I think about this everyday, especially when we are not in key-train limits and we are 50MPH. You have no idea what the rail it like under you at anytime. This could have been alot worse if we are 1 man crews
I know I always review what we are carrying and how far back it is, and immediately what numbers to call in case. Always mention it in my job briefing with the engineer.
Unfortunately. Even IF the FRA was to sit and listen to yard work and the transmissions between workers and supervisors, soon as they show up everything is done by the book. But just as quickly as they leave everything goes back to cutting corners
If this had been a 'One Man Crew' think of the lost time the engineer would have wasted tying four locomotive handbrakes(as required by rule) and 'Isolating' each locomotive before getting off the locomotives. It would have delayed him significantly in getting safely to the derailment area to report what railcars were derailed, on fire, and what the contents were based on his 'Train List' or 'Manifest.' It would have delayed important information to the 'First Responders'.
Absolutely. One of the crew members on this train reached out to me and let me know what all went down. There were 3 guys on that train and they saved lives based on what I was told.
We had a train derailment here in sandusky last year. I was driving toward downtown and all the sudden there was a few fire trucks and ambulances. Then later that day I find out it was another hazardous material spill. The bridge traffic goes under was closed for a week or 2 afterwards.
One of the NTSB press conferences they said in the interviews, "the conductor got down and cut the engines/cars off the train." I don't think an expediting conductor could have done that.
@@pootispiker2866 that is true but PSR has nothing to do with removing conductors on the head end. Removing the conductors has everything to do with money.
As a former truck driver, I was responsible for my 80,000 pound load. To have only one engineer on a train, carrying the equivalent of 200 to 300 truck trailers with a master conductor in a pick up truck, commanding multiple trains, is insane crap thought up by a bunch of filthy lawyers!
Nevermind the profits. Exceptionally dangerous loads like this should be in their own extra trains to keep them shorter and safer. Also, it's possible the defect detectors were too far apart here. Last, RRs should reintroduce the caboose.
Your ad pop ups are the same as mine on sites like this, except it's car parts 😁 I'm really glad no one was hurt, could've been a lot worse. I can't believe that they're still trying to push 1 man crews.
The NTSB stated that the crew got a warning from the defect detector, and then an emergency brake was application was initiated. Could that have been the cause of the derailment, the train going in to emergency? Not sure if that means the engineer put the train in emergency or the train went in to emergency because of the derailment.
I believe if I remember correctly the operating rules are something along the lines of it the detector detects something wrong with the train they must stop the train safely. My initial assumption is the detector went off and before the engineer could stop the train the correct way the train derailed and cause the train to go into emergency. I could be complete wrong this is just me speculating. We should know something within 4-6 weeks.
I can 100% guarantee you they could have if the terminal superintendents, and yard masters would stay off their ass about getting done quicker. That is the real problem in my opinion. Allow the professionals to do their job correctly.
True, 1st on scene in any situation. People just don't know the prepping that goes on before we take over a train. We, the Conductors, are responsible for the way the train is built even when we take over the train on the line of road. We have to job brief dispatchers on how many engines and cars we have. Do we have sufficient power for the tonnage of train. What train restrictions do we have, and are we a key train. We also let the dispatcher know if there are any problems with the way the train is built. We are held accountable if any of the above are incorrect.
If the unions haven’t spoke on this in the hearings they definitely should and if they have this should be more reason for the FRA to mandate 2 man crews- just wonder if it will happen. Lives are at stake
Just a fantasy suggestion here, but if there was a crew or at least one person on the aft of the train at all times would this help prevent so many accidents from happening? There are film footage showing that there was a fire before the derailment on one of the wheels of the cars and would that be a bearing giving out?
Curious to see how the Class 1's spin this as a direct result of having two people in the cab and how a conductor, in a truck, dispatched from a central location, would have prevented this incident from happening.
They won't ever bring this up again. East Palestine is a hell hole of a construction zone right now. Once they have it patched back up, they will never speak of this again to male it go away. Craziest part is they fixed their tracks before they fixed anything else in the town.
@Railroad Talk I'll tell you what's crazy... we've had contractors all over the cleveland and ft wayne line that run from conway to Cleveland, also runs through east palestine. Trains have been getting detectors left and right in the last few days.. idk if detectors have sensitivity levels or what, but its bizarre.. I had a HTUA/key train tonight I had to walk cause of a partial hand brake. Like maybe half a turn on the brake set off the detector. Makes me wonder how many hot wheels we've actually had come into conway that never got picked up over the last few years
I think I read somewhere that it derailed right after a detector transmitted a warning (don’t quote me on that). That’s sucks for the crew, zero chance to get the train stopped in time. I find it crazy that there’s articles out there from people with PHDs about how automated freight trains are the future. Guess they must have a PHD in stupidity 🤷♂️ Apologies for the rant, but this nonsense just boils my blood.
I would say it would be a good idea as long there are people in the train just in case (kinda like planes nowadays) but then I realized trains just go one way and switch lanes so seems pointless
I always wondered how often are cars inspected and maintained. Like are do they have maintenance records and schedules like the locomotives do or are they just ran and hope for the best. I think of my car trailer. When i used to use it regularly every few trips i would inspect it, jack it up check the wheel bearings, lights, etc
Carman are suppose to inspect railcars before they leave the terminal, however carman are most times rushed to get the inspection done get the hoses laced and brake test done. In reality this is a super time consuming task but carriers care about one thing, money. I bet a lot of carman on this channel have been told not to bad order a car many times due to how long it takes to switch out a car due to the length of trains and what’s all involved with getting a bad order railcar out.
There needs to be somebody in a caboose or rear helper watching. Maybe should be a requirement on trains over a set length or what the train is carrying.
I was fortunate enough to ride on a few of them.. it was like a time capsule. I had an old head conductor tell me how they use to ride in the back and how things worked with 6-7 man crews. Amazing
@@Railroad_Talk Rock Island Railroad was a mighty fine line to work for. I remember listening to interviews with former Rock Island employees they said it was great company , with great employees, great Bosses, and they said that the Rockisland had great unions . The Railroad treated them like family and was great place to build seniority too. In 1975 it went bankrupt because of a failed merger with Union Pacific and in 1980 a federal Judge ordered the The Rock Island to shut down and creditors begin liquidation of the Railroad. The Employees were sad to see their Railroad go.
@@Joel-sy4ho I have never found an employer who treated their employees like family. I have worked for some pretty large corporations and even some smaller ones. Money has grabbed ahold of these guys I guess. I enjoy where I am now. The bosses have treated me right, not like family but with respect which I respect a lot. The like “family” i hope will come after I spend a few more years here. Appreciate you sharing your experiences. I can sit and listen all day. I was given the option towards the end of my training on where I wanted to work, I choose the local that had the old head I was referring to his name was Steve Southern. One of the coolest and greatest guys I ever had the pleasure of working with. Stories for days about how he use to hang off the railcar and grab the track warrants at the depot. Crazy how quickly things have changed out there on the rails.
did you see the security cam video of this train 20 miles from East Palastine . The wheels were on fire on a covered hopper as it went bye the cam, so it looks like a defect with the hot box detector or the crew did not pick up the hot box recording. This train should of been stopped miles from where it derailed in east Palastine
well the train went across a defect dector and put the train in emergency brake application but it was to late because of a over heated journal bearing.
@@frankjanvari737 yea that's all they could do... the detector pops you and all you can do is cross your fingers that you can stop BEFORE it all falls apart
Wow, can’t believe my assumption was correct 🤣. I have seen one first hand screaming hot and it doesn’t take much to catch the brake shoes, the oil from the greasers, you also have plastic bushings that keep the brake rigging from hitting metal to metal (forgot the correct term, been years since I was a carman) a lot of stuff that can catch fire near those wheels.
I live about 10 minutes from this event. Most people are concerned about the long term effects of this vinyl chloride. We're not buying that after all this We're just safe now.
@Railroad Talk cool buddy. Just came across your channel and subscribed. Alot of good information 👌 I'm considering getting out of HVAC and entering the railroad doing Conducting. Would it be even possible for me to have my dog if I did this job? I don't have any kids I'm single guy. The traveling and seeing/doing different things everyday seems like a great fit for me. I would not give my dog back to the shelter but if need be I have family who would watch him.
@@BongLogic757 I am not sure about other carriers but I know NS does not allow pets but I am not 100% on the other carriers. Never hurts to ask if you decide to go that route lol. Thanks for the support man!
Every railroad is currently trying to cut cost and it makes me sick. UP cant even get lease locomotives from GE anymore because they run the damn things to the dirt and dont maintain them so yea why would we lease you something you are gonna destroy. This same mentality trickles down to the cars and other equipment as well, sending cars out on trains with moon crater sized flat spots, paper thin flanges, shit bearings that havent been serviced for who knows how long, and old ass rusted knuckles that are gonna break when you set an eot on them(i know they wont really break from an eot its just a joke but you get the idea) of course something like this is bound to happen again and again. I get it not every car can be serviced on time but damn atleast make an attempt to service the equipment with our lives being on the line. Literally last night "hey this unit goes dead at midnight tonight", "itll be ok just run it and itll get serviced at the next destination".....LIES AS FUCK because its gonna get put on the next train as a dead bad unit and each maintenance facility is gonna play ping pong with it because nobody wants to fix it! And coincidentally the 4th unit in the same consist was dead bad because it blew up the crank case, see the trend here. But hey im just a nobody like the rest of us that are threatening to get kicked out the cab so what do i know lol.
Lac-Megantic insured that canada will never have 1 man crews and had major impacts on CROR. I think the response to lac was sufficient. But American rail is still pretty far behind, then again NS alone is just as big finically as CN
@@Nordkampf regardless of country boundaries; the fact that it happened with a 1 man crew with POORLY maintained locomitives should be conversation enough
Today's Railroads are nothing like the Railroads of the 1940's. I hate that Railroads don't care about the safety of their employees. A one man Crew is a sign of greed , lust for money, and very Dangerous!
conductors saves lives. That's some spin. Did the conductor execute the correct switch-?? if you cause a problem of course you should have remedy.. the conductor caused a gd problem is what you mean...
I agree with you Joey 100% we need to kept two person crew just in case like this derailment in Ohio happen two days ago, So that the people who live in these small town could get out safety it could be alot worse if we have a 1 person crew, I just wish class 1 railroad companies would quit this non-sense with this 1 person crew so they can save money which is ridiculous, Because should be #1 priority.
i wouldn't hope for that... enough good NS folks have already been victims of PSR... no need for more decent folks to lose their job just because of a derailment.
If the unions haven’t spoke on this in the hearings they definitely should and if they have this should be more reason for the FRA to mandate 2 man crews- just wonder if it will happen. Lives are at stake
If the unions haven’t spoke on this in the hearings they definitely should and if they have this should be more reason for the FRA to mandate 2 man crews- just wonder if it will happen. Lives are at stake
If the unions haven’t spoke on this in the hearings they definitely should and if they have this should be more reason for the FRA to mandate 2 man crews- just wonder if it will happen. Lives are at stake
I think about this everyday, especially when we are not in key-train limits and we are 50MPH. You have no idea what the rail it like under you at anytime. This could have been alot worse if we are 1 man crews
I know I always review what we are carrying and how far back it is, and immediately what numbers to call in case. Always mention it in my job briefing with the engineer.
Unfortunately. Even IF the FRA was to sit and listen to yard work and the transmissions between workers and supervisors, soon as they show up everything is done by the book. But just as quickly as they leave everything goes back to cutting corners
If this had been a 'One Man Crew' think of the lost time the engineer would have wasted tying four locomotive handbrakes(as required by rule) and 'Isolating' each locomotive before getting off the locomotives. It would have delayed him significantly in getting safely to the derailment area to report what railcars were derailed, on fire, and what the contents were based on his 'Train List' or 'Manifest.' It would have delayed important information to the 'First Responders'.
Absolutely. One of the crew members on this train reached out to me and let me know what all went down. There were 3 guys on that train and they saved lives based on what I was told.
You have gotten me interested into railroading :) thank you!
Bring back the Caboose.
We had a train derailment here in sandusky last year. I was driving toward downtown and all the sudden there was a few fire trucks and ambulances. Then later that day I find out it was another hazardous material spill. The bridge traffic goes under was closed for a week or 2 afterwards.
CP and Iowa Interstate run 2 mile long ethanol trains through Davenport, Iowa. I can't imagine running these without conductors.
One of the NTSB press conferences they said in the interviews, "the conductor got down and cut the engines/cars off the train." I don't think an expediting conductor could have done that.
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good point
I need to find that report.. what happened in Ohio is a hell of an argument to the FRA as to why we need conductors on the head end.
@@Railroad_Talk It's a hell of an argument to outlaw PSR
@@pootispiker2866 that is true but PSR has nothing to do with removing conductors on the head end. Removing the conductors has everything to do with money.
was the bearing. i talked to the tm about it
The conductor did his job properly.
As a former truck driver, I was responsible for my 80,000 pound load. To have only one engineer on a train, carrying the equivalent of 200 to 300 truck trailers with a master conductor in a pick up truck, commanding multiple trains, is insane crap thought up by a bunch of filthy lawyers!
Sheared off journal my guess…roller bearings fail rarely but fail fast when they do.
We need to get back to 6-7 man Crews.
Cars don't get inspected like they used to .
Nevermind the profits. Exceptionally dangerous loads like this should be in their own extra trains to keep them shorter and safer. Also, it's possible the defect detectors were too far apart here. Last, RRs should reintroduce the caboose.
Your ad pop ups are the same as mine on sites like this, except it's car parts 😁
I'm really glad no one was hurt, could've been a lot worse. I can't believe that they're still trying to push 1 man crews.
Could you make some videos of yard work?
Can you do a video on the first 30-60 days in the carrer?
The NTSB stated that the crew got a warning from the defect detector, and then an emergency brake was application was initiated. Could that have been the cause of the derailment, the train going in to emergency? Not sure if that means the engineer put the train in emergency or the train went in to emergency because of the derailment.
I believe if I remember correctly the operating rules are something along the lines of it the detector detects something wrong with the train they must stop the train safely. My initial assumption is the detector went off and before the engineer could stop the train the correct way the train derailed and cause the train to go into emergency. I could be complete wrong this is just me speculating. We should know something within 4-6 weeks.
@@Railroad_Talk yea you're right joey... engr supposed to stop safely... too bad everything went sideways BEFORE they stopped
I wonder if all the Car men Ns laid off might of help prevent the Derailment
now there's a GOOD question
I can 100% guarantee you they could have if the terminal superintendents, and yard masters would stay off their ass about getting done quicker. That is the real problem in my opinion. Allow the professionals to do their job correctly.
True, 1st on scene in any situation. People just don't know the prepping that goes on before we take over a train. We, the Conductors, are responsible for the way the train is built even when we take over the train on the line of road. We have to job brief dispatchers on how many engines and cars we have. Do we have sufficient power for the tonnage of train. What train restrictions do we have, and are we a key train. We also let the dispatcher know if there are any problems with the way the train is built. We are held accountable if any of the above are incorrect.
If the unions haven’t spoke on this in the hearings they definitely should and if they have this should be more reason for the FRA to mandate 2 man crews- just wonder if it will happen. Lives are at stake
My dream is to work on the railroad on Norfolk southern in Elkhart Indiana
Just a fantasy suggestion here, but if there was a crew or at least one person on the aft of the train at all times would this help prevent so many accidents from happening? There are film footage showing that there was a fire before the derailment on one of the wheels of the cars and would that be a bearing giving out?
Curious to see how the Class 1's spin this as a direct result of having two people in the cab and how a conductor, in a truck, dispatched from a central location, would have prevented this incident from happening.
I hope they try, that’ll give me some great content 🤣🤣
They won't ever bring this up again. East Palestine is a hell hole of a construction zone right now. Once they have it patched back up, they will never speak of this again to male it go away. Craziest part is they fixed their tracks before they fixed anything else in the town.
@Railroad Talk I'll tell you what's crazy... we've had contractors all over the cleveland and ft wayne line that run from conway to Cleveland, also runs through east palestine. Trains have been getting detectors left and right in the last few days.. idk if detectors have sensitivity levels or what, but its bizarre.. I had a HTUA/key train tonight I had to walk cause of a partial hand brake. Like maybe half a turn on the brake set off the detector. Makes me wonder how many hot wheels we've actually had come into conway that never got picked up over the last few years
I think I read somewhere that it derailed right after a detector transmitted a warning (don’t quote me on that). That’s sucks for the crew, zero chance to get the train stopped in time. I find it crazy that there’s articles out there from people with PHDs about how automated freight trains are the future. Guess they must have a PHD in stupidity 🤷♂️ Apologies for the rant, but this nonsense just boils my blood.
Just journalist speaking out of ignorance 🤣🤣🤣
I would say it would be a good idea as long there are people in the train just in case (kinda like planes nowadays) but then I realized trains just go one way and switch lanes so seems pointless
I always wondered how often are cars inspected and maintained. Like are do they have maintenance records and schedules like the locomotives do or are they just ran and hope for the best. I think of my car trailer. When i used to use it regularly every few trips i would inspect it, jack it up check the wheel bearings, lights, etc
Carman are suppose to inspect railcars before they leave the terminal, however carman are most times rushed to get the inspection done get the hoses laced and brake test done. In reality this is a super time consuming task but carriers care about one thing, money. I bet a lot of carman on this channel have been told not to bad order a car many times due to how long it takes to switch out a car due to the length of trains and what’s all involved with getting a bad order railcar out.
There needs to be somebody in a caboose or rear helper watching. Maybe should be a requirement on trains over a set length or what the train is carrying.
In the old days Railroads had 6 or 7 man crews on the Trains . Remember when Railroads had Caboose's?
I was fortunate enough to ride on a few of them.. it was like a time capsule. I had an old head conductor tell me how they use to ride in the back and how things worked with 6-7 man crews. Amazing
@@Railroad_Talk He is was right.
@@Railroad_Talk Rock Island Railroad was a mighty fine line to work for. I remember listening to interviews with former Rock Island employees they said it was great company , with great employees, great Bosses, and they said that the Rockisland had great unions . The Railroad treated them like family and was great place to build seniority too. In 1975 it went bankrupt because of a failed merger with Union Pacific and in 1980 a federal Judge ordered the The Rock Island to shut down and creditors begin liquidation of the Railroad. The Employees were sad to see their Railroad go.
@@Joel-sy4ho I have never found an employer who treated their employees like family. I have worked for some pretty large corporations and even some smaller ones. Money has grabbed ahold of these guys I guess. I enjoy where I am now. The bosses have treated me right, not like family but with respect which I respect a lot. The like “family” i hope will come after I spend a few more years here. Appreciate you sharing your experiences. I can sit and listen all day. I was given the option towards the end of my training on where I wanted to work, I choose the local that had the old head I was referring to his name was Steve Southern. One of the coolest and greatest guys I ever had the pleasure of working with. Stories for days about how he use to hang off the railcar and grab the track warrants at the depot. Crazy how quickly things have changed out there on the rails.
@@Railroad_Talk You would have loved the Rock Island and the Cotton Belt.
I don't know all of the specifics, but I heard the actual wheel caught fire.
did you see the security cam video of this train 20 miles from East Palastine . The wheels were on fire on a covered hopper as it went bye the cam, so it looks like a defect with the hot box detector or the crew did not pick up the hot box recording. This train should of been stopped miles from where it derailed in east Palastine
well the train went across a defect dector and put the train in emergency brake application but it was to late because of a over heated journal bearing.
never heard wayside detectors being able to put a train into a penalty brake application... they can do that now?
@25mfd the train crew tried to do so after the defect detector sounded a alarm.
@@frankjanvari737 yea that's all they could do... the detector pops you and all you can do is cross your fingers that you can stop BEFORE it all falls apart
Wow, can’t believe my assumption was correct 🤣. I have seen one first hand screaming hot and it doesn’t take much to catch the brake shoes, the oil from the greasers, you also have plastic bushings that keep the brake rigging from hitting metal to metal (forgot the correct term, been years since I was a carman) a lot of stuff that can catch fire near those wheels.
From seeing ring camera footage about 15 minutes before the derailment it looked like a barely was melted
I live about 10 minutes from this event. Most people are concerned about the long term effects of this vinyl chloride. We're not buying that after all this We're just safe now.
I would be concerned also, I’m glad there have been no reports of anyone hurt at least to my knowledge.
@railroad talk do you stay in hampton roads? i stay in virginia beach. Only asking cause of the 13 news now video thats our local
Hey Ranger! No I was just using to clip for educational purposes only. It was on their TH-cam channel.
@Railroad Talk cool buddy. Just came across your channel and subscribed. Alot of good information 👌 I'm considering getting out of HVAC and entering the railroad doing Conducting. Would it be even possible for me to have my dog if I did this job? I don't have any kids I'm single guy. The traveling and seeing/doing different things everyday seems like a great fit for me. I would not give my dog back to the shelter but if need be I have family who would watch him.
@@BongLogic757 I am not sure about other carriers but I know NS does not allow pets but I am not 100% on the other carriers. Never hurts to ask if you decide to go that route lol. Thanks for the support man!
Every railroad is currently trying to cut cost and it makes me sick. UP cant even get lease locomotives from GE anymore because they run the damn things to the dirt and dont maintain them so yea why would we lease you something you are gonna destroy. This same mentality trickles down to the cars and other equipment as well, sending cars out on trains with moon crater sized flat spots, paper thin flanges, shit bearings that havent been serviced for who knows how long, and old ass rusted knuckles that are gonna break when you set an eot on them(i know they wont really break from an eot its just a joke but you get the idea) of course something like this is bound to happen again and again. I get it not every car can be serviced on time but damn atleast make an attempt to service the equipment with our lives being on the line. Literally last night "hey this unit goes dead at midnight tonight", "itll be ok just run it and itll get serviced at the next destination".....LIES AS FUCK because its gonna get put on the next train as a dead bad unit and each maintenance facility is gonna play ping pong with it because nobody wants to fix it! And coincidentally the 4th unit in the same consist was dead bad because it blew up the crank case, see the trend here. But hey im just a nobody like the rest of us that are threatening to get kicked out the cab so what do i know lol.
This and Lac-Megantic need to come up more often in further hearings.
Lac-Megantic insured that canada will never have 1 man crews and had major impacts on CROR. I think the response to lac was sufficient. But American rail is still pretty far behind, then again NS alone is just as big finically as CN
@@Nordkampf regardless of country boundaries; the fact that it happened with a 1 man crew with POORLY maintained locomitives should be conversation enough
they said that it was was a hotbox on one of the cars. it went into emergency then it derailed
No shit!!! WTF took so long? Either be with the brotherhood or stay on the sidelines!!!
I live within 35mi of this derailment and I know one family who had to evacuate. I hope there won't be much residual contamination.
I hope so also, super glad to hear nobody was hurt. This could have been a lot worse.
Today's Railroads are nothing like the Railroads of the 1940's. I hate that Railroads don't care about the safety of their employees. A one man Crew is a sign of greed , lust for money, and very Dangerous!
hey dude i have a big question and it involves getting a job at the railroad
Okay, ask away I’ll do my best
@@Railroad_Talk how do you become one. like do you have to take a collage class or take another class or something.
@@columbusrailfanner2179 High school diploma, or GED, drivers license, pass a drug test, reliable transportation and no serious criminal history.
@@Railroad_Talk have you ever been in a heritage unit and if you have what was it
I thought the fra was trying to pass a law of minimum two men crew
Patiently waiting for that to happen
conductors saves lives. That's some spin. Did the conductor execute the correct switch-?? if you cause a problem of course you should have remedy.. the conductor caused a gd problem is what you mean...
You’re ignorant. I’d suggest you do more research. Or perhaps watch the damn video. Jesus Christ
@@Railroad_Talk you're ignorant.. do you know how it occurs or you're just spitting hot shit? showing responsibility isn't saving lives ..
Only in Ohio
I agree with you Joey 100% we need to kept two person crew just in case like this derailment in Ohio happen two days ago, So that the people who live in these small town could get out safety it could be alot worse if we have a 1 person crew, I just wish class 1 railroad companies would quit this non-sense with this 1 person crew so they can save money which is ridiculous, Because should be #1 priority.
I hope this bankrupts NS.
i wouldn't hope for that... enough good NS folks have already been victims of PSR... no need for more decent folks to lose their job just because of a derailment.
If the unions haven’t spoke on this in the hearings they definitely should and if they have this should be more reason for the FRA to mandate 2 man crews- just wonder if it will happen. Lives are at stake
If the unions haven’t spoke on this in the hearings they definitely should and if they have this should be more reason for the FRA to mandate 2 man crews- just wonder if it will happen. Lives are at stake
If the unions haven’t spoke on this in the hearings they definitely should and if they have this should be more reason for the FRA to mandate 2 man crews- just wonder if it will happen. Lives are at stake