my alternative to the r*pe scene: simon gets caught up in the moment and doesn't pull out, he is frantic and upset. daphne is confused. she goes to ask rose how babies are made and their conflict begins. so simple. they really didn't have to include that scene, it really ruined daphne's character for me
@@pitpat2928 i agree. i think the storyline itself doesn't leave a lot of room for honest sexual conduct but the show writers really dropped the ball with their rendition
@Charisma Girl Who cares that the story is set in the historical past? We are viewing it in the PRESENT, why not uphold our morality to the things we watch. The creators of Bridgerton took the liberty to include different races in their royal figures, which was extremely well-received and a lot of the show's draw. So why not extend the modernity they were willing uphold to the sexual conduct of their characters as well? You wrote all that to excuse outdated r*pey ass ideas of sex. We can appreciate the aesthetics and dramatics of the Regency era without triggering watchers with scenes like that. Also, being a sexual "aggressor" is still being a r*pist, let's not jump through hoops here.
@Charisma Girl that was a lot of words to say you don’t realize outdated ideas of consent and relationships still affect the present. this isnt a piece of literature from the 1800s a modern woman wrote and adapted this and the situation isnt even farfetched! plenty of women still (as in these present times) enter relationships and marriages with little to no sexual experience or education bc of religion and purity culture. stop acting like rape is a thing of the past
or they should keep the rape scene and have simon struggle with his emotions towards what happened and clearly show that theres a double standard when it comes to rape especially at that time period have simon struggle at speaking out because most people dont view men as being able to be raped
I genuinely hope if we do get Sophie in the show, they have the line “Wow Sophie, you speak really well for a poor little rat girl” as she’s nibbling on fancy cheeses.
Enemies to Lovers is when 2 people have different goals. The other person is in the way of achieving those different goals. Rivals to Lovers have the same goal, and the other person is in the way.
@@rachelstephenson1504 basically enemies to lovers is a hero dating a villain and rivals to lovers is two people fighting over getting a promotion falling in love
Yes! Give Eloise her own Lady Danbury style ending where she is free of her awful husband and is free as a wealthy widow. She could even have romance later with a man or a woman.
Am I the only one that thinks that there was like 0 need for the rape scene because they could have made Daphne pregnant (Because you know pulling out isn't an effective contraception), Daphne then confronting Simon, he admits he lied to her which makes her mad. Her being mad and him having to apologize would make way more sense in that version and you could have just as good of an ending with them coming together and saying they love each other and want to raise this child together and making up that way
that's literally what they should have done idk why the directors put in such an unecessary scene. it kinda ruined the rest of the show for me (when i loved the first 5ish episodes)
I completely disagree: I don't agree with the idea that SA scenes or motives should be eliminated from books or even have some special treatment. I see how this series has been heavily, heavily chritizised for including one such scene but frankly it is through those scenes that we get to feel disgust, to condemn, to loathe a character and their actions. To fully feel the extent within ourselves of how very difficult it is to get through even a reading of this, and how disgusting it is to see it through the eyes of the perpetrator. Nevertheless erasing these scenes in fictional media, or specially written fictional texts, erases our capability to have a story that deals with such themes and that allows us to explore them, as disgusting and horrifying as they might be. By reducing SA to a plot device we don't get to explore in our art and in our media the trauma and reprecaussions that such an experience can bring upon anybody. Although I suspect the books missed the mark, exploring Simon's trauma and the trauma of having children be born from one of the worst experiences of your life would be very interesting to dissect and to explore. We need art be able to represent, explain, dissect, argument, present human experiences. Not because a negative experience is portrayed should the work be condemned. (Edited to fix typo, I'm not native).
Brandy’s Cinderella gave a literal blue print in how to colorblind cast and NO ONE IS TAKING THE HINT😭 They also tricked us in the trailer by putting that one Asian person in it 🙄 Race-baiting at its finest
@@tosinakin2508 the crazy thing is Shondaland *has* done the Brandy Cinderella version of Colourblind Casting and did it so well! Still Star Crossed had totally colourblind casting and the cast was absolutely fire and it was super campy and dramatic and interesting and it got cancelled after one season and it was a total injustice. And when I saw they were doing diverse casting in Bridgerton I was like "oh okay they're doing the same thing as SSC awesome" but then the "love magically insta!cured racism" plotline got dropped and it was very confusing. Took me a couple of minutes to get back into the swing of the episode. Especially since the *only* conversations had about race are isolated to Simon's dad's obsession with being good enough. Literally no one else brings it up except in that context. Which basically makes it look like racism only exists in Simon's dad's head??? Which is certainly not where they wanted to end up I think but it's where we got to.
I remember an interview that actress who played Penelope did a few years ago of her saying she wouldn't lose weight to play a character. So I'm hopeful that's a clear sign that the character Penelope won't lose weight by her season, and instead just gain a confidence boost from being able to wear more flattering colors.
Since we're closer to the release of Polin's season, I'll share what I think about everything to do with Penelope's glow up because there are people who think Nicola lost weight for her season and I don't agree with that. Her hair, makeup and outfit are way more flattering for her. Her hair is more flowy and romantic compared to her original hairstyles. Her makeup is less powdery and more glowy. Her skin looks so beautiful and fresh. Her outfits are the main thing that makes sense to why she's so different. Her S1 and S2 looks are frumpy and stifling looking and isn't flattering. It's very huddled and hobbled on her. Her boobs are out more and the fabric is thinner and fits her body better than her original dresses. The colour is also so beautiful on her, compared to the yellow that she wore.
To add on, I think people just assume just cause she is working out she is working out to lose weight and not just maintain a more active lifestyle? Like the fatphobia amongst some people is appalling@@pettybee3860
REALLY loving how her ‘makeover’ was done. It wasn’t a giant change, just subtle enough to bring out all the positive qualities that her mothers misguided attempts had hidden
Maybe it's just me but I am so tired of curvy women being portrayed as social outcast like Penelope why couldn't another curvy actress play a diamond 💎 of the season adored in her society with a strong love interest like Daphne or Edwina. In addition have a dark skin black women that's a lead and isn't made to suffer like Marina or an older woman like Lady D.
I hope they change Eloise’s love interest (or not give her one at all) cause it would totally ruin her development. She’s so smart it’s delusional to think she’d settle for a misogynistic and self-absorbed man.
Yeah, I hope so too. She literally spends most of her time complaining about how she wants more out of life and how she wants to be free like Lady Whistledown. Yet she instead just travels to meet a man she’s never met before to settle down and become a mother. Like, isn’t that what she’s been protesting about the whole time? I think it would have been great for her to become independent and lead her own life. It would also have been a great way to show how the Bridgerton family would grow as they learn to accept that that’s what she wanted.
When they introduced the gay painter in the show I was convinced that they were going to do a Dorian Gray-esque storyline for Benedict. But alas, everything is just hyper straight
I Honestly thought the same when they introduced Mr Granville and him comforting and telling Art is all about perception and making feeling confident about his art. Then taking him to his hideaway but only make his secret keeper. Wasted potential
Something that sorta bothered me about THAT scene and how the fans responded was the way they excused it bc she’s not knowledgeable about sex. Just because r*pe doesn’t have a name to you does not make it not r*pe. She was still aware she was doing something he didn’t want her to do to his body. That is not ok whether you know it’s called r*pe or not.
Haven’t watched the show, but I read a bunch of Reddit threads discussing the scene and I was shocked at the bunch of comments going “He could’ve just pushed her off” Jesus Christ
I asked my Mum, a Bridgerton fan, about that rape scene, and got the horrifying answer of "it couldn't have been rape because men can't get raped there wouldn't be anything going on down there if they weren't into it". What the hell Mum. It was really out of left field as well she isn't usually a bad person I swear.
In the show I'm not really sure if I'd call it rape but rather betrayal, to be honest. It's not sex against his will (quite the opposite). Though she suspects by then, he never told her that he doesn't want to spend himself inside her and apart from the last time before the scene in question she doesn't even realise that what he's doing is unusual. And he knows she doesn't know it. Still it clearly is a betrayal on her part (especially because of her suspicion) and it is most definitivly wrong, but the story leading up to it with his prior betrayal explains it a little. Also: to call two seconds of him realising she won't let him pull out (all the while never telling her that that's his intention) rape, kind of diminishes actual rape victims. How they resolve it is another matter altogether. She makes it all about her and eventually forgives him - she should realise what she's done and ask his forgiveness instead. I haven't read the book but having sex with an inebriated, unconscious partner definitely is rape, so they could have (should have) changed that scene in the show completely or at least acknowledged her fault in the fallout.
@@miralyse.3846 naw baby that’s rape. This man said “daphne stop” at LEAST twice and she kept going. If a man was on top of a woman and she said stop, but he physically kept her from moving away, all in an effort to force her to give him a baby, everyone would be screeching. Daphne raped him period. And I’m saying this as someone who loved Bridgerton
GOD THANK YOU I'm a P&P stan myself and whenever people compare it to Bridgerton I'm like "the plots have FUCK ALL in common, get out of here." Not every love-hate relationship is Lizzy and Darcy! Not every Regency story is Jane Austen! GAH!
I do find it ironic that the "Sanditon" PBS/BBC series- which was based on the half a chapter or whatever that Austen finished and then the writers made up the rest, didn't get picked up for a Season 2 because "people just couldn't handle seeing characters having sex in the Regency" and then two years later BOOM Bridgerton. I'd be mad if I were Sanditon folks.
@@mariem24601 It's not that people can't handle characters having sex during the Regency period (hello Willoughby, Wickham and Henry Crawford) - it's that the "Sanditon" series did not honour Jane Austen's legacy at all. The plot, characters, tone were contrary to anything Jane Austen had ever written.
As a Jane Austen fan, I'm totally with you. People have been talking about Bridgerton as if it's this magical world that brings them into an Austen's novel, but watching it just made me... mad. Like, most important plot points are forced and out of nowhere from episode 1, not to even mention all the problematic bullshit... It's sort of entertaining, but not like anything from Austen. The only good outcome is that the show made me miss P&P and go re-read it for the millionth time to enjoy a true good regency romance.
honestly maybe I'm just That Bitch but I would love to see Penelope have a requited romance with someone other than Colin or Colin/Penelope gets triggered by jealousy. Maybe some handsome wealthy guy starts courting Penelope in her next season and Pen realises she doesn't have to tie her self-worth to her childhood crush. Like the attention of another man makes her see herself in a new light and Colin either misses his opportunity (or nearly misses his opportunity) with her when she ceases to pine for him. Also I am begging the show runners not to do that to Eloise oh my god/ Great video, thank youu for your sacrifice
YES! and when reading the books I really wanted to see Penelope reject Colin. Like why would I want you after all these years of you treating me bad, and why should I trust you like me now. Like make him sweat for it.
I really hate when show runners and fans say a show is diverse when it is only white and black people like others don’t exist, it’s not diverse if 2 races are showed
apparently we have unlocked race number 3 for season 2: South East Asians! Which makes me wonder if the show is gonna magically be full of them next season when we saw none this season? Are we gonna creepily switch out the race of minor characters and extras to match that of the love interest every season?
id actually like to see that!! the showrunners are clearly allowed to deviate from the books so its not like philip being written out of the universe is unable to happen
So...this guy has to marry this lady because he was seen sucking on her neck but it was only to get the bee venom out which he was very worried about because his father died of a bee sting...and...so...they...what??????
The scene is hysterical. Because once they are caught (by their moms) he's actually pretty happy with the situation and she is just like "No no no it was a bee! No one can force us to get married because of a bee! This is insane!"
Yeah, he’s just like, “We’ll get married in a week,” or whatever. He later says he fell in love with her during the Pall Mall game but wouldn’t admit it to himself, so this was a lucky break for him, really.
Late to the party but I wanted to say that "My Sister's Suitor" would have been an EXCELLENT title instead of the terribly mediocre 'The Viscount who Loved Me"
I personally think 'My sister's suitor' sounds much more mediocre. Like it just sounds too bland. I like the original title, i think it's anything but mediocre. But meh, we all have our opinions.
It wouldn't have made sense because in the books he doesn't actually have a relationship with Edwina. She's not an integral character at all. It was mostly about him and Kate. The show changes that but the book is different
On the r*pe scene, I also think that it could have had the same impact if she thought she was pregnant without that *moment*. Pulling out isn’t a foolproof method, he could still have the turmoil about almost being a father, and we’d have the same conflict without the female protagonist violating her husband. Also, just a quick note, the “Charlotte Mecklenburg-Strelitz was mixed” thing is very contentious, mostly because if she did have non-white ancestry (which is not for certain but definitely possible) it came from one ancestor about 500 years prior. I also have serious confusion over the timeline in how one marriage to a WOC 30 years prior in the royal family brings about the Duke’s apparent 8 generations long lineage. Honestly I love the idea of having it be somewhat defined historically, it just probably could have been the same if they’d set the turning point like 100 years back. But I love the show’s Queen Charlotte regardless.
I think the generations is explained by lady Danbury saying our society’s have lived alongside each other implying there was an established black society
Even while I was watching the series I was confused as to why the series was acting as him pulling during the act meant he would never get Daphne pregnant, when pulling out is infamously not a fool proof method. They could have had it that they countimued to have realtions, Daphne appears to become pregnant and this terribly upsets Simon, which confuses her becuase from her perspective she just thouhgt they were having normal relations. And then she is made aware as to the nature of sexual relations and why he was pulling out. They could have side stepped that unpleasant plot point easily
@@aberdeen0107 That’s probably what they were going for, but I wish they’d been clearly about it, since the Queen was specified as a turning point. Idk I don’t think they really nailed that part of the world building down
Oh, imagine the conflict. Would be so much more dramatic, believable and intriguing. Daphne getting pregnant, Simon accusing her of cheating since he "pulled out", her not knowing what that means and being shocked when he explains...
RIGHT? I mean, she not only READ nine effing mediocre books in one week, but also *made a spreadsheet* about how they were organized... I mean, just the maths of that and the sheer amount of dedication made me subscribe immediately. That's my kind of person.
"I downloaded all the audiobooks and listened to them at double playback speed for 7 days straight while I painted this gem-portrait of my dog" is the most I've ever felt represented by a youtube video. Or maybe ever.
They reaaalllly didnt need to have that scene. Because, news flash, pulling out is not a reliable way of contraception!!! AT ALL!!! Imagine how much better it would be if she managed to get pregnant Anyway and was like!! Simon this is amiracle you are not entierly infertile! And hes just OH SHIT And it wouldve been realistic and shown a lot of people watching it a valuable lesson about conception, yeah precum also has spermatozoids in it, you really should take that into account, it really isnt a reliable method, especially when theyre going at it like rabbits ... mostly im just pissed because I know this and that simon isnt inferitle and was waiting for the comedic potential of daphne actually getting pregnant anyway but instead got shown a violation of consent
In my humble opinion they should basically just make sir Phillip a completely different character ahaha. To fix sir Phillip they should really take your advice and turn him into a Jake peralta type (but also still a botanist cos I think it would be so cute if he was like obsessed with plants). Maybe he helps marina get somewhere else to a happier life and maybe he takes in her child as a ward (willingly) AND HES NOT ABUSIVE to his kids. Basically I really want him to be a himbo heheh
my ideal scenario would be that he (completely different from his book version) and Marina actually fall in love and Eloise gets to be gay or ace instead cause I just don't see her with a man.
@@RealGermanish yes that would do interesting. I would love to see him and marinas romance developed and him being a father to her kid and stuff that would be so cute. Also Eloise being gay/ace would be good, especially for a show that's diverse
Coming back after season 2 and seeing that they fixed all the contrivances of The Viscount Who Loved Me and did VERY MUCH let that rivalry simmer makes me so happy. I also only remembered halfway through the show that instead of Kate calming Anthony down from his panic that in the book he was SUCKING ON HER THROAT.
43:18 So I gotta say, I've been watching S02, and when they introduced "the apprentice, Mr. Theo Sharpe," I expected him to for-sure be Eloise's love interest...And based on this video, I'm genuinely thinking that would be a better idea. It's bad enough Marina is getting such a raw deal, but...Um, ew, I don't want Eloise to end up with PHILIP CRANE, of all people! What a terrible idea...!
i’ve read her book and she mentioned losing about 2 stone (which i’m not really sure how much that is), but immediately after she mentioned that she’s still not exactly skinny either. so for pretty much the whole book i just pictured her the same because i wasn’t sure how much weight she was supposed to have lost. also her losing weight didn’t seem to have any affect on how people perceived her, it wasn’t like some glamorous makeover montage.
@@hazel-anne1520 it does! so she lost about 28 pounds, and that’s definitely a significant amount but i’m not sure it’s ever specified how much she really weighs during her book. i’d like to think she was still chunky since she mentioned she still wasn’t “skinny” or something along those lines
I just love how it took AGES for Anthony to even call Kate by her name, a million years for him to proclaim his love for her and Benedict is head over heels for Sophie, kisses her (does a bit more than kiss) and if she hadn't ran away he totally would've proprosed, all of this the first time he met her.
Male leads are always either “ I’m gonna Neg you till you think you love me!” Or “ I’m actually a genuinely a sweet guy but this book isn’t available at your library sorry hun...”
“I’ve never wanted to punch a fictional character more in my life and I’ve read after” GIRL, lmao had me cracking up the whole video, you are spot on this entire video
If you’re interested in a good Cinderella retelling in book form, I highly recommend Cinder by Marissa Meyer. The series is all fairytale retelling with sci-fi twists and the romances are adorable. Also thanks for friending me back on Goodreads!!
The Lunar Chronicles series is some of the best YA fiction series since Harry Potter. Better than The Hunger Games. And obviously better than Twilight. But sadly not as obsessed by media like Twilight. Tho it deserves it.
I can confidently say I hate Sir Phillip and I do hope that the show either: a) Makes Eloise a lesbian or b) Give her a himbo husband who respects women
I really hated the theo line. Eloise just went goo goo eyed for the first bloke she came across when she'd only just started to get fully engaged in the early feminist underworld and reading alternative press. Instead of her breaking ties with the convention that she hates she goes running off to meet a newspaper boy. It was so disappointing.
They’re so many things they could’ve done besides the rape scene. Have Daphne experience phantom pregnancy unknowingly which breaks down Simon’s lie about being infertile. Have her actually get prgnant because they had no real proper contraception. There are so many things they could’ve done. They also could’ve just adopted so there wouldnt be the whole passing down bloodline dilemma/stigmatizing of those who didn’t want children. But i digress
Adoption was not a thing back then. Not in the full legal sense that it is today. People would take in the children of relatives, but never strangers. And for Simon, being a Duke…that estate is tied up inextricably in primogeniture. He can’t pass on his name or title to anyone who isn’t blood
@@83croissant I mean not being able to pass on his title/name/blood is kinda what he wanted. But they could’ve have taken on a ward and raised them like a child. Considering the other antics they pull in bridgerton i don’t think that’s too far fetched
This is a perfect video except that NO ONE has discussed l that On the Way to the Wedding came out in 2006 and has a character named Hermione Watson, an obvious call to Hermione Granger played by Emma Watson and somewhat weird. That is all, thank you for this perfect video.
I actually read a lot of historical romance, particularly Christian, but I do get into the more "erotic" romance historical fiction every now and then, and yeah. It is pretty formulaic. Almost all of the men have daddy issues. Like ESPECIALLY the ones from the Regency era, but it is so hard to read the books sometimes when ALL OF THE LEADS can't/won't have children or can't/won't care for children because of their D A D S, and all the female leads have to "fix" them. The female leads are also almost always painfully "innocent," but like not even just in the Christian ones, but all the normal, "erotic" ones too. There are a few gems out there, like one where the male lead did have daddy issues, but the female lead was blind, which was a source of internal conflict for her, but not because she wished she was "normal."
Also you are absolutely right. Books written in the 1800s are completely different than historical romances set in the 1800s. Our modern romances are VERY formulaic, and there is nothing wrong with that. It is very satisfying and easy to read these kinds of books. But the books written in the 1800s that we consume now, like books by Jane Austen or the Bronte sisters, are more like the modern classics like To Kill a Mockingbird or The Joy Luck Club or even books by Isabel Allende. Like Jane Austen's books may be romances, but they are also books that offer social critique and an analyzation of society at the time, and were written before there was even a formula for romance books.
Chiming in to agree that some of Julia's complaints are just literally Romance genre rules/tropes, while others are problems more prevalent in '00s era romance that some more modern historical Romance does better. Re: crushing heteronormativity try Cat Sebastian Re: if they're going to talk like modern men why are they misogynyst try Tessa Dare Re: no lives outside of romance, it's a different era but try Courtney Milan And I'm not as familiar with diversity in Hist. Rom. set in England but Beverley Jenkins and Alyssa Cole have some great Black Romance set in the American South and the American West. But yeah, kiss or first love scene ~50%, something tearing then apart between 70&80%, but reconciliation and a happy ending by 90%? That's genre conventions. (Pop Culture Happy Hour just did an intro to genre Romance episode that mentions this.)
11:11 Jane Austen was neither Historical nor Romance. As she was writing in her own time period, about her own time period. That’s contemporary fiction. “Romantic Literature” existed at the time but would not be what we today would classify as ‘romance novels’…and Jane Austen did not write like the Romantics nor did she write books primarily focused on romance. She wrote comedies of manners, social satires…that end in a good match for the female protagonist. It’s how a young female protagonist reaches self-actualization in the 1800s. If writing today, I don’t know if Jane Austen would depend on the marriage plot if she didn’t have to
I started reading the novels and I have yet to finish, but seriously congratulations to Netflix for doing better than the book for once in their long line of acts against humanity.
Okay but Benedict literally told Sophie she was coming to London with him or he was going to lie about her stealing from him and get her arrested and then remanded to his custody! The final jailhouse scene where Ma Bridgerton saves the Day was pretty epic but oh my gosh I really hated Benedict from that moment on
For me it was earlier than that, when he never thought to ask Sophie about how she felt after almost being brutally assaulted. Him being forceful with her after that was really weird, because you'd think someone who sees a person experience what Sophie did would be careful and gentle with her. Not our boy Benedict though. Dudes a shithead in the book IMO
I feel like with the amount of thought you've put into the ways to fix certain aspects of later books you should just tweet the show runner with this video with something like "hire me please."
Another problem that I had with the books is that the Male leads are always irritating and "bad boyish" towards the female leads. Literally each book consists only of the conversations where the man is picking on the woman and the woman is super irritated with him. At least for a few of them. I havent read them all but I'm getting there.
I especially hate when the author’s idea of a “bad boy” is just a misogynist with rage issues. Like why is that attractive to anyone even if he has a “dark past” that doesn’t make his present behavior ok or make the female love interest a licensed therapist who can “help him heal”🙄🙄🙄
I don’t go here so everything I know about Bridgerton I picked up from historical fashion youtubers, so I could be reading wrong, but my impression of the “forced to wear yellow” thing is that the problem was less the “yellow” and more the “forced”. It can be the prettiest color in the world, if it’s the only thing you’re allowed, it’s going to chafe. (Think of the hatred many young afab people develop for the color pink, a perfectly lovely and charming color in its own right. Same basic principle.)
I think it was sort of a joke. Penelope isn't classically beautiful and is forced to wear clothes with shapes and colors that aren't flattering which worsens her already low self-confidence. And she lives in a shallow society, where women's worth IS judged by their appearance (and their dowry). But mostly, she is emotionally abused by her mother and older sisters. She is also bullied by local Alpha-bitch Cressida. In the book she at least has the support of her younger sister, Felicity, her best friend Eloise, and the Bridgerton clan. In the show the emotional abuse from her mother and sisters is worse, Felicity doesn't exist and Eloise is well-meaning but she is too self-centered and judgmental and isn't exactly the best of friends. So yeah...
marina seemed to have been depressed since the news of her first love dying and having to be forced to marry his younger brother. then after giving birth, she most probably had postpartum depression and obviously she didnt get help for it nor did she have a good support system. that explains one thing or two.
@@laysouza8620 not really abused but ignored. Book version Marina was too negative. To the point that she ignores her twins and Philip has decided she wasn't healthy for the twins. (Philip also self aware that he isn't good for the twins too because of daddy issues) Philip tried to help Marina in the first years of their marriage but she was "melancholic" as he described in the books. Tv show Marina is different though. She seems content at least,which book Marina didn't have. I wonder how will they play out her suicide on the show or of she will stay alive after all.
I've heard so many arguments that the r*pe/noncon scene was essential to the plot and it makes me sick. Like there are so many other ways you could arrive at that specific conflict. Pulling out isn't a 100% effective method. Daphne could have gotten pregnant anyway. And even if it was absolutely necessary to have that scene (which it isn't) then daphne should have been accountable for her actions. Simon and Daphne should have divorced. There should have been consequences. Instead she ended up gaslighting him into staying with her and he just let go of his daddy issues in half an episode like HELLO????????????? Honestly my disappointment was immeasurable.
How is it essential to the plot when there are no consequences whatsoever? Their fights meant nothing because they just came out on the other side the same as before they went in. No anger from Simon or guilt from Daphne....They even had a baby Simon was, I guess, happy about in the last minute.....No other relationships were affected or anything....What lmao.
I thought it was a thing for writers where, if you can use anything other than rape, you probably shouldn't use rape? Does that seriously only apply to media featuring women being raped?
oh boy, how i want to know your thoughts on the 2nd season. i enjoyed it more than the first one even though it was a bit messy (but that what i think bridgeton is lol) i loved kate’s character
Why is Penelope being made to wear yellow such an issue? Does she just hate yellow? I mean yellow was a very fashionable color during that era so I don’t know why that would make her unpopular. Like I know it’s probably because her mother is controlling her but why?? Yellow???
apparently it clashes with her complexion or smth. which, yeah to be fair clothes colour vs skin complexion can be an issue but even i don't think it should be _that_ bad and penelope is me favourite bridgerton lead, lol.
My thought was maybe it was considered a...babyish color? Like her mother made her wear a childish color past childhood, or ONLY wearing a single color past childhood. Like everyone could tell her mother was dressing her cause she ONLY EVER wore yellow
It's also very shouty and kind of campy in comparison to the other ladies wearing lots of pastel blue and pink and whites so it's meant to set the featheringtons apart as kind of trashy
When first watching Bridgerton, my roommate and I were pleasantly surprised that Anthony actually found out about Daphne nearly being assaulted. Like, we were bracing ourselves for that to only be revealed in the last episode or something and to be mad about it the whole time.
I just want to throw out there that the overwhelming historical consensus is that Queen Charlotte was NOT mixed. The theory that she was mixed comes from one historian in the 20th century and even people who support his work think that this particular theory was a stretch.
I am SO glad someone else hates the Eloise book. I had heard people call it the best one and I was so excited to read it. I love a marriage of convenience story! But then it was so dull and terrible and how do two characters in a book have no chemistry?? Sir Phillip was sooo dull and I was waiting for sensitive depths beneath his sullen exterior but... no? Also his kids were little monsters. Also also maybe I shouldn’t have read it so soon after I read The Turn of the Screw.
So if you want to get into period romance, read some Courtney Milan. I haven't read enough to say whether she or Julia Quinn are more representative of this massive genre, but at the very least, Milan's books are better. I just finished the Brothers Sinister series (they're not cruel or anything, they're just left-handed), and it has all the delicious genre staples like banter and chemistry and happily ever afters, but it's also got believable pragmatic discussions about class divide difficulties, and men who aren't rakes, and happy lesbian couples, and two virgins who AREN'T magically great at sex but who have a good time anyway because the lady takes it upon herself to explain what the clitoris is and why it's important.
I started reading the Brothers Sinister series while I was watches the show and was disappointed they didn't make that series into a show instead. The characters/plot are waaaaay more interesting.
@@mariamonicadelgado8925 XD That's fair! I'm very wary of romance novels with crappy love interests (since, y'know, there's a lot of those) so I felt the need to clarify that this is not that. Not that they're flawless, almost everyone, regardless of gender, makes at least a couple big mistakes, but they're believable mistakes and then they learn and grow and apologize and all that good stuff.
@@CatHasOpinions734 their would be no worry about being period appropriate because they could be fabulously obscene and over the top and that's the whole point!
When you brought up the pictures of the books I realized that my mom has collected all of them. I’ve only read one (I wasn’t allowed to read them so I had sneak it off her bookshelf) and I now realize why Lady Whistledown was so familiar to me Edit: told my mom and she literally screamed. Apparently this is her favorite series and now is going to watch the show
I think there should be a new Emmy category - best adaption of a horrible book and the writers of Season 2 of Bridgerton should definitely win that one.
So, first off, I’ve never seen any of your videos before but I think you’re doing great. Intelligent talking points, well spoken, nicely edited…but secondly, your hair is GORGEOUS, oh my goodness I’m fixated! It’s so soft and shiny! The color is so multidimensional!
I absolutely love Leigh bardugo and I'm such a big fan... lately I tried to get past my addiction over soc and ck but suddenly this book pops up out of nowhere again and reminds me of the crow's again AND getting war flash backs because of Matthias.
I'll be your friend! I did, actually, talked about pride and prejudice to my best friend for more than one hour and she doesn't even read or watch romance/drama films. I bored her to death.😂
Ok but why did I also have the same exact experience of getting halfway through season one, remembering Merphy Napier’s rant, and frantically looking up if Bridgerton was an adaptation while my stomach filled with dread?
Here after watching season 2 and I am SO glad the show went a different direction than the book! I wonder if they’ll switch the order of the seasons since we got the “I’d never marry Pen” scene at the end of season 2? Gosh, I hope they steer away from the weight loss angle. Actually, I hope they change up a lot.
yeah they are switching up the order- Pen and Colin are the main focus of season 3, and since Benedict and Sophie’s romance has a timeskip, I think it’ll be spread out a bit over 3 and 4 a
1:08 I thought I was just gonna not understand what you were talking about but then right at that moment, the planets aligned and my world was shattered. I’m just sitting in a state of shock rn
At the beginning I was like: "Woah, almost an hour? I don't know about that.." but then the hour FLEW by. You are quick, to the point and funny. Thank you for saving me the time (and frankly, the annoyance) of having to read these books myself. :)
As a longtime guilty historical romance reader, you are complaining about tropes of the genre but I feel like actually readers deserve better from the genre as a whole. Particularly given how many of those tropes are just fully misogynistic and unhealthy.
"i dont even have a period, my virtue fought it off" THE WAY I CHOKED ON MY RICE
Same
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my alternative to the r*pe scene: simon gets caught up in the moment and doesn't pull out, he is frantic and upset. daphne is confused. she goes to ask rose how babies are made and their conflict begins. so simple. they really didn't have to include that scene, it really ruined daphne's character for me
still murky but it could’ve spurred a much needed conversation abt informed consent
@@pitpat2928 i agree. i think the storyline itself doesn't leave a lot of room for honest sexual conduct but the show writers really dropped the ball with their rendition
@Charisma Girl Who cares that the story is set in the historical past? We are viewing it in the PRESENT, why not uphold our morality to the things we watch. The creators of Bridgerton took the liberty to include different races in their royal figures, which was extremely well-received and a lot of the show's draw. So why not extend the modernity they were willing uphold to the sexual conduct of their characters as well?
You wrote all that to excuse outdated r*pey ass ideas of sex. We can appreciate the aesthetics and dramatics of the Regency era without triggering watchers with scenes like that.
Also, being a sexual "aggressor" is still being a r*pist, let's not jump through hoops here.
@Charisma Girl that was a lot of words to say you don’t realize outdated ideas of consent and relationships still affect the present. this isnt a piece of literature from the 1800s a modern woman wrote and adapted this and the situation isnt even farfetched! plenty of women still (as in these present times) enter relationships and marriages with little to no sexual experience or education bc of religion and purity culture. stop acting like rape is a thing of the past
or they should keep the rape scene and have simon struggle with his emotions towards what happened and clearly show that theres a double standard when it comes to rape especially at that time period
have simon struggle at speaking out because most people dont view men as being able to be raped
I genuinely hope if we do get Sophie in the show, they have the line “Wow Sophie, you speak really well for a poor little rat girl” as she’s nibbling on fancy cheeses.
I want lily James to play her
I choose to acknowledge the difference between enemies-to-lovers and rivals-to-lovers.
Same here!
Can you tell me what’s the difference? I’m kind of confused
Enemies to Lovers is when 2 people have different goals. The other person is in the way of achieving those different goals. Rivals to Lovers have the same goal, and the other person is in the way.
@@mikakestudios5891 ohhhhhh ok! Thanks lol.
@@rachelstephenson1504 basically enemies to lovers is a hero dating a villain and rivals to lovers is two people fighting over getting a promotion falling in love
i think the best way netflix could adapt book 4 is to keep almost everything the same except eloise k!lls philip at the end
I looked down at my screen after not paying attention to the comments and thought there was a bug on my screen.
Yes! Give Eloise her own Lady Danbury style ending where she is free of her awful husband and is free as a wealthy widow. She could even have romance later with a man or a woman.
YES Philip is absolutely horrendous
how is no one talking about how julia looks like a literal *goddess*
i was just about to comment on this. her hair is gorgeousssss, omg. and she just overall always looks so beautiful
She's beautiful yes but not a goddess lol. She's just freshly bathed is all.
@@RedRoseSeptember22 who peed in your Cheerios this morning?
@@RedRoseSeptember22 NO SHE IS LOOKING LIKE APHRODITE AND ATHENA SHUSH
I totally agree
Am I the only one that thinks that there was like 0 need for the rape scene because they could have made Daphne pregnant (Because you know pulling out isn't an effective contraception), Daphne then confronting Simon, he admits he lied to her which makes her mad. Her being mad and him having to apologize would make way more sense in that version and you could have just as good of an ending with them coming together and saying they love each other and want to raise this child together and making up that way
Oml yes this would have been so much better. Like there was no need for that scene, this would’ve been so much better
Right? And have him get all huffy and mad and be like that's impossible!
that's literally what they should have done
idk why the directors put in such an unecessary scene. it kinda ruined the rest of the show for me (when i loved the first 5ish episodes)
I agree that would have been better and would have created more interest and drama in the show. Oh well.
I completely disagree: I don't agree with the idea that SA scenes or motives should be eliminated from books or even have some special treatment. I see how this series has been heavily, heavily chritizised for including one such scene but frankly it is through those scenes that we get to feel disgust, to condemn, to loathe a character and their actions. To fully feel the extent within ourselves of how very difficult it is to get through even a reading of this, and how disgusting it is to see it through the eyes of the perpetrator. Nevertheless erasing these scenes in fictional media, or specially written fictional texts, erases our capability to have a story that deals with such themes and that allows us to explore them, as disgusting and horrifying as they might be. By reducing SA to a plot device we don't get to explore in our art and in our media the trauma and reprecaussions that such an experience can bring upon anybody. Although I suspect the books missed the mark, exploring Simon's trauma and the trauma of having children be born from one of the worst experiences of your life would be very interesting to dissect and to explore. We need art be able to represent, explain, dissect, argument, present human experiences. Not because a negative experience is portrayed should the work be condemned. (Edited to fix typo, I'm not native).
"Colourblind casting" that somehow only had like one Asian and one middle eastern person.
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Brandy’s Cinderella gave a literal blue print in how to colorblind cast and NO ONE IS TAKING THE HINT😭 They also tricked us in the trailer by putting that one Asian person in it 🙄 Race-baiting at its finest
@Lollihaste @Stephanie Lamonthe THISSS
@@TheDarkAgez 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 That version of Cinderella is ICONIC! It's a whole moment, and yet nobody learned from it 🤦🏿
@@tosinakin2508 the crazy thing is Shondaland *has* done the Brandy Cinderella version of Colourblind Casting and did it so well! Still Star Crossed had totally colourblind casting and the cast was absolutely fire and it was super campy and dramatic and interesting and it got cancelled after one season and it was a total injustice. And when I saw they were doing diverse casting in Bridgerton I was like "oh okay they're doing the same thing as SSC awesome" but then the "love magically insta!cured racism" plotline got dropped and it was very confusing. Took me a couple of minutes to get back into the swing of the episode. Especially since the *only* conversations had about race are isolated to Simon's dad's obsession with being good enough. Literally no one else brings it up except in that context. Which basically makes it look like racism only exists in Simon's dad's head??? Which is certainly not where they wanted to end up I think but it's where we got to.
I remember an interview that actress who played Penelope did a few years ago of her saying she wouldn't lose weight to play a character. So I'm hopeful that's a clear sign that the character Penelope won't lose weight by her season, and instead just gain a confidence boost from being able to wear more flattering colors.
Since we're closer to the release of Polin's season, I'll share what I think about everything to do with Penelope's glow up because there are people who think Nicola lost weight for her season and I don't agree with that.
Her hair, makeup and outfit are way more flattering for her. Her hair is more flowy and romantic compared to her original hairstyles. Her makeup is less powdery and more glowy. Her skin looks so beautiful and fresh. Her outfits are the main thing that makes sense to why she's so different. Her S1 and S2 looks are frumpy and stifling looking and isn't flattering. It's very huddled and hobbled on her. Her boobs are out more and the fabric is thinner and fits her body better than her original dresses. The colour is also so beautiful on her, compared to the yellow that she wore.
To add on, I think people just assume just cause she is working out she is working out to lose weight and not just maintain a more active lifestyle? Like the fatphobia amongst some people is appalling@@pettybee3860
REALLY loving how her ‘makeover’ was done. It wasn’t a giant change, just subtle enough to bring out all the positive qualities that her mothers misguided attempts had hidden
@@pettybee3860 i think she lost wheight but Not for the character but herself
okay fortune teller
There’s something so unsettling about the pictures of the steamy covers being juxtaposed with pictures of the kid actors 😂
I swear every guy on the cover looks exactly the same
I do appreciate that Bridgerton did cast an actually curvy actress for Penelope
yet they made her a sociopath
@@mariaefstratiou7427 haha very true.
That girl was WILD in the first season
Maybe it's just me but I am so tired of curvy women being portrayed as social outcast like Penelope why couldn't another curvy actress play a diamond 💎 of the season adored in her society with a strong love interest like Daphne or Edwina. In addition have a dark skin black women that's a lead and isn't made to suffer like Marina or an older woman like Lady D.
@@thandondlovu5392 fr and back then wasnt curvy/fat viewed differently? not solely in the negative way it is now
I hope they change Eloise’s love interest (or not give her one at all) cause it would totally ruin her development. She’s so smart it’s delusional to think she’d settle for a misogynistic and self-absorbed man.
I totally agree! I just finished the 5th book last night and (unlike books 2-4) I could not get behind the romance at all!
Yeah, I hope so too. She literally spends most of her time complaining about how she wants more out of life and how she wants to be free like Lady Whistledown. Yet she instead just travels to meet a man she’s never met before to settle down and become a mother. Like, isn’t that what she’s been protesting about the whole time? I think it would have been great for her to become independent and lead her own life. It would also have been a great way to show how the Bridgerton family would grow as they learn to accept that that’s what she wanted.
Though is not unrealistic to see amazing women with horrible male partners. It's very sad.
I very much hope they come up with another person for Eloise to choose to be with. Killing off Marina like that is not acceptable.
I thought they were portraying her as a lesbian that was in love with Pen but knowing about the HETERONORMATIVITY in the books makes me lose hope :(
Young lady it is MY BEDTIME. How dare you upload a video of this quality and length at such an hour.
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"Do all male leads have daddy issues?" - me, thinking back of the two only romance books I read recently: yes.
I read a lot of romance, and I can confirm this is so common it's almost unsettling.
me, who has only read Percy Jackson recently: yyyyyes???
Agreed at least one romance novel a week, and yes pretty much all of the male love interests have daddy issues.
I read romance novels, and I agree, though now I'm fascinated. Why is this such a popular theme???
When they introduced the gay painter in the show I was convinced that they were going to do a Dorian Gray-esque storyline for Benedict. But alas, everything is just hyper straight
I Honestly thought the same when they introduced Mr Granville and him comforting and telling Art is all about perception and making feeling confident about his art. Then taking him to his hideaway but only make his secret keeper. Wasted potential
oh i love the picture of dorian gray! it needs more retellings or references in other media (e.g. what you suggested with benedict and the painter)
Hyper straight? What the fu-
I don't think it's hyper straight lol. It's just a straight show💀
why do you people always want everything to be gay?
Julia is one of those TH-camrs who doesn’t upload often, but when they do it’s worth the wait
i'm glad you think so :))
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Something that sorta bothered me about THAT scene and how the fans responded was the way they excused it bc she’s not knowledgeable about sex. Just because r*pe doesn’t have a name to you does not make it not r*pe. She was still aware she was doing something he didn’t want her to do to his body. That is not ok whether you know it’s called r*pe or not.
Haven’t watched the show, but I read a bunch of Reddit threads discussing the scene and I was shocked at the bunch of comments going “He could’ve just pushed her off” Jesus Christ
I asked my Mum, a Bridgerton fan, about that rape scene, and got the horrifying answer of "it couldn't have been rape because men can't get raped there wouldn't be anything going on down there if they weren't into it". What the hell Mum. It was really out of left field as well she isn't usually a bad person I swear.
It's cause she's a little white girl and he's a big black man. People dehumanize his plight. Fucked up.
In the show I'm not really sure if I'd call it rape but rather betrayal, to be honest. It's not sex against his will (quite the opposite). Though she suspects by then, he never told her that he doesn't want to spend himself inside her and apart from the last time before the scene in question she doesn't even realise that what he's doing is unusual. And he knows she doesn't know it.
Still it clearly is a betrayal on her part (especially because of her suspicion) and it is most definitivly wrong, but the story leading up to it with his prior betrayal explains it a little.
Also: to call two seconds of him realising she won't let him pull out (all the while never telling her that that's his intention) rape, kind of diminishes actual rape victims.
How they resolve it is another matter altogether. She makes it all about her and eventually forgives him - she should realise what she's done and ask his forgiveness instead.
I haven't read the book but having sex with an inebriated, unconscious partner definitely is rape, so they could have (should have) changed that scene in the show completely or at least acknowledged her fault in the fallout.
@@miralyse.3846 naw baby that’s rape. This man said “daphne stop” at LEAST twice and she kept going. If a man was on top of a woman and she said stop, but he physically kept her from moving away, all in an effort to force her to give him a baby, everyone would be screeching. Daphne raped him period. And I’m saying this as someone who loved Bridgerton
GOD THANK YOU I'm a P&P stan myself and whenever people compare it to Bridgerton I'm like "the plots have FUCK ALL in common, get out of here." Not every love-hate relationship is Lizzy and Darcy! Not every Regency story is Jane Austen! GAH!
I do find it ironic that the "Sanditon" PBS/BBC series- which was based on the half a chapter or whatever that Austen finished and then the writers made up the rest, didn't get picked up for a Season 2 because "people just couldn't handle seeing characters having sex in the Regency" and then two years later BOOM Bridgerton. I'd be mad if I were Sanditon folks.
Jane Austen wrote 12 chapters of Sanditon.
@@mariem24601 It's not that people can't handle characters having sex during the Regency period (hello Willoughby, Wickham and Henry Crawford) - it's that the "Sanditon" series did not honour Jane Austen's legacy at all. The plot, characters, tone were contrary to anything Jane Austen had ever written.
As a Jane Austen fan, I'm totally with you. People have been talking about Bridgerton as if it's this magical world that brings them into an Austen's novel, but watching it just made me... mad. Like, most important plot points are forced and out of nowhere from episode 1, not to even mention all the problematic bullshit... It's sort of entertaining, but not like anything from Austen. The only good outcome is that the show made me miss P&P and go re-read it for the millionth time to enjoy a true good regency romance.
@@koalaeucalyptus true and also austen has a very specific dry, comedic tone that bridgerton simply does not have lol
honestly maybe I'm just That Bitch but I would love to see Penelope have a requited romance with someone other than Colin or Colin/Penelope gets triggered by jealousy. Maybe some handsome wealthy guy starts courting Penelope in her next season and Pen realises she doesn't have to tie her self-worth to her childhood crush. Like the attention of another man makes her see herself in a new light and Colin either misses his opportunity (or nearly misses his opportunity) with her when she ceases to pine for him.
Also I am begging the show runners not to do that to Eloise oh my god/
Great video, thank youu for your sacrifice
This is exactly what I thought book 4 would be, and it would have been so much more interesting. The book we got was super boring.
this would be perfect omg
I think one of them needs to suffer
YES! and when reading the books I really wanted to see Penelope reject Colin. Like why would I want you after all these years of you treating me bad, and why should I trust you like me now. Like make him sweat for it.
I would love that tbh
"brain off, female gaze on" I did immediately pause the video and write that down on a sticky note because it made me laugh so hard
" I haven't met a fictional character I've wanted to punch more in Mt entire life and I've read After"
Julia really woke up today and chose violence
THIS HAIR. YES. YOU LOOK SO GOOD. I’m seconds in and I’m obsessed.
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@@maurabewsmoviecorner6911 did you have a stroke
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Sure
I really hate when show runners and fans say a show is diverse when it is only white and black people like others don’t exist, it’s not diverse if 2 races are showed
it feels like they haven’t realised that the largest racial group in the world is neither of those two......
@@queenning28 pls the Asians in the show really said:baby I'm not even here I'm a hallucination
yea, and only one nationality 😭 like jesus christ
apparently we have unlocked race number 3 for season 2: South East Asians! Which makes me wonder if the show is gonna magically be full of them next season when we saw none this season? Are we gonna creepily switch out the race of minor characters and extras to match that of the love interest every season?
@@ArtemisScribe that’s a terrible thing about race issues in the west, but I would genuinely crack up at the ridiculousness of it I have to admit
Idk why but "my mom made me wear yellow my whole life" is simply hilarious
I stubbornly choose to believe that we got so much Marina in S1 because they plan on killing Philip instead of Marina and Eloise gets the pretty girl.
This would be interesting.
id actually like to see that!! the showrunners are clearly allowed to deviate from the books so its not like philip being written out of the universe is unable to happen
That would make sense as to why, Marina isn’t the Bridgerton’s cousin.
that would be SO good!!!! how can we get netflix to hire you so this happens 😈
I want Eloise to get a smart girlfriend!
me, a Catholic with irregular periods: *I don't even have a period, my virtue fought it off*
So...this guy has to marry this lady because he was seen sucking on her neck but it was only to get the bee venom out which he was very worried about because his father died of a bee sting...and...so...they...what??????
What........the hell? I’m weak lol
The scene is hysterical. Because once they are caught (by their moms) he's actually pretty happy with the situation and she is just like "No no no it was a bee! No one can force us to get married because of a bee! This is insane!"
@@mariem24601 like who knew a bee would play matchmaker...
Yeah, he’s just like, “We’ll get married in a week,” or whatever. He later says he fell in love with her during the Pall Mall game but wouldn’t admit it to himself, so this was a lucky break for him, really.
@@HuntingViolets what. the. fuck. is. a. pall. mall. game.
Do I want to watch Bridgerton or read the books? Never. Do I want to watch Julia talk about the show and the books? Always.
Same.
Same
Sameeeeeee.
I watched it, and was bored out of my mind. But this video was very entertaining.
"wow sophie you speak really well for a poor little rat girl" is so goddamn funny
Late to the party but I wanted to say that "My Sister's Suitor" would have been an EXCELLENT title instead of the terribly mediocre 'The Viscount who Loved Me"
Wow it's honestly a really good title lmao
I personally think 'My sister's suitor' sounds much more mediocre. Like it just sounds too bland. I like the original title, i think it's anything but mediocre. But meh, we all have our opinions.
Thing is, in the book, he never gets as far as even courting her. He only talks about courting Edwina to Kate
It wouldn't have made sense because in the books he doesn't actually have a relationship with Edwina. She's not an integral character at all. It was mostly about him and Kate. The show changes that but the book is different
@@aliasgar575HELL NAH!!!
My Sister's Suitor is waayy more mediocre than The Viscount Who Loved Me 💀
On the r*pe scene, I also think that it could have had the same impact if she thought she was pregnant without that *moment*. Pulling out isn’t a foolproof method, he could still have the turmoil about almost being a father, and we’d have the same conflict without the female protagonist violating her husband.
Also, just a quick note, the “Charlotte Mecklenburg-Strelitz was mixed” thing is very contentious, mostly because if she did have non-white ancestry (which is not for certain but definitely possible) it came from one ancestor about 500 years prior. I also have serious confusion over the timeline in how one marriage to a WOC 30 years prior in the royal family brings about the Duke’s apparent 8 generations long lineage. Honestly I love the idea of having it be somewhat defined historically, it just probably could have been the same if they’d set the turning point like 100 years back. But I love the show’s Queen Charlotte regardless.
I think the generations is explained by lady Danbury saying our society’s have lived alongside each other implying there was an established black society
Even while I was watching the series I was confused as to why the series was acting as him pulling during the act meant he would never get Daphne pregnant, when pulling out is infamously not a fool proof method.
They could have had it that they countimued to have realtions, Daphne appears to become pregnant and this terribly upsets Simon, which confuses her becuase from her perspective she just thouhgt they were having normal relations. And then she is made aware as to the nature of sexual relations and why he was pulling out. They could have side stepped that unpleasant plot point easily
@@aberdeen0107 That’s probably what they were going for, but I wish they’d been clearly about it, since the Queen was specified as a turning point. Idk I don’t think they really nailed that part of the world building down
Oh, imagine the conflict. Would be so much more dramatic, believable and intriguing. Daphne getting pregnant, Simon accusing her of cheating since he "pulled out", her not knowing what that means and being shocked when he explains...
@@beatrixlozach4840 doubt that's true
The spreadsheet is EVERYTHING
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Yes! That got me subscribing. I love it so much
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RIGHT? I mean, she not only READ nine effing mediocre books in one week, but also *made a spreadsheet* about how they were organized... I mean, just the maths of that and the sheer amount of dedication made me subscribe immediately. That's my kind of person.
so... two black characters are sexually assaulted and one of them literally lives an unhappy life until death...
Yep pretty much. Gotta make pocs suffer ya know?
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wait who's the second character? i only noticed the duke
@@tesso.6193 Marina, I’m pretty sure (she gets implied maritally raped later in the series)
@@lilfishie7765 based on book marina? because i don't want to be so pessimistic this early
"I downloaded all the audiobooks and listened to them at double playback speed for 7 days straight while I painted this gem-portrait of my dog" is the most I've ever felt represented by a youtube video. Or maybe ever.
They reaaalllly didnt need to have that scene. Because, news flash, pulling out is not a reliable way of contraception!!! AT ALL!!!
Imagine how much better it would be if she managed to get pregnant Anyway and was like!! Simon this is amiracle you are not entierly infertile! And hes just OH SHIT
And it wouldve been realistic and shown a lot of people watching it a valuable lesson about conception, yeah precum also has spermatozoids in it, you really should take that into account, it really isnt a reliable method, especially when theyre going at it like rabbits
... mostly im just pissed because I know this and that simon isnt inferitle and was waiting for the comedic potential of daphne actually getting pregnant anyway but instead got shown a violation of consent
I felt the exact same way. And given how many people still believe that the pull out method works, it could have been educational to some people.
I laughed when i read your punch line thanks
I really need bi Benedict to portrayed as bi. Because he is bi and it needs to be represented.
Yes
Omg I’m not the only one who sees it!!
benedict is very bi
Of course he should be!!!
and Eloise is a lesbian
In my humble opinion they should basically just make sir Phillip a completely different character ahaha. To fix sir Phillip they should really take your advice and turn him into a Jake peralta type (but also still a botanist cos I think it would be so cute if he was like obsessed with plants). Maybe he helps marina get somewhere else to a happier life and maybe he takes in her child as a ward (willingly) AND HES NOT ABUSIVE to his kids. Basically I really want him to be a himbo heheh
my ideal scenario would be that he (completely different from his book version) and Marina actually fall in love and Eloise gets to be gay or ace instead cause I just don't see her with a man.
@@RealGermanish yes that would do interesting. I would love to see him and marinas romance developed and him being a father to her kid and stuff that would be so cute. Also Eloise being gay/ace would be good, especially for a show that's diverse
@@RealGermanish Yess I want Eloise to be ace!
After watching the new season I think that is the move they’re making
thanks julia, now i’m gonna have to read 9 books so i can watch this video lmao
that was my motive i'm recruiting
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Now I need to find the library 😭
Thanks, Julia: I've watched the video and it saved me from wasting dozens of irreplaceable hours on those books. :D
Coming back after season 2 and seeing that they fixed all the contrivances of The Viscount Who Loved Me and did VERY MUCH let that rivalry simmer makes me so happy.
I also only remembered halfway through the show that instead of Kate calming Anthony down from his panic that in the book he was SUCKING ON HER THROAT.
On her breast you mean? Which even worse 💀
43:18 So I gotta say, I've been watching S02, and when they introduced "the apprentice, Mr. Theo Sharpe," I expected him to for-sure be Eloise's love interest...And based on this video, I'm genuinely thinking that would be a better idea. It's bad enough Marina is getting such a raw deal, but...Um, ew, I don't want Eloise to end up with PHILIP CRANE, of all people! What a terrible idea...!
When I read Penelopes book I just pretended she didn’t lose weight
Fr man 😭😭😭. Everytime she mentioned losing one-two stones of weight, I was like no. Just gonna gloss over this.
@@Grimm_Simmer in the book yes 😭😭😭
i’ve read her book and she mentioned losing about 2 stone (which i’m not really sure how much that is), but immediately after she mentioned that she’s still not exactly skinny either. so for pretty much the whole book i just pictured her the same because i wasn’t sure how much weight she was supposed to have lost. also her losing weight didn’t seem to have any affect on how people perceived her, it wasn’t like some glamorous makeover montage.
@@briannasalt240 one stone is 14lbs, so two is 28, hope that helps
@@hazel-anne1520 it does! so she lost about 28 pounds, and that’s definitely a significant amount but i’m not sure it’s ever specified how much she really weighs during her book. i’d like to think she was still chunky since she mentioned she still wasn’t “skinny” or something along those lines
HOW could they think it was ok to depict martial ra*pe and act like it wasn't a bad thing to do
I just love how it took AGES for Anthony to even call Kate by her name, a million years for him to proclaim his love for her and Benedict is head over heels for Sophie, kisses her (does a bit more than kiss) and if she hadn't ran away he totally would've proprosed, all of this the first time he met her.
Male leads are always either “ I’m gonna Neg you till you think you love me!” Or “ I’m actually a genuinely a sweet guy but this book isn’t available at your library sorry hun...”
“I’ve never wanted to punch a fictional character more in my life and I’ve read after”
GIRL, lmao had me cracking up the whole video, you are spot on this entire video
"I mean yellow is such a disgusting color, it's basically...child abuse!"
*hides own yellow clothes that are sticking out of the closet*
I am wearing yellow rn…
I LOVE yellow 😂
"This is gatorade because I don't like tea." TOOK ME OUT
If you’re interested in a good Cinderella retelling in book form, I highly recommend Cinder by Marissa Meyer. The series is all fairytale retelling with sci-fi twists and the romances are adorable. Also thanks for friending me back on Goodreads!!
The Lunar Chronicles series is some of the best YA fiction series since Harry Potter. Better than The Hunger Games. And obviously better than Twilight. But sadly not as obsessed by media like Twilight. Tho it deserves it.
YES the Lunar Chronicles is my all-time favorite I cannot recommend it enough and I'd LOVE to see her do a video on it.
YES I love that series (I havent finished it yet) but its so unique in its retelling and world building.
Ella Enchanted is my favorite
Yeah, no.
Cinder is an ableist mess. But by your profile picture I suposse you are a white, abled-bodied person. Cinder is ableist AND racist.
when she said "mind: off, female gaze: on" i felt that
I can confidently say I hate Sir Phillip and I do hope that the show either:
a) Makes Eloise a lesbian
or
b) Give her a himbo husband who respects women
they went with option b
@@mm5xo wait what? I binged season 2 and unless you’re talking about Theo then I have no idea who you’re talking about 😅
@@targathia6919 yea i'm talking ab him
@@mm5xo tho theo's not a bimbo tho :)
I really hated the theo line. Eloise just went goo goo eyed for the first bloke she came across when she'd only just started to get fully engaged in the early feminist underworld and reading alternative press. Instead of her breaking ties with the convention that she hates she goes running off to meet a newspaper boy. It was so disappointing.
i live for the pouring of tea in the beginning, also that teapot is mad cute
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It’s the calming voice for me😌
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yes omg her voice is so sweet and calming!!! we love to hear it
It's the excel spreadsheet for me 🧡
every time you said "Julia" referring to the author I thought you were speaking about yourself in the third person
They’re so many things they could’ve done besides the rape scene. Have Daphne experience phantom pregnancy unknowingly which breaks down Simon’s lie about being infertile. Have her actually get prgnant because they had no real proper contraception. There are so many things they could’ve done. They also could’ve just adopted so there wouldnt be the whole passing down bloodline dilemma/stigmatizing of those who didn’t want children. But i digress
Adoption was not a thing back then. Not in the full legal sense that it is today. People would take in the children of relatives, but never strangers. And for Simon, being a Duke…that estate is tied up inextricably in primogeniture. He can’t pass on his name or title to anyone who isn’t blood
@@83croissant I mean not being able to pass on his title/name/blood is kinda what he wanted. But they could’ve have taken on a ward and raised them like a child. Considering the other antics they pull in bridgerton i don’t think that’s too far fetched
This is a perfect video except that NO ONE has discussed l that On the Way to the Wedding came out in 2006 and has a character named Hermione Watson, an obvious call to Hermione Granger played by Emma Watson and somewhat weird. That is all, thank you for this perfect video.
Omg hilarious
What? Dramione spotted! I wonder if it’s worth the read
@@heyhorinshi i rly loved on the way to the wedding so according to me it’s worth a read
I actually read a lot of historical romance, particularly Christian, but I do get into the more "erotic" romance historical fiction every now and then, and yeah. It is pretty formulaic. Almost all of the men have daddy issues. Like ESPECIALLY the ones from the Regency era, but it is so hard to read the books sometimes when ALL OF THE LEADS can't/won't have children or can't/won't care for children because of their D A D S, and all the female leads have to "fix" them. The female leads are also almost always painfully "innocent," but like not even just in the Christian ones, but all the normal, "erotic" ones too. There are a few gems out there, like one where the male lead did have daddy issues, but the female lead was blind, which was a source of internal conflict for her, but not because she wished she was "normal."
Also you are absolutely right. Books written in the 1800s are completely different than historical romances set in the 1800s. Our modern romances are VERY formulaic, and there is nothing wrong with that. It is very satisfying and easy to read these kinds of books. But the books written in the 1800s that we consume now, like books by Jane Austen or the Bronte sisters, are more like the modern classics like To Kill a Mockingbird or The Joy Luck Club or even books by Isabel Allende. Like Jane Austen's books may be romances, but they are also books that offer social critique and an analyzation of society at the time, and were written before there was even a formula for romance books.
Chiming in to agree that some of Julia's complaints are just literally Romance genre rules/tropes, while others are problems more prevalent in '00s era romance that some more modern historical Romance does better.
Re: crushing heteronormativity try Cat Sebastian
Re: if they're going to talk like modern men why are they misogynyst try Tessa Dare
Re: no lives outside of romance, it's a different era but try Courtney Milan
And I'm not as familiar with diversity in Hist. Rom. set in England but Beverley Jenkins and Alyssa Cole have some great Black Romance set in the American South and the American West.
But yeah, kiss or first love scene ~50%, something tearing then apart between 70&80%, but reconciliation and a happy ending by 90%? That's genre conventions. (Pop Culture Happy Hour just did an intro to genre Romance episode that mentions this.)
Nothing to do with Bridgerton but your hair looks AMAZING
!!! This. So lovely omg
"I know that Gareth is an extremely unappealing name" wow, guess I won't show this video to my very English boyfriend named Gareth then.
no no no. do it. it'll be a riot. 👁️👁️
This is not the first romantic hero I've read about named Gareth.
I feel like u need to make an updated version of this now that season 2 is out and how you think the producers will address the rest of the novels
11:11 Jane Austen was neither Historical nor Romance. As she was writing in her own time period, about her own time period. That’s contemporary fiction. “Romantic Literature” existed at the time but would not be what we today would classify as ‘romance novels’…and Jane Austen did not write like the Romantics nor did she write books primarily focused on romance. She wrote comedies of manners, social satires…that end in a good match for the female protagonist. It’s how a young female protagonist reaches self-actualization in the 1800s. If writing today, I don’t know if Jane Austen would depend on the marriage plot if she didn’t have to
Not me spending an hour watching this for an hour straight when I haven’t even watched the trailer 😌✨
omg same
"i don't even have a period my virtue fought it off" QUEEN i cant with the quick comedy
I started reading the novels and I have yet to finish, but seriously congratulations to Netflix for doing better than the book for once in their long line of acts against humanity.
Integrating the epic lows and highs of high school football into a Bridgerton review is the personification of a chef's kiss.
Okay but Benedict literally told Sophie she was coming to London with him or he was going to lie about her stealing from him and get her arrested and then remanded to his custody! The final jailhouse scene where Ma Bridgerton saves the Day was pretty epic but oh my gosh I really hated Benedict from that moment on
For me it was earlier than that, when he never thought to ask Sophie about how she felt after almost being brutally assaulted. Him being forceful with her after that was really weird, because you'd think someone who sees a person experience what Sophie did would be careful and gentle with her. Not our boy Benedict though. Dudes a shithead in the book IMO
I feel like with the amount of thought you've put into the ways to fix certain aspects of later books you should just tweet the show runner with this video with something like "hire me please."
Another problem that I had with the books is that the Male leads are always irritating and "bad boyish" towards the female leads. Literally each book consists only of the conversations where the man is picking on the woman and the woman is super irritated with him. At least for a few of them. I havent read them all but I'm getting there.
exactly!!! i dont get the fantasy of having a mean partner tbh like... why not have a himbo
@@iwakeupandboomimarat HIMBOS FOR THE WIN
I especially hate when the author’s idea of a “bad boy” is just a misogynist with rage issues. Like why is that attractive to anyone even if he has a “dark past” that doesn’t make his present behavior ok or make the female love interest a licensed therapist who can “help him heal”🙄🙄🙄
The ONLY exception is Gregory and he's not even that much of an exception
I don’t go here so everything I know about Bridgerton I picked up from historical fashion youtubers, so I could be reading wrong, but my impression of the “forced to wear yellow” thing is that the problem was less the “yellow” and more the “forced”. It can be the prettiest color in the world, if it’s the only thing you’re allowed, it’s going to chafe. (Think of the hatred many young afab people develop for the color pink, a perfectly lovely and charming color in its own right. Same basic principle.)
I think it was sort of a joke. Penelope isn't classically beautiful and is forced to wear clothes with shapes and colors that aren't flattering which worsens her already low self-confidence. And she lives in a shallow society, where women's worth IS judged by their appearance (and their dowry).
But mostly, she is emotionally abused by her mother and older sisters.
She is also bullied by local Alpha-bitch Cressida.
In the book she at least has the support of her younger sister, Felicity, her best friend Eloise, and the Bridgerton clan.
In the show the emotional abuse from her mother and sisters is worse, Felicity doesn't exist and Eloise is well-meaning but she is too self-centered and judgmental and isn't exactly the best of friends. So yeah...
looking at this now i’m so glad the s2 writers pulled up
marina seemed to have been depressed since the news of her first love dying and having to be forced to marry his younger brother. then after giving birth, she most probably had postpartum depression and obviously she didnt get help for it nor did she have a good support system. that explains one thing or two.
I haven't watched the whole video, does Philip really abuse her ?
@@laysouza8620 in the books, yes, in season 2 of show though she seems content with her child and husband and nothing too terrible has happened yet
@@laysouza8620 not really abused but ignored. Book version Marina was too negative. To the point that she ignores her twins and Philip has decided she wasn't healthy for the twins. (Philip also self aware that he isn't good for the twins too because of daddy issues)
Philip tried to help Marina in the first years of their marriage but she was "melancholic" as he described in the books.
Tv show Marina is different though. She seems content at least,which book Marina didn't have. I wonder how will they play out her suicide on the show or of she will stay alive after all.
I've heard so many arguments that the r*pe/noncon scene was essential to the plot and it makes me sick. Like there are so many other ways you could arrive at that specific conflict. Pulling out isn't a 100% effective method. Daphne could have gotten pregnant anyway. And even if it was absolutely necessary to have that scene (which it isn't) then daphne should have been accountable for her actions. Simon and Daphne should have divorced. There should have been consequences. Instead she ended up gaslighting him into staying with her and he just let go of his daddy issues in half an episode like HELLO????????????? Honestly my disappointment was immeasurable.
How is it essential to the plot when there are no consequences whatsoever? Their fights meant nothing because they just came out on the other side the same as before they went in. No anger from Simon or guilt from Daphne....They even had a baby Simon was, I guess, happy about in the last minute.....No other relationships were affected or anything....What lmao.
@@yasminragab2434 ikr? The lengths people will go to to defend this is ridiculous
They could have had her find out (as she does) and confront Simon.
I thought it was a thing for writers where, if you can use anything other than rape, you probably shouldn't use rape? Does that seriously only apply to media featuring women being raped?
@@queen-monarch See, you know what the thing is? With the way it played out, I don't think the writers even consider it rape.
"I don't even have a period. My virtue fought it off." made wheeze IRL with my actual lungs and I'm definitely subscribing
“I don’t even have a period, my virtue fought it off” i DIED
Sophie could be a model at the art parties that he attends, that would be a better way to have them meet again.
oh boy, how i want to know your thoughts on the 2nd season. i enjoyed it more than the first one even though it was a bit messy (but that what i think bridgeton is lol) i loved kate’s character
How did I not realize Merphy had ranted about the book?? I know I watched that video, but the piece never fell into place until this very moment
Why is Penelope being made to wear yellow such an issue? Does she just hate yellow? I mean yellow was a very fashionable color during that era so I don’t know why that would make her unpopular. Like I know it’s probably because her mother is controlling her but why?? Yellow???
apparently it clashes with her complexion or smth.
which, yeah to be fair clothes colour vs skin complexion can be an issue but even i don't think it should be _that_ bad and penelope is me favourite bridgerton lead, lol.
yeah her mom would only let her wear yellow bc "youre ugly and theyll only like you when you wear yellow because yellow is a happy color"
My thought was maybe it was considered a...babyish color? Like her mother made her wear a childish color past childhood, or ONLY wearing a single color past childhood. Like everyone could tell her mother was dressing her cause she ONLY EVER wore yellow
It's also very shouty and kind of campy in comparison to the other ladies wearing lots of pastel blue and pink and whites so it's meant to set the featheringtons apart as kind of trashy
It doesn’t look good on her so people laugh at her.
When first watching Bridgerton, my roommate and I were pleasantly surprised that Anthony actually found out about Daphne nearly being assaulted. Like, we were bracing ourselves for that to only be revealed in the last episode or something and to be mad about it the whole time.
I just want to throw out there that the overwhelming historical consensus is that Queen Charlotte was NOT mixed. The theory that she was mixed comes from one historian in the 20th century and even people who support his work think that this particular theory was a stretch.
I am SO glad someone else hates the Eloise book. I had heard people call it the best one and I was so excited to read it. I love a marriage of convenience story! But then it was so dull and terrible and how do two characters in a book have no chemistry?? Sir Phillip was sooo dull and I was waiting for sensitive depths beneath his sullen exterior but... no? Also his kids were little monsters. Also also maybe I shouldn’t have read it so soon after I read The Turn of the Screw.
So if you want to get into period romance, read some Courtney Milan. I haven't read enough to say whether she or Julia Quinn are more representative of this massive genre, but at the very least, Milan's books are better. I just finished the Brothers Sinister series (they're not cruel or anything, they're just left-handed), and it has all the delicious genre staples like banter and chemistry and happily ever afters, but it's also got believable pragmatic discussions about class divide difficulties, and men who aren't rakes, and happy lesbian couples, and two virgins who AREN'T magically great at sex but who have a good time anyway because the lady takes it upon herself to explain what the clitoris is and why it's important.
I started reading the Brothers Sinister series while I was watches the show and was disappointed they didn't make that series into a show instead. The characters/plot are waaaaay more interesting.
I'm sorry but I laughed so hard with "they are not cruel or anything, they're just left-handed" I completely get what you mean, I just found it funny
@@mariamonicadelgado8925 XD That's fair! I'm very wary of romance novels with crappy love interests (since, y'know, there's a lot of those) so I felt the need to clarify that this is not that. Not that they're flawless, almost everyone, regardless of gender, makes at least a couple big mistakes, but they're believable mistakes and then they learn and grow and apologize and all that good stuff.
@@michelleverdugo Oh that would be incredible! Can you imagine Bridgerton's wardrobe department making Jane Fairfield's gowns?!
@@CatHasOpinions734 their would be no worry about being period appropriate because they could be fabulously obscene and over the top and that's the whole point!
When you brought up the pictures of the books I realized that my mom has collected all of them. I’ve only read one (I wasn’t allowed to read them so I had sneak it off her bookshelf) and I now realize why Lady Whistledown was so familiar to me
Edit: told my mom and she literally screamed. Apparently this is her favorite series and now is going to watch the show
Girl, you’re energy is both deranged and hella chill, I love you
I think there should be a new Emmy category - best adaption of a horrible book and the writers of Season 2 of Bridgerton should definitely win that one.
And there are so many people saying that the show ruined a great book. I read TVWLM and was like wow… this isn’t good
So, first off, I’ve never seen any of your videos before but I think you’re doing great. Intelligent talking points, well spoken, nicely edited…but secondly, your hair is GORGEOUS, oh my goodness I’m fixated! It’s so soft and shiny! The color is so multidimensional!
omg six of crows and crooked kingdom... girl i expect a video about the show once it’s out
This!!! Can't wait for the show
so true
I'm in sooo much anticipation for it! I need it to be good, I'm looking forward to it even more than Black Widow
I absolutely love Leigh bardugo and I'm such a big fan... lately I tried to get past my addiction over soc and ck but suddenly this book pops up out of nowhere again and reminds me of the crow's again AND getting war flash backs because of Matthias.
okay but shout out to writer julia for just skipping the weddings and going straight to the woohoo, girl knows what she wants to write and goes for it
Be my friend, we can talk hours upon end about Pride and Prejudice.
I'll be your friend!
I did, actually, talked about pride and prejudice to my best friend for more than one hour and she doesn't even read or watch romance/drama films. I bored her to death.😂
Ok but why did I also have the same exact experience of getting halfway through season one, remembering Merphy Napier’s rant, and frantically looking up if Bridgerton was an adaptation while my stomach filled with dread?
Here after watching season 2 and I am SO glad the show went a different direction than the book!
I wonder if they’ll switch the order of the seasons since we got the “I’d never marry Pen” scene at the end of season 2? Gosh, I hope they steer away from the weight loss angle. Actually, I hope they change up a lot.
yeah they are switching up the order- Pen and Colin are the main focus of season 3, and since Benedict and Sophie’s romance has a timeskip, I think it’ll be spread out a bit over 3 and 4 a
1:08 I thought I was just gonna not understand what you were talking about but then right at that moment, the planets aligned and my world was shattered. I’m just sitting in a state of shock rn
Here, waiting for this queen to talk about season 3
girl has the most impeccable vibes in the history of humanity
5:35 I just love it when Six of Crows makes an appearance in a video that’s not about Six of Crows. It makes me feel seen😌
THANK YOU for doing this. I almost just spent all the money to buy the books. You're out here doing the lords work.
You had me at “I don’t even have a period, my virtue fought it off.” Subbed!
17-year old me would have loved to read all of those in 7 days too, but I am iliterate now.
same but my school and time management said no😁
I'm trying to listen but im distracted by the hair of an angel that is framing your glowing face, girl whatever ur doing it amazing
At the beginning I was like: "Woah, almost an hour? I don't know about that.." but then the hour FLEW by. You are quick, to the point and funny. Thank you for saving me the time (and frankly, the annoyance) of having to read these books myself. :)
As a longtime guilty historical romance reader, you are complaining about tropes of the genre but I feel like actually readers deserve better from the genre as a whole. Particularly given how many of those tropes are just fully misogynistic and unhealthy.