A DIY conversion of a Mountain Bike to a cheap eBike for around £100 using an Amazon kit from China

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  • @johnsshed995
    @johnsshed995 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I know I'm a bit late to the party on this one . But you did make me smile with your total lack of bicycle knowledge which makes this even more relevant ,as you got there in the end and worked through the problems .Well done. This is lightly to be one of the best DIY e bike projects on You tube .Thank you for shareing . ;-)

    • @AlexHusTech
      @AlexHusTech 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree, have to makes some mistakes to learn.

  • @a133m210
    @a133m210 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Amazing that you got all this for

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      a133m210 - to be fair the battery was free (made up from laptop batteries) so if you added that it would get nearer £150 to £250 for a half decent range - let me know how you get on with the regen if you go down that road

    • @michooganna8293
      @michooganna8293 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok , 5th 09090ğ¥55 the 6 6

  • @therealchayd
    @therealchayd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That's amazing how far you can go on a small battery, it really goes to show how much energy density these things have.

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ChayD - agreed, I just got a 20AH 36v to do 17.2 miles on battery only (cycling to start and hill assist) and 31 miles when I peddle as well. Brilliant!

  • @magnon1975
    @magnon1975 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I bought one of these. Brackets bent and snapped chain at first attempt ...ha ha! Needs a sprocket with about 6 times the number of teeth, not sure it'll then have enough torque though. I look forward to finding out.

    • @jonny5ive167
      @jonny5ive167 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, its a terrible kit, but you can make it work with a 13 tooth fixed motor gear, a gas motorized bike hub adapter, sproket and 410 chain. Good luck!

    • @magnon1975
      @magnon1975 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jonny5ive167 Didn't know this existed until I just googled it THANKS!!!

    • @jonny5ive167
      @jonny5ive167 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@magnon1975 oh and make sure you upgrade the mounts to 2 inch u-bolts. Good luck!

  • @MugCofee
    @MugCofee ปีที่แล้ว

    this is most efective on small bikes with small wheels and it can go faster than a bigger wheels . change your sprocket to big because small sprocket makes the motor difficult in running

  • @billmumbo2697
    @billmumbo2697 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Splendid mischief 👍 mate worth watching hope it doesn't go bang lol you'll need the box to put your shopping in🤞🤞

  • @marcosbatista1029
    @marcosbatista1029 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I Think you not need change the wheel, just use the higher fear instead of lower gear ( let it to the eletric motor ) I just do it with my bike and it works perfectly and I still can use some speeds of my gear .

  • @The-Advent-Sabre
    @The-Advent-Sabre 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    interesting video, as I too am looking into various conversion kits. Just wondering though, was it absolutely necessary to keep the derailleur as it is essentially obsolete with only having one gear. Could this have worked by just shortening the chain?

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hi Mat Mills - The derailleur kept the chain inline with the sprocket and still allowed me to use the three on the front crank - so I got the use of some of the gearing to assist the motor. Thanks for the question

    • @The-Advent-Sabre
      @The-Advent-Sabre 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bangcrashtinkle6718 Aaah yes I guess that makes sense. I'm looking into converting the back wheel into a motor version... However I'm struggling to find one thats suitable for 29inch wheels. I could keep my rims and just despoke the supplied motor wheel and respoke it to my 29inch rims... can't see why that wouldn't work.
      But won't be tackling that just yet.
      thats gonna be a project for the new year.

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@The-Advent-Sabre Hi Matt - Ali Express. This is the wheel I bought 29". www.aliexpress.com/item/33035315399.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.438a4c4d0DWc7A. You can choose a rear hub in the selection. Ad £30 extra for DPD delivery for customs

    • @The-Advent-Sabre
      @The-Advent-Sabre 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bangcrashtinkle6718 Oh wow... That's brilliant!

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@The-Advent-Sabre No problem - just make sure you stipulate what size wheel (I think they do 272, 282 and 292 and the hub width is 100mm on this one), the connector for the battery (standard is XT60) and whether you want throttle, half throttle or thumb throttle. Have fun

  • @MrWilliam.Stewart
    @MrWilliam.Stewart 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Just watched an American fellow with a huge you tube channel and an impeccable understanding of mechanical and electrical theory fail to get this cheap n nasty kit to fit.
    Then on to this British fellow with a socket set and a hammer, achieve success in his garden.
    Not even a Gary'ge in sight!

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      to be fair - mine lasted around two weeks before I lost the chain. It's not robust but is fun in a "will I make it home today?" type of way. Thanks for the comment though... I'm thinking of turning it into a boost board or scooter

  • @norino8441
    @norino8441 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did anyone mention the different between narrow chain (3/32) and wide chain (1/8)?

  • @jonny5ive167
    @jonny5ive167 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, you lucked out. Everything on my (36v 350w) build has been a major headache. First, the 3 tiny screws that mount the motor to the bracket pulled the threads out the motor. I tapped the holes and used larger bolts, plus an additional bracket to keep everything together. Now, everything is good with the hardware, and now its blowing 20A fuses. Scratching my head.

    • @jonny5ive167
      @jonny5ive167 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      sheist, i was using a car 20A fuse rated at 12v = only 240 w. Now i can safely up the fuse. fingers crossed!

    • @jonny5ive167
      @jonny5ive167 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      now they threaded adapter is unscrewing itself, the one between the two freewheel gears. It just backthreads and falls off.I have tried it with and without the lock ring. Its just a bad design. I don;t think this kit work unless you have it mounted on the reverse side with a different gear ring setup/. such a headache!

    • @finhas8865
      @finhas8865 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonny5ive167 Did you solved it? I guess it was the vibration that loosen the connector. In that case you could use threadlocker or super glue and see what happens

    • @MartinSage
      @MartinSage 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      OMG you are the only guy who couldn’t get his bike to run great and I’ve watched a dozen! Give it up!

    • @jonny5ive167
      @jonny5ive167 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MartinSage have you actually bought this kit and built an ebike? There are many factors to consider. This kit might work for a 110 lb indian guy for a few miles after he welds the adapters on, but the kit sold as is on ebay is trash. For those who are not total know-it-all dillholes that watch a couple advertisements and think they know everything, I managed to convert the bike using motorized (gas) drive train parts, and the bike works great so far for about 60 miles and counting. I still don't recommend the kit, but its a great tinkering project. The hub motor kits are far better. I will do a video soon. Thanks.

  • @ecm86
    @ecm86 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    20 mins in.. Chain is too long.. Needs to be shortened.. I'm way too late, but...anyway.. Plus.. you could have just maybe ditched the derailleur and shortened the chain to fit your single cog since derailleurs are mean to shift gears and you were turning it into a fixed gear. You would have needed a chain break/removal tool though.
    Regardless, you got it sorted. Awesome kit though. Nice and helpful for all of us looking into tinkering with this kit. Thanks. :D

  • @hoverbotfpv1425
    @hoverbotfpv1425 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I run full out on a 48v the 36v 450 opposite side motor kit. With a 1000w 48v controller as the kit comes with 36v only type with 50v capacitors.

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      HoverbotFPV - if I have this right - you are overvolting a 36v 450w side motor with 48V through a 100W 48v controller? That must shift and I would guess quite good torque at 48v

    • @hoverbotfpv1425
      @hoverbotfpv1425 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bangcrashtinkle6718 Hi no shifting left side mount on a coaster brake LOL! It is so torque ridden it bent the stock mounting plate yesterday at 47kph and I am fabricating a new one now. I plan to get a 1000w brushless to mount so needed it stringer anyways.

  • @danieliskandar4410
    @danieliskandar4410 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the smae kit but it is very slow and can't go uphill without assisting it by pedaling is that normal or do you think I might have a problem with the baterrry or something? how fast did you get with this kit without pedaling ?

  • @funkymoped
    @funkymoped 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting video. I've bought a 36v 350W version of the same design. Is the controller intelligent, in that does it have a low voltage cut-off or will it let you keep draining the battery despite a low voltage? The reason I'm asking is that I've taken a look in the controller and I think if switch out the capacitors, they're currently 470uf 50v for 63v ones I'm thinking that I can use a 48v battery instead of 36v but this will only work if the controller doesn't care about the battery voltage.

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Duane - Caveat- I think this is how it works but it's been 18mnths since I did this project (I must get back to it). The controller does care about the low voltage - but low voltage means "how long is the life". If I drain my 3.6v nominal cell continuously to 2.9 -3v it doesn't last long. My controller will start my low voltage indicator flashing around 3.4v and cut all voltage to the motor at around 3.2 -3.3v - I'm all manual power now. You can use a 36v or 48v controller with a 24v battery, it will generally work out what you have. What you can't do is use a 48v wheel with a 36v controller as the wheel will pull too many amps and burn out your capacitors. I think that's what I recall and tested. Hope it guides any research

    • @sizzles1743
      @sizzles1743 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm using a 36 volt battery with a 250 watt motor and controller with a similar kit, it works fine except my battery indicator never shows I have a low battery as it's set for a 24 volt battery.

  • @Mr_Ravee
    @Mr_Ravee 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really really like the channel name though:) its interesting.. :)

  • @robertroigsantamaria
    @robertroigsantamaria 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    so you changed the front sprocket? i am facing the same problem with the chain... and I am unsure how to get arround it... they surely sell rear freewheels compatible with 18 speed chains

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Robert - I'm thinking that the 18 speed chain may require replacing like I did as it maybe two thin for the standard size sprocket that comes with the kit. These kits are designed for the average shopper type bike and not western 18 speed road/mountain bikes hence why the mounting plate didn't quite fit the A frame at the back of the bike

  • @SumithKumara-e7x
    @SumithKumara-e7x 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this full kit how much motor battery

  • @moonspoonx2
    @moonspoonx2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You could use two 12volt mobility scooter battery and add solar panel to.

  • @ednaldopereira7968
    @ednaldopereira7968 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    which battery pack used voltage

  • @CultMr
    @CultMr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wives will never understand... Guys thing... 😂😂😂😂... Thanks, u helped me out with the cable connections.

    • @EllaBananas
      @EllaBananas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ah yes women would never understand. *Rolls eyes*
      Meanwhile.ill just be over here, building engines, working on cars, as a hobby while I do my job that is micro soldering bodge wires and surface mount rework.

  • @MartinSage
    @MartinSage 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The 2 sprockets on the rear axle is totally wrong. Only 1 sprocket mate. Of course your needing the correct BATTERY to make her go….zippp!
    Also, an amp meter would help test the lines as to what line works what without frying stuff with too much electric power. I watched an Asian guy install same as yours. I have his video. He had a 36volt motor. That’s 3 12volt lead batteries. Later he just used 1 36volt lithium to extend range + less weight

    • @jonny5ive167
      @jonny5ive167 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, yeah, if you use one sprocket that's easy, but then you can't use it as a real bike. Most people want both drive trains functional. I recommend people who are considering this kit, to buy a motorized (gas) bike hub adapter, 36 tooth rear gear, 410 chain, 13 tooth fixed gear replacement on the motor, and swap the whole thing over to left hand side.

  • @j.vincent3625
    @j.vincent3625 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    THANK YOU...I just love listening to and watching Brits figure out their "how to" projects...I want more...🥰🇺🇲

  • @80s_kid.
    @80s_kid. 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    its a shame you couldn't have a 36v motor on one side and a 24v on the other, have the 36v motor feeding the battery and the battery feeding the 24v motor, that way you will be able to have a self charging bike ? i know its a bit far fetched but i think crazy stuff like that.

  • @anthonyharman7837
    @anthonyharman7837 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's the wrong chain for that sprocket

  • @gitarzan99
    @gitarzan99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What you have there is the exact same motor and controller that was on the discontinued Currie E-Zip bike. I have an E-Zip that I bought about 10 years ago and still runs. I also have one brand new extra motor that came off another E-Zip I bought at a flea market long ago.

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Gitarzan - just had a quick look at some reviews on the E-Zip. That's exactly it - it's heavy and clunky and mines worse but I just got a 36v 20AH battery arrive from China and I've made some small modifications so we'll see how we do from now on before my front-hub conversion kit arrives. Thanks for letting me know about the E-Zip

  • @stuffonmyduck8551
    @stuffonmyduck8551 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Damn I was hoping I could easily turn my bike into an electric one for cheap so I can commute. This garbage would take me barley within a mile to my work. Oh well, glad I didn't buy it

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Stuff OnMyDuck - agreed , it is difficult. But if you have better tools and the know how it could be done. I don't have the metal tools to do a proper job

    • @Geofrine
      @Geofrine 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Buy a good battery

  • @jhon7674
    @jhon7674 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    yes you are allmost there engine sprocket 12 or 14 ish wheel sprocket 48 you have to make it up from othere parts keep at it you will get there you do have to spend a bit of money but nothing like the cost of a e bike good luck

  • @a133m210
    @a133m210 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm thinking about changing to a controller with regen braking. Also pure sine wave controllers are apparently worth a go-you any experience of these?

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi a133m210 - I haven't yet tried them but they would probably help a little on down hill slopes. Not so much breaking as on a bike your stopping distance is really short. If you used reactive type regen then the cheap end might not kick in as fast as you would like :-(

    • @a133m210
      @a133m210 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bang Crash Tinkle ! I changed my controller for one i got on amazon for £33 brainpower brand, I turned on regen and wired to a button. It's pretty good.. Obviously more variable than a physical brake but im happy with the reduction in wear and tear I just touch the front brake briefly to come to a complete halt instead of using the pads.

  • @jamesgoodwin2450
    @jamesgoodwin2450 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You talk about volts but the amps are just as important

  • @guiterman6263
    @guiterman6263 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey dude does youe motorgear box whin.

  • @pellegshani3062
    @pellegshani3062 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, do you think that this kit would work on a cruiser bike? Or in other words do I need to have a derailleur?

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pellag - you'd need a lot of modification - in principle anything can be done but if you want a solid build with derailleur intact use either a front hub upgrade or a mid hub option. Front hub is cheaper. If I was to do this again I'd measure up a shopper basket bike - it seems to be more suited to the conversion

    • @owenbruce4120
      @owenbruce4120 ปีที่แล้ว

      You don't need a derailer on the rear, it complicates the build and you have no gears to change...chuck it

  • @georgepountneyboard4132
    @georgepountneyboard4132 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you give me the link for the kit

  • @MrJohnA125
    @MrJohnA125 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting and a good job. Only two problems as your bike was not pedal assist only you were breaking the law. As it was driven by a throttle you should have had insurance, road tax and a helmet to go on public roads. However well done.

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey John - absolutely right - but at this scale - where's the fun?

    • @Mo-tt5yn
      @Mo-tt5yn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      John Aitken you just take the fun out of it don’t you?

    • @danielwhitford3476
      @danielwhitford3476 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      well john you must be a nitpicker, he's 18+ of age he's on a bibycle , lol

    • @robertpersall98
      @robertpersall98 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Depends on the juristiction.

    • @northernguerrilla3168
      @northernguerrilla3168 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CalmoOmlac I honestly doubt the punishment for getting caught in the uk would really be that dramatic, he would probably get a caution and the bike confiscated, maybe a fine at the most.

  • @joshrandal4001
    @joshrandal4001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was painful to watch, but like a train wreck, watch it till the end.

    • @MartinSage
      @MartinSage 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, it’s like like watching an old Laurel +Hardy comedy 🤣

    • @Nitecrow314
      @Nitecrow314 ปีที่แล้ว

      You did better than me then if you made it to the end!

  • @lordanrautraut9116
    @lordanrautraut9116 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think you don't have to remove your old 7 speed cog..you can use it instead..the cog on the kit.

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Lordan... tried that at first... problem was putting the drive chain on one of the sprockets made the pedals spin un-believable fast and remove the first two to three layers of skin off your shins. That put the project back a few hours

  • @joshrandal4001
    @joshrandal4001 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is that a lipo battery?

  • @JonCurlee-o3p
    @JonCurlee-o3p 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I got my kit but my mt bike is really nice an im gonna get a old bike to put it on 👍👀

  • @robertpersall98
    @robertpersall98 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think I have the same kit. No instructions, one sprocket on the motor, a big one, like to attach to the spokes but no other hardware for that, and a sprocket like shown to go on the wheel. Call me confused!

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Robert: I had to buy a second sprocket and then 'sort of' squeeze them onto the cylinder that then went on the hub... not stable and oh so Heath Robinson

  • @Mr_Ravee
    @Mr_Ravee 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Parts bin on wheels 🤪😛

  • @steveeng4871
    @steveeng4871 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the battery amp ratings and cell count for your testimg?

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Steve - The battery was a DIY from old laptop batteries. It was roughly rated at 24v 5AH and the configuration was 7s3p. The batteries ranged from 2.4Ah to 1.7Ah for capacity so 21 batteries all in. I have a video showing the construction. Thanks for the question and good luck

    • @sharksplayers5239
      @sharksplayers5239 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bangcrashtinkle6718 why seem too slow speed? mmm i buy it right today... tell me is fault of battery and not motor xD

  • @NormanWray-hi8cu
    @NormanWray-hi8cu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello dear sir can your ebike reverse 😊😅

  • @stanleyfoster6512
    @stanleyfoster6512 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    try attatching a generator to the front wheel to recharge batteries

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mr Foster - no... I'm lazy enough as it is without having to push a sodding genie as well

  • @AbdAlgani1999
    @AbdAlgani1999 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thank you for long video

  • @adamcarty8970
    @adamcarty8970 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why didn’t you just remove the rear mech it’s not needed anymore because you have changed the bike to single speed 👍🏼

  • @guiterman6263
    @guiterman6263 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw that coming the short

  • @MakarovFox
    @MakarovFox 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    wasn't better to buy a kit that is like the classic ebike whit te motor in the wheel?

  • @johnrichardson544
    @johnrichardson544 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, when you realise that proper batteries for this type of thing cost around £200..........

  • @guiterman6263
    @guiterman6263 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hold the motor dude

  • @koyehtutwinkoye110
    @koyehtutwinkoye110 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much money

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Around £100 including the bike (second hand of course)

  • @kimnielsenthewordyvikingett159
    @kimnielsenthewordyvikingett159 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ? $?$?How much is it $? Less than 40 is cheap to me $?

  • @angelopiccinelli7455
    @angelopiccinelli7455 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    For all the time and money wasted and all the hassle you went thur, you could have bought a conversion kit including wheel that actually works.

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Angelo... now where's the fun in that? However, I will be looking into that kind of conversion later. I just wanted to find out how these things are supposed to work and the level of work involved in using them. All part of the learning curve

    • @peterharrington8709
      @peterharrington8709 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Love this video. SO real, proper tinkering, proper trial and error. And it does work! Just not great. You definitely need to get rid of all the gear change mechanisms though. After watçhing this I learned that I personally wouldn't buy one, but can see how it would be pretty usable for some folks doing short commutes.

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@peterharrington8709 Thanks Peter for this... And you're right. It doesn't work as well as some of the conversion TH-cam videos suggest. I wonder if the standard shopper bikes that seem to be common in the Far East have a different rear frame shape that fits this standard motor mounting plate? But that was the point of the video, to show what difficulties you will encounter. I might try it on a shopper next

    • @therealchayd
      @therealchayd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Trouble is that you don't learn anything. Yes, it might be easier but there's no sense of accomplishment in taking the easy route.

    • @tourbike
      @tourbike 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Having just bought one of these for assisting my ride home after a 16 hour shift, this video is perfect! Thanks for the tinkering :)

  • @toninodilella
    @toninodilella 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    are you not spending too much money ??

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Dilan - I was pretty close to the budget. The motor kit was around £50. The bike was £40. The new chain and replacement sprocket were £20 so £110 all in. The battery I built myself from old laptop batteries. Not too bad

  • @simonharvey9593
    @simonharvey9593 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wat a load of crap

  • @rrich52806
    @rrich52806 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use a car over a bike any day. Bikes are just recreation.

    • @bangcrashtinkle6718
      @bangcrashtinkle6718  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really?? where's the adventure - come on mate - unleeessss???? you're talking off-road aren't you ??, Dakar - yes!, even winchin' then I'm with you