My 2nd ever "negative video" The YouTube Burnout Trend LONG
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มี.ค. 2024
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Recently, more than a dozen channels I subscribe to have shut down, announced a sabbatical, or discussed how they are heavily considering it. Why are so many wonderful YT model train channels suddenly feeling down and out? Is it just "gatekeepers" and "rivet counters," or is there more to it?
While TH-cam has its ups and downs, I have never seen so many channels expressing their frustrations with the negative folks who come on their videos.
In this video I discuss some of the underlying traps as I see them, my own bouts of manic depression and what sets it off, and discuss the various types of negative folks who are most likely to get under one's skin and lead to the walk-offs.
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Hi Anthony, I just want to say thank you for taking the time out to share the joy of your hobby with us, you and others like you are an inspiration to so many modellers right around the world, quite what people get out of making negative comments is beyond me, and why anyone would dislike a video of a small child enjoying their first train-ride, or your friend's video, showing him learning to walk again?,as you say, these are amazing, beautiful moments in people's lives , and we are privileged to be able to see them, take care, all the best from, Stephen.
Thank you for the kind words. Although I discuss my experiences, this video is about those going through the burnout, and offering understanding and sympathy. It is quite a few recently in the community - more than I have seen before.
Thanks for this Anthony, this is something that needs saying. Social media seems to make some people think that their words don’t have consequences. I’m a semi-regular watcher. I’m an N scaler, don’t know much about HO but just watching your trains run, and sharing your enjoyment is an inspiration and has allowed me to realise that I can run whatever I want and just enjoy it for its own sake. I’ve had some negative feedback on my tiny train channel and was surprised by how badly it made me feel because I just kinda enjoyed doing it. Anyhow.. keep doing what you are doing for you. You said something that sums it up perfectly (paraphrase) ‘just because you can do a thing, doesn’t mean you should do a thing’. I just love trains, I love watching your trains and listening to you share your joy so just simply thanks for sharing your insight and passion
Thank you for your very kind words and support. I am just sorry for these channels that are feeling burned out, knowing how much flack they must take, especially when they are not professional "how-to" channels. They are just folks who like to run trains and build their layouts and share them. They have grown big in subscriptions, but their attitude is still just the share and have fun. Too many people think that these channels are fair game and should just accept anything as they are big channels, and it comes with the territory Some people are just gentle souls and do not understand why they draw such vile. I sympathize because I am drawn to sympathy and know how even simple things can get big. I have not burned out, nor tired of TH-cam. TH-cam has done far more good than bad for me, but there are comments and actions which do sting and get to me, so these channels must really have had some nasty stuff to feel as they do.
Hello Anthony. Can i just say you have a wonderfully clear and well spoken way of talking and communicating through your videos. I genuinely enjoy listening to you on TH-cam through your live streams and videos like this.
It's been really interesting hearing about your manic depression, and again you describe the effects of it so very well. Without going into too much detail I can 10000% relate to this, and it can be hard to open up about these things especially when it can be easily hidden behind a 'Happy and Jolly' persona.
TH-cam is a funny old thing, and it can easily become a bit of self created monster. On the one hand it gives is the opportunity to meet so many wonderful, wonderful people and share things with each other such as hobbies and interests. And yet it has its darker side of potentially exposing us to the negative and self righteous folk of the world, who just want to rain on your parade. It can be hard to rise above that and carry on sometimes, but I feel that it's important to simply turn the other cheek and crack on with what we love to do and be amongst the people we love to be with.
Please stay strong and keep up the amazing work you do on your channel Anthony, All the very best to yourself, Joyce and your family.
Hello, Martin and thank you for the kind words. I think manics tend to be shy, but positive. We just live with the idea that we never know when the next trough will occur. The channels that I see burning out from the negatives all turn the other cheek, but one does run out of cheeks eventually. Despite my own issues and negative feedback at times, I have not felt close to walking away... yet. The straws do come, however, so it makes me and others keenly aware and sympathetic when some finally has had enough. To be honest, I find being up front with my issues (depression, autism, ADD) helps me. I also find that an occasional return volley at a negative attack does me good. 99% I ignore, but the 1% will quickly regret pushing me. I won't change them, but I sometimes feel the need to stand my ground at times.
Hello! I started uploading videos to TH-cam to show my dad (who lived in the UK) what I was doing with the layout (here in Ohio) because he didn't get to visit very often. Then I started adding videos to show people how to fix things, like ringfield motors because it was easier to do one video and show people than write out a long explanation that sometimes was hard to follow. After a couple of videos, I just kept filming model railway stuff that I did and uploaded it, because if it helped just one person, then it was worth the effort. The negative human behavior you describe in the video isn't unique to TH-cam, its been around since computers have been networked in the 90s. The negative intent isn't always there, sometimes its people misinterpreting things or having the wrong expectations when they watch a video. Sometimes its people frustrated because they can't figure something out, maybe your video was the 50th video they've watched on the topic, the most promising and maybe your hand was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometimes people look at the thumbnail, a few seconds of the video and make a comment not realizing had they watched the entire video, their comment would be redundant. More often than not, people are just bad at communicating and bad at typing, so they combine these skills to leave a somewhat rude sounding comment. Sometimes defusing the situation with your reply will fix the misunderstanding. Other times though, the negative intent is there, usually they perceive your video or channel as a threat to something they are doing, or something a friend or family member is doing. Sometimes they're a corporation who would prefer you hadn't pointed out that they didn't really test their products. Others have a deep misunderstanding of the TH-cam algorithm, and think if they dislike your video before there are likes, that it'll get less views or something. You are absolutely correct, when you upload stuff to TH-cam, you owe nothing, you're going out of your way to hopefully help someone out or give them a few minutes of joy watching trains go around. Don't compare your views, likes, comments and subscribers to other channels, those analytics aren't important. Whats important is that your video helped someone out in some way or another. Like this video, might just sway someone from not packing it in. Think we all need to just keep posting videos of trains...
All you said, most know and agree. We tend to be quite genial. Sadly, such negative behavior goes back even before computers, but social media has added a new element of anonymity and animosity, along with a greater sense of entitlement by viewers. This entitlement is exponentially deeper in the mind of the viewer than a sports team fan who expects players, coaches and ownership heed their letters and shouts. At least that fan may have the poor excuse of having bought season tickets or reserved seats. The viewers on YT paid nothing to watch a video, most likely not aimed at them.
You mentioned how your goals changed. You wanted to show sad; then show/teach. That intent immediately draws some negative responses from those who think they know better and those who expect your product and production values to match your perceived ambitions. Thus, when I did public readings from my book or published articles, I expected a level of negative feedback and intended "constructive criticism." Obviously, long years on the internet tell us we will have trolls and such. That does not help or prepare folks who see YT merely as a fancier FB and truly are just making videos for a small, friendly audience who get the extreme critics and demanding, entitled viewers. It would be like Gordon Ramsey showing up at your backyard family grill and going off on how the way you grill hot dogs/sausages is so embarrassing and would never suit the royal family.
Sometimes, these channels grow very big, but the presenters try to do as they always have. Unfortunately, many viewers either expect a 20K sub channel to be professional and answer every whim, or they think a channel like that is fair game to hate on, because the presenter should expect a few negative comments. There may be envy, a sense of superiority, or who knows what else.
I am not the sufferer. I am the sympathetic viewer watching innocent channels shut down because too many have this need. We are powerless to do anything, but telling folks "just ignore it" after they've been upset is a wrong way to support. Everyone has a breaking point. I just remember, as I did with colleagues and students, that I do not know what the person before me is going through off camera, so I refrain from anything remotely critical or subversive. Thank you for your view and story. Much appreciated! 👍
Very wise words. Thank you for your honesty, especially your depression. Great video. 👍
Hello, Anthony... although 75% of this video was about my depression and experiences, I have never suffered from the burnout. I have felt agitated. I just hurt for these great channels that have wonderful hosts who get the stupidest and even nastiest complaints for no reason. It is not like they are selling anything or even trying to prove how great they are. They merely show a love for the hobby and a joy in what they are working on, and some folks can not let that be. I can suffer more abuse myself than I can suffer seeing others taking.
It's brave to speak out like this; most people wouldn't do that. Just do what gives you joy.
Anger on the behalf of others is one of the greatest sources of "bravery." It accomplishes little... people won't change, but maybe letting folks know you understand when they have a down moment or are thinking of quitting TH-cam from the toxicity of some people... maybe that gives them a little comfort.
Great video Anthony and wise words. Peace and love to you all. ☮️❤️
I rambled, spoke from the soul rather than stay on a message, but I got to it entually.
I do follow model railroad on youtube generally, but hadn't seen your channel before, though generally O-Gauge, as that's my father's layout's gauge. The 'negative' video is the first thing the algorithm picked to show me. I've seen this with channels.
It's sad. Despite talking about my experiences, I have never felt burned out, but my situation makes me feel a vicarious pain for these channels that I, and hundreds and thousands of other, love, but are tired of the unexpected and unwarranted complaints and criticism. They are just here to share good fun and some folks just feel the need to pull down.
An excellent video in which I am in agreement with what you say throughout, though sad that it needed to be made but I think it stands to help folks ultimately. :)
Thank you, Christopher. I just hate seeing so many good people made to feel bad.
I have not thought about this from the viewers point of view. first off then, I will say I am sorry. I did take a break from you tube, from live streaming, from posting content, not for the reason of negative comments , but yet the demand put on myself to post more, to post new products, to post live streams to give a place to hang out. I am more a critic of myself, and NEED it to mean something, to help someone, to give a place to learn and grow. To myself I was failing at this, so wait, ok, negative comments,, well I took the break before I started getting those, yes I am scared to fail, scared people will look down on me,, SCARRED to be washed up. so the more I listen to this, the more I understand, it happens to us all, in one way or another, I am still not out of the woods yet. I still want to fulfill what I have my channel for, some days I have it, other days I think, wait what if people don't see this idea in the same sense I do. again,, afraid to fail. so if I don't post, I can't get negative feed back. So back to what you touched on,, the Viewers. the people that don't know what I feel, what I am afraid of, and all they see is he quit. why did he quit, did he give up on this community. see, now I thinking the extreme other side of the coin, without rambling I should stop, I am sure this is confusing enough now, comes down to post or not to post. to care what others think /to what I think. maybe I just have to stop thinking of the WHAT IF'S and just do it .
Hello, David! I do not see a reason to apologize. I just saw a bunch of channels talking about the jump in negative comments recently and leaving YT or going on hiatus... and the troll comments are the least offensive and easiest to dismiss. I rambled too much, and folks saw me discuss my mental health story and think I am burned out, which I am not. This is bigger channels, bigger than mine and even yours, and they are not "how-to/professional guys," just people who love the hobby and grew big. Some burnout can occur because of the pressures a creator puts on themselves to produce quality and pertinent videos and maintain audience expectations (along with views and interactions).
The burnouts I am discussing are from the ma/pa channels who grew because of their easy-going, fun style but the rivet-counters, the gatekeepers, and the entitled viewer just keep coming at them. The "Helpful Harrys," the "Know-it-all-Noels," and this breed of entitled viewers ("I watched your video, and I have a few demands to make for me to view more of your channel."). No matter how tough or strong someone is, they have a breaking point. Sometimes, because these folks aren't using a business model on their channel, they are not prepared for the customer-mentality of a lot of viewers. Not to mention how it affects their mental health, which has nothing to do with YT specifically. We always tell folks "just ignore it/don't worry about it." Problem is, they can't and do. We can not change anything... we can't stop the trolls, we can not stop the customer-mentality viewers, but we can just understand the reason why it gets to people, whether they are manic depressives like me or simple folks who are caught up in something bigger than they expected, can not handle all the incoming noise, and just want to get away from it. So, they leave TH-cam or go on a hiatus. Problem is, those viewers I mention... not the trolls and random jerks... they plant a poison in the brains of these folks. Even when they leave TH-cam, they look at their trains or layout and think about the criticisms, complaints, excessive suggestions, etc.
This is why I talked about the seduction of TH-cam. It gets the ma and pas coming in and then many get overwhelmed as their channels grow beyond belief and folks think these bigger channels are pros, and feel entitled to opine on everything.
Anyhow, I was just expressing sympathy and sadness. I can not change anything, but I put out the word knowing a few of these channels do tune into me. I let them know I understand and to not feel guilty. And to selfishly ask them to leave their videos up if they do leave. I did offer advice to those who think about it, which is "never tell someone who is bothered by something, 'don't let it bother you." It just makes them feel worse. Just about everyone knows to ignore the trolls and negative comments, but some can get to you, and sometimes you do have to walk away or clap back. I myself have clapped back at times, because it may feed a troll, but the troll does not stand a chance against me... and a good battle of wits with some of these bozos does me good now and then. Anyone, you are a hell of a guy and I appreciate and respect your point of view, and all the great things you've done. I am also glad you have not had the last straw.
Cheers!
Well said Anthony.
I'm learning as my channel grows.
I'll never be monetised.
I've had people dislike some of my videos and it does knock you back. You start questioning what it was that there was to dislike.
Thankfully it's people like you and other encouraging members of our community that keeps me creating content.
Thank you to you all.
Happy Modelling
Mon
I do not worry about whether a channel is monetized or not, the commercials get stuck on your videos no matter what. There just seems to be a surge in the entitled/bitchy viewer who feels they have the inalienable right to criticize or make ridiculous demand on some channels because "you posted this, I watched it, so I have a right to say whatever I want." Some people just want to be mean, but you can usually distinguish those posts and ignore them. It's the petty or entitled ones that bug you. Yes, the thumbs down on some videos can get you. You think "what was wrong with that?" Why give a thumbs down to a guy learning to walk or a 2-year-old saying they like trains. Those are the ones that set me off. It shows the ugliest side of humanity in a simple act, and I like humanity.
Hi Anthony,
Well it took me 3 visits to see this all the way through as you asked but what your saying is well worth saying and I hope this is seen by many others. I have been lucky both as a small channel and the name of my channel I do not get much of what you decribe so I am thankful for that. I do wonder if the people who do this are the same as the ones who throw there rubbish down and expect others to pick up the bill of millons of pounds/dollers or leave there doggy poo so that we can step in it!! but yes YT are in it for the money and we are I think gratefull that we can send our content around the world for free it is a service and its great that the advertisers are happy to pay for it. I hope that the channels who are thinking of leaving heed your comments because at some stage they will get the urge again and if you have to start all over again from scratch some may not bother and miss out on the friendship and entertainment that is there for us. A great mind provoking video indeed so well done for making it and all the attempts before. Now back to the trains super.
Cheers Robert.
I am glad you have avoided the negativity. Usually, we can all just ignore it, but it can get overwhelming, especially when undeserved. In other words, if I put up a song and my awful voice is there... I expect and deserve some negatives, but too much is just bitter people who feel like they have a right to tee off on your channel because you didn't do what they wanted... or they attack something which should be free of attack. There's plenty of understandable reasons why some decides to leave the hobby or stop posting on TH-cam... don't need to be pushed out the door by petty knuckleheads.
Great video Anthony.. great points too.. 👍
Thanks 👍
Hiya Anthony , Yes you certainly do make some Very Good Points about TH-cam . Speaking about Myself now . I joined as a Personal Journey with Model railways and the Real Railways and Share with Good folks ( Like yourself and Thank you for that Friendship and Support over the Years ) and Mostly have Fun . I'll never do it for the money as it is not relevant to me at all after all thats not what i have any interest in as it does even bother me . As for the burn out side . I also have that Trying to come up with Ideas is getting harder and harder to try and keep it fresh and keep Folks Happy is getting even harder . That one reason why i tend to do more videos on the real stuff as i dont have to much editing . ( its all raw footage !!! ) Then there is also outside factors in life . I recentlty Lost a Family Member due Suicide so that has also made me lose my Mojo . And one of the recent comment on a Video which got all political ( I personally think there is no place for This on a Model Railway Channel ) Any My rant Over !!! ( Sorry Anthony !!! ) But yes i do agree with you Sir
And Keep your Chin Up Bud And Keep up the hard work your channel is a Major Highlight to my Viewing Pleasure on this Platform .
I am weird, Andrew... I don't get bored with stuff if I like it. I don't think things have to be changed and kept fresh... I love the joy and the beauty of the models and the layout or carpet... it is the fun the person has. You have been through a lot, but these people that feel the need to dump over a channel and bring in issues that the channel is not there for has become rampant lately. I talked about my issues more only to convince the folks I am defending that I understand what they feel. Some tell them "you can't leave" and to "just ignore it." Both are not fair when someone is feeling what they feel. It is said, and the people making the issues will never understand they are the problem, but we have to show support for the channels that do so much to make us happy. I know Allan told me it's hard for him to come up with new and different... and I am just saying, "I don't need new and different... I just need to se your layout and your trains... and most of all... just see you happy." When you worry about the viewers and numbers (when money and income is not the goal), I think you do lose sight of why you came on to YT in the first place. In the end, TH-cam is just the vehicle... where it goes is on us.
Comments on any social media can be the worst. It seems to encourage the worst types of people. I select channels based on their positive approach. I’ve not seen any of my channels shutdown except for Barry Davis which is understandable on so many levels. You are the most honest and upfront person I see discussing this. You are a therapist as well as a model railway TH-camr. Different from most of the channels I subscribe to. Do you follow Jenny Kirk? There is a positive place that also discusses the problems of negativity
Hello and thank you for the comments. I try to be very positive, and as I said int he videos, some channels invite some negativity, or at least, it comes with the product they produce. Most TH-camrs do not see themselves as promotional content creators, even when their channels grow into the tens of thousands of subscribers and do not warrant the attacks or criticisms. I talked about my experiences as a reference point, but I have never considered leaving TH-cam or burned out, but have been pushed at times. It is just odd to see so many at one time the last month or so.
Hi ya Anthony.
Absolutely with you 100%. I have only been on TH-cam as a vlogger for a short while, not up to 300 sub's yet, so not had the negative comments you bigger channels have had.
However I take things to heart, luckily I have people whom I'm close to like Graham and Deano that have pulled me out of my depression.
Spoken to Lord Al and met him, his video's always make me feel good, how can anyone give him a hard time. As do you with your happy fun personality.
I always like to see the good in people, that's my fault because some of the scum know this and use it against you. But I will always stay positive with people until I know better.
I never ever give a negative comment on TH-cam, if I don't agree with something I just don't comment, no reason on this earth to make people feel bad. Enough bad things going on
Thanks for this fantastic vlog Anthony. Glad someone put it out there.
Stay safe buddy.
.... Pete....
Hey Pete.
Well said.
We are all learning how to do things that we include in our videos.
We're all on the sane team.
We should all stick together as you say. .
Happy Modellin my friend.
Mon
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Thanks Mon. Most of us are on the same page, just a few that want to upset everyone.
Hi, Pete. It is funny to be included in the "you bigger channels." I have no concept. I still feel like the channel with 200 subs. When it comes to people, I am a very positive person. I like humans, I like humanity. I bask in the happiness of those who just spread good vibes, like Al or Graham. It pains me when such folks get the petty people who feel the need to spit at them. Some see it as these channels being oversensitive, but that is why I used the "straw" analogy. Based on the stuff I got (and I was getting some guff even at 225 subs because of my "Ghost of 2015" bits in my original show), but I can not imagine what it must be like to get some of what they get.
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Think I just want to stay small Mon. Got nice people round me. If I get the trolls got to learn to ignore them and not take it to heart.
Don't know if you agree but the US youtubers seem to be more respectful to each other.
@@delphjunction1168 No, US TH-camrs have their snakes, too. As far as "staying small." It really is not a choice one gets to make. I made a decision to go away from the stuff that I knew would get me more views and subs and went to live streams and my comedy stuff, which get much fewer views... and still I have grown to the size I am now.
Hi Anthony and what a great video that was and your thinking is exactly the same as mine - now that I have had a long talk with myself and tried to understand the reasoning behind these comments which of course is many fold. But you will never stop them so you have to just alter the way you respond. Before I would take them to heart and rant back at them, I don’t do that anymore as I feel that adds fuel to fire and in a way, it gives them the satisfaction that some crave for, and I won’t give them that satisfaction anymore. So all I do is delete the comment and block them or my favourite these days is to pin their comment to the top so that everyone who sees the video and starts reading the comments can clearly see what utter arseholes they really are.
So for me, it’s no longer a problem as I have learnt how to deal with them to suit my needs. I still of course get angry with them at times but I don’t respond to them with a reply and to be honest, I think that winds them up even more which for me is great as it shows that they are totally unimportant to me.
Anyway, thank you for the video my friend, I found it very useful and kind of comments my way of thinking is the correct way - for me anyway. 👍🏻. Cheers. …………Graham
Hello, Graham and thanks for watching. There are such a multitude or reasons folks feel the need to be negative, you can not cover them. Some are bullies, and blocking and banning is an effective tool, although I occasional like a good verbal joust (because I am arrogant and expect to win against these Negative Nellies. I rarely do, only for the sake of other viewers and commentors. I tend to react more on behalf of the "Good Joes" who are not putting themselves out there or acting superior... folks who just share a bit of love of the hobby- and folks still feel the need to criticize. With so many channels I follow discussing it and actually talking about it or having actually left TH-cam, I guess I needed to vent. I was glad to hear from a couple of those channels who liked this video. Some negative stuff is expected and you just ignore it, but it can get under your skin... some of us more susceptible to it than others. Funnily enough, it bothers me more when it happens to others than to myself, especially as I figure I do invite some of it with posting songs and comics and not building a layout on a train channel, but others just share their love without criticizing or arrogance, and they still get hatemail, so to speak. That riles me up.
I second that whole comment.. don't fuel the fire.. feed it,, meaning piss them off even more by doing nothing
@sparky107107 That works on some, not others. You don't know... with trolls sure, but the overzealous helpers, critics, entitled crowd... sometimes you have to let them know you will only put up with so much.
Very well said Anthony. I hope this message helps somebody out there in the world.
I got 2 calls from a couple channels to whom I was referring to say "thanks." The other said I helped them understand why they were upset and how it worked on them.
Allans vid was quite a shock...didn't think he was that close to quitting. Excellent video Anthony..I enjoyed it, even if it took me two goes. lol. Take care buddy..all the best. p.s.It would have been awesome to have you put some of your voices in there. Just crying out for a Smokey. lol
Sadly, a lot of channels have shut down, gone on hiatus, or talked about it within the last couple weeks or so. They all talked about the excessive negative comments lately. As these channels are not "pros," and merely fellow hobbyists, it annoys me. Too mad to be funny, I am afraid.
I don't understand people who leave negative comments or dislikes. If I don't like something I just don't leave a comment. I never say something on social media that I would not say to your face. That is just the way I am. But I understand people who get burned out putting up videos. It is very hard to put together videos. The amount of time must be incredible. I don't know how people do it. I have enough trouble finding time to work on my layout, I can't imagine trying to create videos. I know that when things become work and not fun it is harder to keep doing them. Especially when you are doing it for enjoyment and not financial gain. I hope the channels you are talking about take some time to get back to enjoying the hobby for them. Thanks for sharing.
I agree, and feel and act the same way, John. The problem is, in our "customer is always right" corporate societies, folks on TH-cam seem to think every posted video is a product they bought and thus have a right to complain to the manager. One watches a well-produced video and assume that sense of entitlement. "You clearly put this effort in to impress me, well I am not impressed, and I am going to let you know how crappy I feel at you." It's a shameful mentality we have developed the last few decades.
Truth is, I put very little work into my train videos and livestreams (except the videos where I try to synchronize trains together). The hardest I work is on the songs and Matt Clarke, which, oddly enough, get the most negatives. And the vast majority of those negatives do not bother me as I am putting it out as "art," so I have to expect blowback. As I said, what gets me are the negatives on things that there is absolutely no reason to be negative on. Not even opinion. A Guy with no legs learning to walk? Are you really going to give that a thumbs down or complain about the lighting or music in that situation? WTF! At worst, just ignore it and move on.
Hi Anthony 👍 thank you for this as I have found it very reassuring that at the end of the day with this community we all have found friends that we would have not met out side TH-cam. Totally agree about the monetisation why not get a piece of the pie instead of it all going to TH-cam.
All the best to you and the family.
Andy
This is really about the "burning out" so many channels have discussed lately and my sympathy for them and frustration at channels getting an element of these negative nellies beyond the normal. In fact, we usually can avoid the blatantly negative folks more readily than the more insidious ones. Some folks are a bit more affected than others, and I hate to see good folks hurting.
@@ModelTrainOutsider
Yes my friend totally agree spoke to Allan a couple of times since Christmas and I’m so glad that he didn’t shut his channel down. Looking forward to your show on Friday as it always gives us an uplift
All I can say is THANK YOU VERY MUCH! You are an amazing, awesome, and brilliant man. I agree with all you have said. I wanted my son to meet people who loved Trains as much as he does. I also wanted to share his smile and the bond this Mom and Son have. Thank you again so very much for being honest ❤
We all say it, but there are a few who do not practice what we preach or do not realize what they demand. As I said, to me, each video a channel puts up is a free gift. I can politely not use it or I can cherish it, but I would never spit on it or criticize it.
Hey Mr. Dodge❤! Much respect to you and your message. I’m glad to know you. I do it for the friend making and leaving my mark on the world 🌎. Thanks for being you . Thanks for sharing.
Hey, Eric... this really is about the folks who are shutting their channels down or feeling they need to get away from a toxic TH-cam. So many channels lately. I talk a lot about me and my experiences, but only to say "I understand why you feel as you do." I feel bad that folks who only want to give a little joy and share their love are getting crap from these toxic people who have nothing better to do than demand, complain, and criticize... like a Mordor Host of Karen-Orcs.
I’m not sure I’ve experienced the negativity you’re talking about. I went on TH-cam initially to learn about model trains and slowly but surely found how I enjoy this hobby (mostly like my model car collection which is slanted towards dealer promo models of mostly European brands). I realized that I enjoy the historical as well as engineering aspect of trains, not so much creating a perfect layout. I view this as a journey and try to enjoy every day of it I learn more about trains.
Sadly, there is a type of channel or style that draws more trolls and such. This video was not even about me, though I talked about me mostly. I was merely sharing my experiences with the negatives to relate what these bigger channels, who are all just nice people, finally getting fed up with the negative, toxic folks. I was expressing my empathy and sympathy and support for them. SO many relatively large channels (the smallest is 3K subscribers, the largest is 35K) all saying they are done or going on hiatus and cite the ridiculous comments or demands of viewers. Having experienced some of it myself, I understand. I got two phone calls today from 2 of the channels and got thank yous, and one even said it helped them understand what they were feeling.
@@ModelTrainOutsider I delete any negative comments and ban them from my channel... I'm here to have fun and learn.
Thoughtful video Anthony.
I am angry for friends and channels who have too many fools who feel free to make stupid comments or demands as if they hired and paid these modelers to do videos for them and did not get what they wanted.
Agreed Anthony.
Some big channels getting too much undeserved flack. At least I invite some of my flack... not that I like it, but I understand doing some of what I do, but these channels (5K to 35K subscribers) do nothing but share fun and folks feel the need to complain and make demands.
I had to laugh ...
I thought you said you have 7 couch degrees
After a few rewinds I realised you said college degree.haha
My 1st video ..I remember saying.
That I wasn't sure to do you tube because I didn't want to be on trail or judged
But wanted to be judged on my layout.
Anyhow with you on most of this.
Allan is just a nice bloke ..doesn't deserve the constant hassles.
Be good, Anthony
Ps some thumbs down come from bots.
If you let it bother you it will drive you mad.
So I just ignore and move on
Feel it's best way for me
Hi Mark,
The thing is, as I poorly clarify in the video is that some folks can't just ignore it, or so much comes in, it is impossible to not let it get to you. I used the examples of some of the BS I get to express sympathy for those who have discussed that they are leaving or taking a break because of the negativity. I have had no burnout, although some things do annoy me.
Some stress about counts (subscribers views then and now, etc.) or some get stressed by pressure of putting up content. Neither concern me. I put up what I want, when I want, knowing some of what I do (like my singing) naturally invite some less-than-friendly comments and letters.
Some folks hit a breaking point... ignore so much for so long, then they break... the "last straw" analogy. And the worst thing one can do for those who are openly annoyed or frustrated is deny what they are feeling or tell them "just ignore it" when they obviously couldn't anymore. At that point, all you can do is express sympathy or empathy if you like them and support whatever decisions they make.
Sadly..and it's just my view ..because I have had 79 Amputations my empathy/sympathy has gone.hence I don't like people's pity party for me either.
Who's the guy that's missing stuff below the knee?
Just so you know I watched whole video lol
Anyways have a dam fine weekend Anthony.... best wishes to Joyce too
@@modelrailwayfantasia I know. And I know you don't like them... very few do, but it is always nice to know someone is in your corner regardless.
I don’t understand TH-cam , I am here for the fun, sharing the hobby that’s all
It's not "TH-cam"... it is people... they treat each channel as though this channel is supposed to be what they, the viewer, want. It's not different than some train clubs where certain guys are always critical and demand things go their way. At the train club it's 15-50 people. TH-cam, it's hundreds or thousands, and they feel freer to speak up and criticize because the computer screen protects them from a punch in the nose.
Exactly right, I’m here to have fun and goof around, TH-cam and model railroading is just a hobby, and after all you can just block mean nasty people from seeing your content. Problem solved!
Great video Anthony and wise words I watched every minute of your video.
Personally TH-cam for me has felt a little toxic and I've definitely spent less time on here.
I can't believe these hateful trolls attacked Allan he's a joy to watch and one of the nicest guys on TH-cam.
Take care my friend
We just have some people right now... a minority of humans and any group... who just seem to feel entitled to make demands and whine about anything on a channel they do not like or want. It's all age groups and such. It is just sad to see how these folks take so much until they finally get upset and leave. I hate to see them feel hurt when all they do is spread good vibes... some people just like to hate on the good guys.
Strength to you Mr Dodge. Bring on Friday 🎉
Indeed.
We have made so many new friends on TH-cam. It can be a lot of fun. But there are days that we feel burn out and just can't do it. We get thumbs down on our video's too sometimes. I suspect a lot of it is just people doing it to do it and annoy others. I don't let it bother me. And if we happen to get a rude comment that person is usually blocked. We aren't going to tolerate it. Steve gets frustrated because our views seem to be down since January 1. But we just keep forging ahead. We enjoy watching your videos. I think you and Arty are the only foreign model train videos we watch. Hope you have a good rest of your night. Jenny
The thing is, this rant is in defense of some very popular channels that have all talked about the sudden rise in negative comments. I used my experiences to express recognition and understanding of what they are going through. The funny thing is, the most obvious and rude comments do not get to one as much... it is the insidious bits and just the sudden upswing in people who demand that a channel gives them what they want and forget, who criticize or even "just want to help." Most of us are not television shows and professional actors, we came to hang. Too many viewers nowadays confuse TH-cam with Netflix and forget that most on here are just here to share some love and fun and not be the viewers personal entertainment channel. So, I feel bad for these friends who have left or are considering leaving because the viewer comments and demands are out of control.
@@ModelTrainOutsider Luckily we haven't encountered those comments yet. We do occasionally get people requesting us to do a video on xyz but not very often. I suspect there are a lot of people who do consider TH-cam there "TV". We rarely watch regular TV, we mostly watch TH-cam. I agree though that it can be overwhelming and frustrating when people start demanding you do a video on a certain topic, especially if it is something you weren't planning on doing a video on. Jenny
Ave AD, well if someone "expose" themselves on the www, there will always be the some negative reactions, what ever the reasons, so you have to have a big "shield" to not take that to personal, even than Eric put up his video, where I was felling very small against so much power of force of life, there are always some DA that dislike it. In our days that is part of life, so we have to get used to it ... I have some videos online ... certainly I will do some more as I will build along ... but I do not care what "haters" say, cause IDNGAF !!! That's my world, if you do like it, fine, enjoy, if not click on the next video ... See you next friday ... until then have fun ... Luma
Ave, Luma... the problem is, even the strongest shield can be pierced or bludgeoned useless in time. It is easy to say, but not easy for some to do when we say "just ignore it/get over it/don't let it bother you." Such folks should not have to refrain from posting just because "one has to expect the negativity." Although I discuss my issues, I have never felt burned out... some things annoy me, but it passes. However, I know I have a breaking point. My video and empathy/sympathy in this video is for those who have finally been pushed to far and a selfish hope they will leave their channels up so we can keep watching, even if they step away.
@@ModelTrainOutsider yes agreed, but for those we are talking about is the glass half full or half empty? or better said if out of 10 people, 8 like it and 2 do not, does that mean that the 2 has more power than the rest...well sometimes they do ... cause they see the glass half empty !? ... Right we can get made about it, but people have to have a thick skin, like Eric, or else sooner or later they will crack ... under the pressure of being a "public person" ... a solution for them disable the comments ... a simple click ... the thumb down is something that yt should remove ... but ... well ... as a friend of them, you do the best you can ... but even that can sometimes be not enough if they "only" look at the glass half empty ... and Hell even I look sometimes at the glass half empty ... but I stopped to GAF ... probably that comes with age or Alzheimer or some shit that I had to drink or eat ... but who cares ... I am still having fun the way I am and so should have them, cause they more important than these dislikes.for some assholes ... Luma
@@LumaMoba I don't think the optimist/pessimist works. Obviously, some people have different strengths and can tolerate different levels of pain. Emotion is no different. All full glasses started empty, and many empty glasses were full at one time... many may never have been filled. In the end. it is still odd to see so many coming out at the same time. "There but for the grace of God, go I."
@@ModelTrainOutsider yeah I know what you mean, but that said that also mean that there had to be much more for some time then just a few bad comments or thumbs down ... like I said you help were you can as a friend but you can not solve their point of view ... maybe a break is needed ... or a new start ... like a layout that is "no more fun" anymore ...
@LumaMoba as I mentioned in the video. Also, I am not solving nor trying to solve their views. Merely expressing sympathy and empathy as to why we/they/some feel that way. If what I said also somehow gets a regular person to think about the subtler aspects of their comments or understand why a channel responded less favorably than expected, it is a happy accident. According to one email, that occurred.
Very great topic Anthony. I thank you for talking about depression, it helps to know where not alone in those feelings. As far as youtube your asessment is spot on! I never expected to reach the point i have. I appreciate it, but nothing will top the friendships Ive made, and grew outside youtube as well. But on negative comments unfortunately, there will always people that feel the need to spread their unhappiness. Great video Anthony!
In the final summation, this video was sympathy and empathy for several channels who have gone on hiatus or completely shut down because of the rise in toxic comments and viewer demands. Some also feel the pressure of having to keep creating new content to keep their viewers happy. My issues do give me problems, but my livestream keeps me rooted... it is what I really needed on YT and in my life, and from there I gained confidence to post my parody songs and Matt Clarke stuff and not care who watches or how many views. Most of us are grateful for friends. Some channels grow quickly. They want to be friends with all their viewers, but viewers start making intense demands and get shirty when your videos are not what they think they should be.
@@ModelTrainOutsider yes that is the terrible downside in the growth of a channel. Yes its terrible to see many channels go, some that I really enjoyed too. But i also understand how the negativity can get to a point thats overwhelming. You touched one big thing and thats the word Entitlement. Its a huge problem in the Railfanning community. Everyone deserves to enjoy this hobby in whatever capacity they choose with out others telling them what to do. I appreciate this video.
I thought my cheerio's tasted strange this morning!
Those weren't choco chips in there, eh?
@@ModelTrainOutsider Not unless Blondie has improved her aim...EEEEK!
Excelente saludos desde Costa Rica
Ola
at least we can skip the ads after 5 seconds. If I want to see ads I turn on the tv. I am on you tube to make friends in the model railroad community. So far I have found many friends and even met them in person. But I must say burn out is possible in any community. Lucky for me is I dont let the negative comments bother me to much. Thanks for all you do Anthony
Well, this video, despite talking about myself, was in defense of some channels (much bigger than me) who have taken a lot of negatives. Most folks do not let negative comments get to them, but some comments or the build-up of them can be devastating. The demands on some of them get ridiculous. I take guff, but I am a small channel... had I taken as much as Allan or Graham, for example, maybe I would leave, too.
Might need more than 125 subs if I want to retire haha hope you and Joyce are well my friend ❤️
well, I had to retire to... oh well, nevermind. I am just sorry to see some good channels feeling torn down by negative folks on TH-cam.
Agree with you 💯%. Bill from California
Just so many channels have all broken down int he last couple weeks. Some others have ranted about it. Seeing some friends' channels suddenly feeling the need to shut down cuts me more than any negative comments on my channel.
hello Anthony very interesting take on all off this i have learned one valuable lesson with all this, like your friend i have Richards videos and am so glad as i can still hear him from time to time which is a great comfort so i just block and move on and that's the way i do things now and i now know there are more good eggs than bad eggs in the you tube basket 😊😊 life is to short
to be negative and bitter 😊😊🚂🚂👌👌
It is a gift to be able to choose so many channels and videos and find what we like, but some act like spoiled children who come to a video that did not appease them and they feel the need to be negative for all the BS reasons. I tend to just ignore or delete unwelcomed comments, but sometimes, it catches me on the wrong side. I will reply viciously, if needed, to let this person know they messed with the wrong person. I do not mind a little verbal slit fight, because I will win it. And, if does not good to the world, but makes me feel better to let it off. I just feel angrier when someone else finally gets too frustrated and needs to quit or wants to quit when they do not deserve to be made to feel that way. Hey, some channels can be obnoxious and invite comments and criticism, but most are just trying to share a love and hope folks appreciate it. If folks don't appreciate it, they should move on and not be such jerks. I feel bad for them.
@@ModelTrainOutsider 🤗👍
hello anthony love jou video. nice woordts .gr ian
I hate seeing friends made to feel bad.
Anthony. Your channel is an integral of the community. Your choice of trains make you the outsider. But interesting. But not as much as dying on my DC hill😂 If your channel has accomplished anything. I'm able to banter humor semi weekly to Mark @modelrailwayfantasia. Only with your channel connection would of that have been possible. Thanks
Ya TH-cam. Start making it rain with my 395 subs😅 Have fun.
I don't know if any channel is an integral part of the community, but there are so many nice channels suddenly shutting down because of toxic comments and demands from folks who come on to YT and expect every channel to be what they want and not what it is. I talked too much about myself, but it was for those channels I posted the rant... I talked about my experiences to show I understand what they must be feeling... many of these channels are a lot bigger than me, so the crap they take must be immense. Thank you for the kind words!
Excellent analysis 👏 👏👏 you should 'rant" more often 😇 Very best wishes from the Emerald Isle ☘️
Thank you. I am not happy to put it out, but I am feeling bad and angry for a lot of good channels that viewership has just gotten too ridiculous in what they demand or feel free to say. It is one thing if a channel is a pro and their goal is to put themselves out there, but folks like Graham, Allan, and others, are just folks sharing their hobby and they get petty complaints and entitled folks who whinge and whine about something they did not like in a video.
The thumbs down you got for your grandsons video 😪 is just symptomatic of the "entitled" nature of some of these people 😝 that 👎is just a licence to ill and has no place in a "social" media 👍 and they do hurt 😳