their progress. However, one detail was different, in the original version on the Black Friday Reel, Woody knocked Buzz out the window on purpose, in conjunction with him being more sarcastic and commanding towards the toys. So basically, a slightly toned down version of Lotso.
Lotso also works as a parallel to Woody from the first movie. Being angry that Lotso forced Baby and The Clown to leave because HE was replaced.
Showing how Woody despises his own outlook from the first movie and connects to his feeling of being replaced by Buzz.
I never noticed that hut its so cool that Lotso links to the main characters of both the first 2 movies. Showing what Woody or Jessie could have been without the love they finally got from Andy
Baby's betrayal is sorta like Vader's betrayal of Palpatine and as baby threw losto in the trash Vader thew Palpatine down the reacter shaft
The greatest danger, toxic world views being forced upon everyone. A chest master and everyone else is a pawn.
Who would've thought that a movie about *children's toys* could hold this much depth...
These days I decided to rewatch this film, which is one of my favorites, and I realized something that I never questioned all these years.
When Lotso meets Daisy again and realizes that he has been replaced, he says something like, "She replaced all of us!" and Chuckles responds, "No, you were the only one!"
I always thought that Lotso was correct and that Chuckles countered 'he was the only one' in the sense that Lotso was the only one she loved. But the realization came to me that Chuckles and Big Baby could have returned, and Lotso took that right away from them. It's tragic all around.
I still can't get past the fact that the creators of the film think trash collection is a bad job. It pays a lot of money. In fact, when looking for a new driving job, I considered trash collection, motorcoach driving and public transport bus driving. All three pay a lot of money and are very important jobs. Society would collapse without them.
Lotso: We're all just trash waitin' to be thrown away! That's what a toy is!
Big Baby: We'll start with you!
I feel like Lotso’s a villain whom we could connect to people in our own lives. We’ve all had that one person whom we thought we could trust, like a friend, or teacher, or relative, or whatever they were, but it turned out that person had bad intentions and actually wanted to hurt us. Most of those people like that that we had in our lives have also been through trauma and decided to put their issues onto us, but we need to move on from what they did to us and reflect on how we can do better than them to heal from our traumas. People like Lotso aren’t worth your time and it’s important to remember that they might try to manipulate you and make you believe what they want you too, but there is a way out of it and there is a way you can rediscover what you truly believed in before that person came into your life. And remember to stand your ground with those people!
I am personally convinced that the scene where Big Baby casts Lotso into the dumpster was inspired by Darth Vader throwing Emperor Palpatine down the elevator shaft in "Return of the Jedi". The parallels are just too similar.
Lotso was the first villain for me i... really was afraid of. Not only afraid but... i couldnt NOT feel that he's, in a sense, right... That terrified me the most.
There's a theory that toy story 3 is about life and death that the trash burning scene is hell in that regard lotso ending could represent limbo never facing hell (trash) but never experiencing heaven (playing with kid) just existing (being tried to the truck)
my childhood toy was a mouse that's a fairly similar shade to lotso, a pure white for the details and slightly darker magenta, but similar colors.
That's always made me feel a connection to lotso in a way. Like I can see how much that little girl loves that bear. Enough that the parents immediately replaced it when lost.
I almost lost my mouse a few times as a kid but always managed to find it. It takes a prominent place on one of my shelves today.
I’d love to see an analysis on Waternoose from Monster Inc! My personal favorite pixar villain also following the realism of what “type” of bad person that Lotso has.
I basically already did a video on him, as a major section of my monsters inc video is dedicated to why he is a great villain.
It is incredible that these movies make you feel bad about what happens to our toys. I should have never let one toy be broken :(
It says a lot about the emotional power of these films that they can get us to care about inanimate objects.
Yeah...
These movies made me not want to EVER give up my toys. It might sound selfish to some, but these toys mean a lot to me, just as how Woody, Buzz, and their friends mean a lot to their original owner, Andy. The emotional impact the first 3 Toy Story films have on me is VERY strong!
Lotso's texture is so good, I can feel that fuzzy worn stuffed animal texture just from looking at him.
Lotso is like a G rated president snow from hunger games
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Lotso to me is the perfect example of how embracing nihilism can lead one down a cold path of treating others like garbage. Not everyone who embraces hopelessness is lost or an asshole, but Lotso sits at the extreme end of what happens when this is allowed to fester to the point where his entire worldview starts to become warped. The sympathy you feel for him is real, but he is too far gone by the end point of the film clearly. It was interesting how Pixar decided to make him irredeemable when misunderstood villains like him usually get redeemed.
Too many twist villains drastically change their personalities, so the audience has a harder time buying that this is the same character. A great thing about Lotso is that his personality remains the same pre- and post-transformation. He still is charismatic and bubbly, but now we understand why he behaves that way-not out of kindness but, as you mentioned, a spiteful need for control.
Lotso is the most chillingly realistic villain ever because he knows his limits, and manipulates everyone to feel powerful. He knows what he's doing is selfish and runs a borderline cult. That's why I was blown away by toy stories 3.
When I was a kid (around 5 or 6, if I remember well), my dad came back from work, with a teddy bear he claimed to have found "lost on the side of the road". My mother washed it with soap and chemicals, put it into the machine, and they gave it to me. Dad said : "treat that big fellow well, he have went through hard times, and he needs a new family now to love him". I still have the bear today, on my shelves. When I first saw how Lotso was abandoned, I felt deeply moved. So much memories !
Wow, I never realized how much of a poetic justice Lotso's end really was 😂.
What makes Lotso such a genuinely well-remembered villain as well is that despite his sympathetic and tragic backstory and corrupted worldview, unlike many villains today who share a similar mold, Lotso was simply too far gone to have any sort of redeeming quality left to him, so absorbed in his worldview to the point that he embodied it to the last. There was no redemption, there was no second chance, some people are so irreversibly affected by their trauma, and by extension the trauma they inflict on others that there's no hope for them.
That's pretty tragic in of itself
I really like him because he’s the closest to being a cult leader a Pixar villain could get.
I like the warped irony of Lotso seeing that Daisy only replaced him but not the clown and baby to mean she cared the least for him, when really this meant the opposite in that she cared the most for him and was her favorite. The only one worth replacing.
This video is a supreme example of a perfectly put together video! You explained yourself well, with continuous thoughts that made sense without rambling. You set the mood at certain points with the music choice and to top it off, you added timestamps in the video!
This is how to make a proper review of a character. Thank you! I love this video! Keep up the good work!
Toy Story 3 was a true horror movie for me as a kid, and most of it was because of the whole prison break the movie went for because of Lotso but was mostly just because of that darn monkey lol
That monkey sure scared a LOT of people, didn’t it?
@@eeyorehaferbock7870 yeah, totally !
Bookworm never liked Lotso, you could tell just by how he threw the Buzz Lightyear manual at him.
Toy story 3 was so damn good, i swear to myself never to watch it again because of how perfect of a villain lotso is, and those tearjerker scenes made me cry a lot. But i did rewatched it some time later
i alway love how toy story turn a simple place like some family house into a scary place, nah toy storie 3 turn a kindergarten into a hecking prison and it so dark and griddy and i love it
Amazing video, never stop making these type of videos. they always brighten my day!
That one meme did you dirty dude , 💀
The damn incinerator!!😢😢😢 no words. Just emotion. Gets me every damn time.
I can sympathize with Lotso's backstory greatly. When i was a kid, I had a stuffed dog who was my absolute favorite. Unfortunately, he was taken from me by another kid at the park. I was crushed for a long time. I one day got a "replacement" of that same stuffed dog, but he wasn't the same. He wasn't the one I had played with and formed those memories with. A replacement could never take the place of my beloved Comet.
2:21 Love how Lotso suddenly looks Angry at the Rabbit.
Finally! I've been waiting so long for you to upload another Toy Story video and now here it is! ❤️
What I got from this video, was that the main point of these movies (even the fourth one) is that we shouldn't look at what we can get out of people or even possessions, but we should be concerned about what we can give in to them (especially people).
That's a bit too simplistic: all relationships are give and take; that's unavoidable but not necessarily even a bad thing.
The issue arises when it swings too much in one direction.
Having a bad day and talking it through with someone? That's fine but when that's all it is with them, don't blame them for getting sick of it and saying their farewells.
Try chatting up a cute girl you saw across a bar? Go over, bounce off of her. She's playing along? Cool. Try your luck; you might get a phone number or even lucky. Don't expect her to hand out that number or put out; she doesn't owe you anything.
(Furthermore, if you get lucky, don't demand her to play to your whims; communicate & reciprocate. This latter point is just some of the best advice for life you could ever get, frankly.)
On the other hand, being the only reason - the only fuckin' one making an effort - that there's still even a relationship in the face of blatant indifference/complacency? Just some loose purse strings? Just some company to kill time? Fuck 'em! Even as someone who struggles to see value (as per depression & being generally content in face of "apparent meaninglessness,") such a soul is not worth the drain upon yourself.
Suffering is simply that: suffering. It hurts; it only hurts; it will always hurt.
It doesn't teach you anything; people misattribute it as a lesson when really, they just haven't realised that they were already over half-way there to being a decent person.
One thing I really respect the movie doing is that they gave Lotso a sympathetic backstory, but they don't give him a redemption arc, instead he doubles down on his cruel and evil behavior even when the other toys saved his life
They could've easily have that be the moment where he has a change of heart, but sometimes even when you show kindness to someone, some people just don't want to change their ways, and sometimes those people take advantage of other peoples kindness for their own selfish gain
In a time when were getting a lot more redemption arcs for villains, I really respect that Toy Story 3 had the guts to give the message that some people don't deserve a second chance, even if you sympathise with their past
Lotso is definitely one of Pixar’s darkest villains, I agree with this.
When I was younger I hated Lotso the most out of any other Disney/Pixar movie villain ever. He really got on my nerves which is surprising because usually I like the bad guys even a little bit and I can somehow also root for them. I think that just shows how well made villain Lotso is, since you can't like him even if you tried. However, the most aggrivating thing about him was always the fact that he didn't get to know what happened to Woodie and the others. He probably thought they died and he won. Which I always found so annoying as a child. I imagined that even if Lotso lived the rest if his life in despair, stuck on the mask of the car, he still found joy in thinking that he ultimately won. Even though that was not the case. Ever since I was young that has always bothered me. Maybe I'm just petty. Sorry for my bad English btw
To be fair, it's not like he's in a good place either way. More so a fool.
Also your English is really good.
To be fair, it doesn't really matter what he thought. In the end, Woody and Co just said he wasn't worth it and moved on. He's in no good position to gloat about his supposed victory, being stuck to the frill of a trash truck and all.
Perhaps he could have seen them as the truck drove past in order to show this, if the filmmakers wanted to. But overall, it's a satisfying end to a pretty vile villain.
I don't think he thought he won at all
i hated lotso with every fiber of my being for YEARS because he was my first experience with the trope of a false ally. it STUNG
Someone took a screenshot of this video and posted it alongside SpongeBob on the baby rides at glove world. I can’t stop laughing 😂
@@dakingofbrickz man of culture
The meme is funny on a surface level, but I think whoever made it missed the entire point of my video.
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Always thought of Lotso as Dutch from Red Dead.
"Our time has passed, Woody"
as a barbie doll fan there was one part that really bothered me about ken was why was he the only doll in that dream house? couldn't the day care workers not given more barbie dolls? did he replace them secretly if the other dolls got out of line? did he take barbie because he knew it would merit him having more little girls play with him if he had a barbie partner? i hope you dive into that...
The ironic twist is this when I see lotso I can sometimes also see a dark twisted version of Jesse if she went in a different way I am so happy she didn't but I just realized the more and more I watched toy story 3 the more and more I realized Jesse could have ended up just like lotso if given the right circumstances