Really interesting machine. I seriously don't think I would know if it was something I liked until I had a few days on it. I like the manual mode, the shot graph, and that it displays shot volume alongside the shot timer. I wish you would have tasted those long pulls, you may have been surprised. I've had some 45 second profiled shots that were excellent. 10 seconds of low pressure pre-infusion is very different than 10 seconds at 9 bar.
It's not for me because its price is 6000 (USA)dollars! Anyway touching the coffee with your hands instead to use a coffee tamper is not a good idea...
I really hope pressure profiling becomes standard with cheaper machines in the near feature. There are work around options for cheaper machines but at the cost of damaging them. I would get a manual espresso machine but it isn't as convenient.
Hi, this looks like a great machine but there is one thing I don’t get clear. Can you set the shot volume to be different for each profile or is it a generic setting?
Would it be possible to do a vid without a portafilter on, that way we can see different water flows as you go up and down with pressure profiling, thx!!!
Thank you so much for this great video . I’m in Australia we just received our R91 Playing with it a lot to learn. Am I able to email you with a couple of questions? Thanks again 😊
I guess I'll stick with my R58. This seems like it would actually be really hard to ever get a good shot as you would be constantly fiddling with the pressure. Considering how much coffee can change between the morning and afternoon... way too complicated for someone who just wants a good cup of espresso without too much fuss.
I tend to agree with that. This machine is for a particular sort of coffee enthuisiast. Personally, I have an R58 as well for the same reasons. I don't have the time in the morning to get the most out of the R9 but it does cater to those who do.
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada But there could be a single profile that makes the godshot which you can save on this machine. If the godshot requires pre and post pressure infusion you will never get there with an R58! I think this machine is for those who want the last 20% and are happy to spend the time to break new ground.
The steam power can be controlled. You can raise the temperature inside the steam boiler and get close to 2 bars. The GS3 has the same feature but the LMLM does not it is controlled using a pressurestat. You can also change the steam tip to your preference.
It's a different machine. The GS3 does not have as wide a range of pressure profiling. With the mechanical paddle you can pre-infuse up to your line pressure but that's usually only about 0 to 4 or 5 bars and it is much harder to control because the range of motion is smaller. The R9 allows for any pressure from 0.1 to 12 bars and can be easily programmed so that setting is repeated. If you are interested in pressure profiling this machine is hard to beat.
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada Thank you Slawek! how about the build quality? Would you say its at par with La Marzocco? Also have you tested the touch screen with wet fingers or with coffee grounds on them?
Rocket's build quality has always been very solid, they have a well earned reputation for reliability. I also tested the screen with both dirty fingers and wet fingers and saw no difference in response. It's best to use your entire finger pad or thumb but the responses were fine.
@@MrManilook The Dalla Corte Mini is one of the first espresso machines that I owned and at 110v heat up time was also in the 30 minute range as both heating elements cannot be on at the same time
Sounds too complicated. With its $ tag, Would be competing with LaMarzocco Linea Mini and GS3 that are easier to use. It’s combining too many profiles. Looks like it would be time consuming to dial in the shot you want. Not sure about the esthetic appearance. Not sure if i want to spend $6850.
Don't know the prices where you live but the GS3 (the manual version) is about 1 grand more expensive. It's not really complicated, you could just run it in manual mode without any profile and it'll be like any other machine. The nice thing is that it gives the option of saving a shot when you find a nice one which is very nice.
It sounds like Rocket are coming 2 years late on this machine, there is not much difference with the Vesuvius Dual Boiler machine! Yet, the price tag is superior !
As if with a E61 group you cannot make great espresso. Too many variables. It would be a better investment to buy good quality coffee. Pressure profiling..... What about 25 seconds and 9 bar? That doesn't work? Mimic a lever machine? Save the money and buy a lever machine...
An E61 group is capable of making amazing espresso there is no doubt about that but the technology is 57 years old now and our industry is trying to innovate. Fully saturated groups do improve temperature stability. Pressure profiling is a divisive issue, it adds a very complicated variable to a process that already has a lot of variables to control for. For most people it likely isn't worth the effort but for some people who love to tinker and experiment this is a dream machine.
I have NOT seen much commitment to quality regarding the water tank receiver (among other things) in the R58. They BREAK in transit! terrible. UPS shipping no longer possible. Must go on a skid, in a truck. $$$
Shipping espresso machines can be a challenge as they are quite heavy. All shipments from IDC are insured so if damage does occur it is covered. The R9 can only be shipped on a pallet due to its weight and value.
The machine gives you the ability to fine tune the shot. Getting the parameters just right is what is fun about this machine. The concept is similar to the Vesuvius but the R9 has a saturated group instead of an E61 and it also has manual mode. I have had some very impressive shots out of the R9 and some very different results when using the same coffee, same grind but different pressure settings.
For a 6000 dollar machine there are serious limits to the digital storage. Lets say you have 10 bags of coffee on your bar. Each bag of coffee might like to have 5 different profiles…. That’s 50 profiles. For 6000 dollars you should be able to have 1000 profiles yet this machine limits you to 5. Not only that, each and every morning you might find a new profile for the particular bag you are pulling from. But manual profiles can only be stored to the star memory slot… the next morning when you use a different coffee bag and you save that manual pull, you overwrite the one you saved yesterday in the star slot. Piss poor investment for a 6000 dollar machine. THIS is the machine I want to buy but I refuse to pay 6000 dollars until they fix this primitive data storage system. Pathetic for such a wonderful machine!
Really interesting machine. I seriously don't think I would know if it was something I liked until I had a few days on it. I like the manual mode, the shot graph, and that it displays shot volume alongside the shot timer. I wish you would have tasted those long pulls, you may have been surprised. I've had some 45 second profiled shots that were excellent. 10 seconds of low pressure pre-infusion is very different than 10 seconds at 9 bar.
Great review, and a beautiful machine. Well done!
This machine is not for me. It's far too complicated. However, I always LOVE iCoffee's presentations. You guys are AWESOME.
It's not for me because its price is 6000 (USA)dollars! Anyway touching the coffee with your hands instead to use a coffee tamper is not a good idea...
@@saporob 10,000 in aud
lots of channeling going on there with that naked portafilter! Great video as always!
yes, it wasn't perfect that's for sure.
I really hope pressure profiling becomes standard with cheaper machines in the near feature. There are work around options for cheaper machines but at the cost of damaging them. I would get a manual espresso machine but it isn't as convenient.
Please give me feedback about this machine vs. LaMarzocco GS3. Thanks
Hi, this looks like a great machine but there is one thing I don’t get clear. Can you set the shot volume to be different for each profile or is it a generic setting?
Would it be possible to do a vid without a portafilter on, that way we can see different water flows as you go up and down with pressure profiling, thx!!!
Hi, thank you for the suggestion. I will add this to our list and try to get it recorded
Thank you so much for this great video . I’m in Australia we just received our R91
Playing with it a lot to learn.
Am I able to email you with a couple of questions?
Thanks again 😊
looks like an awesome machine. to tech for me. but would love to be able to do auto or manual or preset. beautiful.
Very thorough presentation. Well done
How was the coffee puck? Wet or dry? Mine always wet & soupy
How to clean the machine?
Appears quite sophticated required a lot of experimenting before one reaches the 'perfect' set of parameters.
Yes indeed, this machine is designed for the person who really wants to tinker with their espresso.
I guess I'll stick with my R58. This seems like it would actually be really hard to ever get a good shot as you would be constantly fiddling with the pressure. Considering how much coffee can change between the morning and afternoon... way too complicated for someone who just wants a good cup of espresso without too much fuss.
I tend to agree with that. This machine is for a particular sort of coffee enthuisiast. Personally, I have an R58 as well for the same reasons. I don't have the time in the morning to get the most out of the R9 but it does cater to those who do.
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada But there could be a single profile that makes the godshot which you can save on this machine.
If the godshot requires pre and post pressure infusion you will never get there with an R58!
I think this machine is for those who want the last 20% and are happy to spend the time to break new ground.
Greatest machine ever made... ok that's a stretch. You partnered with Rocket? No kidding.
Still sold?
yes, the R9 One is still a current model.
Can u make a vid on the internals of the R9 one ?
Hi, This isn't something we have done in the past but it's a good suggestion and I will add it to our list.
Very well explained again. It looks like an amazing machine and pleasant to use. I wish I could taste shot to shot with a Linea Mini.
If you ever find yourself in Milton, Ontario please visit us and we can try a shot from each machine and compare.
Well thought overview!
How is the steaming power compared to a La Marzocco Linea Mini or GS3?
The steam power can be controlled. You can raise the temperature inside the steam boiler and get close to 2 bars. The GS3 has the same feature but the LMLM does not it is controlled using a pressurestat. You can also change the steam tip to your preference.
Do they do a right handed machine with the milk frother on the right ?
I'm afraid that there is only one version. All Rocket machines have the steam wand on the left hand side of the machine
I saw some parts from Bezzera like touch screen 😁
How does this compare to lamarzocco gs3
It's a different machine. The GS3 does not have as wide a range of pressure profiling. With the mechanical paddle you can pre-infuse up to your line pressure but that's usually only about 0 to 4 or 5 bars and it is much harder to control because the range of motion is smaller. The R9 allows for any pressure from 0.1 to 12 bars and can be easily programmed so that setting is repeated. If you are interested in pressure profiling this machine is hard to beat.
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada Thank you Slawek! how about the build quality? Would you say its at par with La Marzocco? Also have you tested the touch screen with wet fingers or with coffee grounds on them?
Rocket's build quality has always been very solid, they have a well earned reputation for reliability. I also tested the screen with both dirty fingers and wet fingers and saw no difference in response. It's best to use your entire finger pad or thumb but the responses were fine.
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada I do not agree.
How long dose it takes the machine to reach the 90 Celsius for espresso
The heat up time is about 30 minutes or so.
Dalla Corte Mini: max 10 minutes!
@@MrManilook The Dalla Corte Mini is one of the first espresso machines that I owned and at 110v heat up time was also in the 30 minute range as both heating elements cannot be on at the same time
If you are in a hurry, get a POS gaggia for $400
How many coffee are you using? 60ml for a single shot?
Generally I only use double shot baskets. So 60ml would be a double
Thks for the great review! @@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
Great video! How does this compare to the decent espresso machine?
Truth be told I don't know that much about the Decent. I have never used one so I cannot give a fair comparison
how about steam tip hole? 4hole steam tip?
Two
Are you ready for USD 6900.00?
I love it.
Sounds too complicated. With its $ tag, Would be competing with LaMarzocco Linea Mini and GS3 that are easier to use. It’s combining too many profiles. Looks like it would be time consuming to dial in the shot you want. Not sure about the esthetic appearance. Not sure if i want to spend $6850.
Don't know the prices where you live but the GS3 (the manual version) is about 1 grand more expensive. It's not really complicated, you could just run it in manual mode without any profile and it'll be like any other machine. The nice thing is that it gives the option of saving a shot when you find a nice one which is very nice.
It sounds like Rocket are coming 2 years late on this machine, there is not much difference with the Vesuvius Dual Boiler machine! Yet, the price tag is superior !
Other than different manufacturers the difference is that the R9 has a saturated group, the manual mode and the hot water mixing valve.
A bit OTT for home use imo.
10:51 hahahaha
As if with a E61 group you cannot make great espresso. Too many variables. It would be a better investment to buy good quality coffee. Pressure profiling..... What about 25 seconds and 9 bar? That doesn't work? Mimic a lever machine? Save the money and buy a lever machine...
An E61 group is capable of making amazing espresso there is no doubt about that but the technology is 57 years old now and our industry is trying to innovate. Fully saturated groups do improve temperature stability. Pressure profiling is a divisive issue, it adds a very complicated variable to a process that already has a lot of variables to control for. For most people it likely isn't worth the effort but for some people who love to tinker and experiment this is a dream machine.
I have NOT seen much commitment to quality regarding the water tank receiver (among other things) in the R58.
They BREAK in transit! terrible.
UPS shipping no longer possible. Must go on a skid, in a truck. $$$
Shipping espresso machines can be a challenge as they are quite heavy. All shipments from IDC are insured so if damage does occur it is covered. The R9 can only be shipped on a pallet due to its weight and value.
kinda like the Vesuvius which is not so impressive in term of shot quality.
The machine gives you the ability to fine tune the shot. Getting the parameters just right is what is fun about this machine. The concept is similar to the Vesuvius but the R9 has a saturated group instead of an E61 and it also has manual mode. I have had some very impressive shots out of the R9 and some very different results when using the same coffee, same grind but different pressure settings.
interesting!
I have the Vesuvius and I'm keeping it for another 15 years!
9k for a pain in the ass
For a 6000 dollar machine there are serious limits to the digital storage. Lets say you have 10 bags of coffee on your bar. Each bag of coffee might like to have 5 different profiles…. That’s 50 profiles. For 6000 dollars you should be able to have 1000 profiles yet this machine limits you to 5. Not only that, each and every morning you might find a new profile for the particular bag you are pulling from. But manual profiles can only be stored to the star memory slot… the next morning when you use a different coffee bag and you save that manual pull, you overwrite the one you saved yesterday in the star slot. Piss poor investment for a 6000 dollar machine. THIS is the machine I want to buy but I refuse to pay 6000 dollars until they fix this primitive data storage system. Pathetic for such a wonderful machine!