The assassination of Sean from 2nd Impact to Third Strike will never stop being tragic. If they wanted him to be a joke character then they should have given him some goofy animations, like KoF's Shingo. Instead they just made him suck, abandoned him for two decades, gave his unique tackle move to Luke, and replaced him with a generic World Tour avatar in SF6.
sadly they kinda did in sf3, he's intro can have him accidentally drop his ball, it's even more tragic when you realize he could've been in sf5 but they replaced his ass with luke, removed his own flare n shit from him & it basically being before/during 3 implies he basically "had" em first, i wouldn't mind luke being the face of sf6, but htf is gulie's student a shoto? he should've been like gulie to be honest (his sand blast should've been a charge & "his" tackle could've been and anti-air & to be even more honest, half of sf6 is just the replacement of sf3, but i still have hope for the 3rd strike cast, they just need there own glow up & new moves!
I find it funny that almost everyone between bottom tier and S tier are like "they have this special move that's pretty good, and this one as well" and then the godtiers are "broken normals, broken super." I have to remind myself every so often that Chun DOES still have Spinning Bird Kick in this game, as well as her axe kick.
SF has always been dogshit at character appeal. Why is Manon so fugly? Who asked for Marisa? Who even likes Luke? Oh look its fucking Akuma again. How boring
A small thing you didn't mention about Akuma that makes him good is his 2nd Super that he always has access to, often dubbed "KKZ" by the community. The first hit of the Super is not parryable, so you can cheese a bit by chipping out low health opponents after a knockdown. What makes this move even better though is that characters can't block in the air. So a common strat for high Akuma damage is to end a combo with Tatsu, then do a jab and input KKZ. The opponent will recover, but since they can't block/parry the 1st hit of the Super, it effectively becomes an unblockable reset.
@@christinhell edit: it's so over, i'm offically a loser! 😭 (this gon be long, forgive me) or just like akuma & ed, get improved versions of his moves, lukes tackle is a tackle/over head, sean's isn't, it's basically a command like grab, his ryubi (i think) is the overhead, just give his hadoken motions like akuma's hadouken, but a chargable tackle, his kicking hadoken motions should be the over head move, which can now (idk) kick back projectiles if not close enough to land but close enough for the opponent to like projectile (like urien's aegis) his tatsu can be kinda the same but it's overdrive is like ken's & if done again can be put into a grab like luke's (if he stole sean's moves why not let sean snatch a couple right?), but give him a tatsu punch input which gives him something like ryu's move (actually laura's) but more projectile like (forgot the name of it sorry & i mostly mean lauras) but depending on the button (lp, mp, hp) it changes the speed of it & strength of it, fr fr i like his 3rd strike & old dp animations so make his non over drive dps like lukes but the slam dunk doesn't need overdrive, but for overdrive give him the 2 fisted dp, which does hella damage but to balance it / nerf it he loses more drive gauge than luke does for his overdrive dp (to keep in the theme of him still being kinda inexperienced), make his supers better too, like hado burst can behave/act like akumas but with a bit extra & charge able like ryu's sf6 sa2 (or denjin hadoken in sf3), he can launch from the ground regular (ryu / normal hadouken style), or in the air (like akumas) but if another input is put in, he can also slam dunk it on making the other player's character bounce & can be tatsu into anti-air or level 2'd, another feature (ik this all kinda hard to read apologizes) give his hado burst an toss up (i mean let him shoot it from the ground while aiming it up in the air) to stop someone from jumping over it or to prevent (let's say juri or cammy mains from doing their air combo moves) his level 2 should honestly be hyper tornado, ik it was his sa3 in 3rd strike but, it'd be fitting for ken's student yeah?, depending on the drive gauge level of the opponent it can drain health (basically if full drive gauge, it drains drive gauge only or or if none, eats the crap out of health) and if you're fighting jamie or manon (it can remove their buffs completely making them work for it again.) and his lvl3/ca3 could/can be shoryucannon, it looks like ken's but without fire (maybe electricity (to fit laura/blanka & make it yellow) or air/tornadoy? (kinda like rashids lvl3 but shoryukenish?) mostly kinda leaning towards electricity but both are good, but basically ken's (ca with the slam dunk/"sit down & shut up".) but no fire either what i said above, for ca3 or just ca, it's like ken's again (but the first 2 are normal, leading the 3rd one to be electrical, but when he launches them up he leaps into the air above the opponent, then spins raoidly towards them like blanka, grab them & smack around the walls/screen like a pinball machine, and it leads to sean & the foe rolling together on the into sean having the foe put into a head lock. (basically combines ken's sf6 sa/ca3 animation, with ryu electricity aesthetic, with laura homage, or if that sounds too wacky or too bittersweet (basically apologizing if i'm making it sound like sean would replace laura when both can 100% be in game.) instead he still leaps into the air & holds his hands up in the air making a big hado ball (basically goku's spirit bomb) & slams it on the foe like goku would with him landing like ken paying a kinda mixed homage to oro & ken (basically took inspiration from oro, but i knew it kinda sounds like a spirit bomb, cause i was basically writing & thinking as i went on & wanted to answer a hypothetical question of "okay cool, how or why can sean be good now & what will his lore be in sf6", since i'm on the topic now, i'll shorten it cause this mf too long anyway, gullies arcade story but it means much more lore to ken & his family, explains wth he was doing after his 3rd strike ending, being trained by oro & maybe gouken, then sent to find his og master after learning of everything, he fights other sf6 or future sf6 characters yadda yadda, when he reaches ken, they have a talk, ken pushing sean away, sean getting pissed exclaiming he's not the same kid, but ken kinda mockingly reminds him he lost to a nobody in his first ever tournament, which leads to a battle, sean wins, ken being shaken up but impressed has a calming almost fatherly chat with sean, which has ken kinda admitting he failed sean as a mentor & feels bad for trying to repeatedly push him away, sean comforts his mentor & make amends, ken asks sean if he could idk train mel? it'd be a cool way to fight against mel in wt & find sean either near the masters building or outlaw's court, with mel fighting like og 3rd strike sean but his dp is a blue flaming versions of his dads... idk, sorry for wtf this is, i'm ready to be clowned on! )
Alex is my favourite street fighter character of all time, high risk high reward. I feel like he has so many different moves that people just forget he has all of these weird ass mix ups. Stomp, jump dive into grab, crouch heavy into knee drop EX in the corner. Also ddt catches so many people off guard.
Another thing about Chun-Li's Super art II, it also is a really good punish tool! The fact that you can get punished for just about anything that isn't blocking when she has meter is stupid terrifying
Chun's super is also kinda fucked up because the camera follows her opponent when they get launched, meaning she can prepare off-screen mixups for when they land.
Arcadia 2009 Tier list Arcadia tier list- S+ - Chun-Li S - Yun A+ - Ken, Dudley A - Makoto, Yang A- - Urien, Akuma, Ryu, Oro B+ - Hugo B - Elena, Ibuki, Alex C - Necro, Twelve, Remy, Q D - Sean
I do think that Q is a little underrated because he isn't good in the traditional sense outside of his supers which are quality supers. He's about as good as Elena imo due to his high hp, throw bug (crouch to standing or standing to crouching (I forget the specifics) puts his throw box in the air), good strike throw with the longest reaching command grab in the game that leads to a combo + defense boosting taunt, some high/low from mid screen with rush punch overheads and lows, and his presence from full screen with his defense taunt (even Chun Li players are scared of this before they build super) and the universal parry. He just has too much damage, a great taunt, and many mediocre tools that cover his weaknesses to an extent to be low tier.
Denjin Hadoken is good, but it can struggle against characters with high stun. Dudley I've seen has been a problem character for Ryu players because he takes just a bit more to stun so he doesn't really fear the Denjin mixup as much as others, and if he doesn't get stunned then he gets to punish Ryu on hit if he's close. I think in those matchups, Ryu should be using SA1 for the EX donkey kick and hit confirm into super.
Dont forget that hugos has an invisible timer counting down 30 frames over and over. When it runs out, it dumps all inputs related to SPD and so about 5 to 30% of the time depending on how fast you do the input, it will run out and make your spd input drop!
@@ryler7 yes. An invisible timer determines if the move will be registered or not. You can do a fast 4 frame spd and if the timer ran out during that window, tough luck. No spd. Its actually a pretty huge deal. Check out demonstrations on youtube.
@@ryler7 I dropped him because of this. Whiffed spd can swing matches (and also because hes not good, and because geneijin is giga degenerate and unfun to fight)
Didnt mean to watch the whole thing in one go but once started I just couldnt turn it off! You have a really good presentation style. I get destroyed with Alex but I still love playing him. But maybe for my own sanity I'll invest in one of these high tier chars.
It would be funny if now that there’s so many new players playing 3rd strike because of Evo. That the meta was shifted and new top tiers were discovered.
I think people give a lot more respect to Ryu and Dudley as of late. Yomoda and Kuni both narrowly missed Top 6 winners at EVO JP and on the NA side Exodus won jazzy circuit and Bubbles won combo breaker.
A jumping Ibuki is hard for Chun to stop. Her air chains and hops over throw attempts and her air kunai and faking the kunai and her mixups in general, IF done well, are hard for most characters to handle.
I dislike the SF goofy characters immensely except Dan and Rolento, but I dislike the SF3 ones more than 4s (Rufus, Hugo, El Fuerte, Hakan) and 5s (Abigail, Fat Birdie, FANG, to a lesser extent G). In this, Necro, Hugo, 12, Oro, and to a lesser extent Q are just no thanks. And Remy looks like a KOF character - waltzed into the wrong game.
Alex reasoning could be improved. No big damage off of lows, has command grab to compensate but it’s really not rewarding. Only lp version gives you oki. His other moves are reactable in a lot of cases. His combos are ok, even though he doesn’t have many. Ex move Enders do great damage and corner carry. And the super sa2 is alright, just don’t use it from long range. It’s obvious the range not to use it from. Cr Lk x 2 doesn’t work, just one lk. He has a harder confirm with cl mk and an easier one with any elbow or a jump in
Alex's big issue is that he doesn't have anything substantial about his kit. All of it is subpar or has problems/is inconsistent. He also doesn't make good use of meter in general. He has one really good EX move, but all of his Supers are bad, hard to link and are reactable.
@@leithaziz2716 he has simple dice roll gameplay, if you guess right on offence his high stun damage can kill you so fast though! No safe pressure iron clad strategy gameplay model, he’s for Spartan players lol. I love it. His long range normals are good for zoning though.
I dont know that much about 3S, but im wondering what the thought process is for putting Remi, a character that is almost never seen, in the same tier as Q, a difficult character with actual stenghts that we've seen do work at times. Maybe its my misconception and im missing something but im curious nonetheless.
3S is very bad balance wise. That said the parry system can throw everything in the mix. Ofcourse a player who picks a top tier & is ''on the zone'' with parries washes the competition.
I've been an unapologetic Hugo main for well over a decade now. There's no way i could do better with any of the top tier characters. He's the most fun Grappler of any SF game imo. I love that slap catching short characters right in the face.
You forgot to talk about a lot of Remy tools that (in my opinion) make him a playable character as well as Hugo - His HK kara throw that's nearly a teleport - His fast dashs - Corner combos - LOV gatling - 1 frame super - good anti-air (- His animation when he removes his jacket)
limited antiairs and low health, low damage, no real "checkmate" situations like other top tiers can enforce. He has to win neutral many times to take a round, Chun or Yun have to win it twice. On most lists he's generally around 6th best with Dudley
Elena has janky hitboxes. You have to study her moves in the lab to understand what actually punishes. Then again 3rd Strike is all over the place with the balance.
So, you mention towards the end of the video that Yun and Chun go pretty even. However, I've heard many people claim that Yun actually beats Chun pretty consistently, and I've also seen this represented in match-up charts for all the characters. I used to consider Chun the best character in 3s, but my friend once made a pretty compelling argument that Yun is, in fact, the #1 because of this one deciding factor. Yun beats Chun, and he beats everyone else. Chun loses to Yun, but she obliterates the rest of the cast even harder. According to a global match-up chart, Chun would appear to be the better pick. However, Yun winning against the most difficult match-up in the game (Chun) is a pretty compelling argument for him being the true #1. Many people would argue that (Yun) having universally good match-ups is more important than (Chun) being especially dominant in a handful of match-ups. In short, the argument goes: Yun has no losing match-ups, while Chun has one losing match-up (Yun). Therefore, Yun is the #1 character.
It's the opposite in high level play, if anything Chun beats Yun or it's an even matchup at best. She counters dive kicks really well, has good anti-GJ options (cr jab, kara throws), wins the neutral game, she can punish GJ activation from 2/3s of the screen with super. Yun also has relatively weak defense/hp which is a problem against Chun. The great advantage that Yun has over other chars is that he's the only one who can force her to be active because GJ charges up so quickly. But she can afford more mistakes than he can and as soon as she gets super the risk/reward ratio becomes too messy to try to pressure without GJ. They're both broken. That said, no one else fights her better than Yun which is why she's the best character in the game.
@@letsblocking Agreed. Yun does well but overal Chun is better and at least even or even plus vs Yun. The only characters that beats everyone is Gill. But he's not legal.
@@letsblocking Okay, it's only one tournament but why did Yun dominate Evo 2024 Japan if what you say is true? Is Evo 2024 Japan not high level because 3rd strike has been out of the competitive loop for a while? Anyways, lets see what happens in Evo 2024 America and other future tournaments.
Yeah, I agree it's a bit of a toss up. I think Chun Li might be a bit more straightforward or easier to play, with good normals, a nice damage and flexible super. Maybe a safer bet, with the reliability of the normals- that seem to usually lead to a super with meter. Obviously at high level, it's not so easy to play Chun against other masters. I think she has good fundamentals which make her strong.
Alex's main issue is that he's a light grap character with one good grab, so he has really mid specials in comparison to the shotos (because they're supposed to get him into a grab) so he has to work really hard and burn resources for the same results. He also has really mid supers with little stun threat. Meanwhile Chun Li is a light and fast character with great frame data, a microscopic hitbox and incredible damage with the second best super in the game and a HUGE stun bar.
There is no character in any fighting game that gets downplayed as much as 3S Chun Li. She's a perfectly complete top tier right out of the box. No genei jin, no command grab, no aegis, no air fireball, and no execution is needed. The moment Chun is on screen, she's winning and the opponent is tense just because of basic old speed and range. Chun players see genei jin and immediately intuitively understand how strong it is, then question how anything could be better than it. In reality, Chun is permanently in the neutral game equivalent to genei jin lmao
I see Hugo shifting tiers a lot in tier lists, also first time I’ve seen Ryu that high You argue it’s SA3, well I would like to argue that red parry also helps Hugo a lot and is universal which could make him a higher tier, though the strengths of each mechanic and character depends on who’s using them
Chun Li's super is a win button. One of the most damaging, has two stocks, easy input, follow-up combo, whiff punishes from damn near full screen. The list goes on.
as an ultra beginner i've been watching a fair amount of your 3rd strike videos to get familiar with what's what. they've been very helpful! been having the most fun with Elena at the moment
26:54 - I remember when I saw makoto for the very first time in 99. I was a shoto player so the fact her walk was SUPER slow and she didn't have a fireball or DP...phhh what a shitty character. Then I saw the J video where he played Kokujin and double perfected him and was like "... what?!" then I saw the video, I think one of the OG ones, where ppl in Japan started the "EY EY EYYYYY!" thing. I thought it was the coolest thing I've ever seen. Since that day I'm the worst longest playing makoto on the planet but holy shit is she fun 😂
Can you do a video for beginners on how to get into Third Strike? I notice you have some cool training version of the game and I know you can play it on FightCade but I don't know where to begin.
Maybe 3s has changes aince i used to watch regularly but dont most people use sa1 instead if denjin? His ex moves hit like a truck and they dont need setup like denjin does. Also since you wont have meter post denjin stun its not a guaranteed kill after.
But for me this makes the characters thay have it very annoying to fight, also because the of the lack of anti zoning tools outside of parrying(Except Remy, Urien or Oro, incredibly I never or rarely saw them using them)
I think a bit less than half of the cast have at least a small projectile (granted, Chun-li's or Oro for example is a very minor part of their movelist). It's just that with the parry, spamming fireball isn't a good idea.
@@MegafanX123Because they’re low-key kind of ass if that’s what you consider an anti-zoning tool, realistically who’s using CBK, chicken kicks or knee drops to punish fireballs?
@@MegafanX123 alex stomp, dudley duck, yang rollkick, 12 airdashes, akuma tp / demon flip, sean roll, ibuki hien and kubiori, hugo's claps eat fireballs while letting him get meter. There are more characters with answers to fireballs than without.
Could someone explain how health works in this game? It says everyone has 160 on the display. I know Q's taunt gives him defense and that pops up but I've also seen people say online that taunting gives health so I've always been confused.
Defense is a modifier that relates to how much damage you take when getting hit. So, higher defense=less damage taken from hits=more hits you can theoretically take, which is effectively more health if you wanna think about it that way. A lot of fighting games calculate damage/health this way. Like Strive does, for example.
@@jakesimpson3373 thanks! I never understood why some people referred to it as a health increase cause that's where the confusion came from. I thought I'd like see his health bar increase or he'd appear to heal if you used it at lower health back in the day lol
while technically that 160 bar is the same for everyone, all chars have a defensive modifier that changes the amount of damage you take. so, q doesn't really get more health, his defensive modifier is raised and the amount of damage he receives is lessened after each taunt ontop of that, 3s also has 'guts' values like guilty gear; when your health is lower, the amount of damage you take is reduced by an additional modifier. so, a combo while your health is full will do more damage than the *same combo* while your health is low. 'guts' modifiers are set per character
Makoto is my favorite, but I can't figure out how to convert from command throw + back and SP to super. Even if I do it extremely fast it just doesn't work.
Noob question: what sf3rd version is that? with training mode, frame data etc? I have mame and sf collection on steam but no option to turn on this hud...maybe fightcade+some script/mod? Thx
I haven't played as Yun much but I am a big fan of Yang once I learned how to play as him in the SF Collection I was mopping up. Seems like Yang has cooler moves. Still gotta beat it with Yun!
hf does have a fightcade training mode as well, though not as great as third strike's. supercombo is the wiki for street fighter games where you can find almost all framedata listed
As with all fighting games there is a bit of a skill tilt to some of the tier placements. Makoto isn't very good in unskilled hands. Yun is... fine, but again you need to be good to demonstrate the reasons he is top tier at top level. Chun on the other hand, she's top tier from beginner to pro no problem.
Sean vs Twelve for last place, I am just gonna say it's like Twelve who's the worst. I've seen Alex Valle do some pretty cool things with Twelve but his damage output is just so baaaaad. Def gotta check out this match. Def shows potential for damage, mix-up, and shenanigans' th-cam.com/video/zG31SlWAYlE/w-d-xo.html
If you can try and find old videos of Kuroda (guy pretty much mastered the game way back when) had some crazy combos *Also won a tournament using only random.*
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akuma is the trongest in 3rd strike
@@ektran4205no lol
Damn no mention of Ryu's shin shoryuken ? That thing literally sucks opponents in and makes massive damage. He should've been S-Tier
Chun and Yun exist in this game and destroy basically everybody.
he's called twelve because he dozen do damage
So original
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The assassination of Sean from 2nd Impact to Third Strike will never stop being tragic. If they wanted him to be a joke character then they should have given him some goofy animations, like KoF's Shingo. Instead they just made him suck, abandoned him for two decades, gave his unique tackle move to Luke, and replaced him with a generic World Tour avatar in SF6.
sadly they kinda did in sf3, he's intro can have him accidentally drop his ball, it's even more tragic when you realize he could've been in sf5 but they replaced his ass with luke, removed his own flare n shit from him & it basically being before/during 3 implies he basically "had" em first, i wouldn't mind luke being the face of sf6, but htf is gulie's student a shoto? he should've been like gulie to be honest (his sand blast should've been a charge & "his" tackle could've been and anti-air & to be even more honest, half of sf6 is just the replacement of sf3, but i still have hope for the 3rd strike cast, they just need there own glow up & new moves!
his dragon punch is so goofy
Lmaoooooo😂
@@simonb.8868dude, he alley oops you into a slam dunk, how is that goofy???
@@BigDaddyKnez a dragon punch with 2 punches isn't goofy, OK. That's fighting not basketball
27:03 The absolute persuasion in this man’s voice
I will take a look at this, mr crofts
Hahaha
So true
I find it funny that almost everyone between bottom tier and S tier are like "they have this special move that's pretty good, and this one as well" and then the godtiers are "broken normals, broken super." I have to remind myself every so often that Chun DOES still have Spinning Bird Kick in this game, as well as her axe kick.
It was so weird the first time I saw a 3S guide and chun, top2 in the game btw, had "Her specials range from bad to just ok, only EX SBK has use" lmao
24:20 "He doesn't play footsies that well"
He's a boxer.
I'll never forgive SF for turning Sean into a joke character and creating new shotos instead of bringing him back
The Uber nerf. He was too dang good in 2nd impact 😭
@@Kwisatz-Chaderach smh meanwhile Akuma and Chun Li have been top tier in almost every game
SF has always been dogshit at character appeal. Why is Manon so fugly? Who asked for Marisa? Who even likes Luke? Oh look its fucking Akuma again. How boring
Agreed
@@NoGloveNoLove32problem?
Remmy looks so cool, he reminds me of an SNK character. Q also deserves to come back, they need some serious redemption
bro he just looks like an SNK character you ain't gotta shoot him up like that
He looks like a knock off Iorio
Q came back as G in SFV
The irony of calling Q a scrub killer, then getting 0-10 against Q.
Oof!
A small thing you didn't mention about Akuma that makes him good is his 2nd Super that he always has access to, often dubbed "KKZ" by the community.
The first hit of the Super is not parryable, so you can cheese a bit by chipping out low health opponents after a knockdown. What makes this move even better though is that characters can't block in the air. So a common strat for high Akuma damage is to end a combo with Tatsu, then do a jab and input KKZ. The opponent will recover, but since they can't block/parry the 1st hit of the Super, it effectively becomes an unblockable reset.
It's a tool he has, but it isn't what makes him good. You almost never see high level players use it. I seen kara-demon probably 30x more often.
It’s super slow though
Reminds me of how timestop typically goes in fighting games where you just get a second combo if you land a hkd
Seans basketball is S tier, it can stop supers no bullshit
Lol
Not all of them
About half
@@costilla1212 it's so fun to see happen, the other day it stopped and saved me from Akuma's SA1 😂
The Ballin Shoto.
@@leithaziz2716 ball is life
hugo is scary af he looks like leatherface without the mask
Unfortunately I don’t think Sean will come back in SF6. Luke actually has quite a few of his normals. Unless he gets reworked.
He's gonna get Laura's moves
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edit: it's so over, i'm offically a loser! 😭
(this gon be long, forgive me) or just like akuma & ed, get improved versions of his moves, lukes tackle is a tackle/over head, sean's isn't, it's basically a command like grab, his ryubi (i think)
is the overhead, just give his hadoken motions like akuma's hadouken, but a chargable tackle, his kicking hadoken motions should be the over head move, which can now (idk) kick back projectiles if not close enough to land but close enough for the opponent to like projectile (like urien's aegis) his tatsu can be kinda the same but it's overdrive is like ken's & if done again can be put into a grab like luke's (if he stole sean's moves why not let sean snatch a couple right?), but give him a tatsu punch input which gives him something like ryu's move (actually laura's) but more projectile like (forgot the name of it sorry & i mostly mean lauras) but depending on the button (lp, mp, hp) it changes the speed of it & strength of it, fr fr i like his 3rd strike & old dp animations so make his non over drive dps like lukes but the slam dunk doesn't need overdrive, but for overdrive give him the 2 fisted dp, which does hella damage but to balance it / nerf it he loses more drive gauge than luke does for his overdrive dp (to keep in the theme of him still being kinda inexperienced), make his supers better too, like hado burst can behave/act like akumas but with a bit extra & charge able like ryu's sf6 sa2 (or denjin hadoken in sf3), he can launch from the ground regular (ryu / normal hadouken style), or in the air (like akumas) but if another input is put in, he can also slam dunk it on making the other player's character bounce & can be tatsu into anti-air or level 2'd, another feature (ik this all kinda hard to read apologizes) give his hado burst an toss up (i mean let him shoot it from the ground while aiming it up in the air) to stop someone from jumping over it or to prevent (let's say juri or cammy mains from doing their air combo moves) his level 2 should honestly be hyper tornado, ik it was his sa3 in 3rd strike but, it'd be fitting for ken's student yeah?, depending on the drive gauge level of the opponent it can drain health (basically if full drive gauge, it drains drive gauge only or or if none, eats the crap out of health) and if you're fighting jamie or manon (it can remove their buffs completely making them work for it again.) and his lvl3/ca3 could/can be shoryucannon, it looks like ken's but without fire (maybe electricity (to fit laura/blanka & make it yellow) or air/tornadoy? (kinda like rashids lvl3 but shoryukenish?) mostly kinda leaning towards electricity but both are good, but basically ken's (ca with the slam dunk/"sit down & shut up".) but no fire either what i said above, for ca3 or just ca, it's like ken's again (but the first 2 are normal, leading the 3rd one to be electrical, but when he launches them up he leaps into the air above the opponent, then spins raoidly towards them like blanka, grab them & smack around the walls/screen like a pinball machine, and it leads to sean & the foe rolling together on the into sean having the foe put into a head lock. (basically combines ken's sf6 sa/ca3 animation, with ryu electricity aesthetic, with laura homage, or if that sounds too wacky or too bittersweet (basically apologizing if i'm making it sound like sean would replace laura when both can 100% be in game.) instead he still leaps into the air & holds his hands up in the air making a big hado ball (basically goku's spirit bomb) & slams it on the foe like goku would with him landing like ken paying a kinda mixed homage to oro & ken (basically took inspiration from oro, but i knew it kinda sounds like a spirit bomb, cause i was basically writing & thinking as i went on & wanted to answer a hypothetical question of "okay cool, how or why can sean be good now & what will his lore be in sf6", since i'm on the topic now, i'll shorten it cause this mf too long anyway, gullies arcade story but it means much more lore to ken & his family, explains wth he was doing after his 3rd strike ending, being trained by oro & maybe gouken, then sent to find his og master after learning of everything, he fights other sf6 or future sf6 characters yadda yadda, when he reaches ken, they have a talk, ken pushing sean away, sean getting pissed exclaiming he's not the same kid, but ken kinda mockingly reminds him he lost to a nobody in his first ever tournament, which leads to a battle, sean wins, ken being shaken up but impressed has a calming almost fatherly chat with sean, which has ken kinda admitting he failed sean as a mentor & feels bad for trying to repeatedly push him away, sean comforts his mentor & make amends, ken asks sean if he could idk train mel? it'd be a cool way to fight against mel in wt & find sean either near the masters building or outlaw's court, with mel fighting like og 3rd strike sean but his dp is a blue flaming versions of his dads... idk, sorry for wtf this is, i'm ready to be clowned on! )
@@Mr.Anonymous342
I think you like Sean.
I think.
@@Mr.Anonymous342 Sean meat rider (I'm a Sean meat rider too)
@@Kara-de5cz no no i swear i like other sf3 characters too, bring back necro & my french edgelord!
C. Viper is what they were trying to do with Twelve. Air dash attacks and ground pound abilities.
I'd never thought of it that way, that's a good analogy!
And she has good instant air mixups too, they can even crossup.
Alex is my favourite street fighter character of all time, high risk high reward. I feel like he has so many different moves that people just forget he has all of these weird ass mix ups. Stomp, jump dive into grab, crouch heavy into knee drop EX in the corner. Also ddt catches so many people off guard.
Im really disappointed that Capcom treated Sean like another Dan with those new trash moves, even tho his 2nd impact dp was already the best
they even gave it to luke. sf6 is just "3rd strike 2.0"
If Necro isn't in top tier I will riot
For real. He's been slept on for too long and I've made it my mission to spread the good word of his high tier status
As a Necro Main, ill break your shins.
lmaooooo
@@BackOff_xd u can't
@@dalcomaroni9837 The Lot Of You.
Chun is the best all rounder but Yun can bully her like no other in the cast
Yeah being the only character with (permanent) V-ism combos will let you do that
Imagine Sean being decent, then trash, and then Luke shows with a large majority of his moves set and be really good...who knew lol?
They did intentionally gut him in third strike tbf
He was top tier in second impact
See above lol he was actually really good in 2I
i mean yeah, sean in 3s is an intentionally bad shoto and luke in sf5 and 6 is an intentionally good shoto, not that surprising
Sean was never a damn joke and honestly it's kind of fucked up that they stole a lot of his moves for Luke.
Meanwhile Yun and Yang litteraly got replaced by their fanboy ☠️
Another thing about Chun-Li's Super art II, it also is a really good punish tool! The fact that you can get punished for just about anything that isn't blocking when she has meter is stupid terrifying
Sakura and Sean should've been the new Ryu and Ken instead of Luke and Jamie
Holy Based!
However I don’t mind Luke & Jamie, no reason why we can’t have both rivalries
Too much of shotos.
Just watched Hayao highlights from EVO 2024. Really funny hearing him talk about his standing fierce afterwards.
Maxamillion felt a disturbance in the force when you placed Q in the D tier
Q is definitely a lot higher
ong, Q is actually kinda busted. He's just slept on kinda
@@omegadragon9524 he didn't even mention the taunt
6:01 ?
@@omegadragon9524busted with his 2 cancellable normals (both mids) and no-mix-mix?
Chun's super is also kinda fucked up because the camera follows her opponent when they get launched, meaning she can prepare off-screen mixups for when they land.
Arcadia 2009 Tier list
Arcadia tier list-
S+ - Chun-Li
S - Yun
A+ - Ken, Dudley
A - Makoto, Yang
A- - Urien, Akuma, Ryu, Oro
B+ - Hugo
B - Elena, Ibuki, Alex
C - Necro, Twelve, Remy, Q
D - Sean
3S Ryu is my favourite iteration of his in the franchise no doubt
3S Ryu is awesome but I still have a fondness for 4 Ryu. Both are comeback machines.
Found it odd that JM didn't mention the Donkey Kick, giving Ryu the ability to keep being a zoning character much more reliably.
I do think that Q is a little underrated because he isn't good in the traditional sense outside of his supers which are quality supers. He's about as good as Elena imo due to his high hp, throw bug (crouch to standing or standing to crouching (I forget the specifics) puts his throw box in the air), good strike throw with the longest reaching command grab in the game that leads to a combo + defense boosting taunt, some high/low from mid screen with rush punch overheads and lows, and his presence from full screen with his defense taunt (even Chun Li players are scared of this before they build super) and the universal parry. He just has too much damage, a great taunt, and many mediocre tools that cover his weaknesses to an extent to be low tier.
Hugo has that Zangief Jab
HAMMER MOUNTAIN!
It would be cool to see Remmy in sf6
09:38 now say that to hayao
Fr. Also it can be used on Oki similar to chuns stand hk it beats throw. It js more of a knowledge check though
Denjin Hadoken is good, but it can struggle against characters with high stun. Dudley I've seen has been a problem character for Ryu players because he takes just a bit more to stun so he doesn't really fear the Denjin mixup as much as others, and if he doesn't get stunned then he gets to punish Ryu on hit if he's close. I think in those matchups, Ryu should be using SA1 for the EX donkey kick and hit confirm into super.
Agreed, SA1 is better against him
Dont forget that hugos has an invisible timer counting down 30 frames over and over. When it runs out, it dumps all inputs related to SPD
and so about 5 to 30% of the time depending on how fast you do the input, it will run out and make your spd input drop!
wait what??
@@ryler7 yes. An invisible timer determines if the move will be registered or not. You can do a fast 4 frame spd and if the timer ran out during that window, tough luck. No spd. Its actually a pretty huge deal. Check out demonstrations on youtube.
@@SuperLemonfish that's insane lol. I'll never look at hugo the same
@@ryler7 I dropped him because of this. Whiffed spd can swing matches
(and also because hes not good, and because geneijin is giga degenerate and unfun to fight)
@@SuperLemonfish dash gigas is still fun to do tho (even if I only get it once every hundred attempts)
Didnt mean to watch the whole thing in one go but once started I just couldnt turn it off! You have a really good presentation style. I get destroyed with Alex but I still love playing him. But maybe for my own sanity I'll invest in one of these high tier chars.
Typing this while the ad is playing because I like your channel and want to give you the engagement.
I know Alex isn't the greatest character, but I still love playing him.
Still can still oops someone really fast if you get a few good reads.
It's hard to make powerbombing not feel good.
"YOU CAN'T ESCAPE!"
@@leithaziz2716long death
@@leithaziz2716 or in his Michael Jackson voice in New generation
It would be funny if now that there’s so many new players playing 3rd strike because of Evo. That the meta was shifted and new top tiers were discovered.
I think people give a lot more respect to Ryu and Dudley as of late. Yomoda and Kuni both narrowly missed Top 6 winners at EVO JP and on the NA side Exodus won jazzy circuit and Bubbles won combo breaker.
Yang meta is gonna go crazy tbh
Making Luke when we had a perfectly good “next generation shoto” sitting on the bench.
That next generation shoto was from 1997
The one thing to note about Urien is charge partitioning and the 3 people in the world that can do it properly which makes him S tier.
Demonstrating ibukis weakness on chun is funny because as I've heard shes the only mid tier that actually goes even with her
A jumping Ibuki is hard for Chun to stop. Her air chains and hops over throw attempts and her air kunai and faking the kunai and her mixups in general, IF done well, are hard for most characters to handle.
We love to see a Ryu winning
#REAL!
This is definitely my favorite cast, soundtrack, and design of all the Street Fighter games.
Best part the sound track is in sf6
A cast without Honda is a cast not for me
I dislike the SF goofy characters immensely except Dan and Rolento, but I dislike the SF3 ones more than 4s (Rufus, Hugo, El Fuerte, Hakan) and 5s (Abigail, Fat Birdie, FANG, to a lesser extent G). In this, Necro, Hugo, 12, Oro, and to a lesser extent Q are just no thanks. And Remy looks like a KOF character - waltzed into the wrong game.
@@Aramanemad cus Q is a Chad and gets more action than you, and he's not a goofy character
@@diba9281 pffft I'm a gay man with abs during Pride - so, I doubt it.
Alex reasoning could be improved. No big damage off of lows, has command grab to compensate but it’s really not rewarding. Only lp version gives you oki. His other moves are reactable in a lot of cases. His combos are ok, even though he doesn’t have many. Ex move Enders do great damage and corner carry. And the super sa2 is alright, just don’t use it from long range. It’s obvious the range not to use it from. Cr Lk x 2 doesn’t work, just one lk. He has a harder confirm with cl mk and an easier one with any elbow or a jump in
Alex's big issue is that he doesn't have anything substantial about his kit. All of it is subpar or has problems/is inconsistent. He also doesn't make good use of meter in general. He has one really good EX move, but all of his Supers are bad, hard to link and are reactable.
@@leithaziz2716 he has simple dice roll gameplay, if you guess right on offence his high stun damage can kill you so fast though! No safe pressure iron clad strategy gameplay model, he’s for Spartan players lol. I love it. His long range normals are good for zoning though.
Alex is hulk hogan which means he’s on top brother
I dont know that much about 3S, but im wondering what the thought process is for putting Remi, a character that is almost never seen, in the same tier as Q, a difficult character with actual stenghts that we've seen do work at times. Maybe its my misconception and im missing something but im curious nonetheless.
Remy also has diehard specialists who perform well at tournaments. Check out footage of Pierrot
Nah, they're very different characters but they're about even on the tier list.
They're both in the same tier, the tier of "bad but has some great players in tournaments"
3S is very bad balance wise. That said the parry system can throw everything in the mix.
Ofcourse a player who picks a top tier & is ''on the zone'' with parries washes the competition.
I've been an unapologetic Hugo main for well over a decade now. There's no way i could do better with any of the top tier characters. He's the most fun Grappler of any SF game imo. I love that slap catching short characters right in the face.
24:56 -26:48
this is the closest to a Urine video yet
No mention to the full stun combo of makoto? Tominaga uses it all the time.
13:45 "Stand jab is +6" Why do i hear find your one way?
You forgot to talk about a lot of Remy tools that (in my opinion) make him a playable character as well as Hugo
- His HK kara throw that's nearly a teleport
- His fast dashs
- Corner combos
- LOV gatling
- 1 frame super
- good anti-air
(- His animation when he removes his jacket)
As a Remy player.... yeah, just... yeah.
TH-cam has been recommending your videos to me lately, and after watching the third random video of yours I am subscribing
Idk why but I have a Pocket Sean and I've been able to demolish a lot of top tiers at my locals.
However things get serious when I get Dudley out.
Kinda new to Third Strike, why is Yang not A+ tier? He feels like he should be higher I don’t really see a weakness in his game at all
limited antiairs and low health, low damage, no real "checkmate" situations like other top tiers can enforce. He has to win neutral many times to take a round, Chun or Yun have to win it twice.
On most lists he's generally around 6th best with Dudley
@@unibrawn Thank you I appreciate it
the timing of this vid is perfect coz i just recently got the 3oth anniversary bundle yesterday
Love this kind of content! Hope to see more for other games like Alpha 2!
Elena is the hardest character to play against. I can’t tell what to do against her.
Elena has janky hitboxes. You have to study her moves in the lab to understand what actually punishes.
Then again 3rd Strike is all over the place with the balance.
So, you mention towards the end of the video that Yun and Chun go pretty even. However, I've heard many people claim that Yun actually beats Chun pretty consistently, and I've also seen this represented in match-up charts for all the characters. I used to consider Chun the best character in 3s, but my friend once made a pretty compelling argument that Yun is, in fact, the #1 because of this one deciding factor.
Yun beats Chun, and he beats everyone else. Chun loses to Yun, but she obliterates the rest of the cast even harder. According to a global match-up chart, Chun would appear to be the better pick. However, Yun winning against the most difficult match-up in the game (Chun) is a pretty compelling argument for him being the true #1. Many people would argue that (Yun) having universally good match-ups is more important than (Chun) being especially dominant in a handful of match-ups.
In short, the argument goes: Yun has no losing match-ups, while Chun has one losing match-up (Yun). Therefore, Yun is the #1 character.
the troll response is Chun players are so carried they think they lose an even matchup ;)
@@jmcrofts ...I'd believe that too, lol.
It's the opposite in high level play, if anything Chun beats Yun or it's an even matchup at best.
She counters dive kicks really well, has good anti-GJ options (cr jab, kara throws), wins the neutral game, she can punish GJ activation from 2/3s of the screen with super. Yun also has relatively weak defense/hp which is a problem against Chun.
The great advantage that Yun has over other chars is that he's the only one who can force her to be active because GJ charges up so quickly. But she can afford more mistakes than he can and as soon as she gets super the risk/reward ratio becomes too messy to try to pressure without GJ.
They're both broken. That said, no one else fights her better than Yun which is why she's the best character in the game.
@@letsblocking Agreed. Yun does well but overal Chun is better and at least even or even plus vs Yun.
The only characters that beats everyone is Gill. But he's not legal.
@@letsblocking Okay, it's only one tournament but why did Yun dominate Evo 2024 Japan if what you say is true? Is Evo 2024 Japan not high level because 3rd strike has been out of the competitive loop for a while?
Anyways, lets see what happens in Evo 2024 America and other future tournaments.
Would love to see Jmcrofts try to use the secret special attacks that SF6 Akuma gets after taunting 😁
30:38 I appreciate you trying to be all mysterious but you can still see the characters in the timer thumbnails.
The Shotos would almost be absurdly strong in this game if not for the effectiveness of parrying.
Yeah, I agree it's a bit of a toss up. I think Chun Li might be a bit more straightforward or easier to play, with good normals, a nice damage and flexible super. Maybe a safer bet, with the reliability of the normals- that seem to usually lead to a super with meter. Obviously at high level, it's not so easy to play Chun against other masters. I think she has good fundamentals which make her strong.
Alex's main issue is that he's a light grap character with one good grab, so he has really mid specials in comparison to the shotos (because they're supposed to get him into a grab) so he has to work really hard and burn resources for the same results. He also has really mid supers with little stun threat.
Meanwhile Chun Li is a light and fast character with great frame data, a microscopic hitbox and incredible damage with the second best super in the game and a HUGE stun bar.
I just got 3rd strike the other day on the switch and I'm loving the game
Do alpha 3 next if possible!
Definitely
Do Alpha 3 Max :D
There is no character in any fighting game that gets downplayed as much as 3S Chun Li. She's a perfectly complete top tier right out of the box. No genei jin, no command grab, no aegis, no air fireball, and no execution is needed. The moment Chun is on screen, she's winning and the opponent is tense just because of basic old speed and range. Chun players see genei jin and immediately intuitively understand how strong it is, then question how anything could be better than it. In reality, Chun is permanently in the neutral game equivalent to genei jin lmao
Ryu, outside of Denjin, can do a lot of stun. Like I see Ryu players get stuns pretty often, which only makes him stronger.
I see Hugo shifting tiers a lot in tier lists, also first time I’ve seen Ryu that high
You argue it’s SA3, well I would like to argue that red parry also helps Hugo a lot and is universal which could make him a higher tier, though the strengths of each mechanic and character depends on who’s using them
Chun Li's super is a win button. One of the most damaging, has two stocks, easy input, follow-up combo, whiff punishes from damn near full screen. The list goes on.
Good video, as a Remy/Necro, Twelve main for years I enjoy the challenge. Agree with your ranking placement especially top 4.
as an ultra beginner i've been watching a fair amount of your 3rd strike videos to get familiar with what's what. they've been very helpful! been having the most fun with Elena at the moment
BEATS IN MY HEAD
26:54 - I remember when I saw makoto for the very first time in 99. I was a shoto player so the fact her walk was SUPER slow and she didn't have a fireball or DP...phhh what a shitty character. Then I saw the J video where he played Kokujin and double perfected him and was like "... what?!" then I saw the video, I think one of the OG ones, where ppl in Japan started the "EY EY EYYYYY!" thing. I thought it was the coolest thing I've ever seen. Since that day I'm the worst longest playing makoto on the planet but holy shit is she fun 😂
Can you do a video for beginners on how to get into Third Strike? I notice you have some cool training version of the game and I know you can play it on FightCade but I don't know where to begin.
9:35 yeah don't you ever use this kick if you're playing hugo there's no way it would ever win a match or something
Elena main here. You can cancel her normals into super. Crouching medium punch can be linked and even confirmed into SA1 and SA2
bru can u help me w he disadvantage and combos i just picked her up and shes rlly fun
This helps since I just got Third Strike and I want to learn older fighters
Maybe 3s has changes aince i used to watch regularly but dont most people use sa1 instead if denjin? His ex moves hit like a truck and they dont need setup like denjin does. Also since you wont have meter post denjin stun its not a guaranteed kill after.
Yes the meta changed. Denjin setups have changed the way the character is played.
What I love about third strike is that almost NO characters have fireballs. It’s mostly a closerange footsie game
But for me this makes the characters thay have it very annoying to fight, also because the of the lack of anti zoning tools outside of parrying(Except Remy, Urien or Oro, incredibly I never or rarely saw them using them)
I think a bit less than half of the cast have at least a small projectile (granted, Chun-li's or Oro for example is a very minor part of their movelist). It's just that with the parry, spamming fireball isn't a good idea.
@@MegafanX123Because they’re low-key kind of ass if that’s what you consider an anti-zoning tool, realistically who’s using CBK, chicken kicks or knee drops to punish fireballs?
@@MegafanX123 alex stomp, dudley duck, yang rollkick, 12 airdashes, akuma tp / demon flip, sean roll, ibuki hien and kubiori, hugo's claps eat fireballs while letting him get meter. There are more characters with answers to fireballs than without.
9:36 lol, this aged poorly
U can cancel fmk into chop with makoto ?? 28:00
Could someone explain how health works in this game? It says everyone has 160 on the display. I know Q's taunt gives him defense and that pops up but I've also seen people say online that taunting gives health so I've always been confused.
Defense is a modifier that relates to how much damage you take when getting hit. So, higher defense=less damage taken from hits=more hits you can theoretically take, which is effectively more health if you wanna think about it that way. A lot of fighting games calculate damage/health this way. Like Strive does, for example.
It decreases the amount of damage he takes, not the actual amount of health he has, but it’s effectively the same thing
@@TheLivingShadow_ that makes a lot of sense thanks!
@@jakesimpson3373 thanks! I never understood why some people referred to it as a health increase cause that's where the confusion came from. I thought I'd like see his health bar increase or he'd appear to heal if you used it at lower health back in the day lol
while technically that 160 bar is the same for everyone, all chars have a defensive modifier that changes the amount of damage you take.
so, q doesn't really get more health, his defensive modifier is raised and the amount of damage he receives is lessened after each taunt
ontop of that, 3s also has 'guts' values like guilty gear; when your health is lower, the amount of damage you take is reduced by an additional modifier. so, a combo while your health is full will do more damage than the *same combo* while your health is low. 'guts' modifiers are set per character
Q is the top tier in our hearts.
So happy to see Dudley ranked as A+. He needs to come back for SF6.
Makoto is my favorite, but I can't figure out how to convert from command throw + back and SP to super. Even if I do it extremely fast it just doesn't work.
Your videos bring me a lot of peace FR
I wonder if jmcrofts would like to revise the tier list after the match with Diaphone. Is Q still D tier?
Remy should be F-tier because he's French.
F for France
Thanks to this guy Ken on FIghtcade has DOUBLE the amount than before and it was already number 1
Have you ever played at a local or major?
Question from a newbie. Whats the best way to play 3rd strike on pc? Is the collection on steam the only version available?
no, use fightcade
Noob question: what sf3rd version is that? with training mode, frame data etc? I have mame and sf collection on steam but no option to turn on this hud...maybe fightcade+some script/mod? Thx
This is the Fightcade training mode LUA
this is the grouflon training lua, much better than the figthtcade default
@@unibrawn wow ignore me I guess I’m spreading snake oil
I haven't played as Yun much but I am a big fan of Yang once I learned how to play as him in the SF Collection I was mopping up. Seems like Yang has cooler moves. Still gotta beat it with Yun!
Oro on B tier is crazy
It might be a little much, but it would be really cool if you could make a video about option selects like SGGK
12 will forever be my favorite character despite being doodoo
Genuine question: is he playing practice mode via fightcade or the capcom collection?
fightcade, this is grouflon's training mode
What is the software that he uses to pull all the stats while trying the game, like inputs and damage and frames etc?
the in-game framedata display is from a community made training mode, google "grouflon lua" to find it
Is there anything that lets you see the move data like this, on older games like Hyper Fighting??
hf does have a fightcade training mode as well, though not as great as third strike's.
supercombo is the wiki for street fighter games where you can find almost all framedata listed
Hey jmcrofts how you do that Zanf or Hugo that special how they full circle so fast and other
As with all fighting games there is a bit of a skill tilt to some of the tier placements. Makoto isn't very good in unskilled hands. Yun is... fine, but again you need to be good to demonstrate the reasons he is top tier at top level. Chun on the other hand, she's top tier from beginner to pro no problem.
Sean vs Twelve for last place, I am just gonna say it's like Twelve who's the worst. I've seen Alex Valle do some pretty cool things with Twelve but his damage output is just so baaaaad.
Def gotta check out this match. Def shows potential for damage, mix-up, and shenanigans'
th-cam.com/video/zG31SlWAYlE/w-d-xo.html
If you can try and find old videos of Kuroda (guy pretty much mastered the game way back when)
had some crazy combos *Also won a tournament using only random.*
I'm a FG casual interested in learning Third Strike to play with friends. Please make a list of easy-to-pick characters :)
I'd say Ken/Ryu, Elena, Akuma, Chun are all pretty easy and intuitive.
Yang, Ken, Ryu, Chun are the easiest, but really I think anyone is fine except Yun, Urien, and the low tiers
@@STRANGE_Music. Thank you
@@jmcrofts oh my goodness, I just received a reply from the GOAT himself. Thank you! :)