As a Pakistani woman, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for covering this case. Besides the gender inequality issue and the crimes against women, an issue to highlight is the parents of Boys who think they have a right to ruin a woman’s life just because they want a girl to fix their son they can’t fix themselves.
@asmagul8135 As awful as this may sounds, I wish women around the world woke up to the truth & stop birthing boys. This has been happening to us women around the globe, since forever. We need to start choosing better. Will never have peace with too many boys being born, while they are just as active un-aliving women at great rates & starting wars at the drop of a hat everywhere, always plunging everyone back into the dark ages with every war they start, which is always most devastating to women. We can't control them. Even mother earth is now acting bipolar because of the stress, these males & their greed are putting her through. The numbers & the history just shows who they are. If we keep pushing them out, nothing will change, not in 20-40-80-or 120 years. Nothing! Will never have peace either.
Exactly and the amount of comments I’ve read blaming Noor for going out or not being religious enough is crazy…it’s all irrelevant but they keep bringing it up omg
@@StarAreebaGoRandom What the hell is wrong with people, I mean how disgusting and cruel do you have to be to blame a dead woman for something that she had no control over. Why not blame the real culprit, Zahir he's the one who murdered Noor
@@Johnne009*Women all over the world, the West very much included. Do a bit of digging, and you'll find many cases of women and girls getting assaulted and/or murdered for turning down a guy.
the fact that this took a diplomat's daughter to bring attention to things like this happening is absolutely disgusting, the rage i feel right now is immeasureable.
my thoughts exactly. im very glad he didnt get away w such an awful crime but had this been done to a common girl, i doubt as many actions wouldve been taken against him.
@create306 "Oh my house was looted" "Oh my cat was killed by someone for fun" "oh my mom died on the street because of mysogynistic culture that the government isnt doing much about" "Cant get mad about all of it tho, since i couldnt do anything about it"
@create306it's about taking lessons from such incidents & protesting against these incidents . Raising your son to be a noble person, not entitled sociopath. His parents knew about anger and ego issues. It also teaches us, not to lie to parents about friends and whom you have been meeting & Parents to be careful.
Nora's father sounds like an intelligent man .. "this is not about my daughter, it is about all daughters". Nora did nothing wrong. It is the coward murder's fault, 100%.
I am betting that he only got sentenced because she is a dimplomats daughter. A "noble woman". She was someone with prestige and so much privilege. If it would be someone like you or me, he would have been released and set free. It's shameful...
@@amnakakakhel1181 what’s up with sharia laws in these countries ? Why do they always get a slap in the wrist rather than getting a proper punishment smh 🤦🏻♀️ it’s tiring how this cases of abused never ends !
This man is a demon. I pray Noor rests in peace and the demon is taunted by evil spirits for the rest of his life. That includes the parents and the so-called therapists.
We all cried when he was given the death penalty. Noor's father would wear a Pakistani flag badge every day and appear in court, he said that Pakistan would give him justice. He also made sure that everyone had a place to sit and he also arranged food for whoever came to support his daughter. Thank you for covering this. This and Zainab's case will be the heaviest cases in Pakistan's history.
This is so upsetting. Recently - in England, a 17 year old boy stabbed a 15 year old girl and killed her - because she defended her friend for refusing flowers from him. Will there be a day where woman don't have to fear being killed for telling a man "No" ?!? This hit hard as this murder happened in my local area. The boy is in custody at the moment - I hope he never gets out. Edit: This comment was not made to say men don’t experience abuse too. Just because it’s reported less DOESNT mean it’s not a real problem.
Men get abused too. I've seen far more men be the victim of a abusive relationship than men.. no one should hurt anyone especially someone who loves them. when a woman is hit by her male partner, everyone comes to her rescue and supports her. But, when a man is hit by a woman, everyone just laughs it off like "oh my girlfriend is crazy too, I hate when she does that" he's too afraid of judgement to ask for help. Also, women are more likely to not let a man go out or be jealous or check his phone. Just saying.
@@tiffanybuie2263and everything you’ve said doesn’t change anything about op’s comment. I could say the same thing as you : I’ve seen more women being in abuse relationships than men. When a woman is abused a lot of times people, mainly men, ask if she was « a good wife ». YES abusive against men should be talked about more but don’t act as if victims of domestic abuse (both men a women) don’t get ignored when speaking out or even shamed. This has nothing to do with jealousy, those people are DERANGED, in both cases, those men KILLED just bc of rejection, it’s not just petty anger. Those poor girls were SHAMED for existing, open you eyes.
@@tiffanybuie2263give me one instance of a man being murdered because he refused a girl’s advances my point is you’re trying to make it seems like its equal but its not, this isnt even about abusive relationships, its plain misogynistic murder, all genders have jealousy and possessive tendencies, anyone saying into “women does it more”/“men do it more” without substantial evidence is falling into anecdotal fallacy and no way you used “my girlfriend is crazy” in that way, hysteria was diagnosed to women as a literal illness, for things like anxiety, when women would express any form of negative emotions, they just got shoved aside, not taken seriously and called crazy “everyone comes to her rescue…..” that is so false, like please research anything you’re saying, thats only portrayed in movies which is not reality, in reality, those (male) abusers become judges, politicians, celebrities etc and face little consequences
I’m from Bangladesh. During the lockdown, a 17 year old girl was assaulted so harshly she ended up succumbing to her injuries and dying. She had her whole life ahead of her, but since the rapist was her boyfriend (who was a minor), he got bailed in the same day. We still hold candlelit vigils and protests for the victim, it’s been a year since she’s been gone. Cases like these are so common it’s not even highlighted by mainstream media outlets anymore, sometimes I feel it’s for the better because the victim blaming is insane. It causes so much more pain for the victims families. Her name was Aurna Amin. May her soul be at peace. But even with such national outrage she got no justice. This is a very dark and sad reason behind why so many south asian women want to move abroad and leave their childhood homes behind
I'm from Bangladesh too and I remember this case very well but didnt knew that the evil boyfriend got away with it.Thats just really sad and heart breaking.May she rest in peace.
The neighbour going to the police instead of calling them is because the police in my country is notorious for showing up when everything is already done. So the neighbour going to the police actually shows the urgency in this situation
Yupp. Same in my country too. Except going there physically won't change anything. You can't shame the shameless😂😂 Americans don't know they've won the lottery. 😂
@@TheOnr-rh1ybOh yes we do!! You seriously think we don't appreciate what we have?? Do you not know how many Americans fly the flag or sing the national anthem? We're very grateful for what we have. We literally FOUGHT & DIED FOR IT. We know.
@TheOnr-rh1yb americans won nothing, calling the pilice here means they show up an hour late, shoot your dog 6 times, and arrest you for suspicious activity, then they tell you they'll "do their best" to find the guy who killed your family member
@@ItsNotReallyWork“we literally FOUGHT & DIED FOR IT” since when were you appointed to speak for all americans lol our militarized police force has the third highest military funding in the world (the actual US military being no. 1, mind you) and that’s NOT a good thing. officers are so shameless they kell people on camera and/or in public, like what kind of sick lottery is that ???
As a Pakistani myself I can't thank you enough to shed light on Noor's case. I don't have words to describe how shattered women around Pakistan felt and how disgusted we felt by certain police officers trying to shame Noor and ruin her reputation. May we don't have we see any more Noors and may her soul rest in peace.
I am so sorry to hear this is how the police responded. So many strong brave Pakistani women and women around the world deserve better than this sad excuse for male behavior- it’s less than human!
@lallianzama3549 oh please don't bring religion into this, not even the nationality etc... what this guy did here is solely on him. People tend to always try to pinpoint a certain group whenever someone from the same group does something bad. There are a lot of other criminals from other nationalities, from other religions... if such are the teachings of a religion as widespread as Islam, wouldn't the world be filled with such criminals?
@@lallianzama3549 it has nothing to do with religion but rather then the mentality of controlling women and poor parenting. All around the world for centuries women has been subjected to violence and abuse just because she dared said NO to a man. Violence, abuse, harassment, murder it doesn't have a race or religion, those who commit crimes are just criminals and sick twisted beings.
Judging by his father's reaction.....this might not be the first time he did something.....his father is 100% responsible and in some way killed her......imagine being calm knowing ur son has been raping and kidnapping someone....especially someone you possibly know since she was a child.....
Part of me thinks he was involved in the murder. Not in the sense of negligence but was actually actively involved in the plot. Like some kind of honor killing thing.
21:15 the poor dog is trying to help her by barking because he is trying to protect Noor, also the way he is following her in. This story is really heartbreaking. Noor lives on in people's hearts for being beautiful, and tolerant, and loving, and trying to help till the very end.
Well, even diplomat women wasn't taken seriously before. This guy with connections, family name and reputation would probably not have been punished 30-40 years ago in this country. Instead of complaining how unfair and unjust life is, celebrate progress. it has to start somewhere. Of course rights to all women are the goal and something we all should fight for.
I went to her funeral! Her family and friends gathered in a park for a candle light peaceful protest, I've seen her friends hugging each other and crying.. It was so heart breaking
My sympathy and condolences to you and your friends. What lovely friends Nora had. It must have been so difficult for you and the family. What a tragedy that happened from a immature child . Can't even call him a man. The staff needed to let her go. I hope they all got jailed. My blood boiled when I seen the 2 guards trying not to let Nora go. And that immature child not even a man. How pathetic how he walked over to her. I wish Nora just said yes I'll marry you so she could just escape. I know it's easy said then done. My heart break because in India money talks and bullsh_t walks. People are bought for silence. I believe he was in the right frame of mind.
How sad for you! It must have been devastating for all her friends. I can’t even imagine her family’s pain. The therapist should be charged.He dropped the ball.
This case broke my heart so much when it came to attention. As a Pakistani woman, I was and still am so angry that this shit happens and if her father and family weren't willing to fight for her or didn't have the power and money to do so, it would have easily been swept under the rug like countless other cases do.
I still think of your brave, intelligent and beautiful president Benazir Bhutto and the terrible fate that befell her. The hatred against women needs to end. But how? _May Allah bless you with success, health, happiness, patience and strength._ Greetings from Sweden
@@DEATH-THE-GOAT ^_^ let me answer to your question "The hatred against women needs to end. But how ?" By rejecting that fake religion (islam) which allows to beat women (Surah 4:34) and stop listening to the teachings of the false prophet momo who said : Women are devils Sunan Abi Dawud 2151 Jabir said “The Prophet (ﷺ) saw a woman so he entered upon Zainab daughter of Jahsh and had intercourse with her. He (ﷺ) then came out and said to his companions and said to them “A woman advances in the form of a devil. When one of you finds that he should go to his wife (and have intercourse with her) for that will repel what he is feeling. حَدَّثَنَا مُسْلِمُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامٌ، عَنْ أَبِي الزُّبَيْرِ، عَنْ جَابِرٍ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم رَأَى امْرَأَةً فَدَخَلَ عَلَى زَيْنَبَ بِنْتِ جَحْشٍ فَقَضَى حَاجَتَهُ مِنْهَا ثُمَّ خَرَجَ إِلَى أَصْحَابِهِ فَقَالَ لَهُمْ " إِنَّ الْمَرْأَةَ تُقْبِلُ فِي صُورَةِ شَيْطَانٍ فَمَنْ وَجَدَ مِنْ ذَلِكَ شَيْئًا فَلْيَأْتِ أَهْلَهُ فَإِنَّهُ يُضْمِرُ مَا فِي نَفْسِهِ " . Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani) صحيح (الألباني) حكم :
May I ask, if you know. In this video she stressed how horrible killing a man is considered... is that man in the general sense meaning a human, or is it only specific to man meaning killing a woman isnt as big of a deal as killing a man?
Shame on all the staff members. The fact that she was close to escaping many times before the gardner and the guard stopped her. The way they do not even look phased when Noor is clearly injured and being abused and dragged away by her abuser.
This is beyond heartbreaking. 😢 I am so so sick of women being treated like appliances, made for the utility of men. Please, I am begging, WE ARE HUMAN, TOO!
Many men do recognise this fact, and find this case just as disgusting and disgraceful as you do. Please don't generalise and stereotype us - though I recognise it is more culturally prevalent in some areas of the world than others. Also, if this guy was frying his brain with m3th, that will make shaky personalities even more unstable. It's a curse, and extremely dangerous for some.
@@willowcrowe4224the people who save you are also men. If you generalize it only shows your limited mental capacity and the pitiful understanding you have of your surroundings. Powerful positions are held by men, so changes are also executed by men. If men were the demons you are making out to be, you wouldn't even have the freedom or power to type all this sh*t.
@willowcrowe4224 you contradict yourself. Your saying 'not all men' is exactly the point I'm trying to make. And my feelings aren't hurt, they're outraged by what this poor girl was forced to go through. I've seen how m3th turns people into animals, male and female. This is the biggest factor in this outrage imo. The entitlement of power, and a brain fried by m3th.
@@alistairogilvy7696 I remember this guy talking about knowing someone on coke as well as someone on Meth. It was a world of difference, the latter just hollows people out. They are gone.
He killed her on eid day, the day of celebration and happiness. I can't even imagine how her family must've felt. She must have been so scared during those two days. This one just breaks my heart.
@@jeanisdancingno that is eid el Adha. And even then this comment is just disgusting we don’t kill humans it is big animals that are slaughtered in a humane way
@@harharharharharharharharha240 I have also heard people are starting to just donate to charity in stead of slaughtering animals. I'm not entirely sure about it though, since apparently the meat of the animals is being donated to charity, so my information might've gotten lost in translation somewhere.
It's a crime that the parents covered up how disturbed their son was. Their behavior allowed this innocent woman Noor to unknowingly become his obsession and future victim. The behavior of the father whilst knowing what was happening to this woman is so callous that it appears he has a very disturbed personality as well, in my opinion. What a senseless tragedy for Noor and her family and friends.
How many girls did he do this to, before he got caught! He sounds like a serial killer to me, and he spoke of sacrifices, and the way he spoke about slicing other women’s boobs and his perversion. 😢 it all screams a serial killer!!
I love the fact that people will go to the extent of blaming the girl, her parents, her "lack of faith" etc. for the outcome. What about the guy and his faith? What about his morals and values. What about holding the man to those wild standards. Yet, he gets to r*pe, abuse, and murder someone and she is the one to blame for her lack of morals and faith?
@Xoxososowi Exactly, pisses me off people going around insisting "Islam is not a violent religion" when that obviously does not apply across all groups. It is responsible for people to qualify that Islam is not *inherently* a violent religion, and that many sects are peaceful. But it is also true that many majority Muslim countries and communities have obvious problems with violence (esp. against women) that are deeply tied with the religion. We can't ignore that harm just because some people are Islamophobic.
@@hope1575No Islam is not a religion of violence, just because some groups of people who belong to a particular religion does something wrong, does not automatically makes the religion wrong or violent. Fyi, in Islam abuse is a sin, whether it's physical, mental or verbal abuse. And just because a "Muslim" is abusive or commits murder does not label Islam as a violent religion
@moradekeadeola1770 I didn't say that it universally is. Nor is it fundamentally a religion of peace because many groups are peaceful. No religion is monolithic; it is a complex social phenomenon, and nuance is key. But stop trying to excuse widespread systemic abuses and violence as just individual bad actors - that's not just one guy, that's millions of people who consider those things part of their religious practice. The development of such factions is not unique to Islam, but it should not be ignored.
Stephanie. I live around 25 minutes away from where this happened - and a dear friend is very close friends with both families involved in this case. When I tell you - This was horrific! I have now lived in the city for 8 years, and for the first time in my life here, my parents (who reside in another city) started getting very scared for my safety. Bear in mind that a good 35% of our working class are women, and Islamabad is a safe city overall. This one event changed the course of our lives and I remember being so angry and sad for this poor poor girl. She could do much for the economy of this country, her parents and the world but her life was cut short due to the callousness, salacious nature and cruelty of another human being. I am not exaggerating when I tell you that I spent countless sleepless nights after this event. May her soul find eternal peace and bliss and may history never repeat itself when it comes to events like this one! Stay safe y’all.
As half Pakistani this was an outrageous case in Egypt as well, very tragic indeed. But does not represent the country nor the Pakistani culture. We can however learn from the mistakes of the “perfectionist parenthood culture “
With the doctor calling her "that girl" seems to me like he's trying to disassociate himself with the fact that he was there to help dispose of her. To clear his conscience. I'm am so sick of victim blaming. It is beyond disgusting.
This is disgusting. Not just the son, but the whole family. The way women are viewed in this part of the world is inhumane and barbaric. Kudos for bringing this case to our attention. More people need to know about this
Men are the same everywhere. A 15 year old was just stabbed to death in London for asking a man to stop harassing her friend to accept flowers. Not every man in these regions share such views.
the racist undertones of this comment... wow.... "the way women are viewed in this part of the world". Pakistan has had a women Prime Minister... has America or Canada had one yet? There are evil people everywhere, you shouldn't be generalizing
@@HS-ie8tj Well, no. You can find men like this everywhere, that's for sure, but don't let yourself be foolish enough to believe that the society someone lives in doesn't influence the way they are. Because it does. Almost every society, to a degree, tells men that it's shameful to get rejected by a woman and ok to defend your pride, that women have to be a bit more soft and polite than they have to be, etc. But societies like in Pakistan are way, way more patriarchic than let's say the UK. That's why crimes against specifically women are more common there. People are the same everywhere, as a basis, but it's greatly influenced by the society they live in, how they turn out and behave, since it greatly influences how they think and feel about things. So, saying the "where" doesn't really matter is kind of a slap in some victims and activists faces. So many try hard and risk all to make their country, their society, a better and saver one and you say (likely accidentally) that it doesn't matter, since it's the same everywhere anyway. Which is so far from the truth and that's proven by statistics and personal stories alike.
This is why women are choosing to be with a bear than with men! A bear doesn’t act on ego. He knew her, dated her and he still murdered her when she didn’t want him anymore.
Well, women can also do evil. My mother abused the hell out of us and almost killed me. You also have cases where wives kill to try to get health insurance. Not all women or men bad. A Korean step mom killed her step son by putting him in a suitcase. You think women don't act on ego?
Saaaaame. For a male podcaster I'd recomend Aaron Mahnke, he does Lore and a bunch of different shows, but it's a completely different vibe. Sthep gives the vibe that she is really talking to you like.. telling you personal stuff. Her emotions shine through so much!
@@sarahisatitagain Coffeehouse Crime and Mr. Ballen are my go-to male TH-camrs/Podcasters for this and similar content. Adrian, from ChC, tells the stories from the perspective of the victims, and always makes sure the emphasis is on them rather than the criminals. Mr. Ballen is just a truly exceptional storyteller of the strange, dark, and mysterious. Both are incredibly good.
those other crime assistants should get the same sentence as the criminal, doing a crime and assisting is the same thing symbolically even if not technically.
Femecide is a worldwide issue we need to do our best to shine light on it , we need to demand justice. I am so sick of people downplaying the violence women go through. It's disgusting we as a society as humans need to do better. If we see something say something please!!!
i agree with @RojaJaneman , i know lot of mens who dont speak up about their domestic violence because they dont want to be a cry baby. there is even a case about a famous tiktok girl who's killed her husband because he didnt search for help (stabbed him with scissors after months of domestic violence)
@@hito1988nobody is saying this doesn’t happen to other genders. We are saying this is such a major problem for one specific gender that it even has a name and is disproportionately affecting us in essentially every single country and not enough is being done and not enough people care. because we are supporting the cause against femicide does not mean we aren’t supporting men. In this regard, in terms of worldwide deaths and cases, women are extremely affected and at risk and it is a major crisis. Same for trans men and women and non-binary people, it is at a rate so high that it lowers their life expectancy. When you hear these things, why not pour your support to into helping people (including men) instead of changing the conversation to something else. Men are abused and that is completely unacceptable and something we should fight as a society, truly. But this is worldwide mass murder of women. I’m not trying to be combative, but it’s so disheartening that every conversation about stopping femicide has to be rerouted to something else that really is valid, but is just not the topic we are talking about at the moment which is thousands upon thousands of women being murdered a year BECAUSE they are women and needs to be solved as fast as possible.
Violence n murder of men is way higher than women. We need to just stop killing ppl in general. Mental illness n anger is what needs a light shined on it….
@@hito1988it does happen but please be fr. hate crimes like this doesn’t happen nearly as much as it does when men do it. men on men crimes happen far more than women on male DV that should tell you where the biggest issue lies. we all know there’s good men and women out there yet you don’t hear women scream “not all women” at every turn cuz WE KNOW
I stumbled upon your podcast and I what is instantly mesmerized buy your compassion, next with your ability to tell incredible stories. It's absolutely no wonder that you have 2.2 million subscribers. Definitely one of the top two broadcast channels out on social media.
I'm from Islamabad and I found out about this case on eid and it just made me miserable for the whole week. What's worse is that people find a way to victim blame the poor girl when none of this was her fault
Same I'm also from Islamabad n this case and another where best friend had her friend presented to her dad n tortured mad me so mad n want to carry firearm for protection
I remember. And the motorway incident happened around the same time. Everyone was terrified to leave the house. And I remember people literally kept blaming the women in both cases. "why was she there?". Why don't they ask the right questions. Why don't they ask why he did what he did. Why did he think that was okay?
@@fatima_jamil oh my god yes! The motorway incident was just horrible beyond words! I cannot even imagine how traumatic it still must be for the poor mom and her kids especially with all the sensationalization and victim blaming. I pray that she's able to find peace in her life and realizes that none of that was her fault.
@@stafeleez same. I can't even imagine. I remember how unsafe the environment became. One of the postgrads in the hospital I study in made jokes about it to a classmate of mine. I felt so disgusting and unsafe. This gets talked about all the time. Everywhere. It's so scary
the fact that she wasn't going to even accept his proposal even wen her life is on the line is kinda admirable, she never even gave him the satisfaction of a lie to even heal his ego! that takes too much courage ... poor girl I pray she is in the kingdom of heaven at peace
I honestly dont believe he killed her cause she rejected a proposal. I think thats his own way of trying to "shift blame" onto her cause she's the one who "rejected his noble request". I believe he killed her for a worse reason, probably cause she refused to have sex with him or something just as sinister. But he was trying his best to do damage control. Cause i personally would be accepting that proposal for the time being if that meant i get to save my own life
@@moistorphan I don't think that was an option to her, just accepting now and backing out later. IIRC divorce is heavily frowned upon in the Islamic religion and hard to make happen, especially if it's a Wife wanting to divorce the husband. With Noor being very religious, I highly doubt she would do that, even to save her life.
@@thedeathray8620 i dont think i need to mention that lying to save ones own life is okay... she can "accept" his proposal. And altho divorce does become harder when kids are involved, this woman is supported by her parents and i doubt she would have a hard time getting a divorce, in the case that she does ACTUALLY comply with his wish and marry him
She could have been unwilling to back out of a promise (even when it was made under threat of death) due to her own personal honor, or he could have been lying about why he killed her. We'll never know. Either way, RIP Noor.
Watching her propel out of the high Window and still get up and run in all the pain she must have been in makes me feel so sick to my stomach. Poor baby really fought to survive and everyone around her failed her
As a Muslim, I would like to thank you for beautifully portraying Islam when you cover cases. This case is heartbreaking, condolences to the family of Noor.
"The plight of being a woman is universal." And it's ongoing. Humanity has advanced in technology, and AI, and all that weird shit, BUT can still be backward thinking in treating women. Crazy world we live in.. Thank you Stephanie in covering this case and highlighting societal issues other than the crime of just one man.
For real. Other issues like racism are being fought and taken seriously, but for some reason misogyny is still viewed as “normal”. I guess thats what happens when the world is dominated by males. How come we can acknowledge that slavery is cruel, but can’t acknowledge that abortions are a human right?
@@amandaa3713That's what hurts the most. With men you could argue that they are just unable to put themselves in another persons shoes, still a goddamn problem with how much of the narrative they still control when it comes to women's struggels but at least there is an explanation no matter how shitty it is, but other women who grew up with the same struggles and fears and still spout that idiotic drivel get my blood boiling.
Thank you so much for humanizing Noor. I feel like she gets lost in all of this. I remember when this happened. I live in the city this happened and Islamabad is considered quite safe. This happened in a very posh neighborhood. Everyone was so shocked. I remember how traumatized all of us women were. It was so messed up. My med school professor was telling us to be careful and dress appropriately and stay safe ( as if that would do anything). We're fed up. We're sick of this. I remember we had many sleepless nights after this. It's so scary because we don't feel like anyone can protect us. If you're rich, you can pay off police officers. People don't want to call police for this reason or what's even worse, they get involved too. Police will literally arrest a couple for sitting on a bench but let people get away with murder. I pray this changes. And honestly, Noor's family did so much to change this. Her father has showed so much strength and said he will keep going for every daughter in Pakistan. Noor has no idea but she has changed the world.
I blame the family for setting him up with an innocent woman. They knew how horrible of a person he was and I’m pretty sure at least one of his female childhood acquaintances had to have complained to them about his behavior. The family tried to cover up how deranged he was and practically lured an innocent person into a horrible situation.
I'm also from Asia and arranged marriages are very common. One of my distant relative got married to this "wonderful man" and on the wedding night, she realised her new husband is crazy. She called her dad the next morning, asking to initiate divorce. The husband's family said "oh he's just a little autistic, he has anxiety yada yada yada". Okay fine. A week later they go on a trip and she tears her sandal strap. Her husband was screaming and immediately slapped her right in front everybody for "breaking the sandal strap". This girl went home immediately, called her dad, said she is divorcing this insane man and saved herself from the trouble
I find it strange that people would focus on Nora's faith. It doesn't matter if she prayed 5 times a day or spent the night dancing on a pole. Nobody DESERVES to be murdered! Honestly, I blame the guy's parents. They hide their son's mental illness from his fiancée, they've been covering up for him his entire life (drug party the ended with 4 women dead), they are still trying to cover up for him when he made the shift to murderer AND even though this a family friend's daughter their knee jerk reaction was "how do I hide the body". At this point I firmly believe the dad is also insane, it's just not normal.
@@karentucker2161 maybe you don’t see it in THIS COMMENT section, but the fact of the matter IS HER FAITH DID GET QUESTIONED and BY HER OWN PEOPLE, did you NOT just watch the same video OP and I did??
The murder suspect was identified as 27-year-old Zahir Jaffer who was arrested at the scene of the crime and taken to the police station. The parents and household staff of Jaffer were arrested for hiding evidence and complicity, because Noor made multiple escape attempts but the household staff refused to permit her to leave. The murder was premeditated as Jaffer later confessed to police that he intended to kill Noor if she refused to accept his marriage proposal. Zahir Jaffer was sentenced to death for the murder of Noor Mukadam by Islamabad session court in February 2022, while Jaffer's guards Iftikhar and Mohammad Jan were given ten years of imprisonment
He is from a rich family in a corrupt country like Pakistan. I suspect he is going through all the appeal procedures available and also his family is taking advantage of their political contacts. I doubt he will ever be executed.
@@suzy8109I hope that murderer will be executed and those accomplices will serve their sentences as they should be. For sure, Noor's family has connections as well. They will not let go of this case and will bring justice to Noor's death.
They should have given the accomplices life in my opinion. They had so many opportunities to let her free or call the police. They are complicit in her murder.
The dad has a CLEAR LACK of respect for anyone’s life other than his son. Not only because he covered up NOORS MURDER but he called people to GO OVER when he is dangerous.
Something people dont understand in the west is that families can hold more power than government if you dont play by the rules designed to weaken the power of familes. They knew this, he was the next head have family and they didnt have time time to make another. Generations of work across centuries, wasted. This is in no way a justification but it is a lens through which you can understand the thought process of it. Its on the parents for not raising him better and reigning him in more as much as its his own fault.
Its very impressive how much research she does to practically memorize probably about 2 hours worth of talking about a story as if she was literally there at all the scenes like it was yesterday. Amazing skills and very intelligent lady.
@@tellmeaboutit9975 it’s still very impressive how Steph made sure to have a team of researchers and I am sure she spends good amount of time to re-tell their hard work they’ve put it research. Also, we see only 2 hours, Im sure they are sitting and filming for more than 2 hours
@@tellmeaboutit9975 If the average person were to weave all of that research into a story, they would probably sound robotic, awkward, or even confused, even after days of prep. Not Stephanie, though, especially considering the rate at which she posts. She's got talent.
Doesn’t matter who your employer is or if you just “followed orders” they decided to help this monster instead of the innocent woman. Hope these people get what they deserve
I mean... having to say no in the face of a really powerful family whose also a psycho, that's a very difficult thing to do when you're the one standing across from him
you could be the 'perfect' victim, & it'll still be your fault. it's always about what more you should've done better, how you're responsible for the crime committed against you. devastated that even an act as heinous as what this man-this full grown adult man-did can be used to victimize* an already deceased woman further by placing the blame on her, sullying her name.. but so, so happy that there's pushback. heart goes out the the family & the people continuously fighting against gender based violence in Pakistan.
yes, especially if the victim is a woman. Or just anything besides a straight cis man honestly... Can't even let Noor have some peace and respect in death. Disgusting
Thank goodness Noor was a Nepo baby herself otherwise her case really would have been swept under a rug. Daughter of a diplomat and they still tried so hard to hide the nature of her death. Disgusting. The whole family of Zahir is rotten
and the only reason why this case was solved was because the victim lost her life. even with all the evidences, there are incidents where these nepo baby culprits get away. crazy how money talks
I just hate the the parents, KNOWING their son was like that, would STILL try to set him up with a poor unsuspecting girl. And such an amazing girl too, how tragic! Also great plot twist that Zahir was an only child my stomach DROPPPED
@euoniautopia I've seen this before in mid eastern and far eastern cultures. Families have a son that is not right and the parents seek to marry him off but the girl is expected to work miracles but when that doesn't happen that way, she is blamed for his abuse; beating her and SA in marriage. And if she runs, or asks the parents for help, she is told to return to her husband. This gets into honor killings and the insane rationales that go with it. These countries are so primitive and barbaric one would think their leaders would make some effort to bring these countries out of the Dark Ages. This even extends down through Arabia and Africa. Meanwhile, in Africa there are those who are also practicing FGM. The whole thing where women are concerned is one great big horror show. 🍂
He has a younger brother and sister. We heard the sister was in the home at the time poor Noor was there but then later someone else said they saw her insta pics and she was in New York at that time...who knows. In this video Stephanie has made it sound like Zahir had a younger brother who was sick and then it turns out it was Zahir all along. But that's to make the story interesting, He has two younger siblings who are both pretty decent by all accounts. Zahir always had a history of violence, he had a case of domestic violence filed against him cos he had attacked his mother (I think that was in the UK and he'd been deported for that) and a rape case in the US for which he did some jail time cos he's a US citizen.@@MsTranthihai71
I was a follower of Noor's activism, and the news of her passing was incredibly heartbreaking. She was a brilliant young woman, and I can’t imagine the things she must have endured felt during those two days. It's truly heart-wrenching that one person's ego caused so much suffering & misery for another. Can only hope for some peace for her family and friends, and peace for her, wherever she is.
Nora"s faith is not the question that should be asked. The question is why does the public not see her murderer for who he was and is. This is just how people think about when women are murdered by a crazy ass killer.
What are you talking about? There is no single "individual" who actually claims to not see this murderer for who he actually is. It's the media and the powers that run the world who try to hide these facts
Most people from the public can see it just fine, it's just a certain proportion of the netizens in Pakistan who are victim blaming Noor. The more we focus on these toxic comments the more it stays in the light. I just report them whenever I see them and move on. Platforms like youtube are actually actively removing comments like this, unlike facebook and instagram. Once a platform ignored my reports more than a certain number of times, I basically uninstall it
This is the first time in my life that I see a non-muslim, especially a US citizen speak reasonably about Islam and going the extra mile to explain the reasoning behind our customs and laws in a favorable way. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
I'm sorry about everything my country says and does about your religion. I'm an atheist, I don't see religion as logical but I understand the emotional aspect, and you deserve much better than how you're treated.
@@ahmadmog5018 I still don't understand. I get how abhorrent it is and seen as. And I get that it's generally the ultimate punishment devised by most cultures, so that's fair enough for me. I guess it's something like _if you do the worst possible thing, your punishment will match as the worst possible punishment._
your sensitivity and the compassion you show for victims and their families restores a bit of my faith in humanity. it serves as a reminder that amidst so much horror, there are still good people out there.
@@sebastianalexander5564they're talking in regards to the way she talks about the cases here on youtube Either way im sure she is a good person in regards to sensitive topics no one in their right mind will poke fun on such things please use your brains .
Seeing all the surveillance footage broke my heart. Noor really kept fighting for her life. Shame on everyone who helped her stay captive in that monster Zahir’s house.
I remember being in the university hostel when i saw this news for the first time. I was devastated. A couple weeks later another news started going viral of a missing child that was SAed and unalived by someone close. I remember losing control over my nerves and crying so hard all of a sudden that many students gathered around me..they thought someone close to me died. But it was my faith in humanity and relationships that died that day. I remember kept saying that if close relationships, our own people are threat to us then where we're supposed to go? Where is the safe place for us if a child is not safe.. if the man you think loves you, kills you brutally. 💔
every time u people forget that Rahman and Satan both live in form of humans in this world. There is not a single country where all are angels. We most of the time when remember the incident of APS , we think about terrorists but what about those teachers who sacrificed themselves for their students? we are so addicted to seeing negative side of things. You are a teacher and you are losing your faith, do you think you'll be able to teach the lesson of humanity to your students?
@SHAFAMATEEN I've come to a complete stop in everything I was doing previously just to reply to your comment because I feel the exact opposite. The original poster is not in the wrong here. There is nothing wrong with being shocked, disturbed, and feeling emotional when hearing about the torture and murder of an innocent woman. If anything, this teacher is showing more 'humanity' simply by being disturbed and upset over the death of someone she (assuming this teacher is female) didn't even know. Shedding tears in front of students shows that not only is it okay to cry, but that crying can help you heal-that it's okay to have a moment of "weakness." The amount of violence against women in this world is absurd and needs to stop. But, alas, here we are. We all know it will continue until the day we all die. This teacher did nothing wrong. May Noor rest in peace.
first of all sister, i didnt say that a person cant be weak, we all are humans and feel emotions, but I am just saying that parents and teachers are backbone of society, if a teacher tells me that i cant excel in my studies, i wouldnt actually bcz teachers' remarks make a great impression.@@zimtastic1171 I come from family of teachers, my father has received best teacher awards by government a lot of times and he says that Allah has given the "loh and Qalm" to teacher and he writes the destiny of his students by the will of Allah. I hate it when teachers who are supposed to make their students good Muslims and good Pakistani show faithlessness in front of their students, they need to be strong especially in front of students
I love the fact that you have enlightened that Islam is not a violent religion but the guy was violent n he wasn't a religious person.. Tysm Stephanie for this video I have learned a lot of things from your videos.. Love ya..
This was so touching. I never understood why my dad left his country. He simply wanted a safe environment for my siblings and me. It’s so heartbreaking to hear and see how women continue to be treated 😭.
It sounds like everyone around him was used to this behavior. I’m willing to bet that the guard text to that dad saying “rude behavior” was just code for “he’s back at it” and the therapist knew of this man’s tendencies so that’s why the father contacted him and said “soliciting a woman” he thought the doctor could keep him from making the same mistake he may have made before.
That's what I thought too. I thought that the therapist knew he could be violent especially if that guy was a patient at the therapists work place. I thought therapist might have brought backup Incase they needed to subdue him due to his violent tendencies. But honestly now it's just weird..
I love your channel and I hope you are well. Thank you for giving us great content. I have FASD and other issues and honestly creators on TH-cam like you are an important part in my life and keeping my mental health straight. You rock! I would give you more but I live off government benefits. Also the causes you support and the messages you send out to the public are very important. Thank you.
It’s heart wrenching how women in many countries are treated, murdered, raped, beaten, and all around abused mentally and physically and are treated even less worth then a stray dog, you would think in modern days these atrocities would never be heard of anymore and women would be treated and valued as they should be for with out women this world would perish. PERIOD!!!!
Something that I have found so so crazy and appalling is the fact that if a young girl any woman I should say gets raped then she's the one that has to pay the price! Her own family will kill her for this ,it makes no sense to me it makes no sense at all!
Does it matter why she went there? Does people who blamed her doesn't consider she went there to have her final goodbye to someone she used to hold wonderful memories with? and you know what, regardless of what the reason she may have, nobody deserve to die, nobody deserve that.
Nobody deserves to be tortured for two days and raped only to then be killed and disrespected even in death and treated worse than cattle in factory farms. But misogyny makes people think someone, especially women, deserve that, for even just breathing
What a gruesome murder. A thought came into mind about why Zahir's employees didn't open the door. Could it be possible that Zahir's father tried to gather up the therapists and others to show up to his son's house just to get murdered so that the "robbery plot" would hold? Hence why the 3 staff employees inside didn't open the door. They want the two groups to break in so it would look as if Zahir is being mobbed. If Zahir's gun didn't malfunction, I'm pretty sure there should more casualties that night. Zahir and his family are selfish and evil af!
Holy shit. I guess it is possible. The way the family handled the situation is insane. I imagine it is difficult to help an addict with serious mental illness but it seems to me like they straight up enabled him as long as they could keep it under wraps and keep the family image clean.
I actually thought of that as well. Even when they were calling random "family friends" in hope of them showing up at their house so he could claim that the one who broke in was the one who killed Noor, and that he killed them because of that.
What you said at 1:01.36 about "she was R-worded" vs. "He R-worded her" is such an important distinction. This should be screamed at every journalist or anyone who reports about these assaults.
@@lexa2310that is a dubious statement and just untrue. Everyone recognize that large number of violence towards women happen everyday but unless it also highlight the perpetrator/s (who happens to be men large number of the time) then it's be treated as an accident instead of *violence*, leading us to focus to women/victim to defend themselves and prevent (by clothing and behavior) instead of looking the other way to the perpetrator.
@@carlawilliams2049i mean......it's not exactly out of a vacuum. the internet has been home to r*pe threats for as long as it's been accessible to people. it's the sheer scale of such violence that makes it harder to discuss openly and honestly, let alone without retaliation. verbally, no one threatens with terms like assault, SA, or "r-word." they exist purely in contexts where assault is being discussed and not threatened. if anything, i would think that might create safer spaces for people to talk about their experiences? it's an unfortunate consequence of the culture with a bit of a protective silver lining. it really just goes to show how deeply ingrained SA is into human culture 😞
Apart from the story, I LOVE how she cares about not offending people on their religion how she always says “ correct me if I’m wrong” She is such a kind woman.
I could correct a lot in this one regarding scripture and the story of Abraham and his son that he by faith almost sacrificed. The son was not Ishmael. It’s a beautiful story that shows us that Jesus was in the Old Testament and this story is a profound prophecy of The One and Only God who came to save us all of our sins. Everyone should read this amazing story. Praying for everyone who sees this that the Holy Spirit will show Himself to you🙏
So long as shes asking muslims she will keep thinking killing is a huge sin for them. They have lying about it built into the religion, it's called taqiyya. They'll point to the 1st half where that is very true but will ignore the 2nd half and the fact it dictates the 2nd half takes precedent if there's a contradiction when talking to people outside of the faith
Stephanie I can't thank you enough for covering cases from Pakistan. The fact that horrible monsters like these roam around us and even COUNSEL CHILDREN is beyond terrifying. As a Pakistani I have to say this case kept us all up at night. I pray that Noor and her family get justice. Thankyou so much again for bringing these cases to light.
As a practising Muslim i appreciate your understanding of Islam. As a man im disgusted by how women are treated in a societies across the world and more so in societies that favours males over females. It is unjust and crule the fear that women and girls have to live with throughout their lives. They face harassment, stalking, SA, violence, kidnapping and murder. This story makes me very sad for Noor and her family and enraged at this monster and his family.
It's your faith that allows men to treat women like this. Of course not all men do that but its allowed. That's the problem. Women have no rights in this faith.
Islam may not be a violent religion in theory, but it sure is violent in practice. Just like how Christianity is a loving religion in theory, but it's hateful in practice. The religion isn't the problem, the people are.
@@deviantmoore9744as a Christian I completely agree! Some people use their religion as an excuse to be horrible people, it truly goes past what their religion is about in the first place. It's such a shame :(
@@deviantmoore9744 As a Muslim I totally agree with you, and I find it quite disgusting that people use religion as a excuse for doing something so terrible
Steph....ive been watching ur content for the past year and trust me....for some reason i had already predicted that the guy could be an only son without a brother. You are doing such a great job with communicating these cases. Thank you so much.
I'm sick and tired of women dying because they said no to a man. Noor had a whole life ahead of her and he took it from her. These monsters can’t keep getting away with these heinous crimes but this is the sad reality for women around the world.
So true about the way SA is discussed. That poor young lady. She didn’t deserve a single horrible thing. She felt she was simply showing up to say goodbye and have peace for the end of a relationship. People have to try hard to put a single bit of pain on Noor. She is a beautiful woman that clearly left an amazing stamp on the world. I hope for peace in her family and they can recover from such a painful loss. You were a great woman, Noor. We know your story now ( thank you Stephanie ). I hope we can do our best to prevent such awful things from happening.
Stephanie did a great retelling of the Abraham and Isaac situation. I’m a Christian African-American and you do your research and you do well so keep going
@@phumelelemthiyane7506 not enough emphasis on the horror of commanding a man to murder his son as a prank. abrahamitic religions are for psychopaths only.
@@phumelelemthiyane7506 the part where Steph thought that Ishmael is just the Ismalic version of Isaac's name, as if they are the same person 😂. They are not. Ishmael is Isaac's older half-brother. Ishmael was the fruit of Abraham r@ping Hagar, the handmaiden of Sarah (Abraham's wife and sister) some time before Isaac was born. Tbf, at least Steph admitted she does not remember the story perfectly.
My dad used to have that same laugh... I had only ever seen my dad get choked up, but never cry. So when I answered the phone to him crying hysterically and telling me to come to my door, I knew my brother was gone... He took his own life, and my dad has not been the same. Sorry to drop that trauma bomb. That just really hit home for me.
After hearing the entire case & getting to the story regarding Abraham & Isaac, now I understand why you mentioned Zahir said Noor was a ‘sacrifice’. The celebration was actually Eid al-Adha, not Eid al-Fitri since it took place in July. It is disgusting how he violated her even after she passed & tarnished her reputation. I pray that Noor is sent to the highest level of heaven, she did not deserve any of this & I wish the world was better to women.
@@AnuradhaKarmakar any sane thinking person would never thought of Noor's reputation being tarnished, but then again you have people that are blaming her for being there in the first place. I am not a muslim or Pakistani so I have to ask if the culture or religion contributes to this line of thinking by these people, because honestly it's incomprehensible to me, that they can have such insane, inhuman rationale that the woman is even somewhat to blame.
@@kenhew4641 The culture is definitely to blame and religion is used as a crutch to encourage these sick depraved views about women, I am a Pakistani woman myself so I see this sickness every day. Her reputation logically should not be affected but people here blame her and some even call her a wh0re and say she deserved it, it's disgusting. My own mother sometimes slips and victim blames her
@@Maya_hee thanks for explaining. It also seems that it might be a generational thing. I hope future generation of Pakistanis will ditch this old, outdated patriarchal mindset. Having laws is not enough, when even after justice is served the public still holds the opinion that the victim especially women victims are to blame, for crimes commited ON them, not BY them smh
That poor woman. The pain and the terror she must have felt right up to her death. It's horrific. And the staff didn't let her leave?? What sort of environment was that? Such evil. I don't know why I'm surprised at the evil that human beings are capable.
As a Pakistani girl myself, I remember surrounded by extreme depression during this case. And to this date almost 3 years after, I am still extremely devastated whenever I get reminded of what happened and how this rich wild boy keeps getting away with what he deserves one way or the other. Till this day he is not hanged 💔💔
another pakistani crime !! as a desi person, I am so so grateful you bring attention to cases that people outside of south asia would probably never hear about because cases like these are so important, especially against women because sadly countries like pakistan still struggle with gender equality and gender safety Edit: please ignore some of the replies here a whole war started and be aware of misogyny and islamophobia if you do read the comments
Absolutely! An estimated 1000 women are subjected to honour killing in Pakistan each year. These are only the cases that are reported, many cases go unreported. In this case the behaviour of the parents, the people who heard everything happening, and society in general after this case came to limelight, show how efd up the reality is!!
She was 27 years old and the daughter of a former diplomat, Shaukat Mukadam. She was murdered at a house in an upscale neighborhood, Sector F-7/4, of Islamabad, on 20 July 2021. Noor was held hostage for two days, tortured with a knuckleduster, then decapitated with a knife. Noor was raped before being murdered.
I shudder to think if Noor was from some tribal group or from a simple poor family, this ‘Influential and rich’ family of the perpetrator would have buried the case and it would not even come in the media…forget the court of law! How evil is this!! Again a brilliant, knowledgeable, beautiful, kind and bright woman butchered just because this horrible vile monster did not like being said NO to!!!!! Parents need to raise better children to be good people and responsible citizens! Rest in peace beautiful Noor✨😔 This world lost a radiant light🌟
As a South Asian / Desi person, I am ready to hear another case I have never heard of because so many Asian cases get swept under the rug due to honor and social stigma in the culture.
I wanted to say that I love how you address the issue of gender in most of your videos. Mental health is also a topic you put effort into addressing. In this one I also really loved how you addressed Islamophobia and misinformation in such a graceful way. 💐💐💐
So a man can decide on a whim to sentence a woman to death for something as small as hurting their ego, but a man can’t be sentenced to death for committing the crime? Personally, life without parole sounds cruel and more deserving. We r made to be caring to everyone even at our own expense and sometimes lives. I see misogynistic comments on the daily on IG. Dads, moms, or any guardian should be teaching their sons to protect our girls not treat them like a piece of meat. RIP to Noor, she was so beautiful and truly a gift. Her family seems so lovely and she should be here with them. Plz be careful girls, this world is messed up and we have to look out for each other.
Thank you for presenting this story in the most respectful way possible while also explaining the cultural nuances of the country. I'm from Pakistan and I moved to a posh, high security area about 2 years ago. I was born into a lower middle class family who worked their way up the social ladder. I'd say I'm grateful and blessed but at the age of 22, I have begun noticing the way a lot of the kids who were born into wealth being sheltered beyond need. I used to think these kids were independent, and they are, until it comes to facing the law and being held accountable.
- Dear women never go and see your Exes after a nasty break up or whatever because you never know when someone will switch up. There’s a repeated pattern and similar cases that has been highlighted over past cases. We are in a society whereby women are not safe anywhere. Only a sick, deranged, cruel and psychopath can do this to a human being. At what point did he not even think about his actions smh
Thank you for covering cases like this I’m Iraqi and Muslim and many men commit theses crimes in the name of islam and covering their family’s “shame”. Last January I visited my Iraq after seventeen years and while I was there a girl was killed by her farther her name was Tiba Al-Ali she was a famous TH-camr and her father was sentenced only for six months and now there’s so much outrage about the case and the awful things that many women face in the name of society and religion which men use to justify their horrible actions. Please look into it there’s no much English coverage about this case
Look at Nikah mut'ah. Women & even children are sold into a temporary "pleasure marriage". The woman are treated as property not people. I wish more attention was brought to Sharia law too. It is terrible the way some people twist & pervert a religion of peace into something so terrible.
I looked up her name after reading your comment and was horrified at what happened to her and how the law in Iraq protected her so called father. I couldn’t believe what I was reading, that Honour Killings (I despise that term) are a mitigating circumstance for the perpetrator and are seen as the victim provoked them. Therefore they basically asked for it but we can’t let you get away with murder so here’s a token sentence. Women’s lives mean nothing. I’m so glad there was public outrage. Your comment led me to look up beautiful Tiba’s story, then the story took me to the death (another Honour Killing) of another YT star in Pakistan, by her brother this time, organised by a Cleric or Mufti and her name was Qandeel Baloch. This was in 2017. It’s crazy how much this goes on. I agree Stephanie should do a story on Tiba or both. It makes me sad. Thanks for sharing. 🌸
I don't know what it is with Islam but you guys take your religion way too serious to the extremes and willing to kill people over it. This is what people did in the middle ages and you are still living in this period although it's 2023. You are nothing but barbarians and that's why the middle east is in a constant war. The middle ages were a constant war as well. It truly blows my mind.
@jojowynne233 Stephanie wouldn't be able to make videos on cases like these because so many viewers would hate on her because most honor killings (if we're being honest) are very closely related to the religion practiced. And Stephanie seems to obviously be very afraid to add on the religious aspect to these cases and simply just calls it tradition or conservatism.
Thank you for covering this case. My friends and I will be donating gifts to our local women's and children's shelter on October 23rd as well as the local animal shelter. Noor will be remembered, in our small ways, for the rest of our lives.
they probably say "She was SA'd" rather than mentioning the assailant SAd her, for the same reason you're advised to say "allegedly" they can be sued if they make a claim that isnt decided upon in the courts yet.
I can't even imagine the pain Noor's family have experienced knowing their beautiful child was held captive, was tortured, and was then decapitated by someone they once trusted! This is such a tragic and senseless case that brings to light untreated mental illness and entitlement of a person who could not take "No" for an answer. So heart breaking 💔
A few weeks ago I left a comment on one of your videos where I urged you to talk about this case so thank you so much for covering it. You have a huge platform and I hope your platform can become a source of shedding light on cases like this one where media attention can possibly lead to victims receiving justice.
Helllo, i just wanted to share i was never ever a fan of crime podcasts or anything like it because I always thought talking over these topics are disrespectful and almost creepy how people obsess. I gave one youtuber a shot and remembered ranting for like 30 minutes straight to my boyfriend how disrespectful she was of the victim. Your video one day autoplayed and you complete shifted my mentality. It was so refreshing to see someone be so beautifully empathetic with the victim and celebrating their life while being delicate of their tragic deaths. You are an exemplary display of how these topics should be discussed and I think EVERY podcaster, youtuber, and even television producers of docu-series etc need to take a page from your book on how to discuss heinous crimes!!! Bravo.
for real, her vibe is so much better than any true crime i've heard so far. wendigoon is another one, though he doesnt go as in depth on the victims he is still very good at keeping both the human elements and storytelling skills very present
If you ask a man what his biggest fear is, they say ‘rejection’ If you ask a women what our biggest fear is, ‘it’s being murdered, raped, tortured, etc’ just for stating our opinion, how we feel, or even walking home late at night without a man we can trust to protect us It’s crazy how different our answers are maybe if us women didn’t have to fear being killed, raped, tortured and maybe if those horrible horrific things didn’t happen so often then maybe we could fear something like rejection too instead of fearing for our lives every damn time we leave the house, and some of us don’t even have to leave the house to get killed, some of us get killed in broad daylight too those horrific things don’t always happen at night and can I just say I’m so sick of having to have a man walk me to my car, or walk me home at night, or just be in my presence to feel safe it’s not fair ITS NOT FAIR #JUSTICEFORNOOR #JUSTICEFORALLWOMEN #WEDONTDESERVETOLIVEINFEAR
Absolute bullshit. I am 100% sure if you ask a man what their biggest fear is they'll probably say 'to die'. Same with a woman. I know you are trying to make a point, but spreading this bs will not help the cause.
@@peenyweeny3834 yes it is that women live in fear while men fear rejection that is extremely ignorant and it needs to change how many women must die from a mans hands before it becomes enough.? How long must we live in fear until enough is enough.?
What a stupid comment... Whoever told that man's biggest fear/regret is rejection lied to you. There are far more worse and scarier things. Women in certain parts of the world are treated like garbage, UK has alot of these people here that made"honour killings" and then cry about Islam and how peaceful it is.... Look at Amber heard- lied through the trial and still has no consequences while he had to endure hell for over 6y. Jodi arias is atleast in jail. Get a brai and stop playing the victim when you're not.
As a Pakistani woman, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for covering this case. Besides the gender inequality issue and the crimes against women, an issue to highlight is the parents of Boys who think they have a right to ruin a woman’s life just because they want a girl to fix their son they can’t fix themselves.
@asmagul8135 As awful as this may sounds, I wish women around the world woke up to the truth & stop birthing boys. This has been happening to us women around the globe, since forever. We need to start choosing better. Will never have peace with too many boys being born, while they are just as active un-aliving women at great rates & starting wars at the drop of a hat everywhere, always plunging everyone back into the dark ages with every war they start, which is always most devastating to women. We can't control them. Even mother earth is now acting bipolar because of the stress, these males & their greed are putting her through. The numbers & the history just shows who they are. If we keep pushing them out, nothing will change, not in 20-40-80-or 120 years. Nothing! Will never have peace either.
Yet so many Americans and other Westerners think these things are an exaggeration and not happening. 🙄
Or just deal with them,as messed up as they are..😒 many times not even by choice!! 😔
Damn girl that is a universal issue but well said!!
"Boys will be boys" = boys will be awful unless corrected :
The fact she was killed and tortured just for saying no to him is the sad reality for a lot of women.
Exactly and the amount of comments I’ve read blaming Noor for going out or not being religious enough is crazy…it’s all irrelevant but they keep bringing it up omg
@@StarAreebaGoRandom What the hell is wrong with people, I mean how disgusting and cruel do you have to be to blame a dead woman for something that she had no control over. Why not blame the real culprit, Zahir he's the one who murdered Noor
Women in Pakistan
@@Johnne009*Women all over the world, the West very much included. Do a bit of digging, and you'll find many cases of women and girls getting assaulted and/or murdered for turning down a guy.
@@Johnne009no, its a world wide look it up korea african the US even latin America china everywhere
the fact that this took a diplomat's daughter to bring attention to things like this happening is absolutely disgusting, the rage i feel right now is immeasureable.
my thoughts exactly. im very glad he didnt get away w such an awful crime but had this been done to a common girl, i doubt as many actions wouldve been taken against him.
@create306i would say use ur brain but clearly it’s not there rn
@create306
"Oh my house was looted"
"Oh my cat was killed by someone for fun"
"oh my mom died on the street because of mysogynistic culture that the government isnt doing much about"
"Cant get mad about all of it tho, since i couldnt do anything about it"
Yea we shouldn’t have cared because it was a diplomats daughter
@create306it's about taking lessons from such incidents & protesting against these incidents . Raising your son to be a noble person, not entitled sociopath. His parents knew about anger and ego issues. It also teaches us, not to lie to parents about friends and whom you have been meeting & Parents to be careful.
“Why didn’t you just say no?”
That’s what happens when we say no.
Reality, just reality
People say that with ease because they were never in that situation.! Pathetic.😠🙄
Nora's father sounds like an intelligent man .. "this is not about my daughter, it is about all daughters". Nora did nothing wrong. It is the coward murder's fault, 100%.
its not Nora its Noor actually.
her name is Noor. get it right. don't disrespect her like that.
@@4in1xzthank you for the correction, much appreciated.
@@strych9inesGees. That was considered disrespectful to her?
It's Noor. Not Nora.
that judge who said "ok. you're right. we were wrong, die instead." is my hero
Yeah I was really worried for a second but they came through
Me too
Where is this?
@@saralast4625 1:16:54 He appealed the ruling and instead of getting time off he received the double death penalty
whats a double death penalty? @@haha-rk4eg
I am betting that he only got sentenced because she is a dimplomats daughter. A "noble woman". She was someone with prestige and so much privilege. If it would be someone like you or me, he would have been released and set free. It's shameful...
He got a double death sentence yet he's still alive and in jail.
You would be right
@@amnakakakhel1181 what’s up with sharia laws in these countries ? Why do they always get a slap in the wrist rather than getting a proper punishment smh 🤦🏻♀️ it’s tiring how this cases of abused never ends !
This man is a demon. I pray Noor rests in peace and the demon is taunted by evil spirits for the rest of his life. That includes the parents and the so-called therapists.
Women are raped and killed in Pakistan all the time. By the police as well. It's an absolutely awful place for women. Like so many Muslim countries.
“He will come around.”
Stephanie: “No, he can come to jail!” 😂
We all cried when he was given the death penalty. Noor's father would wear a Pakistani flag badge every day and appear in court, he said that Pakistan would give him justice. He also made sure that everyone had a place to sit and he also arranged food for whoever came to support his daughter. Thank you for covering this. This and Zainab's case will be the heaviest cases in Pakistan's history.
I remember the protests and how the entire city was outraged when this was an ongoing case.
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This is so upsetting. Recently - in England, a 17 year old boy stabbed a 15 year old girl and killed her - because she defended her friend for refusing flowers from him. Will there be a day where woman don't have to fear being killed for telling a man "No" ?!? This hit hard as this murder happened in my local area. The boy is in custody at the moment - I hope he never gets out.
Edit: This comment was not made to say men don’t experience abuse too. Just because it’s reported less DOESNT mean it’s not a real problem.
No, there’s always going to be sociopaths who kill both men and women. That’s the reality of it
Men get abused too.
I've seen far more men be the victim of a abusive relationship than men.. no one should hurt anyone especially someone who loves them. when a woman is hit by her male partner, everyone comes to her rescue and supports her. But, when a man is hit by a woman, everyone just laughs it off like "oh my girlfriend is crazy too, I hate when she does that" he's too afraid of judgement to ask for help. Also, women are more likely to not let a man go out or be jealous or check his phone. Just saying.
@@tiffanybuie2263and everything you’ve said doesn’t change anything about op’s comment. I could say the same thing as you : I’ve seen more women being in abuse relationships than men. When a woman is abused a lot of times people, mainly men, ask if she was « a good wife ». YES abusive against men should be talked about more but don’t act as if victims of domestic abuse (both men a women) don’t get ignored when speaking out or even shamed. This has nothing to do with jealousy, those people are DERANGED, in both cases, those men KILLED just bc of rejection, it’s not just petty anger. Those poor girls were SHAMED for existing, open you eyes.
@@tiffanybuie2263give me one instance of a man being murdered because he refused a girl’s advances
my point is you’re trying to make it seems like its equal but its not, this isnt even about abusive relationships, its plain misogynistic murder, all genders have jealousy and possessive tendencies, anyone saying into “women does it more”/“men do it more” without substantial evidence is falling into anecdotal fallacy
and no way you used “my girlfriend is crazy” in that way, hysteria was diagnosed to women as a literal illness, for things like anxiety, when women would express any form of negative emotions, they just got shoved aside, not taken seriously and called crazy
“everyone comes to her rescue…..” that is so false, like please research anything you’re saying, thats only portrayed in movies which is not reality, in reality, those (male) abusers become judges, politicians, celebrities etc and face little consequences
@@andreabangu6607well said 👏🏽
I’m from Bangladesh. During the lockdown, a 17 year old girl was assaulted so harshly she ended up succumbing to her injuries and dying. She had her whole life ahead of her, but since the rapist was her boyfriend (who was a minor), he got bailed in the same day. We still hold candlelit vigils and protests for the victim, it’s been a year since she’s been gone. Cases like these are so common it’s not even highlighted by mainstream media outlets anymore, sometimes I feel it’s for the better because the victim blaming is insane. It causes so much more pain for the victims families. Her name was Aurna Amin. May her soul be at peace. But even with such national outrage she got no justice. This is a very dark and sad reason behind why so many south asian women want to move abroad and leave their childhood homes behind
That's so messed up. 🇧🇩
Rest in peace to that girl
So he got free? Sounds like a case for street justice
I'm from Bangladesh too and I remember this case very well but didnt knew that the evil boyfriend got away with it.Thats just really sad and heart breaking.May she rest in peace.
Rest in Peace, Aurna Amin
I'm sorry! Taught to oppress females to control them is so evil. Brains r better than muscles! Woman can overcome!💜🙏💜
The neighbour going to the police instead of calling them is because the police in my country is notorious for showing up when everything is already done. So the neighbour going to the police actually shows the urgency in this situation
Yes, exactly what I thought
Yupp. Same in my country too. Except going there physically won't change anything. You can't shame the shameless😂😂 Americans don't know they've won the lottery. 😂
@@TheOnr-rh1ybOh yes we do!! You seriously think we don't appreciate what we have?? Do you not know how many Americans fly the flag or sing the national anthem? We're very grateful for what we have. We literally FOUGHT & DIED FOR IT. We know.
@TheOnr-rh1yb americans won nothing, calling the pilice here means they show up an hour late, shoot your dog 6 times, and arrest you for suspicious activity, then they tell you they'll "do their best" to find the guy who killed your family member
@@ItsNotReallyWork“we literally FOUGHT & DIED FOR IT” since when were you appointed to speak for all americans lol our militarized police force has the third highest military funding in the world (the actual US military being no. 1, mind you) and that’s NOT a good thing. officers are so shameless they kell people on camera and/or in public, like what kind of sick lottery is that ???
As a Pakistani myself I can't thank you enough to shed light on Noor's case. I don't have words to describe how shattered women around Pakistan felt and how disgusted we felt by certain police officers trying to shame Noor and ruin her reputation.
May we don't have we see any more Noors and may her soul rest in peace.
I am so sorry to hear this is how the police responded. So many strong brave Pakistani women and women around the world deserve better than this sad excuse for male behavior- it’s less than human!
But this is common among muslims, not just noor muslim bachelor often kill their ex its just brutal teachings of the culture degrading women
@@lallianzama3549agreed not too long ago a Pakistani guy in Australia killed his gf
@lallianzama3549 oh please don't bring religion into this, not even the nationality etc... what this guy did here is solely on him. People tend to always try to pinpoint a certain group whenever someone from the same group does something bad.
There are a lot of other criminals from other nationalities, from other religions... if such are the teachings of a religion as widespread as Islam, wouldn't the world be filled with such criminals?
@@lallianzama3549 it has nothing to do with religion but rather then the mentality of controlling women and poor parenting. All around the world for centuries women has been subjected to violence and abuse just because she dared said NO to a man.
Violence, abuse, harassment, murder it doesn't have a race or religion, those who commit crimes are just criminals and sick twisted beings.
The way I GASPED when you said he was the only son-
It honestly scared me
I didnt understand that part... like did his brother die or?
@@moistorphanhe was both the good and the bad son. They cherished the successful side and hid his mental illness
@@Plutonium.2 ohh thank you!!
@@moistorphan no problem it took me a second, too, lol
Judging by his father's reaction.....this might not be the first time he did something.....his father is 100% responsible and in some way killed her......imagine being calm knowing ur son has been raping and kidnapping someone....especially someone you possibly know since she was a child.....
I was thinking the same thing. Also the way the employees and therapy group acted makes me think he's killed before.
The way he literally chuckled when he explained that "Soliciting" is SA
Part of me thinks he was involved in the murder. Not in the sense of negligence but was actually actively involved in the plot. Like some kind of honor killing thing.
His son probably the object of sacrifice to what he worship for his fortune. A demon possessed child.
21:15 the poor dog is trying to help her by barking because he is trying to protect Noor, also the way he is following her in.
This story is really heartbreaking. Noor lives on in people's hearts for being beautiful, and tolerant, and loving, and trying to help till the very end.
Well, even diplomat women wasn't taken seriously before. This guy with connections, family name and reputation would probably not have been punished 30-40 years ago in this country. Instead of complaining how unfair and unjust life is, celebrate progress. it has to start somewhere. Of course rights to all women are the goal and something we all should fight for.
I went to her funeral!
Her family and friends gathered in a park for a candle light peaceful protest, I've seen her friends hugging each other and crying.. It was so heart breaking
It must have been so heartbreaking this case is so difficult to watch 💔
My sympathy and condolences to you and your friends. What lovely friends Nora had. It must have been so difficult for you and the family. What a tragedy that happened from a immature child . Can't even call him a man. The staff needed to let her go. I hope they all got jailed. My blood boiled when I seen the 2 guards trying not to let Nora go. And that immature child not even a man. How pathetic how he walked over to her. I wish Nora just said yes I'll marry you so she could just escape. I know it's easy said then done. My heart break because in India money talks and bullsh_t walks. People are bought for silence. I believe he was in the right frame of mind.
@@Mm2lov3r0 hi it truly was hard to watch. It's been 3 days I watched it and I'm still thinking of Nora.
How sad for you! It must have been devastating for all her friends. I can’t even imagine her family’s pain. The therapist should be charged.He dropped the ball.
@@bubbles5599it’s noor
This case broke my heart so much when it came to attention. As a Pakistani woman, I was and still am so angry that this shit happens and if her father and family weren't willing to fight for her or didn't have the power and money to do so, it would have easily been swept under the rug like countless other cases do.
may ur country get better
han, and usually the upper class families casually pay the media and the case is never brought to light. It is so infuriating and sickening
I still think of your brave, intelligent and beautiful president Benazir Bhutto and the terrible fate that befell her.
The hatred against women needs to end. But how?
_May Allah bless you with success, health, happiness, patience and strength._
Greetings from Sweden
@@DEATH-THE-GOAT ^_^ let me answer to your question
"The hatred against women needs to end. But how ?"
By rejecting that fake religion (islam) which allows to beat women (Surah 4:34) and stop listening to the teachings of the false prophet momo who said :
Women are devils
Sunan Abi Dawud 2151
Jabir said “The Prophet (ﷺ) saw a woman so he entered upon Zainab daughter of Jahsh and had intercourse with her. He (ﷺ) then came out and said to his companions and said to them “A woman advances in the form of a devil. When one of you finds that he should go to his wife (and have intercourse with her) for that will repel what he is feeling.
حَدَّثَنَا مُسْلِمُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامٌ، عَنْ أَبِي الزُّبَيْرِ، عَنْ جَابِرٍ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم رَأَى امْرَأَةً فَدَخَلَ عَلَى زَيْنَبَ بِنْتِ جَحْشٍ فَقَضَى حَاجَتَهُ مِنْهَا ثُمَّ خَرَجَ إِلَى أَصْحَابِهِ فَقَالَ لَهُمْ " إِنَّ الْمَرْأَةَ تُقْبِلُ فِي صُورَةِ شَيْطَانٍ فَمَنْ وَجَدَ مِنْ ذَلِكَ شَيْئًا فَلْيَأْتِ أَهْلَهُ فَإِنَّهُ يُضْمِرُ مَا فِي نَفْسِهِ " .
Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani) صحيح (الألباني) حكم :
May I ask, if you know. In this video she stressed how horrible killing a man is considered... is that man in the general sense meaning a human, or is it only specific to man meaning killing a woman isnt as big of a deal as killing a man?
Shame on all the staff members. The fact that she was close to escaping many times before the gardner and the guard stopped her. The way they do not even look phased when Noor is clearly injured and being abused and dragged away by her abuser.
And u know they heard her screaming..
And they were probably used to it maybe that’s what he used to do to his mom
Men will always protect eachother's crimes. Remember that
@@crestfire8008That is so not true.
@@daniellelopez3342 true for 98% of them
"He was the only son" OMG. You might be the best story teller ive ever seen!!
I so agree 💯
I was so shocked
@@jaellep9833samee
Umm, I’ve seen a lot of comments like this, but I don’t seem to understand it, can somebody explain? It would help
@@SavageSunshine474 The way she told the story everybody thought it was different people but she was talking about one single person
This is beyond heartbreaking. 😢
I am so so sick of women being treated like appliances, made for the utility of men. Please, I am begging, WE ARE HUMAN, TOO!
Many men do recognise this fact, and find this case just as disgusting and disgraceful as you do. Please don't generalise and stereotype us - though I recognise it is more culturally prevalent in some areas of the world than others. Also, if this guy was frying his brain with m3th, that will make shaky personalities even more unstable. It's a curse, and extremely dangerous for some.
They could be born female too, it is not some divine reason why they are born male. Have empathy.
@@willowcrowe4224the people who save you are also men. If you generalize it only shows your limited mental capacity and the pitiful understanding you have of your surroundings. Powerful positions are held by men, so changes are also executed by men. If men were the demons you are making out to be, you wouldn't even have the freedom or power to type all this sh*t.
@willowcrowe4224 you contradict yourself. Your saying 'not all men' is exactly the point I'm trying to make. And my feelings aren't hurt, they're outraged by what this poor girl was forced to go through. I've seen how m3th turns people into animals, male and female. This is the biggest factor in this outrage imo. The entitlement of power, and a brain fried by m3th.
@@alistairogilvy7696 I remember this guy talking about knowing someone on coke as well as someone on Meth. It was a world of difference, the latter just hollows people out. They are gone.
He killed her on eid day, the day of celebration and happiness. I can't even imagine how her family must've felt. She must have been so scared during those two days. This one just breaks my heart.
Day of sacrifice, right?
@@jeanisdancingno that is eid el Adha. And even then this comment is just disgusting we don’t kill humans it is big animals that are slaughtered in a humane way
I just feel for her and her family cause all they’ll feel on Eid al fitr is her death
@@harharharharharharharharha240 I have also heard people are starting to just donate to charity in stead of slaughtering animals. I'm not entirely sure about it though, since apparently the meat of the animals is being donated to charity, so my information might've gotten lost in translation somewhere.
This truly reminds me of a version a “honor killing”
It's a crime that the parents covered up how disturbed their son was. Their behavior allowed this innocent woman Noor to unknowingly become his obsession and future victim. The behavior of the father whilst knowing what was happening to this woman is so callous that it appears he has a very disturbed personality as well, in my opinion.
What a senseless tragedy for Noor and her family and friends.
I agree. He needed to spend some time in prison for assisting his son. The fact that he thought that Noor was disposable is sickening.
@fuzzamajumula Such a shame they didn't hold him responsible too.
Apples don't fall too far from the tree.
@user-ef7rx4pd7j Definitely seems like it here.
How many girls did he do this to, before he got caught! He sounds like a serial killer to me, and he spoke of sacrifices, and the way he spoke about slicing other women’s boobs and his perversion. 😢 it all screams a serial killer!!
I love the fact that people will go to the extent of blaming the girl, her parents, her "lack of faith" etc. for the outcome. What about the guy and his faith? What about his morals and values. What about holding the man to those wild standards. Yet, he gets to r*pe, abuse, and murder someone and she is the one to blame for her lack of morals and faith?
Tbh same faith is reason for millions women suffering and dying. If not for the faith women and men everywhere will have equal laws
@Xoxososowi Exactly, pisses me off people going around insisting "Islam is not a violent religion" when that obviously does not apply across all groups. It is responsible for people to qualify that Islam is not *inherently* a violent religion, and that many sects are peaceful. But it is also true that many majority Muslim countries and communities have obvious problems with violence (esp. against women) that are deeply tied with the religion. We can't ignore that harm just because some people are Islamophobic.
@@hope1575No Islam is not a religion of violence, just because some groups of people who belong to a particular religion does something wrong, does not automatically makes the religion wrong or violent. Fyi, in Islam abuse is a sin, whether it's physical, mental or verbal abuse. And just because a "Muslim" is abusive or commits murder does not label Islam as a violent religion
@moradekeadeola1770 I didn't say that it universally is. Nor is it fundamentally a religion of peace because many groups are peaceful. No religion is monolithic; it is a complex social phenomenon, and nuance is key. But stop trying to excuse widespread systemic abuses and violence as just individual bad actors - that's not just one guy, that's millions of people who consider those things part of their religious practice. The development of such factions is not unique to Islam, but it should not be ignored.
Goes to show you just how hated women are, they’re the ultimate victims but it’ll never be acknowledged because it’s always their fault somehow
Stephanie. I live around 25 minutes away from where this happened - and a dear friend is very close friends with both families involved in this case. When I tell you - This was horrific! I have now lived in the city for 8 years, and for the first time in my life here, my parents (who reside in another city) started getting very scared for my safety. Bear in mind that a good 35% of our working class are women, and Islamabad is a safe city overall. This one event changed the course of our lives and I remember being so angry and sad for this poor poor girl. She could do much for the economy of this country, her parents and the world but her life was cut short due to the callousness, salacious nature and cruelty of another human being. I am not exaggerating when I tell you that I spent countless sleepless nights after this event. May her soul find eternal peace and bliss and may history never repeat itself when it comes to events like this one! Stay safe y’all.
As half Pakistani this was an outrageous case in Egypt as well, very tragic indeed. But does not represent the country nor the Pakistani culture. We can however learn from the mistakes of the “perfectionist parenthood culture “
@@TheMaskedChef7lies
@@MissAyame89What !?!
It must be so so scary, I wouldn't sleep either.i heard this case on rotten mango podcast..I am horrified and so broken hearted for her
Incase anyone is wondering the name “Nour” "نور" means “Light” in Arabic 💔
With the doctor calling her "that girl" seems to me like he's trying to disassociate himself with the fact that he was there to help dispose of her. To clear his conscience.
I'm am so sick of victim blaming. It is beyond disgusting.
bingo !!
This is disgusting. Not just the son, but the whole family. The way women are viewed in this part of the world is inhumane and barbaric. Kudos for bringing this case to our attention. More people need to know about this
100%
Men are the same everywhere. A 15 year old was just stabbed to death in London for asking a man to stop harassing her friend to accept flowers. Not every man in these regions share such views.
💯! In a way, this was a version of an “honor killing” to me. Breaks my heart
the racist undertones of this comment... wow.... "the way women are viewed in this part of the world". Pakistan has had a women Prime Minister... has America or Canada had one yet? There are evil people everywhere, you shouldn't be generalizing
@@HS-ie8tj Well, no. You can find men like this everywhere, that's for sure, but don't let yourself be foolish enough to believe that the society someone lives in doesn't influence the way they are. Because it does.
Almost every society, to a degree, tells men that it's shameful to get rejected by a woman and ok to defend your pride, that women have to be a bit more soft and polite than they have to be, etc.
But societies like in Pakistan are way, way more patriarchic than let's say the UK. That's why crimes against specifically women are more common there.
People are the same everywhere, as a basis, but it's greatly influenced by the society they live in, how they turn out and behave, since it greatly influences how they think and feel about things.
So, saying the "where" doesn't really matter is kind of a slap in some victims and activists faces. So many try hard and risk all to make their country, their society, a better and saver one and you say (likely accidentally) that it doesn't matter, since it's the same everywhere anyway. Which is so far from the truth and that's proven by statistics and personal stories alike.
This is why women are choosing to be with a bear than with men! A bear doesn’t act on ego. He knew her, dated her and he still murdered her when she didn’t want him anymore.
Well, women can also do evil. My mother abused the hell out of us and almost killed me. You also have cases where wives kill to try to get health insurance. Not all women or men bad. A Korean step mom killed her step son by putting him in a suitcase. You think women don't act on ego?
this girl really does deserve a reward for being so good at storytelling. i never found another youtuber as good as her
i tried so many other podcasts but i couldnt shes too good
Saaaaame. For a male podcaster I'd recomend Aaron Mahnke, he does Lore and a bunch of different shows, but it's a completely different vibe. Sthep gives the vibe that she is really talking to you like.. telling you personal stuff. Her emotions shine through so much!
Really?
@@sarahisatitagain Coffeehouse Crime and Mr. Ballen are my go-to male TH-camrs/Podcasters for this and similar content. Adrian, from ChC, tells the stories from the perspective of the victims, and always makes sure the emphasis is on them rather than the criminals. Mr. Ballen is just a truly exceptional storyteller of the strange, dark, and mysterious. Both are incredibly good.
Yeah I listen while I’m working
Those people that turned her around and wouldn't help her escape are just as guilty and should at least be counted as accessories to her murder.
For real
They were given 10 years of prison
@@ashley-or7zp wow not a life sentence. At least.
those other crime assistants should get the same sentence as the criminal,
doing a crime and assisting is the same thing symbolically even if not technically.
@@ashley-or7zptoo little
Femecide is a worldwide issue we need to do our best to shine light on it , we need to demand justice. I am so sick of people downplaying the violence women go through. It's disgusting we as a society as humans need to do better. If we see something say something please!!!
i agree with @RojaJaneman , i know lot of mens who dont speak up about their domestic violence because they dont want to be a cry baby.
there is even a case about a famous tiktok girl who's killed her husband because he didnt search for help (stabbed him with scissors after months of domestic violence)
@@hito1988nobody is saying this doesn’t happen to other genders. We are saying this is such a major problem for one specific gender that it even has a name and is disproportionately affecting us in essentially every single country and not enough is being done and not enough people care. because we are supporting the cause against femicide does not mean we aren’t supporting men. In this regard, in terms of worldwide deaths and cases, women are extremely affected and at risk and it is a major crisis. Same for trans men and women and non-binary people, it is at a rate so high that it lowers their life expectancy. When you hear these things, why not pour your support to into helping people (including men) instead of changing the conversation to something else. Men are abused and that is completely unacceptable and something we should fight as a society, truly. But this is worldwide mass murder of women. I’m not trying to be combative, but it’s so disheartening that every conversation about stopping femicide has to be rerouted to something else that really is valid, but is just not the topic we are talking about at the moment which is thousands upon thousands of women being murdered a year BECAUSE they are women and needs to be solved as fast as possible.
Naw femcide only happen in India now its ended stop victimise youself because of people like you I laugh on real raped victims
Violence n murder of men is way higher than women. We need to just stop killing ppl in general. Mental illness n anger is what needs a light shined on it….
@@hito1988it does happen but please be fr. hate crimes like this doesn’t happen nearly as much as it does when men do it. men on men crimes happen far more than women on male DV that should tell you where the biggest issue lies. we all know there’s good men and women out there yet you don’t hear women scream “not all women” at every turn cuz WE KNOW
I stumbled upon your podcast and I what is instantly mesmerized buy your compassion, next with your ability to tell incredible stories. It's absolutely no wonder that you have 2.2 million subscribers. Definitely one of the top two broadcast channels out on social media.
I'm from Islamabad and I found out about this case on eid and it just made me miserable for the whole week. What's worse is that people find a way to victim blame the poor girl when none of this was her fault
Same I'm also from Islamabad n this case and another where best friend had her friend presented to her dad n tortured mad me so mad n want to carry firearm for protection
I remember. And the motorway incident happened around the same time. Everyone was terrified to leave the house. And I remember people literally kept blaming the women in both cases. "why was she there?". Why don't they ask the right questions. Why don't they ask why he did what he did. Why did he think that was okay?
@@fatima_jamil oh my god yes! The motorway incident was just horrible beyond words! I cannot even imagine how traumatic it still must be for the poor mom and her kids especially with all the sensationalization and victim blaming. I pray that she's able to find peace in her life and realizes that none of that was her fault.
@@stafeleez same. I can't even imagine. I remember how unsafe the environment became. One of the postgrads in the hospital I study in made jokes about it to a classmate of mine. I felt so disgusting and unsafe. This gets talked about all the time. Everywhere. It's so scary
I wish you the best, be safe
the fact that she wasn't going to even accept his proposal even wen her life is on the line is kinda admirable, she never even gave him the satisfaction of a lie to even heal his ego! that takes too much courage ... poor girl I pray she is in the kingdom of heaven at peace
I honestly dont believe he killed her cause she rejected a proposal. I think thats his own way of trying to "shift blame" onto her cause she's the one who "rejected his noble request". I believe he killed her for a worse reason, probably cause she refused to have sex with him or something just as sinister. But he was trying his best to do damage control. Cause i personally would be accepting that proposal for the time being if that meant i get to save my own life
@@moistorphan I don't think that was an option to her, just accepting now and backing out later. IIRC divorce is heavily frowned upon in the Islamic religion and hard to make happen, especially if it's a Wife wanting to divorce the husband. With Noor being very religious, I highly doubt she would do that, even to save her life.
@@thedeathray8620 i dont think i need to mention that lying to save ones own life is okay... she can "accept" his proposal. And altho divorce does become harder when kids are involved, this woman is supported by her parents and i doubt she would have a hard time getting a divorce, in the case that she does ACTUALLY comply with his wish and marry him
@@thedeathray8620 that’s true of Catholicism maybe, but not Islam.
She could have been unwilling to back out of a promise (even when it was made under threat of death) due to her own personal honor, or he could have been lying about why he killed her. We'll never know. Either way, RIP Noor.
Watching her propel out of the high Window and still get up and run in all the pain she must have been in makes me feel so sick to my stomach. Poor baby really fought to survive and everyone around her failed her
They assumed she was worthless, because she was female.
Heartbreaking & the horror & pain her parents have had to endure is equally beyond comprehension and heartbreaking 😭😢
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As a Muslim, I would like to thank you for beautifully portraying Islam when you cover cases. This case is heartbreaking, condolences to the family of Noor.
"The plight of being a woman is universal."
And it's ongoing. Humanity has advanced in technology, and AI, and all that weird shit, BUT can still be backward thinking in treating women. Crazy world we live in.. Thank you Stephanie in covering this case and highlighting societal issues other than the crime of just one man.
@Maria
Yup, even in US, the way women are viewd by some women.
For real. Other issues like racism are being fought and taken seriously, but for some reason misogyny is still viewed as “normal”. I guess thats what happens when the world is dominated by males.
How come we can acknowledge that slavery is cruel, but can’t acknowledge that abortions are a human right?
Everything has advanced, except for some men, they are still cavemen or even animals.
@@amandaa3713That's what hurts the most. With men you could argue that they are just unable to put themselves in another persons shoes, still a goddamn problem with how much of the narrative they still control when it comes to women's struggels but at least there is an explanation no matter how shitty it is, but other women who grew up with the same struggles and fears and still spout that idiotic drivel get my blood boiling.
@@lexa2310😂nice projection. There are way more men helping women than vice versa.
Thank you so much for humanizing Noor. I feel like she gets lost in all of this. I remember when this happened. I live in the city this happened and Islamabad is considered quite safe. This happened in a very posh neighborhood. Everyone was so shocked. I remember how traumatized all of us women were. It was so messed up. My med school professor was telling us to be careful and dress appropriately and stay safe ( as if that would do anything). We're fed up. We're sick of this. I remember we had many sleepless nights after this. It's so scary because we don't feel like anyone can protect us. If you're rich, you can pay off police officers. People don't want to call police for this reason or what's even worse, they get involved too. Police will literally arrest a couple for sitting on a bench but let people get away with murder. I pray this changes. And honestly, Noor's family did so much to change this. Her father has showed so much strength and said he will keep going for every daughter in Pakistan. Noor has no idea but she has changed the world.
Are you able arm yourself with bear spray or similar there? :
@@halfwen4575does it really make a difference when terrorists are roaming around freely with ak-47 and strap-on suicide vests?
@@arpan9937you actually think people are walking around with Ak 47s in Pakistan 😭
@arpan9937 idk the laws & suggesting something that may be a legal option >_
@@halfwen4575 you can carry pepper spray on you. A lot of people carry tasers too.
I blame the family for setting him up with an innocent woman. They knew how horrible of a person he was and I’m pretty sure at least one of his female childhood acquaintances had to have complained to them about his behavior. The family tried to cover up how deranged he was and practically lured an innocent person into a horrible situation.
The weird behavior of everyone around Zahir Jaffer is sus, like this is not the first time he held a woman captive in the house. 😮
I'm also from Asia and arranged marriages are very common. One of my distant relative got married to this "wonderful man" and on the wedding night, she realised her new husband is crazy. She called her dad the next morning, asking to initiate divorce. The husband's family said "oh he's just a little autistic, he has anxiety yada yada yada". Okay fine. A week later they go on a trip and she tears her sandal strap. Her husband was screaming and immediately slapped her right in front everybody for "breaking the sandal strap".
This girl went home immediately, called her dad, said she is divorcing this insane man and saved herself from the trouble
I freaking love whenever we hear Mr. mango say a bewildered “Ok..?” 😂 like yes we are all confused together
I find it strange that people would focus on Nora's faith. It doesn't matter if she prayed 5 times a day or spent the night dancing on a pole. Nobody DESERVES to be murdered!
Honestly, I blame the guy's parents. They hide their son's mental illness from his fiancée, they've been covering up for him his entire life (drug party the ended with 4 women dead), they are still trying to cover up for him when he made the shift to murderer AND even though this a family friend's daughter their knee jerk reaction was "how do I hide the body". At this point I firmly believe the dad is also insane, it's just not normal.
No one said anything about it but you. Youbare the only one I see making a comment about the girls faith.
Helloo?? Try watching the whole video or at least google people's reactions before commenting@@karentucker2161
she was a religious girl and broke up with the guy bcs he was getting in the way of her faith; lets not bring up religion here
@@karentucker2161 maybe you don’t see it in THIS COMMENT section, but the fact of the matter IS HER FAITH DID GET QUESTIONED and BY HER OWN PEOPLE, did you NOT just watch the same video OP and I did??
Her name was Noor not Nora.
The murder suspect was identified as 27-year-old Zahir Jaffer who was arrested at the scene of the crime and taken to the police station. The parents and household staff of Jaffer were arrested for hiding evidence and complicity, because Noor made multiple escape attempts but the household staff refused to permit her to leave. The murder was premeditated as Jaffer later confessed to police that he intended to kill Noor if she refused to accept his marriage proposal.
Zahir Jaffer was sentenced to death for the murder of Noor Mukadam by Islamabad session court in February 2022, while Jaffer's guards Iftikhar and Mohammad Jan were given ten years of imprisonment
Absolutely yes, they deserved all of the punishments. Except poor Noor 😢
He is from a rich family in a corrupt country like Pakistan. I suspect he is going through all the appeal procedures available and also his family is taking advantage of their political contacts. I doubt he will ever be executed.
@@suzy8109I hope that murderer will be executed and those accomplices will serve their sentences as they should be. For sure, Noor's family has connections as well. They will not let go of this case and will bring justice to Noor's death.
They should have given the accomplices life in my opinion. They had so many opportunities to let her free or call the police. They are complicit in her murder.
@@suzy8109 noors family are literally politicians I'm sure they have a strong connection to government
The dad has a CLEAR LACK of respect for anyone’s life other than his son. Not only because he covered up NOORS MURDER but he called people to GO OVER when he is dangerous.
Something people dont understand in the west is that families can hold more power than government if you dont play by the rules designed to weaken the power of familes. They knew this, he was the next head have family and they didnt have time time to make another. Generations of work across centuries, wasted.
This is in no way a justification but it is a lens through which you can understand the thought process of it. Its on the parents for not raising him better and reigning him in more as much as its his own fault.
lol you western don't understand islmic country like Pakistan
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My newest favorite story teller. Y'all do a great job
Its very impressive how much research she does to practically memorize probably about 2 hours worth of talking about a story as if she was literally there at all the scenes like it was yesterday. Amazing skills and very intelligent lady.
That’s why I never mind listening for hours
I can binge listen/watch Stephanie’s stories!
She actually said it’s others who research a lot of these. She just tells the stories.
@@tellmeaboutit9975 it’s still very impressive how Steph made sure to have a team of researchers and I am sure she spends good amount of time to re-tell their hard work they’ve put it research. Also, we see only 2 hours, Im sure they are sitting and filming for more than 2 hours
@@tellmeaboutit9975 If the average person were to weave all of that research into a story, they would probably sound robotic, awkward, or even confused, even after days of prep. Not Stephanie, though, especially considering the rate at which she posts. She's got talent.
Doesn’t matter who your employer is or if you just “followed orders” they decided to help this monster instead of the innocent woman. Hope these people get what they deserve
They will
I mean... having to say no in the face of a really powerful family whose also a psycho, that's a very difficult thing to do when you're the one standing across from him
Thank you so much for your enthusiasm and storytelling. You are a delight.😊
No way whats this?
@@UmaymaKhayreThey donated 50 dollars to Stephanie.
“He’ll come around” “he can come to JAIL” I couldn’t agree more. I was like “YUPPPPP” out loud
you could be the 'perfect' victim, & it'll still be your fault. it's always about what more you should've done better, how you're responsible for the crime committed against you.
devastated that even an act as heinous as what this man-this full grown adult man-did can be used to victimize* an already deceased woman further by placing the blame on her, sullying her name.. but so, so happy that there's pushback. heart goes out the the family & the people continuously fighting against gender based violence in Pakistan.
yes, especially if the victim is a woman. Or just anything besides a straight cis man honestly... Can't even let Noor have some peace and respect in death. Disgusting
Bruh these Nepo Baby cases are always so shady 💀
The worst part is that these mostly never get solved..
Facts!!
Thank goodness Noor was a Nepo baby herself otherwise her case really would have been swept under a rug. Daughter of a diplomat and they still tried so hard to hide the nature of her death. Disgusting. The whole family of Zahir is rotten
and the only reason why this case was solved was because the victim lost her life. even with all the evidences, there are incidents where these nepo baby culprits get away. crazy how money talks
Power and influence can help you in anything.
Whats nepo by the way?
Man or woman, DO NOT EVER meet with an ex so that they can have ‘closure’ .
Didn’t even mention that he fell from off screen, at least a second story, to drag her back in..
I just hate the the parents, KNOWING their son was like that, would STILL try to set him up with a poor unsuspecting girl. And such an amazing girl too, how tragic!
Also great plot twist that Zahir was an only child my stomach DROPPPED
Yes it's sickening 😢
He isn't. He has a sister. We know his family
@euoniautopia
I've seen this before in mid eastern and far eastern cultures. Families have a son that is not right and the parents seek to marry him off but the girl is expected to work miracles but when that doesn't happen that way, she is blamed for his abuse; beating her and SA in marriage. And if she runs, or asks the parents for help, she is told to return to her husband. This gets into honor killings and the insane rationales that go with it. These countries are so primitive and barbaric one would think their leaders would make some effort to bring these countries out of the Dark Ages. This even extends down through Arabia and Africa. Meanwhile, in Africa there are those who are also practicing FGM. The whole thing where women are concerned is one great big horror show. 🍂
So, doesn't he have a younger brother? The sick younger brother is actually Zahir himself?
He has a younger brother and sister. We heard the sister was in the home at the time poor Noor was there but then later someone else said they saw her insta pics and she was in New York at that time...who knows. In this video Stephanie has made it sound like Zahir had a younger brother who was sick and then it turns out it was Zahir all along. But that's to make the story interesting, He has two younger siblings who are both pretty decent by all accounts. Zahir always had a history of violence, he had a case of domestic violence filed against him cos he had attacked his mother (I think that was in the UK and he'd been deported for that) and a rape case in the US for which he did some jail time cos he's a US citizen.@@MsTranthihai71
I was a follower of Noor's activism, and the news of her passing was incredibly heartbreaking. She was a brilliant young woman, and I can’t imagine the things she must have endured felt during those two days. It's truly heart-wrenching that one person's ego caused so much suffering & misery for another. Can only hope for some peace for her family and friends, and peace for her, wherever she is.
Nora"s faith is not the question that should be asked. The question is why does the public not see her murderer for who he was and is. This is just how people think about when women are murdered by a crazy ass killer.
But the public in general absolutely sees it. It's just that some, too many, don't. But the overall public does.
Her name was Noor, not Nora. Just a small correction❤
her name is not Nora but Noor Muqadam
What are you talking about? There is no single "individual" who actually claims to not see this murderer for who he actually is. It's the media and the powers that run the world who try to hide these facts
Most people from the public can see it just fine, it's just a certain proportion of the netizens in Pakistan who are victim blaming Noor. The more we focus on these toxic comments the more it stays in the light. I just report them whenever I see them and move on. Platforms like youtube are actually actively removing comments like this, unlike facebook and instagram. Once a platform ignored my reports more than a certain number of times, I basically uninstall it
This is the first time in my life that I see a non-muslim, especially a US citizen speak reasonably about Islam and going the extra mile to explain the reasoning behind our customs and laws in a favorable way.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
I'm sorry about everything my country says and does about your religion. I'm an atheist, I don't see religion as logical but I understand the emotional aspect, and you deserve much better than how you're treated.
I was pretty confused here. It's so forbidden that if you do it, it should happen again? What is this about
@@lemonstealinghorsdoeuvre no its so forbidden who does deserve the ultimate punishment
@@ahmadmog5018 I still don't understand. I get how abhorrent it is and seen as. And I get that it's generally the ultimate punishment devised by most cultures, so that's fair enough for me. I guess it's something like _if you do the worst possible thing, your punishment will match as the worst possible punishment._
I promise there are so many of us here in America!
your sensitivity and the compassion you show for victims and their families restores a bit of my faith in humanity. it serves as a reminder that amidst so much horror, there are still good people out there.
You know her in real life!?
@@sebastianalexander5564they're talking in regards to the way she talks about the cases here on youtube
Either way im sure she is a good person in regards to sensitive topics no one in their right mind will poke fun on such things please use your brains .
Seeing all the surveillance footage broke my heart. Noor really kept fighting for her life. Shame on everyone who helped her stay captive in that monster Zahir’s house.
For real. 😠 Doing absolutely nothing
It was a rich family that ignored the insanity of the son. They just wanted their paychecks.
I remember being in the university hostel when i saw this news for the first time. I was devastated. A couple weeks later another news started going viral of a missing child that was SAed and unalived by someone close.
I remember losing control over my nerves and crying so hard all of a sudden that many students gathered around me..they thought someone close to me died. But it was my faith in humanity and relationships that died that day. I remember kept saying that if close relationships, our own people are threat to us then where we're supposed to go? Where is the safe place for us if a child is not safe.. if the man you think loves you, kills you brutally. 💔
every time u people forget that Rahman and Satan both live in form of humans in this world. There is not a single country where all are angels. We most of the time when remember the incident of APS , we think about terrorists but what about those teachers who sacrificed themselves for their students? we are so addicted to seeing negative side of things. You are a teacher and you are losing your faith, do you think you'll be able to teach the lesson of humanity to your students?
@SHAFAMATEEN I've come to a complete stop in everything I was doing previously just to reply to your comment because I feel the exact opposite. The original poster is not in the wrong here. There is nothing wrong with being shocked, disturbed, and feeling emotional when hearing about the torture and murder of an innocent woman. If anything, this teacher is showing more 'humanity' simply by being disturbed and upset over the death of someone she (assuming this teacher is female) didn't even know. Shedding tears in front of students shows that not only is it okay to cry, but that crying can help you heal-that it's okay to have a moment of "weakness."
The amount of violence against women in this world is absurd and needs to stop. But, alas, here we are. We all know it will continue until the day we all die.
This teacher did nothing wrong.
May Noor rest in peace.
@@SHAFAMATEEN
It is always women's fault, right?
first of all sister, i didnt say that a person cant be weak, we all are humans and feel emotions, but I am just saying that parents and teachers are backbone of society, if a teacher tells me that i cant excel in my studies, i wouldnt actually bcz teachers' remarks make a great impression.@@zimtastic1171 I come from family of teachers, my father has received best teacher awards by government a lot of times and he says that Allah has given the "loh and Qalm" to teacher and he writes the destiny of his students by the will of Allah. I hate it when teachers who are supposed to make their students good Muslims and good Pakistani show faithlessness in front of their students, they need to be strong especially in front of students
did I say it anywhere? @@amandaa3713
I love the fact that you have enlightened that Islam is not a violent religion but the guy was violent n he wasn't a religious person.. Tysm Stephanie for this video I have learned a lot of things from your videos.. Love ya..
This was so touching. I never understood why my dad left his country. He simply wanted a safe environment for my siblings and me. It’s so heartbreaking to hear and see how women continue to be treated 😭.
This is so sad😢😢😢.. this poor woman
Can we all agree that Stephanie is the BEST at telling stories and explaining things 🩷🩷✋✋
YESS ❤
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It sounds like everyone around him was used to this behavior. I’m willing to bet that the guard text to that dad saying “rude behavior” was just code for “he’s back at it” and the therapist knew of this man’s tendencies so that’s why the father contacted him and said “soliciting a woman” he thought the doctor could keep him from making the same mistake he may have made before.
That's what I thought too. I thought that the therapist knew he could be violent especially if that guy was a patient at the therapists work place. I thought therapist might have brought backup Incase they needed to subdue him due to his violent tendencies.
But honestly now it's just weird..
I love your channel and I hope you are well. Thank you for giving us great content. I have FASD and other issues and honestly creators on TH-cam like you are an important part in my life and keeping my mental health straight. You rock! I would give you more but I live off government benefits. Also the causes you support and the messages you send out to the public are very important. Thank you.
It’s heart wrenching how women in many countries are treated, murdered, raped, beaten, and all around abused mentally and physically and are treated even less worth then a stray dog, you would think in modern days these atrocities would never be heard of anymore and women would be treated and valued as they should be for with out women this world would perish. PERIOD!!!!
For real, even though women and children are just as important in humankind. As the Next Generation.
Something that I have found so so crazy and appalling is the fact that if a young girl any woman I should say gets raped then she's the one that has to pay the price! Her own family will kill her for this ,it makes no sense to me it makes no sense at all!
@@scapelaine4529 for real 🤨
Haha Women like you sounds really funny
Does it matter why she went there? Does people who blamed her doesn't consider she went there to have her final goodbye to someone she used to hold wonderful memories with? and you know what, regardless of what the reason she may have, nobody deserve to die, nobody deserve that.
Nobody deserves to be tortured for two days and raped only to then be killed and disrespected even in death and treated worse than cattle in factory farms.
But misogyny makes people think someone, especially women, deserve that, for even just breathing
RIP Noor! She sounded like a truly special, unselfish person. I don't think I have ever heard of a more likable, down to earth, rich girl.
As a black person when u have a few people in your group that does bad it really makes the whole look bad
im glad to know you acknowledge that
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What a gruesome murder. A thought came into mind about why Zahir's employees didn't open the door. Could it be possible that Zahir's father tried to gather up the therapists and others to show up to his son's house just to get murdered so that the "robbery plot" would hold? Hence why the 3 staff employees inside didn't open the door. They want the two groups to break in so it would look as if Zahir is being mobbed. If Zahir's gun didn't malfunction, I'm pretty sure there should more casualties that night. Zahir and his family are selfish and evil af!
Holy shit. I guess it is possible. The way the family handled the situation is insane. I imagine it is difficult to help an addict with serious mental illness but it seems to me like they straight up enabled him as long as they could keep it under wraps and keep the family image clean.
I actually thought of that as well. Even when they were calling random "family friends" in hope of them showing up at their house so he could claim that the one who broke in was the one who killed Noor, and that he killed them because of that.
What you said at 1:01.36 about "she was R-worded" vs. "He R-worded her" is such an important distinction. This should be screamed at every journalist or anyone who reports about these assaults.
The attention should always belong to the victim, not the perpetrator.
@@lexa2310that is a dubious statement and just untrue. Everyone recognize that large number of violence towards women happen everyday but unless it also highlight the perpetrator/s (who happens to be men large number of the time) then it's be treated as an accident instead of *violence*, leading us to focus to women/victim to defend themselves and prevent (by clothing and behavior) instead of looking the other way to the perpetrator.
It’s the same thing
Isn't it crazy also that Social platforms won't even let you say the actual word without being policed.
@@carlawilliams2049i mean......it's not exactly out of a vacuum. the internet has been home to r*pe threats for as long as it's been accessible to people. it's the sheer scale of such violence that makes it harder to discuss openly and honestly, let alone without retaliation. verbally, no one threatens with terms like assault, SA, or "r-word." they exist purely in contexts where assault is being discussed and not threatened. if anything, i would think that might create safer spaces for people to talk about their experiences? it's an unfortunate consequence of the culture with a bit of a protective silver lining. it really just goes to show how deeply ingrained SA is into human culture 😞
Apart from the story, I LOVE how she cares about not offending people on their religion how she always says “ correct me if I’m wrong” She is such a kind woman.
I could correct a lot in this one regarding scripture and the story of Abraham and his son that he by faith almost sacrificed. The son was not Ishmael. It’s a beautiful story that shows us that Jesus was in the Old Testament and this story is a profound prophecy of The One and Only God who came to save us all of our sins. Everyone should read this amazing story. Praying for everyone who sees this that the Holy Spirit will show Himself to you🙏
@@JennstuartAmen 🤍
@@JennstuartIshmael is the Islam version, I think it differs a bit in the christian version
It's not about the scripture written in the bible stop makung a fuss about it .@@Jennstuart
So long as shes asking muslims she will keep thinking killing is a huge sin for them. They have lying about it built into the religion, it's called taqiyya.
They'll point to the 1st half where that is very true but will ignore the 2nd half and the fact it dictates the 2nd half takes precedent if there's a contradiction when talking to people outside of the faith
34:00 It looks more like he jumped out of the house from a second story rather than run out of the house
Yea
Stephanie I can't thank you enough for covering cases from Pakistan. The fact that horrible monsters like these roam around us and even COUNSEL CHILDREN is beyond terrifying. As a Pakistani I have to say this case kept us all up at night. I pray that Noor and her family get justice.
Thankyou so much again for bringing these cases to light.
As a practising Muslim i appreciate your understanding of Islam. As a man im disgusted by how women are treated in a societies across the world and more so in societies that favours males over females. It is unjust and crule the fear that women and girls have to live with throughout their lives. They face harassment, stalking, SA, violence, kidnapping and murder. This story makes me very sad for Noor and her family and enraged at this monster and his family.
It's your faith that allows men to treat women like this. Of course not all men do that but its allowed. That's the problem. Women have no rights in this faith.
Islam may not be a violent religion in theory, but it sure is violent in practice.
Just like how Christianity is a loving religion in theory, but it's hateful in practice.
The religion isn't the problem, the people are.
@@deviantmoore9744as a Christian I completely agree! Some people use their religion as an excuse to be horrible people, it truly goes past what their religion is about in the first place. It's such a shame :(
@@deviantmoore9744 As a Muslim I totally agree with you, and I find it quite disgusting that people use religion as a excuse for doing something so terrible
May God bless you!
My mom used to be neighbors with their family. They said she was a very sweet girl. My mom was absolutely devastated to find out what happened to her
Steph....ive been watching ur content for the past year and trust me....for some reason i had already predicted that the guy could be an only son without a brother. You are doing such a great job with communicating these cases. Thank you so much.
The inequality and victim blaming in this case are heartbreaking. Very well covered as always, Stephanie. Love your cases
I'm sick and tired of women dying because they said no to a man. Noor had a whole life ahead of her and he took it from her. These monsters can’t keep getting away with these heinous crimes but this is the sad reality for women around the world.
Sometimes not even because we say no. Sometimes women are killed just because we’re women.
So true about the way SA is discussed.
That poor young lady. She didn’t deserve a single horrible thing. She felt she was simply showing up to say goodbye and have peace for the end of a relationship.
People have to try hard to put a single bit of pain on Noor. She is a beautiful woman that clearly left an amazing stamp on the world. I hope for peace in her family and they can recover from such a painful loss. You were a great woman, Noor. We know your story now ( thank you Stephanie ). I hope we can do our best to prevent such awful things from happening.
Stephanie did a great retelling of the Abraham and Isaac situation. I’m a Christian African-American and you do your research and you do well so keep going
Wow... just wow. I don't believe you have ever read Genesis in your life after this statement.
@@jameshathaway5117 Well what part of the story was wrong
@@phumelelemthiyane7506 not enough emphasis on the horror of commanding a man to murder his son as a prank. abrahamitic religions are for psychopaths only.
@@phumelelemthiyane7506 the part where Steph thought that Ishmael is just the Ismalic version of Isaac's name, as if they are the same person 😂. They are not. Ishmael is Isaac's older half-brother. Ishmael was the fruit of Abraham r@ping Hagar, the handmaiden of Sarah (Abraham's wife and sister) some time before Isaac was born. Tbf, at least Steph admitted she does not remember the story perfectly.
My dad used to have that same laugh... I had only ever seen my dad get choked up, but never cry. So when I answered the phone to him crying hysterically and telling me to come to my door, I knew my brother was gone... He took his own life, and my dad has not been the same. Sorry to drop that trauma bomb. That just really hit home for me.
I'm so sorry. 💔
I am so sorry that’s made me cry for your father. Please stay close and kind to him😢
After hearing the entire case & getting to the story regarding Abraham & Isaac, now I understand why you mentioned Zahir said Noor was a ‘sacrifice’. The celebration was actually Eid al-Adha, not Eid al-Fitri since it took place in July. It is disgusting how he violated her even after she passed & tarnished her reputation. I pray that Noor is sent to the highest level of heaven, she did not deserve any of this & I wish the world was better to women.
Her reputation wasn't tarnished at all, no matter what was done to her. This devil of a man and his family are the one tarnished forever.
@@AnuradhaKarmakar any sane thinking person would never thought of Noor's reputation being tarnished, but then again you have people that are blaming her for being there in the first place. I am not a muslim or Pakistani so I have to ask if the culture or religion contributes to this line of thinking by these people, because honestly it's incomprehensible to me, that they can have such insane, inhuman rationale that the woman is even somewhat to blame.
@@kenhew4641 The culture is definitely to blame and religion is used as a crutch to encourage these sick depraved views about women, I am a Pakistani woman myself so I see this sickness every day.
Her reputation logically should not be affected but people here blame her and some even call her a wh0re and say she deserved it, it's disgusting. My own mother sometimes slips and victim blames her
@@Maya_hee thanks for explaining. It also seems that it might be a generational thing. I hope future generation of Pakistanis will ditch this old, outdated patriarchal mindset. Having laws is not enough, when even after justice is served the public still holds the opinion that the victim especially women victims are to blame, for crimes commited ON them, not BY them smh
@@kenhew4641 they follows the most Cruel RELIGION
That poor woman. The pain and the terror she must have felt right up to her death. It's horrific. And the staff didn't let her leave?? What sort of environment was that? Such evil. I don't know why I'm surprised at the evil that human beings are capable.
As a Pakistani girl myself, I remember surrounded by extreme depression during this case. And to this date almost 3 years after, I am still extremely devastated whenever I get reminded of what happened and how this rich wild boy keeps getting away with what he deserves one way or the other. Till this day he is not hanged 💔💔
another pakistani crime !! as a desi person, I am so so grateful you bring attention to cases that people outside of south asia would probably never hear about because cases like these are so important, especially against women because sadly countries like pakistan still struggle with gender equality and gender safety
Edit: please ignore some of the replies here a whole war started and be aware of misogyny and islamophobia if you do read the comments
True... Greetings from Greece 🇬🇷 my friend
Stay safe and a good person 💕
It is a shame as a muslim country to have a culture that goes against your religion in all kind of sense.
They claim that’s lies tho….
Yes exactly!!
Absolutely! An estimated 1000 women are subjected to honour killing in Pakistan each year. These are only the cases that are reported, many cases go unreported. In this case the behaviour of the parents, the people who heard everything happening, and society in general after this case came to limelight, show how efd up the reality is!!
She was 27 years old and the daughter of a former diplomat, Shaukat Mukadam. She was murdered at a house in an upscale neighborhood, Sector F-7/4, of Islamabad, on 20 July 2021. Noor was held hostage for two days, tortured with a knuckleduster, then decapitated with a knife. Noor was raped before being murdered.
😔rest in peace to her
😡 her ex and killer can go rot in prison and hell too.
He better get what's coming to him, swift & sure justice :
and what do you want to know ? How she was raped ? She basically opened her legs in the first place
I shudder to think if Noor was from some tribal group or from a simple poor family, this ‘Influential and rich’ family of the perpetrator would have buried the case and it would not even come in the media…forget the court of law!
How evil is this!! Again a brilliant, knowledgeable, beautiful, kind and bright woman butchered just because this horrible vile monster did not like being said NO to!!!!!
Parents need to raise better children to be good people and responsible citizens!
Rest in peace beautiful Noor✨😔 This world lost a radiant light🌟
As a South Asian / Desi person, I am ready to hear another case I have never heard of because so many Asian cases get swept under the rug due to honor and social stigma in the culture.
Indian, eh?
@@arpan9937could be Bangladeshi
@@loreyxilluminaor Sri Lankan. Desi usually means Tamilian and not muslim
@@kenhew4641 when did I say Muslim? And that Bangladeshi often refer themselves as desi people, I know cause I lived there for 10 years
@@loreyxillumina True, i would to do despite being born in the uk to bangladeshi parents
I wanted to say that I love how you address the issue of gender in most of your videos. Mental health is also a topic you put effort into addressing. In this one I also really loved how you addressed Islamophobia and misinformation in such a graceful way. 💐💐💐
So a man can decide on a whim to sentence a woman to death for something as small as hurting their ego, but a man can’t be sentenced to death for committing the crime? Personally, life without parole sounds cruel and more deserving. We r made to be caring to everyone even at our own expense and sometimes lives. I see misogynistic comments on the daily on IG. Dads, moms, or any guardian should be teaching their sons to protect our girls not treat them like a piece of meat.
RIP to Noor, she was so beautiful and truly a gift. Her family seems so lovely and she should be here with them.
Plz be careful girls, this world is messed up and we have to look out for each other.
Thank you for presenting this story in the most respectful way possible while also explaining the cultural nuances of the country.
I'm from Pakistan and I moved to a posh, high security area about 2 years ago. I was born into a lower middle class family who worked their way up the social ladder. I'd say I'm grateful and blessed but at the age of 22, I have begun noticing the way a lot of the kids who were born into wealth being sheltered beyond need. I used to think these kids were independent, and they are, until it comes to facing the law and being held accountable.
- Dear women never go and see your Exes after a nasty break up or whatever because you never know when someone will switch up. There’s a repeated pattern and similar cases that has been highlighted over past cases. We are in a society whereby women are not safe anywhere. Only a sick, deranged, cruel and psychopath can do this to a human being. At what point did he not even think about his actions smh
As a Muslim I appreciate that she clarified that this is not acceptable in our religion. Lots of love and respect for you and your work 🤍 thank you
I started crying half way through this woman and her family didn't deserve any of this. She seemed like a wonderful person 😢
Thank you for covering cases like this I’m Iraqi and Muslim and many men commit theses crimes in the name of islam and covering their family’s “shame”. Last January I visited my Iraq after seventeen years and while I was there a girl was killed by her farther her name was Tiba Al-Ali she was a famous TH-camr and her father was sentenced only for six months and now there’s so much outrage about the case and the awful things that many women face in the name of society and religion which men use to justify their horrible actions. Please look into it there’s no much English coverage about this case
Look at Nikah mut'ah. Women & even children are sold into a temporary "pleasure marriage". The woman are treated as property not people. I wish more attention was brought to Sharia law too. It is terrible the way some people twist & pervert a religion of peace into something so terrible.
I looked up her name after reading your comment and was horrified at what happened to her and how the law in Iraq protected her so called father.
I couldn’t believe what I was reading, that Honour Killings (I despise that term) are a mitigating circumstance for the perpetrator and are seen as the victim provoked them. Therefore they basically asked for it but we can’t let you get away with murder so here’s a token sentence. Women’s lives mean nothing. I’m so glad there was public outrage.
Your comment led me to look up beautiful Tiba’s story, then the story took me to the death (another Honour Killing) of another YT star in Pakistan, by her brother this time, organised by a Cleric or Mufti and her name was Qandeel Baloch. This was in 2017. It’s crazy how much this goes on. I agree Stephanie should do a story on Tiba or both. It makes me sad. Thanks for sharing. 🌸
That's so horrible :((((
I don't know what it is with Islam but you guys take your religion way too serious to the extremes and willing to kill people over it. This is what people did in the middle ages and you are still living in this period although it's 2023. You are nothing but barbarians and that's why the middle east is in a constant war. The middle ages were a constant war as well. It truly blows my mind.
@jojowynne233 Stephanie wouldn't be able to make videos on cases like these because so many viewers would hate on her because most honor killings (if we're being honest) are very closely related to the religion practiced. And Stephanie seems to obviously be very afraid to add on the religious aspect to these cases and simply just calls it tradition or conservatism.
Thank you for covering this case. My friends and I will be donating gifts to our local women's and children's shelter on October 23rd as well as the local animal shelter. Noor will be remembered, in our small ways, for the rest of our lives.
they probably say "She was SA'd" rather than mentioning the assailant SAd her, for the same reason you're advised to say "allegedly" they can be sued if they make a claim that isnt decided upon in the courts yet.
I can't even imagine the pain Noor's family have experienced knowing their beautiful child was held captive,
was tortured, and was then decapitated by someone they once trusted! This is such a tragic and senseless case that brings to light untreated mental illness and entitlement of a person who could not take "No" for an answer. So heart breaking 💔
even animals such as dogs, understand the word No...please do not try to erase his guilt and fault for his chosen actions.
@@redwolfdarkmoon5326 Please re-read my post. I stated that he didn't heed the word, "No." There is no excusing his behavior. No one is trying to!!
A few weeks ago I left a comment on one of your videos where I urged you to talk about this case so thank you so much for covering it. You have a huge platform and I hope your platform can become a source of shedding light on cases like this one where media attention can possibly lead to victims receiving justice.
Helllo, i just wanted to share i was never ever a fan of crime podcasts or anything like it because I always thought talking over these topics are disrespectful and almost creepy how people obsess. I gave one youtuber a shot and remembered ranting for like 30 minutes straight to my boyfriend how disrespectful she was of the victim. Your video one day autoplayed and you complete shifted my mentality. It was so refreshing to see someone be so beautifully empathetic with the victim and celebrating their life while being delicate of their tragic deaths. You are an exemplary display of how these topics should be discussed and I think EVERY podcaster, youtuber, and even television producers of docu-series etc need to take a page from your book on how to discuss heinous crimes!!! Bravo.
for real, her vibe is so much better than any true crime i've heard so far. wendigoon is another one, though he doesnt go as in depth on the victims he is still very good at keeping both the human elements and storytelling skills very present
If you ask a man what his biggest fear is, they say ‘rejection’
If you ask a women what our biggest fear is, ‘it’s being murdered, raped, tortured, etc’ just for stating our opinion, how we feel, or even walking home late at night without a man we can trust to protect us
It’s crazy how different our answers are maybe if us women didn’t have to fear being killed, raped, tortured and maybe if those horrible horrific things didn’t happen so often then maybe we could fear something like rejection too instead of fearing for our lives every damn time we leave the house, and some of us don’t even have to leave the house to get killed, some of us get killed in broad daylight too those horrific things don’t always happen at night and can I just say I’m so sick of having to have a man walk me to my car, or walk me home at night, or just be in my presence to feel safe it’s not fair
ITS NOT FAIR #JUSTICEFORNOOR #JUSTICEFORALLWOMEN #WEDONTDESERVETOLIVEINFEAR
Absolute bullshit. I am 100% sure if you ask a man what their biggest fear is they'll probably say 'to die'.
Same with a woman.
I know you are trying to make a point, but spreading this bs will not help the cause.
extremely ignorant
@@peenyweeny3834 yes it is that women live in fear while men fear rejection that is extremely ignorant and it needs to change how many women must die from a mans hands before it becomes enough.? How long must we live in fear until enough is enough.?
@@peenyweeny3834 of men? so true
What a stupid comment...
Whoever told that man's biggest fear/regret is rejection lied to you. There are far more worse and scarier things.
Women in certain parts of the world are treated like garbage, UK has alot of these people here that made"honour killings" and then cry about Islam and how peaceful it is....
Look at Amber heard- lied through the trial and still has no consequences while he had to endure hell for over 6y.
Jodi arias is atleast in jail.
Get a brai and stop playing the victim when you're not.