PR206 Quinacridone Maroon: should you buy it before it's discontinued? Swatches and comparison.
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- Hello friends!
I’m Elisabetta, an Italian watercolor artist with a passion and a curiosity for art supplies and pigments.
Today I am starting the exploration of Quinacridone pigment family with Quin Maroon PR206, a pigment that is unfortunately not being manufactured any longer. Should you buy a tube from the remaining stock before it disappears from the market?
I will be swatching and comparing paints by Daniel Smith, Winsor and Newton, M.Harding, Schminke, QOR .
I will also try, as usual, some mixes!
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PS: Elisabeta, just like you I adore every colour I have.Each time I hydrate a colour I take a breath and think- Wow that's lovely! It's what keeps me addicted- all those massive hits of pleasure. Even dull old Yellow Ochre: with a drop of water it is transformed into something Soo Delicious! (I can smell mustard on Frankfurters...)
Ahaha Pindar!! This is the best message ever!! It describes so well my addiction to colours….thanks for sharing!
What a wonderful video, Esliabetta! Thank you. That Michael Haring is stunning, as usual! I checked the W&N website and they still sell PR206 Brown Madder but they will soon switch to the Perylene PR179 version! M. Graham already has. A Gallo offers QUINACRIDONE CHESTNUT which is based on PR206.
Thank you so much David and sorry for my late reply!! A Gallo just had their restocking day, but I have too many supplies and I just restrained myself....sure it's a temptation! Thanks for sharing and happy painting!
I know, it is dangerous to contemplate all these wonderful paints available. A Gallo has another restock coming on 29 June. And I probably will buy some of that quin. chestnut, along with some siennas and umbers.
@davidschonberger8609 for me watercolour is a black hole! 😰 an endless source of fun!
I love your enthusiasm ❣️
Thank you so much Wendy ❤️❤️
Oooh! That green mix is my favorite!
Thank you for sharing this! I just love to share this passion ❤️
Hello my dear! I only have the Sennelier old version single pigmented with PR206 and it looks different to all these you show! Thanks for this comparative :)
Helloooo! I love the Sennelier brand. I’m curious now! Thank you for sharing this! 😍
Thank you so much for this information about pigment PR206 being discontinued. One of my favorite browns is W&N Brown Madder. I immediately ordered the big 37ml tube which arrived today and is the right pigment. I was worried it would be the new version PR179. I also have a small amount of Daniel Smith Quinacridone Burnt Scarlet and a small amount of Sennelier Permanent Alizarin Crimson Deep which is also PR206 but not nearly as pretty as W&N or DS. I think W&N version has a cleaner look than DS but they are both very pretty.
Hi Kim! I think that you 37 ml tube should last for a very long time! It feels good to have it! Thanks a lot for sharing it here. I also prefer the browner PR206 compared to the reddish one…take care! Elisabetta
I just bought the Winsor & Newton one because another youtuber mentioned it would be discontinued. It's a lovely colour. The Michael Harding paints loos really amazing.
You did right! Yes, Michael Harding is incredible paint!
I think I'll get the WN tube because it's a whiopper at 37mls! It's some 20 pounds here in England from Jaxons which is not a bad deal and, as you show, it's very pigmented and it'll last forever. I love this range of hues, the deep earthy reds and maroons, for flesh tones as well as spilled blood in horror scenes etc. (Turner's PR175 Brown Madder is really gorgeous and so are the deeper PR101 Indian Reds and such... and so cheap too.) Oh and I also use the Cotman Alizarin Hue you show here: also v successful for flesh mixes... and pretty in its own right. I keep a tin box with tubes of great Cotman standbys: great value and a drop or two of glycerin helps them along.
Hi Pindar! Indian Reds is one of my favourite colours too!! Earthy tones are my soft spot…I have never tried Turner’s colours everyone is mentioning it… thanks for sharing this! Have a great week, Elisabetta
I have Daniel Smith`s and Schmincke`s, and I can agree that the DS is more pigmented as you`ve put it, but the way I see this color is I prefer the softness of the Schmincke`s one. Thank you for the comparison))
Yes!!! Schminke is less pigmented but very soft and elegant! I’m happy I have it! Thank you for sharing this!
Another lovely video Elisabetta. Sadly I learned yesterday that PO48 another Quinacridone pigment is being discontinued as well so I ordered some tubes because I absolutely love this pigment especially in combination with PR206 or PY150. So wanted to share the information so you can grab some tubes as well.
Thank you so much dear friend! Actually I came across the same information about PO48 while doing my research about quin Colours. Terrible terrible news! It also affects Quin Gold! I’m preparing a video about this pigment soon…which brand did you buy? Thanks a lot ! Have a lovely day/evening….(I don’t know where you are based!). 😄
@@WatercolorElisabetta I live in Germany so not far away 😊 I'm really sad because that are two pigments I really like, especially PO48 because in mix with py150 it's my favorite quin gold and favourite yellow. Also love the mix between pr206 and po48. I did buy my po48 from Daniel Smith, Roman Szmal, M Graham and one from Qor. They're all lovely but like the Daniel Smith version the most. I also saw today that PR168 Anthraquinone Scarlett is being discontinued as well.
Guten Morgen! You are definitely pigment addict just like me 😃 I didn‘t know about anthraquinone Red…😞
@@WatercolorElisabetta Guten Morgen 😍 yes I totally am 😅😅 saw the information about the red yesterday that but the information was about a year old. Was happy to see that there was still some in stock so I could order it. Hopefully it's not with a replacement pigment
I was just about to order a large tube of Q. Burnt orange & yes been discontinued in anyplace looked so not sure which color to replace it as when mixed (got great rich colors) & now discontinuing Q. maroon 😢?
So funny - Mina Does Art Stuff has a PR206 video also out today! Great minds think alike!
My favorites are M. Graham, Qor, and Michael Harding. I love this hue; I don’t find its eventual disappearance as consequential as PO49, however. I feel like there’s lots of overlap with other earth pigments.
Hi Laura! Actually this video was released exactly 12 months ago… mysteries of TH-cam!! I agree with you! I mourn PO49 much more than PR206….I find that PR179 can be a great substitute! Cheers and thank you for writing.
I’ll have to check my stash, but I don’t think I have any Quin maroon. Better get it while I can so. Thanks for the comparison!
Hi Sonya! It’s a lovely addition to any palette! Hurry up! Thank you for stopping by!
Hi Elisabetta, I have the Qor one and it is a lot more pigmented than it shows on your video. I like it a lot. But since it is not one of my staple colors, I personally prefer not to get used to colors that are discontinued. For me - hobby painter - there are so many colors to choose. But nevertheless a very interesting video. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing your point of view. How can I disagree? Very rational! Take care 😃
@@WatercolorElisabetta I was going to say the same thing about the QOR one haha.
Danke 🌞🌹🌞
:) Thank to you!
I have another PR206, which is Castagna quinacridona from Gallo, a lovely color.
With such a lovely name - castagna- it must be a lovely colour!! Thanks!!
Thank you for swatching perylene maroon, I been wanting to see the difference between those two for a while.
I wonder If the Winsor and Newton Alizarin has also PR122 that they are not disclosing?
Hi Paulina! I’m glad you appreciated the Perylene Maroon Swatch! Personally, I would consider very wrong if W&N mislabelled a product, knowing how respected and serious the company is, I would consider it almost impossible! There must be a process difference….
The Michael Harding looks amazing. I wonder if all his watercolor paints are that pigmented.
W&N Cotman has two PR206 colors, both of which I have. The other one is Rose madder hue. It's similar to the Alizarin crimson hue.
Hi MaryAnn! I didn’t know about the other Cotman. Michael Harding is really AMAZING! loaded with pigment. Thanks for sharing! Elisabetta
Hi Elisabetta! I did not know that this color was being discontinued, that is sad to hear. I have the W&N Cotman Alizarin Crimson Hue, but I don't actually use it much out of concerns with Alizarin Crimson being fugitive, as you mentioned in your video. Is the Cotman line also fugitive? By the way, I really like the Perylene Maroon that you swatched out. Is it from Daniel Smith? That is the one I have in my palette. Like you have said, it is more of a dark red and is PR 179. Anyway, thank you for the nice video and have a great day! :)
Hi Morrison! Your feedback is always accurate and relevant, thank you so much! You can use your Alizarin Crimson hue PR206, which is lightfast. It’s the genuine pigment PR83 which is fugitive…my Perylene Maroon is from Winsor & Newton professional, and it’s GORGEOUS. I know it is redder than the DS version, but I haven’t tried it; you confirm it, anyway! Thanks a lot for stopping by! I can almost wish you a great weekend! It’s almost Friday here in Italy. Take care, Elisabetta
I have the Quin. Burnt Scarlet from DS: it really is very pigmented. My favourite Perm. Alizarin Crimson from W&N Prof. is also made with PR206. And my delicate Rose Madder Hue from Cotman. I have to stock up ☹
Absolutely Johanne, do it now before they go out of stock….😄
just recently i got alazarin crimson hue in the pro version of W&N here in italy, not gonna lie it was a bit of an impulse buy, i have the half pan version in a small cotman set and i love it so much
I agree, the Cotman version is delightful! Do I understand well that you are Italian? Ho capito bene che sei Italiana? Ciao! Grazie del commento 🤩
@@WatercolorElisabetta si! Sono in italia da poco pero, quindi ho ancora paura di scrivere/parlare male
I have to say, though, the pro version of this paint is significantly more pigmented/intense than the cotman version
@@raychell1 benvenuta in Italia! 😍
Quinacridone Gold by Winsor and Newton is being discontinued but has PR206 ... for now!
It’s time to stock up with Quin Gold! Thanks for your message 😀
I'm going to check my stash! The Michael Harding is beautiful! I recently found an older tube of W&N Permanent Alizarin Crimson in PR206. Just a 5ml tube. The replacement is PR179 I think, and it's hard to tell the difference. PR206 seems warmer. Sad it's leaving 🙏
Is your Paul Rubens set from tubes or pans? Just curious.
My Paul Rubens is from tubes. I have published a video some times ago about these 24 tubes! I think that it’s going to be PR179 (at least I’ve read it on W&N website…). Yes it’s kind of sad…thank you for stopping by and sharing your thoughts!
You have to use Qor paint up against a gum Arabic binder watercolor for the explosion to happen…so it works best with other brands but especially the payees grey spiderwebs like crazy
Thank you so much for this advice! ❤️ I will try
which brand was the Perylene Maroon on the bottom in the first swatches as an alternative? grazie mille!
Winsor & Newton! Sorry! I have a full pan in my studio palette…thank you for asking!
I think the best one in these swatches in the Michael Harding version. It looks so saturated. I have the Roman Szaml PR206 and PO48. They are a bit difficult to rewet and have a white residue, but they are very beautiful indeed and so transparent.
I should try to pour M. Harding in a pan and rewet it! I love Roman Szmal and I’m surprised it’s difficult to rewet! So much information from you as usual. Thank you! 🥰
@@WatercolorElisabetta It’s not very difficult to rewet Roman Szmal but it does take time. It’s best to just wet them for 2-3 mins before using them. It could be that the top layer is interfering, you know the one that has the wax layer. M Graham, though, rewets like a dream! Very intense from the first damp touch. I love it for that.
Edit: I meant to say it is not very difficult to rewet Roman Szmal paints. I corrected that above.
I also like paint that easily rewet, even if they might feel sticky! Have you tried Rosa Gallery? It rewets like a breeze.
@@WatercolorElisabetta I haven’t tried Rosa Gallery. I’m trying to limit my wishlist otherwise it will be very long. I kicked Roman Szmal off the list (sorry Roman!) and put Michael Harding instead. It’s at no 1 at the moment. The others are M Graham, W&N, Schmincke and some Sennelier and Rembrandt. A Gallo paints are in a special on that list 🥰
I’d love to visit Assisi one day just to visit the A Gallo shop 🥰
Dear Elisabetta; does the Cotman say "AP Non-Toxic" on the opposite side of the tube?
Hello! I apologise for my late reply. No, it doesn’t…it says AP conforms to ASTM D 4236….
Thank you Elisabetta!@@WatercolorElisabetta
Hm, the colours look a bit pale and so do the hands.
I suspect it's the recording settings or the camera that's making it so pale.
I have some of the colours myself, and they look much more intense when I use them
I’m sorry colours look pale on your screen! They look right on mine.
@@WatercolorElisabetta I would agree with @askialuna7717. I have several colour calibrated monitors and a couple of different tablets. Unfortunately I find that the colours are way off on all screens in all of your videos, which is not an issue I have with other artist channels. I still watch because I love your commentary but sadly I cannot form even the vaguest idea of the colours. I would be happy to send you some screenshots if you are interested or if it helps.
Hi Brigitte! I think the issue has been fixed in my more recent videos! Would you like to have a look? Have you tried watching them? Have a look at my last one! Thanks for your support. Elisabetta
@@WatercolorElisabetta oh wow, that’s great news! I will take a look straight away at your recent videos. Thanks so much for responding.
First!
Hello!! You made it!
Yup 😅
I'm quite surprised if this pigment is being discontinued why other brands keep using it and Michael harding which is new with watercolors releases a color with this pigment.
I honestly think its only WnN who is discontinuing it.
You might be right! From the research I have done, some brands still have a stock. We shall see!
W&N just seems to announce they will replace the pigment instead of "discontinuing the color" in a sense
The pigment as far as I know has been discontinued, it has more to do with other, bigger industries that buy said pigments (automotive industry) not being a client/interested in such colors anymore, so the manufacturers dont really see a reason to keep producing it if the bug guys arent going to buy it so they just stop. That or overall it just wasn't a good business
I'm inclined to think or especulate this was the case because other causes would be producing the pigment was banned dur to toxicity to people or the enviroment, but id think if that was thd case the info wouldve been out by now
Exactly, Madder Brown will be produced using a different pigment. The reason for Quin Gold PO49 being discontinued is the lack of interest from main client, I.e., the automotive industry. However, watercolour manufacturers replaced the pigment with a “hue”. That’s why I mentioned to make sure the label says PR206….thanks for your reply, and make sure you have some stock!!
Michael Harding will also be replaced. He mentioned it in a Jackson's Art video. 😕
Eventually everyone will have to do so! Probably the most common replacement will be PR179…
Michael Harding at 28 min.: th-cam.com/video/KlVP4WgoXWU/w-d-xo.html
Watched it! A marvellous interview. Thank you!