Peter: Everybody, I've got bad news. We've been cancelled. Lois: Oh, no! Peter, how could they do that? Peter: Well, unfortunately, Lois, there's just no more room on the schedule. We've just got to accept the fact that Fox has to make room for terrific shows like Dark Angel, Titus, Undeclared, Action, That '80s Show, Wonderfalls, Fastlane, Andy Richter Controls the Universe, Skin, Girls Club, Cracking Up, The Pitts, Firefly, Get Real, FreakyLinks, Wanda at Large, Costello, The Lone Gunmen, A Minute With Stan Hooper, Normal, Ohio, Pasadena, Harsh Realm, Keen Eddie, The $treet, American Embassy, Cedric the Entertainer, The Tick, Luis and Greg the Bunny. Lois: Is there no hope? Peter: Well, I suppose if all those shows go down the tubes, we might have a shot.
thats not only the funniest joke they ever had on the show, it was also the last of the truly funny jokes. I dont know if it qualifies as ironic or not, but after Family Guy came back the writing got incredibly lazy and the show took a nose dive. Futurama also left and came back and when they did it was different, I could feel it. And I never laughed out loud, like I had in the earlier seasons.
@@Shorty_Lickens I dropped it after this past season on Hulu finished airing. Other folks were saying the magic's gone online too. Out of all of the episodes I watched this past season, only the finale and one other one was good. I was like yeah this is a waste of time to watch so I'm done. I hope the King of the Hill revival's good as this was a letdown and further cements that these revivals are only being done simply because they can't come up with nothing else.
@@Ziko577 Yup. Part of it is the industry can't make anything better. Another issue is just based on viewer numbers it seems nostalgia is a lot more popular than originality. Most people just arent watching anything thats genuinely new or original. Same with movies. We can complain about Hollywoods lack of ideas but the truth is old stuff like franchises and nostalgia projects (reboots, remakes) perform much better in the box office. Our apathy is the real problem. We do it to ourselves.
Fun fact about some of these shows getting silently canceled during the "baseball finals" is that the 2006 World Series (hosted by Fox) is also one of the lowest-rated World Series since baseball came to television (because literally no one cared about the 2 teams outside of the 2 cities they played for). That's some pretty delicious cosmic irony right there.
Either the narrator either knows nothing about “MLB Baseball” or refuses to use the MLB World Series title because other than Toronto a couple of times, all of the teams playing are U.S. based. FYI Actually Blue Jays Beard every World Series has been shown since television started operating full time right after WW2. For most of its television history either on NBC and since 1996 on Fox.
Yeah fox had a love hate relationship with playoffs/world series--ratings were good/killed any momentum the fall season had with late October leading into early November the break killed almost everything...luckily 24/american idol came in the fall and took up 3 of their nights--plus prison break was a hit to place in fall...also house/animation sun/bones/70s show covered most the rest leaving little room for the bombs of fall.
Hey I cared about the cardinals!! But yeah lol they won with the technically worst ws winning team ever, against a tigers team no one really cared about lol
@@andrewwertz3335 As a Yankee fan winning a WS title is an accomplishment. Even if the 2006 Cardinals gets roasted and dissed by many MLB/Sports Analysts and Historians as the worst MLB Champion of all time. Teams as of end of the 2024 season such as the Rays, Padres and Mariners would be thrilled at just 1 ring. 💍 😱
Yay, I'm glad you've gone back to this! I have a weird fondness for failed sitcoms, there's almost something liminal about these brief glimpses into an unrealized world.
I plan to make similar videos about Freaks and Geeks, because that is a well-regarded cult classic that tried and failed to be a "dramedy" and Imaginary Mary because that is a live-action-CG animated hybrid that websites for watching cartoons are still willing to preserve even though most of it is live-action, like Mary Poppins, the Supernatural episode Scoobynatural, Christoper Robin, Mary Poppins Returns, and The Fairly OddParents: Fairly Odder.
I do, too, considering how some of the access ones are now tainted by sleaze and scandal, and sometimes it is fun to wonder what could’ve been if certain failed concepts had been done right. It’s also interesting to consider that some flops flopping pave the way for future successes.
“Imaginary Mary” is not a thing and is a form of confession through projection as she is just the yt girl cover version of Uncle Remus and not even a good one at that!
I barely payed attention to Fox's 2006 season because I thought that 'American Idol' had such A firm grip on the network that no scripted show would stand A chance against it. So for me, there was no hope for Fox in my eyes. It was no longer the network known for 'Married With Children', The Simpsons', and 'In Living Color' anymore, but where shows get crushed by 'American Idol', or 'Kitchen Nightmares'. So I moved onto cable, and streaming, but even that wouldn't last long.
It’s funny how you mentioned American Idol. While editing the video, I found an AD that combined ‘Til Death with American Idol, as ‘Til Death’s Season 1 Finale aired just before. It’s at 17:39 of this video.
I wasn't watching Fox in 2006. American Idol turned me off to Fox. That & how crappy the Simpsons had gotten. So all these failed shows I don't remember, but I am somewhat familiar with Til Death, only cause I vaguely remember seeing ads for it, & it was being shown in reruns, for years afterwards.
I was only watching Fox on Sunday by that point. That was the only network TV I was watching at all except for the final Bob Barker season of *The Price is Right.*
I figured the only reason Til Death was kept was because of syndication or because they paid Brad Garrett a bunch up front and wanted to make sure they got what they paid for
I watched another video on 'Til Death. In the final season it basically turned into a weird meta-comedy where the daughter's boyfriend became self-aware that he was living in a sitcom. They even got Mayim Bialik to play herself as his therapist and she point blank tells him that she played Blossom.
That's rad. My favorite example of that happening is Moonlighting from the 80s (holy crap, what a show... and what a trainwreck!) The finale of the show involved the set being broken down around them and they run to the head of network to find out it's one of the characters' exes from the first season (actual director of the show, and also all the good Adam Sandler movies) who tells them they're cancelled because nobody likes them anymore. In reality Cybill shepherd couldn't handle her role in Hollywood as an aging star actress, especially when her unknown costar Bruce Willis made Die Hard between seasons 3 and 4... So by the time they started shooting S4 he was the biggest movie star on the planet not named Eddie Murphy
I was recording on DVD by that point. I just hope my home recordings have stood the test of time since I left them at my parents’ house when I moved out of it.
Fun fact: The leads on Standoff (Ron Livingston and Rosemarie DeWitt) ended up married after meeting on the show. So at least one good thing came out of it lol.
Lorne michaels said in the Kids of the Hall doc.... if you get greenlit for a season 3 there is usually always a season 4. For the reason you said. Its an investment. and Til Death this runs on TV around here
I remember Justice. I actually liked it. I honestly only remember watching two or three episodes, and it was gone. It may have been a law and order "inspired" show but I really was into crime and courtroom dramas, still am. Since I was kind of young, I just thought I missed all of the season and not that it was moved to another time slot.
I loved it. Found the show on TH-cam and rewatched it. I love the premise. Start with the defendant being arrested and lawyers starting the spin. Going through building the defense, trial, then verdict. Then you get what actually happened. You get to be jury member and find out if your verdict was the right choice.
Keep in mind it wasn’t fox that owned Til death. It was Sony. It got a second season because it did well after American Idol, season 3 because Back to You was too expensive and Season 4 because Sony lowered the license fee to dirt cheap, Sony benefitted from syndication. They aggressive strategies got a lot of shows on canceled like community, drop dead Diva, and others.
It's renewals each year had much more to do with International then domestic. Sony had alot of channels globally that needed content both original in prime time and for syndication through the day. US Network sitcoms especially back then were often simple, its setup, punchline, setup, punchline with broad jokes because it needs to find an audience in a large and diverse country, when you go away from that formula with more complex jokes and layering of jokes then its harder to get an audience as the likes of Arrested Development highlighted. That however also benefits it internationally as simpler joke structure and simpler jokes are easier to translate. 'Til Death was doing pretty well on a number of their international channels, well enough that reducing how much the licence fee to fox was to a point that in Season 4 it was almost free while also slashing production budgets each year so Fox's contribution to these was low made sense. All they cared about was getting fox to make the contribution to production costs so it stayed on the air so they could make more from international rights than they ever did for demomstic
2006 in the Adult Swim world was actually a pretty banger year. You had Harvey Birdman, ATHF, Venture Bros, and new shows like Frisky Dingo and Metalocalypse.
@@superorangecat6937 OH by FAR. They had to extend the time slot to 10:30 because they had like 10 or 12 shows that were either debuting or airing a new season. They had new episodes for different shows for 2 and a half hours straight. You don't see that nowadays and they have a longer block.
What’s interesting is that they canceled almost all their comedies after the 2005 to 2006 season which was pretty bad but they got bones and prison break out of it and then they tried simplifying 2006 2007 by having their three dramas prison break, bones and house lead into new dramas, but all those new dramas failed. They tried to rebuild the Comedy block that failed, and they ended up saving one going into the next season, which was screwed over by the strike anyway, but since programs less hours they could afford to start over.
Most likely the reason it wasn’t on the screener dvd is because it’s a game show and not a narrative based show, for some reason networks don’t like putting non-reality game shows on home media or streaming.
I bet there are ABC pilot demo VHS/DVDs somewhere out there from 2001, since I have an on-off interest towards the failed pilot of an American version of a British miniseries called "Metropolis", which tells the story of the lives of a group of friends after graduating from college. One of the reasons why is because Michael E. Rodgers, the actor of C. Junior in the children's film "Thomas and the Magic Railroad", played Nate, a stalker-with-a-crush type of character who loves one of the protagonists, and I did end up finding a full script (but I forgot where I found it), but very little info and no footage was found, and it was confused with an anime film with the same name.
I never watched Til Death until its final season, and it was because I was constantly blazed at college and found the literal 4th wall arc the most hilarious thing ever, especially the meta Blossom reuinion. Simpler time, that.
I know this is random but I'd love to see you do a video on either King Of Queens or Family Matters. Those are some of my favorite sitcoms that I don't think you have talked about yet.
I think "external" factors also helped explain why Til Death lasted. It wasnt a hit but it was marketable and there was... promise. But in 2007, (not even in fall, but in Spring) you had Rules of Engagement, a show that was basically Til Death but focused and refined (long married couple and their shenanigans with a fresher couple) and with an arguably better cast (Brad Garrett is great but man, Patrick Warburton is basically an upgraded version of him lol) Rules of Engagement not needing these massive seasons and getting strong as hell ratings for a medium level show probably contributed to Fox going "hey, maybe we still stand a chance"
You could do a video like this for nearly every season of tv on Fox. That channel just ate its young. So many one season shows. Even really good shows. Just mindblowing.
Because even in spite of all of this, they still had the biggest show on television in the midst of its absolute peak (I’m like 90% certain 2006 was the American Idol season that got the biggest ratings of its entire run)
The reason most people didn’t realize is because Fox programs the least amount of hours it’s so easy for them to start over. In 2007 they just introduced a new drama and a new comedy and some unscripted and then they had American Idol in the spring and then they ended up being OK.
Oh man, i remember both Happy Hour and Til Death vividly. I remember being so saddened by what they ended up turning Til Death into. Back the I was also sad about the cancelation of Happy Hour, but i was 15 yeas old so i didn't have the best taste in television, cause i haven't seen the pilot since 2006 and i still remember it not aging well.
I remember brother from "Everybody Loves Raymond" and the guy from "American Pie" show. In my coutry we have side channels that buy those shows and air it. Cant say a lot about the rest but now I want to see "The Winner" lol
14:57 While you’re right that doubling up on episodes is usually a sign the network wants to burn through the order, in more recent years I’ve seen networks like FX do that with successful shows (or at least shows they want to succeed). Three that spring immediately to mind are It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia, What We Do in the Shadows, and Archer. All of those saw at least a couple seasons roll out episodes two at a time, and they still usually air the first two episodes of new seasons back-to-back.
Ron LIvingston has been in a ton of movies and shows that didnt perform well. Shame cuz he is a good actor. If anyone missed it theres a short lived series called Loudermilk where he plays a recovering alcoholic and its actually good. Not many people saw it.
4:07 I saw that ticking clock during the Standoff section of this video which just made me wanna go back and rewatch 24 for something like the fifth or sixth time.
Just want to acknowledge your joke where every shot of Family Guy in the video is either Peter getting high on Red Bull or the injured knee gag. Good stuff
Fox Sunday was actually a very popular night for them. The Simpsons, King of the Hill, Family Guy, Malcom in the Middle, X-Files, and American Dad all aired on Sunday night over the years. MTV had a popular Sunday night lineup in the late 90s/early 2000s of WWF Sunday Night Heat, Celebrity Deathmatch, and Jackass. Sunday night was one of the most hyped nights for TV for middle schoolers, teens, and young adults.
Wait a minute, in episode 3 of the Extra-Cast, you said this to Billy when talking about _The Winner_ : “If you put on ‘From the creator of _Family Guy_ ,’ it’d be a lie because Ricky Blitt was the number 1 dude.” So does that mean Ricky actually created the show? Because Billy said he came up with the concept and Seth McFarlane was an afterthought.
@@Attmay. If I had to guess, Seth had some minor contributions, but was given equal billing to improve the chances of the show getting greenlit; I suggest this, as it is the case for Bordertown (another short-lived Fox comedy).
Wow I remember watching The Winner when it aired on Sunday and watching Til Death on Sundays as a kid. In fact Til Death got the same issue as The Winner but worse they would air three episodes in the night then on Thursday when Family Guy would sometimes get a new episode they would put a Til Death episode there. The syndication on my end in the US is even funnier my CW aired the show in the afternoon for a year but once they got a different show they dropped it off their network and it went to My Network TV and if you know how messy that network is it makes it's fate the funniest.
Talking about Fox giving the Winner a bad timeslot, it reminds me of how Adult Swim is giving Smiling Friends their worst timeslot (midnight sunday into monday) despite it being one of their most successful shows, likely because they don't want it competing too hard with their golden child, Rick and Morty.
Great point no one even talks about that show anymore. Yeah there's the whole 90's show thing on Netflix but it seems like a dud. I would compare that 70's show final season too Game of Thrones final; season both , kinda, destroyed nostalgia for both shows that's "impressive" in a morbid way
@@ian_5184you are not the only one. There’s always been something extremely off-putting about that show to me. It’s cringe. Doesn’t help that most of the cast ended up being assholes and defended Danny Masterson. Topher Grace seems cool though.
I remember at 12 years old in September 2006 watching Til Death and watched the first 3 episodes thinking that the principal character was the brad garret character in the past(based on the shows commercials showing "first 20 days of marriage vs first 7000 days of marriage") and that the show went back and forth showing the differences of marriage from first year to (circa 20th year) but it was just a lame show of the brad garret character giving dreaded advice to the principal character of marriage. And watched the first episode of Happy Hour then got bored and went to play an old pc game I only ever played once in 2003 called "Arthur's Thinking Games".
I very much appreciate that your little animated character guy is actually DIFFERENT then the others I’ve seen, where they’re all furry fan art or just anime style drawings where every single TH-camr tries to make themselves seem like this super cool badass handsome character and all of them are just doing what I Hate Everything basically pioneered but worse, yours feels closer to IHE in the way there’s actual personality in the drawings
When they announced the new show called prison break, I told someone that the idea is shortsighted and stupid. I then accurately predicted that they would have to break IN to the prison if it made it to season 2. I hate wasting time and money...even if it's not mine
So many shows with concepts that any sane person hear and think "okay, but where does this go after one season or so?". So much time to develop a network TV show and most of the time it's like no one stops and thinks.
I love failed shows. Some actor thinks they've got their big break, a lead role in a TV show on a major network, and it gets cancelled and their dream is over
i remember watching the winner as a 12 yr old who just stumbled upon it while channel surfing and it always lived in my mind but i could never remember what the show was called or anything abt it really to find it again lol
I ended up watching all off 'Til Death on a streaming site. Mainly because it was the first thing in the list. The last season was really weird. I don't recall any of the other shows. I don't even recall what I was doing that year anyways.
18:31 - we might need to define what the term "no one" means; you can look at the 50% Tomatometer and the Critics Consensus all you want, but that 83% Audience Score tells a different story.
Of course nowadays, Fox has a habit of giving new shows a second season before the first season even premieres. Also, it still makes no sense to me to scrap The Wedding Album after one episode, only to replace it with The Wedding Bells.
@@justaguy5770the NBA championship is called the NBA Finals. The NFL has the Super Bowl, The NHL the Stanley Cup Finals. The MLB has the World Series. It just is what it is.
The only show from this line up that I remember watching was The Winner. I was such a huge Family Guy Fan in 2006, so anything with Seth MacFarlane had my interest. And I feel like you downplayed Fox's Sunday night block. Fox famously had shows like The Simpsons and X- Files in their Sunday night spot for years. Animation Domination became a big programing block for them sometime after, so I really don't think Sunday night on Fox is as big of a Death slot as it might have been on other networks. The happy ending for the Winner is that Rob Corddry went on to create Children's Hospital, which also starred himself, along with Erinn Hayes, who was also on The Winner.
I remember both Justice and Vanished. They both had the potential to be really good shows, but they wasted their great casts with lackluster writing and then got overshadowed by Heroes.
The between Simpsons and Family Guy slot is a good time. But putting the Winner on twice makes no sense They were not worried about dividing the time of McFarlane, at one point, he was there Sunday schedule.
I remember watching The Winner a few times when it was on, largely because I still watched new Simpsons and Family Guy that year and it would play between the two. I remember liking it and long assumed its failure was due to sitcoms dropping in popularity. Such a shame it was a victim of studio meddling and most of it is lost media now
I vaguely remember the Winner... I think I recorded the show because I used to record Fox Sunday fully... but all those tapes are in storage somewhere.
I feel like Fox became notorious for canceling things after a handful of episodes or a first season. I know I was burned by them enough times that I stopped trying out new shows entirely because I didn't want to waste my time getting invested in something that was going to get canceled after a single season.
@@heathen_6_6_6you don’t make over $350,000/year, dum dum. You were never in any danger of “communism” affecting you. You’re going to be burdened with additional costs brought on by tariffs. Congrats, you stupid yank
definitely never would've heard of any of these from this era, I would've been watching Heroes around this point in time and wouldn't have been a fan of cop shows.
of the ones you were describing, I think The Winner sounded the most interesting. Mostly becasue of the Family Guy connection and not knowing this was something Seth McFarland did.
Peter: Everybody, I've got bad news. We've been cancelled.
Lois: Oh, no! Peter, how could they do that?
Peter: Well, unfortunately, Lois, there's just no more room on the schedule. We've just got to accept the fact that Fox has to make room for terrific shows like Dark Angel, Titus, Undeclared, Action, That '80s Show, Wonderfalls, Fastlane, Andy Richter Controls the Universe, Skin, Girls Club, Cracking Up, The Pitts, Firefly, Get Real, FreakyLinks, Wanda at Large, Costello, The Lone Gunmen, A Minute With Stan Hooper, Normal, Ohio, Pasadena, Harsh Realm, Keen Eddie, The $treet, American Embassy, Cedric the Entertainer, The Tick, Luis and Greg the Bunny.
Lois: Is there no hope?
Peter: Well, I suppose if all those shows go down the tubes, we might have a shot.
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thats not only the funniest joke they ever had on the show, it was also the last of the truly funny jokes.
I dont know if it qualifies as ironic or not, but after Family Guy came back the writing got incredibly lazy and the show took a nose dive.
Futurama also left and came back and when they did it was different, I could feel it. And I never laughed out loud, like I had in the earlier seasons.
@@Shorty_Lickens I dropped it after this past season on Hulu finished airing. Other folks were saying the magic's gone online too. Out of all of the episodes I watched this past season, only the finale and one other one was good. I was like yeah this is a waste of time to watch so I'm done. I hope the King of the Hill revival's good as this was a letdown and further cements that these revivals are only being done simply because they can't come up with nothing else.
@@Ziko577 Yup. Part of it is the industry can't make anything better. Another issue is just based on viewer numbers it seems nostalgia is a lot more popular than originality. Most people just arent watching anything thats genuinely new or original. Same with movies. We can complain about Hollywoods lack of ideas but the truth is old stuff like franchises and nostalgia projects (reboots, remakes) perform much better in the box office. Our apathy is the real problem. We do it to ourselves.
@@Shorty_Lickens I've gotten to that point myself a while ago. I tend to watch much older stuff than what's out these days myself.
Fun fact about some of these shows getting silently canceled during the "baseball finals" is that the 2006 World Series (hosted by Fox) is also one of the lowest-rated World Series since baseball came to television (because literally no one cared about the 2 teams outside of the 2 cities they played for).
That's some pretty delicious cosmic irony right there.
And yet it's 2007 that's widely considered the "worst" World Series.
Either the narrator either knows nothing about “MLB Baseball” or refuses to use the MLB World Series title because other than Toronto a couple of times, all of the teams playing are U.S. based.
FYI Actually Blue Jays Beard every World Series has been shown since television started operating full time right after WW2. For most of its television history either on NBC and since 1996 on Fox.
Yeah fox had a love hate relationship with playoffs/world series--ratings were good/killed any momentum the fall season had with late October leading into early November the break killed almost everything...luckily 24/american idol came in the fall and took up 3 of their nights--plus prison break was a hit to place in fall...also house/animation sun/bones/70s show covered most the rest leaving little room for the bombs of fall.
Hey I cared about the cardinals!! But yeah lol they won with the technically worst ws winning team ever, against a tigers team no one really cared about lol
@@andrewwertz3335 As a Yankee fan winning a WS title is an accomplishment. Even if the 2006 Cardinals gets roasted and dissed by many MLB/Sports Analysts and Historians as the worst MLB Champion of all time. Teams as of end of the 2024 season such as the Rays, Padres and Mariners would be thrilled at just 1 ring. 💍 😱
Yay, I'm glad you've gone back to this! I have a weird fondness for failed sitcoms, there's almost something liminal about these brief glimpses into an unrealized world.
Eh, not as liminal as the Saban Moon pilot.
I plan to make similar videos about Freaks and Geeks, because that is a well-regarded cult classic that tried and failed to be a "dramedy" and Imaginary Mary because that is a live-action-CG animated hybrid that websites for watching cartoons are still willing to preserve even though most of it is live-action, like Mary Poppins, the Supernatural episode Scoobynatural, Christoper Robin, Mary Poppins Returns, and The Fairly OddParents: Fairly Odder.
Same here
I do, too, considering how some of the access ones are now tainted by sleaze and scandal, and sometimes it is fun to wonder what could’ve been if certain failed concepts had been done right. It’s also interesting to consider that some flops flopping pave the way for future successes.
“Imaginary Mary” is not a thing and is a form of confession through projection as she is just the yt girl cover version of Uncle Remus and not even a good one at that!
I barely payed attention to Fox's 2006 season because I thought that 'American Idol' had such A firm grip on the network that no scripted show would stand A chance against it. So for me, there was no hope for Fox in my eyes. It was no longer the network known for 'Married With Children', The Simpsons', and 'In Living Color' anymore, but where shows get crushed by 'American Idol', or 'Kitchen Nightmares'. So I moved onto cable, and streaming, but even that wouldn't last long.
It’s funny how you mentioned American Idol. While editing the video, I found an AD that combined ‘Til Death with American Idol, as ‘Til Death’s Season 1 Finale aired just before. It’s at 17:39 of this video.
I wasn't watching Fox in 2006. American Idol turned me off to Fox. That & how crappy the Simpsons had gotten. So all these failed shows I don't remember, but I am somewhat familiar with Til Death, only cause I vaguely remember seeing ads for it, & it was being shown in reruns, for years afterwards.
I was only watching Fox on Sunday by that point. That was the only network TV I was watching at all except for the final Bob Barker season of *The Price is Right.*
*Family Guy* coming back made the shitsons even more irrelevant than they had already become.
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The Winner is basically the Chris Elliot show "Get a Life."
but not funny
Oh, I remember him- he was my classmate at handsome boy modeling school
Sparkles? @@thepolarphantasm2319
I loved Get A Life but damned if I can find it in reruns or streaming or even those "other sources".
I really loved Get A Life. I never realized the masses didn’t
I figured the only reason Til Death was kept was because of syndication or because they paid Brad Garrett a bunch up front and wanted to make sure they got what they paid for
I watched another video on 'Til Death. In the final season it basically turned into a weird meta-comedy where the daughter's boyfriend became self-aware that he was living in a sitcom. They even got Mayim Bialik to play herself as his therapist and she point blank tells him that she played Blossom.
That's rad. My favorite example of that happening is Moonlighting from the 80s (holy crap, what a show... and what a trainwreck!)
The finale of the show involved the set being broken down around them and they run to the head of network to find out it's one of the characters' exes from the first season (actual director of the show, and also all the good Adam Sandler movies) who tells them they're cancelled because nobody likes them anymore.
In reality Cybill shepherd couldn't handle her role in Hollywood as an aging star actress, especially when her unknown costar Bruce Willis made Die Hard between seasons 3 and 4... So by the time they started shooting S4 he was the biggest movie star on the planet not named Eddie Murphy
I remember watching Til Death quite a bit in reruns as a kid. I thought it was alright. The rest of these shows I don't remember.
I just recently discovered a vhs tape full of recordings from fox in 2006.
@LC_Games I don't think so but I am hoping to have it on the archive soon.
Any Family Guy?
@@ArtieArchives Yes in fact there was one family guy episode
@@GINTegg Probably a season 4 episode
I was recording on DVD by that point. I just hope my home recordings have stood the test of time since I left them at my parents’ house when I moved out of it.
What happened with Fox during the 2006 Television Seasons is a lesson on what Networks shouldn't do.
Fun fact: The leads on Standoff (Ron Livingston and Rosemarie DeWitt) ended up married after meeting on the show. So at least one good thing came out of it lol.
Fox cancels everything, except for the Simpsons!
Facts
“Ten thousand dollars?! You’ve saved my network!”
“Wouldn’t be the first time.”
….and the Simpsons hasn’t been funny in, oh, I don’t know, 25 years….
That show consistently makes them bank and now Disney.
There’s something so funny to me about the phrase “lost to time” being used about shows from the mid 2000s
Lorne michaels said in the Kids of the Hall doc.... if you get greenlit for a season 3 there is usually always a season 4. For the reason you said. Its an investment. and Til Death this runs on TV around here
I remember Justice. I actually liked it. I honestly only remember watching two or three episodes, and it was gone. It may have been a law and order "inspired" show but I really was into crime and courtroom dramas, still am. Since I was kind of young, I just thought I missed all of the season and not that it was moved to another time slot.
I loved it. Found the show on TH-cam and rewatched it. I love the premise. Start with the defendant being arrested and lawyers starting the spin. Going through building the defense, trial, then verdict. Then you get what actually happened. You get to be jury member and find out if your verdict was the right choice.
These Seven Shows are FOX’s Seven Deadly Sins
They are still here now.
There was a game show that aired on FOX called Greed.
Keep in mind it wasn’t fox that owned Til death. It was Sony. It got a second season because it did well after American Idol, season 3 because Back to You was too expensive and Season 4 because Sony lowered the license fee to dirt cheap, Sony benefitted from syndication. They aggressive strategies got a lot of shows on canceled like community, drop dead Diva, and others.
American Idol and 'Til Death were TV's biggest hits.
It's renewals each year had much more to do with International then domestic. Sony had alot of channels globally that needed content both original in prime time and for syndication through the day. US Network sitcoms especially back then were often simple, its setup, punchline, setup, punchline with broad jokes because it needs to find an audience in a large and diverse country, when you go away from that formula with more complex jokes and layering of jokes then its harder to get an audience as the likes of Arrested Development highlighted. That however also benefits it internationally as simpler joke structure and simpler jokes are easier to translate. 'Til Death was doing pretty well on a number of their international channels, well enough that reducing how much the licence fee to fox was
to a point that in Season 4 it was almost free while also slashing production budgets each year so Fox's contribution to these was low made sense. All they cared about was getting fox to make the contribution to production costs so it stayed on the air so they could make more from international rights than they ever did for demomstic
@@SimonWakefieldUK they ran a new episode against the Super Bowl
From 2006-2011 the only two shows I remember people talking about in school was 24 and prison break.
standoff sounds like every new cop show today!
2006 was an extremely good year for me. Back then the only TV that really mattered to me was Adult Swim.
2006 in the Adult Swim world was actually a pretty banger year. You had Harvey Birdman, ATHF, Venture Bros, and new shows like Frisky Dingo and Metalocalypse.
Early-mid 2000s Adult Swim was the best
Yeah that was the PEAK year for AS imo.
@@superorangecat6937 OH by FAR. They had to extend the time slot to 10:30 because they had like 10 or 12 shows that were either debuting or airing a new season. They had new episodes for different shows for 2 and a half hours straight. You don't see that nowadays and they have a longer block.
Yeah. And adult videos on youporn
What’s interesting is that they canceled almost all their comedies after the 2005 to 2006 season which was pretty bad but they got bones and prison break out of it and then they tried simplifying 2006 2007 by having their three dramas prison break, bones and house lead into new dramas, but all those new dramas failed. They tried to rebuild the Comedy block that failed, and they ended up saving one going into the next season, which was screwed over by the strike anyway, but since programs less hours they could afford to start over.
No Rich List? That’s unironically my favorite dropped pilot of all time.
The 2006 Screener DVD didn’t have “Rich List”. But wow, I cannot imagine being canceled after a single airing.
Most likely the reason it wasn’t on the screener dvd is because it’s a game show and not a narrative based show, for some reason networks don’t like putting non-reality game shows on home media or streaming.
Sunday between Simpsons and family guy was actually a prime spot
I never watched happy hour but I loved that it finally let me find out that my favorite commercial actor at the time was named Lex Medlin
''till Death really was a crazy case
ah yes the classic "Baseball Final" . Tell me you're not a sports fan without actually saying you're not a sports fan.
Big "sportsball" vibes
@@d0llgangI’m a huge nfl fan and call it “sportball” all the time. Probably because of UrinatingTree, but I just fw it.
Touchdown
Streamed on MySpace wasn't a sentence I've thought I would ever hear in my life.
I bet there are ABC pilot demo VHS/DVDs somewhere out there from 2001, since I have an on-off interest towards the failed pilot of an American version of a British miniseries called "Metropolis", which tells the story of the lives of a group of friends after graduating from college. One of the reasons why is because Michael E. Rodgers, the actor of C. Junior in the children's film "Thomas and the Magic Railroad", played Nate, a stalker-with-a-crush type of character who loves one of the protagonists, and I did end up finding a full script (but I forgot where I found it), but very little info and no footage was found, and it was confused with an anime film with the same name.
Ok, Brad Garrett's quotes made me laugh harder than anything on TV in recent memory.
I never watched Til Death until its final season, and it was because I was constantly blazed at college and found the literal 4th wall arc the most hilarious thing ever, especially the meta Blossom reuinion. Simpler time, that.
@@SubRosalina yeah you could tell the writers said screw it at that point it was really interesting
Man the algorithm did me proud with recommending this video! I think I’ve found a new channel to binge watch.
I know this is random but I'd love to see you do a video on either King Of Queens or Family Matters. Those are some of my favorite sitcoms that I don't think you have talked about yet.
look up TH-camr “Vee Infuso” he’s got a video for every season and damn near every character for Family Matters. Haha
Once again, thank you so much for letting me edit this video.
I don’t know if I asked you this, but what software do you use to edit these videos?
@@CJBStudiosPremiere Pro
@@KawikaProductions That’s pretty cool.
Do you happen to know what's the name of the song used for 7:45 - 9:55?
I remember watching the winner and loving it, its the only show on this list i remember existing!
I think "external" factors also helped explain why Til Death lasted. It wasnt a hit but it was marketable and there was... promise. But in 2007, (not even in fall, but in Spring) you had Rules of Engagement, a show that was basically Til Death but focused and refined (long married couple and their shenanigans with a fresher couple) and with an arguably better cast (Brad Garrett is great but man, Patrick Warburton is basically an upgraded version of him lol)
Rules of Engagement not needing these massive seasons and getting strong as hell ratings for a medium level show probably contributed to Fox going "hey, maybe we still stand a chance"
"Patrick Warburton is an upgraded Brad Garrett" is the most offensive 110% true statement I've ever heard.
In 2005, I stopped watching television. I had never seen these shows, and from the look of it, I didn't miss anything.
Really good video! I know Fox has had some rough years in the past, but Jesus...
You could do a video like this for nearly every season of tv on Fox. That channel just ate its young. So many one season shows. Even really good shows. Just mindblowing.
One of the shows is called Vanished , that should tell you something . Lol
“It is like everybody loves Raymond and married with children, except not funny”
So you are saying it is like everybody loves Raymond.
Hey, since you’re officially done talking about _Ren & Stimpy_ , are you going to make a playlist on all the videos you’ve done covering it?
Didn’t realize things were that for fox in 2006
I don’t know if I asked you this, but what software do you use to edit these videos?
@@CJBStudios He doesn’t.
@@HispanicToddendale oh, I thought he was somebody else. Sorry.
Because even in spite of all of this, they still had the biggest show on television in the midst of its absolute peak (I’m like 90% certain 2006 was the American Idol season that got the biggest ratings of its entire run)
The reason most people didn’t realize is because Fox programs the least amount of hours it’s so easy for them to start over. In 2007 they just introduced a new drama and a new comedy and some unscripted and then they had American Idol in the spring and then they ended up being OK.
The Winner reminded me of Get a Life. At least Fox gave that one a second season.
I loved *Get a Life.* I wish they could have “Spam,” made the Weird Al Yankovic version REM’s “Stand,” the theme instead of the OG.
Oh man, i remember both Happy Hour and Til Death vividly. I remember being so saddened by what they ended up turning Til Death into.
Back the I was also sad about the cancelation of Happy Hour, but i was 15 yeas old so i didn't have the best taste in television, cause i haven't seen the pilot since 2006 and i still remember it not aging well.
My parents were die hard fans of til' death so I kinda remember that one.
I remember brother from "Everybody Loves Raymond" and the guy from "American Pie" show. In my coutry we have side channels that buy those shows and air it. Cant say a lot about the rest but now I want to see "The Winner" lol
You can find all the episodes on TH-cam
14:57 While you’re right that doubling up on episodes is usually a sign the network wants to burn through the order, in more recent years I’ve seen networks like FX do that with successful shows (or at least shows they want to succeed). Three that spring immediately to mind are It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia, What We Do in the Shadows, and Archer. All of those saw at least a couple seasons roll out episodes two at a time, and they still usually air the first two episodes of new seasons back-to-back.
Ron LIvingston has been in a ton of movies and shows that didnt perform well. Shame cuz he is a good actor. If anyone missed it theres a short lived series called Loudermilk where he plays a recovering alcoholic and its actually good. Not many people saw it.
I'd love to know how much money those 3 am syndication deals actually brought in.
Yeah outside of Til Death I haven't heard of any of these. Ironic cause 2007 was the start of the TV Renaissance
I distinctly remember seeing posters for Stand-off at my local mall.
4:07 I saw that ticking clock during the Standoff section of this video which just made me wanna go back and rewatch 24 for something like the fifth or sixth time.
Just want to acknowledge your joke where every shot of Family Guy in the video is either Peter getting high on Red Bull or the injured knee gag. Good stuff
"baseball finals" lol
Fox Sunday was actually a very popular night for them. The Simpsons, King of the Hill, Family Guy, Malcom in the Middle, X-Files, and American Dad all aired on Sunday night over the years. MTV had a popular Sunday night lineup in the late 90s/early 2000s of WWF Sunday Night Heat, Celebrity Deathmatch, and Jackass.
Sunday night was one of the most hyped nights for TV for middle schoolers, teens, and young adults.
Wait a minute, in episode 3 of the Extra-Cast, you said this to Billy when talking about _The Winner_ :
“If you put on ‘From the creator of _Family Guy_ ,’ it’d be a lie because Ricky Blitt was the number 1 dude.”
So does that mean Ricky actually created the show? Because Billy said he came up with the concept and Seth McFarlane was an afterthought.
Please expand on this.
@@Attmay.
If I had to guess, Seth had some minor contributions, but was given equal billing to improve the chances of the show getting greenlit; I suggest this, as it is the case for Bordertown (another short-lived Fox comedy).
After what FOX did to Arrested Development they deserve the year they got.
I remember Fox really wanted Til Death to be the new Married with Children.
I've never heard the world series referred to as the "baseball finals." That gave me a genuine chuckle.
Kind of funny that it came out a day after I watched a crappy Simpsons ripoff from Argetina called "La Familia Tipo".
On the show The Winner, that patch of hair on Glen’s otherwise bald head, looks like a bruise in certain shots.
Wow I remember watching The Winner when it aired on Sunday and watching Til Death on Sundays as a kid. In fact Til Death got the same issue as The Winner but worse they would air three episodes in the night then on Thursday when Family Guy would sometimes get a new episode they would put a Til Death episode there. The syndication on my end in the US is even funnier my CW aired the show in the afternoon for a year but once they got a different show they dropped it off their network and it went to My Network TV and if you know how messy that network is it makes it's fate the funniest.
So glad I found your channel❤
I'm not a sitcoms kinda guy but even these sound like trash. I like hearing about the network side of tv. I'd love to see more!
Talking about Fox giving the Winner a bad timeslot, it reminds me of how Adult Swim is giving Smiling Friends their worst timeslot (midnight sunday into monday) despite it being one of their most successful shows, likely because they don't want it competing too hard with their golden child, Rick and Morty.
“Baseball Finals” lol
The final season of That 70s Show was so bad fans were completely turned off from watching ANY of the re-runs.
Great point no one even talks about that show anymore. Yeah there's the whole 90's show thing on Netflix but it seems like a dud. I would compare that 70's show final season too Game of Thrones final; season both , kinda, destroyed nostalgia for both shows that's "impressive" in a morbid way
I watched the reruns but not any s8, well until the rape stuff....
Am I the only one that thought the entire series was god awful and unwatchable garbage?
@@ian_5184you are not the only one. There’s always been something extremely off-putting about that show to me. It’s cringe. Doesn’t help that most of the cast ended up being assholes and defended Danny Masterson. Topher Grace seems cool though.
I remember at 12 years old in September 2006 watching Til Death and watched the first 3 episodes thinking that the principal character was the brad garret character in the past(based on the shows commercials showing "first 20 days of marriage vs first 7000 days of marriage") and that the show went back and forth showing the differences of marriage from first year to (circa 20th year) but it was just a lame show of the brad garret character giving dreaded advice to the principal character of marriage. And watched the first episode of Happy Hour then got bored and went to play an old pc game I only ever played once in 2003 called "Arthur's Thinking Games".
Till Death only got interest because of Brad Garrett being from Everybody Love Raymond.
I very much appreciate that your little animated character guy is actually DIFFERENT then the others I’ve seen, where they’re all furry fan art or just anime style drawings where every single TH-camr tries to make themselves seem like this super cool badass handsome character and all of them are just doing what I Hate Everything basically pioneered but worse, yours feels closer to IHE in the way there’s actual personality in the drawings
I remember the first episode of Till Death and thinking "so basically everybody loves Raymond but with his brother"
Rob Cordry was so good on the Daily Show in the 2000s.
When they announced the new show called prison break, I told someone that the idea is shortsighted and stupid. I then accurately predicted that they would have to break IN to the prison if it made it to season 2. I hate wasting time and money...even if it's not mine
So many shows with concepts that any sane person hear and think "okay, but where does this go after one season or so?". So much time to develop a network TV show and most of the time it's like no one stops and thinks.
I honestly thought 'Til Death was ok, but with the premise constantly changing, it was never going to win.
The winner and 'till death were actually pretty good imo 😁
I wouldn't know. I was too busy watching football.
I love failed shows. Some actor thinks they've got their big break, a lead role in a TV show on a major network, and it gets cancelled and their dream is over
i remember watching the winner as a 12 yr old who just stumbled upon it while channel surfing and it always lived in my mind but i could never remember what the show was called or anything abt it really to find it again lol
I ended up watching all off 'Til Death on a streaming site. Mainly because it was the first thing in the list. The last season was really weird. I don't recall any of the other shows. I don't even recall what I was doing that year anyways.
I don’t remember any of these shows and i vaguely remember Til Death.
Great video! "til Death" was on at 6 pm in syndication in Detroit. That's like prime time of syndication! But you're right. It was a horrible series!
18:31 - we might need to define what the term "no one" means; you can look at the 50% Tomatometer and the Critics Consensus all you want, but that 83% Audience Score tells a different story.
Except it’s 7 critics to 10 fans which is very low
It's actually more likely that percentage will be higher if there are fewer people giving ratings.
Of course nowadays, Fox has a habit of giving new shows a second season before the first season even premieres. Also, it still makes no sense to me to scrap The Wedding Album after one episode, only to replace it with The Wedding Bells.
I’ve NEVER heard of any of these shows!
I'm getting irrationally angry every time this guy says "baseball finals." It's the freakin' World Series.
Sounds like the same thing. Do other countries play in the world series or is it just an American thing
@@justaguy5770the NBA championship is called the NBA Finals. The NFL has the Super Bowl, The NHL the Stanley Cup Finals. The MLB has the World Series. It just is what it is.
As a baseball fan (sigh ... my poor Red Sox), I find it strangely endearing. Clearly, I don't think he's a big baseball guy.
@ our poor Red Sox indeed
No. The Super Bowl has always been called “Football Final”. Duh
So glad we lost Arrested Development in exchange for all of these
I remember the days of Prison Break, 24, and The shield on Fox and FX.
The only show from this line up that I remember watching was The Winner. I was such a huge Family Guy Fan in 2006, so anything with Seth MacFarlane had my interest. And I feel like you downplayed Fox's Sunday night block. Fox famously had shows like The Simpsons and X- Files in their Sunday night spot for years. Animation Domination became a big programing block for them sometime after, so I really don't think Sunday night on Fox is as big of a Death slot as it might have been on other networks. The happy ending for the Winner is that Rob Corddry went on to create Children's Hospital, which also starred himself, along with Erinn Hayes, who was also on The Winner.
I remember both Justice and Vanished. They both had the potential to be really good shows, but they wasted their great casts with lackluster writing and then got overshadowed by Heroes.
I still miss The War at Home. Idk why tho
The between Simpsons and Family Guy slot is a good time.
But putting the Winner on twice makes no sense
They were not worried about dividing the time of McFarlane, at one point, he was there Sunday schedule.
I remember watching The Winner a few times when it was on, largely because I still watched new Simpsons and Family Guy that year and it would play between the two. I remember liking it and long assumed its failure was due to sitcoms dropping in popularity. Such a shame it was a victim of studio meddling and most of it is lost media now
I vaguely remember the Winner... I think I recorded the show because I used to record Fox Sunday fully... but all those tapes are in storage somewhere.
I feel like Fox became notorious for canceling things after a handful of episodes or a first season. I know I was burned by them enough times that I stopped trying out new shows entirely because I didn't want to waste my time getting invested in something that was going to get canceled after a single season.
3:08 Did you just call the World Series the "baseball finals?" 🤢
Does that tighten the band on your MAGA hat beyond comfort?
@JohnDaubSuperfan369 How you doin' tonight, commie? 😂
@@heathen_6_6_6you don’t make over $350,000/year, dum dum. You were never in any danger of “communism” affecting you. You’re going to be burdened with additional costs brought on by tariffs. Congrats, you stupid yank
If you're not a sports fan there's no reason you'd know it's called the world series.
The Fox 2006 season had another one-episode wonder: the game show "The Rich List."
definitely never would've heard of any of these from this era, I would've been watching Heroes around this point in time and wouldn't have been a fan of cop shows.
i watched til death at every time they put it on lol
of the ones you were describing, I think The Winner sounded the most interesting. Mostly becasue of the Family Guy connection and not knowing this was something Seth McFarland did.