Well maybe we should stop only just looking at VRAM? Idk...maybe as it's GDDR7 having more on a GPU in that performance bracket might not benefit you as much as you might think? We'll just have to see
it is not the card number, it is that we already have games that will need more then 12gb vram and the Price of the 5070 is so damn high as the 4070 was already and they do not add 16gb vram ? but how it comes they can add 16gb vram on the 4060 but not on the 4070/5070 ?
I have a 4070 super 12GB and I play the most auf the time on my 4K 60hz TV. There is right now only two games that I can’t play on ultra without ray tracing. Wu Kong and Stalker 2. In my opinion the 12GB is not the biggest problem now. Even with a 4070 super 16GB the performance would be the same. There are no missing textures. If the 5070 would be faster than a 4080. it will still handle 4k material extremely well. They should added at least 1-2GB. 13GB/14GB would be fine.
It will be 16gb vram, laptop specs already leaked and the 5080 laptop will be a cut down 5070 ti chip just like the 5090 will be a cut down 5080 desktop chip and they all have 16gb of vram. Now the 5070 probably only has 12gb of vram.
i fully plan on going back to amd after this brief dip into nvidia territory after 14 years of ati/amd with this 4080 (my last REAL nvidia card before this was a 8800GT. i don't count the gtx 970 because mine was a defective piece of shit that i ultimately RMA'd). this card has been good to me, but i hate how huge it is and it cost me the same as the 6700xt did on the peak of mining, except there wasn't any crisis when i bought this one... and i technically got the 6700xt for free since i sold my 5700xt for the same price i paid for it.
@@Crimson_Lockhart I have a 3070 ti 8gb, and a 4060 ti 16gb. If you play in 4k, the 4060ti 16gb is a better card for higher 0.1% lows when compared to the 3070 ti. However, in 1440p the 3070ti will smoke the 4060ti 16gb. However, in UE5 games, in 4k, the 4060ti wins every time because it's not hampered by the lack of VRAM like the 3070ti is.
yep. low vram = stuttering and hitching, which means unplayable because you cant compensate for stuttering. if the video card is not powerful, it just means lower frames, but its consistent, which is playable because you can compensate movement and mouse movement to account for it..
@@themarketgardener nVidia can get away with this because everybody knows the 7900XTX isn't actually comparable to the 4080 in anything but raw raster. As soon as you talk about upscaling or raytracing, it falls way behind.
Yup 7900xtx is a banger Price to Performance $4.99 a frame compared to the 4090 sitting at $9.10 per Frame!!!! When you look at the breakdown like this it just plainly puts it into perspective how much Nvidia is overcharging and it’s Bullsh*t!!! Source=Tom’s Hardware
If Nvidia really thinks it can get away with selling 5060 series with anything less than 16gb, let alone a 5070, they can go milk themselves vigorously.
I honestly think they could care less this cycle. They make 10x more from datacenter right now with everyone ramping up their AI infrastructure. TBH we kinda lucky they even throwing us a bone.
@@thenextension9160You get it. This is exactly the issue. They don't need us and they lose money on every single die they sell compared to just allocating the same silicon to the data center stuff. They own 90% of the market already so they are going to milk it for everything they can get. And planned obsolescence is one of the methods they like to use to screw us over.
@BBRBGR if that were the case why even release a xx60 card then? Or a xx70 card? It's just greed. They know they have the best feature stack so they just don't care about taking care of their low end customers. It's like the look at the steam survey, see 1080p as the top dog still, and say 'well, that's enough market research' and call it there. If I were LG and Samsung I'd be getting angry at this point that Nvidia is in a way torpedoing sales of newer monitors. There is no way with current trends that 12gb is going to enough for 1440p gaming by EOL of the 50 series, unless game developers really figure out some new texture optimizations and real soon, I see more and more people just sticking with 1080p because the experience will be dismal higher up until you get to the xx80/90 cards.
I don't believe in these specs, nvidia can't provide such a gap between the 5090 and the 5080, unless they want to force people to buy a 5090. I don't think so
@ I mean we’re talking about nvidia, their greed surpasses expectations. I don’t believe on theses numbers as long as they’re not officials but I clearly wouldn’t be surprised
@@Julien-hu4ccthey've already set a precedent with that. The MSRP of the 4080 was atrocious compared to the performance gap with the 4090, you might as well just cough up more for 4090. Unless their prices are much better compared to the 40 series. I don't expect it to change.
@@Zaney_ hum.. personally I didn't understand it like that. precisely very few people bought a 4090 because its price gap with the 4080 was precisely too huge. There for coherent prices it would take a 5090 at 2000 dollars and a 5080 at 1000 dollars, like twice the performance in addition according to the specs, it's huge. We have never seen that yet! I know it's probably to put 5080 ti, but for me it's weird.
5060 = 12 GB, 5070 = 16 GB, 5070 TI = 20 GB, 5080 = 24 GB, 5090 = 32 GB . At least that would make sense to me and would be somehow reasonable. But that's what we will probably see with their SUPER variant.
@@Acupofwater_WAW Lol no it cant. The 7900xt gets 30-40 fps at 1440p in most UE5 games at native resolution. Whats the point in lying? In Wukong for example the 7900xt drops below 30 fps at native 1440p.
@@Acupofwater_WAW 7900xt is nowhere close to a 4080 super first off, and second you are the one that claimed a 7900xt can run "EVERY" (you put every in all caps ) game at native 1440p ultra. Now you have nothing but excuses. Theres literally 100+ games a 7900xt can not run native 1440p with acceptable framerates. Also the 7900xt is not amds best card, the 7900xtx is. You are wrong about everything you posted.
It shouldn't require it! It's an upscaler! We want raw visuals raw performance all this A I. Generated performance is baffling to me. Like why do we need that??? I have seen benchmarks of new and old games using the 7900tx and the performance is amazing. Wtf are you on?!
yeah they dont want people to buy the 5070... they want people to buy the 5080 and they want to sell some 5090's to idiots like me that go broke to buy a gpu. they want people who buy 5070's to have to upgrade every gen as punishment for not paying them enough
The biggest question is how much time AMD will need to add FSR4 to multiple new (and older) games. I bet only a year after FSR4 release we will see significant amount of games, that support this feature. And by that time UDNA will be close to launch... And Nvidia will release Super lineup with much better price/performance ratio.
@@Felale it is brand loyalty. AMD offered much better GPUs last gen with 50%-100% more VRAM (RX 6800, 6700 XT) for less money than a RTX 3070 and 3060 TI, had the same or much better raster performance and aged far better -- didn't get any meaningful share. Did it again this gen by offering 4GB extra VRAM vs Nvidia across most SKUs: 12GB RX 7700 XT (that was beating the embarrassment that is the 8GB 4060 TI in most cases) and the RX 7800 XT (matching or beating the 12GB RTX 4070 in most games besides Cyberpunk and a handful of Nvidia-backed titles) and went even further for the upper high end (7900 XT vs 12GB 4070 TI -- 8GB VRAM extra), whilst offering 50-80% of the RT performance. Still didn't make any meaningful difference. Intel are going to bail on the GPU market completely next gen after nobody buys Battlemage and AMD will most likely follow suit and stop bothering to release anything that's not mid-low tier with a guaranteed huge market share, only focusing on the server/AI market. Just don't complain when you're still getting 8-12GB VRAM Nvidia cards in the $300-$600 price range 5 years from now and the flagship SKUs like the 4090s move up to the $2500+ range like the Titan cards did. The only places where AMD can't compete yet are in CUDA and AI/machine learning and 99% of Nvidia users aren't using either, so there's no excuse left anymore.
@@ma-af3753 the problem with AMD is they need to fix there upscaler. FSR still looks bad compared to dlss. hopefully AMD fixes this with FSR4 using ai cores (they are already doing that in the ps5pro with PSSR, although PSSR has many of its own issues). and many games these days are requiring upscal;ing to get playable frame-rates....so having a bad upscaler is why AMD marketshare is so small
The 5080 is still expected to match or even be slightly faster than a 4090 in rasterization. In ray tracing it should beat it by a decent margin due to its much faster ray tracing cores. If they can launch it for $999 it'll be a great card.
5090 will obv be great. The rest of them are GARBAGE. Allegedly the 5080 ti/super, whatever tf it will be…will be pretty decent. Otherwise 50 series is dog water.
@@godnamedtay Yeah I want to upgrade soon as possible but seeing this it just doesnt make sense to buy 5080 or 5070. 5090 is too expensive so kinda have to wait for super or ti to come out..
the difference in specs of the 5090 to the 5080 is absolutely disgusting behaviour. 5080 isn't good enough for probably 1299 and the 5090 is way to power hungry and expensive at probably 2k+
The 10 series was 1070 was 75% of the 1080 and the 1060 was 50% now the 5080 is 50% of the main card and 5070 ti is 41% the power of the 5090 nvgreddia is really milking these cards
I was more disappointed when the 4070 Ti was (officially) announced. Because you just KNEW that the 4070 was gonna be shittier. And the mfs wanted to call it "4080 12GB"! 🤬🤬 The entire 4000 cards except for maybe the 4090 is shifted by 1-2 tiers. Then they wondered last year why the had the lowest GPU sales in over 20 years (actual article). Gee, I WONDER WHY. And now I'm even MORE disappointed to learn that the "4060" (which is really a 4030Ti in disguise) is now top of the Steam Hardware Survey charts. 😠 People make me so angry. It just means that they're gonna pull the same shit in the future. VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS, SHEEPLE!
There's no reduction in cost per transistor from TSMC in this generation. Thus you should expect price per SM be same between generations, and perf/$ coming from frequency and maybe small architectural improvements. Thus most probable pricing is keeping pricing of 40 series refresh from 5080 to below. And die for 5090 was designed from ground up to be 1999$ card because at the time when that die was designed fastest card could carry any price and there would be enough demand for it. Reasonable expectation is that 5080 is 999$ 5070 ti is 799$ and 5070 is 549$ And 5090 is 1999$. Ideally most cards would be 100$ cheaper, but Nvidia has pretty much just used same basic multiplier between their manufacturing cost and MSRP from at least 10 series if not longer.
is the 50 seires based on the same process node this generation if so you should still expect price reductions on the tsmc side as nodes mature prices tend to go down slightly its why in the past nvidia would do budget cards on more mature nodes
@@alexmeek610 Supply and demand, not just Nvidia buying, other industries tend to jump nodes a year or 2 behind the computer market, no new nodes means competition for manufacturing slots, there's something stupid like 80+ microchips in a single car these days.
Eh I think you need to tack on at least $100 to all of them except maybe the 5090. Maybe $200. The original 4080 was $1199 on release. I doubt they undersell themselves from the last gen when costs have gone up.
@@alexmeek610 Except TSMC has increased its prices instead of reduced due to extra demand recently for the node. But that change is probably compensated by yield improvements.
Well I found out that the RTX 5070TI is going to have 16GB of GDRR7 of VRAM on a 256 bit memory bus. I also found out that it’s going to lose to the RTX 4080 super and possibly the RTX 4080 in rasterization. Now regardless DLSS and raytracing it may get a small bump but it’s still not great. Another thing is that Jesen mentioned an artificial GPU shortage again. Overall not looking good for Nvidia. Gamers if the RTX 5070TI is priced at $700 or more. Avoid it like the plague and get the AMD 8800XT instead when it comes out.
this is exactly why I bought a 4070 ti super last month. Was debating waiting for the 5000 series, but unless you're buying the 5090, this gen looks pretty unappealing.
Why such a huge gap in vids cores from 90 to 80 class. Unreal they get away with doing this stuff. If 90 has 20,000. 80class should have atleast 15,000
How the fuck could a 5080 POSSIBLY be on par with a 4090 as cut down as it is?! No achievable amount of clock or ips boosts can do that literal magic... It's just a god damn 4080 all over again
I like the idea that the 4070 ti be a specialized card that caters for a duel system. A 1440 p pc monitor, and a TV style system, where entry level 4k is a thing.
So what is mm2 of next gpu generation? If I want to upgrade from my 3060ti to another 300mm2 chip I must buy 5080? did chip sizes inflate this much even when prices went up 20% from gen to gen? Why is 4060 same chips as 4050?
lol its like nvidia is praising me for buying a 7900xtx an hour ago. Like yes please, keep reassuring me that not waiting for the 5070 was the right decision. This 3070 im about to upgrade from will always hold a special place in my heart tho since its my first GPU.
BEst choice if you are 4k especially, it has the VRAM to last and run modded games and future ones. 20gb is bare minimum now. Entire Nvidia lineup outside 90 series is DOA for the last year if you really want to game in future and mod at 4k.
the fact that they also dont know how much VRAM it has in the leak.. is troubling lol. but its probably kept secret so people will buy the 5070 and not wait for the 5070ti.
Not giving the 5080 bare minimum 20 gigs is insane unless there are planning a 5080s or ti S with more vram. Yea I’m going to get a 4080s on Black Friday and just wait for 6 series cards. Congratulations you’ve priced out the majority of your consumers with bad price to performance
Man the 7900xtx is on sale for $800 here and its raster is similar to 4080s. But for my case, i want good stream encoder which nvidia is way better at...
@ same man the 7900xtx was my first choice but I’m still going to have to go with the 4080s. $800 is a steal for that card and apparently it’s going down to 788. I just hope the 4080s can get to 890 that would be perfect
@@Chicken-o5e Nvidia you have to limit your screen FPS to what you stream, or it can tear/cause issues, that's what no one ever tells you. Also if you are on 4k, 20gb is used for modded games already so the 80 series is DOA.
they only give 16GB vram to the 5080??? The new Stalker game consumes 22gb vram on the 4090 :o the only card that has proper vram is the 5090. 12 GB are not enough for the 5070. im right now holding back with buying a GPU. I wanted to get a 3060 ti or 4060. but then i thought of waiting for the new Nvidea GPUs. But it looks like i rather wait for new AMD and Intel GPUs instead.. i need proper vram amounts, even on the low and medium end cards
22gb allocation not usage, you get the same thing in call of duty games and besides, Nvidia cards are known to use way less vram than AMD due to optimisation for example. These are the specs I think: 5060 - 8gb 5060 Ti - 8gb 5070 - 12gb 5070 Ti - 12gb 5080 - 16gb 5090 - 28/32gb
i cant believe people actually expected nvidia to add more vram to a 70 card. the 4080 is already a cut in half 4090 which is hilarious. only thing i can see happening this gen is nvidia adding about 3-4 different 4080 models to keep milking the fan boys.
This really could be a real moment the shift could change in the GPU market with AMD improving ray tracing for next gen and introducing FSR4 with AI based upscaling akin to DLSS. With AMDs pure rasterisation performance, and known for having a good amount of VRAM, lower prices and the next gen GPUs being built in 4nm, could we now see more people adopting AMD as they're now over Intel in the CPU market.. Quite exciting times for the consumer, if AMD can pull this launch off.
Its been over a year since fsr3 came out and its in less than 5 games. Even if AMD releases AI based upscaling it will be years before its in a reasonable amount of games. FSR makes amd cards unusable for UE5 and future games.
The report says over 60 games already support it, and soon over 158 games will, an extensive list of it. Possibly why they will shift to an AI based one, since that's the way the industry is going. We will see.
This is what happends when there isnt any competition. HUGE prices and underwhelming specs/ performance. They can charge what they want for a minimum boost in performance. They haven't released yet, I know BUT Im calling it early. I have a good feeling they ALL will be more expensive than we want AND disappoint us with the performance numbers.
Depends on the price, Right now a 4070ti is 700 and a super with 16gb or ram is $740. NVIDIA releases it at $700 and it beats the 4080 by 10%-15 they may be ok but I feel that is the min acceptable improvement acceptable. The problem is tariffs we get 10-20% added on and even a $700 card become $770-840.
if it has 16gb of memory and dual nvenc encoders I will be interested (was looking at the 4070ti super). but if its worse than the 4070ti super that would be silly
they are just making it so that people with the 1080ti dont have to upgrade . keep gimping the cards nvidia , my 1080ti still has a few good years left in her at this rate.
Me too. For my needs, my 3070 is still good, but once I eventually want to upgrade I'll definitely be considering getting an amd gpu rather than nvidia
based on the performance we expect from the mainstream cards out of Nvidia it will either be a Zen moment and kickstart a movement that will see a massive market shift, or they will mess it up and market it as vs Nvidia when all they need to do is walk out and do a $299 mic drop and watch the community lose it and attack Nvidia themselves, gaming on PC is becoming ridiculously expensive with how demanding games are getting, some cheap and competent cards are what we need like yesterday.
@@kristiandevil im happy with my current setup that i built around the 7900 XTX which can go neck to neck with 4080 super WITHOUT upscaling and tbh i dont really care much for upscaling some games perform better without it.
There's several things that don't make sense here: 1.) I thought this was supposed to be a generational improvement, as in, more power efficient? Nope. all these cards are rated higher watts, meaning pretty much all the performance increase we're getting is due to simply adding more cores and more watts, and slightly better memory bandwidth (well, of course the 5090 is almost doubling it's bandwidth, but for the rest... about a 20% improvement) 2.) The 5090 (and the 4090 before it) is the only card getting a good treatment here. it's got like 40-50% MORE SMs (and RT cores) than the 4090 (which had a lot more than the 3090). Whereas the other cards are just getting like 5% more than their previous counterpart. the 4090 was already almost 100% BETTER than the 4080, which was reflected in the cost, i get it, but this 5090 will be literally more than twice as good as the 5080. The 5080 will be 4% better than the 4080/5070 ti. it's ridiculous. 3.) 12GB ?? On an $800 card?! ARE YOU SERIOUS RIGHT NOW The only saving grace would be HUGE IPC increases.
I feel like they're missing a card that's a straight replacement in the market for the 4090. I realise a forthcoming 5080Ti could be that card, but it seems weird for NVidia to stop production on the 4090 and then create a lot of demand in the secondhand market. You'd think they'd want to encourage firsthand sales.
We know why. Nvidia HATES you! They have new customers now, they thought if they kept feeding gamers crap, they’d go away. But they didn’t! Now Nvidia just gets to fleece consumers forevermore.
And it turns out people LIKE getting fleeced. 😐 The "4060" (which is really a 4030Ti in disguise) is now top of the Steam Hardware Survey. Un-be-fucking-livable. 😐 Nvidiots keep buying them. Signaling to Ngreedia that it's OKAY to charge $300 for a card that should be sub-$100.
So they are going to be more expensive like always but not really more performance because you have to use them at lower settings to avoid vram limit.... They really only care about their server sales since its 90% of their revenue.
5070Ti will probably be weaker and more expensive than a $250 off 4080S. If you plan on gaming at 4k or 1440p at 120fps (or higher), don't bother with a 70 tier. I have a 4080S and am not even glancing at anything lower than a 5080, and may even skip for a Super or Ti variant with anything higher than 16GB VRAM. It all comes down to what your aim is.
5090 is way too expensive, takes way too much power, will probably melt cables and be a fire hazard like the previous xx90 generations. It makes sense performance-wise, but it's not a card for the regular user. AMD, here I come. Nvidia will disappear from the gaming/PC market.
Well, I'm happy I out this is my skip generation. But these GPUs are looking more and more like planned redundancy and upselling, why upselling I think a lot of the comments have nailed it. Step the name down and you get the real level of the GPU 80=70 70-60 etc. and look at 5090 and its single 12 pin that is going to pull 600w, that sounds like story. We know it will interesting to watch what happens when get into wild.
Hopefully Intel BMG can be good enough to eat into the midrange market. Give me a B770 with 16gb with 4070ti performance for $500 over a 5070 with 12gb for $600 anyday!
People are so stupid for buying the 4060 because now it's one of the most popular GPUs. Anyone who is at least relatively experienced with PC gaming will know the 4060 is a 4050. Nvidia has gotten away with using an 07 chip, which is normally used for the 50 class GPU into a 60 class GPU. This is why I call it the fake 4060 because it has the performance of a 4050, but with the 4060 naming scheme and price slapped onto it. Worst of all, the 4060 managed to get this popular with only 8GB of VRAM on a measly 128-bit bus. This proves people really are that stupid and don't bother doing any research before buying a GPU. Hopefully, the 5060 doesn't suffer from the same problem, and it actually ends up using the full 06 chip and not the 07 chip. Fanboys are a major reason why the PC gaming industry constantly gets screwed.
AMD is our only hope for the every day gamer that doesn't want to spend a mortgage payment on a video card... They need to have the 8800XT absolutely BLOW their 5070 out of the water.
@@reiudfgq3vrh34ur You literally just repeated what I said but tried to make it out that I was wrong and you are right... AMD said themselves they aren't trying to complete with the 5090/5080 because of the absurd prices and the NVIDIA shills will never buy anything but that. AMD has always thrived at producing results in the Mid to just above mid-high tiers. Their CPU's started off mid tier and now they have the best gaming CPU on the market. So I am glad they said they will be competing with the 5070 because if the rumors are true, the 5070 is going to be a failure with only 12 GB of VRAM on it. Guaranteed NVIDIA is going to be waiting for their S/Ti/TiS models to actually make any kind of improvements and also make it a much higher price. The 8800XT is going to blow the 5070 out of the water in price/performance.
People are really hung up on the VRAM amounts nowadays. There have been multiple independent tests out there and the amount you need varies mainly on two factors Resolution and addon features(Settings/DLSS/RTX/Etc.). Trying to futureproof your GPU for VRAM is pointless as a lower end card cannot drive higher resolutions at a reasonable framerate regardless of how much VRAM it has. Determine what resolution you are planning to game at and then make your decisions from there. Hardware Unboxed did a good video breaking it all down. Short version is if you are maxing out every available setting and feature 1080p you want ~11 GB+, 1440p you want ~12 GB+, 4K you want ~15 GB+. Keep in mind you can adjust this easily by simply turning down some settings.
To some everything up you get to pay more money for the same vram an 8gb 5060 will struggle on 1080p high and will be a 720p card within a couple of years you would be better just buying a 8800xt at this point
If these leaks are correct it seems the gaming laptops will be very disappointing and it won't match the performance of last generation desktop gpus like it has done for the last 3 or so generations.
This feels an awful lot like Kepler launch, especially considering there will be more segments coming in 2025 with the new 50% larger capacity memory chips. 5090 won't even be the top card when the full stack is done launching.
A next gen 70 class card should be better than the previous 70 class card in every way. But the stupid decision to put 12gb vram again makes the 4070ti super the better option
And people will STILL buy it, proved it with the 1650, 3050, 3060 (non ti), 4060 and 4070 (non ti) , the amount of brand loyalty have with n-greedia is just astonishing. These people do not care about you!
if the 5070 is 12gb of memory the 5060 will most likely be 8 or 10. I sincerely hope AMD makes the 8600 XT have 12gb of memory just to screw Nvidia over.
They're definitely gonna release a 5080TI with 20gb vram for about $400 more....just watch. 16gb is just dumb AF for the 5080. Should be 20gb for 80 and 24 for TI.
Might start skipping gens or just buying a big card every 3 at this rate. It's clear since maxwell or pascal was so good for consumers that they will basically keep computational power away from anything but flagship, always ensure gains aren't too much over previous gens and that eventually due to lack of vram otherwise good cards will need to be replaced.
12 GB in 2025? Really? 5080 at 16 gb should be 24 gb and 5070 should be 16 gb. This is dumb.
Why dumb, NV doesn't want you to future proof your buy? They want you to buy the 6000 series as well.
I wouldn't spend more than 350$ for a 12GB GPU.
5080 at 20gb would be acceptable but 16 is sad
Two words for you "planned obsolescence"
Well maybe we should stop only just looking at VRAM? Idk...maybe as it's GDDR7 having more on a GPU in that performance bracket might not benefit you as much as you might think? We'll just have to see
Not getting a card without 16GB in this day and age. 12GB on a 5070? eff off.
cause it's really a '60-class' card with a '70-class' name, with most likely, an '80-class' price tag.
it is not the card number, it is that we already have games that will need more then 12gb vram and the Price of the 5070 is so damn high as the 4070 was already and they do not add 16gb vram ? but how it comes they can add 16gb vram on the 4060 but not on the 4070/5070 ?
@@corndog9482 I cant tell it even better sir 😂
I have a 4070 super 12GB and I play the most auf the time on my 4K 60hz TV. There is right now only two games that I can’t play on ultra without ray tracing. Wu Kong and Stalker 2. In my opinion the 12GB is not the biggest problem now. Even with a 4070 super 16GB the performance would be the same. There are no missing textures. If the 5070 would be faster than a 4080. it will still handle 4k material extremely well. They should added at least 1-2GB. 13GB/14GB would be fine.
@@ZSergioZ1going from a 4070 super to a 4070 ti super is +15% and not having to worry about vram
Honestly if Nvidia comes with a 5070 Ti that has less than 16 Gb memory, I will buy AMD just to give them the finger.
That's me if too
It will be 16gb vram, laptop specs already leaked and the 5080 laptop will be a cut down 5070 ti chip just like the 5090 will be a cut down 5080 desktop chip and they all have 16gb of vram.
Now the 5070 probably only has 12gb of vram.
Why wait? Do it now
@@PaintrainX absolutely...
i fully plan on going back to amd after this brief dip into nvidia territory after 14 years of ati/amd with this 4080 (my last REAL nvidia card before this was a 8800GT. i don't count the gtx 970 because mine was a defective piece of shit that i ultimately RMA'd). this card has been good to me, but i hate how huge it is and it cost me the same as the 6700xt did on the peak of mining, except there wasn't any crisis when i bought this one... and i technically got the 6700xt for free since i sold my 5700xt for the same price i paid for it.
Lmao. If you’re not stuttering because of Unreal Engine 5, you’re stuttering from having no Vram.
RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB vs RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB.
@@Crimson_Lockhart I have a 3070 ti 8gb, and a 4060 ti 16gb. If you play in 4k, the 4060ti 16gb is a better card for higher 0.1% lows when compared to the 3070 ti. However, in 1440p the 3070ti will smoke the 4060ti 16gb. However, in UE5 games, in 4k, the 4060ti wins every time because it's not hampered by the lack of VRAM like the 3070ti is.
yep. low vram = stuttering and hitching, which means unplayable because you cant compensate for stuttering. if the video card is not powerful, it just means lower frames, but its consistent, which is playable because you can compensate movement and mouse movement to account for it..
@@Crimson_Lockhart ? what ?
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Look for this video: "Breaking Nvidia's GeForce RTX 4060 Ti, 8GB GPUs Holding Back The Industry" 😀
16gb on the 5080 for a 2nd in line card is an absolute joke. it should be at a minimum 20gb preferably 24gb
It’s crazy AMD’s last gen 80 equivalent (4080) has 24GB…
24gb minimum
The new Stalker game consumes 22gb vram on the 4090 :o
@@themarketgardener nVidia can get away with this because everybody knows the 7900XTX isn't actually comparable to the 4080 in anything but raw raster. As soon as you talk about upscaling or raytracing, it falls way behind.
Yup 7900xtx is a banger Price to Performance $4.99 a frame compared to the 4090 sitting at $9.10 per Frame!!!! When you look at the breakdown like this it just plainly puts it into perspective how much Nvidia is overcharging and it’s Bullsh*t!!! Source=Tom’s Hardware
@@themarketgardener and what are u do with 24gb vram if the card cann not play even games at 1440p who use 8gb vram 16 is fine for 1440p
Welcome to Nvidia 2025. Here are the patch notes and changes:
090 = 090
080 = 070 ti
070 = 060 ti
100% accurate. Don’t forget
060 = 050
@@themarketgardener and
050=030
@@eQui253 ur forgetting 50 series will have gdr7 memory..
090 = 80 TI
must be an amd fanboy that apparently cant read
If Nvidia really thinks it can get away with selling 5060 series with anything less than 16gb, let alone a 5070, they can go milk themselves vigorously.
That reminds me Nicholas Cage Lord of War movie. His uncle says "I told him to go have intercourse with himself." LOL!!
Hot comment! 😂😊
Nah 5060 witll never have 16gb , maybe 12gb
I honestly think they could care less this cycle. They make 10x more from datacenter right now with everyone ramping up their AI infrastructure. TBH we kinda lucky they even throwing us a bone.
@@thenextension9160You get it.
This is exactly the issue.
They don't need us and they lose money on every single die they sell compared to just allocating the same silicon to the data center stuff. They own 90% of the market already so they are going to milk it for everything they can get. And planned obsolescence is one of the methods they like to use to screw us over.
Thx for not being clickbait channel like gamer meld, red tech..
I know exactly how you feel
Look at the title and thumbnail of this video, clearly clickbait
Gamer meld is so awful
I stopped watching those garbage channels last year
lol gamer meld, that dude talks like he had a partial stroke.
Nvidia only seem to be advancing the top of the stack while the middle and bottom are essentially stagnant. Yay................
they move stagnation up The product stack every generation
@@anttikangasvieri1361they're gonna keep this up until their $3000 7090 is their best price-performance card, with 4x the core count of the 7080.
A mere reflection of society as a whole. You're either rich or miserable. No grey zones, no in between, no middle class whatsoever.
Maybe their attitude is "Let AMD have the middle, we rule the top"?
@BBRBGR if that were the case why even release a xx60 card then? Or a xx70 card? It's just greed. They know they have the best feature stack so they just don't care about taking care of their low end customers. It's like the look at the steam survey, see 1080p as the top dog still, and say 'well, that's enough market research' and call it there. If I were LG and Samsung I'd be getting angry at this point that Nvidia is in a way torpedoing sales of newer monitors. There is no way with current trends that 12gb is going to enough for 1440p gaming by EOL of the 50 series, unless game developers really figure out some new texture optimizations and real soon, I see more and more people just sticking with 1080p because the experience will be dismal higher up until you get to the xx80/90 cards.
I mean the 5080 spec are already suspected to be horrendous so it doesn’t surprise me that much
I don't believe in these specs, nvidia can't provide such a gap between the 5090 and the 5080, unless they want to force people to buy a 5090. I don't think so
@ I mean we’re talking about nvidia, their greed surpasses expectations. I don’t believe on theses numbers as long as they’re not officials but I clearly wouldn’t be surprised
@@Julien-hu4ccthey've already set a precedent with that. The MSRP of the 4080 was atrocious compared to the performance gap with the 4090, you might as well just cough up more for 4090. Unless their prices are much better compared to the 40 series. I don't expect it to change.
@@Zaney_ hum.. personally I didn't understand it like that. precisely very few people bought a 4090 because its price gap with the 4080 was precisely too huge. There for coherent prices it would take a 5090 at 2000 dollars and a 5080 at 1000 dollars, like twice the performance in addition according to the specs, it's huge. We have never seen that yet! I know it's probably to put 5080 ti, but for me it's weird.
@@Julien-hu4cc I can definitely see Nvidia do this. The monopoly is theirs. They lose nothing by flipping bird on us.
GPU Memory should be
16gb, 20gb, 24gb, 28gb & 32gb
5060 = 12 GB, 5070 = 16 GB, 5070 TI = 20 GB, 5080 = 24 GB, 5090 = 32 GB . At least that would make sense to me and would be somehow reasonable. But that's what we will probably see with their SUPER variant.
Should be all DOUBLED.
More and more my 7900XT is looking like a wise investment.
7900xt is great if you only play old games. But any current gen and future games require upscaling, and FSR is unusable its so terrible.
thought the same thing..see all the hate amd gets but my 7900xtx looks like money well spent
@@Acupofwater_WAW Lol no it cant. The 7900xt gets 30-40 fps at 1440p in most UE5 games at native resolution. Whats the point in lying? In Wukong for example the 7900xt drops below 30 fps at native 1440p.
@@Acupofwater_WAW 7900xt is nowhere close to a 4080 super first off, and second you are the one that claimed a 7900xt can run "EVERY" (you put every in all caps ) game at native 1440p ultra. Now you have nothing but excuses. Theres literally 100+ games a 7900xt can not run native 1440p with acceptable framerates. Also the 7900xt is not amds best card, the 7900xtx is. You are wrong about everything you posted.
It shouldn't require it! It's an upscaler! We want raw visuals raw performance all this A I. Generated performance is baffling to me. Like why do we need that??? I have seen benchmarks of new and old games using the 7900tx and the performance is amazing. Wtf are you on?!
You know how to solve problems, don’t buy it. Let it fail and rot
now we just need gamermeld to 1 to 1 copy your video and make his own :)
good video btw
Don’t forget the extra clickbaity titles where it’s a small news for the video but puts 50 series thumbnails for clicks
@@themarketgardener and his annoying yapping noises
cant stand that guy
I still cant get over the 12gb vram config for the rtx5070 ........ i cant! somebody wake me up from this nightmare!
Such a joke I wanted to buy a 5070 but only with min 16gb vram. We have to wait for super refreshes at this point or regret the low vram very soon
@@rejectxz AMD has an opportunity here if they can play par with the 5080 and put 24GB of ram on it
@@PopePlatinumBeatsThey already did that with XTX, I don’t think they can match 5080 with RDNA4 lacking high-end unfortunately.
yeah they dont want people to buy the 5070... they want people to buy the 5080 and they want to sell some 5090's to idiots like me that go broke to buy a gpu. they want people who buy 5070's to have to upgrade every gen as punishment for not paying them enough
@@s7r49 feels like it! im just gonna get the 5080 and hope for the best!
Not for those prices, nope
new AMD cards are going to be sweet spot. Let them be smaller 7900XT with better RT and AI upscaling.
The biggest question is how much time AMD will need to add FSR4 to multiple new (and older) games. I bet only a year after FSR4 release we will see significant amount of games, that support this feature. And by that time UDNA will be close to launch... And Nvidia will release Super lineup with much better price/performance ratio.
Good. This is the future Nvidia fanboys deserve for their brand loyalty.
Amd for life...unless they pull some weird shit like this.
It’s not brand loyalty, AMD can’t compete
fanboys did not even make 1% of nvidia geforce sales.
@@Felale it is brand loyalty. AMD offered much better GPUs last gen with 50%-100% more VRAM (RX 6800, 6700 XT) for less money than a RTX 3070 and 3060 TI, had the same or much better raster performance and aged far better -- didn't get any meaningful share. Did it again this gen by offering 4GB extra VRAM vs Nvidia across most SKUs: 12GB RX 7700 XT (that was beating the embarrassment that is the 8GB 4060 TI in most cases) and the RX 7800 XT (matching or beating the 12GB RTX 4070 in most games besides Cyberpunk and a handful of Nvidia-backed titles) and went even further for the upper high end (7900 XT vs 12GB 4070 TI -- 8GB VRAM extra), whilst offering 50-80% of the RT performance. Still didn't make any meaningful difference. Intel are going to bail on the GPU market completely next gen after nobody buys Battlemage and AMD will most likely follow suit and stop bothering to release anything that's not mid-low tier with a guaranteed huge market share, only focusing on the server/AI market. Just don't complain when you're still getting 8-12GB VRAM Nvidia cards in the $300-$600 price range 5 years from now and the flagship SKUs like the 4090s move up to the $2500+ range like the Titan cards did. The only places where AMD can't compete yet are in CUDA and AI/machine learning and 99% of Nvidia users aren't using either, so there's no excuse left anymore.
@@ma-af3753 the problem with AMD is they need to fix there upscaler. FSR still looks bad compared to dlss. hopefully AMD fixes this with FSR4 using ai cores (they are already doing that in the ps5pro with PSSR, although PSSR has many of its own issues). and many games these days are requiring upscal;ing to get playable frame-rates....so having a bad upscaler is why AMD marketshare is so small
The 5080 looks gimped to hell compared to the 5090. Either the 5090 is going to be amazing...or the 5080 is going to be dissapointing.
They want to push people to buy 5090 or settle for less
The 5080 is still expected to match or even be slightly faster than a 4090 in rasterization. In ray tracing it should beat it by a decent margin due to its much faster ray tracing cores. If they can launch it for $999 it'll be a great card.
5090 will obv be great. The rest of them are GARBAGE. Allegedly the 5080 ti/super, whatever tf it will be…will be pretty decent. Otherwise 50 series is dog water.
@@godnamedtay Yeah I want to upgrade soon as possible but seeing this it just doesnt make sense to buy 5080 or 5070. 5090 is too expensive so kinda have to wait for super or ti to come out..
@@03chrisv Performing like lasts Gens 90 Tier card is exactly what a 70 Tier card should be able to do.
the difference in specs of the 5090 to the 5080 is absolutely disgusting behaviour. 5080 isn't good enough for probably 1299 and the 5090 is way to power hungry and expensive at probably 2k+
12GB of VRAM is an utter joke for the regular 5070. 12GB on the Ti variant is more than taking the piss. Wtf is going through Jensen's head?
well he knows his consumers are brand brain-washed idiots and is expertly exploiting their biases.
Being worth like $200B
Tbf there's no mention of 12gb on 5070Ti in the leak, but i wouldn't expect Nvidia to not F over consumers at this point
If the 5070 has 16gb more than likely the 5070ti. Now if it got 18 or maybe even 20gb that would be solid.
The more you buy the more you save that is all 😂😂
RTX 5080 looks like a scam lmao. Wtf are those specs
The 10 series was 1070 was 75% of the 1080 and the 1060 was 50% now the 5080 is 50% of the main card and 5070 ti is 41% the power of the 5090 nvgreddia is really milking these cards
Wow this is the most dissatisfied I’ve been with gpu news in ever!
look at the new intel gpus. 4070super/4070ti performance for cheap. And also 16-24gb vram
@ that’s great and all but I don’t trust intel
I was more disappointed when the 4070 Ti was (officially) announced. Because you just KNEW that the 4070 was gonna be shittier. And the mfs wanted to call it "4080 12GB"! 🤬🤬 The entire 4000 cards except for maybe the 4090 is shifted by 1-2 tiers. Then they wondered last year why the had the lowest GPU sales in over 20 years (actual article). Gee, I WONDER WHY. And now I'm even MORE disappointed to learn that the "4060" (which is really a 4030Ti in disguise) is now top of the Steam Hardware Survey charts. 😠 People make me so angry. It just means that they're gonna pull the same shit in the future. VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS, SHEEPLE!
So glad I bought a used 7900xtx for $650 last week. At least it will hold me over until the sh## storm blows over.
Great deal! I just bought a 7900xtx from Micro Center open box for 760. Didn't shop around, just saw it and bought it.
Imo the 5060 should be 12gb. 5070 should be 16gb. The 5080 should be 20gb and the 5090 should be 32gb.
Nvidia doesn't exist to make consumers happy, it exists to make shareholders happy
@ololometer536 Exactly. And guess what, people will still buy it anyways and to flex online.
I'm more interested if we will finally get full DP 2.0 speeds.
If so, it only took 5 whole years for the implementation...
Never felt the need for it anyway. But curious nonetheless
@@mikelay53608k 144hz?
I see it being useful for the new 4k oled displays that supports dp 2.1 which allows for 4k 240hz WITHOUT dsc (display stream compression)
@Chicken-o5e 8k 144hz needs it too. I want to upgrade my 4k 144hz
@@Chicken-o5eSame with 1440p 360hz and above
There's no reduction in cost per transistor from TSMC in this generation. Thus you should expect price per SM be same between generations, and perf/$ coming from frequency and maybe small architectural improvements. Thus most probable pricing is keeping pricing of 40 series refresh from 5080 to below. And die for 5090 was designed from ground up to be 1999$ card because at the time when that die was designed fastest card could carry any price and there would be enough demand for it.
Reasonable expectation is that 5080 is 999$ 5070 ti is 799$ and 5070 is 549$ And 5090 is 1999$. Ideally most cards would be 100$ cheaper, but Nvidia has pretty much just used same basic multiplier between their manufacturing cost and MSRP from at least 10 series if not longer.
is the 50 seires based on the same process node this generation if so you should still expect price reductions on the tsmc side as nodes mature prices tend to go down slightly its why in the past nvidia would do budget cards on more mature nodes
@@alexmeek610 Supply and demand, not just Nvidia buying, other industries tend to jump nodes a year or 2 behind the computer market, no new nodes means competition for manufacturing slots, there's something stupid like 80+ microchips in a single car these days.
Eh I think you need to tack on at least $100 to all of them except maybe the 5090. Maybe $200. The original 4080 was $1199 on release.
I doubt they undersell themselves from the last gen when costs have gone up.
@@alexmeek610 Except TSMC has increased its prices instead of reduced due to extra demand recently for the node. But that change is probably compensated by yield improvements.
Well I found out that the RTX 5070TI is going to have 16GB of GDRR7 of VRAM on a 256 bit memory bus. I also found out that it’s going to lose to the RTX 4080 super and possibly the RTX 4080 in rasterization. Now regardless DLSS and raytracing it may get a small bump but it’s still not great.
Another thing is that Jesen mentioned an artificial GPU shortage again.
Overall not looking good for Nvidia.
Gamers if the RTX 5070TI is priced at $700 or more. Avoid it like the plague and get the AMD 8800XT instead when it comes out.
I've started boycotting Nvidia three years ago.
At this point they're just relying on the "higher number better" crowd to buy their stuff whether it's really better or not
this is exactly why I bought a 4070 ti super last month. Was debating waiting for the 5000 series, but unless you're buying the 5090, this gen looks pretty unappealing.
5070 ti looks decent. Should be like a 7900xtx in raster and still gets 16gb
After the mining craze GPUs became a license to print money. A 2.5x increase in price or so for the same range of cards.
Why such a huge gap in vids cores from 90 to 80 class. Unreal they get away with doing this stuff. If 90 has 20,000. 80class should have atleast 15,000
Should've been close to the 4090's 16k. Probably reserved for the 5080 Super/Ti to fill the tremendous gap.
so, again, the 50"70" here is actually a '60-class' card. nvidia with their stupid shenanigans, as always.
How the fuck could a 5080 POSSIBLY be on par with a 4090 as cut down as it is?! No achievable amount of clock or ips boosts can do that literal magic... It's just a god damn 4080 all over again
I like the idea that the 4070 ti be a specialized card that caters for a duel system. A 1440 p pc monitor, and a TV style system, where entry level 4k is a thing.
So Nvidia is releasing a 60 class card called RTX *070 again?
So what is mm2 of next gpu generation? If I want to upgrade from my 3060ti to another 300mm2 chip I must buy 5080? did chip sizes inflate this much even when prices went up 20% from gen to gen? Why is 4060 same chips as 4050?
lol its like nvidia is praising me for buying a 7900xtx an hour ago. Like yes please, keep reassuring me that not waiting for the 5070 was the right decision. This 3070 im about to upgrade from will always hold a special place in my heart tho since its my first GPU.
BEst choice if you are 4k especially, it has the VRAM to last and run modded games and future ones.
20gb is bare minimum now. Entire Nvidia lineup outside 90 series is DOA for the last year if you really want to game in future and mod at 4k.
Me laughing in 7800xt at half the price. Quit buying Nvidia for they're gonna keep doing crap like this.
Is it stable? my Rx 580 that I bought in 2018 gave me heaps of trouble.
Why nVidia not leaving how much vram to use up to AIB to decide. They can limit the power and speed of the core die, but leave the vram capacity.
As someone who is buying a new pc next year I will see what amd and intel have in store for mid range
the fact that they also dont know how much VRAM it has in the leak.. is troubling lol. but its probably kept secret so people will buy the 5070 and not wait for the 5070ti.
It’s 16GB VRAM according to Techpowerup. But it’s going to be over $800 making it a big scam.
no theyre releasing at the same time lol. It also seems to be pretty guaranteed to be 16gb
"The more you buy the more you get" is Ngreedias motto.
You get the planned obsolescence for free
Not giving the 5080 bare minimum 20 gigs is insane unless there are planning a 5080s or ti S with more vram. Yea I’m going to get a 4080s on Black Friday and just wait for 6 series cards. Congratulations you’ve priced out the majority of your consumers with bad price to performance
dumb buy if its more than 800 $
@ it’s $900 right now but I’m fine with that
Man the 7900xtx is on sale for $800 here and its raster is similar to 4080s. But for my case, i want good stream encoder which nvidia is way better at...
@ same man the 7900xtx was my first choice but I’m still going to have to go with the 4080s. $800 is a steal for that card and apparently it’s going down to 788. I just hope the 4080s can get to 890 that would be perfect
@@Chicken-o5e Nvidia you have to limit your screen FPS to what you stream, or it can tear/cause issues, that's what no one ever tells you. Also if you are on 4k, 20gb is used for modded games already so the 80 series is DOA.
Sad thing is, there is still no Nvidia consumer Video card which cost over $150 to make.
They’re pulling an apple saying that 12gbs of vram is just as good as another gpu with 24 gbs of vram.
they only give 16GB vram to the 5080???
The new Stalker game consumes 22gb vram on the 4090 :o
the only card that has proper vram is the 5090.
12 GB are not enough for the 5070.
im right now holding back with buying a GPU. I wanted to get a 3060 ti or 4060.
but then i thought of waiting for the new Nvidea GPUs. But it looks like i rather wait for new AMD and Intel GPUs instead..
i need proper vram amounts, even on the low and medium end cards
22gb allocation not usage, you get the same thing in call of duty games and besides, Nvidia cards are known to use way less vram than AMD due to optimisation for example.
These are the specs I think:
5060 - 8gb
5060 Ti - 8gb
5070 - 12gb
5070 Ti - 12gb
5080 - 16gb
5090 - 28/32gb
Don't write off Intel. Battle mage is supposed to trade blows with 4070.
@@KamWysz nvidia textures also look worse at times because of 'optimization'
imagine paying 1200$ for 16GB LOL
i cant believe people actually expected nvidia to add more vram to a 70 card. the 4080 is already a cut in half 4090 which is hilarious. only thing i can see happening this gen is nvidia adding about 3-4 different 4080 models to keep milking the fan boys.
There will be a 5080 ti for sure. Too much of a gap between the 5090 and 5080
This really could be a real moment the shift could change in the GPU market with AMD improving ray tracing for next gen and introducing FSR4 with AI based upscaling akin to DLSS. With AMDs pure rasterisation performance, and known for having a good amount of VRAM, lower prices and the next gen GPUs being built in 4nm, could we now see more people adopting AMD as they're now over Intel in the CPU market.. Quite exciting times for the consumer, if AMD can pull this launch off.
Its been over a year since fsr3 came out and its in less than 5 games. Even if AMD releases AI based upscaling it will be years before its in a reasonable amount of games. FSR makes amd cards unusable for UE5 and future games.
The report says over 60 games already support it, and soon over 158 games will, an extensive list of it. Possibly why they will shift to an AI based one, since that's the way the industry is going. We will see.
LOL. So glad I just bought a 7999 XT for $584 shipped.
12gb vram is not enough if you play on ultra texture and frame generation enable
This is what happends when there isnt any competition. HUGE prices and underwhelming specs/ performance. They can charge what they want for a minimum boost in performance. They haven't released yet, I know BUT Im calling it early. I have a good feeling they ALL will be more expensive than we want AND disappoint us with the performance numbers.
from 5090 to 5080 its not drop its a face slap
classic:
reduce the features but don't change the price...
marketing 101...
This makes me almost regret buying a PC with an NVIDIA 4070 Super GPU in it recently, just because it's NVIDIA
Given that gen to gen uplifts aren't what used to be, limiting the offered VRAM is nvidia's guarantee to drive sells of the next refresh/generation.
yeah... but next generation amd.
More then 24gb VRAM? Modded Skyrim, there will probably be someone playing 4K stacked with texture mods and maybe add VR into the mix
Depends on the price, Right now a 4070ti is 700 and a super with 16gb or ram is $740. NVIDIA releases it at $700 and it beats the 4080 by 10%-15 they may be ok but I feel that is the min acceptable improvement acceptable. The problem is tariffs we get 10-20% added on and even a $700 card become $770-840.
if it has 16gb of memory and dual nvenc encoders I will be interested (was looking at the 4070ti super). but if its worse than the 4070ti super that would be silly
they are just making it so that people with the 1080ti dont have to upgrade . keep gimping the cards nvidia , my 1080ti still has a few good years left in her at this rate.
hmmm i wonder how AMD's new 8000 series will perform against these 5070's?
Me too. For my needs, my 3070 is still good, but once I eventually want to upgrade I'll definitely be considering getting an amd gpu rather than nvidia
based on the performance we expect from the mainstream cards out of Nvidia it will either be a Zen moment and kickstart a movement that will see a massive market shift, or they will mess it up and market it as vs Nvidia when all they need to do is walk out and do a $299 mic drop and watch the community lose it and attack Nvidia themselves, gaming on PC is becoming ridiculously expensive with how demanding games are getting, some cheap and competent cards are what we need like yesterday.
@@kristiandevil im happy with my current setup that i built around the 7900 XTX which can go neck to neck with 4080 super WITHOUT upscaling and tbh i dont really care much for upscaling some games perform better without it.
@@elysian3623 we shall wait and see then shall we?
I’m willing to bet it will perform similar to RTX 5070 but have more VRaM, better AI features, and better price at around $500 or lower
The 5070(ti) will be a true 60 class performer, with a 70 class nametag and for 80 class money...
There's several things that don't make sense here:
1.) I thought this was supposed to be a generational improvement, as in, more power efficient? Nope. all these cards are rated higher watts, meaning pretty much all the performance increase we're getting is due to simply adding more cores and more watts, and slightly better memory bandwidth (well, of course the 5090 is almost doubling it's bandwidth, but for the rest... about a 20% improvement)
2.) The 5090 (and the 4090 before it) is the only card getting a good treatment here. it's got like 40-50% MORE SMs (and RT cores) than the 4090 (which had a lot more than the 3090). Whereas the other cards are just getting like 5% more than their previous counterpart. the 4090 was already almost 100% BETTER than the 4080, which was reflected in the cost, i get it, but this 5090 will be literally more than twice as good as the 5080. The 5080 will be 4% better than the 4080/5070 ti. it's ridiculous.
3.) 12GB ?? On an $800 card?! ARE YOU SERIOUS RIGHT NOW
The only saving grace would be HUGE IPC increases.
As someone looking to get into pc would you recommend getting the 4090 over the 5080? Or will the 5080 be slightly better?
I believe the highest vram usage I’ve seen was with hogwarts reaching 14-16gb depending on resolution closely followed by cyberpunk
funny enough they are lastgen games. Ue5 engine games dont have much issues with vram, they are very memory efficient.,
@ hopefully we don’t need more than 20gbs until the 6000 series comes out
Looking at the 5070Ti, I can only think of one thing and that is RIP the 5070.
It's not a modern 70 class release without being frustratingly disappointing.
Friendly reminder do not buy to fix the prices. Another friendly reminder its always cheaper the generation afterwards.
I've skipped 2 gen so far. Hope AMD delivers this time around. Ain't gonna pay premium for a 12GB card
Its official now! RTX 5060Ti = 8GB Vram!!!
& 500$ msrp for sure... 💀
A 70 class card at 192 bit bus. You aren't running that thing at high resolutions
I feel like they're missing a card that's a straight replacement in the market for the 4090. I realise a forthcoming 5080Ti could be that card, but it seems weird for NVidia to stop production on the 4090 and then create a lot of demand in the secondhand market. You'd think they'd want to encourage firsthand sales.
We know why. Nvidia HATES you! They have new customers now, they thought if they kept feeding gamers crap, they’d go away.
But they didn’t! Now Nvidia just gets to fleece consumers forevermore.
And it turns out people LIKE getting fleeced. 😐 The "4060" (which is really a 4030Ti in disguise) is now top of the Steam Hardware Survey. Un-be-fucking-livable. 😐 Nvidiots keep buying them. Signaling to Ngreedia that it's OKAY to charge $300 for a card that should be sub-$100.
So they are going to be more expensive like always but not really more performance because you have to use them at lower settings to avoid vram limit....
They really only care about their server sales since its 90% of their revenue.
Should i get an used rtx 4080 super for 250usd off or wait for 5070/70Ti/80?
5070Ti will probably be weaker and more expensive than a $250 off 4080S. If you plan on gaming at 4k or 1440p at 120fps (or higher), don't bother with a 70 tier. I have a 4080S and am not even glancing at anything lower than a 5080, and may even skip for a Super or Ti variant with anything higher than 16GB VRAM. It all comes down to what your aim is.
The only card technically worth buying is 5090. Economically no.
5090 is way too expensive, takes way too much power, will probably melt cables and be a fire hazard like the previous xx90 generations. It makes sense performance-wise, but it's not a card for the regular user. AMD, here I come. Nvidia will disappear from the gaming/PC market.
Honestly bro..using vulkan in star citizen at 1440p you get so close to using the full 12gb that you actually lose performance..
12gb is shit.
Well, I'm happy I out this is my skip generation. But these GPUs are looking more and more like planned redundancy and upselling, why upselling I think a lot of the comments have nailed it. Step the name down and you get the real level of the GPU 80=70 70-60 etc. and look at 5090 and its single 12 pin that is going to pull 600w, that sounds like story. We know it will interesting to watch what happens when get into wild.
Hopefully Intel BMG can be good enough to eat into the midrange market. Give me a B770 with 16gb with 4070ti performance for $500 over a 5070 with 12gb for $600 anyday!
I HAVE STOPPED BLAMING NVIDIA FOR ALL OF THESE RUBBISH...
THE CONSUMERS ARE TO BLAME...
THERE IS A REASON WHY MICROSOFT AND SONY WENT WITH AMD...
People are so stupid for buying the 4060 because now it's one of the most popular GPUs. Anyone who is at least relatively experienced with PC gaming will know the 4060 is a 4050. Nvidia has gotten away with using an 07 chip, which is normally used for the 50 class GPU into a 60 class GPU. This is why I call it the fake 4060 because it has the performance of a 4050, but with the 4060 naming scheme and price slapped onto it. Worst of all, the 4060 managed to get this popular with only 8GB of VRAM on a measly 128-bit bus. This proves people really are that stupid and don't bother doing any research before buying a GPU. Hopefully, the 5060 doesn't suffer from the same problem, and it actually ends up using the full 06 chip and not the 07 chip. Fanboys are a major reason why the PC gaming industry constantly gets screwed.
I blame it on people for buying their brand new products.
Let their sales flop.
Keep your old cards or go for AMD.
This is what 90% of market share does. Keep going. Buy their stuff for the world’s all money like there is no tomorrow.
AMD is our only hope for the every day gamer that doesn't want to spend a mortgage payment on a video card... They need to have the 8800XT absolutely BLOW their 5070 out of the water.
Not gonna happen AMD Will compete with the 5070 but that's about it
@@reiudfgq3vrh34ur You literally just repeated what I said but tried to make it out that I was wrong and you are right...
AMD said themselves they aren't trying to complete with the 5090/5080 because of the absurd prices and the NVIDIA shills will never buy anything but that. AMD has always thrived at producing results in the Mid to just above mid-high tiers. Their CPU's started off mid tier and now they have the best gaming CPU on the market.
So I am glad they said they will be competing with the 5070 because if the rumors are true, the 5070 is going to be a failure with only 12 GB of VRAM on it. Guaranteed NVIDIA is going to be waiting for their S/Ti/TiS models to actually make any kind of improvements and also make it a much higher price. The 8800XT is going to blow the 5070 out of the water in price/performance.
People are really hung up on the VRAM amounts nowadays. There have been multiple independent tests out there and the amount you need varies mainly on two factors Resolution and addon features(Settings/DLSS/RTX/Etc.). Trying to futureproof your GPU for VRAM is pointless as a lower end card cannot drive higher resolutions at a reasonable framerate regardless of how much VRAM it has. Determine what resolution you are planning to game at and then make your decisions from there. Hardware Unboxed did a good video breaking it all down. Short version is if you are maxing out every available setting and feature 1080p you want ~11 GB+, 1440p you want ~12 GB+, 4K you want ~15 GB+. Keep in mind you can adjust this easily by simply turning down some settings.
The 5080 vs 4090 debate is going to be super interesting....if the 5080 is a dud I wonder if it will keep the 4090s price up
To some everything up you get to pay more money for the same vram an 8gb 5060 will struggle on 1080p high and will be a 720p card within a couple of years you would be better just buying a 8800xt at this point
If these leaks are correct it seems the gaming laptops will be very disappointing and it won't match the performance of last generation desktop gpus like it has done for the last 3 or so generations.
Eh, I might wait for AMD's new offerings or get a 4070 Super or 7900GRE on a Black Friday/Cyber Monday sale.
This feels an awful lot like Kepler launch, especially considering there will be more segments coming in 2025 with the new 50% larger capacity memory chips. 5090 won't even be the top card when the full stack is done launching.
LLMs can use a lot of VRAM
A next gen 70 class card should be better than the previous 70 class card in every way. But the stupid decision to put 12gb vram again makes the 4070ti super the better option
Why ? Because THEY Can. And You will still buy it and praise Them.
And people will STILL buy it, proved it with the 1650, 3050, 3060 (non ti), 4060 and 4070 (non ti) , the amount of brand loyalty have with n-greedia is just astonishing. These people do not care about you!
if rtx 5090 gonna be 1899$ reference model, doing some math... rtx 5080 999$ , rtx 5070 ti 799$ and rtx 5070 probably 599$ as usual 🤔
if the 5070 is 12gb of memory the 5060 will most likely be 8 or 10. I sincerely hope AMD makes the 8600 XT have 12gb of memory just to screw Nvidia over.
They're definitely gonna release a 5080TI with 20gb vram for about $400 more....just watch. 16gb is just dumb AF for the 5080. Should be 20gb for 80 and 24 for TI.
24gb. They'll use 3gb chips when they're available in volume.
There will be a "super" version for the other cards that does the same too
Might start skipping gens or just buying a big card every 3 at this rate. It's clear since maxwell or pascal was so good for consumers that they will basically keep computational power away from anything but flagship, always ensure gains aren't too much over previous gens and that eventually due to lack of vram otherwise good cards will need to be replaced.
New Nvidia Gpu? It's milking time!